**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 08 02:59:56 2008
Feb 08 03:54:21 <chadkouse> anyone awake ?
Feb 08 03:54:48 <romainguy> yes
Feb 08 03:55:25 <chadkouse> do you know why android:textColor might be ignored (I have a theme applied to a whole screen
Feb 08 03:55:33 <chadkouse> do you have to like tell it to override the Theme ?
Feb 08 04:27:22 <jerkface03> Canvas.translate(float,float) adjusts the origin of the canvas?
Feb 08 06:53:51 <jerkface03> anyone play around with passing your java code thru proguard before converting it to android bytecode?
Feb 08 10:26:07 <jtoy> anyone around?
Feb 08 10:26:49 <jtoy> does anyone know where I can find this? " the NullPointerException log"
Feb 08 10:27:10 <davidw> it's not in 'logcat' ?
Feb 08 10:31:23 <jtoy> I do have a Logcat window, but it doesnt say anything about the line number of where the exception is happenning
Feb 08 10:31:43 <jtoy> I just see the columns: Time,pid,tag,Message
Feb 08 10:33:45 <jtoy> how can I know what line is causing my code to die at? I thought logcat would be the correct place to look
Feb 08 10:35:44 <davidw> maybe you need to compile with debugging symbols
Feb 08 10:36:04 <davidw> catch it, and do a printStackTrace()....errr...wait, never mind
Feb 08 10:36:09 <davidw> damn Log vs stderr
Feb 08 10:36:24 <davidw> somewhere in Hecl I wrote code to dump a stack trace to Log
Feb 08 10:36:49 <davidw>     public static void logStacktrace(Exception e) {
Feb 08 10:36:49 <davidw> 	Log.v("stacktrace", e.toString());
Feb 08 10:36:49 <davidw> 	StackTraceElement elements[] = e.getStackTrace();
Feb 08 10:36:49 <davidw> 	for (int i = 0; i < elements.length ; i ++) {
Feb 08 10:36:49 <davidw> 	    Log.v("stacktrace", elements[i].toString());
Feb 08 10:36:50 <davidw> 	}
Feb 08 10:36:52 <davidw>     }
Feb 08 10:37:40 <jtoy> ok, I'll try that
Feb 08 10:40:26 <jtoy> im still learning java :(,  would I  make a class for that method and include that class everywhere to use that logging?
Feb 08 10:41:37 <davidw> you might try using Hecl
Feb 08 10:41:39 <davidw> it's easier
Feb 08 10:42:15 <jtoy> davidw: haha, ok, I'll give it a try soon
Feb 08 10:42:23 <jtoy> how is  the work coming on it anyway?
Feb 08 10:42:44 <davidw> pretty well
Feb 08 10:43:03 <davidw> trying to get this xmpp stuff going
Feb 08 10:43:29 <jtoy> do you know what they mean in the docs by saying that always one xmpp connection will be kept?
Feb 08 10:45:27 <davidw> where?
Feb 08 10:45:49 <jtoy> let me see in docs, hold on
Feb 08 10:47:06 <jtoy> http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/google-apis.html:   The system currently maintains a single XMPP connection to the server, and all XMPP traffic — including both standard XMPP instant messages, and this P2P message-passing system — is carried on the same connection.
Feb 08 10:47:20 <jtoy> does that mean a gtalk account is always associated with the phone?
Feb 08 10:48:49 <davidw> that seems odd, because you'd have to log into it with your google credentials
Feb 08 10:48:53 <davidw> so I'm not really sure
Feb 08 10:50:00 <jtoy> im sure that would be  huge battery drain also
Feb 08 10:52:55 <davidw> dammit... even dims' example isn't working
Feb 08 10:55:13 <jtoy> how does sms work so that it can receive messages but doesnt kill the battery  where wifi will kll the battery with an open connection?
Feb 08 10:55:52 <Stephmw> wifi isn't passive iirc
Feb 08 10:55:58 <Stephmw> sms reception can be
Feb 08 10:58:04 <jtoy> I'm not exactly sure what that means, but would android keeping a single xmpp connection always open solve the problem?
