**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 09 02:59:57 2008
Feb 09 04:28:14 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
Feb 09 06:10:56 <zhobbs> romainguy: when drawing text onto a canvas is there a way to auto wrap, or do I just need to use measureText() and do it myself?
Feb 09 06:11:56 <zhobbs> that's Paint.measureText() btw
Feb 09 06:12:50 <romainguy> you have to do it yourself
Feb 09 06:13:17 <zhobbs> k, thanks
Feb 09 06:39:51 <zhobbs> hey romainguy, hope I'm not bugging you...but can you give me some pointers on how to define (via theme I guess) the look of selected items in a ListActivity/ListView?
Feb 09 06:41:56 <zhobbs> I have a feeling it's with a StateListDrawable...just not sure how to use it
Feb 09 06:43:42 <romainguy> yeah you need a StateListDrawable
Feb 09 06:43:47 <romainguy> which are a lot easier to use in XML
Feb 09 06:44:05 <romainguy> they look like this:
Feb 09 06:44:05 <romainguy> <selector xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android">
Feb 09 06:44:21 <romainguy>   <item android:focused="true" android:selected="false" android:drawable="..." />
Feb 09 06:44:24 <romainguy> </selector>
Feb 09 06:45:05 <romainguy> you can use android:focused, android:selected, android:enabled, android:window_focused and android:pressed
Feb 09 06:45:48 <zhobbs> so I can define that in my <style>?  Or do I just pass the selector in to a view in xml?
Feb 09 06:46:00 <romainguy> either way
Feb 09 06:46:16 <romainguy> but you can just use android:selector="@drawable/myStateListSelector"
Feb 09 06:46:53 <zhobbs> great, thanks a lot
Feb 09 06:47:32 <romainguy> you're welcome :)
Feb 09 06:49:17 <zhobbs> I was having a hell of a time figuring out how to do that for imagebuttons as well
Feb 09 06:50:34 <romainguy> same thing
Feb 09 06:50:41 <romainguy> except you set android:background
Feb 09 06:53:07 * romainguy bangs his head against the wall
Feb 09 06:54:09 <zhobbs> hehe, late night of coding huh?
Feb 09 06:54:13 <romainguy> yeah
Feb 09 06:54:20 <romainguy> GridView is getting on my nerves :)
Feb 09 06:55:27 <zhobbs> how many devs working on the ui stuff?
Feb 09 06:55:36 <romainguy> I cannot tell you :)
Feb 09 06:57:44 <zhobbs> :)
Feb 09 06:57:55 <zhobbs> you guys are sneaky :)
Feb 09 06:58:11 <romainguy> hehe
Feb 09 06:59:06 <zhobbs> man...I'm going to be banging my head into a wall now...
Feb 09 06:59:13 <romainguy> why?
Feb 09 06:59:32 <zhobbs> eclipse is messed up...isn't creating an apk in /bin for some reason
Feb 09 06:59:49 <zhobbs> no errors
Feb 09 07:00:16 <romainguy> aah Eclipse :))
Feb 09 07:00:29 <romainguy> at least you have a nice plugin to work with :)
Feb 09 07:00:55 <romainguy> when you work on the UI toolkit like me, you have no such plugin and you need to restart the emulator for every change you want to try :)
Feb 09 07:01:04 <romainguy> (not really the emulator but the android runtime)
Feb 09 07:02:21 <zhobbs> doh
Feb 09 07:02:50 <zhobbs> this nice plugin is doing some strange things...won't generate R or build apk right now
Feb 09 07:03:23 <romainguy> GRIDVIEW @!#
Feb 09 07:03:23 <zhobbs> damn selector blew up my whole project :)
Feb 09 07:03:31 <romainguy> hehe
Feb 09 07:05:19 <zhobbs> yep, deleted my selector and all is well now...is ther anything wrong with having a selectors.xml file in res/values?
Feb 09 07:05:33 <romainguy> it should not be in values
Feb 09 07:05:43 <romainguy> it won't be recognized by aapt and it's likely to crash your build
Feb 09 07:06:04 <romainguy> what is selectors.xml? a <selector/>?
