**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 09 02:59:57 2008
Apr 09 03:01:24 <jasta> romainguy__: this is interesting.  using layout_centerInParent, the view is centered horizontally, then placed half way off the top edge of the rest of the layout
Apr 09 03:02:07 <jasta> i bet this is baseline alignment
Apr 09 03:02:26 <jasta> nope :\
Apr 09 03:17:35 <chomchom> ok acxia you may sleep
Apr 09 03:18:01 <chomchom> acsia even
Apr 09 03:18:28 <chomchom> I will now also crawl to bed.
Apr 09 03:36:31 <SANiK> How the hell does one close an app on android os?
Apr 09 03:42:43 <jerkface03> System.exit
Apr 09 03:42:52 <SANiK> No no - when using the interface
Apr 09 03:43:04 <SANiK> Apps appear as acons in a stack on the top right - is this the taskbar or history
Apr 09 03:43:18 <michaelnovakjr> you'd have to write a method to call the System.exit
Apr 09 03:43:36 <michaelnovakjr> then connect it to your interface
Apr 09 03:44:00 <SANiK> heh - *sigh* - not programming anything
Apr 09 03:44:02 <SANiK> Just using it
Apr 09 03:44:40 <SANiK> Click the browser and then go to the home screen of the phone - the browser is still open for example
Apr 09 03:44:46 <SANiK> And shows as an icon in the top right
Apr 09 03:45:50 <SANiK> I'm just wondering how does one close the app (as a user) since there doesn't appear to be an 'X' button
Apr 09 03:49:07 <muthu> Wed Apr  9 09:11:57 IST 2008
Apr 09 03:50:51 <SANiK> *poke*
Apr 09 03:54:58 <muthu> sanik the user hits the back button
Apr 09 03:55:14 <SANiK> The apps goes on the top right stack
Apr 09 03:55:33 <SANiK> Now is that the app history (for reference)
Apr 09 03:55:41 <SANiK> or is that a taskbar (currently running apps)
Apr 09 03:56:02 <SANiK> app*
Apr 09 03:56:23 <michaelnovakjr> history
Apr 09 03:57:13 <SANiK> Is there a way to clear the history?
Apr 09 03:57:51 <muthu> no
Apr 09 03:57:56 <muthu> i don't think so
Apr 09 03:58:06 <jasta> SANiK: why would there be?  think carefully about why you'd need or want to do that.
Apr 09 03:58:18 <jasta> or why you'd specifically want to manage the process lifecycle of running apps.  isn't that the platforms job?
Apr 09 03:59:02 <SANiK> Well true that - that's the whole point of Java's garbage collection anyways
Apr 09 03:59:17 <muthu> android doesn't like the close button ;)
Apr 09 03:59:20 <jasta> no, that has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Apr 09 03:59:59 <SANiK> Yes it is - it's just a little java thing that caused an inspiration in the OS's design
Apr 09 04:00:13 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Apr 09 04:00:22 <SANiK> <jasta> or why you'd specifically want to manage the process lifecycle of running apps.  isn't that the platforms job? << in ref. to that
Apr 09 04:00:28 <jasta> ugh.  i don't have the energy to give you the severe cluebat beating that you so clearly need.
Apr 09 04:00:36 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Apr 09 04:01:01 <SANiK> jasta, uhuh - I like how Android looks all fancy and stuff
Apr 09 04:01:09 <SANiK> But a lot of the shit they'll have to down-right disable
Apr 09 04:01:32 <muthu> sanik like what?
Apr 09 04:01:42 <SANiK> muthu - transparency
Apr 09 04:01:52 <SANiK> Or the swish-swoosh crap with the menus
Apr 09 04:02:07 <michaelnovakjr> what are you talking about
Apr 09 04:02:14 <SANiK> disable as in, "provide options to customize" those features
Apr 09 04:02:18 <michaelnovakjr> they are transitions..... why would they have to be disabled?
Apr 09 04:02:30 <muthu> hmm.. UI is a work in progress
Apr 09 04:02:37 <SANiK> michaelnovakjr ... cause not everyone is rich and snobby as you are
Apr 09 04:02:37 <muthu> it'll improve a lot
Apr 09 04:02:48 <michaelnovakjr> what is that supposed to mean?
Apr 09 04:02:51 <SANiK> maybe I have a 20 Mhz phone and not a 300 Mhz one
Apr 09 04:03:21 <muthu> sdk is evolving.. so major improvements on the way
Apr 09 04:03:23 <michaelnovakjr> in that case you'd need more than disabled transitions
Apr 09 04:03:46 <jasta> the modern Linux kernel would have a hard time running on a 20MHz processor :)
Apr 09 04:03:59 <jasta> the Dalvik VM would especially.
Apr 09 04:04:23 <SANiK> jasta - they have a Java VM running on the GBA
Apr 09 04:05:04 <michaelnovakjr> 20MHz is a very slow processor
Apr 09 04:05:15 <michaelnovakjr> you'd be frustrated in a day if you could actually get it to run
Apr 09 04:05:43 <jasta> anyway, i really gotta get back to coding or i won't be done by the 14th :)
Apr 09 04:05:48 <SANiK> x-D
Apr 09 04:05:51 <SANiK> What's your app?
Apr 09 04:05:54 <jasta> later folks
Apr 09 04:06:03 <SANiK> Ahh - no goody info =)
Apr 09 04:06:12 <muthu> code away jasta
Apr 09 04:06:27 <SANiK> I didn't even know about the contest till now
Apr 09 04:06:32 <SANiK> Too late I guess
Apr 09 04:06:49 <muthu> there's challenge II
Apr 09 04:06:59 <SANiK> I was gonnah port this old thing I wrote which basicly allows one to select an object in a picture, and the program would back-propogate to find the "definition" of the object
Apr 09 04:07:10 <SANiK> e.g., one highlights a picture of an apple and it'd say "apple"
Apr 09 04:07:17 <muthu> you can still do it
Apr 09 04:07:24 <SANiK> Useful for finding names for things one doesn't remember
Apr 09 04:07:43 <SANiK> muthu - I program in C and the AI engine is very exhaustive
Apr 09 04:08:02 <SANiK> It basicly creates a 3D model and keeps deforming it until a match is found with the picture
Apr 09 04:08:37 <SANiK> After the "best" match is found - the 3D mesh is searched through a database of items to find the definition
Apr 09 04:08:48 <muthu> wow.. cool
Apr 09 04:08:56 <SANiK> Java is not a very ... fast language
Apr 09 04:09:19 <SANiK> So I expect the 20 second delay would take 30 minutes on a PC compared to a 2.1 Ghz pc
Apr 09 04:09:32 <SANiK> on a phone compared*
Apr 09 04:09:47 <SANiK> Anyways I'm out - peacers
Apr 09 04:11:05 <jasta> what an absolute idiot ;)
Apr 09 04:11:17 <michaelnovakjr> definitely
Apr 09 04:12:08 <muthu> really cool games for android - http://www.vimeo.com/875115
Apr 09 04:12:24 <muthu> looks faster
Apr 09 04:12:44 <muthu> this is a winner
Apr 09 04:16:06 <jasta> muthu: that does look nice, though i dont understand the whole "create your own game" bit.
Apr 09 04:16:48 <muthu> yeah.. but the graphics, speed etc., are nice
Apr 09 04:17:21 <jasta> yeah, nice work.
Apr 09 04:17:31 <jasta> though the only game that they showed which i woul dplay is the arkanoid-type one
Apr 09 04:17:35 <jasta> i love that game :)
Apr 09 04:18:06 <raidfive> yea that is the only one that interested me too :)
Apr 09 04:19:00 <jasta> i really want someone to port a super monkey ball like game where you roll the ball around with the accelerometer
Apr 09 04:19:10 <jasta> that would be great
Apr 09 04:19:14 <muthu> the games are pushing the limits
Apr 09 04:19:29 <jasta> are they?
Apr 09 04:19:53 <muthu> from an UI experience
Apr 09 04:33:58 <Kraln> I don't see that as a winner
Apr 09 04:34:03 <Kraln> that's not doing anything 'new' with the platofrm
Apr 09 04:34:12 <jasta> yeah, i have to agree.  it's not that exciting.
Apr 09 04:34:18 <jasta> seems like quality work, for sure
Apr 09 04:34:22 <jasta> but, so what? :)
Apr 09 04:34:46 <Kraln> yeah, nothing new
Apr 09 04:34:56 <muthu> come on.. every app cannot do something new
Apr 09 04:35:08 <muthu> some games needs to be picked
Apr 09 04:35:08 <jasta> Kraln: yeah, and more importantly, it seems trivial.
Apr 09 04:35:13 <Kraln> muthu: I don't see why not?
Apr 09 04:35:14 <jasta> anyone could sit down and write a game.
Apr 09 04:35:16 <muthu> so they'll pick a well done game
Apr 09 04:35:32 <Kraln> I figure they'll pick a game that uses the location services to generate the game world based on things around the player
Apr 09 04:35:38 <Kraln> not some hackneyed game creator thingy
Apr 09 04:35:40 <muthu> krain: the apps needs to be appealing to end users
Apr 09 04:35:42 <jasta> muthu: those games aren't that well done either.
Apr 09 04:35:49 <muthu> not necessarily ground breaking and innovative
Apr 09 04:35:53 <jasta> they're not crap, but not that well done :)
Apr 09 04:35:55 <Kraln> muthu: I disagree.
Apr 09 04:36:08 <Kraln> I think they need to be appealing to end users AND ground breaking/innovative
Apr 09 04:36:09 <muthu> jasta: it looks good from what i've seen submitted for adc
Apr 09 04:36:25 <jasta> muthu: a lot of ADC submissions that folks are showing are crap.  the winners won't be crap, i'm sure :)
Apr 09 04:36:33 <muthu> there was this other game i don't remember (car races), but it was slow
Apr 09 04:36:44 <muthu> i
Apr 09 04:36:49 <jasta> you know that the emulator doesn't have 3D accel right?
Apr 09 04:36:50 <Kraln> honestly if I thought a crap game collection would win I'd port my gba/nds stuff
Apr 09 04:36:57 <muthu> jasta: i'm submitting crap, hope they pick my crap ;)
Apr 09 04:37:04 <jasta> what is yours again?
Apr 09 04:37:19 <muthu> jasta: mine?
Apr 09 04:37:23 <jasta> yeah
Apr 09 04:37:32 <muthu> i'm doing a cooking show
Apr 09 04:37:39 <muthu> not my idea though
Apr 09 04:37:48 <jasta> say what?
Apr 09 04:38:07 <muthu> yeah.. pretty boring
Apr 09 04:38:21 <jasta> i dont get it?  a cooking "show'?
Apr 09 04:38:31 <romainguy> re
Apr 09 04:38:37 <Kraln> I'm working on something innovative & ground breaking - you might even say, disruptive *chuckles*
Apr 09 04:38:39 <muthu> found a design partner through forums and we are collaborating for the ADC
Apr 09 04:38:43 <jasta> romainguy: I never managed to make that layout we discussed earlier work.
Apr 09 04:38:51 <muthu> krain: what's it?
Apr 09 04:39:16 <Kraln> muthu: location aware chat services
Apr 09 04:39:24 <muthu> the mobile search engine is something we develop for our company, but that's only due in june
Apr 09 04:39:42 <muthu> krain: ther's tons of LBS apps
Apr 09 04:39:46 <Kraln> LBS?
Apr 09 04:39:50 <muthu> location based
Apr 09 04:40:08 <muthu> mornin romain
Apr 09 04:40:21 <muthu> location based blogging, chatting, dating
Apr 09 04:40:22 <Kraln> sure. but as long as I stick my head in the sand I can say confidently that mine is the best
Apr 09 04:40:31 <muthu> lol
Apr 09 04:40:35 <muthu> that's what i do
Apr 09 04:41:00 <jasta> i am pretty proud of how my app is developer, actually.
Apr 09 04:41:00 <Kraln> link me to one of the lbs chatting apps?
Apr 09 04:41:02 <muthu> jasta: yeah, cooking buddy
Apr 09 04:41:10 <jasta> developing*
Apr 09 04:41:19 <muthu> but my partner is so secretive and trademarked a lot of stuff ;)
Apr 09 04:41:35 <muthu> which i find highly entertaining
Apr 09 04:41:44 <Kraln> stuff can be trademarked without registering it ...
Apr 09 04:41:59 <muthu> yeah
Apr 09 04:42:19 <muthu> ideas doesn't matter anyways
Apr 09 04:43:17 <muthu> so my cooking show is going beat the crap out of you folks :-D
Apr 09 04:43:20 <Kraln> do you have any links to those LBS chatting stuff?
Apr 09 04:43:27 <muthu> elimatta.com
Apr 09 04:43:32 <muthu> myloki.com
Apr 09 04:43:35 <muthu> rummble.com
Apr 09 04:43:37 <muthu> mosio.com
Apr 09 04:44:01 <muthu> mobeegal.in (this is mine, and in development)
Apr 09 04:44:27 <Kraln> hmm
Apr 09 04:44:38 <muthu> loopt.com
Apr 09 04:44:50 <jasta> one of my best friends works for loopt.com
Apr 09 04:45:21 <muthu> verizon is offering loopt for a monthly subscription, if i remember right
Apr 09 04:45:31 <jasta> i know ;)
Apr 09 04:45:36 <muthu> yeah, loopt is ahead.. they were early.
Apr 09 04:45:47 <muthu> and YCombinator helps
Apr 09 04:46:05 <Kraln> hmm
Apr 09 04:46:10 <Kraln> none of those are exactly what I'm offering
Apr 09 04:46:32 <muthu> location based chat is what elimatta does
Apr 09 04:46:36 <muthu> rummble does
Apr 09 04:47:02 <muthu> once you find friends, then you chat
Apr 09 04:47:13 <Kraln> I think mine looks the most like loopt
Apr 09 04:47:29 <jasta> loopt is pretty cool, actually.  i've used it many times.
