**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 29 02:59:57 2008 Jan 29 05:11:49 re Jan 29 07:33:30 does anyone know how to "refresh" their android image? Jan 29 07:34:09 mine seems to have become corrupt,all the apps cant seem to run the createDatabase or openDatabase methods :( Jan 29 07:34:59 jtoy: just rm the apk. Jan 29 07:36:01 ok, I'll try that Jan 29 07:43:46 uninstalling didnt help Jan 29 07:44:07 wtf, all my apps where working before, now they all die on the exact same line of code Jan 29 08:19:23 how can I totally erase the android image? Jan 29 09:36:12 hey, anyone else here in Munich? Jan 29 09:38:41 * davidw is at the developer thing in Munich... morrild is introducing android Jan 29 09:41:39 hi Jan 29 09:42:05 i wonder if there's any documentation/guideline for me to follow to build myself? Jan 29 09:42:21 i mean ... webkit Jan 29 09:44:17 * kennyyu is stuck by the Android building work... :-( Jan 29 09:50:04 davidw hi - i'm here Jan 29 09:57:58 cool Jan 29 09:58:15 hello? Jan 29 09:59:21 kennyyu, all you have to do is type 'ant' in your application, it's really easy Jan 29 09:59:52 ant? sorry... you mean where? Jan 29 10:00:23 I've downloaded webkit on the google's website, but i don't know how to build it Jan 29 10:01:00 and should i install android sdk binary first before i try to build the webkit? Jan 29 10:03:29 kennyyu, you need to read the docs. Jan 29 10:04:37 sorry... I mean the webkit source code but not the usual appliations... actually i tried to find but I cannot find any docs that is related to how webkit is built in android... :-( I'm also sorry having made the troubles Jan 29 10:05:55 if you have some, mind you kindly let me know? thanks! Jan 29 10:08:18 there are no sources for android yet Jan 29 10:08:31 so that means there is no public build system for their integration of webkit Jan 29 10:11:04 oops, I just thought these are the source codes for Android system and webkit engine... http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list Jan 29 10:12:02 java is so painful..... :( Jan 29 10:27:07 jtoy, use Hecl:-) Jan 29 10:28:25 davidw: is that what you are using? Jan 29 10:28:39 I'm writing it and using it Jan 29 10:29:10 how is it speed wise compared to the regular android apps? it probably makes your apps huge? Jan 29 10:29:42 not huge - bigger, and a bit slower, but much faster to prototype Jan 29 10:29:47 your basic scripting language tradeoff Jan 29 10:30:05 it's usable on a nokia 3100, which is far slower than what android will run on Jan 29 10:30:47 davidw: i was looking into scala, but it adds about 3 megs to the app :( not sure on the speed though Jan 29 10:31:08 wow Jan 29 10:31:12 hecl is way smaller Jan 29 10:31:28 76K for the demo app Jan 29 10:31:37 of course, Scala is much fancier as a language Jan 29 10:32:30 I'm coming form ruby, so the java code is very painful for me Jan 29 10:32:53 understandable:-) Jan 29 10:35:24 it's so s...l....o....w.... to write Jan 29 10:35:59 Hecl is still pretty alphaish on Android, but it's much more pleasant (I think at least), but I'm biased Jan 29 10:36:01 davidw what am i missing? ;) Jan 29 10:36:26 kristian-m, some guy asking about MMS... Jan 29 10:37:01 davidw hmmmpf weel, if you need it - so can android handle thaat? - i would think not, right? Jan 29 10:37:14 sure it can, says dan Jan 29 10:37:35 kay Jan 29 10:38:40 talking about intents and how to interrupt possibly 'annoying' things like an mp3 when a call comes in Jan 29 10:39:56 custom out of memory handler that understands android to kill things Jan 29 10:42:35 minimum system requirements: 200mhz arm 9 core, 64 megs of memory Jan 29 10:42:48 wifi, bluetooth, sd cards (maybe not core?) Jan 29 10:43:03 yes, extremely slow to write Jan 29 10:44:01 minimum resolution? doesn't require anything Jan 29 10:44:34 320x240 is what it will probably be Jan 29 10:45:31 (minimum) Jan 29 10:50:45 "languages other than java?" Jan 29 10:50:49 dan smiles Jan 29 10:51:49 ... dalvik ... Jan 29 10:51:54 looks like things go through there Jan 29 10:53:34 dalvik is a prefork model Jan 29 10:54:04 forks and launches apps Jan 29 10:54:24 open binder Jan 29 11:11:20 open binder? Jan 29 14:35:40 ::happy dance:: they have extended the challenge deadline! Jan 29 16:48:14 hello android world Jan 29 16:49:52 hi Jan 29 16:50:59 I am having real problems to debug my android app Jan 29 16:51:12 I am using Eclipse and when I try to debug it Jan 29 16:51:25 it always seem to "crash" in a place outside my code Jan 29 16:53:04 ok, fudnd it Jan 29 17:01:40 excited about the deadline extension? Jan 29 17:12:12 anyone write a mail client for the android challenge? Jan 29 17:27:48 michaelnovakjr: "deadline extension" or "we have internal problems so we pretend to extend the deadline" Jan 29 17:29:35 i think it's the latter Jan 29 17:32:09 either way, it works out for us! Jan 29 17:33:39 i think it is safe to expect the deadline to be "moved" again in april Jan 29 17:34:55 works out...i figured I wouldn't have time so I hadn't done much of anything, but I am definitely gearing up to get something done Jan 29 17:42:38 i am more concerned about the handset availability "deadline" being moved out. Jan 29 17:43:07 good point... the HTC Touch should support it correct? Jan 29 17:45:31 * Lede lost even more trust in google