Feb 08 10:58:19 <jtoy> if so, that would be awesome
Feb 08 10:59:29 <davidw> if they're clever, maybe they can play tricks to keep the socket open without generating any traffic
Feb 08 10:59:56 <davidw> the things are always in contact with base stations, so it's not like they don't do anything ever
Feb 08 11:00:07 <Stephmw> not forever... GPRS leases expire after a period of inactivity
Feb 08 11:00:25 <Stephmw> and normally you don't get notified it's expired
Feb 08 11:03:12 <jtoy> hmm, thats too bad, I wonder if that is the same with 3G+ technologies
Feb 08 11:03:57 <jtoy> it would be great to have real time applications work on the phone that interact online and notify you immediately
Feb 08 13:10:48 <dims> davidw: what's not working?
Feb 08 13:43:35 <dims> hi tmarble
Feb 08 13:43:55 <tmarble> dims: hello
Feb 08 13:44:19 <davidw> dims, hey
Feb 08 13:44:27 <davidw> dims, your gtalk example... it's odd...
Feb 08 13:44:34 <davidw> just says xmpp not connected
Feb 08 13:44:38 <davidw> nothing in the logs
Feb 08 14:08:09 <davidw> without more information, it's hard to really say what's wrong, I guess
Feb 08 15:18:29 <davidw> dims, what version of the sdk are you using?
Feb 08 15:23:26 <dims> i believe it was m3-rc37a. haven't touched android in a month now..
Feb 08 15:30:29 <davidw> sure, that's what I'm on...
Feb 08 15:30:44 <davidw> bizarre...I'll pester dan when he comes on line:-/  I'm sure it must be something stupid I'm doing
Feb 08 16:03:58 <chadkouse> morning!
Feb 08 16:04:23 <zhobbs> good morning
Feb 08 16:05:13 <chadkouse> going to look at creating a custom view for a horizontal progress bar / slider
Feb 08 16:06:40 <chadkouse> in case you were wondering ;)
Feb 08 16:08:59 <chadkouse> zhobbs: I had a question for you -- In your musicdroid application you are applying a theme (the dark theme)
Feb 08 16:09:20 <chadkouse> is it not possible to override the textColor of a TextView inside of a themed screen ?
Feb 08 16:09:36 <chadkouse> I was trying to set the textColor of one of my TextViews to another color and it always came out white
Feb 08 16:12:14 <zhobbs> chadkouse, yeah, I think it's a bug
Feb 08 16:12:22 <chadkouse> oh ok...
Feb 08 16:12:26 <chadkouse> that would make more sense :)
Feb 08 16:12:31 <zhobbs> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=149
Feb 08 16:12:40 <zhobbs> I submitted it as a bug
Feb 08 16:13:05 <chadkouse> I was even talking about like when you define the element in your layout xm
Feb 08 16:13:06 <chadkouse> xml
Feb 08 16:13:12 <chadkouse> doesn't work there either.
Feb 08 16:13:16 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
Feb 08 16:13:17 <zhobbs> ther
Feb 08 16:13:24 <zhobbs> woops
Feb 08 16:13:36 <zhobbs> hey michaelnovakjr
Feb 08 16:13:46 <michaelnovakjr> how's it going
Feb 08 16:14:21 <zhobbs> it's going...
Feb 08 16:14:33 <zhobbs> crunch time with this app
Feb 08 16:14:37 <michaelnovakjr> yea same here
Feb 08 16:14:52 <michaelnovakjr> anyone try any GPS related stuff with android?
Feb 08 16:15:36 <zhobbs> yeah, mock location providers and stuff
Feb 08 16:15:40 <davidw> yep
Feb 08 16:16:00 <davidw> Now, with Exciting Hecl Sprinkles in 10 mouth watering flavors!
Feb 08 16:16:14 <michaelnovakjr> did you have to do anything special in terms of testing GPS functionality?
Feb 08 16:18:03 <davidw> what do you mean?
Feb 08 16:22:16 <michaelnovakjr> I am attempting to test location based stuff and I want to test pulling my location
Feb 08 16:24:11 <zhobbs> you can create a route in google earth and save the kml
Feb 08 16:25:13 <jasta> phew, finally back from Atlanta
Feb 08 16:25:33 <jasta> never seen so many waffle houses in my life :)
Feb 08 16:38:13 <michaelnovakjr> mmmm, waffles
Feb 08 16:41:25 <michaelnovakjr> anyone working on client-server apps for android?
Feb 08 16:42:51 <zhobbs> thinking about working on one
Feb 08 16:43:40 <jasta> i am.
Feb 08 17:07:12 <michaelnovakjr> any of them SOA based?
