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Jan 01 09:47:30 <Lede> jasta: i know! i need to continue my internship tomorrow again
Jan 01 09:48:02 <Lede> i still enjoyed my one week off
Jan 01 09:54:55 <Lede> why does the current android UI try to look like the apple OS, even the second wallpaper looks like the default wallpaper for the Leopard desktop, only not purple but green
Jan 01 09:55:03 <Lede> it comes off very ceahp
Jan 01 09:55:06 <Lede> cheap*
Jan 01 09:55:33 <billmeltsner> I don't think it's the finalized UI
Jan 01 09:55:55 <Lede> i really hope so
Jan 01 09:56:16 <swetland> all placeholder stuff. both the appearance and the interaction models are undergoing a ton of work.
Jan 01 09:58:20 <billmeltsner> that's good to hear
Jan 01 09:58:27 <billmeltsner> I like the UI as is but it is sort of... plain
Jan 01 12:15:37 <eugene> is this the google android channel?
Jan 01 12:15:56 <Lede> eugene: yes
Jan 01 12:16:06 <eugene> thanks lede
Jan 01 12:38:29 <xbit> tricky question :p
Jan 01 13:39:31 <Lede> hm
Jan 01 13:39:55 <Lede> when leaving onOptionsItemSelected() it doesnt call onResume() does it?
Jan 01 13:40:22 <Lede> really sad :(
Jan 01 13:43:20 <haavi> why would it?
Jan 01 13:45:29 <Lede> haavi: because i use onResume() to update what is displayed
Jan 01 13:46:32 <Lede> and onPrepareOptionsMenu() gets called before the menu thing shows up so i can't use that either
Jan 01 13:47:33 <haavi> ok yeah
Jan 01 13:47:42 <haavi> what do you need to do exactly?
Jan 01 13:49:47 <Lede> haavi: in the menu i have a list of checks, when i uncheck something i want the changes to take effect, but the check list is pretty big, i could call the update function after every line of "case OPTION_1:" but that looks really clumsy
Jan 01 13:50:57 <Lede> so i'm looking for some method that gets called after the options menu is closed
Jan 01 13:51:34 <Lede> onResume() only works when the whole activiy gets pushed to the background and gets back
Jan 01 13:52:27 <haavi> yeah
Jan 01 13:52:47 <haavi> that's why I asked why would it :)
Jan 01 13:53:06 <haavi> sorry I dunno how to solve your problem
Jan 01 13:53:17 <haavi> I would probably have gone with the clumsy approach :)
Jan 01 17:46:31 <zgold> Is there anyway to pass an arbitrary object to a new activity that you spawn yourself?
Jan 01 17:57:27 <Lede> zgold: you can put data in the Intent using putExtra()
Jan 01 18:21:19 <zgold> Lede: yeah, I could use bundles for marshalling data but I need to pass something more complex :/
Jan 01 18:34:30 <Lede> zgold: i had the same problem, is the data you are trying to move around also stored in a database?
Jan 01 18:36:18 <Lede> if yes, you could use a unique identifier (which is storable in a Intent) to refer to it
Jan 01 18:43:13 <zgold> Lede: I need to move a View :/
Jan 01 18:43:21 <zgold> and a service
Jan 01 18:43:44 <zgold> Is there a unique identifier of a service I could pull out, pass that Id, then rebind given that it in the new activity?
Jan 01 18:51:14 <Lede> zgold: i havn't worked with services, so i have no idea
Jan 01 23:15:00 <zgold> How can one pass information to a new activity your creating?  Any information
Jan 01 23:24:40 <Yeggstry> pass it through the intent
Jan 01 23:24:54 <Yeggstry> i.putExtra("key","value");
Jan 01 23:36:48 <zgold> That doesn't get passed though
Jan 01 23:36:56 <zgold> or if it does, I don't see where.
Jan 01 23:37:24 <zgold> normal IntentRecievers do get the intent iself, but when you spawn an actvity it just triggers onCreate()
Jan 01 23:39:51 <zgold> oh, that little function, getIntent()
Jan 01 23:39:56 <Yeggstry> it does get passed through :)
Jan 01 23:39:57 <Yeggstry> yup
Jan 01 23:40:07 <zgold> Missed that :)
Jan 01 23:40:15 <Yeggstry> :)
Jan 01 23:40:32 <Yeggstry> i've actually only seen it being used, not used it myself before
Jan 01 23:40:43 <Yeggstry> though I did see it being used at google london :)
Jan 01 23:41:32 <zgold> I was just looking at the Notepad demo on how it passes the note to edit, and saw getIntent () =P
Jan 01 23:42:28 <Yeggstry> yup
Jan 01 23:42:41 <Yeggstry> just a warning though, you can only pass through strings atm
Jan 01 23:42:57 <zgold> Yeah, primitivte data
Jan 01 23:43:06 <zgold> I've used it extensively elsewhere =P
Jan 01 23:43:10 <Yeggstry> :)
Jan 01 23:43:52 <zgold> For the most part things are provided pretty well and well designed.  But silly things like getIntent you either have to just know, or be lucky enough to stumble upon
Jan 01 23:44:01 <zgold> I'm not sure why its not passed as an arg to onCreate()
Jan 01 23:44:57 <Yeggstry> the intent itself?
