**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 06 02:59:57 2008
Jan 06 06:00:54 <jasta> woo, the slopes were amazing today :)
Jan 06 06:00:57 <jasta> tons of powder
Jan 06 06:02:14 <billmeltsner> nice, board or ski?
Jan 06 16:51:01 <codev> does anyone know how to get a unique id for the phone?
Jan 06 16:51:06 <codev> like BSSID? or something like that
Jan 06 16:55:43 <Lede> there is some stuff in android.telephony package
Jan 06 16:56:16 <codev> thank you
Jan 06 16:56:38 <Lede> specifically under TelephonyProperties
Jan 06 16:57:27 <codev> this is faster than posting on the google android group :-D
Jan 06 16:57:40 <Lede> yeah :)
Jan 06 16:58:38 <codev> just curious..do you use a maven archetype to create your Android project?
Jan 06 16:58:45 <codev> I was wondering if one existed..or should I make one lol
Jan 06 16:59:44 <Lede> i have no idea what a "maven archetype" is
Jan 06 16:59:58 <codev> oh sorry
Jan 06 17:00:02 <codev> you use maven though?
Jan 06 17:00:36 <Lede> not that i know of .)
Jan 06 17:01:08 <codev> I wonder if this google phone thing will catch on
Jan 06 17:01:16 <codev> it'd be nice to control a phone that you purchase for once =D
Jan 06 17:01:18 <Lede> i just use the IDE and don't bother with anything else
Jan 06 17:01:31 <codev> ahh I see
Jan 06 17:01:36 <codev> I'm not building with IDE, i use emacs
Jan 06 17:42:11 <acsia> has anybody been able to add a kind of onClick on a map overlay?
Jan 06 17:42:30 <acsia> so it would open a view as the web one
Jan 06 17:46:08 <Lede> i havnt
Jan 06 17:46:53 <codev> nope./.i thought it was broken
Jan 06 17:48:59 <acsia> well there are a couple of broken lib
Jan 06 17:49:51 <acsia> I was thinking about adding a click listener which would change for each time the overlay is redraw but it might be a bit to complicated for something that probably will be added to the native libs
Jan 06 17:53:03 <acsia> for instance the media package is broken if you want to access picture
Jan 06 17:53:05 <codev> what projects are you guys working on?
Jan 06 17:54:06 <acsia> do you know EOF?
Jan 06 17:54:11 <acsia> encyclopedia of life?
Jan 06 17:54:34 <codev> yep
Jan 06 17:54:53 <acsia> EOL I meant
Jan 06 17:54:53 <acsia> haha
Jan 06 17:55:05 <acsia> to much computing for
Jan 06 17:55:06 <acsia> me
Jan 06 17:55:08 <codev> it's okay i know what you mean :_D
Jan 06 17:55:10 <codev> no end of file lol
Jan 06 17:55:51 <acsia> well I contacted them but they take quite a while to answer but I wanted to build some kind of geolocated picture
Jan 06 17:56:00 <acsia> so you could take the pic and upload it to EOL
Jan 06 17:56:06 <codev> that'd be sweet man
Jan 06 17:56:28 <acsia> yes, I ve been fighting a bit with android
Jan 06 17:56:49 <acsia> the media package is a bit broken and now I try the map classes
Jan 06 17:57:29 <codev> I think i saw a post about that in the newsgroups
Jan 06 17:57:35 <acsia> what disturb me a bit is the fact that android is in its early stages so I am not sure how much "useless" code I am writing
Jan 06 17:57:51 <codev> at least your looking at it
Jan 06 17:57:52 <acsia> I posted a message when I noticed it
Jan 06 17:57:54 <codev> a lot of people are ignoring it lol
Jan 06 17:58:05 <codev> I honestly thought there would be more developers behind this
Jan 06 17:58:18 <acsia> yes
Jan 06 17:58:35 <acsia> for instance the toFloat of the sqlite is broken
Jan 06 17:58:39 <codev> are you serious!?
