**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 10 02:59:56 2008
Apr 10 03:08:41 <zhobbs> getParent().setTitle isn't working....
Apr 10 03:11:55 <zhobbs> Oh wait, it does work...I'm dumb
Apr 10 03:12:37 <michaelnovakjr> we all have those kinds of moments
Apr 10 03:14:17 <Kraln> meh. I only hope I can get a resolution by sunday. http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=628
Apr 10 03:14:33 <zhobbs> hehe, good luck with that
Apr 10 03:24:28 <Kraln> zhobbs: it didn't use to break, but the new sdk broke it. lol
Apr 10 03:40:58 <michaelnovakjr> can a non UI thread redraw the layout?
Apr 10 03:41:55 <zhobbs> don't think so
Apr 10 03:42:16 <michaelnovakjr> hmmm.... after calling StartService... is there a way to tell when its done?
Apr 10 03:42:28 <zhobbs> if you bind to it
Apr 10 03:47:03 <raidfive> if anyone is interested in a free pass to the InnoTech 2008 conference in Portland, OR pm me ... have a few remaining to give away
Apr 10 03:47:40 <zhobbs> is there a way to repeat a background for a View (horizontally in this case)?
Apr 10 03:48:04 <zhobbs> or do I have to make it 9 patch
Apr 10 03:55:25 <romainguy___> zhobbs: you can use a tile shader
Apr 10 03:55:46 <zhobbs> romainguy___: can you do that in XML?
Apr 10 03:56:57 <romainguy___> no
Apr 10 03:57:13 <zhobbs> I'll just do 9-patch
Apr 10 03:57:53 <romainguy___> a 9 patch won't repeat
Apr 10 03:57:56 <romainguy___> it will stretch
Apr 10 03:58:12 <zhobbs> oh yeah...for this image I think that's the same
Apr 10 03:58:17 <zhobbs> maybe not
Apr 10 03:58:51 <zhobbs> it's just like a vertical gradient
Apr 10 04:27:14 <muthu> i'm getting a feeling
Apr 10 04:27:24 <michaelnovakjr> gas?
Apr 10 04:27:41 <muthu> if i work hard for the next 4 days, i might have a chance
Apr 10 04:28:09 <muthu> but twitter is keeping me busy :-D
Apr 10 04:28:17 <muthu> damn, its so addictive
Apr 10 04:28:39 <muthu> anyone 100% sure, they win
Apr 10 04:28:43 <muthu> ?
Apr 10 04:28:48 <jasta> just spent an hour in the Apple store
Apr 10 04:28:50 <jasta> i have lots of idea :)
Apr 10 04:29:01 <jasta> muthu: no one is 100% sure, but some people are 100% arrogant :)
Apr 10 04:29:07 <muthu> lol
Apr 10 04:29:16 <muthu> some, may be
Apr 10 04:29:20 <muthu> but not everyone
Apr 10 04:29:27 <muthu> a few submissions are real cool
Apr 10 04:29:30 <zhobbs> I'm not very confident....I wish I would have had time to do an app for myself
Apr 10 04:29:30 <jasta> well, 100% arrogant is probably rare to come by :)
Apr 10 04:29:56 <jasta> muthu: a lot of the submissions i have seen are not that exciting actually
Apr 10 04:29:58 <muthu> hobbs: why, you are doing 2?
Apr 10 04:30:14 <muthu> jasta: it needs to evolve
Apr 10 04:30:23 <muthu> for phase 1 i wouldn't expect much
Apr 10 04:30:26 <zhobbs> muthu: yeah, but it's contract work...I have to do what they want even if it sucks
Apr 10 04:30:38 <muthu> does it suck?
Apr 10 04:30:47 <zhobbs> not too bad :)
Apr 10 04:30:48 <muthu> atleast 1 out of 2 might be good
Apr 10 04:31:03 <muthu> my cooking show rocks!
Apr 10 04:31:20 <zhobbs> there's advantages of course, like they have designers and they pay
Apr 10 04:31:29 <muthu> hope the google chef judges my app yeehaaaw!
