**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 27 02:59:57 2008 Mar 27 03:04:48 night guys. Mar 27 03:06:15 cya Mar 27 03:06:49 * chomchom crawls into bed cringing at the thought of ironing his shirt at 8:40am Mar 27 03:10:17 libsoup's documentation seems to leave a big hole where "tidying up" should go. Mar 27 03:10:34 apparently i'm not closing HTTP connections when i'm done with them, but the documentation actually skips the section of cleanup entirely Mar 27 03:33:05 hahaha chomchom Mar 27 03:53:57 mornin hoopy frood Mar 27 04:08:54 hey muthu Mar 27 04:10:31 hi jasta Mar 27 04:11:06 i'm so excited about android.. i'm all set to grab a few domains Mar 27 04:11:29 hehe, ok? Mar 27 04:12:17 registered androidrocks.com Mar 27 04:21:11 muthu: I need some help on HelloAndroid.com :) Mar 27 04:21:23 tell me zhobbs Mar 27 04:21:59 I don't like new posting...so if you are good at writing and it would be something you'd be interested in I'm looking for some hlep Mar 27 04:22:05 news posting* Mar 27 04:22:13 sure Mar 27 04:22:26 i'll post some Mar 27 04:23:41 muthu: I pm'd you Mar 27 04:24:06 did you see my reply? Mar 27 04:24:11 nope Mar 27 04:24:13 strange Mar 27 04:24:17 hmmm Mar 27 04:24:21 you have to registry on freenode to send privmsg Mar 27 04:24:54 zhobbs.. send me your gmail on pm.. i'll add to buddies Mar 27 04:24:55 muthu: means you probably need to /msg NickServ Mar 27 04:25:24 sent Mar 27 04:25:34 ok Mar 27 04:28:15 did you get email? Mar 27 04:28:21 oh you emailed? Mar 27 04:28:28 I thought you were going to Gtalk me Mar 27 04:28:34 i did both Mar 27 04:28:39 hmm Mar 27 04:28:52 oh.. the email failed Mar 27 04:29:04 yeah, that's not an email account, just gtalk Mar 27 04:29:27 if you wanna email me it's hobbs@helloandroid.com Mar 27 04:29:31 ok add me: muthu.ramadoss@gmail.com Mar 27 04:43:59 finally found a domain for my next gen kick ass mobile search engine Mar 27 04:44:21 nextgenkickassmobile.com? Mar 27 04:46:04 ooh i like it Mar 27 04:46:24 mine is: oohiwantit.com Mar 27 04:46:26 zhobbs: you picked up helloandroid.com as your main e-mail domain? Mar 27 04:46:49 jasta: for android related things yeah, but my main is zach@zta-tech.com Mar 27 04:47:49 why you ask? Mar 27 04:48:13 just thought that was weird at first Mar 27 04:49:08 ok here it is: tell me if you folks like it Mar 27 04:49:19 mobeegal.com Mar 27 04:52:40 no one like it eh? Mar 27 04:52:49 it's a search site? Mar 27 04:52:57 that's the plan Mar 27 04:53:08 we are building a mobile search engine Mar 27 04:53:13 it uhh, looks like a squatted domain Mar 27 04:53:21 registred today Mar 27 04:53:46 the product will hit only later this year Mar 27 04:58:52 mobeegal? Mar 27 04:59:02 fail for not following tenets of english Mar 27 04:59:02 yup Mar 27 04:59:09 ha ha Mar 27 04:59:12 mobigal = win Mar 27 04:59:23 mobeegal = fail Mar 27 04:59:25 someone took it already Mar 27 04:59:38 it sounds like a weird combination of mobile and beagle, the freedesktop.org search tool Mar 27 04:59:46 oh yeah! Mar 27 04:59:58 ...which nobody uses. Mar 27 05:00:03 lol Mar 27 05:00:19 i thought about a lot of names Mar 27 05:00:28 finally settled on this even though mobigal was taken Mar 27 05:00:50 and now in fact i like this more Mar 27 05:00:54 how about mowbli? Mar 27 05:01:11 is it available.. Mar 27 05:01:20 what does the domain name matter? Mar 27 05:01:30 it matters a bit Mar 27 05:01:31 I like to use psychicwhois when I'm coming up with domains Mar 27 05:01:34 google.com is a stupid name, frankly. Mar 27 05:01:38 and look how well