Jan 06 17:58:40 <codev> LOL
Jan 06 17:58:41 <acsia> that is quite a big deal
Jan 06 17:58:44 <codev> my god hahahaha
Jan 06 17:59:01 <acsia> I am saving in String and then convert it back
Jan 06 17:59:05 <codev> jesus man lol
Jan 06 17:59:29 <codev> I've been using KSoap for some stuff and they've got a library that's targetted for stuff like Android and it's broken with arrays
Jan 06 17:59:39 <acsia> oh well that s how you learn, couple of hours of breaking head and then you read a message in the message group that it is broken
Jan 06 17:59:44 <codev> I've had to toString() then pass through a regex :-D
Jan 06 17:59:54 <codev> Have you used Hibernate before?
Jan 06 17:59:56 <acsia> :)
Jan 06 18:00:00 <acsia> yes
Jan 06 18:00:08 <acsia> a long time thought
Jan 06 18:00:15 <codev> I'm going to make something like with regex lol
Jan 06 18:00:23 <codev> you regex a string and it converts to object hahahah
Jan 06 18:00:45 <codev> im writing a social networking app on the android right now, so a lot of WS
Jan 06 18:01:27 <acsia> I was thinking, if you connect all the social network sites with android and location base system
Jan 06 18:01:34 <codev> that's what I'm doing lol
Jan 06 18:01:55 <acsia> you would end up 'seeing' your 'friends' in real life just to try it out
Jan 06 18:01:58 <acsia> lol
Jan 06 18:01:59 <codev> I haven't written code to connect to the social networking sites yet because that will be a compatible issue
Jan 06 18:02:01 <codev> however..
Jan 06 18:02:17 <codev> I'm classifying certain coordinates as "zones" and you can publish your zones and share with friends
Jan 06 18:02:22 <codev> you can also share your locatoin as well
Jan 06 18:02:28 <acsia> that s cool
Jan 06 18:02:38 <codev> http://www.technolitter.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/androidz.jpg
Jan 06 18:02:42 <codev> it'll look sort of like that but jazzier
Jan 06 18:02:43 <codev> lol
Jan 06 18:03:18 <acsia> lol that s cool, I like the icon
Jan 06 18:03:33 <acsia> so what are the zones?
Jan 06 18:03:39 <acsia> geographical?
Jan 06 18:04:07 <codev> for now yes
Jan 06 18:04:34 <acsia> that is going to be interesting
Jan 06 18:04:38 <codev> I'm going to do the geocoding with google or the free services so people can just use streets etc
Jan 06 18:04:50 <codev> then i've got to classify zones and validate some because some people might spam and add x++ zones lol
Jan 06 18:05:03 <acsia> I ve done it for UK with postcode
Jan 06 18:05:21 <codev> I've got to write that geocoding stuff in a day's time :-/
Jan 06 18:05:24 <codev> looks easy though =)
Jan 06 18:05:30 <acsia> for the US I beleive there are sites
Jan 06 18:05:38 <acsia> the geocoding is not to bad
Jan 06 18:05:44 <codev> are you in the UK?
Jan 06 18:05:46 <acsia> and there are quite a lot of tutorials
Jan 06 18:05:48 <acsia> yes
Jan 06 18:05:56 <codev> i've also wanted to go there
Jan 06 18:05:57 <acsia> do you know anddev.org?
Jan 06 18:06:02 <codev> yep
Jan 06 18:06:04 <acsia> where are you?
Jan 06 18:06:12 <codev> new york city
Jan 06 18:06:17 <acsia> nice
Jan 06 18:06:23 <acsia> my sister lives there
Jan 06 18:06:43 <acsia> I was suppose to visit this month but there is something more important
Jan 06 18:06:47 <codev> I just hope i get majority of this code before school starts for me again
Jan 06 18:06:50 <acsia> android that is ;)
Jan 06 18:07:09 <codev> hah!
Jan 06 18:07:09 <acsia> are you going to submit it before mars?
Jan 06 18:07:13 <codev> yep
Jan 06 18:07:18 <codev> well, i hope lol
Jan 06 18:07:21 <acsia> same here
Jan 06 18:07:45 <acsia> sometimes I am overmotivated and then I freaking spend 2 days on a stupid GUI issue
Jan 06 18:08:02 <codev> oh man, that's the worst.
