**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 05 10:59:56 2008 Mar 05 11:35:56 anyone have an example of the extended version of this? "@[+][package:]type:name" Mar 05 11:51:24 is there no more default LocationProvider? Mar 05 11:51:31 gps that is? Mar 05 11:52:01 LocationProvider provider = this.myLocationManager.getProvider("gps"); // ??? Mar 05 11:52:18 yes Mar 05 11:52:23 does it work? Mar 05 11:52:35 LocationManager lm =(LocationManager) this.getSystemService(Context.LOCATION_SERVICE); Mar 05 11:52:35 Log.i("MyLog", lm.getProviders().toString()); Mar 05 11:52:44 returns an empty array Mar 05 11:53:25 yes it works Mar 05 11:54:22 latest sdk Mar 05 11:54:40 yes I have the latest sdk... Mar 05 11:54:44 strange... Mar 05 11:55:57 do you use android.permission.ACCESS_LOCATION? Mar 05 12:07:34 or better ... does anyone know where in the docs the different bits of "@[+][package:]type:name" are explained? Mar 05 12:09:49 I must say I am confused as well about the notation Mar 05 12:11:02 style="?android:attr/progressBarStyleHorizontal" Mar 05 12:11:47 it should be in the resources section Mar 05 12:12:54 or may be the theme Mar 05 12:13:53 ok bug in documentation, android.Manifest.permission.ACCESS_LOCATION should be android.permission.ACCESS_LOCATION Mar 05 12:14:00 ... Mar 05 12:55:58 ascia: no its probably no documentation bug Mar 05 12:56:09 the constant is named "android.Manifest.permission.ACCESS_LOCATION" Mar 05 12:56:21 but "the value behind" is: "android.permission.ACCESS_LOCATION" Mar 05 12:56:33 but yes, its confusing ;) Mar 05 13:00:04 public TabSpec setContent(Intent intent) Mar 05 13:00:10 any tried above? Mar 05 13:00:31 setting a tab content to an intent, instead of a view Mar 05 13:00:59 nope just done with resID Mar 05 13:01:31 yeah that works Mar 05 13:01:44 tried to clean up code Mar 05 13:02:00 but throwing NPE Mar 05 13:02:19 my idea is to have a separate activity per tab Mar 05 13:02:39 dunno, sorry Mar 05 13:03:27 ok.. i'm going back to the hacky but working code Mar 05 13:27:53 JUnit works no more since m5-rc15 :( Mar 05 13:27:55 Error occurred during initialization of VM Mar 05 13:28:00 java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/ref/FinalReference Mar 05 13:55:25 hi Mar 05 14:06:42 good evening Mar 05 14:14:11 I try to get my UID with android.os.Process.myPid() but it gives me a null pointer... Any ideas? Mar 05 14:16:35 can you get the process from the context? Mar 05 14:17:58 how would you do so? Mar 05 14:18:16 I am trying to get the User ID of the running application Mar 05 14:23:02 may be only your process available with a context..not sure Mar 05 14:43:41 * davidw swears at the damn icon things Mar 05 14:45:23 http://code.google.com/p/apps-for-android/ Mar 05 15:14:37 hello Mar 05 15:16:11 hey Mar 05 15:16:20 YES! I got it...it worked Mar 05 15:16:25 this icon stuff is psychotic Mar 05 15:19:04 anyone trying to port android to the iphone? Mar 05 15:22:20 davidw: what did you do? :-O Mar 05 15:22:47 notjohn, sounds kind of backwards to me Mar 05 15:22:57 davidw: i understand... just curious Mar 05 15:23:00 Lede, replaced the application icon with zip Mar 05 15:23:08 notjohn, you'd want to get linux running first Mar 05 15:23:17 davidw: with zip? Mar 05 15:23:35 yeah Mar 05 15:23:40 but it's really weird how it works Mar 05 15:24:01 i have no idea what you mean with "replaced with zip" Mar 05 15:24:16 i just like the form factor of the iphone Mar 05 15:25:53 lede zip Foo.apk res/drawable/icon.png Mar 05 15:26:10 easy ... right? apparently not. Mar 05 15:40:11 davidw: oh ok you mean that Mar 05 15:40:20 davidw: sorry, was afk for a sec Mar 05 16:40:17 are there any specs on android phones coming to market? Mar 05 16:55:13 notjohn: no Mar 05 17:08:40 anyone tried adding Intents as a tab content? Mar 05 17:09:36 tabhost tabspec works ok with