Feb 08 17:09:00 <morrildl> ahhhh, Atlanta
Feb 08 17:09:34 <zhobbs> that's the south there
Feb 08 17:10:07 <zhobbs> I live south of the south (fl)
Feb 08 17:20:10 <davidw> jasta, how's atlanta?
Feb 08 17:20:19 * davidw thinks he may have been through the airport once...
Feb 08 17:31:15 * davidw is thinking about moving ... again ...
Feb 08 17:32:01 <davidw> morrildl, would you happen to have an idea why my XMPP service is 'not connected' ?
Feb 08 17:32:11 <morrildl> hmm
Feb 08 17:32:15 <davidw> I'm using dims' code: http://davanum.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/totally-unofficial-android-gtalk-client-sendreceive-xmpp-messages/
Feb 08 17:34:07 <davidw> nothing in the logs... it's all kind of weird.  It must be something stupid I'm doing
Feb 08 17:37:20 <morrildl> are you logged in?
Feb 08 17:38:04 <davidw> that sounds like a something stupid that might be missing... logged in where?
Feb 08 17:39:02 <morrildl> Applications > Dev Tools > XMPP Settings I believe
Feb 08 17:40:29 <davidw> damn... yeah that was it
Feb 08 17:40:33 <davidw> thanks!
Feb 08 17:43:16 <morrildl> np
Feb 08 17:43:48 <morrildl> The XMPP service is getting some substantial changes & improvements in the next SDK
Feb 08 17:45:15 <davidw> anything you can give us a rough idea about?
Feb 08 17:46:05 <davidw> I can't wait to see the source code... I think it'll be pretty amazing what people will be able to do with access to that, given what's already been done in a short time without it
Feb 08 17:49:31 <zhobbs> the source will be nice
Feb 08 17:51:27 <romainguy_> davidw: Instead of the source what you really want is solid documentation
Feb 08 17:51:42 <davidw> nah, I want both:-)
Feb 08 17:52:27 <davidw> I've found bugs in things like libc before, and hacked on the kernel, and been able to discover how things worked too many times to not want both
Feb 08 17:52:38 <morrildl> romainguy_:  heh, *I* want the source, too :)
Feb 08 17:52:52 * romainguy_ is looking at the source right now
Feb 08 17:52:52 <romainguy_> :)
Feb 08 17:53:06 <morrildl> romainguy_: Also, are you implying our documentation isn't solid now?
Feb 08 17:53:43 * morrildl is also looking at the source, but can't really DO anything with it (except what The Man tells me to) because it's not mine and not open ;)
Feb 08 17:53:45 <zhobbs> Does google currently maintain any open source projects?
Feb 08 17:53:52 <morrildl> zhobbs: oh goodness
Feb 08 17:53:54 <morrildl> yes :)
Feb 08 17:54:15 <morrildl> zhobbs: http://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=google&btn=Search+Projects
Feb 08 17:54:41 <zhobbs> morrildl, but google maintains/develops the codebase?
Feb 08 17:54:48 <morrildl> GWT
Feb 08 17:55:01 <morrildl> Guice, although that's actually semi-independent
Feb 08 17:55:14 <zhobbs> ok, cool...just wondering if it's something you guys have done before
Feb 08 17:55:23 <morrildl> Gears
Feb 08 17:55:30 <morrildl> can't believe I forgot Gears :)
Feb 08 17:55:54 <romainguy_> morrildl: I'm saying I still have a lot of javadocs to write :)
Feb 08 17:56:20 <morrildl> zhobbs: this one's kind of neat: http://code.google.com/p/google-collections/
Feb 08 17:56:45 <davidw> maybe it's a bit of a desperation thing, but I've actually been quite pleased with all the open source stuff coming out of/being supported by yahoo as of late
Feb 08 17:57:04 <morrildl> Yeah, Yahoo does some good stuff
Feb 08 17:57:55 <davidw> I guess that's about to fall into the gaping maw of redmond... oh well, c'est la vie
Feb 08 17:59:11 <cybereagle> i can see it now: "ok, msn search still sucks compared to google. how can we improve things?" "well.. we could buy yahoo" "yeah, that sounds easy, lets do that"
Feb 08 18:00:13 <davidw> hi pandora--
Feb 08 18:32:31 <pandora--> hey david__
Feb 08 18:32:34 <pandora--> hows it goin?
