**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 29 10:59:56 2008 Feb 29 11:51:32 hello there Feb 29 11:51:35 android Feb 29 11:51:47 any media player widget with ready to go play, stop, pause, forward, rewind etc.,? Feb 29 11:51:58 muthu Feb 29 11:52:10 hi sandesh Feb 29 11:52:11 tell me where to put my html page in android Feb 29 11:52:16 is it in asset Feb 29 11:52:25 you can put in asset Feb 29 11:52:27 or raw Feb 29 11:52:42 wht abt JS Feb 29 11:53:49 yeah same way Feb 29 11:54:13 muthu i want to open javascript web page in android how do i do ti Feb 29 11:54:36 through application Feb 29 11:54:43 you can use the browser Feb 29 11:54:56 no through my application Feb 29 11:55:10 http://web_address Feb 29 11:55:11 https://web_address VIEW Open a browser window to the URL specified. Feb 29 11:55:38 look at list of intents in the docs Feb 29 12:39:36 hey im wondering is there a way to clone a view? Feb 29 12:40:54 basically what i wanna do is create a xml layout, and then be able to add it dynamically to other view groups Feb 29 13:48:57 romain: are you there? Feb 29 13:53:24 it's around 6:00 AM on the west coast... Feb 29 13:53:32 hi dims Feb 29 13:53:37 good to know ;) Feb 29 13:53:44 what are you doing so early? Feb 29 13:54:11 your examples rock! Feb 29 13:56:02 muthu: am on the west coast Feb 29 13:56:57 is it possible to have a relative layout in a linear layout? Feb 29 13:57:20 im getting an illegal layout params exception... Feb 29 14:00:13 kurzum: i guess you should be able to Feb 29 14:00:22 anybody know if anyone is working on a Android BitTorrent client for the Developer Challenge? Feb 29 14:04:09 yeah but it doesnt work... i have a relative layout with WRAP_CONTENT, WRAP_CONTENT relative layout params, but adding it to a linear layout throws an exception... Feb 29 14:16:55 Kurzum. you need to add more into the layout for RL Feb 29 14:17:07 like align_parent_top Feb 29 14:17:12 and right or left Feb 29 14:17:18 otherwise it doesn't work Feb 29 14:18:20 i figured it out already, but still im wondering if theres a way to clone a view? Feb 29 14:18:32 what do you mean? Feb 29 14:18:46 can you just use viewinflate? Feb 29 14:19:02 so you could use it accross your app Feb 29 14:19:29 well if you have a layout with some views in your xml file, shouldnt it be possible to just load it and add it dynamically to other view groups? Feb 29 14:20:08 well yes Feb 29 14:20:55 yes but if you just add it youd add a reference to the original view gorup and not a copy Feb 29 14:20:57 (groupview)gp.add((LinerLayout) viewinflate(R.layout.viewid)) Feb 29 14:21:01 somwthing along those lines Feb 29 14:21:35 ah viewinflate! Feb 29 14:21:51 i guess thats exactly what i need Feb 29 14:21:53 thanks a lot :) Feb 29 14:22:26 np :) I was looking for the same answer a month ago over here so I just pass on the knowledge Feb 29 14:24:05 thats the spirit :P Feb 29 14:28:06 hey, new day new challenge ^^ okay I took my time and understand now the IRemoteService, the problem is now...it binds to the service, thats fine, but how do I start the service now? Feb 29 14:29:00 do I senss a TV-B-Gone :D Feb 29 14:43:22 kk I fixed it..its working..thx jasta for your help yesterday :-) it was yesterday a little bit to much, but now its working! Feb 29 16:07:17 android00: you start by defining an interface that includes a way to start work. Feb 29 16:08:04 again, you are starting the service when you bind to it, so you have to think about the service at two layers. Feb 29 16:08:21 Android sees it as started when you connect to it, but you can view it simply as "waiting to be started". Feb 29 16:08:39 does findViewById work with inflated views? Feb 29 16:08:43 Then, you can invoke some method on the service to make it start doing work. Android doesn't know the difference between your idle service and your active one. Feb 29 16:08:49 kurzum: Yes, of course. Feb 29 16:09:25 strange, because it returns null for a view defined in the inflated view... Feb 29 16:09:50 kurzum: I've used it with inflated views before Feb 29 16:10:02 then im doing something wrong :) Feb 29 16:10:08 yup ;) Feb 29 16:10:17 android:id vs id maybe? Feb 29 16:10:22 nope... Feb 29 16:10:52 the inflated view does not need to be setContentView'd right? Feb 29 