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Jan 23 04:16:58 <faust> Is anyone going to the Android campfire tomorrow? Looks like registration is closed, do you think it's still possibel to register at the door?
Jan 23 04:44:50 <jasta> faust: no, i wouldn't think that.
Jan 23 04:45:11 <faust> i can't register at the door?
Jan 23 04:58:05 <jasta> i would not think so.
Jan 23 04:58:12 <jasta> there is limited seating, obviously.
Jan 23 05:02:23 <faust> would you mind telling me what time it is, so i can try to register at the door or do standing room?
Jan 23 05:02:53 <faust> i'd really like to go, but didn't see the posting until today =(
Jan 23 05:18:12 <jasta> faust: i don't know any details; i'm not going.
Jan 23 05:31:27 <faust> Oh well thanks for the advice. =)
Jan 23 05:31:37 <faust> This is a pretty quiet group...
Jan 23 06:18:47 <zando> any one tried adding their own font style in the notepad application
Jan 23 09:43:44 <sando> how to add own font stle
Jan 23 09:43:50 <sando> style
Jan 23 09:50:34 <guardian> morning
Jan 23 09:51:20 <cutmasta> morning
Jan 23 09:54:32 <Mathiasdm> hi
Jan 23 09:54:39 <Mathiasdm> I've been trying to get a simple sample working, that uses a LinearLayout with a background image, and that has a menu (nothing else is implemented yet, can't get much simpler)
Jan 23 09:54:44 <davidw> hey android dudes
Jan 23 09:54:57 <Mathiasdm> however, when I press the menu button, my menu won't appear :(
Jan 23 09:55:16 <Mathiasdm> I put the code on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m77bb0521
Jan 23 09:55:21 <davidw> I could show you how to do that in Hecl in 5 minutes:-)
Jan 23 09:56:25 <Mathiasdm> well, I'd prefer not to learn a new language for that :p
Jan 23 09:59:52 <davidw> well, if it makes you more productive, it's in your interests to do so
Jan 23 10:00:46 <Mathiasdm> you do have a point there
Jan 23 10:04:24 <davidw> anyone who can figure out Java can figure out Hecl because it's simpler and easier, which is part of the point
Jan 23 10:04:29 <Mathiasdm> hmm, it actually does look quite interesting, I think I'll bookmark the hecl website
Jan 23 10:04:38 <davidw> heck, once you see how it works, you can just translate it back to Java code:-)
Jan 23 10:05:10 <Mathiasdm> the thing is, using hecl won't solve my menu problem :(
Jan 23 10:05:14 <Mathiasdm> oh, afk
Jan 23 10:09:21 <davidw> what has a menu, the layout? I've implemented menus in Android Hecl and they work just fine.  Lots of other things don't, yet, because it's pretty alphaish, but menus do
Jan 23 10:13:00 <guardian> what nvidia brings to android ?
Jan 23 10:13:10 <guardian> they never release any driver for linux, i doubt they will open some code
Jan 23 10:15:08 <Mathiasdm> yes, the layout has a menu, but the menu doesn't appear, and I'm not sure why
Jan 23 16:45:34 <jasta> off to work after a very long vacation :(
Jan 23 16:45:53 <jasta> hopefully my gf will get the pictures off her camera today so I can show folks.  it was gorgeous :)
Jan 23 16:47:37 <Zer0Her0> hey jasta
Jan 23 16:47:44 <Zer0Her0> cool better post here ;)
Jan 23 16:49:45 <romainguy__> jasta: Where were you?
Jan 23 16:51:06 <jasta> romainguy__: http://www.wickinn.com
Jan 23 16:51:31 <jasta> it's on the far western edge of vancouver island, in bc.
Jan 23 16:52:00 <mike1o> how do I pass a parameter to an activity=
Jan 23 16:52:01 <mike1o> ?
Jan 23 16:53:03 <jasta> mike1o: Through the Intent in one way or another.  Usually, through the Intent's data section (the ContentURI).
Jan 23 16:53:37 <jasta> but, you can also use the "extras" concept, which is basically a key/value pair of serializable primitives that you can pass.
