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Jan 16 03:20:49 <jasta> hehe, this android dev challenge is really bringing out the cowboy programmer in me.  i feel so hurried.
Jan 16 03:21:08 <duey> i haven't even started
Jan 16 03:21:09 <duey> qq
Jan 16 03:21:17 <duey> must stop playing counter strike!
Jan 16 03:21:34 <jasta> there's only the rest of january and february.  and february is even a short month.
Jan 16 03:22:05 <jasta> that's plenty of time to do something meaningful when you work on it 8 hours or more a day.  it's tough after work and on weekend :)
Jan 16 03:22:08 <jasta> weekends*
Jan 16 03:22:42 <duey> i doubt they are expecting something perfect
Jan 16 03:22:51 <duey> and if they are I doubt they are going to be getting anything perfect
Jan 16 03:22:51 <jasta> no, but it still has to be in by then.
Jan 16 03:25:06 <romainguy> And we want to see cool stuff :p
Jan 16 03:25:20 <duey> mines cooll
Jan 16 03:25:25 <duey> but its hard
Jan 16 03:25:36 <duey> my honours project
Jan 16 03:25:41 <duey> so doing it over this year
Jan 16 03:26:10 <romainguy> what are you working on?
Jan 16 03:26:13 <duey> stuff..
Jan 16 03:26:35 <romainguy> I can't participate in the contest you know :)
Jan 16 03:26:58 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy: you work for google?
Jan 16 03:27:02 <romainguy> Yes
Jan 16 03:27:28 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy: that must be alot of fun.... i totally want to work for google
Jan 16 03:27:53 <romainguy> It is, although we are very busy on Android :)
Jan 16 03:28:04 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy: i bet
Jan 16 03:28:15 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy: it is some platform
Jan 16 03:28:23 <jasta> ...and IRC ;)
Jan 16 03:28:56 <romainguy> jasta: that's the power of large screens, there's always room for IRC :)
Jan 16 03:29:12 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy: or two in our case :)
Jan 16 03:29:24 <billmeltsner> s/large\ screens/dual\ displays/
Jan 16 03:29:49 <romainguy> :)
Jan 16 03:30:21 <billmeltsner> and yeah, I can't participate in the contest either :(
Jan 16 03:30:40 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy: do you work in new york?
Jan 16 03:30:58 <romainguy> michaelnovakjr: No I'm at the headquarters in California
Jan 16 03:31:03 <romainguy> billmeltsner: How come?
Jan 16 03:32:12 <billmeltsner> romainguy: I'll be 17 at the close of the contest.
Jan 16 03:32:19 <romainguy> Ah indeed
Jan 16 03:32:27 <billmeltsner> annoying, too, I actually had an idea.
Jan 16 03:32:29 <billmeltsner> :(
Jan 16 03:32:37 <jasta> there's nothing stopping you from implementing your idea.
Jan 16 03:32:41 <romainguy> You can still implement it :)
Jan 16 03:32:45 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy: is Google's new york office an active development spot?
Jan 16 03:33:11 <romainguy> michaelnovakjr: I know a few developers over there but apart from that, I have no idea
Jan 16 03:33:12 <billmeltsner> ...wrong button.
Jan 16 03:35:44 <jasta> man, minus the bear is the most awesome band ever.
Jan 16 03:35:57 <jasta> it just had to be said.
Jan 16 03:37:58 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: do people musically still live in 1990?
Jan 16 03:38:03 <michaelnovakjr> in seattle that is
Jan 16 03:38:07 <jasta> huh?  no.
Jan 16 03:38:23 <billmeltsner> Well, here in Wisconsin, we're always up-to-date on the latest music
Jan 16 03:38:30 <billmeltsner> For instance, have you heard about these four guys from England?
Jan 16 03:38:34 <billmeltsner> Their hair's so long...
Jan 16 03:38:34 <jasta> although the local alternative radio station still does, for some reason, play nirvana like once a week.
Jan 16 03:39:02 <michaelnovakjr> oh i know them....what is their name again?
Jan 16 03:39:06 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: the seattle music scene is very progressive.
Jan 16 03:39:30 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: interesting... believe it or not, in new york the radio is extremely lame
Jan 16 03:39:43 * billmeltsner kicks the intertubes and tells it to download faster
Jan 16 03:40:00 <billmeltsner> I want a T3 line
Jan 16 03:40:18 <michaelnovakjr> i could go for that
Jan 16 03:40:23 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: the radio is lame everywhere.  the radio is not where you find the music scene of any given area.