16:10:59 nope Feb 29 16:11:34 as a quick test, you could just recursively scan the returned view and print getId on each view Feb 29 16:11:41 all im doing is, im inflating a view (this works), then im calling findViewById on that view Feb 29 16:11:45 and make sure that it is as you expect it to be Feb 29 16:11:56 I implemented the IRemote into my activity and my service...the service starts and runs, but the connection has an issue...just trying to find the problem....because the ServiceConnection method disables/enables buttons, but this doesnt happen.. Feb 29 16:12:25 android00: serviceconnection is insufficient to determine if your service is busy in this model. Feb 29 16:12:25 im dynamically adding it to a layout and it displays correctly as defined Feb 29 16:12:37 android00: you have stopped short of implementing the critical next part of this design. Feb 29 16:12:38 kurzum: ViewInflate vi = ViewInflate.from(mCtx); Feb 29 16:12:38 LinearLayout row = (LinearLayout) vi.inflate(R.layout.radio_row, null, null); Feb 29 16:12:38 TextView txt = (TextView) row.findViewById(R.id.radio_text); Feb 29 16:13:57 what do you mean with that? Feb 29 16:14:43 exactly, im just using getViewInflate, getting the inflated view and adding it to another view group works, only viewViewById returns null, and the id definately exists Feb 29 16:17:25 ah nevermind :) another statement on the same line throws the exception and i automatically assumed its findViewById Feb 29 16:17:27 sry :) Feb 29 16:20:32 findViewById doesn't throw an exception Feb 29 16:20:34 it just returns null Feb 29 16:23:51 yep and if you try to do something with the return value it returns a nullpointerexception Feb 29 16:24:01 throws* Feb 29 16:41:01 ok the example does bindServic(new Intent(IRemoteService.class.getName()),mConnection,..) thats not working in my program... instead I use bindService(new Intent(Avtivity.this,Service.class),mConnection,...) the second one starts the service but the mConnection enables/disables the buttons,sets Text and thats not done...so I guess there is an Issue....I guess you know excatly whats wrong Feb 29 16:43:36 android00: why do you insist on ignoring information that you need? Feb 29 16:43:50 i told you, the connection state is not going to tell you if the service is started or not Feb 29 16:44:24 man... you say something and I dont understand it...so I am not ignoring... Feb 29 16:45:11 so if i tell you something that you dont understand, what are you doing with it? Feb 29 16:45:31 is this really a question? Feb 29 16:45:40 are you asking follow-up questions or reading documentation until you do understand it? or are you simply pretending it was irrelevant? Feb 29 16:46:00 what do you do if say this to you: 0234234 ... I guess nothing, because you dont understand the sense... Feb 29 16:46:08 i ask you what you mean Feb 29 16:46:29 does that not seem obvious to you? Feb 29 16:47:06 just keep it simple for me....you know :-) Feb 29 16:47:11 no, i don't know. Feb 29 16:48:17 do you believe that the information i'm giving you is wrong? Feb 29 16:48:21 or not relevant? Feb 29 16:49:34 i told you, the connection state is not going to tell you if the service is started or not .... you mean the onServiceConnected() method? but why is it working in the IRemote Example? Feb 29 16:50:02 it isn't "working" for the RemoteService example, because the RemoteService is not attempting to solve the same problem as you. Feb 29 16:50:14 you are trying to determine if your service is busy performing work, right? Feb 29 16:51:00 onServiceConnected() only determines if the service is present, but is insufficient to learn if the service is performing work or is idle. Feb 29 16:51:04 no I just copied the IRemote into my Service and Activtivity and there is an issue Feb 29 16:51:28 obviously there is, because you've wrecklessly plowed through code you don't understand without stopping to try. Feb 29 16:52:20 i told you many times already that you must implement a service interface which describes more precisely the concept of work that your service has, and then you can safely connect and bind and ask the service what's going on, and let you observe what it's doing. Feb 29 16:52:56 therefore, the services "start" state is irrelevant to