views as contents, but not for intents Mar 05 17:09:43 NPE is thrown Mar 05 17:11:18 TabHost.TabSpec#public TabSpec setContent(Intent intent) Mar 05 17:11:57 ? Mar 05 17:12:05 ?? Mar 05 17:12:08 ??? Mar 05 17:12:10 ???? Mar 05 17:12:21 ????? Mar 05 17:12:35 eih....? Mar 05 17:12:37 di casa? Mar 05 17:13:08 is there anyone? Mar 05 17:14:25 hi Mar 05 17:22:16 Can the screen orientation be already toggled ? Mar 05 17:22:28 try ctrl-pagedown Mar 05 17:25:02 huh nice, I only remember that adb-command :) thx Mar 05 17:29:25 if there are several resources identifying LandScape or Protrait mode, which will be used after toggling? Mar 05 17:29:36 the same as before? Mar 05 17:29:41 ? Mar 05 17:29:59 there's no to have a resource that switches is there? Mar 05 17:30:05 no way to* Mar 05 17:30:13 argh... g2g Mar 05 17:30:25 ./afk Mar 05 17:32:58 when you toggle, your activity is restarted Mar 05 17:33:03 and it wil pick up the resources for the new orientation Mar 05 17:33:13 I guess that's an easy way to test activity lifecycle Mar 05 17:42:45 oh shit Mar 05 17:42:53 i went to bed at 2:30am last nighta nd forgot to set an alarm ;) Mar 05 17:43:04 i am so lucky i woke up when i did :) Mar 05 17:59:10 Hi all, i installed the eclipse plugin, specified the SDK location in eclipse prefs but when i create a project i get an error "nature does not exist" ... any ideas ? I have no idea where to go from here.... Mar 05 18:02:34 the exact error i get is "Problems encountered while setting project description. Mar 05 18:02:34 Nature does not exist: com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.AndroidNature. Mar 05 18:02:34 " Mar 05 18:02:41 anyone know what that means ? Mar 05 18:04:01 do you have the latest version of plugin? Mar 05 18:04:11 yes i just installed it Mar 05 18:04:20 using he update wizard in eclipse Mar 05 18:04:24 or the update installer i should say Mar 05 18:04:33 hmm Mar 05 18:04:42 you have to uninstall/reinstall for update Mar 05 18:04:52 don't think you can just use the normal update feature Mar 05 18:04:59 ver 0.4.0.200802... Mar 05 18:05:23 i used this link - https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ in the eclipse plugin manager Mar 05 18:05:41 so your saying uninstall and reinstall manually ? Mar 05 18:05:51 did you install both plugins? Mar 05 18:06:24 both plugins ? i follwed this instruction set - http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html#installingplugin Mar 05 18:06:55 it looks like it installed 3 things Mar 05 18:07:00 hmm, not sure Mar 05 18:07:02 ddms, common and adt Mar 05 18:17:09 ohhh, what is this new apps for android thing? Mar 05 18:18:15 jasta: we wanted to publish some projects that were more complex than what's bundled in the SDK Mar 05 18:18:44 does android have any charting packages for graphing sometime like a timeseries graph ? Mar 05 18:18:50 that's great Mar 05 18:18:56 jasta: so we decided to create a single project on google code project hosting Mar 05 18:19:37 jasta: we'll be adding additional apps soon, hopefully Mar 05 18:20:27 very nice. i've been eager to find out some of the "best practices" for Android, and this seems like a great way Mar 05 18:21:25 cool; that's exactly the sort of thing we were hoping to convey Mar 05 18:22:28 although sadly i feel like i've learned a lot of this the hard way already :) Mar 05 18:23:08 well, i think we might be looking for contributors to the project as well :-) Mar 05 18:23:30 jasonchen: One small comment, I think it would be good to distribute an Ant build environment with these apps. Mar 05 18:25:29 i don't have time to dig into the rest, but i like what i see anyway :) Mar 05 18:26:33 jasta: the activityCreator utility can do that for you Mar 05 18:26:55 but good to hear that you like it so far Mar 05 18:27:34 does it install and run? Mar 05 18:27:52 muthu: you mean the