Apr 10 04:31:59 <muthu> yeah, collaboration can do wonders
Apr 10 04:33:35 <michaelnovakjr> how do you put an image with a menu item?
Apr 10 04:34:19 <muthu> you send the image as an argument
Apr 10 04:34:39 <jasta> i am really excited after scoping out an iPod :)
Apr 10 04:34:42 <jasta> i'd never used an iPod touch before hehe
Apr 10 04:34:59 <jasta> it helped me figure out two big UI problems, and get a clear direction of how i want to proceed :)
Apr 10 04:35:10 <zhobbs> I just bought an iPod classic a couple days ago...they've come a long way since my 2g ipod
Apr 10 04:35:29 <muthu> i'm waiting for android.. that's my next phone
Apr 10 04:35:54 <zhobbs> muthu: me too
Apr 10 04:36:18 <zhobbs> can't wait...hope I don't have to get on with some crappy provider
Apr 10 04:36:45 <zhobbs> I'd probably just wait for unlock if possible (sprint,t-mobile phones don't have sim cards right?)
Apr 10 04:38:45 <muthu> good, we can use our phones in india with any provider
Apr 10 04:39:09 <muthu> only the provider sucks, the broadband plans are so expensive
Apr 10 04:39:29 <muthu> need to check, when android comes out.. currently i'm not even bothered
Apr 10 04:54:20 <muthu> i love this name
Apr 10 04:54:24 <muthu> frucall
Apr 10 06:17:53 <Kraln> guh
Apr 10 06:17:58 <Kraln> this is beyond me why this is doing this.
Apr 10 06:18:06 <jasta> why what is doing what?
Apr 10 06:18:17 <Kraln> the textview is not behaving!
Apr 10 06:18:27 <Kraln> not even remotely to what it's supposed to
Apr 10 06:18:51 <jasta> what is it doing?
Apr 10 06:20:16 <Kraln> ignoring gravity
Apr 10 06:20:57 <jasta> try setting baselineAligned="false" in the wrapping linearlayout
Apr 10 06:22:16 <davidw> 'morning
Apr 10 06:22:27 <Kraln> nope., still being stupid
Apr 10 06:22:31 <Kraln> want to see the .apk?
Apr 10 06:22:35 <jasta> not realy
Apr 10 06:23:00 <Kraln> will you because I wvu?
Apr 10 06:23:21 <Kraln> I am absolutely at wits end
Apr 10 06:23:36 <jasta> im sorry, im busy
Apr 10 06:23:59 <Kraln> :/
Apr 10 06:25:29 <muthu> krain: it must be the parent layouts
Apr 10 06:25:55 <muthu> if one of your view is not working as expected, make sure the parent attributes are set correctly
Apr 10 06:26:32 <Kraln> I tried switching to a linearlayout from a relative one
Apr 10 06:26:38 <Kraln> I think I'm going to try making it a tablelayout
Apr 10 06:27:01 <muthu> relative should be good
Apr 10 06:27:10 <Kraln> http://rafb.net/p/eyHTnB43.html
Apr 10 06:27:14 <Kraln> doesn't get much simpler than this...
Apr 10 06:27:20 <muthu> let me see
Apr 10 06:28:19 <zhobbs> you probably want android:layout_gravity on that TextView
Apr 10 06:28:22 <muthu> baselinealigned
Apr 10 06:28:27 <muthu> need the namespace
Apr 10 06:28:52 <Kraln> zhobbs: probably, but it's being set in code too...
Apr 10 06:29:17 <muthu>             android:baselineAligned="false"
Apr 10 06:29:38 <muthu> gravity is fine
Apr 10 06:29:57 <Kraln> it behaves until there are more lines than the textbox is big
Apr 10 06:30:03 <Kraln> it properly creates the scrollbar
Apr 10 06:30:13 <Kraln> but then for each line that it is bigger, there's a blank line at the bottom
Apr 10 06:31:16 <zhobbs> you want the text to be at the bottom right?