it did. Mar 27 05:01:48 jasta: but it follows the tenets of english Mar 27 05:01:50 microsoft is also a stupid name. Mar 27 05:01:51 gugle.com would have failed Mar 27 05:01:57 google.. is a great name for search Mar 27 05:01:57 Kraln: there's gogle.com :) Mar 27 05:01:58 as would have gewgle Mar 27 05:02:28 muthu: yahoo.com too. that is pretty stupid Mar 27 05:02:42 yahoo, google etc., are great for search Mar 27 05:02:42 kraln.com is pretty stupid Mar 27 05:02:55 msn live sux Mar 27 05:02:57 made even more stupid by the fact that everyone has that lame "yahoo!" sound associated with the search engine. Mar 27 05:03:11 yeah.. its all about the sound Mar 27 05:03:24 and how stupid it is? Mar 27 05:03:30 for search, the sound matters Mar 27 05:03:38 well if that's what you're going for, mobeegal sure does sound stupid Mar 27 05:03:45 yup Mar 27 05:03:52 that's what i was looking for :) Mar 27 05:03:59 and actually, for search, the efficiency and effectiveness of the tool matters. more than the name. Mar 27 05:04:20 oh yeah Mar 27 05:04:29 the story matters Mar 27 05:04:34 as does the props! Mar 27 05:04:36 no, it doesn't. your brain is fried. Mar 27 05:04:53 may be Mar 27 05:05:14 because of the crazy combinations i was working for the name Mar 27 05:05:26 muthu: have you tried psychic whois? Mar 27 05:05:32 no krain Mar 27 05:05:35 let me check Mar 27 05:07:34 ok.. it gives you the existing domains Mar 27 05:07:45 autocompletion Mar 27 05:34:55 * jasta wonders where UTF-8 breaks down in his app Mar 27 05:35:07 server supports it, sqlite3 supports it, meta data format supports it, ... Mar 27 05:35:10 * jasta glares at Android Mar 27 05:41:33 Hi, I am new to ANdroid....I want to know what is the command to run andorid app without running from eclipse but just using cmd Mar 27 05:41:52 you install it with "adb install " Mar 27 05:42:01 then run it from the menu on the emulator Mar 27 05:42:18 what would be Mar 27 05:42:28 a *.apk file Mar 27 05:42:35 ok Mar 27 05:42:39 let me try Mar 27 05:44:13 where does this apk file form? Mar 27 05:44:19 which location Mar 27 05:45:42 do you have an apk file? Mar 27 05:45:52 ok I got that...I saw in bin Mar 27 05:45:55 let me try now Mar 27 05:50:07 niket: you can also build the apk file using ant or any other build tool youre comfortable with Mar 27 05:54:20 does anyone know where can i get android phone Mar 27 05:54:32 i want to run my application on live mobile Mar 27 05:54:36 sandesh: nope Mar 27 05:54:42 y noooooooooooooo Mar 27 05:54:44 i want Mar 27 05:54:50 zhobbs Mar 27 05:54:55 thanks zhobbs and jasta for instant help...it worked...jasta, which build tool u suggest...is it ant or maven Mar 27 05:55:10 niket Mar 27 05:55:13 u know Mar 27 05:55:21 zhobbs: Do you ever have trouble using the Eclipse debugger on Android code? Mar 27 05:55:36 i never am able to make the "Expressions" view work right. everything tells me: Mar 27 05:55:57 "Evaluations must contain either an expression or a block of well-formed statements" Mar 27 05:56:05 jasta Mar 27 05:56:08 tell me Mar 27 05:56:21 jasta: yeah, I've gotten the expressions box to work Mar 27 05:56:28 where can i get mobile Mar 27 05:56:37 android compatible mobile Mar 27 05:56:38 zhobbs: is there some special trick or is my installation somehow messed up? Mar 27 05:56:51 is your expression a string? Mar 27 05:57:08 it evaluates to one Mar 27 05:57:20 i just want to see the result of foo.getString("bar") Mar 27 05:58:10 jasta: hold on, let me try it again Mar 27 06:00:51 let me test it outside of android... Mar 