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Jan 09 03:00:24 <jasta> hehe, what the hell
Jan 09 03:00:30 <jasta> found a weird eclipse plugin bug
Jan 09 03:01:12 <billmeltsner> o rly?
Jan 09 03:01:37 <jasta> [2008-01-08 18:58:23 - AsyncService] /home/jguilfoyle/android/AsyncService/src/org/devtcg/asyncservice/IAsyncService.aidl:3: couldn't find import for class org.devtcg.asyncservice.IAsyncServiceCounter
Jan 09 03:01:53 <jasta> but IAsyncServiceCounter.aidl exists, and is in the same path.
Jan 09 03:02:06 <jasta> if i invoke it manually with aidl, and -Isrc, it works.
Jan 09 03:02:21 <jasta> i just kinda futzed around at random, and it started working again.
Jan 09 03:03:59 <billmeltsner> that's odd.
Jan 09 03:14:08 <jasta> heheh, yikes.  i just fork bombed my local machine by running this android code!
Jan 09 03:14:45 <The_PHP_Jedi> heh
Jan 09 03:15:20 <jasta> i don't quite understand how, either.
Jan 09 03:15:29 <jasta> i don't create any threads explicitly.
Jan 09 03:15:53 * jasta runs the emulator with a more sensible ulimit.  now lets see what happens :)
Jan 09 03:21:58 <jasta> i keep getting spammed with that stupid error i pasted above too
Jan 09 03:22:13 <jasta> even thought it doesnt matter since the file's already generated
Jan 09 03:27:33 <jasta> ugh, i run into this crap even when i build with ant
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Jan 09 07:55:31 <jasta> there is definitely a bug in the build environment here.
Jan 09 07:57:19 <romainguy__> jasta: what bug?
Jan 09 07:57:22 <jasta> aidl should be invoked with -Isrc
Jan 09 07:58:14 <jasta> at least from the ant build.xml, it invokes: aidl src/org/foo/bar/file.aidl, put any import statements such as import org.foo.bar.whatever; will not be found.
Jan 09 07:58:18 <jasta> s/put/but/
Jan 09 07:58:35 <jasta> this is what it claims, specifically:
Jan 09 07:58:36 <jasta> /home/jasta/android/AsyncService/src/org/devtcg/asyncservice/IAsyncService.aidl:3: couldn't find import for class org.devtcg.asyncservice.IAsyncServiceCounter
Jan 09 07:58:58 <jasta> Because given that path, and a default -I, org.devtcg.asyncservice definitely can't be found.
Jan 09 07:59:49 <jasta> This is also observed in the Eclipse plugin, which doesn't seem to invoke aidl with -I specified either.
Jan 09 08:01:42 <jasta> modifying the build.xml file as such:
Jan 09 08:01:43 <jasta>         <apply executable="${aidl}" failonerror="true">
Jan 09 08:01:43 <jasta>             <arg value="-I${srcdir}" />
Jan 09 08:01:49 <jasta> fixes the problem there, at least.
Jan 09 08:01:58 <jasta> but again, the Eclipse plugin also would need a similar fix.
Jan 09 08:07:24 <jasta> romainguy__: *poke* ;)
Jan 09 09:41:32 <jasta> well whatev.  i finished the async example: http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/AsyncService.tar.gz
Jan 09 09:41:44 <jasta> to any google engineers: feel free to tell me if i'm way off base ;)
Jan 09 10:12:07 <davidw> damn... this disappearing data thing is beginning to really irk me
Jan 09 10:12:22 <davidw> I wish you could tell it "give me my data, or give me death"
Jan 09 10:22:33 <davidw> or simply have a swap partition the way other OS's do
Jan 09 12:48:45 <davidw> ok, this is weird... activities can share static fields
Jan 09 15:18:08 <mike1o> does anyone else get "error type 3" ?
Jan 09 15:30:22 <mike1o> ok solved :)
Jan 09 15:57:32 <mike1o> how do I delete an application from the phone (emulator)?
Jan 09 16:32:39 <mike1o> http://paste.debian.net/46502 eclipse says this is wrong (the path is res/values/styles.xml)
Jan 09 17:07:48 <codev> mike1o, what is the error?