Apr 10 06:31:19 <Kraln> yes
Apr 10 06:31:33 <Kraln> also, I can't focus the textview to scroll it for some reason
Apr 10 06:32:52 <zhobbs> I thought it had to be in a scrollview
Apr 10 06:33:22 <Kraln> huh?
Apr 10 06:33:30 <Kraln> the scroll bars and everything show up...
Apr 10 06:33:51 <zhobbs> romain said they need to be in a scrollview
Apr 10 06:33:57 <Kraln> http://www.kraln.com/issue4.swf <-
Apr 10 06:34:14 <Kraln> watch and you'll see exactly what I mean
Apr 10 06:37:54 <zhobbs> strange
Apr 10 06:43:23 <muthu> krain: you should use relative layout
Apr 10 06:43:36 <Kraln> that video *is* relative layout
Apr 10 06:43:42 <muthu> what?
Apr 10 06:43:55 <muthu> when you position the textview below editview
Apr 10 06:44:14 <muthu> set the positioning
Apr 10 06:44:23 <Kraln> that's exactly what I did
Apr 10 06:44:42 <muthu> your pastebin doesn't show that
Apr 10 06:44:55 <Kraln> that's what I just recently tried
Apr 10 06:45:04 <Kraln> video was taken when it was still relative
Apr 10 06:47:38 <Kraln> like, even if I set the textview to a very small height, it still does that
Apr 10 06:54:37 <rohan> i want to set a ContentView for my class which extends ImageView
Apr 10 06:54:44 <rohan> how can i do it
Apr 10 06:54:56 <rohan> can anybody help me
Apr 10 06:55:18 <jasta> a ContentView?
Apr 10 06:55:39 <jasta> what is that?
Apr 10 06:58:17 <Kraln> it seems that if I put it in a scrollview it gets almost what I want
Apr 10 06:58:23 <Kraln> how do I disable the silly shading in the scrollview?
Apr 10 06:59:54 <rohan> jasta r u there
Apr 10 07:00:04 <rohan> i want to set a view
Apr 10 07:00:11 <rohan> for my application
Apr 10 07:00:29 <rohan> jasta r u there?
Apr 10 07:00:59 <rohan> oh
Apr 10 07:03:08 <Kraln> quite honestly it looks like textview is beyond broken
Apr 10 07:05:52 <zhobbs> rohan: what are you trying to do?
Apr 10 07:11:15 <rohan> we usually write setContentView()
Apr 10 07:11:32 <zhobbs> That sets the main view for an Activity
Apr 10 07:11:59 <rohan> that only i'm trying to do
Apr 10 07:12:11 <rohan> but my class extends ImageView
Apr 10 07:12:45 <zhobbs> then you're class doesn't need to do that
Apr 10 07:12:58 <rohan> then
Apr 10 07:13:27 <rohan> for now my class is dysplaying the images i want to display in a slide show
Apr 10 07:13:54 <rohan> i want to add buttons for that slide showw
Apr 10 07:14:02 <jtoy> can someone tell me what is wrong with this aidl interface? import java.util.List; List<Long> getAlarms();
Apr 10 07:14:13 <jtoy> I get an error:  unknown return type List<Long>
Apr 10 07:14:26 <rohan> zhobbs r u there?
Apr 10 07:14:49 <muthu> for a spinner, which event to handle?
Apr 10 07:14:53 <zhobbs> jtoy: I don't think list is Parcelable
Apr 10 07:15:08 <zhobbs> rohan: not sure what the question is
Apr 10 07:15:12 <muthu> need to do some action, after the drop down is selected
Apr 10 07:15:19 <rohan> zhobbs how should i sdd buttons for my slide show
Apr 10 07:15:38 <zhobbs> muthu: don't remember, it's in the tour guide app in the tutorials section on HA
Apr 10 07:15:44 <jtoy> the docs says this: Here are the data types that AIDL can support: List - All elements in the List must be one of the types in this list, including other AIDL-generated interfaces and parcelables. List may optionally be used as a "generic" class (e.g. List<String>). The actual concrete class that the other side will receive will always be an ArrayList, although the method will be generated to use the List interface.