27 06:02:11 jasta: I'm getting the same error, I haven't done it in a long time so maybe it's an issue with the newer sdks? Mar 27 06:02:26 but I've done it with android before Mar 27 06:02:29 maybe, i seem to recall doing it with earlier SDKs Mar 27 06:02:39 but i have noticed i cant make it work with M5, but it's all subjective. Mar 27 06:02:50 my memory is all fuzzy about this :) Mar 27 06:02:58 but it is really, really frustrating that i can't make it work :\ Mar 27 06:03:06 i can't use conditional breakpoints because of this Mar 27 06:04:51 sure enough, it works without Android involved Mar 27 06:05:15 that is most uncool Mar 27 06:05:42 yep Mar 27 06:05:45 * jasta posts an issue Mar 27 06:06:29 which version of m5 do you run? Mar 27 06:07:16 i still run rc14 Mar 27 06:09:10 I'm on rx15 Mar 27 06:09:13 rc15 Mar 27 06:10:51 sigh, instead of a watch expression i actually have to put an expression in my code and break on its truth path Mar 27 06:10:57 llammmme Mar 27 06:12:44 yeah, that's a pain...and you have to do something with it or it will never be evaluated Mar 27 06:13:24 i submitted an issue Mar 27 06:13:49 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=547 Mar 27 06:15:22 please comment that you are also experiencing this problem :) Mar 27 06:15:36 hopefully that will raise it on their priority list :) Mar 27 06:16:48 come to think of it, i am not able to examine some local variables as well Mar 27 06:16:56 it doesnt show them as having members Mar 27 06:17:13 and that the value is null when it isn't Mar 27 06:17:26 weird, what is going on here Mar 27 06:17:56 like I said you have to do something with it or it won't store it Mar 27 06:18:03 I've had that happen before Mar 27 06:18:48 like if you say "int i = 0; doSomething(i);" and never use i again i will never really be used Mar 27 06:19:08 I think it just optimizes it to doSomething(0); Mar 27 06:19:45 yeah im aware of opting out variables, but that is not whats happening here Mar 27 06:20:00 I updated the issue btw Mar 27 06:20:24 thanks Mar 27 06:33:05 Why Android Rocks in India? - http://www.helloandroid.com/node/325 Mar 27 06:34:09 hmm Mar 27 06:35:40 lol, that last paragraph makes me laugh Mar 27 06:36:00 good Mar 27 06:36:03 is that your ideal use case? Mar 27 06:36:04 i win!! Mar 27 06:36:21 there's many Mar 27 06:36:51 it speaks volumes about how unlike your culture is to mine :) Mar 27 06:37:00 yes Mar 27 06:37:22 i like it muthu Mar 27 06:37:23 the gap is wide Mar 27 06:37:39 i really need to start to think about asian markets in general Mar 27 06:37:40 glad you like it f00f Mar 27 06:37:55 oh great.. Mar 27 06:37:59 that's the whole idea Mar 27 06:38:08 there's tons of potentials outside the grown markets Mar 27 06:38:22 absolutely. the mobile plays such a larger role in day-to-day things, i think. Mar 27 06:38:28 yup Mar 27 06:38:39 imagine, everyone in india has a mobile Mar 27 06:38:50 from the poorest poor to the rich Mar 27 06:38:57 and they probably don't just for communication? Mar 27 06:39:01 +use Mar 27 06:39:12 right now its communication primarily Mar 27 06:39:36 it will change.. when we open up broadband, technology etc., Mar 27 06:40:27 the last paragraph Mar 27 06:40:43 was a result of my conversation with a mobile company Mar 27 06:41:14 so there exists such real use cases in india Mar 27 06:46:44 ha muthu, that's a great article Mar 27 06:47:01 thx daniel Mar 27 06:55:47 muthu Mar 27 06:55:56 where can i get android phone Mar 27 06:56:08 sandesh: there is no such thing presently available in the