Jan 23 16:53:38 <romainguy__> jasta: I've been there (not this inn, but the area)
Jan 23 16:54:08 <jasta> we kind of lucked out (if you can call it that).  went in the winter when the town is deserted, and all 3 days we were there were sunny and gorgeous.
Jan 23 16:54:21 <jasta> unfortunately, part of the reason we went was to see the winter storms so that was a bit disappointing.
Jan 23 16:54:31 <jasta> but at least we got to go to ucluelet and walk around the wild pacific trail and stuff.
Jan 23 16:55:40 <jasta> i gotta run to work, though :)
Jan 23 16:55:45 <jasta> ttyl
Jan 23 17:14:15 <Lede> romainguy__: awh
Jan 23 17:14:34 <romainguy__> Lede: ?
Jan 23 17:14:38 <Lede> romainguy__: will there ever be a "Code Day" in the netherlands?
Jan 23 17:14:57 <Lede> or only UK, IL, DE and US ?
Jan 23 17:15:03 <romainguy__> I have no idea, I'm just an engineer :)
Jan 23 17:16:25 <Lede> romainguy__: any idea if morildl will get online any time soon?
Jan 23 17:16:43 <romainguy__> Nope, sorry
Jan 23 17:16:57 <Lede> ok
Jan 23 17:16:59 * Lede grabs a bicycle and bikes to google HQ
Jan 23 17:17:26 <Zer0Her0> Lede: wow hardcore, biking from the netherlands?
Jan 23 17:17:56 <Lede> :P
Jan 23 17:19:19 <Lede> google maps will tell me to swim acros the atlantic
Jan 23 17:19:59 <Zer0Her0> haha
Jan 23 17:20:02 <Zer0Her0> true enough
Jan 23 17:20:44 <Lede> Zer0Her0: where are you located?
Jan 23 17:26:05 <Zer0Her0> NY, USA
Jan 23 17:26:32 <Zer0Her0> gotta run to lunch bbl
Jan 23 17:28:53 * Lede makes dinner
Jan 23 17:41:17 * davidw is thinking of going to the one in Munich
Jan 23 17:41:59 <davidw> jasta, isn't it kind of chilly and wet there at this time of year?
Jan 23 17:43:30 <davidw> my parents would love that place I bet
Jan 23 17:49:39 <Lede> davidw: you live in germany?
Jan 23 17:53:18 <davidw> no, Austria
Jan 23 17:53:48 <Lede> close enough
Jan 23 17:54:19 <Lede> from the netherlands it's a bit to far away
Jan 23 17:55:32 <davidw> yeah
Jan 23 17:55:36 <davidw> it's about a 2 hour drive
Jan 23 17:55:40 <davidw> I hope it's worthwhile!
Jan 23 18:39:21 <mike1o> can I register more than one receiver?
Jan 23 19:20:34 <guardian> good evening
Jan 23 19:23:53 <Lede> guardian: good evening
Jan 23 19:28:24 <jasta> davidw: It's supposed to be, and I was going to watch the winter storms initially.
Jan 23 19:28:38 <jasta> davidw: But it turned out to be beautiful and sunny the entire time.  Kind of a mixed blessing :)
Jan 23 19:29:08 <jasta> The hotel I was staying at is in an ideal place to watch the storms.  I guess they get like 10-20 foot waves crashing on the rocks right beneath your hotel room and stuff.  But I got sun :)
Jan 23 19:29:18 <davidw> watching winter storms...hrm
Jan 23 19:29:32 <davidw> couldn't you just pay to have someone throw ice water at you?
Jan 23 19:29:50 <jasta> Watching them from in your warm hotel room would be more pleasant.
Jan 23 19:30:06 <davidw> watching them on TV in hawaii would be even more so:->
Jan 23 19:30:14 <jasta> No, it wouldn't.
Jan 23 19:30:34 <jasta> I had a great time, despite your cynicism :)
Jan 23 19:31:05 <davidw> I grew up in Oregon... I had enough rain.  I think there's a reason many people in my family ended up in arizona over the years;-)
Jan 23 19:31:39 <davidw> and now here I am in austria...argh
Jan 23 19:50:03 <faust> Anyone know what time the campfire is?
Jan 23 20:21:23 <mike1o> anyone know the correct action for receiving IM messages?