Jan 16 03:40:32 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: true
Jan 16 03:40:43 <jasta> it's at clubs, bars, and music venus.
Jan 16 03:40:46 <jasta> venues*
Jan 16 03:40:51 <billmeltsner> Music Venus?
Jan 16 03:41:03 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: what do you listen to?
Jan 16 03:41:16 <jasta> billmeltsner: concert halls et al.
Jan 16 03:41:30 <jasta> and those big outdoor stages.
Jan 16 03:41:36 <billmeltsner> I'm trying to think of some sort of pun that uses planet names, and failing miserably
Jan 16 03:41:45 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: indie rock and related styles, mostly.
Jan 16 03:41:59 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: are you familiar with a band called pablo?
Jan 16 03:42:52 <jasta> no, is it this: http://www.myspace.com/pablomusic?
Jan 16 03:43:10 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: yes, they appeared on KEXP
Jan 16 03:43:15 <jasta> because actually, their top friend on MySpace is the highly progressive local indie station here in Seattle.
Jan 16 03:43:25 <jasta> yeah, hehe, KEXP. :)
Jan 16 03:43:50 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: its a friends band.. KEXP came to NY and they were on the show
Jan 16 03:44:03 <michaelnovakjr> wow, that was two years ago....
Jan 16 03:44:07 <jasta> that's pretty cool.  KEXP is an awesome station.
Jan 16 03:44:24 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: i listen to it online at work
Jan 16 03:45:17 <jasta> hehe, me too
Jan 16 03:45:47 <jasta> i go to a lot of their functions around seattle :)
Jan 16 03:46:56 <jasta> KEXP is like no other station we have here, though.  The other big popular rock station is KNDD (The End) and it's actually really generic and crappy most of the time.
Jan 16 03:47:52 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: i enjoy listening to it
Jan 16 03:47:56 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: have you heard of a band named Pela?  they're from NY and big on KEXP.
Jan 16 03:48:06 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: yep
Jan 16 03:48:11 <jasta> i like that band a lot.  saw them play two benefit concerts for KEXP
Jan 16 03:49:08 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: that is awesome
Jan 16 03:51:35 <jasta> sorry, i'm mixing IRC and work.  not that responsive :)
Jan 16 03:52:00 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: its all good, i am sure we all are
Jan 16 03:52:21 <jasta> but seriously, you should check out Minus the Bear :)
Jan 16 03:52:35 <jasta> oh well, if you listen to KEXP, you must already know about them
Jan 16 03:52:54 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: indeed
Jan 16 03:53:13 <jasta> their new album was blah, Menos El Oso is where it's at.  they are amazing live, btw.
Jan 16 03:54:20 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: sweet, haven't been to a show in awhile
Jan 16 03:54:44 <jasta> sucky that you're not 21 ;)
Jan 16 03:54:55 <jasta> you don't really get to experience much of the music scene until then.
Jan 16 03:56:54 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: me?
Jan 16 03:57:05 <jasta> yeah, didn't you say you were 17?
Jan 16 03:57:12 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: nope 22
Jan 16 03:57:20 <jasta> or am i confusing folks.  oops, sorry :)
Jan 16 03:57:28 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: its all good
Jan 16 05:32:15 <Android001> Does any know how to add 3rd party jar file int .apk file?
Jan 16 05:37:45 <jasta> I believe you can just add them to the Eclipse project.
Jan 16 05:43:25 <Android001> I tried "add Jar", it doesn't work
Jan 16 05:43:27 <jasta> I'm looking into how to include them if using ant or aapt directly.
Jan 16 05:49:05 <jasta> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/23e2bd7fca3d1656/e003f823f18a2825?lnk=gst&q=external+jar#e003f823f18a2825
Jan 16 05:50:11 <jasta> i'm pretty sure with aapt, you'd want to specify -I foo.jar
Jan 16 05:50:22 <jasta> but my environment is being fussy so i can't confirm right now.
Jan 16 05:52:56 <Android001> I tried "Add JARs" in eclipse, it doesn't work.
Jan 16 05:53:10 <jasta> well, it must somehow.  what is your platform?
Jan 16 05:54:01 <Android001> windows XP + Eclipes: 3.3.1.1
Jan 16 05:54:25 <jasta> i actually know of a project that uses external jars as well.  found here: http://code.google.com/p/android-feed-reader/
Jan 16 05:54:41 <jasta> Android001: Perhaps it is a bug in the build environment with Windows.  I know that there are others, specifically with the aidl tool.