you. you can bind to it when the activity starts without affecting its behaviour Feb 29 16:53:37 but if you think you can ignore that extra service interface layer then you are wrong, and you will never make it work correctly. Feb 29 16:54:16 you, for some unknown reason, assumed that you could simply ignore parts of the conversation you didn't understand, and have now probably wasted half a day. Feb 29 16:56:19 bbl, work Feb 29 17:23:38 hey romain Feb 29 17:23:52 i meant to follow-up about an issue i was pondering the other day... Feb 29 17:23:54 you around? Feb 29 17:24:30 jasta: what issue? Feb 29 17:25:49 when you have an activity which logically belongs to a database item (like editing a contact), is there a recommended practice for managing the case of row delete, row change, etc? Feb 29 17:26:20 I have no idea :) Feb 29 17:26:35 Currently in my application I have deployed a managed cursor to set a sort of header text view, even though i expect that the data is unlikely to ever change or go away, it is possible. Feb 29 17:26:40 long time since I've done any CRUD Feb 29 17:27:15 for example, if while the user is on the screen, the background service starts synchronizing and decides to delete the row, when my activity is resumed, it will detect this through its managed cursor and simply call finish Feb 29 17:27:24 but perhaps that is a jolting respond from the user's perspective Feb 29 17:28:02 i thought about extending it by even having a content observer on the managed cursor which would then let me finish() immediately upon the row deletion Feb 29 17:28:04 ah ok I see what you mean Feb 29 17:28:14 but again, that would seem even more jolting Feb 29 17:28:26 could you display a message to warn the user? Feb 29 17:28:40 also, the data could potentially change (they could edit tags, and the artist name change slightly), but is uppose that will be less alarming to the user. Feb 29 17:28:56 romainguy__: right, i could do anything of course, but i'm looking to Google for maybe some recommended practices. Feb 29 17:29:00 also, what is the likelihood of such an event ? Feb 29 17:29:22 hop my bus arrived Feb 29 17:29:22 sorry Feb 29 17:29:26 unlikely, but certainly possible. Feb 29 17:40:30 re Feb 29 17:41:53 hmm Feb 29 17:42:26 romainguy: so, any thoughts? Feb 29 17:42:39 I would say don't bother about it Feb 29 17:42:47 i'm trying to come up with a general strategy through my app. Feb 29 17:42:58 like for example, if an activity gets called with a content url Feb 29 17:43:03 what to do if that query fails to return any rows? Feb 29 17:43:14 that is a much more likely case if you don't handle the first one... Feb 29 17:43:28 the user might have left the app running looking at an artist or album and never return to it for days, long after they delete it Feb 29 17:43:41 then when they go back if they click on any item that won't exist, an activity will get spawned and then what? Feb 29 17:43:52 i think it seems bad to have the app just appear to ignore them Feb 29 17:44:13 would it be possible to finish() an activity and display a Toast while the activity is leaving? Feb 29 17:44:29 yeah Feb 29 17:44:47 that seems like the best way to handle each case. Feb 29 17:45:07 if a row disappears mysteriously, should just finish and throw up a Toast with some humorous dialogue :) Feb 29 17:45:25 that way if they arent paying attention to their phone, they wont even care what you did Feb 29 17:45:29 has anybody see disreptancy between windiows and linux ? Feb 29 17:45:29 it will just seem like "cleanup" Feb 29 17:45:41 acsia: Uhm, quite a few? :) Feb 29 17:46:01 I have an app with that does not finish() on windows... Feb 29 17:46:06 and plays fine on linux Feb 29 17:46:08 ... Feb 29 17:46:15 what? Feb 29 17:46:20 I ve been struggling for days Feb 29 17:46:42 you have probably called finish() outside the UI thread, which would have unpredictable results. Feb 29 17:46:53 hum.. Feb 29 17:47:01 does that sound like a possibility? Feb 29 17:47:56 well I have a onKeyDown and in there, I call the finish() on my main application Feb 29 17:48:05 onKeyDown is in the UI thread Feb 29 17:48:06 the problem might be related to threads Feb 29 17:48:23 how do you mean on your main application, though? Feb 29 17:48:23 before quiting, I