Jan 23 20:24:15 <mike1o> where's the campfire?
Jan 23 20:27:25 <Lede> mountain view, california afaik
Jan 23 20:28:25 <Lede> morrildl: will there be "Code Day" in the netherlands
Jan 23 20:29:13 <faust> Lede do you know what time the campfire?
Jan 23 20:29:22 <morrildl> Lede: not in this first round :(
Jan 23 20:35:08 <jasta> what, no announcement of a Seattle venture? :)
Jan 23 20:35:44 <faust> jasta what do you mean?
Jan 23 20:36:33 <jasta> they announced the code days in Boston, London, Isreal, and Germany.
Jan 23 20:36:42 <jasta> Israel*
Jan 23 20:36:47 <jasta> but not in Seattle :)
Jan 23 20:39:19 <mike1o> do u have any urls?
Jan 23 20:40:08 <jasta> it's on the Android blog.
Jan 23 20:40:24 <romainguy> morrildl: How many external developers are coming to the Campfire?
Jan 23 20:41:54 <faust> can anyone tell me what time the campfire is today in mountain view? I'd like to try to register at the door
Jan 23 20:45:49 <morrildl> romainguy: About 85
Jan 23 20:46:08 <morrildl> faust: Unfortunately, we are at full capacity, and we can't accommodate registrations at the door
Jan 23 20:47:37 <faust> oh that's unfortunate thanks though
Jan 23 20:53:14 <Lede> faust: no idea
Jan 23 20:53:22 <Lede> morrildl: to bad :(
Jan 23 20:54:03 <Lede> (sorry for the slow response)
Jan 23 21:01:24 <glen_quagmire> give me an idea for the contest
Jan 23 21:01:48 <jasta> is this a stick up?
Jan 23 21:02:18 <glen_quagmire> nevermind. dead line is march. i don't think i can finish anything
Jan 23 21:02:33 <jasta> no, probably not.
Jan 23 21:06:24 <michaelnovakjr> we need a campfire in new york city
Jan 23 21:09:01 <glen_quagmire> why so?
Jan 23 21:10:08 <Lede> glen_quagmire: hey
Jan 23 21:10:13 <Lede> i'm here!
Jan 23 21:10:29 <glen_quagmire> Lede: really?
Jan 23 21:10:54 <glen_quagmire> i need to get a mentor for term project. and i thought i'd use android
Jan 23 21:12:00 <Lede> you can still use android..
Jan 23 21:13:20 <glen_quagmire> eclipse is slow. i give up
Jan 23 21:13:36 <Zer0Her0> wow 12 minutes
Jan 23 21:13:41 <Zer0Her0> ...new record?
Jan 23 21:14:10 <Lede> Zer0Her0: glen_quagmire likes to troll ..
Jan 23 21:15:17 <Zer0Her0> ah
Jan 23 21:15:19 <Zer0Her0> ok
Jan 23 21:15:44 <glen_quagmire> i have 512mb memory. it reads harddisk madly
Jan 23 21:16:24 <glen_quagmire> did you use speech recognition thingy?
Jan 23 21:32:35 <mike1o> how do I scroll a listview backwards?
Jan 23 21:35:45 <zhobbs> does the emulator on other people's box sit and chug 30% cpu even when idle?
Jan 23 21:39:05 <jasta> zhobbs: no.
Jan 23 21:43:23 <davidw> glen_quagmire, use emacs, dude
Jan 23 21:44:07 <glen_quagmire> davidw: i find emacs hard to use
Jan 23 21:44:28 <davidw> huh.  I find it hard to not use emacs.
Jan 23 21:45:20 <zhobbs> do shared preferences get reset everytime the apk is installed?
Jan 23 21:45:49 <zhobbs> seems like it...which could be a problem when upgrading apps
Jan 23 21:55:02 <SR71-Blackbird> hey
Jan 23 21:55:16 <SR71-Blackbird> how do you show a file in ImageView from the directory
Jan 23 21:55:20 <SR71-Blackbird> ?
Jan 23 22:03:36 <jasta> huh?
Jan 23 22:06:46 <Android001> helloooooooooo
Jan 23 22:07:56 <zhobbs> SR71-Blackbird, what dir?
