**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 13 02:59:57 2008 Feb 13 03:05:19 hmmm. Feb 13 03:05:21 # ls Feb 13 03:05:21 -rw-rw---- app_6 app_6 26624 2008-02-13 03:05 five.db Feb 13 03:05:21 -rw-rw---- app_6 app_6 26624 2008-02-13 03:05 five.db Feb 13 03:05:26 * jasta raises an eyebrow Feb 13 03:06:52 duplicates? Feb 13 03:15:46 yeah Feb 13 03:16:12 i wonder if android creates temp files using trailing space characters or something? Feb 13 03:24:34 yay, my program finally has a successful sync. Feb 13 03:25:10 took like 5 minutes simulating 3G speeds, though. that's not good ;) Feb 13 03:25:35 but there's a lot of room to improve. I'm using XML right now, even though the protocol I chose supports WBXML. Just didn't want to turn it on yet because it's harder to debug. Feb 13 03:26:13 congrats Feb 13 03:31:53 grats Feb 13 03:32:04 I need to get back to my project so I can finish it by march Feb 13 03:33:53 i'm planning to nearly rewrite every part of it after the initial deadline :) Feb 13 03:34:02 i'm really cowboy coding on this thing Feb 13 03:34:12 Me too :-X Feb 13 03:34:47 anyway, goin home Feb 13 03:34:48 later folks Feb 13 03:36:33 yeah, I can't say I'm planning my code out all that well either Feb 13 04:09:35 you think I can create an SQL lite DB one time, then save the file into my /res/raw folder and copy it to my /data/data//databases/ the first time the app boots up? Feb 13 04:10:14 or is there some kind of security/id numbers/ etc that would not allow the db file to be valid Feb 13 04:40:35 lumme Feb 13 04:40:43 strike a light Feb 13 04:58:49 zhobbs: i think that it would work, but it might not be the best approach. Feb 13 04:59:18 specifically, upgrades might not work very gracefully in that arrangement, and you'll waste a lot of space for a marginal performance gain at first startup. Feb 13 05:01:54 as for security, i doubt it, however there does seem to be some extra magic that version controls your database if you use the database helper. Feb 13 05:08:22 hmmm Feb 13 05:08:51 have you guys read the beginners newsgroup recently? Feb 13 05:09:01 i haven't ever read it, why? Feb 13 05:09:22 there are some interesting posts sometimes Feb 13 05:09:46 I read all the forums fairly often Feb 13 05:09:47 I had assumed android-beginners would just be enthusiasts, no real developers. Feb 13 05:10:00 romainguy___: what specifically, though? Feb 13 05:12:00 recent posts Feb 13 05:12:57 using an eeepc for android development doesnt sound too fun Feb 13 05:13:06 i just glanced and didn't see anything of interest? Feb 13 05:16:03 may be just the level of activity is exciting to romain :) Feb 13 05:16:09 maybe :) Feb 13 05:16:25 just look harder :) Feb 13 05:16:39 no. Feb 13 05:17:12 maybe romain is excited about 2gb of free storage Feb 13 05:17:21 that's what i was wondering about. Feb 13 05:17:28 ah well, too bad for you guys Feb 13 05:17:43 we're going to miss out on the limited offer. Feb 13 05:18:10 seriously,w hat are you talking about? i went back quite a few pages and didn't see much threading at all Feb 13 05:18:22 mostly just 1 or 2 message topics that are relatively short and uninformative Feb 13 05:18:36 hey Jason Feb 13 05:18:49 what's up, romain? Feb 13 05:18:56 romainguy: I hope you guys figure out some kind of api or way to allow applications to display screens or "widgets" when the phone is ringing (incoming call), from what i understand, its not possible yet Feb 13 05:18:59 Idling in the shuttle ) Feb 13 05:19:29 jtoy: What would you like to do with such an API? Feb 13 05:20:25 display some relavent info to the user regarding the incoming call Feb 13 05:21:48 so for a more concrete example: the number is checked against a database of spam numbers, and if its a spam number, then display the message, "this