**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 11 02:59:56 2008 Jan 11 03:02:40 romainguy: fwiw, i've looked everywhere...did not find the xml for several items like android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1. two_line_list_item is documented here (http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/ListActivity.html) for example Jan 11 08:36:51 morning Jan 11 08:36:56 morning. Jan 11 09:12:56 'morning, dudes Jan 11 09:13:50 huhu davidw Jan 11 14:43:21 ugh Jan 11 14:43:25 fucking work. called me in at 6am :( Jan 11 14:44:17 ouch Jan 11 14:44:17 what is your line of work ? Jan 11 14:45:36 mostly business application development. in this particular case, though, it seems our WAN is malfunctioning. Jan 11 14:45:52 ah, jack of all trades too? Jan 11 14:46:20 yeah, bascially. Jan 11 14:48:10 * absentia has been here, done that. Jan 11 14:48:26 it's really not so bad. i mean, they make it worth my while ;) Jan 11 14:51:21 how so ? Jan 11 14:51:28 by calling you in on random day at 6am? Jan 11 14:51:38 but they give you 1/2 price star bucks coffee when you arrive? (cold?) Jan 11 14:54:37 what makes you so bitter? :) Jan 11 15:01:25 heheh Jan 11 15:01:28 just joking. Jan 11 15:13:23 can there be directories other than "values" & "layout" in "res"? Jan 11 15:13:48 raw Jan 11 15:14:09 ./weekend --initialize Jan 11 15:14:10 :) Jan 11 15:21:49 and strings. Jan 11 15:22:06 and drawable Jan 11 19:02:31 hi there Jan 11 19:31:27 Anyone here familiar with GPS on android? Jan 11 20:31:10 morrildl: have you been following the aidl thread on android-dev? looks like there are some other bugs in the aidl tool on Windows that prevent import statements from being resolved. Jan 11 20:31:35 it works fine on Linux if you manually specify -Isrc, but the Windows folks are saying it won't work even with manual invocation. Jan 11 20:52:13 jasta, do you use Eclipse for developing on Android? Jan 11 20:53:44 sort of, not really. Jan 11 20:54:03 I used it a lot when I first started with Android, but I settled back into vim and ant pretty quickly. Jan 11 20:55:00 jasta, do you have any autocomplete functionality Jan 11 20:55:05 because this ADT plugin sucks Jan 11 20:55:31 codev: what don't you like about it? Jan 11 20:55:43 I get funky errors like packages missing Jan 11 20:55:46 my ant script runs fine Jan 11 20:56:20 romainguy, it says a package doesn't exist (coming from my manifest) then..I attempt to change it the error duplicates and eventually filles up my entire problems tab Jan 11 20:56:32 I wish there was a maven archetype :-/ Jan 11 20:56:41 maven? Jan 11 20:56:47 yep Jan 11 20:56:48 for simple projects like this? Jan 11 20:57:03 it would be easier to generate the artifacts for any idea :-/ Jan 11 20:57:05 iDE* Jan 11 20:57:26 romainguy, is the ADT plugin source online? Jan 11 20:58:17 I don't think so Jan 11 20:58:37 oh well, i guess emacs + ant it is :) Jan 11 20:58:44 i think that it is, actually. Jan 11 20:59:13 http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list Jan 11 20:59:31 Indeed Jan 11 20:59:49 codev: So here you go, you have the source :) Jan 11 21:00:04 thank you :) Jan 11 21:40:56 I wonder what dx -JXmx384M does ;) Jan 11 21:41:35 LOL Jan 11 21:41:46 speaking of which, I need more RAM Jan 11 21:42:01 I thought 2GB was going to be enough Jan 11 21:42:03 nope Jan 11 21:42:26 http://code.google.com/android/reference/traceview.html -- neat. Jan 11 21:42:40 codev: i only have 1.5GB. Jan 11 21:43:22 jasta, ouch man Jan 11 21:43:37 jasta, I'm trying to work on my stuff for my job and android at the same time so I've got 4 eclipses open and that hurts Jan 11 21:43:41 plus a couple jboss servers Jan 11 21:43:56 I think I'm going to get a couple 4GB sticks Jan 11 21:45:24 that is absurd. Jan 11 21:45:54 jasta, this is on my laptop :( Jan 11 21:45:57 i don't ever use more than one eclipse instance, though. i sometimes don't use 1. Jan 11 21:46:08 yikes, i can't stand programming on a laptop. Jan 11 21:46:15 i