Feb 08 18:35:03 <davidw> alright
Feb 08 18:37:39 <pandora--> tryin to think of a good android app to write..
Feb 08 18:38:08 <pandora--> now that I'm not working at zannel I can't use their webservices to make a cool android-zannel app
Feb 08 18:39:58 <davidw> oh, you left that place?
Feb 08 18:40:42 <zhobbs> morrildl, will it be possible for judges to test apps that have 2 phones interacting?
Feb 08 18:41:14 <chadkouse> I'd imagine...
Feb 08 18:41:27 * davidw thinks of two phones with little tin-can+string animations
Feb 08 18:41:56 <zhobbs> :)
Feb 08 18:42:05 <davidw> it could use the location thing to determine when the string is taut
Feb 08 18:42:13 <chadkouse> zhobbs: do you know if album art is available through jlibid3 ?
Feb 08 18:42:34 <zhobbs> I don't think so
Feb 08 18:42:41 <chadkouse> ok...
Feb 08 18:42:45 <zhobbs> chadkouse, you run linux?
Feb 08 18:42:48 * chadkouse is used to working on the iPhone
Feb 08 18:42:51 <chadkouse> zhobbs: mac
Feb 08 18:42:58 <chadkouse> so.. kinda
Feb 08 18:43:02 <zhobbs> ahh...Amarok is a greak mp3 player for linux
Feb 08 18:43:19 <zhobbs> fetches album art, and I was thinking a plugin for your site would be really handy
Feb 08 18:43:42 <zhobbs> has a pretty decent plugin architecture
Feb 08 18:44:24 * morrildl wishes he could run Amarok on his Mac
Feb 08 18:44:34 <morrildl> Amarok is fabulous, better than iTunes IMO
Feb 08 18:45:16 <chadkouse> yeah...
Feb 08 18:45:25 <chadkouse> where does it get the artwork from?  I was thinking Amazson
Feb 08 18:45:27 <chadkouse> Amazon
Feb 08 18:45:35 <zhobbs> yea
Feb 08 18:45:44 <zhobbs> amazon
Feb 08 18:45:45 <chadkouse> oh I've done that before.. that's what I was going to do with this Player
Feb 08 18:46:23 <zhobbs> there used to be some weird licensing things where it's have to refetch it every 30 days...but seems like it doesn't do that anymore
Feb 08 18:47:00 <chadkouse> yeah I was reading about it a few months back and it's like they are fine with it now :)
Feb 08 18:47:11 <chadkouse> I'm going to do it
Feb 08 18:47:40 <zhobbs> morrildl, might be possible to get amarok eventually... http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/KDE_on_Mac_OS_X
Feb 08 18:48:00 <morrildl> coool
Feb 08 18:49:35 <pandora--> davidw: nah didnt leave, they "laid me off" :(
Feb 08 18:49:45 <davidw> doh:-( sorry to hear it
Feb 08 18:51:04 <davidw> time to start your own thing:-)
Feb 08 19:00:55 <davidw> sweet...sent an xmpp thing with hecl
Feb 08 19:01:03 <zhobbs> nice
Feb 08 19:03:02 <davidw> now... how to receive them... that's the tricky part I guess
Feb 08 19:06:22 <skicson> put a observer on Im.Messages content provider
Feb 08 19:07:57 <michaelnovakjr> it would be nice to actually be able to install this stuff on a device
Feb 08 19:09:35 <skicson> yeah, i worry about using fonts that are too small
Feb 08 19:09:41 <skicson> :-)
Feb 08 19:09:51 <michaelnovakjr> with my application i am worried about battery life and stuff like that
Feb 08 19:09:58 <michaelnovakjr> how efficient it is
Feb 08 19:10:09 <skicson> yeah, i worry about speed too
Feb 08 19:10:28 <michaelnovakjr> my looks for requests coming from an application server
Feb 08 19:11:02 <michaelnovakjr> data requests that is
Feb 08 19:11:39 <michaelnovakjr> kind of like receiving messages but in a different sense
Feb 08 19:12:02 <skicson> polling
Feb 08 19:13:02 <skicson> i can see where that might get expensive if done alot - but the phones are doing it pretty much constantly as it is
Feb 08 19:13:26 <michaelnovakjr> it'll be cool when the first round of the challenge is over
Feb 08 19:13:33 <michaelnovakjr> i am going to make all my code open source
Feb 08 19:14:15 <chadkouse> cool i have album art now :)
Feb 08 19:14:37 <zhobbs> chadkouse, damn...making quick progress
Feb 08 19:14:52 <chadkouse> heh.. yeah I even tinted it down so it sits behind the text on the screen nicely...