number may be a telemarketer according to spamdb.com" Feb 13 05:22:27 Oh I see Feb 13 05:22:55 well, file a feature request: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list :) Feb 13 05:23:38 but there is a lot more cool stuff you could do, I built some applications for a startup I used to work at that had some pretty tight integration with asterisk/webservices Feb 13 05:23:42 ok, thanks Feb 13 05:32:15 almost home Feb 13 05:32:17 see ya later Feb 13 05:45:15 I made a Google maps stitcher thingy, makes big posters from google: http://www.jportsmouth.com/code/Stitch/stitch.html Feb 13 05:45:42 that's cool :) Feb 13 05:46:30 not enormously useful but fun Feb 13 05:47:17 re Feb 13 05:47:54 snoktruix: neat Feb 13 05:48:07 :) Feb 13 05:50:32 snoktruix: that's pretty cool Feb 13 05:51:12 cheers Feb 13 05:54:29 jasta: I think romainguy_ was refering to the DB topic which was talking about exactly what I was talking about :) Feb 13 05:54:39 zhobbs: I doubt it :) Feb 13 05:55:09 oh, well, that wasn't interesting all the same :) Feb 13 05:58:53 romainguy_: how might i have a list which is allowed to grow as much vertically as it would like, but not necessarily take up the entire screen? Feb 13 05:59:14 i want to basically position a view at the end of the list, without it being part of the list. Feb 13 05:59:51 height=0 weight=1 with the other view height=wrap_content Feb 13 06:00:20 ahh, height=0 Feb 13 06:01:00 for the listview? Feb 13 06:01:53 yes Feb 13 06:02:16 jasta: another height would work but height=0 goes through as faster code path Feb 13 06:02:24 hmm. i set the listview layout_height="0px" layout_weight="1", and a textview immediately below it with layout_height="wrap_content", no weight, and it still shows at the very bottom of the screen. Feb 13 06:02:37 aah sorry Feb 13 06:02:41 I thought that's what you wanted Feb 13 06:02:55 no, i want it to show at the bottom of the list, as though it was the last entry in the list. Feb 13 06:03:16 then the best thing to do is to set it as a footer in the list Feb 13 06:03:28 lists have footers, eh? Feb 13 06:03:35 they support headers and footers Feb 13 06:03:41 if not in your SDK, in the next one :) Feb 13 06:04:03 no, i see it. just never realized this existed. you guys really have to expand the API demos ;) Feb 13 06:04:21 Read the APIs :)) Feb 13 06:04:47 there's still lots of api secrets out there Feb 13 06:07:11 romainguy_: how would i specify a view in XML and still use setFooterView()? Feb 13 06:07:28 put the view in another XML file Feb 13 06:07:40 inflate it in code, then call setFooterView() Feb 13 06:07:50 although we might have a way to do this in XML Feb 13 06:07:55 but I'm not sure Feb 13 06:08:03 ahh, well, inflating views from XML is a mystery to us lowly mortals. Feb 13 06:08:15 it's pretty easy though Feb 13 06:08:52 yeah? how do you? :) Feb 13 06:12:00 well, getViewInflate().inflate(R.layout.mylayout, aLayout, true, null); Feb 13 06:12:23 except in your case you'll want to use null, false, null Feb 13 06:12:27 Nice...I'll have to remember that Feb 13 06:12:30 (for the last 3 parameters) Feb 13 06:13:12 excellent. Feb 13 06:13:18 you can also obtain a ViewInflate object by calling getSystemService() on Activity Feb 13 06:13:25 or, if I remember, ViewInflate.from(myContext) Feb 13 06:15:00 that's actually quite helpful. thanks. Feb 13 06:16:05 yeah, ViewInflate is a pretty sweet tool Feb 13 06:16:13 especially from within Adapters Feb 13 06:16:34 exactly..I was struggling with doing a layout via code in an adapter last night Feb 13 06:39:02 sorry for all the disconnects/reconnects Feb 13 06:39:06 playing with the router Feb 13 06:42:28 ever had one of those odd philosophical dialogues with youreslf about why you constantly refer to actions performed