Apr 09 04:47:41 <Kraln> but I'm using IRC as the backend =)
Apr 09 04:47:51 <muthu> interesting krain
Apr 09 04:48:07 <muthu> jasta: yeah loopt looks cool
Apr 09 04:48:50 <Kraln> I just gotta make sure the client is up to snuff
Apr 09 04:49:20 <muthu> LBS is the rage
Apr 09 04:49:23 <Kraln> I think I can get it where it needs to be by the end of the week
Apr 09 04:49:23 <muthu> so much demand
Apr 09 04:49:35 <muthu> and if you have something working.. you have a deal
Apr 09 04:49:39 <Kraln> oh, it works
Apr 09 04:49:45 <Kraln> the client is just kind of skeletal at the moment
Apr 09 04:50:22 <Kraln> ie, it can connect to the network, see a list of channels plotted by where they are, and join channels and chat
Apr 09 04:50:33 <Kraln> but it's sort of ugly. :-(
Apr 09 04:51:48 <muthu> ugly doesn't matter
Apr 09 04:52:11 <jasta> muthu: for the challenge, yes it does.
Apr 09 04:52:18 <muthu> really?
Apr 09 04:52:19 <Kraln> I was going to say, I'm pretty sure it does
Apr 09 04:52:23 <jasta> muthu: yes, read the rules.
Apr 09 04:52:25 <Kraln> that's one of the four criteria
Apr 09 04:52:34 <muthu> hmm
Apr 09 04:54:00 <Kraln> I'm wondering if I should generalize the client so it can function (without location services) on normal irc servers
Apr 09 04:54:24 <Kraln> I mean it should, but it'll send a bunch of weirdo-commands
Apr 09 04:54:31 <Kraln> that most ircds will be like "wtf?"
Apr 09 04:58:13 <muthu> make up your mind
Apr 09 04:58:49 <Kraln> hmm?
Apr 09 04:59:19 <muthu> on the LBS front
Apr 09 04:59:29 <muthu> i'll say LBS is what people want right now
Apr 09 04:59:49 <jasta> you're a very arbitrary person, muthu :)
Apr 09 04:59:58 <muthu> lol
Apr 09 05:00:32 <Kraln> well, it's about services tie-in
Apr 09 05:00:40 <Kraln> do I want to lock the client to my server or not
Apr 09 05:00:57 <Kraln> I'm leaning towards yes
Apr 09 05:01:16 <muthu> krain: how does it help me, as an end user?
Apr 09 05:01:28 <muthu> i'll be thinking more from a user pov
Apr 09 05:01:30 <Kraln> if I lock in, end users will be presented with a consistent user experience
Apr 09 05:01:39 <muthu> ok.. good
Apr 09 05:01:40 <Kraln> if I don't lock in, users can use it as a general purpose IRC client
Apr 09 05:02:17 <Kraln> I mean, the client and the server bits are MPL licensed... so if someone wants a general purpose one it'll take about three seconds to reconfigure
Apr 09 05:02:56 <muthu> IRC on your mobile.. hmm
Apr 09 05:03:39 <muthu> generic services doesn't excite me much
Apr 09 05:04:02 <muthu> jasta: got some news
Apr 09 05:04:22 <jasta> ?
Apr 09 05:04:48 <muthu> May 6 is not going to happen
Apr 09 05:05:05 <zhobbs> HTC confirmed it's not android related
Apr 09 05:05:05 <jasta> i figured as much :)
Apr 09 05:05:15 <muthu> yeah, we have confirmation now
Apr 09 05:05:30 <zhobbs> hah, at least HTC is watching the site :)
Apr 09 05:05:32 <Kraln> I want a sprint android phone -.-
Apr 09 05:05:35 <muthu> i love when people give feedback
Apr 09 05:05:52 <jasta> i think early may will have plenty of its own excitement :)
Apr 09 05:05:56 <muthu> zhobbs: book an island, buddy.. the party is coming to town
Apr 09 05:06:12 <muthu> oh yeah May 5..
Apr 09 05:06:20 <zhobbs> yeah, that will be great
Apr 09 05:06:44 <muthu> twitter, anyone?
Apr 09 05:06:49 <muthu> very addictive.
Apr 09 05:07:24 <jasta> ive never used it
Apr 09 05:07:36 <muthu> try it
Apr 09 05:07:37 <jasta> i'm much too busy to explore it now ;)
Apr 09 05:07:57 <muthu> but be prepared to spend (waste?) a lot of time
Apr 09 05:11:42 <jasta> romainguy: *sigh*, i'm so stuck :(
Apr 09 06:25:22 <muthu> jasta: what are you stuck at?
Apr 09 06:25:32 <jasta> muthu: this silly relativelayout problem
Apr 09 06:27:29 <muthu> what's the problem?
Apr 09 06:28:07 <jasta> it just isnt laying out properly.  i ignored it for now
Apr 09 06:28:25 <jasta> man i cant believe the submission is so soon :)
Apr 09 06:28:33 <muthu> most of the layouts needs some sort of a nesting
Apr 09 06:29:09 <muthu> i can't wait for it to be over and done with
Apr 09 06:29:30 <jasta> hehe, yeah i suppose :)
Apr 09 06:36:02 <mickrobk> has anyone used softreferences in android?
Apr 09 06:36:19 <mickrobk> they seem to been collected extremly aggressively
Apr 09 06:36:51 <mickrobk> or if not, have a suggestion for another caching scheme?
Apr 09 06:42:39 <romainguy___> yes
Apr 09 06:42:44 <romainguy___> they are collected very aggressively
Apr 09 06:42:47 <romainguy___> this will change
Apr 09 06:43:14 <mickrobk> romainguy__, thanks
Apr 09 06:44:19 <Evi> 'Erro!
Apr 09 06:45:01 <Evi> Evi here...  Just an aimless wanderer, come to see what the commotion is all about.  There IS commotion here, right?
Apr 09 06:45:09 <Evi> If not...  there should be.
Apr 09 06:45:19 <visit0r> commotion?
Apr 09 06:45:48 <Evi> Yes, commotion!
Apr 09 06:46:25 <Evi> A Disturbance in the Force, ya know?
Apr 09 06:47:14 <jasta> You sound like a used car salesmen.
Apr 09 06:47:21 <Evi> I should hope not.
Apr 09 06:47:24 <Evi> Terrible people, those guys,
Apr 09 06:47:55 <Evi> No, the goal of the Used Car Salesman is to HIDE the commotion.
Apr 09 06:47:59 <Evi> At least I'm up-front about it.
Apr 09 06:48:08 <jasta> can you try, like, talking less?
Apr 09 06:48:29 <Evi> Hm.  If I talked less, would the all of you talk a bit more?
Apr 09 06:49:26 <Evi> No.  See?  That doesn't work.
Apr 09 06:50:22 <Evi> Okay.  I get it.  Goodnight, roybots!
Apr 09 06:50:48 <jasta> strange fella
Apr 09 07:03:03 * f00f- is excited that 95% of his app's functionality is there
Apr 09 07:03:16 <jasta> not me hehe
Apr 09 07:03:21 <jasta> like 60% of mine is ;)
Apr 09 07:03:37 <jasta> i'll have the right amount for the challenge tho
Apr 09 07:03:49 <f00f-> are you adding any extras just for kicks?
Apr 09 07:04:03 <jasta> extras?
Apr 09 07:04:04 <f00f-> i'd like to but i want to strike a good balance for all 4 categories
Apr 09 07:04:13 <f00f-> like nice-to-have features that don't really add much
Apr 09 07:04:34 <f00f-> for example: i've added things that showcase use of android platform, but don't really add to the uniqueness of my app
Apr 09 07:04:34 <jasta> oh, no, i have several of them but those were developed a while ago :)
Apr 09 07:04:53 <f00f-> since most LBS apps will have said features anyway
Apr 09 07:05:32 <f00f-> mundane stuff like "show my location" in google maps mobile
Apr 09 07:05:33 <f00f-> etc.
Apr 09 07:05:44 <f00f-> where if follows you around as your gps/location changes
Apr 09 07:20:14 <invain> hi
Apr 09 07:22:04 <davidw> 'morning
Apr 09 07:33:23 <rhett> deadline is coming androiders
Apr 09 07:33:28 <rhett> hey, what is this "dream" handset?
Apr 09 07:35:02 <Jythonroid> is there any method that can set the position of the cursor in EditText please?
Apr 09 07:36:06 <muthu> rhett: that's the HTC android device, named Dream
Apr 09 07:37:20 <rhett> so, that comes out for developers in may?
Apr 09 07:40:56 <muthu> no its not
Apr 09 07:41:07 <muthu> it might come later
Apr 09 08:09:15 <chomchom> morning you crazy code guys. that was a nice game pack - http://www.vimeo.com/875115
Apr 09 08:09:37 <chomchom> Now I have to run to work
Apr 09 08:20:19 * rhett cringes as I try to get this on dialulp
Apr 09 08:21:32 <rhett> nogo, i need flash 9
Apr 09 09:56:13 <zod> how can i use a layout from xml for the getView() Method in adapters?
Apr 09 11:08:33 <acsia> finally managed to solve a bug after approx 32 hours of searching for it!
Apr 09 11:09:06 <acsia> chomchom: u three?
Apr 09 11:09:09 <acsia> there?
Apr 09 11:13:45 <nil733> can anybody tell me as to how to put buttons for slide show on the image screen
Apr 09 11:16:25 <nil733> can anybody help me
Apr 09 11:25:24 <nil733> can anybody answer my question
Apr 09 11:25:49 <muthu> nil: what you want to do?
Apr 09 11:26:18 <nil733> i have created a photo slide show
Apr 09 11:26:39 <nil733> i want to put up buttons on that image screen
Apr 09 11:26:57 <muthu> use a layout
Apr 09 11:27:31 <nil733> but till now for this particular application i have not used layout
Apr 09 11:27:58 <muthu> now you want buttons, right.. so put them below the image in a layout
Apr 09 11:28:42 <nil733> ok
Apr 09 11:29:02 <nil733> but i have to set the content view to a specific layout
Apr 09 11:29:15 <muthu> yeah set them to the layout
Apr 09 11:29:38 <muthu> design the layout to include whatever views you want
Apr 09 11:30:12 <nil733> but now when i start my application the layout is not from any xml file
Apr 09 11:30:29 <nil733> its directly from the java file
Apr 09 11:30:53 <nil733> if i set a layout from xml file it will display it first
Apr 09 11:31:08 <muthu> you can either load it from xml
Apr 09 11:31:13 <muthu> or do it by code
Apr 09 11:31:19 <nil733> ok
Apr 09 11:31:28 <nil733> i will chek it out
Apr 09 11:31:31 <nil733> thank you
Apr 09 11:31:36 <muthu> np
Apr 09 13:32:07 <acsia> HA!
Apr 09 13:32:16 <acsia> Finally!
Apr 09 13:32:27 <zod> muthu: how can i load a layout afterwards (for example for getView() in adapters)?
Apr 09 13:37:33 <muthu> you can use view inflate
Apr 09 13:41:33 <michaelnovakjr> when using view inflate how can i get the view to redraw?
Apr 09 13:48:36 <muthu> michael: you'll have to invalidate.. but am not sure
Apr 09 13:48:55 <muthu> invalidate basically redraws the views
Apr 09 13:49:16 <michaelnovakjr> hmmm... i called the invalidate but it doesn't redraw it
Apr 09 13:50:38 <muthu> yeah i've noticed weird behaviors too
Apr 09 14:19:35 <hap> Yolanda: hi, are you the Yolanda I know ?
Apr 09 14:19:59 <Yolanda> hap: no
Apr 09 14:20:40 <hap> ok :)
Apr 09 14:20:44 <hap> different network etc.
Apr 09 14:22:50 <Yolanda> ...
Apr 09 15:13:54 <jasta> sigh
Apr 09 15:13:57 <jasta> damn you Android :)
Apr 09 15:14:04 <jasta> robbing me of sleep :)
Apr 09 15:15:05 <zhobbs> things are starting to slow down here
Apr 09 15:16:07 <michaelnovakjr> robbing of lots of sleep
Apr 09 15:18:52 <jasta> zhobbs: not for me really, i've gotten more aggressive this past week
Apr 09 15:19:08 <michaelnovakjr> me too
Apr 09 15:19:42 <jasta> i even took Monday off work
Apr 09 15:20:50 <zhobbs> last monday, or the 14th?
Apr 09 15:20:57 <jasta> the 14th
Apr 09 15:21:19 <jasta> i am going to try to submit on Sunday, but just in case i don't...
Apr 09 15:21:27 <jasta> even if I do submit Sunday, I will be sleeping all day monday :)
Apr 09 15:21:40 <B0jangles> will be interesting if Google
Apr 09 15:21:43 <B0jangles> ...
Apr 09 15:21:52 <jasta> ?
Apr 09 15:21:54 <B0jangles> will be interesting if Google's servers go down on Monday or something
Apr 09 15:22:01 * B0jangles accidentally hit enter too early
Apr 09 15:22:24 <B0jangles> ...overloaded by thousands of submissions
Apr 09 15:22:26 <jasta> i thought of that; i assume that if registration is closed inadvertantly on the last day that they would extend it 1 day.
Apr 09 15:22:40 <B0jangles> aye ;-)
Apr 09 15:22:45 <jasta> but let's be realistic; *Google's* servers?  really? :)
Apr 09 15:22:49 <B0jangles> Still, I'll be submitting a day or two early
Apr 09 15:23:06 <jasta> what's your project?
Apr 09 15:23:16 <B0jangles> Sadly, I'm not allowed to talk about it ;-(
Apr 09 15:23:35 <B0jangles> Though, I suppose I will be allowed to after Monday
Apr 09 15:24:06 <jasta> who is preventing you?
Apr 09 15:24:12 <B0jangles> my employer
Apr 09 15:24:30 <jasta> is your app being developed by your employer or you personally?
Apr 09 15:26:01 <B0jangles> well, I'm the sole developer, but it's an project for my employer
Apr 09 15:26:22 <B0jangles> It's an offshoot of an existing project, so I think they see it mostly as a way to potentially get more attention
Apr 09 15:26:23 <jasta> hmm
Apr 09 15:26:28 <B0jangles> and potentially some money
Apr 09 15:26:37 <jasta> i'm sorta curious why companies would be motivated to compete.
Apr 09 15:26:57 <jasta> seems like they hand over an awful lot of power to Google for a measley $300K grand prize.
Apr 09 15:27:04 <Tomasso> what does that R.java class mean?
Apr 09 15:27:11 <B0jangles> jasta: how so?
Apr 09 15:27:17 <Tomasso> and those hex values?