Feb 08 19:15:00 <zhobbs> remember, MusicDroid is GPL :)
Feb 08 19:15:32 <chadkouse> what does that mean ?
Feb 08 19:15:33 <zhobbs> actually, I should have included the license with the source...
Feb 08 19:15:43 <chadkouse> I thought projects built off of GPL projects could still be closed source
Feb 08 19:15:56 <cybereagle> not if they are public
Feb 08 19:15:59 <michaelnovakjr> yes, but you have to make the MusicDroid stuff available
Feb 08 19:16:17 <zhobbs> no, they can with apache or bsd, but GPL must stay open
Feb 08 19:16:25 <cybereagle> gpl == "copyleft"
Feb 08 19:16:36 <chadkouse> guess I'll have to rewrite the audio player toot hen
Feb 08 19:16:37 <chadkouse> then
Feb 08 19:16:44 <zhobbs> :)
Feb 08 19:16:51 <michaelnovakjr> why not just make the code open source?
Feb 08 19:16:57 <davidw> GPL is open source
Feb 08 19:17:02 <davidw> ugh
Feb 08 19:17:10 <chadkouse> just can't...  hard to explain...
Feb 08 19:17:16 <davidw> licensing discussions are boring... go read up on it on wikipedia or something:-)
Feb 08 19:17:16 <michaelnovakjr> that sucks
Feb 08 19:17:32 <chadkouse> yeah I know
Feb 08 19:17:43 <chadkouse> but our investors would have be hanged ;)
Feb 08 19:17:50 <chadkouse> s/be/me
Feb 08 19:17:56 <cybereagle> ahh, investors. figures
Feb 08 19:18:07 <michaelnovakjr> i hate investors
Feb 08 19:18:18 <chadkouse> but love their money
Feb 08 19:18:25 <michaelnovakjr> not even that
Feb 08 19:18:53 <michaelnovakjr> they don't care about the software, just about making a return
Feb 08 19:19:02 <zhobbs> can't sell the cow if you get the milk for free
Feb 08 19:19:04 <davidw> damn investors allowing people to do innovating things that require capital...
Feb 08 19:19:27 <michaelnovakjr> and then go ahead and lock it up
Feb 08 19:20:17 <chadkouse> is setVisibility on a view broken ?
Feb 08 19:20:38 <chadkouse> or maybe just broken when used with a Theme ?
Feb 08 20:10:26 <chadkouse> looks like I'm unable to use Amazon ECS webservices from within Android :(
Feb 08 20:13:10 <davidw> you want to use Amazon as a big disk for your mobile phone?:-)
Feb 08 20:14:02 <chadkouse> haha
Feb 08 20:22:41 <zhobbs> chadkouse, you might want to try to change the http useragent
Feb 08 20:23:00 <zhobbs> some websites block java*
Feb 08 20:23:11 <chadkouse> it wasn't even building
Feb 08 20:23:16 <chadkouse> but I'm already on to a workaround
Feb 08 20:30:38 <zhobbs> I gotta figure out a tab completion hack for sh on the terminal
Feb 08 20:36:52 <chadkouse> is there an easy way to download a file from the web using android ?
Feb 08 20:37:19 <zhobbs> binary or text?
Feb 08 20:37:24 <chadkouse> binar
Feb 08 20:37:45 <zhobbs> http://davanum.wordpress.com/2007/12/29/android-videomusic-player-sample-from-local-disk-as-well-as-remote-urls/
Feb 08 20:37:56 <zhobbs> that saves the file
Feb 08 20:40:11 <chadkouse> cool
Feb 08 20:40:28 <chadkouse> damn I've been to that site 3 times now and just didn't read
Feb 08 20:40:50 <zhobbs> yeah, dims has lots of good stuff up there
Feb 08 20:41:32 <zhobbs> too bad he got a real job or else it probably would keep coming :)
Feb 08 20:43:27 <dims> hehe
Feb 08 20:48:04 <zhobbs> dims: you going to submit anything for the ADC?