by your code as "we"? Feb 13 06:42:48 i sometimes wonder if programmers identify with their code like they are cooperating ;) Feb 13 06:59:19 good lord, the horizontal progress bar drawable is uuuggly ;) Feb 13 07:10:08 there is so much interesting stuff in res/drawable in the android.jar :) Feb 13 07:10:24 yep Feb 13 07:10:38 lots of goofy looking white icons too Feb 13 07:10:54 probably statubar's icons Feb 13 07:11:03 i think they are too big for that. i see those as well. Feb 13 07:11:20 what does the white goofy icons look like? Feb 13 07:11:52 like, res/drawable/contact_fax.png Feb 13 07:12:01 ah yes Feb 13 07:12:03 they seem to all be contact icons Feb 13 07:12:18 contact_pager.png hehe. i hope you guys don't ship with a pager field :) Feb 13 07:29:01 hehe, what the hell. you can click to select a row not selectable. Feb 13 07:30:43 Does the OutputStream of a Socket block? or will it return right away when you add something to it? even if it's a very large write? Feb 13 07:33:49 Yes, it will. Feb 13 07:34:44 The associated SocketChannel is capable of supporting non-blocking operations, but the Socket is not. Feb 13 07:35:22 Err, sorry, I meant Yes, it will block. Feb 13 07:36:33 SocketChannel is not yet implemented in the SDK is it? Feb 13 07:36:50 That I don't know. I presume not because it is part of the nio package. Feb 13 07:37:07 aye Feb 13 07:42:22 hrm Feb 13 07:42:31 there's no way for me to tell how much i can feed into it without it blocking? Feb 13 07:49:08 what advantage is there pretending a blocking socket is non-blocking? Feb 13 07:50:09 i dont have to create a seperate thread to manage traffic Feb 13 07:50:50 you must create a separate thread if you using a blocking interface. that is the fundamental premise and Java will not expose sufficient information for you to implement a non-blocking layer on top of that. Feb 13 07:51:01 though that information does exist, in the kernel. Feb 13 07:51:48 ive given up on waiting for nio to be implemented Feb 13 07:52:00 im just using the standard java.net classes now Feb 13 07:52:14 hopefully that package is actually implemented Feb 13 07:52:38 great, but that layer lacks sufficient information to implement non-blocking sockets on top of it. Feb 13 09:41:33 hi all Feb 13 09:42:35 does any body how to install org.eclipse.equinox.app ? Feb 13 10:27:13 has anyone layered the way they access sqlite3 on android? Feb 13 10:27:45 instead of just calling the android provided sqlite3 classes directly? Feb 13 14:32:14 sdk? Feb 13 14:32:26 new ui? Feb 13 16:34:56 couldn't we just do it like all those who are logged to the channel win the prize? :) Feb 13 16:43:44 except we represent the laziest of all the participants. Feb 13 16:43:57 therefore, however, the best programmers. :) Feb 13 16:48:51 right Feb 13 16:48:59 the ultimate in code resuse Feb 13 16:49:05 err.. reuse Feb 13 16:50:11 * jasta scratches his head Feb 13 16:51:55 jasta: we don't write any code as that would just be duplicating someone else's efforts Feb 13 16:52:04 jasta: so clearly, we should get the prizes Feb 13 16:55:51 yay, made my service thing work. Feb 13 16:56:00 so the activity can just bind to it and figure out what the service is doing at any time Feb 13 16:56:03 without disrupting it Feb 13 16:56:18 how? Feb 13 16:56:56 well startService and bindService, but my arrangement also has an observer interface on the service itself. Feb 13 16:57:28 i just call startService, then bindService in onResume() and in onPause I unregister my observer, then unbindService. Feb 13 16:57:42 ok.. anyways the service needs to be disrupted Feb 13 16:57:51 no it doesn't. Feb 13 16:58:30 it gets a second call to onStart(), which it safely ignores, and no unwarranted calls to onStop. Feb 13 16:58:49 ok Feb 13 17:01:22 i