WikiNotes for Android app? Mar 05 18:27:57 yes jason Mar 05 18:28:01 yep Mar 05 18:28:20 it's a fully functioning and somewhat useful app Mar 05 18:28:33 hmm.. i'm not seeing it in the emulator Mar 05 18:28:42 are you on m5? Mar 05 18:28:53 yes r15 Mar 05 18:29:55 what is the best way for a developer to get started with android developement (i have 5 years java and adobe flex dev experience) ? I'm looking for some kind of newbie doc itherwise I'll resort to reading the api... Mar 05 18:30:02 adb install is fine Mar 05 18:30:08 but not showing up in emulator Mar 05 18:30:32 nkbreau: looking at the samples is a good way to quickly familiarize yourself. they are distributed with the SDK. Mar 05 18:30:53 nkbreau: APIDemos samples will help Mar 05 18:30:54 yup that's the best way Mar 05 18:31:02 ok, I'll open that up, thanks. Mar 05 18:31:15 Notepad is good for content providers Mar 05 18:31:46 my I suggest www.anddev.org ? oops ;) Mar 05 18:31:54 oh yeah !! Mar 05 18:32:04 anddev definitely :) Mar 05 18:32:24 great job +- Mar 05 18:32:38 you're welcome :) Mar 05 18:33:42 muthu: what happens if you restart the emulator? Mar 05 18:34:03 let me try Mar 05 18:35:39 now it shows up Mar 05 18:36:00 restarting the emulator did it Mar 05 18:36:43 muthu: cool; let me know if you continue to see a problem like that with apps not showing up in the emulator when they're first installed Mar 05 18:36:44 jasonchen: is that WikiNotes application available? Mar 05 18:37:18 zhobbs: it sure is; you can check it out from the svn repo for the apps-for-android project on Google Code Mar 05 18:38:00 hmm, this page is empty for me so I thought there wasn't anything in svn: http://code.google.com/p/apps-for-android/source/browse Mar 05 18:38:42 ohh...just doesn't work with opera Mar 05 18:38:44 there's a directory in trunk called WikiNotes Mar 05 18:39:32 damn, where can I report the bug with that page and opera? Mar 05 18:39:33 zhobbs: you don't want to do a full checkout? :-) Mar 05 18:39:46 what version of opera are you running? Mar 05 18:39:54 jasonchen: deletepage throws CursorIndexOutOfBounds Mar 05 18:40:04 jasonchen: no, I will...just initially hit browse svn to see if anything was in there and it looked empty so I thought it wasn't up yet Mar 05 18:40:17 jasonchen: 9.50 Mar 05 18:40:38 muthu: feel free to file a bug in the Issue Tracker for the project Mar 05 18:40:58 ok.. not functional Mar 05 18:42:01 muthu: i'll let dickwall know; he wrote this initial version Mar 05 18:42:07 sure, thx Mar 05 18:42:16 but best thing is to file it as an issue so we capture and track it Mar 05 18:42:40 ok Mar 05 18:44:19 done Mar 05 18:46:48 muthu: thanks Mar 05 18:47:53 now that i'm in the mood, entered a couple of issues Mar 05 18:48:06 good night folks Mar 05 18:48:17 good evening! Mar 05 18:49:06 anyone know where i can find an exmaple that uses android.util.xml ? i want to make a servlet request and parse some xml Mar 05 18:56:43 "View.android.policiy.PhoneWindow$DecorView@40071b58 must be attached to a window." happens when runOnUIThread() is called and Activity is not yet/no more visible, right? Mar 05 18:58:03 that's when I've gotten it Mar 05 18:58:18 k thx. Mar 05 19:04:13 should log.d be outputing to the console in eclipse if verbose is specified in the plugin settings ? Mar 05 19:04:40 verbose shows everything Mar 05 19:04:45 nkbreau: should log to logcat Mar 05 19:05:01 to logcat ;) Mar 05 19:05:03 logcat ? never heard of logcat before... Mar 05 19:05:15 Android-specific Mar 05 19:05:17 yeah, it's a view built into the adt Mar 05 19:05:29 ok, so how do i see the contents of it ? Mar 05 19:05:34 pretty useful but a bit buggy(crashes from time to time). Mar 05 19:05:42 window -> add view -> other Mar 05 19:05:46 android -> logcat Mar 05 19:05:48 ah, duh Mar 05 19:06:01 http://anddev.org/images/help/open_ddms_view.png