Jan 09 17:08:25 <mike1o> codev, invalid resource directory name
Jan 09 17:08:45 <codev> wawhat line?
Jan 09 17:10:33 <codev> the only mike1o the only thing I found relevant was http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/b865fe9aa862bc58/121031487e5eb18b
Jan 09 17:11:38 <mike1o> I wonder if the eclipse plugin picks up errors that wouldn't normally come out...
Jan 09 17:14:13 <codev> mike1o, try ant :)
Jan 09 17:43:52 <mike1o> codev, developing with eclipse is not suggested in general then?
Jan 09 17:51:07 <jasta> off to work
Jan 09 17:52:18 <Lede> have fun :)
Jan 09 17:52:42 <codev> what's up guys
Jan 09 17:53:12 <jasta> surprised no one commented on my asyncservice example, actually
Jan 09 17:53:46 <Lede> jasta: where?
Jan 09 17:54:14 <codev> async service example? link me plz :)
Jan 09 17:54:16 <codev> I'll comment
Jan 09 17:54:22 <codev> I need to know how that works..
Jan 09 17:54:41 <Lede> oh on irc
Jan 09 17:54:53 <Lede> about 9 hours ago
Jan 09 17:54:56 <jasta> i posted it in a few places
Jan 09 17:55:30 <codev> jasta, do you have a link so I could take a look at it
Jan 09 17:55:37 <jasta> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/e1863d2822b22a33/81c0491cde50007d?lnk=gst&q=asynchronous#81c0491cde50007d -- scroll down
Jan 09 17:58:42 <codev> thank you jasta
Jan 09 18:02:20 <davidw> jasta, I actually downloaded the code and looked at it
Jan 09 18:04:37 <codev> jasta, this is a loaded question but could someone tell me what binder is?
Jan 09 18:20:00 <jasta> codev: the binder is an IPC implementation that Android uses.  this particular one is called OpenBinder, and exists inside kernel space.
Jan 09 18:20:26 <jasta> somewhat similar to COM on Windows, but without all the evil.
Jan 09 18:20:51 <jasta> it is the primary vehicle for IPC on the device.
Jan 09 18:42:56 <romainguy> jasta: the Eclipse compilation bug you saw has been fixed already
Jan 09 18:45:06 <jasta> romainguy: in the release we don't have?
Jan 09 18:45:15 <romainguy> yep
Jan 09 18:45:26 <romainguy> so next plugin update, you'll be good
Jan 09 18:45:28 <jasta> ahh.  well, that's good i suppose.
Jan 09 18:45:30 <romainguy> ant has been fixed too
Jan 09 18:46:21 <jasta> i had actually thought we'd be getting the new SDK some time in early January.
Jan 09 18:49:37 <jasta> oh well, i am trying to get away from Eclipse anyway.
Jan 09 18:49:54 <jasta> Eclipse no longer correctly building my project is a good way to do that, I suppose.
Jan 09 19:01:04 <Lede> romainguy: can you say when?
Jan 09 19:01:25 <romainguy> No :)
Jan 09 19:01:51 * Lede guesses friday
Jan 09 19:01:53 <Lede> :p
Jan 09 19:04:13 <davidw> romainguy, you guys going to include my ant install patch?
Jan 09 19:04:24 <romainguy> What patch?
Jan 09 19:05:45 <davidw> What bug tracking system to place it in?  I posted it to the mailing list a while ago.  It looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/848436
Jan 09 19:07:07 <romainguy> I sent the link to the guys who work on the plugin
Jan 09 19:08:55 <Lede> if there would have been a bug tracking system these things could be handeld more efficiently..
Jan 09 19:09:15 <romainguy> Yes indeed
Jan 09 19:09:19 <Lede> what is your function at google romainguy, if i may ask
Jan 09 19:09:39 <romainguy> I work on the UI toolkit
Jan 09 19:09:53 <Lede> nice :)
Jan 09 19:09:54 <codev> awesome..
Jan 09 19:09:59 <codev> boy do i suck at android
Jan 09 19:09:59 <davidw> HU-MAN, what is your FUNCT-ION?
Jan 09 19:10:10 <codev> i never have any idea what I'm doing
Jan 09 19:10:13 <Lede> davidw: *bliep*
Jan 09 19:11:20 <codev> I'm reading the OpenBinder docs cause I've got nothing to do and I'm trying to understand it :)
Jan 09 19:11:21 <Lede> davidw: is that a reference to something?