Jan 01 23:46:37 <zgold> yeah
Jan 01 23:46:44 <zgold> its passed to the function for IntentRecievers
Jan 02 00:01:14 <billmeltsner> has anyone written an IRC client for Android yet?
Jan 02 00:01:21 <billmeltsner> a public one anyway
Jan 02 00:01:33 <benley> there are two in progress that I know of
Jan 02 00:01:41 <benley> one being my port of cognet
Jan 02 00:01:45 <benley> the other being a native irc client
Jan 02 00:01:52 <billmeltsner> ah, okay then.
Jan 02 00:02:01 <billmeltsner> I was thinking about trying to write one, but if there are two already in development...
Jan 02 00:02:03 <benley> nothing wrong with having 3 though :)
Jan 02 00:02:25 <billmeltsner> true, but I don't know what I'd bring to the table as far as distinguishing features goes
Jan 02 00:03:04 <benley> "exists and is available" might be a distinguishing feature if you get one released
Jan 02 00:03:09 <billmeltsner> heh.
Jan 02 00:03:31 <billmeltsner> True.
Jan 02 00:04:48 <cybereagle> i think there might be 3 in dev (maybe 4)
Jan 02 00:04:56 <cybereagle> irc clients that is
Jan 02 00:05:40 <benley> I was hoping to spend some real time hacking on android over the last couple of weeks, but then the reality of christmas set in and I spent all my time fixing my family's computers.
Jan 02 00:06:18 <cybereagle> yeah my android dev hasn't happened over christmas either
Jan 02 00:06:26 <billmeltsner> ditto
Jan 02 00:06:38 <billmeltsner> starting college didn't help much either as far as time spent programming goes :P
Jan 02 00:06:48 <benley> heh
Jan 02 00:09:00 <cybereagle> i fell back to a c project strangely
Jan 02 00:09:22 <billmeltsner> I've been working in Lua a lot lately
Jan 02 00:09:22 <cybereagle> waiting for some fixes in the sdk to continue
Jan 02 00:09:30 <billmeltsner> video game related stuff
Jan 02 00:09:45 <billmeltsner> also, I want Bluetooth in the SDK :(
Jan 02 00:11:55 <zgold> I'm writing an aim client if that counts as a pesudo-irc-client-like program :)
Jan 02 00:12:09 <billmeltsner> heh
Jan 02 00:12:22 <billmeltsner> I wouldn't mind an Androidium
Jan 02 00:12:24 <zgold> Theoretically you could plugin an irc protocol plugin just like msn
Jan 02 00:12:29 <billmeltsner> all my chat protocols combined into one
Jan 02 00:12:37 <zgold> thats what im shooting for ish
Jan 02 00:12:52 <billmeltsner> So I can use XMPP, AIM, IRC, MSN, YIM, ICQ, etc. without having to run more than one app
Jan 02 00:12:56 <zgold> although i dont think i could do IRC
Jan 02 00:13:08 <billmeltsner> IRC's a publicly documented RFC
Jan 02 00:13:12 <billmeltsner> 1459 is the main one
Jan 02 00:13:20 <zgold> I'm pretty focused on buddy list and having buddies signon etc.
Jan 02 00:13:26 <billmeltsner> ah.
Jan 02 00:13:38 <cybereagle> yeah thats what i'm shooting for too, multi IM and irc client
Jan 02 00:13:46 <cybereagle> i think theres several in the works lol
Jan 02 00:13:49 <zgold> so msn, yahoo, aim icq would all be OK likely
Jan 02 00:14:06 <zgold> I go back to school in 2 weeks; so if I dont finish by then its unlikely i'll ever :)
Jan 02 00:14:46 <cybereagle> i got a busy schedule for a while, then 'm off to DC for shmoocon, then to canada for a month where hopefully i'll get a lot of spare time to do android stuff (and a few other projects)
Jan 02 00:15:16 <cybereagle> so who knows. its all good fun though lol
Jan 02 00:15:24 <billmeltsner> My original goal was to have a semi-functional prototype done by the time the challenge started
Jan 02 00:15:31 <zgold> yeah really; that my main goal.  It is kinda fun :)
Jan 02 00:15:42 * benley is sad he isn't eligible for the challenge
Jan 02 00:15:56 <zgold> you work @ google?
Jan 02 00:15:58 <billmeltsner> I think it's degraded at this point into "have it pretending to work with lots of pseudocode and comments"
Jan 02 00:16:03 <benley> yeah
Jan 02 00:16:07 <billmeltsner> ouch. that sucks.
Jan 02 00:16:07 <zgold> Envy :)
Jan 02 00:16:16 <billmeltsner> I mean, I'd love to work at Google
Jan 02 00:16:17 <zgold> I want an internship there this summer heh
Jan 02 00:16:20 <billmeltsner> but then no challenge :(
Jan 02 00:16:23 <benley> heh
Jan 02 00:18:29 <cybereagle> i'm focusing on irc for now, would like to get a fairly full featured irc client n time for the challenge, with enough room left for other protocol modules to plug in, but not necessarily completed
Jan 02 00:18:47 <cybereagle> but it may well end up like billmeltsner's hehe
Jan 02 00:19:55 <billmeltsner> heh
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