Jan 16 05:54:47 <jasta> Perhaps aapt is similarly busted.
Jan 16 05:54:56 <jasta> I doubt any of the Android engineers develop from Windows :)
Jan 16 05:57:40 <Android001> I will try
Jan 16 05:59:32 <michaelnovakjr> Android001: my recommendation.... vmware
Jan 16 06:00:01 <jasta> well, i wouldn't go that far just to test it.
Jan 16 06:00:37 <michaelnovakjr> well, i mean as an overall development env
Jan 16 06:00:45 <michaelnovakjr> i had lots of problems doing work for android on windows
Jan 16 06:00:45 <Android001> I perfer try aapt directly
Jan 16 06:05:45 <jasta> well, take a look at the default ant build.xml, and i think it should be obvious how it can be extended.  i think aapt -I is the right flag, but again i can't test that right now
Jan 16 06:08:01 <billmeltsner> Argh.
Jan 16 06:08:10 * billmeltsner bashes his head against a wall
Jan 16 06:08:18 <jasta> ?
Jan 16 06:08:26 <billmeltsner> LuaSocket is being a pain
Jan 16 06:17:29 <billmeltsner> oh, well there's the problem
Jan 16 06:17:35 <billmeltsner> the config file was set for Linux
Jan 16 06:24:33 <jasta> aapt is not the tool that is responsible for merging jar files into the package, actually.
Jan 16 06:25:49 <jasta> dx does it, of course.
Jan 16 06:28:50 * jasta tinkers with this.
Jan 16 06:28:59 <jasta> i'd like to come up with a build.xml that actually works to include 3rd party jars.
Jan 16 06:35:32 <michaelnovakjr> ::drilling::
Jan 16 07:07:30 <jasta> i think i will use SyncML for my protocol.
Jan 16 07:07:43 <jasta> i found this to help with that, too: http://code.google.com/p/funambol/
Jan 16 07:07:47 <jasta> also, there is libsyncml for the server side
Jan 16 07:09:47 <jasta> still can't make sync4j work with libsyncml though.  this protocol is curiously incompatible :)
Jan 16 07:15:54 <billmeltsner> As much fun as Android is, I've found myself demotivated because I can't participate in the contest.
Jan 16 07:16:03 <billmeltsner> so I spend much of my spare time on more useful pursuits.
Jan 16 07:16:08 <billmeltsner> Like writing a MUD server in Lua.
Jan 16 07:16:22 <billmeltsner> (did I mention I use my own definition of useful)
Jan 16 07:31:14 <jasta> billmeltsner: the contest is not why android is fun :)
Jan 16 07:42:38 <billmeltsner> jasta: I know. And I certainly don't plan on ceasing development on android.
Jan 16 07:43:06 <billmeltsner> But without the incentive of the contest deadline, it takes a backseat to other projects I have going on
Jan 16 07:43:44 <jasta> like a mud serve rin lua?  hehe
Jan 16 08:04:58 <rangen> billmeltsner: maybe you can consider this book about motivation: http://www.alfiekohn.org/books/pbr.htm
Jan 16 08:31:50 <jasta> http://xkcd.com/371/
Jan 16 08:31:51 <jasta> hehe
Jan 16 08:32:02 <jasta> thats what a segfault feels like to me too ;)
Jan 16 09:39:14 <pekayatt> Gut morgan! :D
Jan 16 09:57:44 <Borealis>  is there a way to make the xml for UIs visually?
Jan 16 10:10:58 <pekayatt> I think I found a bug, in MapView extends it's unable to getWith() or getHeight(), this appear always give just (0, 0)...
Jan 16 14:02:00 <moprilo> hi everone..
Jan 16 14:02:21 <moprilo> I just found out about the android project!
Jan 16 14:03:06 <moprilo> i was wondering can someone tell me what phones i can load android os?
Jan 16 14:03:52 <moprilo> anyone?
Jan 16 14:10:24 <kristian-m> moprilo there are no android phones yet - officially
Jan 16 14:12:17 <moprilo> jmm.. but maybe one i could buy and port the android to..? i see news on a htc 9090.  It would be cool doing it on other phones
Jan 16 14:12:36 <moprilo> my BB just died, I was about to buy a s730 til I saw the news.