Apr 09 15:27:27 <zhobbs> Tomasso: it's internal id's for resources
Apr 09 15:27:27 <B0jangles> The ADC is advetised as "no strings attached"
Apr 09 15:27:51 <jasta> except that you permit Google to use your name and materials for use in their marketing.
Apr 09 15:28:00 * dpino thought deadline was on Sunday
Apr 09 15:28:17 <B0jangles> jasta: yeah, Google using your name and materials in their marketing is a *huge* bonus
Apr 09 15:28:19 <jasta> dpino: it's apr 14th 11:59:59 PST.  fortunately, i'm in PST :)
Apr 09 15:28:48 <dpino> Pacific time
Apr 09 15:28:52 <B0jangles> If you're in the sort of business where gaining public attention is a good thing, I guess
Apr 09 15:29:13 <dpino> I am GMT +2, that gives me some extra time, but I do not think I could do much on Monday
Apr 09 15:29:18 <jasta> B0jangles: i would suspect that business entities would want to have more control over how their product is delivered to the public, marketed, etc.
Apr 09 15:29:31 <B0jangles> Depends on the product
Apr 09 15:29:33 <jasta> letting a third party take it, even one like Google, seems wreckless.
Apr 09 15:30:15 <jasta> esp since the first round is not a public launch (no user will have it yet), so you'd think a business entity would want to not market it at that time.
Apr 09 15:30:32 <zhobbs> jasta: business who plan on distributing the app for free don't care
Apr 09 15:30:40 <zhobbs> businesses*
Apr 09 15:30:42 <B0jangles> Like I said, it's part of a larger product
Apr 09 15:30:59 <B0jangles> The Android part of it is seen by my employer largely as a marketing vessel
Apr 09 15:31:02 <jasta> also, it takes away from the possibility of being "first to market" on Android, since another entity would be able to swoop in between May 5th and the commercial launch date
Apr 09 15:31:03 <Tomasso> zhobbs, are those ids auto generated?
Apr 09 15:31:14 <zhobbs> Tomasso: yeah, R.java is auto generated
Apr 09 15:31:21 <B0jangles> Having Google be a part of that marketing is a huge bonus
Apr 09 15:31:27 <michaelnovakjr> R.java connects your java to your UI
Apr 09 15:31:34 <Tomasso> if I add a new resource then does it refresh?
Apr 09 15:31:39 <michaelnovakjr> and values and drawables... etc
Apr 09 15:31:52 <Tomasso> great
Apr 09 15:31:59 <B0jangles> For instance, (and this is not my project), say you have a Facebook-type social-networking site that nobody's heard of...
Apr 09 15:32:06 <B0jangles> You make an Android app that interfaces with it...
Apr 09 15:32:09 <B0jangles> Give it away free
Apr 09 15:32:14 <B0jangles> Win the Google ADC
Apr 09 15:32:22 <B0jangles> And suddenly people have heard of your site
Apr 09 15:32:28 <B0jangles> You get revenue from the ads on your site
Apr 09 15:32:31 <michaelnovakjr> i have one
Apr 09 15:32:39 <michaelnovakjr> its called basement networking
Apr 09 15:32:51 <michaelnovakjr> you have to be over 30 and live in your mom's basement :)
Apr 09 15:33:32 <michaelnovakjr> as you can see i take social networking with a grain of salt
Apr 09 15:33:56 <B0jangles> like I said, that's not my project...it's just the first similar example I could come up with...
Apr 09 15:34:12 <michaelnovakjr> of course, its really popular stuff right now
Apr 09 15:34:25 <michaelnovakjr> look at myspace.... its garbage now...
Apr 09 15:34:38 <B0jangles> it was garbage before, too ;-)
Apr 09 15:34:40 <michaelnovakjr> its not long before facebook goes with it
Apr 09 15:35:04 <michaelnovakjr> people get bored of the same thing over and over
Apr 09 15:35:10 <michaelnovakjr> eventually it will fade
Apr 09 15:35:13 <B0jangles> I've never actually been to Facebook
Apr 09 15:35:20 <michaelnovakjr> but the concept will always be there
Apr 09 15:35:40 <michaelnovakjr> social networking of the future, as i see it, will be integrated into company products
Apr 09 15:35:54 <B0jangles> I'm intrigued by the idea, and have written a few limited social-networking-type things, but I can't say I've used it much
Apr 09 15:35:56 <michaelnovakjr> not really sure if there will be one big open standard
Apr 09 15:36:32 <michaelnovakjr> but the core ideas of social networking could enhance productivity in companies if integrated into their current internal software
Apr 09 15:36:46 <michaelnovakjr> basically work related communication management
Apr 09 15:37:01 <B0jangles> absolutely, I think social networking can be hugely beneficial
Apr 09 15:37:48 <michaelnovakjr> but companies like myspace and facebook aren't the long term standards
Apr 09 15:38:05 <michaelnovakjr> they are the equivalent of rebound relationships
Apr 09 15:38:30 <michaelnovakjr> soon enough there will be an open standard that everyone will want to adopt because it expands the arena that they can reach
Apr 09 15:38:31 <B0jangles> It's hard to say. In some ways, I see social networking evolving further, but it's really hard to kill off sites that are first to market
Apr 09 15:38:34 <B0jangles> Look at Ebay
Apr 09 15:38:39 <B0jangles> or Craigslist
Apr 09 15:39:02 <michaelnovakjr> craigslist is a good example of the core principles without all the extra crap
Apr 09 15:39:03 <B0jangles> Shit, I could write a better Craigslist, but nobody would use it because Craigslist already has the traffic
Apr 09 15:39:05 <zhobbs> the internet is just a big popularity contest
Apr 09 15:39:17 <michaelnovakjr> agreed zhobbs
Apr 09 15:40:08 <hap> I just started the eclipse thing with the Hello application, the emulator started but I only see a red thing going
Apr 09 15:40:14 <hap> is that supposed to mean it is currently booting ?
Apr 09 15:40:19 <B0jangles> hap: yes
Apr 09 15:40:24 <B0jangles> hap: it takes awhile
Apr 09 15:40:28 <hap> man it does
Apr 09 15:40:29 <B0jangles> hap: go get a coffee or something
Apr 09 15:40:34 <michaelnovakjr> its an emulator :)
Apr 09 15:40:37 <hap> core 2 duo low latency here, 2gigs
Apr 09 15:40:44 <michaelnovakjr> but once its running, leave it running
Apr 09 15:40:50 <hap> does it emulate the slowness of what I ll get on my phone ? :)
Apr 09 15:40:52 <michaelnovakjr> otherwise you'll waste away your life
Apr 09 15:41:00 <hap> michaelnovakjr: ah ok i can leave it running
Apr 09 15:41:06 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Apr 09 15:41:17 <michaelnovakjr> just click run in eclipse to restart the app
Apr 09 15:41:18 <hap> stupid question but can I get more software to play with, like the thing I see on videos
Apr 09 15:41:23 <hap> with the browser etc
Apr 09 15:41:32 <michaelnovakjr> hap what do you mean?
Apr 09 15:41:38 <zhobbs> hap: no
Apr 09 15:41:41 <hap> webkit, etc
Apr 09 15:41:44 <hap> ah sux
Apr 09 15:41:46 <zhobbs> you have to install the packages with "adb"
Apr 09 15:41:59 <michaelnovakjr> hap, adb is your friend :)
Apr 09 15:42:00 <hap> ah ok, but I can install them to have a complete environment ?
Apr 09 15:42:11 <zhobbs> hap: ?
Apr 09 15:42:20 <B0jangles> what do you mean by complete environment?
Apr 09 15:42:34 <zhobbs> it comes with webkit, maps, contacts
Apr 09 15:42:42 <zhobbs> and ApiDemos
Apr 09 15:42:48 <michaelnovakjr> and dev tools );
Apr 09 15:42:56 <michaelnovakjr> ;)
Apr 09 15:48:46 <hap> ok i did not see it, i got the complete env
Apr 09 15:48:52 <hap> but on the video i see a bottom dock
Apr 09 15:48:58 <hap> wihch i don t get on the emulator
Apr 09 15:49:05 <michaelnovakjr> the interface was redesigned
Apr 09 15:49:14 <michaelnovakjr> could be you saw the old version in the video
Apr 09 15:50:52 <hap> ah ok
Apr 09 15:50:58 <hap> well i liked the previous bottom dock in fact
Apr 09 15:50:59 <hap> hehe
Apr 09 15:51:08 <B0jangles> join the club ;-)
Apr 09 15:51:24 <michaelnovakjr> the home screen is the hardest part of the interface
Apr 09 15:51:39 <michaelnovakjr> i have a feeling it will be slightly different in the next release too ;)
Apr 09 15:52:54 <B0jangles> probably. I'm guessing it will come out pretty soon after the 14th, too
Apr 09 15:53:02 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Apr 09 15:53:43 <hap> I have to say it s pretty slick, I bought a n800 when released and i think maemo is the crappiest UI I saw for small devices
Apr 09 15:54:40 <hap> can t wait to be able to put android on the n800 (i saw about the n810)
Apr 09 15:54:57 <michaelnovakjr> what provider do you have?
Apr 09 15:55:13 <hap> michaelnovakjr: what do you mean ?
Apr 09 15:55:35 <michaelnovakjr> who do you use for your cell carrier?
Apr 09 15:56:04 <hap> my n800 is used a brick on my desk for the last year now. Can't stand it. I bought a ipod touch and I just love it, can t leave the house without it now (emails notes etc)
Apr 09 15:56:13 <hap> michaelnovakjr: i feel ashamed but i have no more cell phone
Apr 09 15:56:28 <michaelnovakjr> wowee
Apr 09 15:56:30 <hap> for the last 3 or 4 years
Apr 09 15:56:36 <hap> but i like embed devices etc
Apr 09 15:56:54 <michaelnovakjr> that's interesting
Apr 09 15:56:56 <hap> maybe i ll get one if it fits the size of the ipod touch and look like the emulator
Apr 09 15:57:10 <hap> and not like a blackberry
Apr 09 15:57:10 <michaelnovakjr> i haven't spoken to someone without a cellphone in a long time
Apr 09 15:57:17 <hap> well here I am ;)
Apr 09 15:57:29 <michaelnovakjr> any reason?
Apr 09 15:57:50 <hap> i have to say, it feels great not having one and being able to say 'no i have no cell phone number but you can reach me at my office'
Apr 09 15:58:08 <michaelnovakjr> i rarely use mine as a phone
Apr 09 15:58:17 <hap> well I was tired of people calling me for no reasons, I don t want a brain tumor within 20 years, and I like to feel special.
Apr 09 15:58:24 <michaelnovakjr> i just like it for the data connection :) i tell people to email me ;)
Apr 09 15:58:35 <hap> so do I and I fetch them at the office.
Apr 09 15:58:49 <michaelnovakjr> i am on the move alot so it helps to have it handy
Apr 09 15:59:00 <hap> yeah i was thinking about a 3g usb dongle
Apr 09 15:59:14 <hap> I have the vaio tz90 bought in tokyo and I often have it with me
Apr 09 15:59:21 <hap> a 3g on it would do
Apr 09 15:59:27 <michaelnovakjr> vaio as in sony?
Apr 09 15:59:41 <hap> yes
Apr 09 15:59:55 <hap> 1kg, best laptop i ever had
Apr 09 15:59:55 <michaelnovakjr> ahh, i had bad luck with the vaio
Apr 09 16:00:09 <michaelnovakjr> i use apple and freebsd
Apr 09 16:00:16 <hap> me too, the harddrive failed, but it s a toshiba one, the laptop was easy to open
Apr 09 16:00:28 <hap> well I wanted one but when i saw the Air i just laughed
Apr 09 16:00:38 <michaelnovakjr> oh yea, the Air is a joke
Apr 09 16:00:45 <michaelnovakjr> i use a macbook pro
Apr 09 16:00:54 <hap> mine is 1.1kg, firewire, 3 usb 2gigs of ram 160 of disk, fingerprint reader, etc
Apr 09 16:01:07 <hap> and it has the best screen i ve even seen
Apr 09 16:01:14 <hap> however it costs 3k euros in France
Apr 09 16:01:21 <hap> but 1.4 in tokyo so ...
Apr 09 16:01:30 <hap> the pro is good but it was too heavy for my needs
Apr 09 16:01:38 <michaelnovakjr> you could probably get it for half that in the states :)
Apr 09 16:01:47 <hap> don t think so :
Apr 09 16:02:05 <michaelnovakjr> our currency is pretty low
Apr 09 16:02:17 <bilboed-tp> x61 ftw ! :)
Apr 09 16:02:34 <bilboed-tp> worth over 2000EUR in europe, bought it for 900EUR in the states :)
Apr 09 16:02:39 <hap> http://www.dynamism.com/tz90/main.shtml
Apr 09 16:02:46 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Apr 09 16:02:51 <hap> michaelnovakjr: see the price
Apr 09 16:02:55 <michaelnovakjr> gotta love the good old US of A
Apr 09 16:02:58 <hap> bilboed-tp: yeah i thought of the x61s too
Apr 09 16:03:17 <hap> bilboed-tp: wish I had backlight keyboard or the same thing for the x61s for a ticklight
Apr 09 16:03:35 <bilboed-tp> hap, there's a light on top of the screen :)
Apr 09 16:03:36 <michaelnovakjr> i love backlight keyboards
Apr 09 16:03:48 <hap> bilboed-tp: i know, that s why I was saying
Apr 09 16:03:53 <hap> the only thing I wished i had on my vaio
Apr 09 16:03:56 <bilboed-tp> hap, which I never use even in the dark. The keyboard is just that well designed
Apr 09 16:04:12 <hap> well me neither but it impresses girls
Apr 09 16:04:20 <bilboed-tp> it's a friggin laptop !
Apr 09 16:04:26 <bilboed-tp> find something else to impress girls :)
Apr 09 16:04:44 <hap> well in the dark they need a bit of light to see the size of my penis
Apr 09 16:04:47 <hap> well nevermind
Apr 09 16:04:52 <bilboed-tp> *cough*
Apr 09 16:05:04 <hap> else they can t beleive it
Apr 09 16:05:11 <hap> haha sorry *leaving*
Apr 09 16:05:31 <zhobbs> hah
Apr 09 16:05:37 <michaelnovakjr> guess its that hard to find
Apr 09 16:05:40 <hap> anyway Android looks like a fine thing, now I need customers to pay me to code something on it I guess.