Feb 08 20:49:05 <chadkouse> zhobbs: hey it worked ;)
Feb 08 20:49:54 <zhobbs> nice
Feb 08 20:50:42 <chadkouse> does File.createTempFile not allow you to rename the file and keep it later ?
Feb 08 20:50:46 <chadkouse> I want to keep these files.
Feb 08 20:51:47 <zhobbs> Then use context.OpenFileInput I think
Feb 08 20:58:50 <chadkouse> just File.createNewFile()
Feb 08 20:59:24 <zhobbs> yeah, but you don't want to use an absolute path...you want to let your Context object figure out where your storage location is
Feb 08 20:59:37 <zhobbs> unless you're working on the /sdcard I guess
Feb 08 21:00:13 <chadkouse> yeah sd card.
Feb 08 21:00:34 <zhobbs> then you can probably use an absolute path
Feb 08 21:01:36 <dims> zhobbs: i don't think so.
Feb 08 21:01:57 <zhobbs> yeah, it's a lot of time to put in
Feb 08 21:02:19 <dims> yep!
Feb 08 21:03:56 <chadkouse> hmmm....
Feb 08 21:04:30 <chadkouse> ImageView.setImageURI doesn't seem to like URI's with spaces in them.
Feb 08 21:05:36 <zhobbs> hmm, wonder if there is a special character for spaces (like %20 in http querystrings)
Feb 08 21:07:10 <chadkouse> yeah maybe...
Feb 08 21:07:12 <chadkouse> or +
Feb 08 21:16:07 <chadkouse> albumArt.setImageBitmap(BitmapFactory.decode(currAlbumArtPath));
Feb 08 21:16:11 <chadkouse> worked better than
Feb 08 21:16:27 <chadkouse> albumArt.setImageURI(new ContentURI(currAlbumArtPath));
Feb 08 21:31:28 <chadkouse> zhobbs: i'm having a problem with MP3File -- only seems to be able to get info for the 1st song on my card
Feb 08 21:31:58 <chadkouse> ever experience it ?
Feb 08 21:32:31 <zhobbs> nope, sorry
Feb 08 21:32:49 <zhobbs> worked with all the mp3's I stuck on there..
Feb 08 21:32:52 <chadkouse> well I'm wrong actually.
Feb 08 21:33:10 <chadkouse> i removed the one it was working for, and now it just doesn't work for any of t hem.. but these songs all have ID3 tags.. hmm.
Feb 08 21:33:34 <zhobbs> on the playlist?
Feb 08 21:33:53 <chadkouse> yeah
Feb 08 21:34:00 <chadkouse> no.. on the playlist you don't see them either
Feb 08 21:34:01 <chadkouse> sorry
Feb 08 21:34:09 <chadkouse> they have id3 tags on my computer though
Feb 08 21:34:11 <chadkouse> I can see that.
Feb 08 21:34:23 <chadkouse> also once you start playing is there no way to get back to the song list currently ?
Feb 08 21:34:42 <zhobbs> you can hit the back button
Feb 08 21:35:02 <chadkouse> ahah.. ok..
Feb 08 21:35:09 <zhobbs> might be an issue with the ide3 version...I think it just checks for v1 tags
Feb 08 21:35:18 <zhobbs> could be wrong though
Feb 08 21:37:18 <chadkouse> hmm ok
Feb 08 21:39:46 <zhobbs> chadkouse: you need to publish a webservice/framework so people can whip up plugins for different music players, etc
Feb 08 21:40:31 <davidw> dims, how *did* you find that provider.Im thing - just decompiling the code?
Feb 08 21:40:57 <chadkouse> zhobbs: yeah I could see that....
Feb 08 21:41:02 <chadkouse> I'll see what the team thinks
Feb 08 22:04:29 <chadkouse> zhobbs: did you not build in support for ID3v2 tags because it's so much harder ;)
Feb 08 22:05:36 <chadkouse> or is jid3lib just not good at it?  I'm getting nothing.
Feb 08 22:08:43 <zhobbs> I didn't really research it very much
Feb 08 22:09:01 <zhobbs> I was hoping that using v1 would work for v2 tags, not sure if they're backwords compatible or not
Feb 08 22:09:58 <romainguy> zhobbs: v1 and v2 tags are very different
Feb 08 22:10:09 <romainguy> v1 tags are located at the top of the mp3 file and have fixed lengths
Feb 08 22:10:23 <romainguy> v2 tags are placed at the end of the file
Feb 08 22:12:09 <zhobbs> good to know
Feb 08 22:13:41 <chadkouse> romainguy:
Feb 08 22:13:53 <chadkouse> yeah but I'd expect jid3lib to just "work" when I ask for the song title.
