**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 20 02:59:57 2007 Dec 20 06:56:30 hi ! is it about mobile phones here ? Dec 20 06:59:05 anyone know how can i find Nokia E51 Wlan MAC address to be able to add it to a router allow list ? Dec 20 07:03:36 ace_me: you're in the wrong channel. Dec 20 07:04:25 what's about here jasta than ? Dec 20 07:04:37 the android cell phone platform. Dec 20 08:26:33 tiiirreed Dec 20 08:26:54 just 2 more days of work until break, yay. Dec 20 08:29:00 morning Dec 20 08:29:10 mornin Dec 20 08:29:20 but it's only midnight here. Dec 20 08:29:30 ah ok:) Dec 20 08:29:36 here then sun rises Dec 20 08:29:57 i'll be getting to bed soon. girlfriend's supposed to make me breakfast in the morning so i'll have no problem getting up :) Dec 20 08:30:14 'morning Dec 20 08:33:07 in fact, i think i'll go now. just wrapping up a rewrite of my RSS feed parser. Dec 20 08:33:16 jasta, tell her i need breakfast too Dec 20 08:33:21 decided to get my feet wet with some robust SAX parsing to get used to the android way. Dec 20 09:39:47 hi! do you know how to get phone type as a string i.e. "Mobile", "Home" instead of integer? Phones.TYPE returns integer only Dec 20 13:23:44 this provider stuff is kind of confusing Dec 20 15:44:18 bye all Dec 20 15:44:20 nice holidays Dec 20 15:44:23 bye Dec 20 15:45:04 bye bye Dec 20 15:45:09 doh missed him Dec 20 15:45:14 or her possibly Dec 20 15:51:10 damn... I declare this provider business to be a mess. Dec 20 15:55:10 i'm admit i'm still trying to get the hang of it Dec 20 15:56:10 urls and sql and handles oh my Dec 20 15:56:32 i have some problems with my r.java it shows errors all other files are error free and no i havent modified it. Dec 20 15:56:42 I'm looking over the notepad code and it's... well, it's kind of spaghettiish how things go in one wormhole and come out another Dec 20 16:39:18 sorry i was disconnected... has someone an idea why the r.java shows errors ... it wasnt modified by me .. all other files or ok Dec 20 16:43:54 what sort of errors are you seeing? Dec 20 16:53:43 lol.. good question ... eclipse says that i should delete the class block... but nevermind ... the programm was just a test and i deleted it ... maybe it was just a bug ... because ive renamed an xml file in the layout folder from TableTest.xml to tabletest.xml Dec 20 19:54:56 i wonder if this is set on purpose? cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory -> 1 Dec 20 20:06:50 anyone know if android has optional wifi support? Dec 20 20:10:19 jerkface03: didn't notice anything in the emulator, but there's not a lot you can setup there now. I presume that hardware can have wifi, but there will need to be setup apps written. Dec 20 20:11:12 I don't even see a place in the emulator to setup user/password/asn etc info for data connections. That info will be different from carrier to carrier. Dec 20 20:11:26 aye. Dec 20 20:11:31 k Dec 20 20:11:31 thx Dec 20 20:19:05 hmm Dec 20 20:19:14 i get the feeling som sample code is missing from http://code.google.com/android/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/google/android/samples/view/TableLayout10.html ? Dec 20 20:41:21 hah, this thread on android beginners is funny Dec 20 20:41:30 http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners/browse_thread/thread/f7fa261b6ad647a5 Dec 20 20:42:29 hi Dec 20 20:42:49 is there any phone that could work with Android currently ? Dec 20 20:43:54 key2: no, nothing public Dec 20 20:44:11 can't we put that in the topic or something? Dec 20 20:44:23 davidw: as if people read it :) Dec 20 20:46:36 haha Dec 20 20:50:30 scrollview can only scroll vertically? really? Dec 20 20:51:16 Stephmw: what about the phone on the demo ? Dec 20 20:52:47 key2: that's all they've shown anyone Dec 20 20:53:01 key2: like I said, nothing els public Dec 20 20:53:11 Stephmw: yeah but this phone is not something famous ? Dec 20 20:53:19 key2: Google is keeping its kimono firmly closed for now Dec 20 20:53:33 key2: Doesn't look like anything else on the market Dec 20 20:57:11 Stephmw: has someone successfully uncompressed the image files ? Dec 20 20:57:31 Stephmw: if so, it wont be hard to reproduce a phone that would let android run on it Dec 20 21:00:35 key2: catch up on the mailing list, uncompressing is easy enough... but Google have gone nonstandard in many places so running elsewhere has failed. Dec 20 21:01:54 isn't there a PDA that people have gotten it to run on in a limited fashion? Dec 20 21:05:22 can google attack us if we make it run on our own designed phone ? Dec 20 21:06:51 key2: why would they? and in any case... why would you be concerned if it's supposed to be open sourced one day? Dec 20 21:06:52 they will get out the trebeuchet Dec 20 21:09:05 this "early look" is released under more restrctive terms, scanning over it it says this Dec 20 21:09:08 "Until the SDK is released under an open source license, you may not extract the source code or create a derivative work of the SDK. Nothing in this provision is intended to prevent you from performing the ordinary activities of application development including, but not limited to, debugging, logging, and profiling." Dec 20 21:09:27 but all in all, i think google would encourage you to do that really Dec 20 21:09:47 certainly when its released under apache license you can do whatever yuo please Dec 20 21:10:05 and no ones from google has said anything when people have talked