Feb 09 07:06:07 <romainguy> if so, put it in drawable
Feb 09 07:06:23 <zhobbs> ahhh...I've never put xml in drawable
Feb 09 07:06:28 <romainguy> :)
Feb 09 07:06:36 <romainguy> I should have been more precise
Feb 09 07:06:39 <zhobbs> even drawable colors I put in values
Feb 09 07:06:52 <romainguy> well, in drawable you can use XML for two things mainly
Feb 09 07:06:56 <romainguy> state lists
Feb 09 07:07:03 <romainguy> and shape drawable
Feb 09 07:07:14 <romainguy> (those are pretty nice, this is how, for instance, I implemented the rotating progress bar)
Feb 09 07:07:44 <romainguy> the rotating progress bar is an XML composed of two layers, one is the background, the second one being the actual progress shape itself
Feb 09 07:07:56 <romainguy> you can also use those XML to apply scales, rotations, etc. to other drawables
Feb 09 07:08:28 <zhobbs> wow...it'll be nice when all your code is available for us to learn from
Feb 09 07:08:42 <romainguy> or better yet, comprehensive documentation :)
Feb 09 07:08:56 <zhobbs> hehe, yeah I couldn't find any of the state stuff in the docs
Feb 09 07:10:21 <zhobbs> I'm getting "No resource identifier found for attribute 'focused' in package 'android'" for that selector's <item>
Feb 09 07:10:39 <romainguy> hmm
Feb 09 07:11:16 <romainguy> oops sorry
Feb 09 07:11:20 <romainguy> it's state_focused
Feb 09 07:11:24 <romainguy> state_pressed
Feb 09 07:11:25 <romainguy> etc.
Feb 09 07:12:22 <zhobbs> ahh, thanks
Feb 09 07:17:01 <zhobbs> now it's complaining about android:selector not existing for my ListView
Feb 09 07:17:39 <romainguy> listSelector not selector
Feb 09 07:17:49 <romainguy> my memory's fucked up tonight :)
Feb 09 07:18:37 <zhobbs> that'll happen after you mess around with gridviews this late after a long day of coding I'm sure
Feb 09 07:18:49 <romainguy> not GridViewS
Feb 09 07:18:53 <romainguy> GridView :)
Feb 09 07:19:00 <romainguy> If I was merely using it, that'd be fine
Feb 09 07:19:08 <zhobbs> that's true
Feb 09 07:20:59 <zhobbs> Error: No resource found that matches the given name (at 'listSelector' with value '@drawable/list_selector').
Feb 09 07:21:27 <zhobbs> in /drawable/selector I have a <selector xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android" name="list_selector">
Feb 09 07:21:55 <romainguy> er
Feb 09 07:21:55 <romainguy> no
Feb 09 07:22:04 <romainguy> it should be in a file called list_selector
Feb 09 07:22:10 <romainguy> and you don't need the name attribute
Feb 09 07:22:12 <zhobbs> ok
Feb 09 07:22:19 <romainguy> it's just like any other drawable
Feb 09 07:22:33 <zhobbs> ahhh...
Feb 09 07:22:37 <zhobbs> makes sense
Feb 09 07:24:25 <zhobbs> do I need to define all states in that drawable?
Feb 09 07:24:55 <romainguy> nope
Feb 09 07:25:05 <romainguy> only the ones you want
Feb 09 07:25:13 <romainguy> and you can combine them
Feb 09 07:25:25 <romainguy> I highly encourage you to be as specific as possible
Feb 09 07:25:45 <romainguy> for instance: android:state_pressed="true" android:state_focused="true" rather than just state_pressed
Feb 09 07:26:10 <zhobbs> gotcha
Feb 09 07:26:13 <zhobbs> getting runtime InflateException now :(
Feb 09 07:26:29 <romainguy> ouch
Feb 09 07:26:33 <romainguy> details?
Feb 09 07:26:53 <zhobbs> only happens when I have the android:listSelector on my listview..
Feb 09 07:27:04 <romainguy> I mean, what does the exception says?