Apr 09 16:06:10 <hap> when is supposed to come the first phone that looks like the emulator and not blackberry like
Apr 09 16:06:33 <michaelnovakjr> what do you mean?
Apr 09 16:06:56 <hap> when can I buy a phone that has a large display and no keyboard
Apr 09 16:07:00 <hap> June ?
Apr 09 16:07:25 <michaelnovakjr> htc already makes them, and they will be supporting android, so whenever they decide on a date is when you'll be able to get one
Apr 09 16:07:44 <hap> ok. is that the 'dream
Apr 09 16:07:46 <hap> ?
Apr 09 16:07:57 <hap> well let s wait then
Apr 09 16:08:03 <michaelnovakjr> they make the touch right now that runs win mobile
Apr 09 16:08:57 <hap> i cant beleive how the n800 is badly designed on the software side
Apr 09 16:09:19 <bilboed-tp> hap, yeah, sucks
Apr 09 16:09:30 <bilboed-tp> hap, very good stack, but the end software is so shitty
Apr 09 16:09:36 <bilboed-tp> hap, not even some PIM apps on it
Apr 09 16:10:03 <bilboed-tp> s/end software/end-user software/
Apr 09 16:10:31 <hap> bilboed-tp: well when I saw a menu like on my desk for something that has a touch screen only
Apr 09 16:10:48 <hap> the UI is crap, no drap & drop and can t change the icons on the left easily
Apr 09 16:24:49 <jasta> yawn
Apr 09 16:24:51 <jasta> at work now :(
Apr 09 16:43:44 <michaelnovakjr> i am exhausted
Apr 09 16:48:40 <hap> who works professionaly here for Android ?
Apr 09 16:49:31 <romainguy> I do ^^
Apr 09 16:50:01 <michaelnovakjr> i don't
Apr 09 16:50:57 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy, when using the viewinflate, when modifiying the view calling the invalidate should redraw it right?
Apr 09 16:51:00 <dpino> does anybody know how can I take a snapshot of a view? there was createBitmap but it crashes in m5
Apr 09 16:51:36 <romainguy> dpino: you can use setDrawingCacheEnabled(true)/getDrawingCache()
Apr 09 16:51:51 <romainguy> michaelnovakjr: if attached to a parent, yes
Apr 09 16:51:58 <dpino> thank you romainguy
Apr 09 16:52:23 <michaelnovakjr> so, you have to invalidate the parent view romainguy?
Apr 09 16:52:37 <romainguy> no
Apr 09 16:52:48 <romainguy> but it depends on how you use ViewInflate
Apr 09 16:53:00 <romainguy> there are versions of the inflate() methods that don't put the inflated view into a view hierarchy
Apr 09 16:53:53 <michaelnovakjr> i pull the view by calling the getViewInflate method
Apr 09 16:54:15 <michaelnovakjr> i can modify for example a string, and see its changed in the log but it doesn't redraw to the UI
Apr 09 16:55:02 <romainguy> michaelnovakjr: how do you invoke inflate() ?
Apr 09 16:58:39 <michaelnovakjr> getViewInflate().inflate(layout, null, null);
Apr 09 16:59:37 <romainguy> here you go
Apr 09 16:59:40 <romainguy> your view has not parent
Apr 09 17:06:08 <borism> anyone got build for n810? :)
Apr 09 17:12:41 <jasta> morning romain :)
Apr 09 17:15:38 <jasta> hmm, i've been instantiating ViewInflate with ViewInflate.from(ctx) all this time
Apr 09 17:15:54 <romainguy> jasta: it's the same
Apr 09 17:15:57 <jasta> oh, ok
Apr 09 17:16:28 <jasta> so, romain, what sort of app are you excited about on Android? :)
Apr 09 17:16:54 <jasta> "...if you had a magic phone..."
Apr 09 17:17:16 <romainguy> an app that would do my job :)
Apr 09 17:17:23 <romainguy> more seriously, I don't really care about features
Apr 09 17:17:30 <romainguy> I just want something easy to use and that looks good
Apr 09 17:18:12 <jasta> you must have some functionality that you're hoping to see
Apr 09 17:18:37 <davidw> "GirlFinder 1.0"
Apr 09 17:18:40 <muthu> romain wants a cooking app ;)
Apr 09 17:18:54 <muthu> i have that too.. dating
Apr 09 17:18:55 <zhobbs> I hope there's not more than 10-15 social networking apps in the top 50
Apr 09 17:18:58 <romainguy> jasta: not really, a decent mail app and phone :)
Apr 09 17:19:06 <jasta> zhobbs: agreed :)
Apr 09 17:19:25 <muthu> lot of submission on social networking
Apr 09 17:19:50 <jasta> romainguy: The mail app is pretty important to me.  e-mail and maps are the two big reasons i have a smartphone.
Apr 09 17:20:30 <zhobbs> yep, email, maps, media player and a good browser and you should be covered
Apr 09 17:20:34 <jasta> muthu: the great thing is that i think the novelty will wear off with the judges, and a lot of the app scores will be deflated as a result.
Apr 09 17:20:42 <zhobbs> hopefully
Apr 09 17:21:05 <zhobbs> plus EVERY app will probably have some crappy social networking feature crowbarred in
Apr 09 17:21:09 <muthu> social networking is the craze
Apr 09 17:21:17 <jasta> Actually, I am developing this music player when I have never even taken advantage of the media player functionality on my smart phone.  It is a feature I completely ignore.
Apr 09 17:21:23 <muthu> google might be watching closely on those submissions
Apr 09 17:22:03 <muthu> jasta: you can send songs to your friends?
Apr 09 17:22:12 <jasta> muthu: No, that would be illegal.
Apr 09 17:22:16 <muthu> share your music list?
Apr 09 17:22:28 <acsia> jasta: last.fm?
Apr 09 17:22:43 <jasta> muthu: yes, in the way that last.fm permits.
Apr 09 17:22:51 <jasta> acsia: ?
Apr 09 17:22:52 <muthu> oh cool
Apr 09 17:23:15 <jasta> though the first round submission will contain only the core set of last.fm features i am looking for.
Apr 09 17:23:18 <acsia> jasta: do you have last.fm integration?
Apr 09 17:23:32 <acsia> submission of songs?
Apr 09 17:23:32 <jasta> and even as the app expands, i will try to keep my feature set erasonably bound.  i don't ever intend to have my player turn into a "last.fm client"
Apr 09 17:23:39 <jasta> acsia: Yes, and more.
Apr 09 17:23:45 <acsia> nice
Apr 09 17:24:03 <jasta> Check this out
Apr 09 17:24:13 <jasta> I will show you what inspired my project :)
Apr 09 17:24:24 <muthu> what?
Apr 09 17:25:03 <acsia> did you notice that nelson mandela is developing an app for android?
Apr 09 17:25:09 <acsia> http://www.helloandroid.com/node/178
Apr 09 17:25:56 <muthu> lol
Apr 09 17:25:57 <acsia> did not know you where so high up in society hobbs ;)
Apr 09 17:26:25 <muthu> ah.. this is funny
Apr 09 17:26:35 <jasta> actually, this blog might be private
Apr 09 17:26:37 <jasta> http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=55882634&blogID=292739958&Mytoken=A7495834-12B2-4031-89037435D7278EE328665788
Apr 09 17:26:52 <acsia> indeed yes
Apr 09 17:26:57 <jasta> damn :)
Apr 09 17:27:00 <muthu> wow private blog.. must read
Apr 09 17:27:25 <muthu> what?
Apr 09 17:27:29 <muthu> open it up jasta
Apr 09 17:27:35 <jasta> it's not my blog
Apr 09 17:27:59 <jasta> anyway, it's a humorous blog post about my friend building his own iPhone.
Apr 09 17:28:21 <muthu> good you drew inspiration from your friends
Apr 09 17:28:27 <jasta> he taped his ipod to the back of his flip phone
Apr 09 17:28:57 <jasta> humor aside, it made me realize that *IS* an iPhone.  the "built-in" iPod is basically taped to it; it offers almost nothing extra despite the device now having a mobile internet connection
Apr 09 17:29:22 <jasta> all the same restrictions of a traditionally unwired iPod came with it.  even the iPod Touch now has Wi-Fi but for what?  iTunes store?  lame.
Apr 09 17:29:43 <muthu> yeah steve jobs knows how to sell
Apr 09 17:29:45 <jasta> it inspired me to design a music player that wasn't just taped to the back of a phone, but actually integrated with it.
Apr 09 17:29:59 <muthu> woah deep
Apr 09 17:30:08 <muthu> ** applause for jasta
Apr 09 17:30:20 <muthu> ** awards pouring in for jasta
Apr 09 17:30:39 <muthu> ** nobel prize for jasta
Apr 09 17:30:42 <muthu> lol
Apr 09 17:30:57 <muthu> jasta seriously your app will kick ass
Apr 09 17:31:08 <muthu> since you are drawing from real life
Apr 09 17:42:29 <davidw> ahahah
Apr 09 17:49:04 <jasta> davidw: ?
Apr 09 18:03:58 <Bonkers> jasta: the iphone offers nothing more because AT&T doesn't want them using gobs and gobs of bandwith
Apr 09 18:04:04 <Bonkers> you can only use the itunes store on wifi even
Apr 09 18:04:10 <Bonkers> I'm sure 3G will be different thoguh
Apr 09 18:12:52 <zhobbs> jasta: so TabActivity isn't really depreciated right?
Apr 09 18:23:17 <acsia> zhobbs: no I don t think so
Apr 09 18:24:47 <acsia> nice acquaintance zhobbs
Apr 09 18:26:14 <zhobbs> acsia: ?
Apr 09 18:26:59 <acsia> zhobbs: I suppose this is yours: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/178
Apr 09 18:27:12 <acsia> Bush, Zapatero, Chavez
Apr 09 18:27:23 <zhobbs> haha
Apr 09 18:27:43 <zhobbs> not mine
Apr 09 18:28:08 <zhobbs> only about half those guys are really on my contact list on my phone :)
Apr 09 18:28:18 <Tomasso> whats the androids middlet version? the main app ? i read an activity is just a page, a View is like a layer, and where do i write the main application?
Apr 09 18:29:36 <davidw> Tomasso, time to hit the docs:-)
Apr 09 18:29:37 <zhobbs> acsia: it's a screen of the CallFreq application (not mine): http://www.helloandroid.com/node/179
Apr 09 18:29:41 <acsia> Tomasso are you submitting anything to the ADC? :)
Apr 09 18:30:04 <Tomasso> :$
Apr 09 18:30:05 <acsia> zhobbs: I know I just assume that it was yours because the user is hobbs
Apr 09 18:30:33 <Tomasso> nono i havent done anything yet
Apr 09 18:30:34 <Tomasso> :S
Apr 09 18:30:34 <zhobbs> Ahhh...I post a lot of other peoples apps on there
Apr 09 18:30:42 <Tomasso> ahahah
Apr 09 18:30:44 <acsia> aha ok
Apr 09 18:31:16 <acsia> BTW tomasso, you would use the activity to write your main business logic
Apr 09 18:31:19 <zhobbs> and lots of people post their apps on there too...hopefully everyone will be posting their apps in there after the 14th
Apr 09 18:31:24 <Tomasso> there is one guy in my corp that puts his name to source code he didnt write
Apr 09 18:31:39 <Tomasso> ajahahahah
Apr 09 18:31:44 <acsia> that s bad
Apr 09 18:32:11 <Tomasso> acsia, isnt an activity just a screen?
Apr 09 18:32:26 <Tomasso> or that is the view?
Apr 09 18:32:55 <acsia> an activity has usually a view yes
Apr 09 18:33:11 <romainguy___> Tomasso: You shouldn't try to map Android's concepts to Java ME's
Apr 09 18:33:11 <acsia> what do you want to do?
Apr 09 18:33:51 <Tomasso> just a splash screen, that when dissappears changes  the backgroud and shows a menu with images
Apr 09 18:34:07 <Tomasso> button images
Apr 09 18:34:24 <zorg-> Why is the README file the hardest part ....
Apr 09 18:35:09 <acsia> because it is written in capital letters and with no extension
Apr 09 18:35:59 <zorg-> :) right :)
Apr 09 18:36:37 <muthu> http://www.pocketjourney.com/androidVideo.do
Apr 09 18:39:34 <acsia> muthu: I am building something very similar
Apr 09 18:39:54 <muthu> what's it acsia?
Apr 09 18:40:39 <acsia> it is more of a container for geo located data without providing the actual data
Apr 09 18:40:42 <chomchom> oooh
Apr 09 18:40:55 <acsia> I use dynamic class loading and convention
Apr 09 18:41:05 <chomchom> I like the videos
Apr 09 18:41:06 <muthu> how's it used?
Apr 09 18:41:08 <acsia> the dyn loading is for the map overlay
Apr 09 18:41:23 <chomchom> good marketing, I've totally got to get on that after I nail the basic functionality
Apr 09 18:41:41 <muthu> yeah marketing counts
Apr 09 18:41:44 <acsia> well it catchs a meta data tag on your provider, read some config, register the app (that I call module)
Apr 09 18:42:06 <acsia> each time you use your module, my app register it and catch the location
Apr 09 18:42:14 <acsia> then you have a global view of a 'place'
Apr 09 18:42:36 <muthu> ok
Apr 09 18:42:36 <chomchom> making the best app in the world is one thing, getting people to use it is another.
Apr 09 18:42:45 <muthu> right
Apr 09 18:42:53 <acsia> I actually just managed today with the class loading part so I am a bit behind :D just hope the judge will understand what my idea
Apr 09 18:43:00 <acsia> but it looks very cool
Apr 09 18:43:06 <acsia> your app that is
Apr 09 18:43:12 <acsia> it scares me a bit :)
Apr 09 18:43:22 <muthu> don't worry its not mine :)
Apr 09 18:43:26 <chomchom> oh is that your app muthu?
Apr 09 18:43:30 <muthu> its one of the submissions though
Apr 09 18:43:33 <chomchom> good stuff, looks really good
Apr 09 18:43:42 <muthu> note mine.. posted in the challenge forums
Apr 09 18:43:46 <acsia> how do you know it is one of the submissions?