about it in here Dec 20 21:10:47 plus if you dont modify it but run it on a phone of your own, you havent created a derivative work anyway Dec 20 21:10:57 so i guess everything i said here is useless :P Dec 20 21:11:31 that's deep cybereagle Dec 20 21:11:32 ;) Dec 20 21:17:24 yawn Dec 20 21:18:00 hi Dec 20 21:18:28 holy crap quick pull the plug, Android has become sentient Dec 20 21:19:10 lol Dec 20 21:19:35 thank goodness.... Dec 20 21:19:38 guess it IS still in beta ;) Dec 20 21:26:42 i just watched a short android demo on youtube and realized that's morrildl Dec 20 21:27:55 yup lol Dec 20 21:28:35 which one? Dec 20 21:28:44 the quirky one with the fro or the old guy with the glasses? Dec 20 21:28:45 http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ObTqIiYfE Dec 20 21:28:48 YouTube - A first hand look at building an Android application Dec 20 21:28:58 o wait, different video Dec 20 21:29:04 Peter Griffin!! Dec 20 21:29:08 i'm trying to figure out if he's running as root here =) Dec 20 21:37:21 i don't suppose you can do an async operation on a content provider? Dec 20 21:46:28 yeah he does look a bit like peter griffin at the start of that vid lol Dec 20 21:49:45 i wish google would open an office in dallas Dec 20 21:50:23 my building is adjacent to the google radio building, but i think they are all sales people.. =/ Dec 20 23:12:46 i'm curious what actually went down at google's android event. Dec 20 23:26:00 http://www.clubgphone.com/2007/12/17/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild/ Dec 20 23:26:02 mmm, sexy :) Dec 20 23:35:04 i think i'm gonna work on a game over the holiday break Dec 20 23:35:27 a solitaire suite, or something Dec 20 23:37:29 i really wanted to make a special variation of tetrinet for Android, but i fear that paradigm will not fit well on a slow radio and limited screen size. Dec 20 23:37:37 but if i could find a way, that would be excellent :) Dec 21 00:31:35 well, that was an informative hack at google :) Dec 21 00:40:27 Yeggstry: ? Dec 21 00:41:53 google hack night :) Dec 21 00:42:19 was nice to meet some of the other guys looking at it, and to meet some of the googlers Dec 21 00:43:14 the understanding behind activities, intents etc. is a lot better now I've seen a proper working example Dec 21 00:44:27 did they have any handsets to look at? Dec 21 00:44:51 no, they are a long way off atm Dec 21 00:45:31 why, did they leave them at home? :) Dec 21 00:45:35 dick (wall) said there isn't much to see that we haven't seen already, the emulator emulates the actual phone accurately Dec 21 00:45:40 no :P Dec 21 00:46:00 unless we're all being duped, Google has prototype handsets. i had assumed at least they woudl let us tinker with one of those Dec 21 00:46:28 nope, but there are some plans Dec 21 00:46:37 to let us tinker Dec 21 00:46:48 well, more a case of two plus two equals a hundred :P Dec 21 00:46:56 what? Dec 21 00:47:40 reading between the lines, they may have things like prototype for the competition winners, labs where we can use the phones etc. Dec 21 00:48:11 that would be great. but i wouldn't expect that. Dec 21 00:48:30 what would you expect? Dec 21 00:48:34 not that. Dec 21 00:48:38 :) Dec 21 00:48:40 :P Dec 21 00:49:29 they'd only give access to the prototypes to people who were serious in doing stuff for android anyway Dec 21 00:49:41 that would be me, however. Dec 21 00:49:56 true :P Dec 21 00:50:16 btw, does your rss feed app run as a service? Dec 21 00:50:46 no, but that is currently by design. Dec 21 00:51:09 the service code is present, but it is off because i am irritated by aidl limitations. Dec 21 00:51:19 specifically, see: Dec 21 00:51:21 oh :/ Dec 21 00:51:48 http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/378ce5eea6ffaee7# Dec 21 00:52:20 in many cases in my app i simply dead-ended ideal code paths as a result of Android bugs or shortcomings that I anticipate will some day go away. Dec 21 00:52:33 I'm not that interested in spending hours and hours finding work arounds to bugs that aren't likely to exist for long. Dec 21 00:52:40 yup, they are moving towards version 1 Dec 21 00:53:05 if in a few months it does not look like my complainst are being addressed, then perhaps i will bother to explore work-arounds. Dec 21 00:53:24 also consider that the internal build is several ahead of our build :) Dec 21 00:54:13 that actually makes me a bit irritated. Dec 21 00:54:20 (but i had assumed it to be true already) Dec 21 00:54:56 I've been loaning Google a bit of good faith credit this past month, and leading into the next one. I can't guarantee their line of credit will extend beyond that, however. Dec 21 00:54:59 i would probably expect a new build mid jan Dec 21 00:56:15 when do we expect source code? Dec 21 00:56:30 no idea yet Dec 21 00:56:35 because feb, mar, may, and jun are what i'd call too late. Dec 21 00:57:07 i must admit they are cutting it fine for us developing meaningful prototypes for march Dec 21 00:57:12 they can't possibly expect we're going to put energy into promoting (with source or otherwise) a platform that hasn't been revealed yet. Dec 21 00:58:19 google engineers would be wise to read the first line of http://code.google.com/hosting. Dec 21 00:58:43 true Dec 21 00:58:52 brb, boss is being annoying Dec 21 00:58:58 anyways, I'm off for sleep, its 1am here and I have to work tomorrow :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 21 02:59:56 2007