Jan 16 14:12:58 <moprilo> too bad HTC says it will sell the new device for android not until 2nd half of 2008
Jan 16 14:13:04 <kristian-m> moprilo click the button on http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200
Jan 16 14:13:23 <kristian-m> moprilo ... to get all devices using the supported system on a chip
Jan 16 14:14:19 <moprilo> the s730 is using that chip
Jan 16 14:14:32 <moprilo> u mean any phone with that chip will work android?
Jan 16 14:16:16 <kristian-m> moprilo no, any device with that chip _could_ work with it - you'd still have to port it, and replace the firmware
Jan 16 14:17:31 <kristian-m> moprilo i'd look which devices linux is ported to already - as you'd already have a way to access the system memory
Jan 16 14:19:14 <Borealis> it's pretty cool to get it working on real hw but if you jsut want to play around with Android and get up and running, the emulator is a good starting point
Jan 16 14:20:02 <moprilo> right.. but i've toyed with linux all my life. I'm hoping i can port android to my next bought phone
Jan 16 14:20:31 <moprilo> i was about to chose the s730, but .. i'll research a little more.  So someday I can port it to the chosen one
Jan 16 14:20:43 <Borealis> if that's what floats your boat by all means go for it :) not saying not to, had no idea who you are and what your background is. Just thought you were someone wanting to start writing Android apps
Jan 16 14:33:06 <moprilo> i am.. i'll be ..!
Jan 16 15:21:03 <michaelnovakjr> Sun Microsystems has bought MySQL AB
Jan 16 15:21:12 <michaelnovakjr> Oracle has bought BEA Systems finally
Jan 16 15:38:55 <Marv|LG> do you have a link to the second one
Jan 16 15:48:45 <michaelnovakjr> article?
Jan 16 17:43:21 <pekayatt> noob question, how can i set (forced) my GPS location!?
Jan 16 17:57:29 <jasta> wow i am so tired i can hardly stand hehe
Jan 16 19:26:07 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: how's it going?
Jan 16 19:30:10 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: good :)
Jan 16 19:45:22 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: what do you think of a adding a default rss stream to the rss reader that is like the top 10 feeds or something?
Jan 16 19:47:10 <jasta> what do you mean?
Jan 16 19:49:01 <michaelnovakjr> like host a 10 most popular rss feed by default, its more of a content thing.... but its like a starting point
Jan 16 19:52:25 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: its not really a programming thing, but it could be a cool feature for those who just download the app
Jan 16 19:53:32 <Lede> michaelnovakjr: you know what i miss from rss (in firefox)? is the ability to have an archive of feeds you can search through and the ability to have subdirectories for different type of feeds (categories like IT news, comics etc.)
Jan 16 19:54:12 <michaelnovakjr> Lede: by archive you mean stored locally?
Jan 16 19:54:37 <michaelnovakjr> Lede: or just feeds you can search?
Jan 16 19:55:41 <Lede> if they are stored locally it would be better
Jan 16 19:56:00 <Lede> but they might fill up the limited storage resource on a mobile phone
Jan 16 19:56:07 <michaelnovakjr> exactly
Jan 16 19:56:23 <michaelnovakjr> but the search feature, to search for feeds is a good idea, it will do that for sure
Jan 16 19:56:34 <Lede> and the categories!
Jan 16 19:56:50 <michaelnovakjr> yep
Jan 16 19:56:59 <michaelnovakjr> categories is definitely important
Jan 16 19:57:40 <michaelnovakjr> if you want all news you should be able to view multiple news feeds, or if you want IT feeds you should be able to view all IT feeds without news feeds mixed in there
Jan 16 19:58:06 <Lede> exactly
Jan 16 19:58:34 <michaelnovakjr> on a mobile phone rss feeds are really important i think
Jan 16 19:58:49 <michaelnovakjr> it gets you the content you need without having to go through an entire webpage
Jan 16 20:28:23 <Lede> romainguy , romainguy_ and romainguy__ is there a known problem with ScrollView's in combination with EditText widgets which have a fixed number of lines (the android:lines attribute)?
Jan 16 20:29:24 <Lede> the whole view seems to reset when you go through a filled EditText widget with a fixed number of lines and then jump to the next widget and then go back to that EditText
Jan 16 20:29:41 <Lede> all this inside a ScrollView ofcourse
Jan 16 20:29:57 <jasta> sorry, was away
Jan 16 20:31:03 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: oh, yeah, i had thought to do that too.  like basically set up google news international, wired news, slashdot, etc.