market. try back in 6 months. Mar 27 06:56:16 its coming soon :) Mar 27 06:56:21 any duplicates Mar 27 06:56:28 whatever you mean, no. Mar 27 06:56:33 pdas Mar 27 06:56:36 xdas Mar 27 06:56:42 sandesh: search android-internals Mar 27 06:57:06 wats internals Mar 27 06:57:15 google that word. Mar 27 06:57:21 android-internals Mar 27 06:58:18 anyone played with droiddraw? Mar 27 06:58:48 yeah, i dont like it Mar 27 06:58:53 just playing with it now. Mar 27 06:59:04 it's not flexible, and will lead to layouts that don't port well. Mar 27 06:59:11 but i can't figure out how to delete something... Mar 27 06:59:18 (which is the problem that plagues nearly every tool of its kind) Mar 27 06:59:32 yeah, not going to spend much time on it. just exploring... Mar 27 07:04:10 omg how do i start an activity!!!111111 Mar 27 07:04:21 uhh Mar 27 07:04:43 ...startActivity()? :) Mar 27 07:04:53 lol Mar 27 07:04:59 that takes an intent Mar 27 07:05:04 yes, it does. Mar 27 07:05:14 and you must use an intent to start an activity. Mar 27 07:08:54 yay, figured out the UTF-8 problem Mar 27 07:09:28 it was at the HTTP layer, due to HttpClient using the encoding charset from the response, when libsyncml at the server did not specify a charset for the response. Mar 27 07:09:35 so HttpClient defaulted to ISO8859-1 Mar 27 07:18:52 well that was easy Mar 27 07:19:01 what was? Mar 27 07:19:06 creating an activity Mar 27 07:19:28 have you actually not worked with android yet? you seemed like an #android regular. Mar 27 07:19:41 ive read the docs a thousand times Mar 27 07:19:51 and done single activity stuff Mar 27 07:19:57 and yet had no idea how to perform such a basic task? Mar 27 07:20:20 most of my project doesn't involve android Mar 27 07:20:27 android is just the gui Mar 27 07:20:28 what's your project? Mar 27 07:20:38 photo based ocr and translation Mar 27 07:20:50 oh that's right, i remember that. pretty cool actually. Mar 27 07:21:23 tricky to implement well, though. Mar 27 07:21:38 for now its just webservice'd Mar 27 07:21:42 especially on Android, which currently has no camera emulation :) Mar 27 07:22:07 ADC judges will be testing on HVGA ... Mar 27 07:22:13 yeah so all i need to do is create a gui that reads a list of images (as the cameradevice isn't working properly yet) and display a view of translation options and then displays the result Mar 27 07:22:14 is that a guarantee? Mar 27 07:22:20 i actually had thought about that project a short while ago. are you going to try to overlay the translated text onto the original image? Mar 27 07:22:25 f00f-: Yes, I would say so. Mar 27 07:22:41 jasta, maybe not the text Mar 27 07:22:55 that would be very cool ;) Mar 27 07:22:58 i still have my doubts if any android phone will be powerful enough Mar 27 07:23:06 definately overlaying bounding boxes Mar 27 07:23:14 real-time, at least when the camera works Mar 27 07:23:26 this will allow the user to get a good angle on the photo Mar 27 07:23:31 i assumed you would be offloading to a server-based work-horse? Mar 27 07:23:36 yep Mar 27 07:23:44 but ultimate goal is on device Mar 27 07:23:50 so why wouldnt the phone be powerful enough to take and send a picture and receive some text? Mar 27 07:23:59 oh right Mar 27 07:24:08 thats possible Mar 27 07:24:13 but in "realtime" Mar 27 07:24:22 as in moving the camera around Mar 27 07:24:22 why would you try to move it to the device? the translation is going to require a separate service surely Mar 27 07:24:39 yeah Mar 27 07:24:48 this is one of the issues to be sorted out Mar 27 