kill the thread Feb 29 17:48:50 on linux it is all good, in windoes, I need to click twice to make it work Feb 29 17:48:57 are you calling any UI methods at all on the non-UI thread? Feb 29 17:49:31 acsia: very strange Feb 29 17:49:33 well have you played with the CameraPreview exemple? Feb 29 17:49:42 no Feb 29 17:50:11 it uses surface view and another thread to update the surface Feb 29 17:50:19 but the finish is completely outside... Feb 29 17:50:23 this is killing me Feb 29 17:50:34 oh well, do you think google uses windows or linux :D Feb 29 17:50:50 both Feb 29 17:51:03 it is such a pain, I had it nearly finish within linux and just wanted to give it a try on windows Feb 29 17:51:04 acsia: the problem is not related to windows versus linux, i assure you. Feb 29 17:51:15 did you debug and see if the keypress is registering in windows? Feb 29 17:51:26 it is merely an illusion that one shows the problem and the other doesn't. you have a concurrency problem certainly. Feb 29 17:51:35 I have not, I just installed really quickly to see if it worked ok Feb 29 17:52:12 cause if it's calling finish() then yeah jasta's prolly right, if it's not maybe it could be an emulator bug Feb 29 17:52:14 the thing is, misuse of concurrency is not guaranteed not to work, it's only not guaranteed to work :) Feb 29 17:52:42 haha Feb 29 17:53:07 I will go over my code again, try to hack it a bit Feb 29 17:53:38 acsia: Check that the onKeyDown listener is actually firing. If there is an emulator bug, it would definitely be at that layer. Feb 29 17:53:41 That is, at the device input layer. Feb 29 17:54:02 Not at any layer above the kernel. Feb 29 17:54:25 or could be some kind of touchmode v non touch mode bug or something... Feb 29 17:54:40 yeah, but that bug wouldn't be observed by changing the platform Feb 29 17:54:42 but that would probably happen on both emulators Feb 29 17:54:45 right Feb 29 17:54:48 o well, so I need to setup a windows box with eclipse... Feb 29 17:55:04 no you wouldn't Feb 29 17:55:11 apk files are portable dummy ;) Feb 29 17:56:11 yeah, but to debug might need eclipse Feb 29 17:56:19 clearer in eclipse Feb 29 17:56:34 printf debugging will work just fine on this one. just test that the finish() method is definitely being called. Feb 29 17:56:46 (that onKeyDown is being fired implicitly) Feb 29 17:56:54 and if it is, then you know your bug is concurrency. so fix it :) Feb 29 17:57:06 if not, then you can reasonably assume there is some goofy bug in the windows device input layer Feb 29 17:57:47 i suspect you are manipulating the UI in your worker thread somewhere :) Feb 29 17:58:30 also, you might try ripping out the functionality in question and trying to reproduce it in a simple test case. that way we could review your code ;) Feb 29 17:59:52 yes... I did that previously and posted on anddev Feb 29 18:00:02 http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/iphone-software-development-to-be-locked-down-by-apple/ Feb 29 18:00:05 but that was a while ago when my code was working Feb 29 18:01:08 let me just refactor the code a bit Feb 29 18:03:41 zhobbs: hehe Feb 29 18:04:36 that's pretty lame if true Feb 29 18:07:00 zhobbs: not hard to imagine. Feb 29 18:07:01 Apple sucks ;) Feb 29 18:07:20 apple is so arrogant Feb 29 18:35:08 errr... anyone know the gtalk character limit for a message? Feb 29 18:35:45 is there one? Feb 29 18:35:58 i would assume it would just fragment for you Feb 29 18:36:03 mmm... well, gtalk in gmail has a limit Feb 29 18:36:24 jasta: that would be cool if it partitions Feb 29 18:36:31 it should Feb 29 18:37:27 coo :) Feb 29 18:39:24 but it might not Feb 29 18:39:27 :_) Feb 29 18:41:17 jasta: any luck with tabhost? Feb 29 18:41:33 didn't implement it yet, not quite there yet. Feb 29 18:41:57 i'm stuck at showing a list for two tabs Feb 29 18:42:11 i mean i have two tabs, and want a listview for both of them Feb 29 18:42:12 i'm using it to provide a flexible main interface for locating music, having a tab host that lets you pick through various criteria, by album, by artist, by recently listened, by recently added Feb 29 18:42:21 i'm not sure how it will look with 4 tabs though Feb 29 18:42:35 tabs looks good Feb 29 18:42:39 except for the view management Feb 29 18:42:42 