Jan 16 20:31:20 <Lede> romainguy: if you need a test case or something ill post it to the newsgroup
Jan 16 20:31:31 <jasta> but i think it would be better to have a way to search online through feeds (feedburner/syndic8?) or have a huge list to pick from (and search through)
Jan 16 20:31:40 <romainguy__> Lede: please do, it sounds like a focus bug to me
Jan 16 20:31:54 <michaelnovakjr> jasta: i agree
Jan 16 21:55:19 <morrildl> I need to stop forgetting to start chatzilla
Jan 16 22:01:30 <Stephmw> ;)
Jan 16 22:01:36 <Stephmw> screen+irssi?
Jan 16 22:01:42 <Stephmw> persistent connections are great
Jan 16 22:02:55 <jasta> morrildl: you need to stop remembering to use chatzila :)
Jan 16 22:02:57 <jasta> chatzilla*
Jan 16 22:03:06 <morrildl> hehehe
Jan 16 22:03:08 <jasta> jeez at least xchat is better
Jan 16 22:04:18 <billmeltsner> I want Linkinus myself
Jan 16 22:04:24 <billmeltsner> but then, I like the Mac :P
Jan 16 22:07:36 <jasta> man i can't wait for Firefox to support compositing natively :)
Jan 16 22:07:49 <jasta> that's be sweet getting all these cool effects accelerated by graphics hardware
Jan 16 22:07:59 <jasta> so fading in and out and translucencies don't run like hell and look terrible.
Jan 16 22:22:52 <Lede> romainguy: here it is http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/fffa6ebed1506170
Jan 16 22:23:01 <Lede> or morrildl if you can take a look
Jan 16 22:27:51 <romainguy__> I forwarded it to someone who knows about this
Jan 16 22:28:28 <Lede> romainguy__: ok, thanks
Jan 16 22:51:19 <winksaville> morrildl: Thanks for opening the coca & s'mores registration!
Jan 16 22:52:37 <duey> mm coffee
Jan 16 22:57:34 <pandora--> mm coffee
Jan 16 23:06:47 <morrildl> winksaville: no problem!
Jan 16 23:06:53 * morrildl is going without coffee today
Jan 16 23:06:55 <morrildl> yesterday was.......... rough......... with the coffee
Jan 16 23:06:58 <morrildl> today I am detoxing :)
Jan 16 23:32:28 <jasta> yawn
Jan 16 23:32:35 <jasta> i'm not a big coffee drinker
Jan 16 23:32:41 <jasta> but maybe that's at my expense, because i'm tired all the time.
Jan 16 23:32:56 <jasta> i drink a lot of iced tea, though :)
Jan 16 23:33:06 <cybereagle> from what i hear if you drink coffee all the time you get even more tired as you build resistence to it lol
Jan 16 23:33:11 <pandora--> why not regular tea?
Jan 16 23:33:15 <pandora--> like... black tea
Jan 16 23:33:23 <pandora--> or, "earl grey, hot"
Jan 16 23:33:27 <cybereagle> heh, famicoman, another name i know from channels other than this
Jan 16 23:33:41 <cybereagle> can't argue with the captain
Jan 16 23:33:57 <cybereagle> though i've never met anyone who drank cold earl grey
Jan 16 23:34:08 <cybereagle> "tea, earl gray, luke warm!"
Jan 16 23:34:11 <jasta> pandora--: i dunno, i just like the taste of peach iced tea ;)
Jan 16 23:34:21 <pandora--> twinings actually makes an iced earl grey
Jan 16 23:34:41 <pandora--> cybereagle: hehe, glad someone got the ref
Jan 16 23:34:43 <Stephmw> cybereagle: and nevermind about the health effects of caffeine dependence and toxicity
Jan 16 23:34:54 <pandora--> even without the 'tea, ' preface
Jan 16 23:35:14 <cybereagle> there was a story in the paper a while ago about some girl who worked in a starbukcs or somewhere like that who drank so much extra strong coffee in a day she died :/
Jan 16 23:35:25 <pandora--> dumbass chick
Jan 16 23:35:34 <pandora--> thats darwin flavored coffee if you ask me.
Jan 16 23:35:35 <jasta> my friend used to drink coffee like that
Jan 16 23:35:39 <cybereagle> rofl pandora--
Jan 16 23:35:39 <jasta> she used to literally jitter and shake.