really enjoy the service architecture in android. i just wish some of the stupid smaller bugs would hurry up and get fixed. Feb 13 17:01:53 asynchronous services are so easy to implement correctly, too. Feb 13 17:02:54 hope you do it right, otherwise it becomes a feature :) Feb 13 17:03:12 i am certain i have done it correctly. Feb 13 17:04:26 brb, shower, then work. Feb 13 17:40:00 re Feb 13 17:57:55 * stifffff slaps morrildl around a bit with a large trout Feb 13 18:01:26 alert, altert: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogspot/hsDu/~3/234479957/android-sdk-m5-rc14-now-available.html Feb 13 18:01:32 ^^ Feb 13 18:02:20 jeez, zhobbs Feb 13 18:02:34 you are on the ball Feb 13 18:02:45 steal our freakin' IRC thunder, will you Feb 13 18:02:47 ;) Feb 13 18:02:51 hehe Feb 13 18:03:16 osnap! Feb 13 18:03:21 and if I may join in Feb 13 18:03:29 please, read the release notes :) Feb 13 18:06:10 * morrildl loves that "osnap" flowchart Feb 13 18:07:37 wut ! Feb 13 18:08:10 morrildl: the docs diff is really cool Feb 13 18:09:09 woohoo! Feb 13 18:09:16 what a treat! Feb 13 18:09:36 i knew it was coming soon. Feb 13 18:10:03 romainguy: yeah that was crazybob Feb 13 18:10:06 that diff is sweet Feb 13 18:10:18 jasta: Yeah, cause we told you it was :) Feb 13 18:10:21 morrildl: it's quite impressive the number of changes... Feb 13 18:10:30 It's funny how sometimes we say things but people don't believe us :) Feb 13 18:10:34 ;) Feb 13 18:10:36 :)) Feb 13 18:10:51 romainguy: yeah I know, unfortunately b/c we skipped M4 Feb 13 18:10:58 morrildl: and also yesterday people on android-beginners noticed the plugin was asking for M5 :) Feb 13 18:11:07 romainguy: that too Feb 13 18:11:07 ohh, very nice! support for Ogg now, this will be a great help to me. Feb 13 18:11:25 morrildl: you didn't tell us this week :) Feb 13 18:11:45 romainguy: Is that what you were referring to yesterday? Feb 13 18:11:46 jasta: tru dat Feb 13 18:11:52 jasta: maybe :) Feb 13 18:11:55 UI looks different than the ones at the show Feb 13 18:12:11 zhobbs: it's the same Feb 13 18:12:16 zhobbs: they are not necessarily running this latest build Feb 13 18:12:20 it's somewhat older Feb 13 18:12:20 except you have a fresher version Feb 13 18:12:28 i can't believe you guys waited for me to get into work to release this though :) Feb 13 18:13:33 jasonchen: see??? I TOLD you we should have waited for jasta Feb 13 18:13:48 now he's mad at us. NICE GOING Feb 13 18:13:55 morrildl: doh! all my fault Feb 13 18:13:57 ;) Feb 13 18:14:05 finally, the respect i deserve. Feb 13 18:14:21 jasta: next time we'll work around _your_ schedule :-) Feb 13 18:15:19 jasonchen: can we get some sleep first? :) Feb 13 18:15:44 * jasonchen checks schedule to see if it allows for sleep Feb 13 18:15:52 nice, you guys released the traceview tool Feb 13 18:15:55 i was really hoping for something like this Feb 13 18:16:02 traceview is really nice Feb 13 18:16:10 I spent some much time using it for M5... Feb 13 18:16:20 yeah, i had been looking at all the screenshots wondering why we missed out Feb 13 18:20:16 nice job on the SimpleCursorAdapter improvements. Feb 13 18:20:25 thank you very much ;-) Feb 13 18:20:54 * jasta raises an eyebrow Feb 13 18:21:08 TabWidget is no longer deprecated? I had been told that you guys were getting rid of that system? Feb 13 18:21:17 No Feb 13 18:21:23 We told you that it might go away Feb 13 18:21:38 interesting. Feb 13 18:21:42 And since it was not ready to be used, it was marked deprecated Feb 13 18:21:45 Now it's ready to be used Feb 13 18:21:55 You can actually see it in action in the Contacts app Feb 13 18:22:16 i can't wait to tear into this Feb 13 18:22:34 the menu button is a lot different Feb 13 18:23:49 hmm, the view threading improvements seem kind of