Apr 09 18:43:48 <acsia> aha
Apr 09 18:43:59 <chomchom> ah right
Apr 09 18:44:14 <muthu> i'm adding it as my pick no 7
Apr 09 18:44:16 <muthu> :)
Apr 09 18:44:36 <chomchom> I think that gets my pick number 1
Apr 09 18:44:37 <davidw> hrm hrm hrm... there's no way to programmatically set up an intent filter when an apk is loaded is there...
Apr 09 18:44:59 <zhobbs> davidw: yeah you can
Apr 09 18:45:10 <davidw> yeah?
Apr 09 18:45:11 <zhobbs> and enable/disable it also
Apr 09 18:45:12 <acsia> davidw: loaded or installed?
Apr 09 18:45:24 <davidw> installed, I mean...loaded in the emulator
Apr 09 18:45:29 <acsia> yes I managed
Apr 09 18:45:45 <zhobbs> registerReceiver(updateFinishedReceiver, filter);
Apr 09 18:45:51 <zhobbs> unregisterReceiver(updateFinishedReceiver);
Apr 09 18:46:04 <davidw> zhobbs, yeah, but what's that called from?
Apr 09 18:46:14 <acsia> android:scheme="package"
Apr 09 18:46:15 <davidw> I know you can do it if your app gets kicked off
Apr 09 18:46:24 <zhobbs> Ahhh
Apr 09 18:46:44 <zhobbs> I see, so you want to register it without the guarentee that your app is run to set it all up
Apr 09 18:46:53 <davidw> yeah
Apr 09 18:47:20 <acsia> android.intent.action.PACKAGE_INSTALL?
Apr 09 18:47:30 <acsia> on the above scheme
Apr 09 18:47:47 <zhobbs> Hmm, is that referring to your package or any package?
Apr 09 18:47:52 <davidw> I guess you could have a stub 'on phone startup' intent receiver than proceeds to create something else for you
Apr 09 18:48:16 <acsia> phone boot does not work
Apr 09 18:48:27 <acsia> permission issue
Apr 09 18:48:44 <zhobbs> acsia: I've used BOOT_COMPLETE before
Apr 09 18:48:55 <acsia> zhobbs: did you manage??
Apr 09 18:49:03 <acsia> I keep getting permission not granted
Apr 09 18:49:08 <acsia> while I have the permission set
Apr 09 18:49:32 <davidw> hrm hrm hrm.... think think think
Apr 09 18:49:45 * zhobbs is trying to remember if he's done in in M5 yet
Apr 09 18:51:06 <davidw> I'm considering adding it to the builder stage, but that's not quite as neat and clean
Apr 09 18:53:12 <Hai-Fai> could anyone tell me how to set progressbar to a some spectacular value?
Apr 09 18:54:12 <jasta> spectacular?
Apr 09 18:54:20 <B0jangles> spectacular, huh
Apr 09 18:54:27 <zhobbs> 100?
Apr 09 18:54:29 <B0jangles> like one zillion
Apr 09 18:54:31 <B0jangles> ?
Apr 09 18:54:36 <zhobbs> 150?
Apr 09 18:54:42 <davidw> pi is pretty spectacular in its own way
Apr 09 18:54:45 <B0jangles> my progress bar goes to eleven
Apr 09 18:54:47 <zhobbs> e
Apr 09 18:55:19 <jasta> Hai-Fai: perhaps you are looking for setMax, though it would be impossible to know :)
Apr 09 18:55:31 <Hai-Fai> I did mean to set it to a value [ie. from range 1-1000 or whatever..] ie. 55/1000
Apr 09 18:55:45 <jasta> i just noticed something alarmigng
Apr 09 18:55:47 <Hai-Fai> is it via setProgress?
Apr 09 18:55:56 <B0jangles> fire alarm?
Apr 09 18:55:58 <jasta> Hai-Fai: Yes, obviously
Apr 09 18:56:01 <Hai-Fai> thanks
Apr 09 18:56:07 <jasta> ProgressBar's methods are synchronized; wy?
Apr 09 18:56:09 <jasta> why*
Apr 09 18:56:17 <davidw> the progress bar is annoying in that you can't set the style programmatically
Apr 09 18:56:27 <romainguy___> jasta: for updates from background threads
Apr 09 18:57:17 <jasta> is there magic in here that causes it to post to a handler?
Apr 09 18:58:08 <jasta> davidw: Well, sure you can.  just use setBackground()
Apr 09 18:58:10 <romainguy___> it doesn't post to a handler
Apr 09 18:58:38 <romainguy___> er
Apr 09 18:58:40 <romainguy___> it *does*
Apr 09 18:58:43 <jasta> are you sure?  what does postInvalidate do? :)
Apr 09 18:59:04 <Tomasso> does the MicroEmulator for android work ?
Apr 09 18:59:08 <jasta> romainguy___: interesting anyway, i hadn't realized you guys did this.
Apr 09 18:59:12 <romainguy___> postInvalidate() is not really meant for threads handling
Apr 09 18:59:15 <jasta> is Toast also synchronized in this way?
Apr 09 18:59:22 <romainguy___> it's more for repainting later
Apr 09 18:59:34 <romainguy___> but progressbar posts a runnable
Apr 09 18:59:38 <romainguy___> if needed
Apr 09 19:00:30 <jasta> i've noticed that Toast can also be used from the non-UI threads.
Apr 09 19:01:08 <jasta> was that intentional as well?
Apr 09 19:01:30 <muthu> adobe media player released
Apr 09 19:02:17 <muthu> good night androids
Apr 09 19:02:50 <jasta> i had assumed Toast could be used in non-UI threads because it was being handled by a service somewhere, and so IPC was necessary regardless of the thread that creates and shows it.
Apr 09 19:04:34 <jasta> man i love Android's UI framework ;)
Apr 09 19:04:58 <Lede> jasta you android fanatic!
Apr 09 19:43:41 <jasta> i just looked at Toast.java, looks like I was right about the service, but wrong about the reason why it can be used from non-UI threads.
Apr 09 19:44:15 <michaelnovakjr> what;s the reason?
Apr 09 19:44:43 <jasta> the notification service is just a scheduler with a timer in this way
Apr 09 19:45:08 <jasta> the reason Toast is usable by non-UI threads is that when the notification service invokes the callbacks, the views are manipulated using a posted runnable.
Apr 09 19:45:22 <jasta> which is presumably because the service callback is happening in the binder thread, not the UI thread anyway
Apr 09 19:46:40 <michaelnovakjr> i like threads :)
Apr 09 19:46:59 <jasta> i am especially pleased by how beautifully android integrates with the OpenBinder.
Apr 09 19:47:22 <michaelnovakjr> indeed
Apr 09 19:48:19 <Tomasso> whats the fastest way to learn android and have an application working in tree days ?
Apr 09 19:48:31 <michaelnovakjr> in tree days... never tried it
Apr 09 19:48:36 <Tomasso> heheheh
Apr 09 19:48:44 <benley> are those like dog years?
Apr 09 19:48:51 <michaelnovakjr> it depends on the application
Apr 09 19:48:57 <Tomasso> does anyone have some briefing on android, docs are huge
Apr 09 19:49:00 <zhobbs> my app crashes a lot in debug mode
Apr 09 19:49:00 <michaelnovakjr> i haven't written anything useful in three days
Apr 09 19:49:04 <Tomasso> and dunno where to start from
Apr 09 19:49:16 <michaelnovakjr> assuming you meant three days
Apr 09 19:49:17 <zhobbs> Tomasso: tutorials at helloandroid.com, anddev.org
Apr 09 19:49:21 <acsia> anddev.org should be a good start
Apr 09 19:49:30 <zhobbs> Tomasso: do the official Google tutorial actually
Apr 09 19:49:31 <acsia> lots of coffee
Apr 09 19:49:46 <zhobbs> Tomasso: that will show you the basic idea of Activities, etc
Apr 09 19:49:52 <michaelnovakjr> invest in coffee ;)
Apr 09 19:50:08 <zhobbs> dump spouse/friends
Apr 09 19:50:22 <michaelnovakjr> stock up on canned food
Apr 09 19:51:28 <michaelnovakjr> quit your job too while you are at it
Apr 09 19:51:54 <acsia> amphetamines and other stimulant if you can find some
Apr 09 19:52:11 <acsia> are you gonna go for it?
Apr 09 19:52:20 <michaelnovakjr> sounds appealing :)
Apr 09 19:52:47 <acsia> reminds me of my uni years :)
Apr 09 19:52:51 <mickrobk> i might suggest frozen pizza over canned food though, easier
Apr 09 19:52:51 <michaelnovakjr> did we scare him away?
Apr 09 19:52:55 <zhobbs> well if he wants to submit an entry for ADC at this point, amphetamines are a really good idea
Apr 09 19:52:56 <michaelnovakjr> true
Apr 09 19:58:25 <Tomasso> thank you !
Apr 09 19:58:37 <michaelnovakjr> are you going for the challenge/
Apr 09 20:02:32 <jasta> lol
Apr 09 20:02:50 <jasta> Tomasso: If you are hoping to participate in the challenge, you can forget it.  There is literaly no way in 3 days you will produce a winning submission.
Apr 09 20:03:56 <meus> jasta: so are you done?
Apr 09 20:05:00 <Bonkers> hey, anything is possible in 3 days ;) I wrote an entire recursive ray tracer in college in 3 days
Apr 09 20:06:03 <michaelnovakjr> the mind is different young
Apr 09 20:07:07 <jasta> meus: Nope, but I won't be "done" after the 14th either.  My app still has easily 4 more months of development left before I'm completely happy with it.
Apr 09 20:07:33 <meus> jasta: ok, so you will not be in the challange then? or can you join even if it is not complete?
Apr 09 20:08:03 <jasta> I will be submitting with a set of requirements I have laid out to have done by the challenge deadline.  Though it is not a mature app, I feel it is deserving of the qualifying grant.
Apr 09 20:08:17 <zhobbs> jasta: you sure you can make Toast's in a non UI thread?
Apr 09 20:08:21 <jasta> zhobbs: Positive.
Apr 09 20:08:56 <romainguy___> I should take a look at the source to be sure
Apr 09 20:09:01 <jasta> Well, mostly positive.  The only gotcha I see in the code is that the view is inflated from the thread you call makeText.
Apr 09 20:09:02 <zhobbs> I'm getting the standard "can't ... when not Looper ..."
Apr 09 20:09:03 <romainguy___> the fact it works doesn't mean it will always work :)
Apr 09 20:09:12 <jasta> romainguy___: I'm reading the decompiled code :)
Apr 09 20:09:25 <romainguy___> jasta: aren't you not supposed to decompile the code? :)
Apr 09 20:09:34 <romainguy___> or supposed not to decompile the code
Apr 09 20:09:42 <zhobbs> haha, he's getting thrown out of the challege
Apr 09 20:09:50 <zhobbs> :)
Apr 09 20:10:15 <jasta> romainguy___: Whatever ;)
Apr 09 20:10:41 <B0jangles>  has google actually said not to decompile the code?
Apr 09 20:10:44 <jasta> romainguy___: At any rate, the only part of Toast that might not be thread-safe to me would be the call to ViewInflate.
Apr 09 20:10:55 <zhobbs> B0jangles: it's in the terms you accept to d/l
Apr 09 20:11:02 <B0jangles> oh yeah
Apr 09 20:11:02 <jasta> I assume that inflating views can occur in a non-UI thread, and the View then attached to the UI in a UI thread.
Apr 09 20:11:05 <B0jangles> forgot about that
Apr 09 20:11:32 <romainguy___> jasta: if ViewInflate does the attach to the parent, then inflate() has to be invoked from the UI thread
Apr 09 20:11:32 <B0jangles> I wonder why they care...
Apr 09 20:11:45 <B0jangles> If it's going to be open sourced eventually anyway
Apr 09 20:11:50 <zhobbs> B0jangles: they really shouldn't...
Apr 09 20:11:55 <jasta> romainguy___: It does not.  The Toast is instantiated, then viewinflate is called and the resulting view associated with the result later.
Apr 09 20:11:58 <zhobbs> B0jangles: and probably really don't
Apr 09 20:12:08 <jasta> romainguy___: Then, the View is posted to the UI thread and attached to the window.
Apr 09 20:12:30 <romainguy___> hmm
Apr 09 20:12:34 <romainguy___> but it also manipulates the text view
Apr 09 20:12:36 <B0jangles> just BS from the legal dept...
Apr 09 20:12:37 <romainguy___> calling setText
Apr 09 20:13:04 <jasta> but wouldn't that be safe assuming that the View is not attached yet and thus not being drawn?
Apr 09 20:13:29 <romainguy___> jasta: still, that doesn't mean you can manipulate it from a non-UI thread
Apr 09 20:13:33 <romainguy___> the rule is pretty simple
Apr 09 20:13:35 <romainguy___> View == UI thread
Apr 09 20:13:59 <romainguy___> unless we explicitly say it's safe to use form a non UI thread, don't assume you can
Apr 09 20:14:03 <romainguy___> even by reading the code
Apr 09 20:14:05 <zhobbs> jasta: I'm getting: java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't create handler inside thread that has not called Looper.prepare(), at android.os.Handler.<init>(Handler.java:94), at android.widget.Toast.<init>(Toast.java:348), at android.widget.Toast.makeText(Toast.java:209)
Apr 09 20:14:07 <romainguy___> (which  might change at any time)
Apr 09 20:14:11 <jasta> I understand the general convention, but I suspect that in this case, it would be safe.  I see your point, however.
Apr 09 20:15:43 <jasta> Google's ApiDemos code does this too, though.  Unless services run in the UI thread?
Apr 09 20:16:22 <romainguy___> I don't care if you suspect it's safe, if it's not documented to be safe, it's not safe :))
Apr 09 20:16:45 <michaelnovakjr> need to be careful when flirting with the thread safe boundaries
Apr 09 20:17:36 <jasta> romainguy___: Fair enough; but then is a service's main thread considered a UI thread?
Apr 09 20:17:43 <jasta> (not the binder threads)
Apr 09 20:17:44 <romainguy___> I have no idea
Apr 09 20:17:56 <jasta> Well, the ApiDemos assume that it is, I think.
Apr 09 20:17:58 <romainguy___> what's the ApiDemo?
Apr 09 20:18:07 <jasta> since two services there make and show a Toast in onDestroy
Apr 09 20:19:10 <jasta> romainguy___: AlarmService_Service and RemoteService_Service
Apr 09 20:19:22 <jasta> or rather, RemoteService
Apr 09 20:19:44 <romainguy___> a Service is an ApplicationContext
Apr 09 20:19:52 <romainguy___> so it will run on a UI thread I believe
Apr 09 20:20:15 <jasta> I initially was using Toast, incorrectly, from a binder thread in my service.
