**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 16 02:59:57 2008 Feb 16 03:00:05 :) Feb 16 03:00:10 you've been very helpful :) Feb 16 03:00:26 still baffled over the blur/tinting thing.. Feb 16 03:01:02 I've also found layouts to be very clumsy at times.. Feb 16 03:01:36 things like layout_centerHorizontal actually growing the container x2 Feb 16 03:09:35 * zhobbs is clicking around finding any excuss not to work Feb 16 03:23:01 There isn't any way to pull out the data from the sqlite3 databases to the host computer (from adb), or am I clearly missing something? Feb 16 03:23:39 sure there is. adb pull to downloda the .db file and then just open it and use it. Feb 16 03:24:05 sqlite3's db format is standard and portable. Feb 16 03:24:42 jasta, Thanks. I have been thinking of ways to get the lower level data and this might be an ugly solution, but no choice Feb 16 03:25:05 what? i sense that you are VERY misguided. Feb 16 03:26:12 jasta, what I meant is - ideally I would want to read this in my application directly. This is not working for things like the Browser data using content providers Feb 16 03:26:36 are you certain that you are not simply using it wrong? Feb 16 03:26:52 perhaps you should ask on android-developers to be sure. Feb 16 03:27:41 The browser class is not implemented in m3 at least. I'll port later to m5... Feb 16 03:30:37 ugh Feb 16 03:30:54 i'm not going to convince you to do the right thing. Feb 16 04:11:42 are these apk packages supposed to run on any mobile phone ? Feb 16 04:13:15 fgleich: No, just phones using android platform Feb 16 04:14:03 is it possible to convert apk to jar format ? Feb 16 04:14:38 I believe just change the filename to .jar Feb 16 04:15:17 thanks, I'll try that Feb 16 04:17:27 fgleich: but that won't let you run it on an existing phone. Feb 16 04:18:40 why is that ? Feb 16 04:19:49 ok bbl Feb 16 04:34:47 Are there no network interfaces on the sdk? java.net.NetworkInterface.getNetworkInterfaces() throws an exception... Feb 16 04:36:33 re Feb 16 04:39:48 sorry? Feb 16 04:41:09 alphabeta2: things like layout_centerHorizontal actually growing the container x2 << I just fixed a bug about this Feb 16 06:58:01 so how are keycode inputs ordered? keycodes == ascii keycodes? Feb 16 07:01:34 hmmm Feb 16 07:01:37 let me check jerkface03 Feb 16 07:02:33 jerkface03: they are in alphabetical order but it's not the ascii codes Feb 16 07:02:50 what about non-standard characters? Feb 16 07:06:14 like what? Feb 16 07:07:12 like you know Feb 16 07:07:29 french accent's for Es Feb 16 07:07:32 how are they ordered? Feb 16 07:07:36 http://tlt.psu.edu/suggestions/international/bylanguage/french.html Feb 16 07:07:57 french accents are not non-standards Feb 16 07:08:00 they even exist in ASCII Feb 16 07:08:11 (I'm French btw :) Feb 16 07:08:31 I don't know how our input methods are implemented unforunately Feb 16 07:08:44 ya but you said keycodes were ordered alphabetically, so does it go standard A,B,C,D,E, accent a grav E, accent a gu E? Feb 16 07:08:50 hrm k Feb 16 07:08:53 nope Feb 16 07:08:57 I just looked at KeyEvent Feb 16 07:09:04 and KeyEvent only contains the keycodes for physical keys Feb 16 07:09:22 at this point, it's only a the base 26-letters alphabet Feb 16 07:09:30 + a bunch of other keys like slash, dpad, etc. Feb 16 07:10:08 hrm k Feb 16 07:10:10 thx Feb 16 07:14:13 jerkface03: why did you want to know this? Feb 16 07:14:49 curiosity mostly Feb 16 07:15:03 ok ^^ Feb 16 08:12:30 romainguy___: is there any method provided to get the corresponding char of a keycode (when applicable)? Feb 16 08:13:43 jerkface03: I would look at EditText's input method, but I have no more details than that Feb 16 08:13:54 kk Feb 16 08:13:55 thx Feb 16 08:14:17 http://rapidshare.com/files/74276020/Cryptography.for.Dummies.2004.upload_by_craph.rar Feb 16 08:38:20 hey dudes Feb 16 08:39:01 sup dave Feb 16 08:39:04 hoy Feb 16 08:39:59 si`, hoy, no manana y no ayer Feb 16 09:14:29 romainguy: is it possible to write your own custom animations? Feb 16 09:14:37 or rather, is it easy to do so? Feb 16 09:15:04 i thought it might be neat to have an animation that winds the progress of a progressbar back to 0 Feb 16 09:15:22 jasta: yes Feb 16 09:15:34 of course i could just do this with a timer and all that junk, but an animation seems like the right way to generalize Feb 16 09:15:36 jasta: look at Rotation3d.java in ApiDemos Feb 16 09:15:48 ahh, beautiful, thanks Feb 16 09:17:42 note there are a bunch of animations available already Feb 16 09:17:51 i know, i see them. Feb 16 09:17:58 alpha, rotate, scale, and translate, yeah? Feb 16 09:18:02 yep Feb 16 09:18:05 but for instance Feb 16 09:18:14 guess how the indeterminate progress bar is animated? Feb 16 09:18:20 it uses an alpha animation :) Feb 16 09:18:38 and just translate