Feb 09 07:27:05 <zhobbs> I'll get strace
Feb 09 07:30:01 <zhobbs> well, here's the message: An error has occurred in process <package>. Unable to start activity ComponentInfo {<package>/<listactivity>}; android.view.ViewInflate$InflateException: Binary XML file like #371: Error inflating class java.lang.reflect.Contructor
Feb 09 07:30:20 <romainguy> there should be more in the logs
Feb 09 07:30:42 <romainguy> it looks like your selector has errors in it
Feb 09 07:30:48 <romainguy> and it crashes ListView's constructor
Feb 09 07:30:57 <romainguy> can  you paste it here?
Feb 09 07:31:58 <zhobbs> <selector xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"><item android:state_focused="true" android:state_selected="false" android:drawable="@drawable/disabled_tab" /></selector>
Feb 09 07:32:15 <zhobbs> in colors.xml: <drawable name="disabled_tab">#44000000</drawable>
Feb 09 07:32:32 <zhobbs> I also tried use just a random png drawable and same result
Feb 09 07:33:44 <romainguy> hmm it looks good to me
Feb 09 07:34:18 <zhobbs> hmm...the layout is kinda big, gets inflation errors if I try to stick a mapview in it also
Feb 09 07:34:29 <romainguy> weird
Feb 09 07:35:18 <zhobbs> It's a 5 tab activity, and stuck the layout for each tab in a ViewAnimator :)  So it might be kinda a mess
Feb 09 07:35:49 <romainguy> ahah indeed :)
Feb 09 07:36:10 <romainguy> are you sure the logs don't show anything more?
Feb 09 07:36:30 <romainguy> I thought inflate exceptions showed the line number that failed in XML
Feb 09 07:37:04 <zhobbs> ahh, there is a lot in the logs
Feb 09 07:37:18 <romainguy> :)
Feb 09 07:38:58 <romainguy> raaah, I finally tamed GridView \o/
Feb 09 07:39:36 <zhobbs> Nice
Feb 09 07:39:41 <zhobbs> E/AndroidRuntime(713): Caused by: org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParserException: Binary XML file line #2: invalid drawable tag resources
Feb 09 07:39:55 <zhobbs> It's not liking the drawable in my selector
Feb 09 07:43:17 <zhobbs> ahh...I guess I'm not supposed to have a <resources> tag in my list_selector.xml...
Feb 09 07:43:21 <zhobbs> :)
Feb 09 07:45:35 <romainguy__> oops
Feb 09 07:45:39 <zhobbs> :)
Feb 09 07:45:45 <romainguy__> did I miss anything?
Feb 09 07:45:49 <zhobbs> hehe, yeah
Feb 09 07:45:58 <zhobbs> I guess I'm not supposed to have a <resources> tag in my list_selector.xml...
Feb 09 07:46:20 <zhobbs> that was my prob
Feb 09 07:46:33 <romainguy__> ah no, you're not supposed to do that :)
Feb 09 07:47:48 <zhobbs> so you think creating a tabbed activity with ViewAnimator is a bad idea?
Feb 09 07:48:10 <zhobbs> pretty layouts on each tab for the most part
Feb 09 07:48:12 <romainguy__> I think it's a bad idea given the state of tabs in M3
Feb 09 07:48:23 <zhobbs> No, don't use your tabs
Feb 09 07:48:24 <romainguy__> but other than that, no, I don't see why it could be a bad idea :)
Feb 09 07:48:28 <romainguy__> ah cool
Feb 09 07:48:34 <zhobbs> made a custom tab view
Feb 09 07:48:55 <romainguy__> zhobbs: tabs may make a come back in the next SDK ;-)
Feb 09 07:49:33 <zhobbs> Ahhh, well...if they were to come back would you use different activities for each tab, or just different views?
Feb 09 07:50:21 <romainguy__> views I believe
Feb 09 07:50:50 <zhobbs> use multiple activities was too slow...so I'm using the ViewAnimator to switch views
Feb 09 07:51:12 <romainguy__> actually the tabs might support both
Feb 09 07:53:53 * zhobbs is still twitching from the "double caffeine" from 5 hours ago
Feb 09 07:55:03 <zhobbs> whoops, "double caffeine coffee"
Feb 09 07:55:41 <romainguy__> I wish I liked coffee :)
Feb 09 07:58:22 <xbit> no, be lucky you don't
Feb 09 07:58:26 <romainguy__> :)
Feb 09 07:58:34 <xbit> it's poison for the body :)
Feb 09 07:58:43 <zhobbs> yep
Feb 09 07:58:44 <romainguy__> yeah but it'd help right now
Feb 09 07:59:11 <zhobbs> probably better for you than lots of energy drinks though...