Apr 09 20:20:19 <romainguy___> yes
Apr 09 20:20:22 <romainguy___> it does use a UI thread
Apr 09 20:20:28 <jasta> So I implemented a handler, and assumed that the Service ran in the UI thread.
Apr 09 20:20:37 <romainguy___> (really called an ApplicationThread internally)
Apr 09 20:20:40 <jasta> Though I was not sure if that was true, or if Toast was thread-safe.  That was the reason for my exploration.
Apr 09 20:21:36 <jasta> I am invoking Toasts only in the event of unrecoverable errors, though.
Apr 09 20:22:04 <michaelnovakjr> question: can a service be run in another thread?
Apr 09 20:22:07 <jasta> I assume that my software has numerous bugs at present, so I try to report them meaningfully.
Apr 09 20:22:23 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: No, but a service could start its own thread.  In that case, you'd want to use a handler as I am.
Apr 09 20:23:09 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i have a service starting its own thread
Apr 09 20:23:30 <jasta> romainguy___: I also assume in my applications that each service connection runs in its own BinderThread, is that true?
Apr 09 20:23:50 <romainguy___> no idea, ask hackbod on the mailing list
Apr 09 20:24:14 <B0jangles> there's a mailing list?
Apr 09 20:24:20 <zhobbs> haha
Apr 09 20:24:33 <f00f-> i dont use a handler in a service, i just use a runnable
Apr 09 20:24:35 <romainguy___> B0jangles: the newsgroup, same thing
Apr 09 20:24:36 <michaelnovakjr> i get a classnotfound exception when running through the onStart method for the Service
Apr 09 20:24:39 <B0jangles> oh
Apr 09 20:24:46 <f00f-> and i never could set a handler through AIDL =[
Apr 09 20:25:23 <zhobbs> can you use NNTP to access the mailing list??
Apr 09 20:28:45 <michaelnovakjr> is the mailing list big?
Apr 09 20:29:25 <zhobbs> android-developer is pretty active
Apr 09 20:38:14 <jasta> romainguy___: Yikes, I was auditing my code and caught that I was using RemoteCallbackList as though it was thread-safe.
Apr 09 20:39:34 <zhobbs> Hmmm...added TabActivity to my application and now I'm getting StackOverflowErrors
Apr 09 20:40:56 <jasta> zhobbs: It's possible that the complexity of your view hierarchy has exceeded the stack limit Android has.
Apr 09 20:41:05 <jasta> That happened to me already.
Apr 09 20:41:11 <zhobbs> yeah, I think I'm there
Apr 09 20:41:26 <zhobbs> well...that kinda sucks
Apr 09 20:41:30 <jasta> It's especially likely if you use ViewInflate.inflate since it is typically adding an extra unnecessary layer.
Apr 09 20:41:41 <zhobbs> that's when it breaks
Apr 09 20:41:52 <zhobbs> and adapter that inflates each row
Apr 09 20:41:56 <jasta> I had to adjust some parts of my code to attach the inflated views to its parent myself.
Apr 09 20:41:58 <zhobbs> s/and/an
Apr 09 20:42:04 <jasta> and not the outer view.
Apr 09 20:42:09 <michaelnovakjr> i have a Runnable defined in my service... the thread is created and the run method is called. I have it call a method from the service, and it gets caught up there and doesn't finish
Apr 09 20:42:15 <zhobbs> Ohh...that might be the prob
Apr 09 20:42:49 <jasta> zhobbs: For example in compound controls, you would typically extend a Layout, and then still call ViewInflate.inflate
Apr 09 20:43:01 <jasta> But your XML-defined layout is probably wrapped in its own Layout
Apr 09 20:43:24 <jasta> So your control is a LinearLayout, which contains simply a LinearLayout (and then the rest of your view).
Apr 09 20:44:04 <zhobbs> so extend linear layout, inflate in this linearlayout and create instances of this linearlayout to use in adapter...
Apr 09 20:44:20 <jasta> I avoided this in certain critical cases by using ViewInflate.inflate, then looping through the yielded view's children and attaching them manually.
Apr 09 20:44:47 <jasta> I have heard that the next SDK makes this problem go away though.
Apr 09 20:45:14 <romainguy___> *a* next SDK
Apr 09 20:45:21 <zhobbs> heh
Apr 09 20:45:29 <romainguy___> but yes
Apr 09 20:45:39 <romainguy___> as of this week we have <include /> and <ViewStub />
Apr 09 20:46:32 <zhobbs> jasta: so when you inflate the view what are you using for parent?
Apr 09 20:47:40 <jasta> null
Apr 09 20:50:59 <Tomasso> how do I set up transitions between application layouts?
Apr 09 20:51:10 <Tomasso> based on user input
Apr 09 20:53:29 <michaelnovakjr> hey you're back :)
Apr 09 20:53:48 <zhobbs> Tomasso: will be built into future SDK's
Apr 09 20:54:06 <zhobbs> you can animate switching different Views with ViewAnimator, but can't animate Activities yet
Apr 09 20:54:21 <michaelnovakjr> if you stop a service that starts a thread, when the service dies the thread dies to correct?
Apr 09 20:55:01 <B0jangles> it dies to correct what?
Apr 09 20:55:12 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Apr 09 20:55:26 <michaelnovakjr> oh sorry discard the to in there
Apr 09 20:55:41 <michaelnovakjr> or put another o, too
Apr 09 20:56:11 <michaelnovakjr> basically if the service is shutdown the thread goes with it, right?
Apr 09 20:56:15 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: Not necssarily.
Apr 09 20:56:19 <jasta> necessarily*
Apr 09 20:56:54 <jasta> If your process is still alive (for other reasons), the thread won't die.
Apr 09 20:56:54 <michaelnovakjr> how can you make sure that it does? or is that something that i don't need to worry about?
Apr 09 20:57:17 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: You make sure it does by stopping your thread.  You can interrupt the thread and wait for it to die (using join)
Apr 09 20:57:30 <jasta> and then in the thread itself, make sure that it responds meaningfully to the interrupt.
Apr 09 21:00:24 <zhobbs> jasta: how do you get the View's children?
Apr 09 21:00:43 <jasta> zhobbs: getChildCount and getChildAt (cast it to a ViewGroup, since you know that it is)
Apr 09 21:01:53 <zhobbs> hmm...I'm using a RelativeLayout, layout params might be tricky
Apr 09 21:05:47 <jasta> zhobbs: getLayoutParams()
Apr 09 21:05:57 <jasta> or whatever the method is.
Apr 09 21:06:19 <zhobbs> yeah
Apr 09 21:07:37 <zhobbs> jasta: http://android.pastebin.com/m33675de8
Apr 09 21:07:59 <zhobbs> still get stackOverflow...maybe I'm just screwed
Apr 09 21:09:12 <jasta> zhobbs: You may be *way* over the limit :)
Apr 09 21:09:20 <jasta> investigate your view hierarchy to see how big it is
Apr 09 21:09:43 <zhobbs> pretty big ---
Apr 09 21:09:50 <romainguy___> I made a change in post-M5 to improve that
Apr 09 21:09:56 <jasta> btw you should use addView(child, child.getLayoutParams());
Apr 09 21:10:04 <romainguy___> jasta: no
Apr 09 21:10:08 <zhobbs> jasta: gives error
Apr 09 21:10:09 <romainguy___> jasta: addView(child) will do the same
Apr 09 21:10:17 <romainguy___> in M5 your hierarchy can be at most about 15 levels deep
Apr 09 21:10:24 <romainguy___> starting from the top (title bar, etc.)
Apr 09 21:10:27 <jasta> romainguy___: Oh, nevermind then :)
Apr 09 21:11:09 <jasta> zhobbs: You can implement your own Layouts that don't requir as much depth :\
Apr 09 21:11:17 <jasta> zhobbs: But I'd investigate how deep it is (through code)
Apr 09 21:11:19 <romainguy___> that's usually the best solution
Apr 09 21:11:20 <jasta> so that you can find places to target
Apr 09 21:11:26 <romainguy___> it's also much more efficient for drawing and layout
Apr 09 21:22:38 <jasta> romainguy___: i never did figure out that RelativeLayout problem from last night.
Apr 09 21:23:14 <zhobbs> well...I got rid of one level and it works now...right not the threshold
Apr 09 21:23:25 <zhobbs> on*
Apr 09 21:23:26 <jasta> do you have any insight?  when i used layout_centerInParent for testing, it centered horizontally but then was half way off the top of the edge of the parent
Apr 09 21:23:37 <jasta> zhobbs: My app runs right on the edge too ;P
Apr 09 21:28:42 <zhobbs> crap...unless I scroll my listview!  stackoverflow when I scroll
Apr 09 21:29:12 <jasta> why would you get that?  is your depth increasing?
Apr 09 21:29:21 <zhobbs> no
Apr 09 21:29:30 <zhobbs> all the views in the list are the same
Apr 09 21:29:36 <jasta> hmm
Apr 09 21:29:43 <jasta> well, try reducing one more layer :)
Apr 09 21:30:09 <zhobbs> romain said the title bar counts huh?
Apr 09 21:43:36 <zhobbs> how do I specify an absolute height/width for a View in code?
Apr 09 21:43:55 <zhobbs> just pass values to LayoutParams
Apr 09 21:57:35 <jasta> zhobbs: yeah, you lose all the unit fanciness, but i think it's just in pixels
Apr 09 22:14:05 <jjt001> quick question
Apr 09 22:14:08 <jjt001> i have a radiogroup
Apr 09 22:14:38 <jjt001> once a user selects an item they cannot change all of the items in the radiogroup to unselected
Apr 09 22:15:18 <jasta> that's because that's how radio groups are supposed to work; if you want a "None", you should add a None option.
Apr 09 22:15:19 <jjt001> for example, if they click a choice and later decide they don't want to mark any choices, they have no way of deselecting the entire group
Apr 09 22:15:33 <jjt001> jasta: how do i do that
Apr 09 22:15:39 <jjt001> sorry
Apr 09 22:15:42 <jjt001> nvr mind
Apr 09 22:15:47 <jasta> uhm ;)
Apr 09 22:16:02 <jjt001> jasta: i thought you were trying to say something elese
Apr 09 22:23:05 <davidw> and the hacks roll on....
Apr 09 22:25:03 <jasta> davidw: ?
Apr 09 22:25:26 <davidw> command line tool to insert intent receiver hack thing...
Apr 09 22:25:30 <davidw> it's pretty ugly:-/
Apr 09 22:26:06 <jasta> uhhh, ok?
Apr 09 22:27:39 <davidw> you might want to write a hecl script that acts as an intent receiver
Apr 09 22:27:59 <acsia> davidw: so? you used the word hack twice without bursting out some code
Apr 09 22:28:33 <davidw> I just wrote the code
Apr 09 22:28:37 <acsia> davidw:have you submitted your hecl project already?
Apr 09 22:28:45 <davidw> no, still tweaking it
Apr 09 22:30:20 <acsia> is it open source?
Apr 09 22:30:26 <davidw> yes, Apache license
Apr 09 22:30:35 <davidw> you can get it out of svn right now
Apr 09 22:30:57 <davidw> I'm actually offering to split the proceeds of any winnings with people who contribute code
Apr 09 22:31:20 <davidw> although it's pretty late at this point:-)
Apr 09 22:31:22 <acsia> I might take a look after monday :) I am not sure it is a good idea to play with it right now
Apr 09 22:32:33 <acsia> do you use some kind of jit compiler?
Apr 09 22:35:54 <jasta> RelativeLayout is driving me insane :(
Apr 09 22:36:08 <jasta> i might just extend my own Layout just to stop futzing with this thing :)
Apr 09 22:36:14 <chomchom> I feel your pain man.
Apr 09 22:37:02 <davidw> acsia, no, it's just a simple interpreter
Apr 09 22:37:46 <davidw> that's part of what makes it small
Apr 09 22:39:18 <proq> is there a media player for android, for playing .3gp or .mov or .flv, etc. files?
Apr 09 22:39:56 <acsia> you should check back on monday
Apr 09 22:40:26 <John_P2> there is a link to sample apps on the first page of dev forum
Apr 09 22:40:31 <acsia> not sure about .mov .flv as it is proprietary afaik
Apr 09 22:41:29 <proq> acsia: what happens on monday?
Apr 09 22:41:54 <acsia> the google challenge deadline
Apr 09 22:42:00 <chomchom> John_P2: which dev forum are you reffering to?
Apr 09 22:42:32 <proq> John_P2: indeed. but nothing remotely similar to a movie player
Apr 09 22:42:55 <acsia> you might want to join forces with tomasso if you are interested in submitting something ^^
Apr 09 22:43:13 <proq> John_P2: phone vendors always provide movie players with their systems
Apr 09 22:43:43 <John_P2> oh, the Media Sample Apps by Megha isn't what you're looking for?
Apr 09 22:43:46 <proq> acsia: nah, I decided a month ago not to go with anything
Apr 09 22:44:25 <John_P2> sample of 1) MediaPlayerTest, 2) MediaRecorder, 3) VideoViewDemo
Apr 09 22:44:39 <chomchom> John_P2: you mentioned a dev forum, which one did you mean?
Apr 09 22:44:44 <proq> John_P2: oh, that looks promising. thanks
Apr 09 22:44:45 <jjt001> is there any way to programatically deselect all of the radiobuttons in a radiogroup
Apr 09 22:44:50 <acsia> proq: I kid, tomasso thought he could learn android in 3 day... and I definitely need some rest after this
Apr 09 22:45:09 <John_P2> the main google group dev forum. direct link is: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/web/media-sample-apps
Apr 09 22:45:19 <jjt001> would RadioGroup.unpress()
Apr 09 22:45:20 <jjt001> work
Apr 09 22:45:30 <proq> acsia: well, you can learn it in three days.  but unless you have something really amazing to port, 3 days isn't going to cut it  :P
Apr 09 22:45:45 <chomchom> ah the group, just checking
Apr 09 22:46:06 <jjt001> everyone here done with their apps?