Feb 08 22:13:57 <chadkouse> if it's in any of the tag formats
Feb 08 22:14:09 <romainguy> chadkouse: that is another issue :)
Feb 08 22:17:18 <jerkface03> Does anyone know how to reset the clipRect for a canvas to nothing?
Feb 08 22:17:29 <jerkface03> Is the only way to do it to call save() and restore()?
Feb 08 22:17:33 <romainguy> why would you want to do that?
Feb 08 22:17:54 <jerkface03> Well one component draws to the canvas, and wants to use a certain clip
Feb 08 22:18:03 <jerkface03> another component might want to use the whole canvas
Feb 08 22:18:17 <jerkface03> does clipRect(null) do it?
Feb 08 22:18:25 <jerkface03> or will that give me an NPE?
Feb 08 22:22:31 <zhobbs> you could clipRect the whole thing
Feb 08 22:22:53 <romainguy> jerkface03: don't call clipRect(null)
Feb 08 22:23:00 <romainguy> you can do what zhobbs suggests
Feb 08 22:23:41 <romainguy> but it's a bad behavior
Feb 08 22:23:47 <jerkface03> how so?
Feb 08 22:23:58 <romainguy> if your component needs to draw over the whole canvas, give it the appropriate dimension
Feb 08 22:24:16 <zhobbs> seems like you would need a way to change clip to whole canvas some times
Feb 08 22:24:27 <jerkface03> well
Feb 08 22:24:45 <jerkface03> clipRect()ing the whole thing would work, and save() and restore() would work also, right?
Feb 08 22:28:59 <davidw> what's the point of an xmpp intentreceiver if it's all done through cursors?:-/
Feb 08 22:40:16 <zhobbs> davidw: will an observed curser wake up your app?
Feb 08 22:40:33 <davidw> no idea
Feb 08 22:40:53 <chadkouse> you mean someone using foul language ?
Feb 08 22:40:55 <zhobbs> cause the receiver can open your app up if it's not running
Feb 08 22:40:56 <chadkouse> ;)
Feb 08 22:42:36 <zhobbs> hehe, took me a while
Feb 08 22:53:59 <chadkouse> hehe
Feb 08 22:54:16 <chadkouse> just found a forum post of people saying jid3lib is broken when it comes to iTunes id3v2.2 tags
Feb 08 22:54:36 <chadkouse> but also a (very simple) patch that I applied to the source and it worked
Feb 08 22:56:48 <chadkouse> http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4336630
Feb 08 22:56:53 <chadkouse> if anyone is interested
Feb 08 22:57:28 <chadkouse> works like a f'ing charm!
Feb 08 23:10:02 <chadkouse> zhobbs: found another bug for your code... not really a bug.. but kind of ;)
Feb 08 23:14:05 <chadkouse> zhobbs: http://pastebin.com/m3d7b2d4a
Feb 08 23:26:36 <davidw> mmmm doesn't even seem possible to receive xmpp messages with an intentreceiver
Feb 08 23:37:53 <flynn_> wow
Feb 08 23:46:21 <jasta> ahh, finally get to do some android dev this week
Feb 09 00:36:05 <Tobsn> someone here knows a cross platform widget lib that supports igoogle, facebook etc.?
Feb 09 00:44:42 <jerkface03> is it possible for the android eclipse plugin to operate on something that's outside of the workspace? for example can I put my res folder and src folder in a folder that isn't apart of the sclipse workspace and still be able to use the eclipse plugin?
Feb 09 01:05:26 <romainguy> jerkface03: why don't you want to put them in the workspace?
Feb 09 01:29:18 <jerkface03> no reason in particular
Feb 09 01:29:30 <jerkface03> i just have a seperate svn repo for all my test code
Feb 09 01:29:36 <jerkface03> and its all already checked out in 1 folder
Feb 09 01:40:55 <jerkface03> lol nice, it imported properly
Feb 09 01:41:08 <jerkface03> but it wont run in the emulator yet
Feb 09 01:43:20 <jerkface03> k sweet
Feb 09 01:43:22 <jerkface03> it works now
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