07:25:09 but you see, if you are roaming in another country Mar 27 07:25:17 you might not have internet access on your phone Mar 27 07:25:21 oh, real-time is probably not going to happen. instead, you might try narrowing down your parameters to get a good read and try to perform very crude, partial analysis on the fly Mar 27 07:25:28 to recommend to the user when the angle on the text "looks" right. Mar 27 07:25:38 i can do real time bounding boxes Mar 27 07:25:49 that calculation is pretty trivial Mar 27 07:26:02 well i understand the access limitation, but you must appreciate that porting the translation engine to the phone just will never work. Mar 27 07:26:11 translation databases are *enormous* Mar 27 07:26:24 yeah, i am going to be using a translation webservice for now Mar 27 07:26:32 but i was more thinking a crude translation database Mar 27 07:26:44 but i just can't conceive of being able to move away from that even in the next decade. Mar 27 07:26:50 indeed Mar 27 07:27:15 perhaps the better thing to happen is for wireless carriers to pull their head out of their ass and offer better roaming features for tourists :) Mar 27 07:27:23 yep Mar 27 07:27:50 im going to Ireland in September and am actually hoping to use my cell phone there. it's quad-band, and maybe there is some way to get a temp sim card or something, I don't know Mar 27 07:28:22 jasta: just buy a cheap pre-paid gsm phone there, and throw away the phone bit. Mar 27 07:28:34 well i assume if you live in europe you can travel around on the same carrier Mar 27 07:28:42 duey: i do not, i live in the states. Mar 27 07:29:04 jasta: that's what I do when I travel from Australia to the states. Mar 27 07:29:07 maybe you could travel to canada and translate some french ;) Mar 27 07:29:32 i've never been to the french part of canada. the best provinces are English speaking anyway :) Mar 27 07:29:52 buying a local SIM card is cheaper if you're going to make a few calls regularly Mar 27 07:30:10 international roaming with your US carrier will be cheaper if you only intend to make a few minutes worth of calls total. Mar 27 07:30:13 i'm really hoping to have data access while i'm there, for google maps. Mar 27 07:30:17 but i dont know how expensive that will be Mar 27 07:30:46 come to nz, you can get prepay data access for the cheap fee of $10/mb Mar 27 07:30:57 lol Mar 27 07:31:01 insane :) Mar 27 07:31:02 serious Mar 27 07:31:08 load up google Mar 27 07:31:12 "oh shit there goes $1" Mar 27 07:31:31 my theory on that is that packets are sent from japan over a single copper wire Mar 27 07:31:38 anyway folks, i gotta retire for the night Mar 27 07:31:42 cya Mar 27 07:31:47 good night Mar 27 07:31:52 or fired across the pacific to the switches in LA with a giant cannot Mar 27 07:31:53 goin to tahoe tomorrow too, so you wont be seeing much of me until monday :) Mar 27 07:31:54 *cannon Mar 27 07:34:22 enjoy! Mar 27 08:15:31 i suppose i'd be pushing my luck to hope there's someone in here that knows what permission I need to set to create ContactMethods Mar 27 08:27:34 daniel: if there's permission to be set, it would be listed in docs Mar 27 08:27:44 there's only read/write contacts Mar 27 08:28:18 muthu: so contactmethod is off limits? Mar 27 08:30:19 guess so Mar 27 08:30:25 muthu: this is what i do - http://pastebin.com/d5674d98b - and it returns null (mCR is a contentresolver) Mar 27 08:30:40 let me check Mar 27 08:39:38 where is ContactMethods? Mar 27 08:39:44 defined that is Mar 27 08:40:57 muthu: it is in android.provider.Contacts.People.ContactMethods