Apr 09 22:46:22 <acsia> nope
Apr 09 22:46:27 <chomchom> the last 20/80 :)
Apr 09 22:46:27 <proq> acsia: plus I signed this agreement not to work on other software with my current employer
Apr 09 22:46:45 <jjt001> acisa: do you know how to deselect the contents of a radiogroup
Apr 09 22:46:52 <jjt001> would radiogroup.unpress () work
Apr 09 22:46:56 <romainguy___> jjt001: no, you have to use clearCheck()
Apr 09 22:47:07 <jjt001> romainguy__: thanks
Apr 09 22:47:18 <romainguy___> read the docs...
Apr 09 22:47:20 <acsia> proq: this is my 'free' time
Apr 09 22:48:46 <proq> acsia: i c
Apr 09 22:48:54 <acsia> anybody have a good suggestion on icon sets?
Apr 09 22:48:59 <John_P2> I'm trying to extend a view to add functionality, but find the attribute specification via code difficult.  So I'm wondering if there's a way to specify the styles in XML and "pull" it in?  I'm aware of view.inflate(), but my understanding is that that gets you an instantiated view that you can set in an Activity.
Apr 09 22:50:49 <acsia> John_P2: I don t get what you are trying to do
Apr 09 22:51:33 <chomchom> acsia: fam fam fam is the best quality for free but they are for the web. I would reommend iconshock if you are going to pay for the icons
Apr 09 22:51:50 <John_P2> In other words, using XML layouts isn't sufficient for me because I wanna override some of that view's functions.  So I'm extending the view.  But now, I don't have the XML luxury anymore.
Apr 09 22:51:57 <acsia> thx
Apr 09 22:52:28 <acsia> why would you need the xml if you are doing it programmatically
Apr 09 22:53:09 <jasta> romainguy___: hehe, are you ignoring me?  be honest ;)
Apr 09 22:53:17 <John_P2> because I'm having a hard time finding how to set the styles. They're not verbatim same as the XML version
Apr 09 22:53:35 <John_P2> plus, I already have the XML layout =)
Apr 09 22:54:02 <acsia> John_P2: I would suggest to build as much as possible in your xml and use <view code=""> tag for the programmatical part
Apr 09 22:54:23 <John_P2> oh interesting. I did not know that tag.
Apr 09 22:55:04 <acsia> afaik all the style can be set in xml or programmatically
Apr 09 22:55:24 <acsia> that s how you would set a google map for instance in the xml
Apr 09 22:59:13 <romainguy___> jasta: about what?
Apr 09 22:59:26 <romainguy___> John_P2: you can use custom Views in XML
Apr 09 23:00:20 <acsia> is there menu exemple in the API Demos?
Apr 09 23:01:44 <romainguy___> and you guys should try to always use XML
Apr 09 23:01:59 <romainguy___> since it lets you support different screen resolutions, orientation, languages, etc.
Apr 09 23:03:12 <acsia> romainguy___: how would you package xml into jars so it is usable accross several apps?
Apr 09 23:03:42 <romainguy___> I don't think we support this yet
Apr 09 23:04:07 <acsia> k, I ve been using java for custom components
Apr 09 23:04:16 <romainguy___> you can write custom components in Java
Apr 09 23:04:22 <romainguy___> but you can use these components from XML
Apr 09 23:04:29 <romainguy___> Home does exactly that for instance
Apr 09 23:04:40 <romainguy___> the button on the right use a custom layout called ApplicationStackLayout
Apr 09 23:04:53 <romainguy___> it's a Java class but it's use from XML, in layout-port and layout-land
Apr 09 23:05:13 <davidw> cool - can we see the source code to see how it's done?:-)
Apr 09 23:05:17 <acsia> interesting
Apr 09 23:05:32 <acsia> :) yes I was looking to do something similar
Apr 09 23:05:35 <romainguy___> davidw: I'd like to put Home as a sample in the next SDK
Apr 09 23:05:42 <romainguy___> I don't know if it's gonna happen though
Apr 09 23:05:56 <romainguy___> it'd be nice because Home demonstrates many many features of our UI toolkit
Apr 09 23:06:06 * davidw is still contemplating the scripting of intent receivers....
Apr 09 23:06:32 <romainguy___> styles, custom attributes, custom widgets, custom adapters, animations, layout animations, text colors, etc. etc.
Apr 09 23:06:32 <John_P2> romainguy__: oh that makes sense
Apr 09 23:12:59 <chomchom> yeah I agree, that would be a helpful example
Apr 09 23:21:27 <atmishere> can we run all C in android???
Apr 09 23:22:39 <jasta> romainguy___: about the RelativeLayout problem I'm having.
Apr 09 23:23:01 <jasta> the basic layout is:
Apr 09 23:23:57 <jasta> <Relative width=fill height=wrap> <Linear width=fill height=fill> ...stuff </Linear> <TextView width=84dip height=fill centerInParent=true /> </Relative>
Apr 09 23:24:15 <jasta> centerInParent was used as a test, i really want alignParentRight eventually
Apr 09 23:24:32 <jasta> anyway, the behaviour is very unusual: the TextView is centered horizontally, but placed half way off the top edge of the parent view.
Apr 09 23:24:39 <jasta> (this is an element in a list, if that matters)
Apr 09 23:25:09 <atmishere> can we run all C in android???
Apr 09 23:25:37 <jasta> what i'm trying to accomplish is to just have a right-hanging TextView that can draw over the top of whatever's under it.
Apr 09 23:25:44 <jasta> without affecting the flow of the linearlayout
Apr 09 23:25:58 <jasta> i have done something similar with the AlphabetBar, but that worked and this doesn't :)
Apr 09 23:26:13 <jasta> my first thought was that this was a baseline alignment problem, but i tried shutting it off
Apr 09 23:27:07 <romainguy___> RelativeLayout doesn't support baseline alignment by default
Apr 09 23:27:13 <romainguy___> you have to use the alignBaseline attribute
Apr 09 23:27:19 <jasta> well nevermind then.
Apr 09 23:28:05 <jasta> i'm completely lost trying to solve this.  if i set visibility=gone on the main LinearLayout, it still draws the textview half way off the edge, but it does make the total height of the row less (as i'd expect)
Apr 09 23:32:22 <jasta> i'm very confused :P
Apr 09 23:33:58 <romainguy___> it's probably because of the order in which stuff are processed in RelativeLayout
Apr 09 23:34:07 <romainguy___> also
Apr 09 23:34:12 <romainguy___> your relative layout is wrap_content
Apr 09 23:34:18 <romainguy___> but both the children are fill_parent
Apr 09 23:34:29 <romainguy___> that certainly doesn't help the relative layout compute an appropriate height
Apr 09 23:35:58 <jasta> hmm
Apr 09 23:36:23 <jasta> well what can i do? :)
Apr 09 23:36:57 <romainguy___> just use a linearlayout with negative margins
Apr 09 23:37:39 <jasta> hmm
Apr 09 23:38:01 <jasta> to just "attach" a fill_parent view to the right-hand side?
Apr 09 23:39:23 <romainguy___> <LinearLayout vertical>
Apr 09 23:39:47 <romainguy___>   <TextView width=fill height=wrap layout_marginBottom=-XX>
Apr 09 23:40:00 <romainguy___>   <LinearLayout width=fill height=whatever you want>
Apr 09 23:40:04 <romainguy___> </LinearLayout>
Apr 09 23:40:14 <romainguy___> and in TextView you set the text align to right
Apr 09 23:40:46 <jasta> well, the whole reason i want the textview to fill the parent is because i have a special background i'm attaching to it.
Apr 09 23:41:04 <romainguy___> then put the background on the parent
Apr 09 23:41:38 <jasta> my end goal with this is to have a listing of tracks on an album.  when the song is clicked, a bar will slide out saying "enqueued", hold for a few moments, then slide back away.
Apr 09 23:44:34 <jasta> actually, if you have a suggestion for a better UI, i'm all ears :)
Apr 09 23:45:10 <jasta> i hate that ipods automatically play songs when you click them, even if the playlist is already playing.
Apr 09 23:45:43 <jasta> so if you choose music while the playlist is active, the behaviour is to enqueue to play next, indicate that with the sliding back, then the bar will tuck away showing the enqueued position (1, 2, 3, etc)
Apr 09 23:46:08 <jasta> if you click the row again, i want the bar to slide back out showing more options like "play now", "play next", "go to playlist", etc.
Apr 09 23:47:02 <acsia> jasta: do you have contextual playlist?
Apr 09 23:51:21 <chomchom> has anyone got any good tab images?
Apr 09 23:51:59 <chomchom> Maybe I should just use the google ones, but I'm sure it's been mentioned that they'd rather we didn't use their images.
Apr 09 23:54:27 <acsia> is that true?
Apr 09 23:55:11 <acsia> chomchom: we meet again, if I start a company, I ll call it vampire consulting
Apr 09 23:55:16 <acsia> because we only work at night :)
Apr 09 23:55:27 <chomchom> man these be the hacking hours
Apr 09 23:55:50 <acsia> I manage to solve my bug this afternoon btw
Apr 09 23:56:14 <chomchom> the one that you were all "argh game over man" about yeah?
Apr 09 23:56:20 <acsia> I went to bed depressed and woke up in the same mood... really scared as my app is entirely based on that
Apr 09 23:56:25 <acsia> yep
Apr 09 23:56:38 <chomchom> heh
Apr 09 23:56:39 <acsia> so back with a smile
Apr 10 00:16:40 <f00f-> what
Apr 10 00:16:44 <f00f-> is the worry acsia
Apr 10 00:20:18 <acsia> f00f-: lol
Apr 10 00:21:12 <acsia> the thing that s worries me is when I check my watch and it says 1:20AM and I think to myself, great I have another hour or so...
Apr 10 00:21:39 <acsia> I ve been sleeping an average of 4 hours for the last 2 weeks
Apr 10 00:22:07 <chomchom> me too man
Apr 10 00:22:27 <chomchom> I'm planning on sleeping after the submission
Apr 10 00:22:55 <chomchom> It's the first time I've ever bought cans of red bull to keep in the house
Apr 10 00:24:14 <jerkface03> chomchom: i had a redbull binge when my finals were happening last week
Apr 10 00:24:20 <acsia> there was an article I red on slashdot about a newspaper investigating the health of bloggers as they overwork from home and don t do much exercise... I was reading it and thought, I am working from home, I am not doing any exercise...
Apr 10 00:24:26 <jerkface03> went a good 60 hours with 7 hours of sleep
Apr 10 00:25:34 <chomchom> I want to get in the habit of a little exercise again, its stimulating for your brain. Not ot mention my metabolism is starting to slow down.
Apr 10 00:26:39 <jasta> someone should make one of those diet planner / eating guide apps for android that prevents you from lying about what and how much you've eaten by listening to you eat :)
Apr 10 00:26:54 <jasta> you click apple and it goes "fat chance, that was a snickers"
Apr 10 00:26:57 <acsia> :) haha
Apr 10 00:27:17 <chomchom> HEH
Apr 10 00:27:19 <jasta> you say "6 crackers" it says "you were eating for 5 minutes."
Apr 10 00:27:32 <acsia> it should have been the first app as example
Apr 10 00:28:13 <f00f-> my latest, going to sleep is 4:15 AM
Apr 10 00:28:16 <acsia> or a android dev planer
Apr 10 00:28:20 <f00f-> then waking up at 10 or 11 to go to work
Apr 10 00:28:23 <f00f-> bbiab
Apr 10 00:28:40 <jasta> f00f-: welcome to my world, but i get up at 9 for work :)
Apr 10 00:29:20 <acsia> well I am working from home so it is hard to wake up when I do a late night, I end up starting my computer to ensure I dont have important emails and then I watch a family guy or something
Apr 10 00:29:24 <chomchom> man, we're all feeling this pain to be no the cusp.
Apr 10 00:29:31 <chomchom> on the cusp even.
Apr 10 00:30:28 <acsia> there is one factor to why my productivity is better from home...
Apr 10 00:30:32 <jasta> i can't imagine how crummy i'm going to feel if i don't win at least the qualifying round :)
Apr 10 00:30:36 <acsia> I have much stronger and tastier coffee
Apr 10 00:31:12 <jasta> i've decided may 4th i'm going to buy a bottle of scotch.  may 5th, when they announce the winners, i'm gonna drink it either way :)
Apr 10 00:31:37 <acsia> :) I follow you on that
Apr 10 00:31:45 <chomchom> heh, I've really given up on the fact I could get through.
Apr 10 00:31:49 <acsia> meeting up on IRC drunk
Apr 10 00:32:04 <jasta> actually, if i win, i'm definitely throwing a kegger at my house :)
Apr 10 00:32:15 <acsia> I am not that confident either especially with the new videos around
Apr 10 00:32:21 <chomchom> It would be really nice but it doesn't take away from all the effort thats went into the app, it's made and will continue to get really good.
Apr 10 00:32:25 <jasta> acsia: what new videos?
Apr 10 00:32:25 <acsia> jasta: where do you live?
Apr 10 00:32:30 <jasta> acsia: Seattle
Apr 10 00:32:41 <chomchom> party in seattle
Apr 10 00:32:42 <acsia> if I win, I ll buy a ticket ;)
Apr 10 00:33:02 <jasta> chomchom: my thoughts as well.  if i don't win, at least i stopped being lazy for 3 months and produced an app i want to use on my mobile.  maybe that will be satisfaction enough :)
Apr 10 00:34:05 <chomchom> Well the really cool thing is that I made mine with my girlfriend as the client
Apr 10 00:34:17 <chomchom> so she got a bespoke piece of software :)
Apr 10 00:34:57 <jasta> what is it?
Apr 10 00:35:24 <chomchom> man, I'd love to say. But I may as well wait until everyone is breaking the news. It will be more fun that way
Apr 10 00:35:37 <jjt001> anyone know anything about jdbc and mysql
Apr 10 00:35:40 <jjt001> ?
Apr 10 00:35:43 <jjt001> i need some help
Apr 10 00:35:57 <jjt001> jasta: ?
Apr 10 00:35:59 <jjt001> anyone?
Apr 10 00:36:03 <chomchom> what kind of help?
Apr 10 00:36:08 <chomchom> ask don't ask to ask
Apr 10 00:36:23 <jjt001> chomchom: strange exception thrown
Apr 10 00:36:24 <acsia> have you seen this:
Apr 10 00:36:25 <acsia> http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/9687dfffb684f06d
Apr 10 00:36:57 <jasta> chomchom: what?  wait until when?