Jan 06 18:08:04 <acsia> it s funny I had not touch java for 2 years
Jan 06 18:08:08 <codev> really? lol
Jan 06 18:08:27 <codev> I'm a j2EE coder so I found it pretty easy to get into it
Jan 06 18:08:42 <acsia> well I used to and then I went into the ruby hype
Jan 06 18:08:45 <acsia> and now back to java
Jan 06 18:08:54 <codev> AHHH ruby!?
Jan 06 18:08:57 <codev> what'd you find?
Jan 06 18:09:01 <codev> so much hype
Jan 06 18:09:03 <Lede> you should say "ruby on rails" not ruby
Jan 06 18:09:10 <codev> ah yeah ROR
Jan 06 18:09:10 <Lede> ruby itself is a fine language
Jan 06 18:09:16 <acsia> well ruby is the language RoR is the web framework
Jan 06 18:09:19 <codev> i saw some benchmarks and a lot of ruby needed to be worked on :-/
Jan 06 18:09:24 <codev> yeah I've done a little rails
Jan 06 18:09:37 <acsia> well version 2 is suppose to be like 40% faster
Jan 06 18:09:45 <acsia> I do enjoy developing in R0R
Jan 06 18:09:48 <codev> i hope so, because that's a limiting factor
Jan 06 18:09:53 <codev> especially compared to PHP
Jan 06 18:10:00 <acsia> sometimes it amazes me how 'intelligent' it is
Jan 06 18:10:03 <codev> definitely
Jan 06 18:10:26 <acsia> I remember when I was doing functionnal language programming
Jan 06 18:10:28 <acsia> like ML
Jan 06 18:10:34 <acsia> that was a headf***
Jan 06 18:10:40 <acsia> but interesting
Jan 06 18:10:50 <acsia> we ll see more of such language I beleive
Jan 06 18:11:01 <acsia> IE with social networks etc...
Jan 06 18:11:07 <acsia> anyway need to go drink my tea
Jan 06 18:11:09 <codev> hahahah
Jan 06 18:11:14 <acsia> good luck and ttyl
Jan 06 18:11:16 <codev> you too man
Jan 06 18:12:39 <Lede> what will google do if there are less then 50 entries for the challenge :p
Jan 06 18:12:52 <codev> hahahah!!
Jan 06 18:13:01 <codev> maybe we'll get free hardware to develop on
Jan 06 18:13:04 <codev> they can afford it
Jan 06 18:14:32 <Lede> that would be nice
Jan 06 19:18:40 <mike1o> I just want a new cell phone :)
Jan 06 19:18:51 <codev> me too
Jan 06 21:38:31 <jasta> sigh, i have to go into work today
Jan 06 21:44:49 <jasta> oh well, i'll bring my laptop and work on android a bit :)
Jan 06 21:45:03 <jasta> mostly just babysitting anyway
Jan 06 21:45:36 <Lede> your job is babysitting?
Jan 06 21:46:10 <jasta> computers, sometimes, yes :)
Jan 06 21:46:36 <Lede> heh nice :p
Jan 06 21:46:58 <jasta> i call it babysitting when you are managing servers and stuff that are doing lengthy operations that might fail
Jan 06 21:47:08 <jasta> and in the event of failure you need to react :)
Jan 06 21:48:27 <codev> hahahah
Jan 06 21:48:37 <codev> that is babysitting
Jan 06 21:54:31 <jasta> bbl
Jan 06 22:58:06 <yajiv> hi
Jan 06 22:59:56 <The_PHP_Jedi> hey cybereagle
Jan 06 23:00:09 <cybereagle> heh The_PHP_Jedi
Jan 06 23:00:14 <The_PHP_Jedi> :]
Jan 06 23:00:18 <cybereagle> someone else form hak5
Jan 06 23:00:27 <The_PHP_Jedi> there's someone else here from Hak.5?
Jan 06 23:00:33 <cybereagle> you playing with android too?
Jan 06 23:00:41 <cybereagle> tulcod comes here too
Jan 06 23:00:47 <The_PHP_Jedi> Java doesn't quite love me
Jan 06 23:01:00 <The_PHP_Jedi> but I'm interested in knowing how to dev eventually on it
Jan 06 23:01:10 <The_PHP_Jedi> just hang out here to know what's going on :)
Jan 06 23:01:19 <cybereagle> well you definately need to know general java first lol
Jan 06 23:01:28 <cybereagle> yeah, get all the news lol
Jan 06 23:02:02 <The_PHP_Jedi> cybereagle, what are you doing with it, if anything?