Mar 05 19:06:24 if A isnÄt visible, do it the B way Mar 05 19:06:27 http://anddev.org/images/help/open_ddms_view.png Mar 05 19:06:42 here you see the LogCat in the very bottom. Mar 05 19:07:19 very nice. Mar 05 19:07:52 and useful :) Mar 05 19:11:21 fun stuff :) Mar 05 19:13:55 sorry for the newb questoins... but can an imageView be directed to a url image or would you have to write the code to download the image then point it to the image locally ? Mar 05 19:14:21 gotta save it I think Mar 05 19:14:46 so if you were writting a twitter client you would have to download and save the images for each profile locally ? Mar 05 19:14:49 or use BitmapFactory Mar 05 19:15:22 you can pass an input stream into BitmapFactory to get the bitmap in memory and then set the image for the ImageView using that bitmap Mar 05 19:15:59 ok I"ll see if i can figure that out :P I'm use to adobe flex/flash which i guess is more web oriented Mar 05 19:16:46 yawn Mar 05 19:17:15 nkbreau: keep in mind that phone's have very slow internet connections Mar 05 19:17:27 so you would want to save persistent data instead of download it on demand every time Mar 05 19:17:51 so use a separate thread and keep the user in the loop on the progress Mar 05 19:17:55 that's the main advantage of native applications versus mobile-friendly web sites. Mar 05 19:18:47 right. Mar 05 19:25:43 nkbreau: Gallery with remote images: http://www.anddev.org/gallery_with_remote_images-t769.html Mar 05 19:25:52 and http://www.anddev.org/loading_images_from_remote_server-web-t673.html Mar 05 19:25:55 might help you Mar 05 19:26:16 awesome, thanks. Mar 05 19:39:47 sorry, another newb Q but do you have to stop and restart the emulator after every code change, or is there a quick way to refresh the emulator with the latest sourecode in eclipse ? Mar 05 19:41:42 don't close the emulator Mar 05 19:41:50 eclipse will reuse it Mar 05 19:42:05 ok, how do i tell the emul;ator to reload my application ? Mar 05 19:42:30 just run your app it will get overridden Mar 05 19:43:28 hmmm not sure i follow... when i launch the emulator the app is loaded, if i click on a button like the phone or home button my app goes away and I cant seem to get it back without closing the emulator and starting it again Mar 05 19:43:47 just hit run in eclipse Mar 05 19:44:05 it is also listed on the home screen Mar 05 19:44:26 clicking the arrow-icon in the lower right corner should show all installed apps Mar 05 19:44:41 ah there we go Mar 05 19:44:44 had to click all first Mar 05 19:59:13 will all android phones have gps positioning enabled so that you always know what the coordinates of the phone are ? Mar 05 19:59:37 afaik current cell phones all have the ability but it's usually locked by the provider, correct ? Mar 05 20:10:39 all phones should have some way to get the position, there will be different accuracies (gps, triangulation) Mar 05 20:18:38 <_avatar> i'm looking to decode some base64 data in my application. http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/util/package-summary.html mentions base64 encoders and decoders, but I can't find them to save my life. maybe I'm just blind... can anyone point me in the right direction? :) Mar 05 20:33:12 * jasta scratches his head Mar 05 20:33:45 Of all the XML files to break my parser, it's gtalkservice's xmpp_settings_screen.xml? Mar 05 20:33:56 huh. Mar 05 20:36:10 of all the xml files in all the programs in the world, she walks into my parser Mar 05 20:37:32 hehe Mar 05 20:37:33 nice ;) Mar 05 20:39:28 _avatar: http://www.source-code.biz/snippets/java/2.htm Mar 05 20:40:39 <_avatar> zhobbs: thanks, looks like its LGPL though. i can't use it :/ Mar 05 20:40:57 _avatar: why? LGPL means you can use it and not open your stuff Mar 05 20:42:28 <_avatar> yeah, I know. last time I tried to use LGPL the legal department threw a