a bit cumbersome Feb 29 18:42:55 since its only one activity Feb 29 18:43:34 tabhost can have multiple activity's actually Feb 29 18:43:39 each tab could represent its own activity Feb 29 18:43:53 or it could just be a view, it's up to you Feb 29 18:44:11 i am implementing my interface to have separate activity's, though. Feb 29 18:44:39 correct Feb 29 18:44:52 you have to code a bit for that ;) Feb 29 18:45:48 can you add views to tabspec directly? Feb 29 18:46:26 dunno, haven't really investigated much yet Feb 29 18:46:28 i guess the tabspec is only the tab buttons Feb 29 18:46:30 probably will this weekend though Feb 29 18:46:48 ok.. androids dont like tabs i guess Feb 29 18:46:54 no examples Feb 29 18:47:12 muthu: tabs were removed for a while, then they came back Feb 29 18:47:23 we thought they were going away completely which is why we wrote no docs for them Feb 29 18:47:32 they came back, but they have no docs yet :) Feb 29 18:47:39 morrildl: thanks for clarifying Feb 29 18:47:53 the tabs go against the design Feb 29 18:48:46 the end users love tabs :) Feb 29 18:50:07 listview and tabs - the deadly combo! Feb 29 18:53:05 muthu: "ListView + Tabs: The one-two punch of UX" Feb 29 18:53:45 ha ha Feb 29 18:57:33 @jasta: I have read now the interface how to, have looked into the IRemoteService Example and cant find how this example(RemoteServiceBinding) starts the RemoteService, maybe you can tell me which command starts this service? Feb 29 18:58:18 android00: Services are started automatically when they are needed Feb 29 18:58:47 Binding to a service will cause the system to start it, if it's not already running Feb 29 18:58:50 android00: I told you that you have to define your own concept of "started". that is why i keep referring to "doing work" versus "being started" Feb 29 18:59:22 how do i define my own concept of "started"? Feb 29 18:59:34 think of starting your service as instantiating it, you must then provide an interface to make it do work. Feb 29 19:00:07 that interface can be whatever you please. i even gave you an example interface you could implement. Feb 29 19:00:31 I implementet this interface Feb 29 19:00:39 no you didn't Feb 29 19:00:49 then tell me how I can do it Feb 29 19:01:30 tell me what you don't understand first Feb 29 19:02:08 I have the aidl files in my package -> creates two java files Feb 29 19:03:51 my activity binds with bindService(new Intent(IMyServices.class.getName(),mCOnnection,...) Feb 29 19:04:40 but I cant find how this points to the class MyServices? Feb 29 19:05:01 because I bind to IMyServices Feb 29 19:05:53 You bind to a service, and then the service uses an interface to communication with the activity. The interface is what you create with AIDL Feb 29 19:06:11 This is used by the remote service example too. Feb 29 19:06:59 android00: BTW, there is a difference between the service itself and the interface defined in the AIDL files. The service is an overall implementation of what those interfaces are trying to accomplish. Feb 29 19:07:01 also, you don't need getName(), just use MyService.class Feb 29 19:07:19 You don't bind to an interface Feb 29 19:07:29 yes but the examples does Feb 29 19:07:38 android00: You're not much of a programmer, are you? Feb 29 19:08:19 You seem to only want to copy and butcher code rather than thoughtfully analyze your requirements and the APIs you have in front of you. Feb 29 19:08:55 Do you recognize that there is a problem with that approach? Feb 29 19:09:09 Ahh, I see that the example does bind by interface name Feb 29 19:09:14 jasta: really? ;) Feb 29 19:09:19 its not necessary to develop the same thing again Feb 29 19:09:40 any media widget available? Feb 29 19:09:49 so i can hack it and make my own :) Feb 29 19:10:23 @zhobbs: yes and thats what I dont understand, where comes thes service into game? Feb 29 19:10:33 android00: It is necessary that you understand the APIs Android provides and how conceptually you would accomplish your goals. Feb 29 19:11:30 android00: because you implement the Stub for your Interface in your service class Feb 29 19:11:32 Your overall approach is wrong here, and you'll never learn to do this well until you change that. Feb 29 19:12:09 Before you write any code, try to figure out the