Feb 09 07:59:20 <zhobbs> that sugar makes me crash
Feb 09 08:03:07 <romainguy> VPN @!#
Feb 09 08:03:34 <xbit> great stuff ;)
Feb 09 08:05:12 <sushmu> why is coffee bad?
Feb 09 08:05:36 <duey> indeed
Feb 09 08:05:39 <duey> why is it bad?
Feb 09 08:05:58 <sushmu> i have heard only good things about coffee
Feb 09 08:06:03 <duey> me too
Feb 09 08:06:15 <xbit> it contains all kinds of different stimulants that has different effects on your body
Feb 09 08:06:22 <duey> like caffine?
Feb 09 08:06:30 <duey> thats the only stimulant
Feb 09 08:06:38 <duey> all the rest is antioxidents
Feb 09 08:06:41 <duey> which is ++ for body
Feb 09 08:06:46 <sushmu> correct
Feb 09 08:06:48 <xbit> at instant, it's good, it makes you productive and stuff, but the longer term effects is bad
Feb 09 08:06:57 <duey> thats incorrect
Feb 09 08:06:57 <sushmu> no long term is good
Feb 09 08:07:10 <duey> the only long term effect is you become dependant on caffine
Feb 09 08:07:14 <duey> but most of the population is
Feb 09 08:07:15 <sushmu> ha ha
Feb 09 08:07:25 <duey> and there is no known downsides to that
Feb 09 08:07:32 <duey> except you have to have coffee in the morning
Feb 09 08:07:37 <sushmu> you got to be some sort of an addict right, better to be a coffee addict
Feb 09 08:07:42 <duey> yep
Feb 09 08:07:52 <duey> and you can't become addited to caffine (aka you need more and more)
Feb 09 08:07:55 <duey> only dependant
Feb 09 08:07:56 <sushmu> and i heard tea is also good :)
Feb 09 08:08:04 <duey> yeah tea has lots of the good stuff too
Feb 09 08:08:14 * romainguy is dependent on tea :)
Feb 09 08:08:46 <xbit> drinking coffee in the day makes it harder for me to fall asleep at night
Feb 09 08:08:59 <xbit> and therefore more tired in the morning, so i need more coffee, and so on..
Feb 09 08:09:18 <duey> i dont drink coffe after 3pm
Feb 09 08:09:28 <sushmu> i drink only twice
Feb 09 08:10:00 * zhobbs drank a cup at 9pm, which explains why he's still productive at 3am
Feb 09 08:10:16 <duey> i roast my own beans
Feb 09 08:10:20 <duey> espresso i nthe morning
Feb 09 08:10:25 <duey> and drip during the day
Feb 09 08:10:36 <zhobbs> nice, in a special roaster or just in the over or something?
Feb 09 08:10:41 <duey> yeah
Feb 09 08:10:44 <xbit> i only drink coffee when i don't have to get up early the next morning
Feb 09 08:10:45 <duey> www.hottopusa.com
Feb 09 08:10:50 <sushmu> can we build a coffee brewer in android?
Feb 09 08:11:24 <zhobbs> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html
Feb 09 08:11:55 <zhobbs> that with some bluetooth and you're in business
Feb 09 08:12:31 <sushmu> Linux DOES make coffee; and it tastes good as well!
Feb 09 08:12:36 <sushmu> good to know this from the site
Feb 09 08:14:11 <jerkface03> aye
Feb 09 08:14:35 <jerkface03> romainguy, you there? are you sure calling clipRect() with the entire view size will reset the clip?
Feb 09 08:15:31 <jerkface03> im calling clipRect(int,int,int,int)
Feb 09 08:15:49 <romainguy> what values do you pass?
