**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 12 02:59:57 2007
Dec 12 08:08:27 <davidw> 'morning
Dec 12 08:19:06 <mypapit> morning davidw
Dec 12 08:21:06 <Kraln> morning
Dec 12 08:21:11 <Kraln> 3:23 in the morning to be exact
Dec 12 09:00:00 <guardian> morning
Dec 12 10:55:56 <alejandro> someone wants to participate in the next Umeet (celebrated as always in IRC) talking about Android ?
Dec 12 10:56:40 <Lede> when i google for Umeet i get "uMeet.net Greek Adult Dating Community"
Dec 12 10:56:46 <guardian> :D
Dec 12 10:56:54 <alejandro> Lede: Umeet = Unix meeting
Dec 12 10:57:01 <alejandro> Lede: http://umeet.uninet.edu
Dec 12 10:57:04 <Lede> ok :)
Dec 12 10:57:12 <alejandro> it's celebrated for 7 years ago
Dec 12 10:57:36 <guardian> what's the point ?
Dec 12 10:57:40 <guardian> celebrating what ?
Dec 12 10:58:16 <alejandro> if you look before editions, you can see several developer from around the globe talking about open technologies (linux kernel, desktop, security, etc)
Dec 12 10:58:30 <alejandro> I think it would be interesting introduce Android this year in the 2007 edition.
Dec 12 10:58:52 <guardian> more buzz without concrete stuff don't you think ? :)
Dec 12 10:58:56 <davidw> it's an 'irc conference' ?
Dec 12 10:59:00 <alejandro> davidw: yes
Dec 12 10:59:12 <davidw> that sounds... tedious, if you don't mind me being a bit direct
Dec 12 10:59:56 * davidw would be much happier to be given some travel money and fly to a warm locale to speak about Hecl on Android:-)
Dec 12 11:01:51 <alejandro> hecl sounds an interesting topic to talk about :-)
Dec 12 11:03:57 <davidw> it is... I gave a talk on it at OSCON  last year
Dec 12 14:22:05 <Lede> does anyone if it's even possible to addSubMenu() to a SubMenu? if i do it now i just get a error saying it isn't possible :)
Dec 12 14:28:17 <Lede> ill just use add sub menus to the main one
Dec 12 14:36:47 <absentia> I thought I read somewhere that menus could only go one level deep (in a sub menu)
Dec 12 14:36:53 <absentia> ie: 1 menu, then 1 level of submenu
Dec 12 14:36:57 <absentia> but don't quote me.
Dec 12 14:37:28 * Zer0Her0 quotes absentia 
Dec 12 14:37:40 <absentia> NoooOooOooooo! don't do it!
Dec 12 14:37:49 * Lede quotes Zer0Her0
Dec 12 14:37:49 <Zer0Her0> oohh
Dec 12 14:37:51 <Zer0Her0> oops
Dec 12 14:37:52 <Zer0Her0> crap
Dec 12 14:37:55 <Lede> it spreads!
Dec 12 14:38:04 <Zer0Her0> ;)
Dec 12 14:44:28 <mmealling> (the likelihood of anyone being awake is slim but, oh well, I'll ask it anyway)
Dec 12 14:45:26 <absentia> yes i am awake.
Dec 12 14:45:35 <absentia> you have another question? well, that's pushin' it a little, don't you think?
Dec 12 14:45:46 <mmealling> if you had a carrier that had completely converged its infrastructure so that you could easily combine video, voice (fixed, mobile and VOIP), and data seemlessly, what kidn of app and or capability would you like to see?
Dec 12 14:46:29 <absentia> no ideas. sorry.
Dec 12 14:49:13 <mmealling> thanks, though! I'm just seeing if anyone here had a particularly bad "itch" they wanted scratched.
Dec 12 14:58:48 <Lede> mmealling: if you want a idea, one possible thing that could be done is a mobile conference program with video/audio
Dec 12 15:02:39 <mmealling> Lede, right.... we have that as a basic capability but I'm kind of looking for the app idea that would require that capability.
Dec 12 15:03:13 <mmealling> its easy for telco tech guys to come up with ways to combine services but its hard for them to figure out why a non-bell head would want to actually use that.