Apr 10 07:15:49 <zhobbs> rohan: ImageButtons or Buttons
Apr 10 07:16:01 <zhobbs> jtoy: ahh, cool
Apr 10 07:16:30 <jtoy> does anyone know what I am doing wrong then?
Apr 10 07:16:33 <rohan> ya but for that i need to specify findViewById()
Apr 10 07:16:38 <rohan> for that buttons
Apr 10 07:16:39 <zhobbs> jtoy: I remember a bug on that
Apr 10 07:16:47 <zhobbs> rohan: the id of the button?
Apr 10 07:17:01 <rohan> ya but it is in xml file
Apr 10 07:17:16 <rohan> how to refer to that xml file then?
Apr 10 07:18:29 <jtoy> hmm, changin it to jsut  Long getAlarm(); fails saying unknown return type Long
Apr 10 07:18:39 <zhobbs> oh yeah, it's long
Apr 10 07:18:46 <jtoy> isn't Long imported by default?
Apr 10 07:18:55 <zhobbs> use long instead of Long
Apr 10 07:19:07 <rohan> zhobbs can u help me
Apr 10 07:19:17 <rohan> how to refer to the xml file
Apr 10 07:19:26 <rohan> to find the button id
Apr 10 07:19:35 <jtoy> zhobbs: I had tried that, but then I got another error saying in code saying that I cant make lists with primitaves, is that true?
Apr 10 07:19:39 <zhobbs> what is the xml file?  The layout for the activity?
Apr 10 07:19:52 <zhobbs> jtoy: Ahh, didn't know that either
Apr 10 07:20:08 <rohan> ya
Apr 10 07:20:13 <rohan> the layout
Apr 10 07:20:28 <zhobbs> maybe aidl doesn't recognize the Long class
Apr 10 07:20:42 <jtoy> i think so anyway, the exact error is: found   : long  required: reference
Apr 10 07:20:55 <zhobbs> rohan: so just do findViewById(int id) in your activity
Apr 10 07:21:16 <rohan> but my class extends ImageView
Apr 10 07:21:37 <rohan> how to set the ContentView in that
Apr 10 07:21:42 <zhobbs> you don't
Apr 10 07:21:51 <rohan> then
Apr 10 07:22:02 <zhobbs> imageview can't have children
Apr 10 07:22:06 <rohan> ok
Apr 10 07:22:10 <rohan> then what shall i do
Apr 10 07:22:23 <rohan> ok
Apr 10 07:22:32 <rohan> can i just mail u my code
Apr 10 07:22:40 <zhobbs> sorry, don't have time
Apr 10 07:22:45 <rohan> ok
Apr 10 07:22:45 <zhobbs> maybe I could take a look next week
Apr 10 07:22:53 <rohan> then just tell what shall i do
Apr 10 07:23:21 <zhobbs> read the docs, go through some tutorials
Apr 10 07:23:26 <rohan> ok
Apr 10 07:23:34 <rohan> one more ques
Apr 10 07:23:57 <rohan> how can i access any file on my computer for my application
Apr 10 07:24:23 <zhobbs> you can't...you can include files in your package is the assets folder and access them thatway
Apr 10 07:24:39 <rohan> ok
Apr 10 07:24:45 <zhobbs> s/ is / in /
Apr 10 07:24:46 <infobot> zhobbs meant: you can't...you can include files in your package in the assets folder and access them thatway
Apr 10 07:25:17 <rohan> ok
Apr 10 07:25:44 <rohan> so my application needs some photos from my computer
Apr 10 07:25:57 <zhobbs> res/drawable would be the best place for those
Apr 10 07:26:09 <rohan> no i have done that
Apr 10 07:26:52 <rohan> but my application downloads photos from the server ,so at that time where to store those photos and how?