android Jan 29 17:46:02 they are doing what some companies have spent many many years doing Jan 29 17:46:18 and they are doing a good job so far, delays are to be expected Jan 29 17:46:39 if there weren't any delays or major fixes I would be worried to run that on my phone :) Jan 29 17:47:52 well i could have been taking a vacation for 4 days instead of coding to try to meet the deadline a couple weeks ago Jan 29 17:48:25 and how did they count votes? they didnt Jan 29 17:48:28 ok, but you should be all set to go when the deadline is close and not rush like some folks will have too Jan 29 17:48:34 they jsut decided it was needed to extend it Jan 29 17:57:27 but what can i say, a lot of people seem to enjoy it when companies fuck them over :) Jan 29 17:57:39 phew....long day Jan 29 17:57:47 hey davidw Jan 29 17:57:58 hi Jan 29 18:04:35 Lede: The next SDK will contain many changes, some in the APIs themselves (method renamed for instance), and the extra time will definitely be useful to adapt application to the new SDK Jan 29 18:08:49 so....when will we know what's in the next SDK? it would be helpful if we knew what was coming, even with caveats applied Jan 29 18:12:36 romainguy_: right Jan 29 18:12:40 i don't agree though Jan 29 18:22:08 when will android get out of early look status? Jan 29 18:22:33 parti, it's evolving Jan 29 18:22:51 they keep talking about "hardware in the 2nd half of this year" Jan 29 18:22:57 im scared to start developing too serious ;p Jan 29 18:23:17 forget developing too serious.... I am afraid to get a new handset! Jan 29 18:36:59 developing i don't mind, I just need a new phone and don't know when is a safe time to buy one Jan 29 18:37:41 michaelnovakjr, have the same problem:-) Jan 29 18:39:12 i like the HTC Touch... nice phone Jan 29 21:07:23 so i understand that the new SDK will have a new "UI". Jan 29 21:08:39 http://jars.de/java/android-workshop-in-munich Jan 29 21:10:47 haha i was like why do i know the presenter Jan 29 21:10:52 then i realized he's from the videos ;) Jan 29 21:15:45 i'm excited for the new SDK :) Jan 29 21:20:58 howdy ho Jan 29 21:21:29 cool... I recognize those pictures:-) Jan 29 21:21:46 how do I set the HTTPS proxy for android? Jan 29 21:22:15 http://journal.dedasys.com/articles/2008/01/29/munich-android-mobile-meeting-report Jan 29 21:22:20 I didn't take any pictures though Jan 29 21:28:14 it's the google spybots Jan 29 21:33:03 hey google guys - how much of the UI changes affect the underlying API? a lot? a little? Jan 29 21:36:30 skicson: there are API changes we did to cleanup the API Jan 29 21:38:09 romainguy: thanks Jan 29 21:45:31 skicson: Thanks? did he answer your question? Jan 29 21:54:48 jasta: it didn't sound like a complete rearchitecture of the API, so yeah that was what i was trying to understand Jan 29 22:03:52 Ahh, well, I wouldn't assume that in 2 months they'd rearchitect their API :) Jan 29 22:06:17 hi dims Jan 29 22:46:14 did i read this right? they've extended the deadline by 6 weeks? Jan 29 23:22:37 i just noticed that the documentation bundled with m3-rc37a (current) shows rc38 in the bottom hehe. Jan 29 23:38:24 The web site doc says this now......"Build m3-rc44 - 28 Jan 2008 9:48"........??? Jan 30 00:24:48 nicocin: Yeah, but they've done that since day 1. Publish a newer version of the docs than the SDK itself. Jan 30 00:25:52 ok....never really looked till you talked about the docs in the bundled Jan 30 00:59:40 i think i'll rewrite this crap syncml client library i have created in light of the deadline extension :) Jan 30 01:48:32 how exactly does the layout/viewgroup know how to switch between views, and when to pass down the keyevent to the view that it's intended for, rather than consuming the key event itself for switching purposes? Jan 30 01:48:58 jerkface03: what do you mean by "switch between views"? Jan 30 01:49:59 well a layout needs to be able to switch the current focus between all of it's children Jan 30 01:50:00 right? Jan 30 01:50:11 that's how it works, right? layouts contain a bunch of different views Jan 30 01:50:22 Ah ok, you were talking about the focus Jan 30 01:50:41 Presumably that's the point of the return value from the onKey events. Jan 30 01:50:45 so lets say you have a spinner view that consumes left/right events Jan 30 01:50:54 but your layout also uses left/right events to switch focus Jan 30 01:51:02 then your spinner would never get those left/right events? Jan 30 01:51:16 osnap Jan 30 01:51:17 it's actually the contrary Jan 30 01:51:18 there's a return value? Jan 30 01:51:19 sec. Jan 30 01:52:08 wait so your spinner would consume the events and it wouldn't go to the layout? Jan 30 01:52:19 that's right Jan 30 01:52:22 and that's what it does Jan 30 01:52:40 onKeyDown/onKeyUp -- when its true it means it was consumer Jan 30 01:52:44 consumed* Jan 30 01:52:47 if not, then false? Jan 30 01:52:52 yes Jan 30 01:53:09 k that makes sense Jan 30 01:53:10 thanks. Jan 30 02:15:10 ContentProvider's are a real bitch to write :) Jan 30 02:32:07 jasta, I agree Jan 30 02:50:58 hello android world! Jan 30 02:51:43 hello! Jan 30 02:57:47 Are you the HelloAndroid.com guy? Jan 30 02:58:11 haha Jan 30 02:59:01 doing well, happy about the challenge deadline extension **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 30 02:59:56 2008