Dec 12 15:05:48 <Lede> currently the only thing using live audio/video on PC are programs like MSN
Dec 12 15:06:10 <Lede> maybe there isn't any other use for it :p
Dec 12 15:06:43 <mmealling> Lede, porn.... there's always porn.....
Dec 12 15:29:18 <Zer0Her0> mmealling: you know what would be nice for conferencing? combining a scheduling app or similiar
Dec 12 15:29:44 <Zer0Her0> having had to do a few teleconference and video conferences with people in different areas and times zones is a royal pain.
Dec 12 15:39:44 <Dralspire> So, what's new in Android land?
Dec 12 15:39:56 <Lede> not much
Dec 12 15:40:31 <Lede> morrildl spoke of some Android tour in north america though
Dec 12 15:40:52 <Dralspire> Yay ROAD TRIP!! :D
Dec 12 15:42:19 <Lede> :)
Dec 12 15:54:21 <Dralspire> I can see it now, Android Party in Las Vegas :D
Dec 12 16:15:04 <Stephmw> For anyone in the london area on the evening of the 20th http://services.google.com/events/android_hacknight
Dec 12 17:43:58 <DanFrederiksen> what show?
Dec 12 17:44:11 <DanFrederiksen> what's this channel about
Dec 12 17:46:18 <Lede> DanFrederiksen: google android
Dec 12 17:48:03 <DanFrederiksen> I know what the word means
Dec 12 17:48:10 <DanFrederiksen> so try again
Dec 12 17:48:42 <davidw> ahahahahah
Dec 12 17:48:47 <davidw> who's on first?
Dec 12 17:48:55 <davidw> DanFrederiksen, it's about Google's Android
Dec 12 17:49:16 <DanFrederiksen> didn't know they had one :)
Dec 12 17:49:31 <davidw> well, "Google Android"... it's not a command:-)
Dec 12 17:50:01 <DanFrederiksen> someone making androids should know the very biased ambiguity of saying that
Dec 12 17:52:05 <DanFrederiksen> or an OS for that matter
Dec 12 17:52:22 <DanFrederiksen> is google android an os for mobiles?
Dec 12 17:52:40 <Dralspire> I think that's a fair description.
Dec 12 17:53:19 <DanFrederiksen> how about an OS for PCs instead
Dec 12 17:53:25 <DanFrederiksen> now that would be interesting
Dec 12 17:54:47 <Dralspire> Well, the question is whether in 5-10 years the dominance of the PC will continue, or if rather the drop in hardware costs causes hardware to grow into other equipment (clothes, handhelds, multifunctional cell phones)
Dec 12 18:09:11 * benley wants a pair of pants that run Android
Dec 12 18:09:50 <Dralspire> Oh gee, is that heading for an Airplane! type joke like "Talk into the mouthpiece?"
Dec 12 18:36:31 <Stephmw> Yeggstry: http://services.google.com/events/android_hacknight
Dec 12 18:36:38 <Stephmw> Yeggstry: next thursday eve
Dec 12 18:37:06 <Yeggstry> oooh
Dec 12 18:37:08 <Yeggstry> very nice, thanks
Dec 12 18:37:55 <Yeggstry> I can bring in my prototype image carousel to show off :)
Dec 12 18:38:14 <Yeggstry> ah, starts at 6 tho :/
Dec 12 18:39:02 <Stephmw> yeah, it'd have to be an afternoon off for you... or arrive very late
Dec 12 18:39:50 <Yeggstry> I may be able to wing it at work
Dec 12 18:39:56 <Yeggstry> will you be going? :)
Dec 12 18:40:25 <Stephmw> no lappy alas, so.... undecided
Dec 12 18:40:29 <Yeggstry> :/
Dec 12 18:40:44 <Yeggstry> the lappy I have is a fairly crap one, but it runs android
Dec 12 18:40:56 <Dralspire> Just get a couple of those 100$ lappies :P
Dec 12 18:41:16 <Stephmw> yeah... I'd love trying to run Eclipse on there :D
Dec 12 18:41:28 <Lede> on 64MB RAM
Dec 12 18:41:31 <Lede> :>
Dec 12 18:42:42 <Lede> Stephmw: is that a official google event?
Dec 12 18:42:55 <Yeggstry> I managed to swipe some more RAM for the laptop, so I've got 768Mb, but the processor is crap :/
Dec 12 18:43:03 <Lede> Stephmw: will there be any in the Netherlands?