fit, though. i was hoping to use part of the android platform or the JDK. Mar 05 20:42:56 <_avatar> maybe its time to try my luck again. thanks:) Mar 05 20:42:57 oh ok...legal departments suck the life out of everything Mar 05 20:43:06 <_avatar> yeah, really Mar 05 20:43:16 <_avatar> I guess I could just reimplement the RFC, blah Mar 05 21:00:21 hmm. Mar 05 21:22:46 not really android related but does anyone know a method to remove characters from the beginning/end of a string... like trim() but for arbitary characters? Mar 05 21:27:06 kurzum: look at String.java in JDK source Mar 05 21:29:16 i can reimplement it myself, just wanted to make sure i really have to :) Mar 05 21:29:33 charAt kinda makes me feel like in the old C days :P Mar 05 21:29:33 substring ? Mar 05 21:29:51 indexOf, lastIndexOf Mar 05 21:30:00 cya all Mar 05 21:30:25 *indexOf is not really gonna work Mar 05 21:36:12 replace? Mar 05 21:36:34 replace would replace all characters in the string i guess Mar 05 21:37:10 not if you use the String version Mar 05 21:37:23 which takes a regular expression Mar 05 21:37:45 so you can do something like replaceFirst("^lalalal", "") Mar 05 21:39:51 ah thats a good idea Mar 05 21:39:51 thx Mar 05 22:15:45 romainguy_: when will we get to see the soft keyboard? :) Mar 05 23:00:26 romainguy_: found your xmlns:home reference :) Mar 05 23:00:45 com.google.android.home.ApplicationsStackLayout? :) Mar 05 23:25:59 jasta: yes Mar 05 23:26:07 jasta: romainguy_: when will we get to see the soft keyboard? << what soft keyboard? Mar 05 23:28:32 the first device to market is expected to be a touch screen phone with no physical keyboard, right? Mar 05 23:28:52 as the hvga skin suggests. Mar 05 23:33:45 it's just a skin for the emulator Mar 05 23:34:17 * jasta scratches his head Mar 05 23:34:45 so the Dream isn't a rumor? :) Mar 05 23:34:58 uh ? Mar 05 23:35:35 the rumored HTC Dream was said to have a large touch screen like the iPhone but also a full qwerty keyboard that flips out Mar 05 23:36:07 if there are no plans to make a soft keyboard, we could reasonably assume that the device is not a rumor, but will exist ;) Mar 05 23:36:23 I didn't say there are no plans :) Mar 05 23:36:34 then when do we get to see it!? :) Mar 05 23:36:45 I didn't say there are plans either Mar 05 23:36:53 I don't know anything about such a thing Mar 05 23:36:53 ahhh ;) Mar 05 23:36:55 hence my question Mar 05 23:37:10 well in other news... Mar 05 23:37:32 http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/axml2xml.pl Mar 05 23:37:34 it works Mar 05 23:37:39 cool Mar 05 23:38:02 i'm drafting up a blog entry as we speak :) Mar 05 23:38:31 nice Mar 05 23:38:34 gotos \o/ Mar 05 23:46:25 there's *ONE*, and i just added that :) Mar 05 23:46:49 and it only exists because you guys have a very bizarre handling of xmlns that i didn't feel like supporting correctly Mar 05 23:47:21 anyone using android.graphics.PointF.length() ? Mar 05 23:49:21 romainguy_: did you see my notes scattered around? :) Mar 05 23:50:43 i'm certain i didn't handle xmlns correctly, but it seems to work still Mar 05 23:51:07 in all the files in /system/*.apk, i found only 5 that failed to parse. Mar 05 23:51:12 and i ignored them for now :) Mar 05 23:52:29 jasta: there's *ONE*, and i just added that << I do like goto Mar 05 23:52:45 after all break and continue are just disguised gotos :) Mar 05 23:52:52 (not so disguised when you do a break label though) Mar 05 23:55:45 nevermind, known issue http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=230 Mar 05 23:59:51 errr... ApiDemo for GTalk is kind of buggy. f00t, have you been experimenting? Mar 06 00:24:37 does anyone know why Bundles are so often named "icicle"? Mar 06 00:25:11 because of onFreeze/onThaw Mar 06 01:34:41 romainguy_: i dislike goto's, but i permit them in certin cases. Mar 06 01:34:48 