clumsy. Feb 13 18:24:40 how so? Feb 13 18:25:06 gah. well, i'm glad I already implemented a expandablelistivew. :-/ Feb 13 18:25:14 It just seems like it's promoting magic, hiding away the Handler concept which is much cleaner and more general. Feb 13 18:25:48 jasta: we've added these methods because very often you just need to post an action to the UI thread and creating a Handler just for that purpose is cumbersome Feb 13 18:25:49 has the documentation been improved? Feb 13 18:25:57 especially since the View has access to a Handler Feb 13 18:25:58 posting a runnable to a View also seems like an unusual relationship. Feb 13 18:26:17 romainguy: I can understand the utility, it just seems magical. Feb 13 18:26:25 I disagree Feb 13 18:26:30 Threading should not have to be hard Feb 13 18:26:42 And considering how difficult it's been for some developers to understand and use Handlers... Feb 13 18:26:43 private Handler mHandler = new Handler(); doesn't make anything harder. Feb 13 18:27:37 But it does have the advantage of exposing the framework in a manner more consistent with how it actually works. Feb 13 18:28:01 You can keep using a Handler if you prefer Feb 13 18:28:10 but anyway, I won't be the one confused by it so... Feb 13 18:28:13 lol "Toasts" Feb 13 18:28:31 yay new sdk :) Feb 13 18:28:38 romainguy: I understand that; suffice it to say I simply disagree that such a utility was necessary. Feb 13 18:29:45 romainguy: What is this Touch mode bit here? I'm intrigued, but don't understand what specific purpose you guys had in mind creating this? Feb 13 18:30:01 Which one? Feb 13 18:30:31 The documentation refers to something called "touch mode". I'm curious why that was introduced? Feb 13 18:30:44 skicson: the Toasts concept reminds me of the "Toastie" guy that you could make pop-up in Mortal Kombat Feb 13 18:31:00 jasta: it just means that we're claiming that touch-screen support is usable now Feb 13 18:31:07 In M3 it really wasn't Feb 13 18:31:10 morrildl: Ahh. Feb 13 18:31:27 It also means that when you touch the screen, selection and focus disappear Feb 13 18:31:37 because they don't really have any strong meaning in touch mode Feb 13 18:31:37 oh they actually stop drawing? Feb 13 18:31:56 yes, but they completely disappear Feb 13 18:32:01 interesting. Feb 13 18:32:12 in touch mode, getSelectedItem() on a ListView will return null for instance Feb 13 18:32:26 However, a View can be focusable in touch mode to receive key events directly Feb 13 18:32:33 right, that is absolutely a smart way to do this. Feb 13 18:32:34 for instance an EditText Feb 13 18:32:55 note that pressing a direction will exit touch mode and refocus something Feb 13 18:34:41 Nice, tree view ;) Feb 13 18:35:18 jasta: Not quite, it supports only 2 levels Feb 13 18:35:30 Oh, yeah, I see that now. Feb 13 18:35:51 Oh well, trees aren't very good interfaces on mobile devices anyway. Feb 13 18:35:57 That's the reasoning Feb 13 18:38:11 whoa, ContentURI was renamed. Feb 13 18:38:15 that's a lot of code to update now ;) Feb 13 18:38:51 oh boy, more than just renamed. yiikkes :) Feb 13 18:38:52 jasonchen: so does the Toast have a pic of you in there somewheres? :-) Feb 13 18:39:16 jasta: Good thing you got a deadline extension... :) Feb 13 18:39:24 hehe, yes ;) Feb 13 18:39:25 skicson: haha. thankfully, it does not. Feb 13 18:40:44 ohhh, very nice on the openFile method in ContentProvider. Feb 13 18:40:51 that was really a chore previously. Feb 13 18:43:32 hmm Feb 13 18:43:58 so now mediaplayer supports mp4 http streaming, but youtube mobile still only offers rtsp :/ Feb 13 18:44:13 i was hoping for a youtube breakthrough with the new sdk Feb 13 18:44:17 but oh well Feb 13 18:44:22 umdk1d3: you can rest assured that android will offer a way to access youtube. Feb 