Apr 10 00:37:00 <acsia> jasta: number 5
Apr 10 00:37:22 <jasta> you, but he isn't a judge ;)
Apr 10 00:37:33 <chomchom> yeah I'll say
Apr 10 00:37:35 <jasta> also, he's kind of a strange fellow, so i don't think he's much like the judges even :)
Apr 10 00:37:36 <chomchom> drum roll ...
Apr 10 00:37:47 <chomchom> I'm making an app called
Apr 10 00:37:52 <chomchom> Running Buddy
Apr 10 00:38:04 <chomchom> can you guess what it does?
Apr 10 00:38:27 <romainguy___> it makes your cell phone run?
Apr 10 00:38:34 <jjt001> chomchom: i'm getting an error saying ResultSet has already been closed
Apr 10 00:38:37 <jjt001> when it hasn't
Apr 10 00:38:38 <jasta> chomchom: tracks battery life? :)
Apr 10 00:39:02 <chomchom> Its a jogging application :)
Apr 10 00:39:15 <jjt001> chomchom: I have no calls to close on a resultSet in my code
Apr 10 00:39:18 <acsia> that tracks your jog?
Apr 10 00:39:22 <chomchom> yeah
Apr 10 00:39:22 <jjt001> chomchom: any idea?
Apr 10 00:39:33 <chomchom> jjt001: no idea sorry
Apr 10 00:39:51 <jjt001> anyone else here use mysql and jdbc>
Apr 10 00:39:53 <acsia> jjt001: is it a cursor? then you might have the activity closing it
Apr 10 00:39:55 <chomchom> jjt001: the thread you sent was the thread about the winner predictions
Apr 10 00:40:15 <jjt001> chomchom: i didn't send any thread_
Apr 10 00:40:26 <acsia> it was me
Apr 10 00:40:26 <jjt001> that was acisa
Apr 10 00:40:31 <chomchom> oh yeah sorry :)
Apr 10 00:40:43 <acsia> jasta: I was talking about this one http://www.pocketjourney.com/androidVideo.do
Apr 10 00:40:47 <jjt001> acisa: it has nothing to do with android
Apr 10 00:40:55 <jjt001> it's basically a server for an android app
Apr 10 00:40:59 <acsia> so why are you asking in this channel :)
Apr 10 00:41:05 <chomchom> Yeah, Running Buddy is a jogging application to help joggers share times with their running buddys
Apr 10 00:41:17 <jjt001> acisa: nobody in mysql knew the answer
Apr 10 00:41:51 <chomchom> Its not incredibly innovative but my girlfriend jogs and would like something like this so she can boast about her times and show where shes ran :)
Apr 10 00:41:53 <acsia> sorry I am not knowledgable along those lines
Apr 10 00:42:16 <romainguy___> anybody from Vending machine here?
Apr 10 00:42:20 <acsia> chomchom: you could integrate it into my app
Apr 10 00:42:24 <chomchom> Theres a great number of people in the world with legs after all
Apr 10 00:42:25 <acsia> coca cola?
Apr 10 00:42:50 <romainguy___> acsia: no, the application to download android apps
Apr 10 00:42:59 <romainguy___> I don't remember the name or the name of the company
Apr 10 00:43:03 <romainguy___> they recently announced a v2
Apr 10 00:43:52 <chomchom> wI take it you are making some sort of healthy app acsia?
Apr 10 00:44:32 <acsia> chomchom: not really, I am doing a pluggable container for geo located data
Apr 10 00:44:37 <jasta> acsia: oh, that app looks neat
Apr 10 00:44:40 <acsia> non intrusif
Apr 10 00:45:13 <acsia> so you define a meta data with your overlay, implement a single interface and if it is within a certain area it displays within my app
Apr 10 00:45:38 <chomchom> Sounds interesting
Apr 10 00:46:00 <acsia> so you can have several application doing their own location gathering and have one place where you have 'all' your location based data
Apr 10 00:46:10 <jasta> i am irritated that ihavent been able to get this stupid feature working for days, so i haven't recorded a video of my app yet
Apr 10 00:46:42 <jasta> fuck it, i'll just hack it and not design it correctly just to have something :)
Apr 10 00:47:05 <acsia> I am having a lot of similar thought lately ;)
Apr 10 00:47:59 <chomchom> acsia: well after the hand in I'll integrate it even if it's just on anothe rbranch
Apr 10 00:48:36 <acsia> sure that would be really cool...I just have my simple app for the tests and would like to try with some others...
Apr 10 00:48:47 <jjt001> anyone know of any java-related irc channels
Apr 10 00:48:47 <acsia> I ll set it up on topophilia.mobi
Apr 10 00:48:50 <jjt001> ??
Apr 10 00:48:52 <acsia> topophilia -> love of place
Apr 10 00:49:57 <jjt001> acsia: you
Apr 10 00:50:05 <jjt001> acsia: know of any java channels
Apr 10 00:50:37 <acsia> not really sorry
Apr 10 00:53:38 <acsia> is it possible to get the scheme from the providerInfo?
Apr 10 00:53:44 <acsia> or Uri
Apr 10 00:54:14 <acsia> I would expect so but from the doc it does not look like it
Apr 10 01:00:27 <Kraln> what's the deal with android:weight? I can't seem to use it though it's referenced in the documentation
Apr 10 01:00:38 <romainguy___> what do you want to do?
Apr 10 01:01:21 <Kraln> well, I have this textbox which had a height set to "fill_parent", but it kept getting bigger than the screen, so looking at the documentation it recommends setting width and height to zero and assigning a weight
Apr 10 01:01:36 <romainguy___> yes, inside LinearLayout
Apr 10 01:01:46 <Kraln> ah, so that doesn't work in a relative layout?
Apr 10 01:02:11 <romainguy___> nope
Apr 10 01:02:29 <Kraln> hmm. any idea why adding text to a textbox would cause it to grow in height past "fill_parent" ?
Apr 10 01:02:42 <Kraln> it's seriously running off the screen
Apr 10 01:02:56 <romainguy___> is the textview wrap_content or fill_parent?
Apr 10 01:03:19 <jjt001> romainguy___: do know how i can register for the ##java channel on freenode
Apr 10 01:03:25 <romainguy___> no idea
Apr 10 01:03:31 <jjt001> romainguy___: ok
Apr 10 01:04:08 <Kraln> romainguy: it's fill_parent
Apr 10 01:07:03 <Kraln> romainguy: http://androidchat.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/androidchat/res/layout/chat.xml
Apr 10 01:09:06 <romainguy___> android:layout_height="wrap_content"
Apr 10 01:09:12 <romainguy___> that's wrap_content, not fill_parent
Apr 10 01:10:23 <Kraln> oh, I was just messing with it. it's fill_parent, I swear.
Apr 10 01:10:36 <Kraln> er, yeah.
Apr 10 01:10:40 <Kraln> the textbox "ircdisp"
Apr 10 01:10:42 <Kraln> not the edit.
Apr 10 01:10:44 <Kraln> it looks like, uh
Apr 10 01:11:06 * Kraln takes a picture
Apr 10 01:13:15 <Kraln> http://i26.tinypic.com/rtksg2.png
Apr 10 01:15:59 <Kraln> as you can see, the textview with the channel text has mysteriously migrated northwords
Apr 10 01:16:11 <Kraln> (testing... is supposed to be at the bottom)
Apr 10 01:16:18 <acsia> Kraln: I can see that you are a family guy fan
Apr 10 01:16:50 <romainguy___> Kraln: there's just not enough room to display your text so the textview scrolls it upwards
Apr 10 01:17:00 <romainguy___> nothing crazy here
Apr 10 01:17:09 <michaelnovakjr> what is this business about the affidavit of eligibility.
Apr 10 01:17:11 <Kraln> scrolling upwards is fine
Apr 10 01:17:18 <Kraln> but what's with the blank space at the bottom?
Apr 10 01:17:31 <romainguy___> a line return?
Apr 10 01:17:35 <Kraln> nope.
Apr 10 01:17:45 <Kraln> no line returns.  also,  android:gravity="bottom"
Apr 10 01:18:14 <acsia> why is it that the background disappear after selecting in a listview
Apr 10 01:18:25 <acsia> can I keep it?
Apr 10 01:18:31 <acsia> or grid view
Apr 10 01:18:47 <Kraln> also, I cannot seem to activate the ircdisp textview so I can scroll it
Apr 10 01:19:12 <chomchom> ok, Im offskie. Going to take a break for two days until l the last big push. Good luck guys.
Apr 10 01:19:27 <acsia> cherio, good luck to you to
Apr 10 01:24:39 <acsia> in an abstract class is it possible to define 2 abstract methods and force at least one method to be implemented?
Apr 10 01:25:53 <romainguy___> sure
Apr 10 01:25:58 <romainguy___> make one method abstract :)
Apr 10 01:26:05 <romainguy___> abstract methods must be implemented
Apr 10 01:26:22 <romainguy___> but in an abstract class you can have non abstract methods
Apr 10 01:26:25 <romainguy___> these can be overriden
Apr 10 01:27:00 <Kraln> romainguy: this is behaving seriously weird.
Apr 10 01:27:12 <Kraln> it's almost like it's ignoring the gravity.
Apr 10 01:27:15 <acsia> let say I ahve onCreate(Uri uri) and onCreate(Uri uri, Drawable d)
Apr 10 01:27:20 <Kraln> can I post an APK? You really have to see this.
Apr 10 01:27:27 <romainguy___> I can't run your .apk
Apr 10 01:27:28 <acsia> can I force at least one to be implemented?
Apr 10 01:27:43 <romainguy___> acsia: yes, make it abstract
Apr 10 01:28:02 <acsia> but if I put both abstract then they will need to have both of them implemented?
Apr 10 01:28:09 <romainguy___> yes
Apr 10 01:28:10 <Kraln> hmm
Apr 10 01:28:18 <Kraln> romainguy: any way I can demonstrate what is going on?
Apr 10 01:28:40 <romainguy___> Kraln: you should put android:background="#FFFF0000" on your TextView
Apr 10 01:28:46 <romainguy___> at least you would see if it has the right dimension
Apr 10 01:30:03 <Kraln> okay. I'll do that and post a video
Apr 10 01:31:00 <michaelnovakjr> what is the best way to handle a table not found issue and create the table?
Apr 10 01:34:57 <acsia> michaelnovakjr: db you mean?
Apr 10 01:36:42 <michaelnovakjr> haha, i actually already have the code in there, my emulator was being cranky
Apr 10 01:37:22 <Kraln> romainguy: http://www.kraln.com/issue.swf
Apr 10 01:40:13 <romainguy___> aahh
Apr 10 01:40:14 <romainguy___> the EditText
Apr 10 01:40:17 <romainguy___> that's what I said
Apr 10 01:40:22 <romainguy___> it's wrap_content
Apr 10 01:40:26 <romainguy___> you need to make it singleLine
Apr 10 01:40:29 <romainguy___> or horizontaly scrolling
Apr 10 01:41:14 <Kraln> no no, not the edit text
Apr 10 01:41:20 <Kraln> the thing below it is messed up
Apr 10 01:41:22 <Kraln> the big red thing =p
Apr 10 01:41:42 <Kraln> I don't mind if the edit text resizes itself, it's the main chat display moving off the screen that is so troubling
Apr 10 01:41:53 <romainguy___> because of the edit text...
Apr 10 01:42:20 <romainguy___> you wrote: android:layout_below="@+id/ircedit"
Apr 10 01:42:33 <romainguy___> that means the TextView should always stick to the EditText's bottom edge
Apr 10 01:42:42 <romainguy___> if the EditText grows, as in your video, the TextView is resized...
Apr 10 01:42:59 <acsia> bed time
Apr 10 01:44:55 <Kraln> it's not resized, though
Apr 10 01:45:01 <Kraln> it's being pushed off the bottom of the screen
Apr 10 01:45:18 <romainguy___> ***because of the EditText***
Apr 10 01:45:21 <Kraln> or something weird, because the text in the text view is supposed to be 'glued' to the bottom of the textview
Apr 10 01:46:06 <Kraln> okay, new example.
Apr 10 01:48:47 <jerkface03> romainguy__: any idea if you guys are plannign to showcase any of the winning submissions after the 14th?
Apr 10 01:48:53 <jerkface03> romainguy__: or even any of the submissions at all?
Apr 10 01:49:04 <romainguy___> any diea
Apr 10 01:49:05 <romainguy___> idea
Apr 10 01:49:12 <jerkface03> or is it all going to be on the hush hush?
Apr 10 01:50:33 <Kraln> www.kraln.com/issue2.swf - also, I appreciate the help =)
Apr 10 01:57:58 <Kraln> romainguy: the only reason I'm sure it's not spurrious newlines is because I just added a character to every 'line' that gets added to the textview, and there's simply nothing past the last line
Apr 10 02:03:38 <Kraln> romainguy: this is how the textview is being updated
Apr 10 02:03:39 <Kraln> http://rafb.net/p/7MixPW22.html
Apr 10 02:05:57 <Kraln> results in-> http://www.kraln.com/issue3.swf
Apr 10 02:07:15 <Kraln> any ideas, anyone?
Apr 10 02:21:25 <michaelnovakjr> why do Nodes only read to new line when you call the getNodeValue method
Apr 10 02:21:28 <michaelnovakjr> that is a real pain
Apr 10 02:38:13 <zhobbs> who's doing the severe weather application?
Apr 10 02:38:33 <michaelnovakjr> me :)
Apr 10 02:38:35 <zhobbs> http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/09/technology/fcc_cell_phone_alert/index.htm?section=money_latest
Apr 10 02:38:37 <michaelnovakjr> got bad news for me?
Apr 10 02:38:46 <zhobbs> good news I guess
Apr 10 02:39:56 <michaelnovakjr> only bad thing is text based messages aren't all that reliable
Apr 10 02:40:07 <Kraln> morrildl: http://www.kraln.com/issue3.swf <- any ideas? =/
Apr 10 02:40:16 <michaelnovakjr> just this morning i got a txt message from a week ago
Apr 10 02:51:14 <zhobbs> when using TabActivity, should tabs be able to do things like this.getParent().setTitle("blah") ?
Apr 10 02:54:29 <Kraln> I can't seem to scroll that textview, either
Apr 10 02:54:48 <romainguy___> put it in a scrollview
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