they're useful Mar 06 01:34:53 in very specific situations Mar 06 01:34:58 there is usually a better way to avoid them by refactoring your functions to more logically match your program's flow. Mar 06 01:35:07 but not always, and in that case, goto's are nice. Mar 06 01:35:57 a lot of programmers factor their code very poorly. long functions with awkwardly large indentations, for example. Mar 06 01:40:55 just like Android's UI toolkit's source code :)) Mar 06 01:40:58 but we have reasons for that Mar 06 01:41:26 lol Mar 06 01:41:31 you'd better :) Mar 06 01:41:36 it's quite easy Mar 06 01:41:53 that's your reason? Mar 06 01:41:55 no Mar 06 01:41:58 the reason is performance Mar 06 01:43:11 i assume you've profiled those cases? i have not done much performance analysis with Java, but i have done lots with C and i can say that hand-optimizing your code is ill-advised sometimes resulting in worse performance; usually resulting in identical performance. Mar 06 01:43:38 ... Mar 06 01:43:44 thanks for the lesson :) Mar 06 01:43:51 things like unrolling your loops, avoiding natural function factorizations, etc. Mar 06 01:44:03 the fact is a java compiler is dumb Mar 06 01:44:08 and rely on the VM to optimize the code Mar 06 01:44:14 our VM does not have a JIT Mar 06 01:44:18 and yes, we do profile our code Mar 06 01:44:46 and removing method calls in the source code of performance critical code paths results in thousands (or hundreds of thousands) less method calls at runtime Mar 06 01:44:50 which does impact performance Mar 06 01:45:19 would dx not be a more appropriate place to inline code? Mar 06 01:47:23 because we don't necessarily want to do the inlining everywhere Mar 06 01:47:35 I talked about "performance critical code paths" Mar 06 01:47:46 i really hate to see a poor pairing of runtime VM and compiler be the reason programmers are forced to write terribly unmaintainable code. we should be passed those days :\ Mar 06 01:47:47 which is basically drawing Mar 06 01:47:54 fair enough Mar 06 01:48:04 jasta, we're writing software for cell phones Mar 06 01:48:31 even with a good compiler and or VM you still have manual work to do Mar 06 01:48:40 some, but certainly not inlining ;) Mar 06 01:48:54 and certainly not unrolling loops, minimizing iteration variables, etc etc :) Mar 06 01:49:29 you could list a hundred easy opts a compiler should definitely be doing. i'm just pained to see this ;) Mar 06 01:50:52 oh well, Java has a major disadvantage in that it is not an old language. Perhaps some day... ;) Mar 06 01:51:34 I won't explain you again why the Java compiler is the way it is Mar 06 01:51:49 nor am i asking you to restart that dialogue. Mar 06 01:53:32 many other much older languages have multiple very sophisticated implementations of both runtime and compiler, well suited for different targets and applications. Mar 06 01:53:35 that is all i was saying. Mar 06 01:54:03 that will happen organically as Java ages, so, perhaps some day... Mar 06 01:54:16 again, there's no need for Java to do this Mar 06 01:54:17 it' Mar 06 01:54:22 it's the VM's role Mar 06 01:54:47 i am specifically calling out "both runtime and compiler", you know. Mar 06 01:54:48 and besides, on similar hardware I've seen Android perform a lost faster than Windows Mobile Mar 06 01:55:01 speaks highly of old languages with very smart compilers ;-)) Mar 06 01:55:18 many parts of Windows Mobile are written in C#, but still, not a fair test. Mar 06 01:55:36 Microsoft is in a bubble. They don't count as programmers, engineers, or even thinking individuals. Mar 06 01:55:48 :) Mar 06 01:56:35 as an aside, what the hell is the deal with Windows Mobile? Why does it look and run like Windows 95? Mar 06 01:57:42 I have been using WM for my personal phones for years now and I have hated every minute of it. I am so ready to throw this piece