Jan 09 19:11:42 <davidw> It just sounded kind of funny... like something a Dalek would say
Jan 09 19:12:01 <Lede> ok
Jan 09 19:12:58 <romainguy> davidw: apparently the install target has been added in build.xml
Jan 09 19:13:15 <davidw> oh, cool
Jan 09 19:16:41 <Lede> i suck at graphics, i hope google will supply some anyone can use in their programs :>
Jan 09 19:17:27 <codev> Lede, there's a ton of opensource graphics
Jan 09 19:17:30 <codev> and most of them look decent :-D
Jan 09 19:18:13 <Lede> ..and out of place in android
Jan 09 19:18:32 <codev> hahaha Lede this may be true
Jan 09 19:18:49 <codev> I'm good at graphics, maybe i'll make some
Jan 09 19:44:05 <davidw> Hecl could use a graphics dude
Jan 09 20:02:08 <davidw> romainguy, any idea if it's possible, in my Activity, to do something when the service started in onCreate has already been fired up?
Jan 09 20:19:40 <romainguy> davidw: I have no idea :)
Jan 09 20:40:36 <godzirra> heya folks...
Jan 09 20:40:52 <godzirra> I recently stepped away from using eclipse, but when I use "adb install mypackage.apk" it does something, but I don't know how to start the app on the phone?
Jan 09 20:41:06 <godzirra> Can anyone enlighten me, please?
Jan 09 20:41:30 <romainguy> Your application does not show up in the All Applications screen?
Jan 09 20:42:00 <godzirra> I don't have an "all applications" screen, but if I look under "Applications", no... it doesn't.
Jan 09 20:42:17 <romainguy> And the logs doesn't show any error?
Jan 09 20:42:36 <godzirra> Hmm.. which logs?  the adb install didn't, I don't know what other logs to check
Jan 09 20:42:45 <romainguy> adb logcat
Jan 09 20:43:21 <godzirra> Not that I can see.  When I tried to run the install again it says its already insatlled.
Jan 09 20:43:24 <godzirra> installed.
Jan 09 20:47:11 <godzirra> Is there another place I should be looking?  from the main menu I'm just arrowing all the way to the left and clicking "applications"
Jan 09 20:47:26 <romainguy> That's where your application should be
Jan 09 20:47:49 <romainguy> What categories did you declare in your AndroidManifest?
Jan 09 20:48:39 <godzirra> I used all the defaults.
Jan 09 20:48:45 <godzirra> when I run activityCreator.py
Jan 09 20:48:50 <godzirra> *ran
Jan 09 20:49:04 <romainguy> then I don't know
Jan 09 20:49:10 <godzirra> Well crud.
Jan 09 20:50:57 <godzirra> I connected via adb shell and deleted all the old apps...  but there were quite a few apps listed there that didn't show up in the applications folder.
Jan 09 20:52:18 <godzirra> DO I have to restart the adb server ora nything?
Jan 09 20:53:53 <Essington> http://www.zapnat.com/2008/01/08/android-open-source-phone-showed-at-ces-2008/
Jan 09 20:54:36 <godzirra> but... thats not running android.
Jan 09 20:55:18 <Essington> yet ...
Jan 09 20:55:49 <godzirra> Sigh. anyone have any ideas why my files aren't showing up in applications?
Jan 09 20:56:43 <godzirra> -rw-rw-rw- root     root        11112 2008-01-09 14:17 filelist.apk
Jan 09 20:56:48 <godzirra> The file is definitely there according to adb shell
Jan 09 20:56:54 <godzirra> in /data/apps
Jan 09 20:57:01 <godzirra> err /data/app
Jan 09 21:08:17 <godzirra> Alright, i'm going home.  I'll come back and ask again more tomorrow. ;)
Jan 09 21:18:51 <davidw> *damn*... thing finally worked
Jan 09 21:18:52 <davidw> hrm
Jan 09 21:49:21 <davidw> oh yeah...finally figured out what wasn't right
Jan 09 21:49:30 <davidw> this activity lifestyle stuff is a bit odd, IMO
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