Jan 06 23:02:37 <cybereagle> i'm working on an irc and IM client
Jan 06 23:02:42 <The_PHP_Jedi> ah
Jan 06 23:02:45 <cybereagle> focusing on the irc for a start
Jan 06 23:03:02 <cybereagle> but eventually to include msn, yahoo, etc
Jan 06 23:03:22 <cybereagle> i got a few more crazier ideas too, but i havent had time to think about them much yet lol
Jan 06 23:03:24 <The_PHP_Jedi> cool.... whenever the first Android-enabled device comes out, link me :P
Jan 06 23:03:48 <cybereagle> theres several other ppl working on almost the exact same idea too lol
Jan 06 23:03:57 <The_PHP_Jedi> I suppose... it's quite generic :P
Jan 06 23:04:07 <cybereagle> yeah lol
Jan 06 23:04:12 <The_PHP_Jedi> brand it with Hak.5 and it's unique :P
Jan 06 23:04:15 <cybereagle> but my first thought was, i need an irc client lol
Jan 06 23:05:00 <jasta> i really want ssh and vnc clients.
Jan 06 23:05:16 <jasta> oh, and rdesktop
Jan 06 23:05:20 <The_PHP_Jedi> yeah, IRC and SSH are a must for me
Jan 06 23:05:34 <The_PHP_Jedi> and a nice web browser with tabs.
Jan 06 23:05:43 * The_PHP_Jedi hisses at IE5 mobile
Jan 06 23:06:16 <cybereagle> well they got a decent enough browser already
Jan 06 23:06:22 <The_PHP_Jedi> I hope it has a nice UI... like http://pointui.com
Jan 06 23:06:27 <cybereagle> with funky 3D history
Jan 06 23:06:31 <The_PHP_Jedi> oh, nice
Jan 06 23:06:37 <The_PHP_Jedi> dev'd by Google or third party?
Jan 06 23:06:41 <cybereagle> if you download the sdk and fire up the emulator you can see the UI and all the default apps
Jan 06 23:06:47 <cybereagle> google
Jan 06 23:06:58 <cybereagle> nice thing about the platform is, you can always replace it if you dont like it
Jan 06 23:07:21 <cybereagle> even the phone or sms apps can be replaced
Jan 06 23:07:24 <The_PHP_Jedi> nice
Jan 06 23:08:24 <jasta> not by google.  by apple :)
Jan 06 23:09:06 <jasta> the web browser in android uses webkit.
Jan 06 23:09:32 <romainguy_> jasta: so really, not by apple, but by KDE then :))
Jan 06 23:09:37 <The_PHP_Jedi> hah
Jan 06 23:09:46 <jasta> KDE wrote webkit?
Jan 06 23:10:10 <cybereagle> oh the labyrinth of software authorship lol
Jan 06 23:10:28 <romainguy_> jasta: webkit is forked from Konqueror's engine
Jan 06 23:10:36 <romainguy_> KHTML
Jan 06 23:10:42 <jasta> really?  wow, did not know that.
Jan 06 23:10:44 <romainguy_> yes
Jan 06 23:10:48 <erus`> yer duh
Jan 06 23:10:52 <erus`> dont you read wikipedia
Jan 06 23:10:53 <romainguy_> and now KHTML takes stuff back from webkit
Jan 06 23:11:04 <erus`> like everyday for 6 hours while at college?
Jan 06 23:11:06 <The_PHP_Jedi>  only thing KDE has done right.
Jan 06 23:11:26 <romainguy_> and with Adobe (for AIR) and Google (for Android) using WebKit, there's even more fixes coming back
Jan 06 23:11:35 <romainguy_> I'm glad to see WebKit so successful
Jan 06 23:19:37 <Lede> romainguy_: there is no filebrowser for the webbrowser though
Jan 06 23:19:52 <romainguy_> Lede: ?
Jan 06 23:19:58 <Lede> (like when you want to upload a gmail attachment)
Jan 06 23:20:26 <romainguy_> Ah ok
Jan 06 23:20:32 <Lede> or when you want to upload a image to imageshack
Jan 06 23:23:20 <cybereagle> can it upload files if you type the path in to a form manually?