of crap out the window and pick up an Android phone. Mar 06 02:06:25 i can have a VideoView in a RelativeLayout right? Mar 06 02:06:33 it kind of screws up the whole layout Mar 06 02:07:44 if i explicitly set the width and height parts of it are transparent, i.e. i can see the default checker board background Mar 06 02:07:52 if not then its just a thin line Mar 06 02:08:29 and it always stays on the same absolute position despite of being in a ScrollLayout Mar 06 02:09:53 what happens if you replace the VideoView with some other sort of View to make sure its not just your layout that's broken? Mar 06 02:10:56 before that i had an ImageView and it worked fine Mar 06 02:11:30 i can't speak to your specific case then. haven't tried it. Mar 06 02:11:55 all right, just wanted to know if anyone has encountered any similar issues Mar 06 03:03:34 Hello! Can anybody tell me how to make a TextView foricbly refresh its contents? I'm adding text to it and I need to scroll to the 'new bottom' of the view. However it doesn't yet know the new bottom because it hasn't yet updated. Mar 06 03:05:26 not sure that you need to refresh the textview (maybe it's container?), but view.invalidate() would do it Mar 06 03:05:58 I'll give invalidate() a go Mar 06 03:06:19 like I said though, you shouldn't have to invalidate the text view, should do that when you setText() Mar 06 03:06:22 I'm literally calling messageBox.append("blah"); ScrollView.fullScroll(ScrollView.FOCUS_DOWN) Mar 06 03:06:42 ok Mar 06 03:07:01 so scrollview might need the invalidate() Mar 06 03:07:10 I did both =P Mar 06 03:07:28 Nope :/ Mar 06 03:07:33 Still not recognizing the new line Mar 06 03:09:01 It scrolls to the bottom of the view before the new line. Mar 06 03:10:10 zgold: could be a bug, I've noticed some buggy behavior in a ScrollView I'm using Mar 06 03:10:38 I had this same issue in m3, was hoping it was fixed in m5 Mar 06 03:11:14 I'm writing a messenger... i can't imagine i'm the only one doing so and i cant imagine im the only one using a TextView ad a conversation pane =P Mar 06 03:17:08 romainguy_: ah, of course. duh Mar 06 03:25:36 Tried the TextWatcher route; no go :/ Mar 06 05:26:32 jasta: the perl guru :) Mar 06 05:30:14 my cpan is messed up..weird Mar 06 05:30:25 i know many languages. Mar 06 05:31:52 yeah.. that's why you are the guru ;) Mar 06 05:32:09 i dont know that that qualifies, but thanks :) Mar 06 05:32:58 Can't locate object method "new" via package "Net::FTP" at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/CPAN.pm line 2250. Mar 06 05:33:12 jasta: any ideas? Mar 06 05:33:25 that happens when i run cpan Mar 06 05:33:25 what distro do you use? Mar 06 05:33:31 fc6 Mar 06 05:33:37 you're on your own then ;) Mar 06 05:33:44 yeah time to upgrade Mar 06 05:33:50 in debian/ubuntu, perl packages are mostly in apt Mar 06 05:34:02 its yum here Mar 06 05:34:09 and cpan for modules Mar 06 05:35:22 there's no base or anything? Mar 06 05:35:28 perl-base? or perl-net or something? Mar 06 05:36:01 has anyone noticed you can just start typing from the android home screen to bring up a contact search? Mar 06 05:36:46 my $ftp = Net::FTP->new($host); Mar 06 05:36:54 that's the line throwing the error Mar 06 05:37:07 right, because Net::FTP hasn't been used or it doesn't exist. Mar 06 05:37:20 and only the latter if Net::FTP was conditionally required. Mar 06 05:37:27 yeah.. underneath its looking for a particular ftp binary Mar 06 05:37:31 which is what CPAN would do when it was configured. Mar 06 05:37:46 one thing you could try is just wiping out .cpan and firing up perl -MCPAN -e 'install whatever' Mar 06 05:37:56 ok Mar 06 05:37:57 that way, CPAN would go through configuration again and search for a suitable package delivery method Mar 06 05:38:08 right Mar 06 05:38:21 i had all this setup before.. oh well Mar 06 05:38:38