Dec 12 18:44:03 <Stephmw> Lede: no idea, I don't work there ;)
Dec 12 18:44:20 <Stephmw> Lede: 'official' well, it's hosted by them
Dec 12 18:44:58 <Lede> bleh, when companies have offices over here they are almost always only for sales/marketing
Dec 12 18:46:34 <Yeggstry> luckily I'm on the right side of london so I can get there in 70 mins
Dec 12 18:48:41 <Yeggstry> signed up :)
Dec 12 18:48:57 <Yeggstry> thanks Stephmw
Dec 12 18:52:50 <Stephmw> no prob :)
Dec 12 19:01:23 <Lede> "right side" and 70 minutes, the bad side must be really bad
Dec 12 19:16:41 <absentia> w00t
Dec 12 19:17:24 <Yeggstry> Lede I live in Bracknell Berks :P
Dec 12 19:18:57 * Lede looks up where that is
Dec 12 19:19:12 <jasta> yaw
Dec 12 19:19:53 <Lede> Yeggstry: not really close :P
Dec 12 19:20:01 <jasta> n
Dec 12 19:20:02 <jasta> :)
Dec 12 19:20:13 <Yeggstry> no, but I really want to go to this :P
Dec 12 19:20:26 <Stephmw> Yeggstry: the pizza's worth it
Dec 12 19:20:32 <Yeggstry> cool :)
Dec 12 19:21:22 <Lede> hm.. if i leave today by foot and swim from Rotterdam to the UK i should be there in time
Dec 12 19:21:41 <Yeggstry> chop chop then :)
Dec 12 19:24:07 <Yeggstry> brb, windows is bitching :/
Dec 13 01:37:37 <evenix> hi all
Dec 13 01:38:29 <jasta> hellow
Dec 13 01:38:33 <jasta> err, hello*
Dec 13 01:38:56 <evenix> hm I was wondering.. this chanel is about what
Dec 13 01:39:14 <benley> robots.
Dec 13 01:39:18 <benley> robots with guns.
Dec 13 01:39:26 <benley> (also, opensource cellphone platforms)
Dec 13 01:39:38 <jasta> with guns
Dec 13 01:39:41 <evenix> hmm so most people here are in mechanical engeenering ?
Dec 13 01:39:50 <evenix> lol why u incist on 'guns' ?
Dec 13 01:39:55 <jasta> evenix: No, very few are.  Most people here are software engineers.
Dec 13 01:40:07 <evenix> oh ok
Dec 13 01:40:10 <evenix> interesting
Dec 13 01:40:45 <evenix> I'm interested by RObotical engeenering
Dec 13 01:40:51 <jasta> with guns?
Dec 13 01:41:18 <evenix> no
Dec 13 01:41:27 <jasta> evenix: This channel is dedicated to a specific software platform that Google (and others) has produced.  It is not a generic channel about Android robots.
Dec 13 01:41:31 <jasta> So, you're in the wrong place.
Dec 13 01:41:47 <evenix> ok
Dec 13 01:42:21 <evenix> which software ?
Dec 13 01:42:36 <jasta> Android.
Dec 13 01:43:26 <d03boy> anyone to blackberry development?
Dec 13 01:45:19 <jasta> No, I suppose not :)
Dec 13 01:45:35 <d03boy> appaerntly nobody on the internet has.. according to google
Dec 13 01:45:44 <d03boy> i figured this was my second best shot :)
Dec 13 01:45:54 <jasta> It's probably not an especially wide community.  I don't even know what their platform looks like at all.
Dec 13 01:46:15 <d03boy> just look at the inside of your toilet after eating a chipotle burrito
Dec 13 01:46:20 <d03boy> its very similar to that
Dec 13 01:47:05 <benley> sounds like symbian
Dec 13 01:47:20 <d03boy> if anyone knows though.. im really deperate for help
Dec 13 01:47:22 <jasta> and windows mobile.
Dec 13 01:47:25 <jasta> ;)
Dec 13 02:50:00 * BenDD wants to become a professional Android developer... anyone hiring? :-)
Dec 13 02:50:26 <benley> I hear google is hiring
Dec 13 02:55:15 <duey> heh
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