Jan 06 23:23:42 <cybereagle> then again, given the file permission set up on android a lot of the time it wouldnt work anyway lol
Jan 06 23:26:09 <Lede> cybereagle: if you go to file:// you get "Error -1"
Jan 06 23:26:25 <cybereagle> aha
Jan 06 23:27:24 <jasta> romainguy_: privmsg please.
Jan 06 23:27:45 <romainguy_> sure
Jan 06 23:28:51 <The_PHP_Jedi> aww, mac-style errors?
Jan 06 23:28:52 <The_PHP_Jedi> :(
Jan 06 23:29:22 <romainguy_> jasta: ?
Jan 06 23:29:45 <Lede> The_PHP_Jedi: heh, the whole thing looks like Mac OSX Leopard :p
Jan 06 23:29:53 <The_PHP_Jedi> :(
Jan 06 23:30:01 <The_PHP_Jedi> I hope the UIs more useful
Jan 06 23:30:08 <The_PHP_Jedi> (than Leopard)
Jan 06 23:31:11 <cybereagle> its not as swish as the iphone but its decent
Jan 06 23:31:28 <cybereagle> and largely up to app programmers anyway
Jan 06 23:32:10 <The_PHP_Jedi> good enough :)
Jan 06 23:34:08 * Lede goes to sleep
Jan 06 23:38:08 <romainguy_> jasta: ??
Jan 06 23:38:37 <jasta> romainguy_: are you talking here or in privmsg?
Jan 06 23:38:42 <jasta> are we*
Jan 06 23:38:54 <romainguy_> I sent you a privmsg but you didn't reply
Jan 06 23:39:22 <jasta> all i saw was "oi", actually.
Jan 06 23:39:28 <romainguy_> well yes :)
Jan 06 23:39:35 <jasta> and i responded.
Jan 06 23:39:41 <romainguy_> ah I didn't get your reply :(
Jan 06 23:39:49 <jasta> just sent you another message saying "get this?" as well.
Jan 06 23:40:00 <jasta> hang on, i think freenode is doing this.
Jan 06 23:40:09 <romainguy_> yeah
Jan 06 23:40:48 <cybereagle> yeah freenode has some weird pm filtering thing
Jan 06 23:40:53 <cybereagle> i always forget how it works
Jan 06 23:41:18 <The_PHP_Jedi> you can turn it off though
Jan 06 23:42:08 <The_PHP_Jedi> /ns set unfiltered off
Jan 06 23:43:13 <cybereagle> you mean set unfiltered on
Jan 06 23:43:14 <cybereagle> lol
Jan 06 23:43:21 <The_PHP_Jedi> er.. yeah :P
Jan 06 23:53:34 <jasta> It just occurred to me that there's an "Android community" now.  neat. ;)
Jan 06 23:53:59 <The_PHP_Jedi> heh
Jan 07 00:05:33 <cybereagle> that must make us the "in crowd" hehe
Jan 07 00:29:56 <jasta> whoa, this new server is really noisy :)
Jan 07 01:03:24 <Stingray18> hi all
Jan 07 01:03:31 <The_PHP_Jedi> hey
Jan 07 01:03:56 <Stingray18> sup?
Jan 07 01:05:03 <The_PHP_Jedi> nm
Jan 07 02:27:31 <mike1o> how do I print to console in android?
Jan 07 02:38:18 <romainguy_> mike1o: use the Log class
Jan 07 02:38:50 <mike1o> I did but the console showed nothing
Jan 07 02:39:53 <mike1o> there two of them: com.google.common.Log and android.util.Log
Jan 07 02:40:10 <romainguy_> android.util.Log
Jan 07 02:40:12 <duey> it doesnt write to console
Jan 07 02:40:21 <romainguy_> and if you use Eclipse it will show up in the logcat tab
Jan 07 02:40:22 <duey> you need to attach the debugger
Jan 07 02:40:26 <duey> or eclipse
Jan 07 02:40:34 <romainguy_> or from the command line you can run adb logcat
Jan 07 02:45:12 <mike1o> :)
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