relationship between an activity, a service, and the interfaces generated by aidl files. Feb 29 19:12:11 I just want to write to test example and not being a pro in programming android... Feb 29 19:12:44 android00: Your intentions are irrelevant. You must understand what conceptually you need before you can implement it. Feb 29 19:13:17 Mutating existing code hoping that it will just happen to work as you expect is futile. Stop doing that. Feb 29 19:13:25 jasta: to be fair, I've worked with lots of programmers that lack that skill :) Feb 29 19:13:43 Me too, but they're useless retards. Feb 29 19:14:06 ha ha Feb 29 19:14:13 yes the Service Creates the Stub...hm... Feb 29 19:14:27 Thankfully in this setting, we can confess it to them. It's much harder when they share an office with you :) Feb 29 19:14:47 android00: The service doesn't create the stub, the aidl generator does. Feb 29 19:14:54 may be you can ask them to check out the #android channel Feb 29 19:14:58 The service implements one of those interfaces, though. Feb 29 19:15:11 Perhaps many of them, evenn. Feb 29 19:15:12 even* Feb 29 19:16:02 But for your case, it need only implement one. Feb 29 19:16:04 jasta: how to implement the media tracker bar Feb 29 19:16:13 Hmm? Feb 29 19:16:37 muthu: horizontal progressbar? Feb 29 19:16:48 yeah some sort of a progress bar Feb 29 19:16:54 what's the best way to update? Feb 29 19:16:59 a progress bar is implemented with a progress bar. Feb 29 19:17:01 from thread Feb 29 19:17:16 riht Feb 29 19:17:34 muthu: Can you maybe actually tell us what you're talking about? :) Feb 29 19:17:49 jasta: i donno what it's called Feb 29 19:17:54 Me neither, so describe it Feb 29 19:18:08 what function does this thing perform? :) Feb 29 19:18:24 zhobbs: help me, what is that damn thing called? Feb 29 19:18:35 i call it the tracker Feb 29 19:18:55 do you want to be able to move it? Feb 29 19:19:04 yeah you should Feb 29 19:19:11 very easy: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/250 Feb 29 19:19:53 bindService(new Intent(IMyServices.class.getName(),mConnection,...) whats the difference to bindService(new Intent(MyActivity.this,MyService.class,mConnection,...) Feb 29 19:20:06 just create subclass of ProgressBar and then override onTouchEvent Feb 29 19:20:11 zhobbs: i'm check it out Feb 29 19:20:13 thx Feb 29 19:22:29 android00: good question...not sure why you would bind by interface name, couldn't an interface be used in multiple different services? Feb 29 19:22:44 zhobbs: that looks like a progress bar update Feb 29 19:22:54 which is fine.... Feb 29 19:23:13 ok cool Feb 29 19:23:32 the example does it..... i mean bind to my class works...but the interface does transmit any data between the activity and service... Feb 29 19:23:39 muthu: you can change it graphically somehow, only prob is romainguy is the only guy who knows how :) Feb 29 19:23:49 oh, you mean a slider? Feb 29 19:24:06 i just cant figure out how the example works... which thing calls RemoteService.java (the service) ... i cant find this... Feb 29 19:24:12 Google has a slider in the maps app :) Feb 29 19:24:19 it's something to do with a level-based drawable Feb 29 19:24:24 but who knows how to change it at all Feb 29 19:24:37 android00: I told you to quit looking at code. Feb 29 19:24:43 Code isn't going to help you understand this Feb 29 19:25:27 for me its easier to understand code, the sentences what to do...because i dont know what to do then Feb 29 19:25:33 You need to conceptually understand what it is that you need to implement before you can implement it. If I explain it one more time will I be wasting my time? Feb 29 19:25:45 android00: It isn't easier because you don't understand shit. Feb 29 19:25:57 android00: is english your first language? Feb 29 19:26:00 android00: you said it was all working Feb 29 19:26:02 no Feb 29 19:26:04 what happened? Feb 29 19:26:25 android00: i saw you sending vote of thanks to jasta :) Feb 29 19:26:35 i thought its working... Feb 29 19:26:39 He barely listened to me. Feb 29 19:26:51 He just picked out pieces that were convenient for him and ran with it. Feb 29 19:26:58 ha ha Feb 29 19:27:01 Now he has a kludgy mess and still doesn't understand what I told him to do. Feb 29 19:27:14 but then i saw that the