Jan 16 23:35:54 <jasta> i wouldnt let her drive me anywhere, but that's also because she was a woman :)
Jan 16 23:35:56 <jasta> hehe
Jan 16 23:36:10 <jasta> bbl, gotta go do stuff
Jan 16 23:36:14 <cybereagle> even smallish amounts of caffine tend to give me a headache. and if i drink it in the evening i usually wake up with panic attacks in the night
Jan 16 23:36:28 <pandora--> hah wow
Jan 16 23:36:37 <pandora--> i drink a lot of coffee and tea daily
Jan 16 23:37:21 <cybereagle> water, fruit juice, beer or whiskey for me hehe
Jan 16 23:42:18 <Stephmw> 5g is the mortal dose... you'd need around 60 or so espressos
Jan 16 23:42:30 <Stephmw> but I'm sure doing even 30 in a day can't be healthy
Jan 16 23:42:41 <pandora--> hah ya
Jan 16 23:42:50 <pandora--> i have like 2 cups of coffee in the morning
Jan 16 23:42:59 <pandora--> and then tea a few times during the day
Jan 16 23:43:02 <pandora--> but only good tea
Jan 16 23:43:04 <Stephmw> I used to do about 15 or so during crunch times
Jan 16 23:43:09 <Stephmw> cheap coffee
Jan 16 23:43:45 <cybereagle> sugary things, or just plain sugar was my sin
Jan 16 23:44:09 <pandora--> eh?
Jan 16 23:44:25 <cybereagle> i'd eat sugar to get an energy boost
Jan 16 23:44:30 <cybereagle> not caffine
Jan 16 23:44:35 <cybereagle> doesnt last as long lol
Jan 16 23:44:38 <cybereagle> by a long way
Jan 16 23:44:44 <cybereagle> but it tastes better
Jan 16 23:45:28 <pandora--> tea tastes good
Jan 16 23:45:35 <pandora--> lots of caffeine in that
Jan 16 23:46:02 <cybereagle> being english i ought to agree, but i only drink tea occasionally
Jan 16 23:46:31 <pandora--> i'm not english, but i almost only drink english tea
Jan 16 23:54:08 * Stephmw heads to bed... no coffee
Jan 17 00:18:50 <morrildl> The funny thing is, I didn't even mean to mention coffee
Jan 17 00:18:54 <morrildl> it was a typo :)
Jan 17 00:19:02 <morrildl> It was supposed to be "cocoa & s'mores"
Jan 17 00:19:22 <duey> so no coffee?
Jan 17 00:19:32 <morrildl> duey: oh I'm sure there will be coffee THERE
Jan 17 00:19:47 <morrildl> But the theme is s'mores
Jan 17 00:30:53 <pandora--> i'd go if i was up there
Jan 17 00:37:05 <jasta> i don't get the campfire theme.  that is pretty lame :)
Jan 17 00:48:18 * morrildl thought everyone understood on a primal level the allure of setting things on fire
Jan 17 00:51:15 <jerkface03> morrildl: status of nio issue?
Jan 17 00:51:31 <morrildl> jerkface03: should be addressed in the next SDK release I believe
Jan 17 00:51:41 <jerkface03> morrildl: eta until next sdk rls?
Jan 17 00:52:16 <jasta> morrildl: yeah, but i bet you guys are using firestarter logs or a gas-powered fire.
Jan 17 00:54:40 <cybereagle> yeah my dev is on hold until nio. technically i could carry on, but i'm glad of the excuse to work on other things. as usualy i have too many projects lol
Jan 17 00:57:25 <morrildl> jerkface03: no ETA, but I am working on it right now
Jan 17 00:57:38 <morrildl> (along w/ others, of course :))
Jan 17 00:58:00 <jerkface03> can't be that big of an issue, is it? i would imagine it would take you 20 minutes to add in the missing libs?
Jan 17 00:58:07 <morrildl> jerkface03: right
Jan 17 00:58:12 <morrildl> just a matter of rolling the bits
Jan 17 01:01:00 <cybereagle> i expect you have other updates ready before a release though right?
Jan 17 01:01:25 <cybereagle> oh and for the record, yes, fire is pretty :D
Jan 17 01:06:22 <jasta> you know what else is pretty
Jan 17 01:06:42 <jasta> http://jasta.dyndns.org/snow_camping_dec_07/boom.avi
Jan 17 01:06:51 <jasta> (no, that is not me in the video)
Jan 17 01:08:38 <jasta> alright, quittin' time.  bbl.
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