Mar 27 08:43:58 must be permission issue.. probably they haven't opened it up yet Mar 27 08:44:18 muthu: that is what i feared Mar 27 08:44:30 post it to the group.. you might get confirmation Mar 27 08:44:31 i will probably just replicate that table in my app's db then Mar 27 08:44:49 muthu: i'd be the third one to discuss contactmethod Mar 27 08:44:55 muthu: and none of the others got a reply either X{ Mar 27 08:44:56 er Mar 27 08:44:57 XP Mar 27 08:45:10 hmmm.. strange Mar 27 08:46:09 muthu: not so strange, i've often found that issues i encounter have been ignored on the list Mar 27 08:46:37 then may be it works? Mar 27 10:55:38 how to get android prototype............to test the applications live Mar 27 10:55:43 plz help Mar 27 11:00:20 1) get a job at Google Mar 27 11:03:17 any other means Mar 27 11:03:25 zombi Mar 27 11:04:35 zombi, work for one of the companies building android phones Mar 27 11:04:48 or 3) hack a device to run android Mar 27 11:05:00 davidw Mar 27 11:05:13 any other ways i can get tht device Mar 27 11:05:36 davidw wher t get device Mar 27 11:05:41 which device Mar 27 11:05:55 any duplicates where android application runs Mar 27 11:06:27 davidw hack a device u mean ? Mar 27 11:08:52 sandesh even i want the same thing wht u want Mar 27 11:09:04 android prototype Mar 27 11:09:15 ya device tht runs my application Mar 27 11:09:18 i wanna test Mar 27 11:09:25 even me Mar 27 11:09:39 so where to get Mar 27 11:09:48 tht wht i asked Mar 27 11:09:49 heard of any duplicates Mar 27 11:09:53 ? Mar 27 11:09:59 wht duplicates Mar 27 11:09:59 wat david is saying Mar 27 11:10:14 hack a device? Mar 27 11:10:19 wht is he saying Mar 27 11:10:28 he is like work for google ,hack device ,.............. Mar 27 11:10:38 wht r u plannin to do Mar 27 11:10:56 i want to run my project Mar 27 11:11:06 i am about to send my resume to google Mar 27 11:11:25 so can google provide Mar 27 11:11:26 ? Mar 27 11:12:11 i m a student Mar 27 11:12:16 ya why not its their product Mar 27 11:12:26 n wanna give live demo to college Mar 27 11:12:32 ya i know Mar 27 11:12:33 me too Mar 27 11:12:45 ur from Mar 27 11:12:50 where r u Mar 27 11:13:17 asia Mar 27 11:13:25 where in Mar 27 11:13:28 i m in india Mar 27 11:13:53 k tell me u got any break through in launching ur app in android Mar 27 11:14:05 ya Mar 27 11:14:08 wat abt Mar 27 11:14:09 u Mar 27 11:14:13 wat r u doing Mar 27 11:14:16 wat project Mar 27 11:14:32 gui fr android Mar 27 11:14:52 ok Mar 27 11:15:00 so its working on emulator Mar 27 11:33:56 sandesh chk this link http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080212.wgtandroid0212/BNStory/PersonalTech/home Mar 27 11:34:31 zombi whts tht Mar 27 11:34:38 chk tht out bro Mar 27 11:35:30 ya Mar 27 11:36:17 u got any suggestion how t o go about it Mar 27 11:37:01 na Mar 27 11:37:39 it was in feb 11 Mar 27 11:37:43 exhibition Mar 27 11:38:33 zombi Mar 27 11:40:20 ya Mar 27 11:40:32 any other later news u have Mar 27 11:40:38 thn send me Mar 27 13:36:38 is this the chan for Google's mobile OS? Mar 27 13:36:50 yes Mar 27 13:37:27 what is the possibility that android will be able to be loaded onto ____ device? Mar 27 13:42:01 basically, i'd really love to see android on my samsung i617 Mar 27 13:46:44 its coming soon Mar 27 16:16:18 * donomo looks around for lion-o Mar 27 16:17:54 hey muthu, did you get that email of yours confirmed yet? Mar 27 16:26:37 any new hardware gossip? the HTC Dream rumor is getting old. Mar 27 16:39:15 donomo: yeah, quite a bit of new gossip Mar 27 16:39:27