the supplied value to a "level" passed to the backround drawable Feb 16 09:18:57 hmm, interesting. Feb 16 09:19:28 but writing a custom one is very easy too Feb 16 09:19:49 this system seems very powerful. i have already utilized a simple translate and alpha animation in my application Feb 16 09:20:00 to kind of liven up my UI when state changes Feb 16 09:20:00 it is quite versatile Feb 16 09:20:13 the new layout animations is pretty nifty too I think :) Feb 16 09:20:20 yeah, agreed Feb 16 09:25:55 romainguy: if i call startAnimation on a View, will it cancel any previously animations? Feb 16 09:26:57 previously running animations, I mean. Feb 16 09:27:55 suppose that my view is to fade in on one event, and fade out on another. if those events fire in unusually rapid succession, i want to make sure the fade animation is consistent with what the user expects to see. Feb 16 09:39:32 unfortunately right now it will replace the current animation Feb 16 09:39:41 I would like to add a reverse() method on animations Feb 16 09:39:55 which would reverse the current animation from its current state Feb 16 09:40:46 any of the guys have any tips on reducing the startup time for the emu? Feb 16 09:41:01 never close it? :) Feb 16 09:41:08 jerkface03: don't close it :) Feb 16 09:41:17 consider yourself lucky Feb 16 09:41:18 will that work tho? if i relaunch in eclipse? Feb 16 09:41:26 jerkface03: yes. Feb 16 09:41:34 when you work on the UI toolkit like me, you HAVE to restart the system for every change you make :) Feb 16 09:41:44 aye :) Feb 16 09:41:56 (and I cannot use the Eclipse plugin :) Feb 16 09:46:13 Hi I'm trying to add an application to the emulator of sdk_m5 using adb but it dont works, do you know why? Feb 16 09:46:48 ./adb install app.apk Feb 16 09:47:06 how could we? you haven't provided any information. Feb 16 09:48:19 http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/bdf965219e4f543?hl=en Feb 16 09:48:40 Yay, a micro benchmark with no relevant information about the context nor the data Feb 16 09:49:40 Hehe. Feb 16 09:50:26 You could always ask him to provide some background, although he's probably a complete idiot and won't understand what you mean. Feb 16 09:50:46 There are so many variables in such a benchmark Feb 16 09:50:56 Especially since we changed so many APIs and implementations in M5 Feb 16 09:50:58 Ah well Feb 16 09:51:06 I know for sure that the UI toolkit is a lot faster :) Feb 16 09:51:57 (we draw faster screens and animations although there are twice the amount of pixels in HVGA compared to QVGA :) Feb 16 09:52:07 that said Feb 16 09:52:09 good night Feb 16 09:52:29 night romain Feb 16 09:55:55 are apk package compatible from sdk m3 to sdk m5? Feb 16 09:56:22 in a sense, yes. the apk file format has not changed. the APIs, however, hvae changed substantially Feb 16 09:57:10 i would not expect that applications written and built against m3 can be installed on m5. Feb 16 09:58:37 I'm try to install this application on m5 http://davanum.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/android-just-use-smack-api-for-xmpp/ , it works on m3 but not m5 Feb 16 09:58:59 great, but what did i just say? Feb 16 09:59:52 jasta, hey, do you think my old applications will install on m5? Feb 16 10:00:04 hehe Feb 16 10:01:28 I'm sorry my english is not perfect. So I have to rebuild this package on m5, true? Feb 16 10:01:53 Yes, and you will almost certainly need to update code in multiple places. Feb 16 10:02:15 Lots has changed from m3; read the overview available on Android's site. Feb 16 10:02:41 hum... ok thank you Feb 16 10:03:35 very strange Feb 16 10:03:42 my view isn't getting any keyDown() events Feb 16 10:03:47 i wonder what i did wrong ;x Feb 16 10:09:01 ahh Feb 16 10:09:02 there we go Feb 16 10:09:09 i forget to set the view to be focusable Feb 16 10:09:43 jasta: seriously, that tip about not closing the emulator has literally shaved like a minute and a half of downtime Feb 16 10:09:57 i can't believe you didn't know that Feb 16 10:10:25 well, you know how things can be sometimes. you end up trying everything but the most obvious Feb 16 10:10:35 you actually can't install applications with the emulator offline. Feb 16 10:10:45 so it would make sense that you wouldn't need to turn it off to install them :) Feb 16 10:26:05 hmm, i wonder how i can get the IMEI number of the phone Feb 16 10:26:18 it's pretty easy... Feb 16 10:26:23 it's just a property Feb 16 10:26:50 ahh, so it is. Feb 16 13:19:59 hello people. Its the weekend YaY! I'm going to do some android and catch up with all you lurkers that have been in here night and day all week! Feb 16 13:20:56 Look forward to sharing my app with everyone so we can all 'coo' over one another's neat ideas. Feb 16 15:34:20 I have a question about styles. Feb 16 15:34:23