have 2 22" LCDs both at home and work. Jan 11 21:46:26 and I run compiz so when I get bored I can wobble windows all over Jan 11 21:46:39 :-D Jan 11 21:46:56 compiz is neato, but the window resizing stuff kills my video card Jan 11 21:48:13 what windows resizing stuff? mine just shows a little blue shaded box Jan 11 21:48:32 jasta, what distro? Jan 11 21:48:43 although, my video card at home is a GeForce7900GT, and at work it's a 7600GS. Jan 11 21:48:52 codev: Ubuntu at work, Debian at home. Jan 11 21:49:21 If you turn off the blue shaded resize and turn on the one that renders every frame..it dies Jan 11 21:49:29 I mean, it runs `okay` when I'm using openSuse Jan 11 21:49:39 well, i don't like real-time resizing anyway. Jan 11 21:49:42 I think it looks goofy. Jan 11 21:49:46 but when I'm in Gentoo, it's absolutely horrendous and my video card is high end quadro Jan 11 21:50:15 Nvidia has said it has to do with the way they implemented their memory management and recently made a few efforts to fix that Jan 11 21:50:18 but it hasn't helped Jan 11 21:55:37 i'm excited for KDE4, hopefully they will make an effort to integrate with Compiz. Jan 11 21:55:47 because, frankly, GNOME is crap. Jan 11 21:57:00 jasta: You said that yesterday already :) Jan 11 21:57:04 jasta, I'm also excited for KDE4 Jan 11 21:57:27 romainguy___: Well it remains true :) Jan 11 21:57:30 jasta, I use fluxbox mainly though..it's GTK I really don't like Jan 11 21:57:41 I can use GNOME, though. It's not as bad as Windows yet. Jan 11 21:57:48 jasta, yet.. Jan 11 21:57:49 I use it at work, afterall. I have just a stock Ubuntu install here. Jan 11 21:57:57 codev: I know what I said :) Jan 11 21:58:16 jasta, hahahah damn gnome and their lack of documentatoin Jan 11 21:58:37 jasta, have you coded anything for GNOME/surrounding libs..gtk etc? Jan 11 21:59:00 Actually, FWIW, Ubuntu is fanstastic. Really great distro, and my only quarrel with it is that all the GNOME upstream crud :) Jan 11 21:59:11 codev: You could say that, I wrote Gnapster years ago. Jan 11 22:00:10 jasta, do you know how to write a plugin for nautilus? Jan 11 22:00:35 No, but I suspect it's awful :) Jan 11 22:00:53 brb, i think i have a meeting starting right now. Jan 11 22:05:23 nope, got cancelled because management is irresponsible. Jan 11 22:07:28 codev: Actually though, I don't mind GTK so much. I mean, UI in C is awkward, but the team certainly did a good job designing a general purpose UI framework. Jan 11 22:08:38 And, AFAIK, the GNOME layers on top of GTK follow a similar pattern of sensible design. It's just that everything that happened outside of the framework is terrible. Most of the user-facing programming is hackish, awkward, and lazy. Jan 11 22:09:09 jasta, I did a little bit of coding with it (had to draw up a UI to represent a robot doing some AI and neural net) and it was easy to work with...except for the Gtype stuff Jan 11 22:09:50 Eventually, we switched to QT which seemed nicer and easier to follow in the documentation Jan 11 22:10:43 GTK specifically has a nice and simple layout policy. Very flexible, and easy to design consistent user interfaces (if you pay attention to those sorts of things). Jan 11 22:11:23 Android, if I may criticize, does not do as good a job, but at least is thinking in the right area ;) Jan 11 23:02:24 jasta, in my AIDL file , is it required that I have an in/out/inout parameter? Jan 11 23:04:00 For primitives (int, char, etc) no, as they can only be in. Jan 11 23:04:16 thank you :) Jan 11 23:04:28 For primitive Java types (String, List, etc) no, but it has an optimization advantage. Jan 11 23:05:19 inout is assumed if you do not specify for serialized types, which causes performance overhead if you intend it to be only in or out. Jan 11 23:05:45 okay Jan 11 23:06:26 so, it's a good idea for any type other than the base pass-by-value primitives. Jan 11 23:15:30 lame, meeting rescheduled. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 12 02:59:57 2008