13 18:44:26 google owns youtube, remember. Feb 13 18:44:30 lol yea Feb 13 18:44:39 im thinking this is the last sdk before the contest deadline Feb 13 18:44:48 they claim not. Feb 13 18:44:48 so if we want youtube, we need to hack over an rtsp client ;) Feb 13 18:45:05 I thought rtsp worked? Feb 13 18:45:37 orly? Feb 13 18:45:51 don't really know, just thought someone said that Feb 13 18:45:57 hehe, just got to the toast part of the changelog. this does sound like the Mortal Kombat thing ;) Feb 13 18:46:01 ive hacked together a way to get http streaming working Feb 13 18:46:07 but havent touched rtsp yet Feb 13 18:46:11 its not too hard to code up Feb 13 18:49:22 Hmm, new Android Manifest Editor for eclipse Feb 13 18:49:29 yeah, im anxious to see that. Feb 13 18:54:50 howdy Feb 13 18:55:13 hello, new SDK. Feb 13 18:55:28 ooh. pretty new bg on the emulator Feb 13 18:56:01 glad you like it :) Feb 13 18:56:32 so which mobile will use android ? Feb 13 18:57:15 i like the transition animations too.nifty. Feb 13 18:57:34 any screenshots of the new UI floating around yet? Feb 13 18:57:51 http://www.helloandroid.com/node/258 Feb 13 18:58:29 sorry for the annoying flash gallery, but was easy Feb 13 18:58:42 romainguy: why is the bug droid not the default background, anyway? Feb 13 18:58:54 morrildl: it didn't work well with this layout Feb 13 18:59:27 ah Feb 13 18:59:50 can I change the background? Feb 13 18:59:58 it says feature not supported or something Feb 13 19:02:35 are those lists in dev tools, api demos, the default way a ListView looks? Feb 13 19:02:41 zhobbs: yes Feb 13 19:03:34 ooh now to interface android with http://blogs.computerworld.com/here_come_the_teeny_tiny_mini_projectors :) Feb 13 19:05:23 Nice, if I run ddms while eclipse is running I get infinate popup warnings Feb 13 19:07:02 YaY new sdk! Downloading now. Feb 13 19:07:04 * zhobbs feels like I spent a lot of time on stuff I'm going to have to rework Feb 13 19:07:25 zhobbs: aren't you glad about the deadline extension? :) Feb 13 19:07:36 hmm, Ubuntu is all screwy and broken and won't let me install WST. Feb 13 19:07:57 zhobbs: there is a DDMS perspective in Eclipse. Feb 13 19:08:23 jasta: yeah I know Feb 13 19:08:58 romainguy: yeah, no way you could release this and then expect us to figure it out for march 3rd Feb 13 19:14:44 zhobbs: you didn't show the new status bar notifications in your screenshots ;-) Feb 13 19:15:07 ok, I'll get that updated Feb 13 19:17:49 * jasta doesn't want to see it yet Feb 13 19:17:55 i'm installing the SDK right now ;) Feb 13 19:19:57 whoa, the android manifest editor is really elaborate. Feb 13 19:20:20 holy cow Feb 13 19:21:01 aww, Errors (100 of 147 items) :( Feb 13 19:21:21 jasta: lot of work ahead? Feb 13 19:21:26 hehe, yeah :) Feb 13 19:21:55 the best part, though, is that my ADC project just reached a major milestone so is in a good state to go tearing through it with API updates. Feb 13 19:21:55 wow lots of code breakage just by looking at the changelog Feb 13 19:22:14 lol romainguy took the picture on the background of the new SDK. Feb 13 19:22:20 i recognized that right away Feb 13 19:22:27 :)) Feb 13 19:22:41 i am guessing the reason for the extension... Feb 13 19:23:02 ok i must admit i like the new UI a lot more than i thought from the videos i saw. Feb 13 19:23:12 the videos didn't do it justice. there is a lot of subtle design here that looks very nice Feb 13 19:23:31 i agree Feb 13 19:25:36 the bubbly icons on the top, however, i don't like. Feb 13 19:25:49 the font used in the api demos is great :) Feb 13 19:25:53 and all that padding, finally. Feb 13 19:26:04 romainguy: I don't see any changes to the notification section of apidemos? Feb 13 19:26:47 tap the status bar Feb 13 19:30:40 all this new stuff is really