Feb 09 08:16:01 <romainguy> again, I highly advise you *not* to do this
Feb 09 08:16:20 <jerkface03> 0,0,view.width,view.height
Feb 09 08:16:22 <romainguy> the framework uses optimized code paths to avoid (re)drawing unnecessary portions of the screen
Feb 09 08:16:34 <romainguy> and it's very likely that what you draw outside of your view's bounds will be erased
Feb 09 08:16:39 <romainguy> what is "view"?
Feb 09 08:16:51 <jerkface03> the current view the canvas belongs to
Feb 09 08:17:08 <romainguy> you mean the "this" in onDraw()?
Feb 09 08:17:14 <jerkface03> ya
Feb 09 08:17:23 <romainguy> yeah that won't work
Feb 09 08:17:27 <zhobbs> jerkface03: try clipRect(0,0,canvas.getBitmapWidth,canvas.getBitmapHeight)
Feb 09 08:17:40 <romainguy> that should work
Feb 09 08:17:44 <romainguy> but again, don't do this :)
Feb 09 08:18:10 <jerkface03> wait, but the docs say that it intersects the current clip with the new clip
Feb 09 08:18:18 <romainguy> ah
Feb 09 08:18:19 <romainguy> good
Feb 09 08:18:24 <romainguy> then you cannot do what you want :)
Feb 09 08:18:33 <jerkface03> lol
Feb 09 08:18:51 <jerkface03> romainguy: well, the reason i want to do it is because i want to only draw a certain portion of an image
Feb 09 08:18:57 <jerkface03> so i set the clip
Feb 09 08:19:01 <jerkface03> then i offset the image drawing
Feb 09 08:19:16 <romainguy> you should use save()/restore() for that
Feb 09 08:19:18 <jerkface03> so only the portion i want shows up on the screen
Feb 09 08:19:42 <jerkface03> but i only want the clip, so i should do save(CLIP_SAVE_FLAG ) instead
Feb 09 08:19:43 <jerkface03> right?
Feb 09 08:20:02 <jerkface03> save(CLIP_SAVE_FLAG )/restore() i mean
Feb 09 08:20:06 <romainguy> yep
Feb 09 08:20:16 <jerkface03> k, i was hoping there'd be a way to do it all in 1 call
Feb 09 08:20:19 <jerkface03> but i guess not
Feb 09 08:20:20 <jerkface03> thanks!
Feb 09 08:20:31 <romainguy> unfortunately no
Feb 09 08:20:40 <jerkface03> romainguy: add it to your todo list ;)
Feb 09 08:20:45 <zhobbs> hehe
Feb 09 08:20:53 <romainguy> :p
Feb 09 08:25:33 <romainguy> ok GridView works
Feb 09 08:25:35 <romainguy> onto ListView
Feb 09 08:28:44 <zhobbs> I don't buy this, "Up To A Dozen 'Gphone' Prototypes Expected At GSMA": http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200802081906DOWJONESDJONLINE000833_FORTUNE5.htm
Feb 09 08:38:11 <zhobbs> I'm having trouble getting a listview focused so that you can make selections with the dpad...I'm calling the requestFocus() for the listview from a handler, but not working...
Feb 09 08:39:06 <romainguy_> are you sure it's not your selector?
Feb 09 08:39:39 <zhobbs> I disabled the selector just to make sure
Feb 09 09:01:22 <romainguy> argh I broke my change @!#
Feb 09 09:03:39 <ersi> D'oh
Feb 09 09:06:00 <romainguy> fixed
Feb 09 09:26:29 * jasta yawns
Feb 09 09:26:33 <jasta> hi romainguy :)
Feb 09 09:26:40 <romainguy> hey jasta
Feb 09 09:27:18 <jasta> i've written 2000 lines of C just today hehe :)
Feb 09 09:27:32 <romainguy> I've written 100 lines of Java :)
Feb 09 09:27:35 <jasta> my Android project relies heavily on a server I implemented in C.
Feb 09 09:27:54 <romainguy> actually less than that
Feb 09 09:27:56 <jasta> it was my way of keeping sane while working on Android.
Feb 09 09:28:15 <romainguy> you missed pointers?