Jan 23 22:08:20 <SR71-Blackbird> zhobbs, the ./files/ temp dir
Jan 23 22:09:22 <SR71-Blackbird> zhobbs, as in /data/data/<appname>/files/
Jan 23 22:10:02 <zhobbs> might be able to use setImageURL(file://foo.bar)
Jan 23 22:10:09 <zhobbs> sorry, setImageURI
Jan 23 22:10:23 <zhobbs> or maybe it's file://files/foo.bar
Jan 23 22:25:01 <jasta> no, you can't do that.
Jan 23 22:26:01 <jasta> SR71-Blackbird: There are many ways to load an image, and many ways to store it along with your application.  If the content is static, package it with your application and load it using a resource id.
Jan 23 22:26:37 <jasta> If it is dynamic, but is private to your application, you can use BitmapFactory and FileInputStream to read, format, and display it.
Jan 23 22:26:43 <SR71-Blackbird> jasta, i know.. i'm trying to save a image from the camera and access it
Jan 23 22:26:49 <jasta> If you want to expose it via a ContentProvider, that is possible as well, however more complex.
Jan 23 22:27:42 <jasta> SR71-Blackbird: For that, you would want to use a ContentProvider.  Look at the existing media/images content providers.
Jan 23 22:28:00 <SR71-Blackbird> jasta, I managed to save from the cameradevice into files/sth.png and now I need to access it with the parent directory
Jan 23 22:28:12 <jasta> But if you're interested in just "making it work", use BitmapFactory.
Jan 23 22:29:11 <jasta> look at ApplicationContext#openFileInput as well.
Jan 23 22:29:23 <jasta> btw, this is all covered in the documentation.  dig a little deeper.
Jan 23 22:29:29 <SR71-Blackbird> jasta, was contemplating that..
Jan 23 22:31:02 <SR71-Blackbird> jasta, i tried to access it by making a drawable and tried to load it by setting setImageDrawable..
Jan 23 22:31:16 <SR71-Blackbird> doesn't seem to be working..
Jan 23 22:34:32 <SR71-Blackbird> jasta, pretty easy.. heh... just needed to use the full path..
Jan 23 22:36:35 <jasta> Ugh, no you don't.
Jan 23 22:37:03 <zhobbs> hehe, full path is bad
Jan 23 23:37:06 <jasta> aww crud.  i just signed myself up for a ton of work :)
Jan 23 23:38:20 <The_PHP_Jedi> hopefully you'll get rewarded appropiately :)
Jan 24 00:31:34 <TimRiker> hmm. so what if I make it to Google's campus early? (like now) Should I look for building 42 early?
Jan 24 00:31:44 * TimRiker is out on the road checking email.
Jan 24 00:32:40 * TimRiker spent the last few hours at the computer history museum. very cool stuff.
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Jan 24 01:58:08 <jasta> teehee
Jan 24 01:58:13 <jasta> this code is awful ;)
Jan 24 01:59:10 <jasta> oh well.  damn google for putting such a hard deadline :)
Jan 24 02:00:12 <jerkface03> hard deadline and still no nio
Jan 24 02:03:59 <romainguy> jerkface03: Do you have to use nio?
Jan 24 02:04:10 <jerkface03> yes.
Jan 24 02:04:13 <jerkface03> i dont know how this is news to anyone
Jan 24 02:04:14 <romainguy> How come?
Jan 24 02:04:20 <jerkface03> i've been complaining about it here since before the competition
Jan 24 02:04:23 <romainguy> I know
Jan 24 02:04:28 <jerkface03> pft im not going to tlel you my super secret idea :/
Jan 24 02:04:40 <jerkface03> you'll have to wait and see
Jan 24 02:04:46 <romainguy> jerkface03: Then I can't support your case for you...
Jan 24 02:04:55 <romainguy> I'm just curious as to why you cannot use the old IO APIs
Jan 24 02:05:19 <jerkface03> sure, thats one way to see it
Jan 24 02:05:20 <jerkface03> or
Jan 24 02:05:24 <jerkface03> how about seeing it this way
Jan 24 02:05:31 <jerkface03> you documented it, so why don't you implement it
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