**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 17 02:59:57 2007 Dec 17 15:23:13 Oh god, winter in Florida and less than 20°C, 70°F ... shiver, shiver Dec 17 15:50:55 Dralspire, no mountains though... I would love those temperatures, but not without something in the way of topography Dec 17 15:52:20 my house is higher than the entire state of florida Dec 17 15:59:52 Hehe are you living in a tower? :P Dec 17 16:03:04 no... Innsbruck is at something like 500 meters above sea level Dec 17 16:03:30 Ah Austria :-) Dec 17 16:46:33 what a weekend Dec 17 16:47:03 took friday off work and went snowboarding after 9" dumped the night before Dec 17 16:47:19 then Saturday went out in the middle of nowhere in the mountains and camped overnight Dec 17 16:47:41 we all got curious what this flashing light was way off on the other side of the lake so we hiked our asses 2 1/2 miles in the snow to find out Dec 17 16:48:39 saw a coyote when we got there too :) Dec 17 16:48:57 jasta: aliens? Dec 17 16:49:09 turned out to be a dam for the two connected lakes Dec 17 16:49:48 so we hung out there, did random juvenille things, then hiked all the way back. it was pretty fun though Dec 17 16:50:01 juvenile*( Dec 17 16:50:08 i'm sore though. really sore. Dec 17 16:50:32 brrrrr Dec 17 16:50:34 in the morning, we woke up to our tent nearly blowing away from 30mph winds with us still in it Dec 17 16:50:39 temp dropped to 28 Dec 17 16:50:55 snow camping is chilly Dec 17 16:51:17 we're going back to this spot in a couple of months and renting snow mobiles and ditching our cars ;) Dec 17 16:51:23 i've found snow camping warm actually as the snow reflects the heat, but maybe i'm just hallucinating from the col... Dec 17 16:51:35 actually, in a month or so, cars won't be an option. that area should be getting another foot and a half of snow Dec 17 16:51:39 supposed to be -5 (23F) right here now Dec 17 16:51:53 jasta, whereabouts? Dec 17 16:52:04 a place called Lake Kachess near Easton, WA. Dec 17 16:52:11 it's about 1h45m away from Seattle, WA. Dec 17 16:52:37 my brother and i have been getting into snow camping this past couple of years. it's great. Dec 17 16:52:51 this last time we had 8 people going, probably can get a few more for the snowmobile trip Dec 17 16:53:16 must have lots of warm gear Dec 17 16:53:23 I can't imagine being outside in this weather here Dec 17 16:53:26 i know it sounds stupid, but it is really cool to pour a little bit of white fuel on the snow and light it on fire. you'll be amazed what it looks like :) Dec 17 16:53:42 I can see why the romans kind of just passed through here without really trying to settle down Dec 17 16:53:52 the fire is only blue, and it kind of dances around like electricity. Dec 17 16:54:11 plus, you can actually pick it up and throw fireballs Dec 17 16:54:22 it isn't hot at all. it's the strangest thing. Dec 17 16:54:41 anyway, i gotta get ready for work Dec 17 16:57:12 davidw: you do need warm gear, but we sort of cheated too. we stashed a whole bunch of wood at the site in the fall. so all we had to do was just go dig it up and burn it Dec 17 16:57:15 we had a fire from 4pm to 2am. Dec 17 17:35:30 sigh, at work now Dec 17 17:35:53 that much fun, eh? Dec 17 18:00:31 davidw: yeah, well, my job got a whole lot less interesting these past few months :( Dec 17 18:00:47 whachya do? Dec 17 18:02:36 kind of a hybrid between custom business application development and server/network management Dec 17 18:03:20 i originally got hired on for the former, but took on the latter when it became apparent i could do that job in just a few hours a week really :) Dec 17 18:03:57 mostly Linux servers, and a somewhat interesting network so I don't mind too much. Dec 17 18:04:11 we have 4 offices, all remotely interconnected with some cleverly managed services and replication Dec 17 23:24:55 lol Dec 17 23:31:46 hmm Dec 17 23:51:40 ohhhhhh crap Dec 17 23:52:26 it seems SocketChannel isn't implemented for nio in the apache.harmony libraries included Dec 17 23:52:40 bah i did all that work for probably nothing Dec 17 23:53:05 everything looks good until yu run it and get an UnsatisfiedLinkError: createSocketImpl Dec 17 23:53:51 yeah, from the mailing list, the harmony dumpy they took isn't very fresh Dec 17 23:53:56 *dump Dec 17 23:54:15 yeah i found a posting on it too.. now its too late lol Dec 17 23:54:49 i'm gonna wait for a googler and see if their gonna include a newer verison in a later sdk, if they are i'll patch my libraries here and carry on Dec 17 23:54:57 cos i really wanted to use nio for this.. Dec 17 23:55:21 what are you doing? Dec 17 23:55:32 multi network irc and im client Dec 17 23:55:44 just working on the irc components for now Dec 17 23:56:53 i only switched to nio after i found a little snag in interrupting blocking io calls in dalvick Dec 18 00:12:01 ? Dec 18 00:12:38 I have on question. Why google select openbinder for ipc mechanism? Dec 18 00:12:53 (without d-bus for ipc) Dec 18 00:20:16 invain: it is lighter weight, presumably. Dec 18 00:21:10 Umm. Because openbinder Just is lighter weight than d-bus??? Dec 18 00:22:08 presumably. Dec 18 00:22:52 Why do you think that openbidner is lighter weight that d-bus ? Can you tell me your opinion in detail? Dec 18 00:22:53 Also, it's likely that the engineers working on Android had existing familiarity with the system, since many of them worked at Palm which did some OpenBinder dev. Dec 18 00:23:12 invain: No, because I said presumably, not precisely. Dec 18 00:23:42 Ok... Um.. Dec 18 00:24:42 For reference, openbinder is already developed by beos team. and palm compnay & access(ALP) used this openbinder. Dec 18 00:25:49 invain: Then I suppose you already know your answer, don't you? Dec 18 00:26:50 But, Because current embedded's Middleware(ex: gtk based ...) is complexed, I think that d-bus is better than openbinder for ipc mechanism in embedded env like mobile. Dec 18 00:27:06 How about ? Dec 18 00:27:45 I don't understand you. Dec 18 00:29:06 yepp. In fact, I cann't understand that google select openbinder without d-bus. I wanna know exact reason that google select openbinder. Dec 18 00:29:09 invain: d-bus is fine for simple desktop messaging but it's not at all lightweight when it comes to resources Dec 18 00:30:41 aha, So google not selected gtk based X11?? Dec 18 00:31:09 because of lightweight problem. Dec 18 00:31:17 It is correct? Dec 18 00:31:44 Doesn't that seem obvious? Dec 18 00:32:56 yepp. because most of the mobile linux platform select gtk based x11 for mobile soultion. Dec 18 00:33:04 Android's UI is custom, written by Google and friends, running atop Linux's framebuffer. Dec 18 00:33:19 for example.... maemo , moblin, access(ALP) , etc Dec 18 00:33:22 Your assumptions have gotten you into trouble, I think. Dec 18 00:35:53 I can understand google's openbinder thank to you. Thank you for your detail answer. I am working in samsung electronics. Dec 18 00:37:00 Sure, OK. Dec 18 00:37:03 Recently, android select openbinder for ipc, So I wonder about reason that google team select openbinder. Dec 18 00:37:17 invain: You're stuck on repeat, I think. Dec 18 00:37:29 sorry.. ^^ Dec 18 00:38:25 One more , What do you think ipc mechanism for mobiled environments ? Dec 18 00:38:30 openbinder? Dec 18 00:38:54 ipc program that made in manual ? Dec 18 00:39:35 You really don't make sense to me. I'm just going to give up :) Dec 18 00:39:54 See ya'll when I get home from work. Outta here :) Dec 18 01:13:41 man, this channel is so quiet :) Dec 18 02:04:40 can you achieve the same effect of -noskin while actually specifying a screen size? Dec 18 02:04:51 i want the screen to be HVGA-P, but i don't want all that cruft around it. Dec 18 02:05:36 yes Dec 18 02:05:41 use -skin hvga-p Dec 18 02:05:43 (lower case) Dec 18 02:05:59 won't that leave all the cruft around it? Dec 18 02:06:05 no Dec 18 02:06:08 HVGA-P will Dec 18 02:07:17 hmm, i guess i'm not following. emulator -noskin -skin hvga-p is the same screen size as qvga-l? Dec 18 02:07:46 don't use -noskin Dec 18 02:08:07 oh, i see. that is extremely counter-intuitive. :) Dec 18 02:08:35 the lower-case writing is what causes that? oh boy. Dec 18 02:10:55 jasta: I made my own "skin" to do that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 18 02:59:56 2007