Feb 09 09:28:22 <jasta> Yeah, C has grit.
Feb 09 09:29:00 <jasta> I am cheating though.  I'm using GLib.
Feb 09 09:29:14 <jasta> It's hardly C anymore with GLib.
Feb 09 10:12:05 <davidw> jasta, what's your server in C do?
Feb 09 10:12:16 <davidw> it's hard for me to find uses for C these days
Feb 09 10:12:27 <jasta> manages the server portion of the meta data synchronization system.
Feb 09 10:12:38 <jasta> and also serves content directly, of course.
Feb 09 10:13:13 <jasta> C is very portable, and that is one of the reasons it is appropriate for this task.
Feb 09 10:13:36 <jasta> another is that libsyncml is natively written in C, and that library is what i have chosen to use.
Feb 09 17:21:17 <davidw> anyone had any luck making a listview track the last item?
Feb 09 17:25:17 <michaelnovakjr> impressive C discussion before jasa
Feb 09 17:28:27 * davidw tends to reach for a scripting language or something like erlang or java for servers
Feb 09 17:35:07 <michaelnovakjr> eh, i can't say much my app server is in java :)
Feb 09 17:35:12 <michaelnovakjr> i do love C though
Feb 09 18:59:35 <zhobbs> jasta: I saw above that you wrote your server in c, do you use sockets or http?
Feb 09 19:06:16 <cybereagle> in c is there even a difference? lol
Feb 09 19:08:59 <davidw> different layers
Feb 09 19:16:34 <jasta> zhobbs: i use libsyncml, which uses soup, which is an implementation of an HTTP server.
Feb 09 19:16:44 <jasta> which uses sockets. :)
Feb 09 19:45:44 <zhobbs> jasta: with your solution can the server contact the phone?  Or does the phone have to poll for updates?
Feb 09 21:02:11 <jasta> zhobbs: The phone polls for update.  The only mechanism on current mobile platforms for notification is SMS, and I do not need or want to support that.
Feb 09 21:02:15 <jasta> updates*
Feb 09 21:02:55 <jasta> Android of course is trying to replace that with XMPP to some degree, but I'm cautious at present.
Feb 09 21:03:48 <jasta> If that implementation proves reliable and efficient, it will be easy to introduce support.
Feb 09 21:05:40 <zhobbs> I just hate that android's xmpp relies on gtalk servers/accounts
Feb 09 21:11:25 <The_PHP_Jedi> sup legind
Feb 09 21:12:10 <legind> hey The_PHP_Jedi
Feb 09 21:20:08 <jasta> zhobbs: Well, there's always SMS, complete with the insane service premiums.
Feb 09 21:40:22 <davidw> jasta, you can send XMPP messages too
Feb 09 21:40:28 <davidw> oops
Feb 09 21:40:29 <davidw> yeah
Feb 09 23:03:28 <bishnu> just downloaded android
Feb 09 23:03:42 <jasta> k?
Feb 09 23:03:51 <bishnu> can't seem to be able to resolve CLASSPATH In eclipse in ubuntu
Feb 09 23:04:02 <jasta> Can you be more specific?
Feb 09 23:04:17 <bishnu> I tried to create HelloAndroid project
Feb 09 23:04:33 <jasta> Yes, and?
Feb 09 23:04:44 <bishnu> It gives me the following error: The import android cannot be resolved
Feb 09 23:04:53 <bishnu> I tried exporting CLASSPTH
Feb 09 23:05:00 <bishnu> few different ways
Feb 09 23:05:15 <bishnu> It seems like plugin error
Feb 09 23:05:26 <xbit> did you follow the instructions and set the path to android in eclipse?
Feb 09 23:05:28 <jasta> Did you follow the instructions on the Android install page?  The Eclipse plugin needs to be configured to use android.jar.
Feb 09 23:05:34 <bishnu> Yes
Feb 09 23:05:42 <jasta> bishnu: Why do I not believe you?
Feb 09 23:05:52 <bishnu> Probably I didn't do the last one
Feb 09 23:06:13 <bishnu> How do I set the plugin to use android.jar
Feb 09 23:06:23 <jasta> You follow the instructions.