great guys Feb 13 19:32:06 ohh, i like the buttons with arrows on them. Feb 13 19:32:08 that's very nice. Feb 13 19:32:39 romainguy: I don't get what to do with the status bar? Feb 13 19:32:47 zhobbs: drag it down Feb 13 19:33:05 Oh, I wasn't dragging it down far enough... Feb 13 19:34:18 we need a task switcher Feb 13 19:36:46 niiicee, the horizontal scroll bar in the title is great. Feb 13 19:37:17 i also like the new circular scroll bar. i love how it kind of pauses each rotation. Feb 13 19:37:46 nice, primary and secondary progress built in Feb 13 19:37:49 fucking awesome Feb 13 19:38:07 horizontal progress dialog looks nice Feb 13 19:39:04 i still wonder about the soft keyboard.... Feb 13 19:41:13 I like the progressbar in status bar Feb 13 19:41:22 or title bar I mean Feb 13 19:44:24 * jasta likes. Feb 13 19:50:28 romainguy: you got your status bar screenshot :) Feb 13 19:51:19 is there tabs in m5? Feb 13 19:51:42 zhobbs: yes Feb 13 19:52:06 hmm, just no api demo Feb 13 19:56:04 wow... that's quite an update Feb 13 19:57:57 zhobbs: look at the contacts app. Feb 13 19:58:03 the tabs actually look nice. Feb 13 19:58:18 i'm pleased they finally amped up the padding of everything and utilize all the screen real-estate. Feb 13 19:58:32 it will make touch-screen users very happy :) Feb 13 20:01:41 jasta: try it with QVGA-L, everything is too big Feb 13 20:07:08 fortunately, that problem is solveable with the SDK. Android was obviously designed to have scalable UIs. Feb 13 20:07:58 but i do think that's a job for Google. the open source community is not going to screw with UI stuff that much ;) Feb 13 20:08:39 that's what you think... Feb 13 20:10:10 screwing up the UI is perhaps not what he meant :D Feb 13 20:13:35 jasta is precisely right Feb 13 20:13:57 the first device that will be available will have a touch screen, so the first UI optimization is for touch-screens Feb 13 20:14:29 Are the judges going to even fire up any emulators other than HVGA-P? Feb 13 20:14:31 when someone gets ready to launch a non-touchscreen device, somebody (perhaps TAT, perhaps someone else) will do a non-touch-optmized UI Feb 13 20:14:39 zhobbs: I'd be surprised if they do :) Feb 13 20:15:36 Just finished flicking through all the demos Feb 13 20:15:54 Nice to see a lot more nested table layou demos Feb 13 20:16:01 layout even Feb 13 20:17:34 They UI, although I'm not awe inspired by it, shows more clarity in the design and lends well to help visualise the final designs. Feb 13 20:17:47 I very much like the buttons Feb 13 20:18:11 The small additions of the arrow on the buttons are an excellent touch. Feb 13 20:18:12 ui seem clunky to me Feb 13 20:18:22 Yeah Feb 13 20:18:23 I guess it's good for big fingers though Feb 13 20:18:32 I don't mind big and well pronounced Feb 13 20:18:54 I'd understand big and well pronounced for accessibility reasons Feb 13 20:19:50 ooh this is really breaking a lot of stuff Feb 13 20:20:07 hehe, no kidding Feb 13 20:20:19 get ready to break out grep/sed Feb 13 20:21:00 it's worse than that. Feb 13 20:21:08 infact, looking at it, it may just be because only some parts of the UI are rendered. The Home screen just has a background behind the icons which looks a bit tattered. But demonstrates the functionality well enough. Feb 13 20:21:27 Very much like the layout animations, they are well swish Feb 13 20:22:44 There is one fundamental point about the UI from the last release I'd like to point out, and I hope is addressed for the final release. Feb 13 20:23:10 The scrolling feels somewhat unintuitive. Feb 13 20:23:33 I was thinking that too, but might be a mouse vs touchscreen issue Feb 13 20:23:33 I don't know why but there is a mild feeling of disorientation when you scroll down a large area of text Feb 13 20:25:11