Apr 10 07:28:04 <Kraln> ugh
Apr 10 07:28:08 <Kraln> I've got an ugly hack working
Apr 10 07:28:18 <Kraln> pisses me off that I have to resort to this when it worked like it should have in previous releases
Apr 10 07:28:24 <rohan> infobot:can u tell me
Apr 10 07:29:03 <rohan> but my application downloads photos from the server ,so at that time where to store those photos and how?
Apr 10 07:29:20 <zhobbs> rohan: did you look at the docs?
Apr 10 07:29:39 <zhobbs> there are some functions to access the filesystem in the ApplicationContext class
Apr 10 07:30:14 <rohan> ok so i need to look at storing and retrevial of data
Apr 10 07:55:09 <jtoy> im having a hard time, can anyone show me how to ahve a list of Long or any object returned in an aidl file?
Apr 10 07:56:31 <jasta> List foo(); // don't use generics
Apr 10 08:01:41 <jtoy> im still learning java, does that mean use primitives?
Apr 10 08:02:14 <jasta> no, primitves are types like int and long; those that do not instantiate from classes.
Apr 10 08:02:40 <jasta> generics are a new feature in 1.5 that allow you to specify the type contained within generalized classes, like List<String>
Apr 10 08:03:26 <jasta> Android supports this through AIDL, however, it does not correctly support generics when used with the promoted object primitives (Long, Integer, etc)
Apr 10 08:03:45 <jasta> so List<Long> is not legal for that reason.  Use List instead; this is the old, non-generics approach.
Apr 10 08:04:29 <jasta> It lacks type-safety, but that is irrelevant here.
Apr 10 08:06:05 <jtoy> ok, that seems to work
Apr 10 08:06:41 <jasta> now, you will be required to perform a cast when accessing the list.  This is the evil that was avoided with generics, but in this case you can't use them.
Apr 10 08:07:47 <jtoy> how do I cast a list?
Apr 10 08:08:12 <jasta> i meant when accessing elements contained within it, such as with list.get
Apr 10 08:08:12 <jtoy> if I am using Long everywhere, I still need to cast it?
Apr 10 08:08:21 <jasta> but you'll know that a cast is required, because your code will refuse to compile without.
Apr 10 08:08:30 <jtoy> ok, cool
Apr 10 08:08:38 <jasta> jtoy: You should really take some time out to learn Java before you work too much on Android :)
Apr 10 08:08:57 <jtoy> jasta:  true, i did write a couple of crappy apps already though :)
Apr 10 08:11:39 <jtoy> can you do any metaprogramming in java?
Apr 10 08:11:46 <jasta> how do you mean?
Apr 10 08:11:46 <jtoy> seems like not really
Apr 10 08:11:58 <jtoy> unless with scala/jruby/groovy
Apr 10 08:12:08 <jasta> that depends what you mean
Apr 10 08:12:27 <jasta> oh, that ;)
Apr 10 08:12:44 <jtoy> for  example object.eval ('method_name')        or if class.name == 'Blah'  run this method
Apr 10 08:13:08 <muthu> jtoy: java has reflection
Apr 10 08:13:13 <muthu> dynamic proxies
Apr 10 08:13:16 <muthu> aop et al
Apr 10 08:13:22 <jasta> Java has a concept called Reflection that offers inspection of class meta data.
Apr 10 08:14:00 <jasta> However, a wise programmer would avoid its usage where possible.
Apr 10 08:14:11 <mickrobk> jtoy: watch out though, reflection, especially in a non-JITed (like Dalvik) is slow as fuck
Apr 10 08:14:18 <jasta> It's clumsy to abuse, and has performance concerns.
Apr 10 08:14:30 <jtoy> right, i do avoid it where possible, but repeating writing repetitive code sucks
Apr 10 08:14:34 <muthu> jasta: which event to handle in a spinner, to do an action after the item is selected?
Apr 10 08:14:41 <muthu> any ideas?
Apr 10 08:14:48 <jasta> dunno, never looked at that class
Apr 10 08:14:53 <muthu> zhobbs: you said something about it?