Feb 09 23:07:02 <bishnu> I had followed everthing till I got to a point where it says create your own project
Feb 09 23:07:30 <jasta> Did you tell the Eclipse plugin where to find android.jar?
Feb 09 23:07:44 <jasta> And all the other tools?
Feb 09 23:08:11 <bishnu> yes couple of times
Feb 09 23:08:31 <jasta> Are you sure?  Just a moment you ago you seemed confused that the step was even necessary.
Feb 09 23:08:44 <jasta> moment ago*
Feb 09 23:09:57 <davidw> you want the truth?  You can't hhaaaaandle the truth
Feb 09 23:10:27 <bishnu> here is the error
Feb 09 23:10:31 <bishnu> again
Feb 09 23:10:51 <bishnu> Could not find folder 'tools' inside SDK '/'.
Feb 09 23:11:03 <bishnu> Please check the Android plugin's preferences
Feb 09 23:11:25 <xbit> well can it be more obvious?
Feb 09 23:11:33 <jasta> Please read the installation instructions carefully, like I said.
Feb 09 23:11:34 <xbit> it says what's wrong, right there.
Feb 09 23:12:09 <bishnu> I followed
Feb 09 23:12:15 <jasta> bishnu: No, you did not.
Feb 09 23:12:44 <jasta> http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html#installingplugin -- see #11.
Feb 09 23:13:30 <jasta> We're sick of your lies bishnu :)
Feb 09 23:13:56 <bishnu> that not help
Feb 09 23:14:36 <jasta> Yes, it does.
Feb 09 23:15:19 <xbit> gief screenshot of android preferences!
Feb 09 23:15:55 <bishnu> i also got a call and you started going nuts i guess
Feb 09 23:16:07 <bishnu> i had downloaded and followed from the same page
Feb 09 23:16:08 <jasta> bishnu: The error you just pasted suggests that the Eclipse plugin is looking in "/" for your Android SDK.  You almost certainly did not install it in "/", and you must specify where you did install it.
Feb 09 23:16:35 <bishnu> I tried adding android right there where it shows that error
Feb 09 23:16:45 <jasta> You tried what?
Feb 09 23:16:48 <bishnu> i removed that was showing in '/'
Feb 09 23:16:53 <jasta> What?
Feb 09 23:17:25 <bishnu> android.jar
Feb 09 23:17:36 <bishnu> and added again from downloaded path
Feb 09 23:18:09 <jasta> You don't ever "add" android.jar in any direct way.  You simply configure the Eclipse plugin and specify where you unpacked the SDK directory.
Feb 09 23:18:10 <xbit> hehe...good luck..
Feb 09 23:18:33 <bishnu> i am not an eclipse guy nor a java guy
Feb 09 23:18:37 <jasta> For example, I have mine in /usr/local/lib/android.
Feb 09 23:18:37 <bishnu> just wanted to give it a try
Feb 09 23:18:47 <bishnu> i got it now
Feb 09 23:19:20 <jasta> Please note that permissions may be an issue, however I doubt that you have even gotten as far as to configure the plugin as the instructions explain.
Feb 09 23:19:52 <xbit> dude, i think he just got it :)
Feb 09 23:20:42 <jasta> It's pretty obvious to me that he is just ignoring details he doesn't understand and lying to us about them :)
Feb 09 23:21:47 <bishnu> not ignoring. things happened like this because i'm also suddenly working in linux
Feb 09 23:22:18 <jasta> If you didn't ignore that step, then what DID you do with it?
Feb 09 23:22:47 <xbit> bishnu: new os, new ide, new programming language? might think about going a bit slower? ;)
Feb 09 23:23:05 <bishnu> instruction is for Windows and Mac only
Feb 09 23:23:10 <bishnu> not for linux
Feb 09 23:23:19 <bishnu> there is no Window prefrences options
Feb 09 23:23:31 <bishnu> I had to find the option some other way
Feb 09 23:23:33 <jasta> bishnu: No, the instructions are for all platforms supported by Android.
Feb 09 23:23:37 <xbit> bullshit
Feb 09 23:23:57 <bishnu> figure out yourself
Feb 09 23:24:04 <jasta> I have, long before you.