activity binds to the service, but not in that way i need Feb 29 19:27:24 android00: what does your service do? Feb 29 19:27:24 But instead of ask questions about it, he just happily continues on assuming that he can make his code work if he randomly changes things. Feb 29 19:27:37 to assume* Feb 29 19:28:59 the service just starts some network things which are working fine but the activity needs to talk to the service Feb 29 19:29:44 you familiar with debugging? Do you ever reach your ServiceConnection.onServiceConnected()? Feb 29 19:29:46 man there is 1 little issue why it isnt working....you wont tell me this...instead you want me to understand the whole processing the android does.... Feb 29 19:30:24 no it doesnt reach this code, because this code changes some Buttons from enabled to disabeld Feb 29 19:30:34 and this doesnt happen Feb 29 19:31:36 android00: Your issue is that you utterly refuse to understand that bindService will start your service is started, and so you must NOT implement your network activity in the service's onStart() method. Feb 29 19:31:38 well, if you want to zip the project up and email I'll take a quick look, but it's kinda hard to debug over irc Feb 29 19:31:52 will ensure your service is started, I meant. Feb 29 19:31:56 jasta: i am not stupid! Feb 29 19:32:15 android00: I know you're not, but you are trying to learn in a profoundly stupid way. Feb 29 19:32:37 Compounded by your unwillingness to realize that. How many freaking hours have you spent on this problem? Feb 29 19:33:11 aehm i dont know... 5h? Feb 29 19:33:22 Using a different approach, I implemented what you are trying to in just about an hour. Do you think maybe it's time for a different approach? Feb 29 19:33:52 I had no advantage you did not have; I didn't write Android, I had to learn how it was supposed to work just as you do. Feb 29 19:35:26 you are a professionell programmer, I am not... its not a week since I started with android.... I can understand code but if you say do this do that, that doesnt help me...because i dont know how to implement into my programm Feb 29 19:35:57 Ugh. Feb 29 19:36:01 You are so frustrating I want to scream. Feb 29 19:36:10 Stop making excuses for yourself. Feb 29 19:36:16 thats why i am looking at code and understand the whats the code doing... Feb 29 19:36:27 Alright, forget it. Figure it out on your own. Feb 29 19:36:57 Or perhaps one of these #android folks will just do it for you. Feb 29 19:37:05 That way, you'll never have to learn. Perfect. Feb 29 19:37:33 you say things something like "fruit."... after you said this, you want me to tell you the color.... Feb 29 19:37:58 Shut up Feb 29 19:38:47 i appreciate that you want me to help, but if u dont explain it in an easy way, how can i understand it? Feb 29 19:38:58 to help me Feb 29 19:39:00 Stop talking to me Feb 29 19:39:55 lol Feb 29 19:40:34 tz.... its like school.... if the teacher cant explain things in an easy way how can the children understand it.....tzzzzz Feb 29 19:42:19 lol Feb 29 19:50:19 ok the finish() happens, I can get back to the calling Activity but the view is not refreshed... Feb 29 19:50:25 I am going mental Feb 29 19:50:30 and this is still with R3 Feb 29 19:50:38 and surfaveview was removed Feb 29 19:51:07 i think it is enough for today Feb 29 20:21:22 upgrade Feb 29 20:21:25 that's all i can say Feb 29 20:21:28 but it'll be a pain :D Feb 29 20:28:18 if someone can tell me which command the Service starts (RemoteService.java) from the RemoteServiceBinding.java example that would be awesome Feb 29 20:28:33 i'm goingout to lunch Feb 29 20:28:54 shalom Feb 29 20:28:57 hi Feb 29 23:26:24 interesting, i never knew about java's >>> operator. Feb 29 23:26:51 what is that again? unsigned shift? Feb 29 23:27:00 basically Mar 01 00:33:10 Where did all the samples go in the SDK? Mar 01 00:35:32 they're still present. in fact, there are more. Mar 01 00:35:45 how do I get to them on the emulator? Mar 01 00:35:58 They are accessible as applications just like any other. Mar 01 00:36:07 hmm Mar 01 00:36:17 ApiDemos buddy Mar 01 00:36:39 There is a button on the m5 home screen that shows you your applications. Did you push it? Mar 01 00:36:41 yeah that where they were before, but I don't see that now Mar 01 00:37:00