Feb 09 23:24:13 <bishnu> not what I figure out now
Feb 09 23:24:18 <bishnu> what is not there is not there
Feb 09 23:24:25 <bishnu> you just assume linux has same thing as in windows
Feb 09 23:24:33 <xbit> bishnu: so, where was the preferences hidden in eclipse on linux?
Feb 09 23:24:38 <jasta> bishnu: The Linux version of Eclipse is the same as the Windows version.
Feb 09 23:24:49 <jasta> I am using it right now on Ubuntu, in fact.
Feb 09 23:24:51 <bishnu> i didn't see it
Feb 09 23:24:57 <bishnu> I selected through properties
Feb 09 23:25:15 <xbit> well, didn't see and "wasn't there" is to VERY different things.
Feb 09 23:25:26 <xbit> s/to/two
Feb 09 23:25:31 <jasta> are two?  is his English rubbing off on you? :)
Feb 09 23:25:39 <xbit> yes :p
Feb 09 23:28:04 * jasta pokes around to figure out how to add external jar files to the build process
Feb 09 23:28:07 <bishnu> sorry. thanx. everything is there. i guess i was stupid
Feb 09 23:28:07 <jasta> (using ant)
Feb 09 23:29:37 <davidw> we lost R2!
Feb 09 23:29:54 <jasta> huh?
Feb 09 23:30:00 <davidw> "are two"
Feb 09 23:30:10 <jasta> oh boy
Feb 09 23:30:50 <jasta> i really wish they'd write a man page for dx.
Feb 09 23:42:41 <jasta> i want to know what all those options do :)
Feb 09 23:55:02 <chomchom> bishnu: Did you get your classpath error fixed?
Feb 09 23:55:22 <bishnu> yes
Feb 09 23:55:27 <chomchom> good good
Feb 09 23:55:58 <chomchom> for future note, you can check the class path of a project easily in eclipse by right clicking on the project and clicking build path
Feb 09 23:56:19 <chomchom> then you can see exactly what your JVM will have access to at runtime
Feb 09 23:56:19 <jasta> chomchom: class path was not his problem.  Stop confusinghim.
Feb 09 23:56:25 <bishnu> just looking at the first android that got compiled
Feb 09 23:56:44 <jasta> bishnu: FYI, a new UI is expected this month.
Feb 09 23:56:53 <bishnu> ok
Feb 09 23:57:51 <bishnu> it's going to take a while to learn this but seem it will be worth
Feb 09 23:58:03 <jasta> you're pretty late to the party :)
Feb 09 23:58:17 <bishnu> i guess
Feb 10 00:00:14 <davidw> well, probably not compared with 90% of people out there
Feb 10 00:00:34 <jasta> 10% of the world is not interested in developing for Android :)
Feb 10 00:01:52 <davidw> what I meant is that if it's successful, he won't be very late at all
Feb 10 00:02:05 <chomchom> absolutely
Feb 10 00:02:13 <jasta> yes, true.
Feb 10 00:03:48 <bishnu> i did something i had no idea would have done it today. downloading this stuff
Feb 10 00:05:55 <chomchom> I don't really understand you, but I sense your enthusiasm :)
Feb 10 01:49:04 <jasta> whoa, my eclipse project is in a really strange state.
Feb 10 01:49:27 <chomchom> thats not even a little shocking
Feb 10 01:50:25 <chomchom> eclipse is a strange state
Feb 10 01:50:55 <chomchom> although you learn to love it
Feb 10 01:51:00 <chomchom> project clean
Feb 10 01:51:09 <chomchom> and project refresh
Feb 10 01:51:19 <chomchom> and maybe even a restart should sort you out
Feb 10 01:52:08 <jasta> ahh yes, cleaning it seemed to help.
Feb 10 01:52:25 <jasta> although i am still uncertain how i to reliably work around the aidl compiler bugs.
Feb 10 01:52:33 <jasta> it seems to just magically work from time to time
Feb 10 01:53:15 <zhobbs> hopefully aidl will be improved a lot in the next sdk
Feb 10 01:53:22 <jasta> no kidding
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