Apr 10 08:15:07 <muthu> oh ok tour guide app
Apr 10 08:15:12 <muthu> let me look at it in HA
Apr 10 08:15:13 <jtoy> this question is unrelated, but can you pull data from sqlite3 without passing a context around?
Apr 10 08:15:40 <duey> avoid reflection on android at least..
Apr 10 08:15:46 <duey> it has some cool uses
Apr 10 08:16:01 <mickrobk> jtoy: you might have a look at AspectJ
Apr 10 08:16:23 <jtoy> as in not do contextInstance.openDatabase ?
Apr 10 08:16:32 <mickrobk> theres a few other code generators, or u can use another language that targets the JVM
Apr 10 08:17:44 <jtoy> I would like to use scala on android, but currently the binaries are too big
Apr 10 08:20:36 <jasta> alright, time to retire for the night
Apr 10 08:20:44 <jasta> got a *LOT* done :)
Apr 10 08:20:47 <jasta> my app is starting to look really sexy now
Apr 10 08:20:52 <muthu> wow
Apr 10 08:20:59 <muthu> cool
Apr 10 08:21:02 <muthu> good night jasta
Apr 10 08:21:33 <muthu> you are working hard lately
Apr 10 08:23:07 <jasta> yes, well, i'm doing UI stuff now and that is not my strong suit
Apr 10 08:23:27 <jasta> the first month and a half of the challenge i had only one Activity in my app with just a few text labels and a button
Apr 10 08:23:52 <jasta> the sync engine was tricky to get righ t;)
Apr 10 08:26:54 <jtoy> i have a sync engine too!
Apr 10 08:26:56 <jtoy> but mine sucks
Apr 10 08:28:43 <davidw> ui stuff is the bane of my existence
Apr 10 08:30:17 <muthu> UI sucks - +1.
Apr 10 08:31:06 <davidw> when I'm in charge, users will be required to learn to use command line stuff
Apr 10 08:31:47 <davidw> that would be cool... replace the built in stuff in android with a command line system:-)
Apr 10 08:32:09 <davidw> 'mutt' for sms's
Apr 10 08:32:16 <muthu> david: command line in mobile would be insane
Apr 10 08:33:28 <davidw> muthu, well, I don't mean seriously, but as a 'cool hack'
Apr 10 08:33:42 <muthu> yeah i know
Apr 10 08:33:50 <muthu> for hackers
Apr 10 08:33:55 <muthu> it would be cool.
Apr 10 08:34:05 <zhobbs> bluetooth keyboard would help
Apr 10 08:34:25 <zhobbs> but, most command line on the phone will probably be via ssh
Apr 10 08:35:41 <jtoy> what is the difference between local and remote service binding?
Apr 10 09:05:43 <acsia> morning
Apr 10 09:08:10 <muthu> afternoon
Apr 10 09:08:41 <muthu> in chennai
Apr 10 09:08:49 <muthu> acsia: where you from?
Apr 10 09:09:00 <acsia> uk
Apr 10 09:09:30 <muthu> cool
Apr 10 09:09:40 <muthu> how's the weather?
Apr 10 09:09:42 <acsia> well it is raining all the time
Apr 10 09:09:47 <acsia> today actually is very nice
Apr 10 09:09:52 <muthu> great
Apr 10 09:09:56 <acsia> I am not british, I ve been living here for 3 years now
Apr 10 09:10:06 <muthu> then where you from?
Apr 10 09:10:10 <acsia> I am from the south of France
Apr 10 09:10:15 <muthu> ok
Apr 10 09:10:28 <acsia> how bout chennai, how s the weather there?
Apr 10 09:10:38 <muthu> its always hot
Apr 10 09:10:46 <acsia> :)
Apr 10 09:10:51 <muthu> but weird weather conditions these days
Apr 10 09:10:54 <acsia> I would need that after the challenge finishes
Apr 10 09:11:06 <muthu> me too
Apr 10 09:11:13 <muthu> i'm going somewhere cooler ;)
Apr 10 09:11:34 <acsia> we could exchange apartment for a week or so :)
Apr 10 09:11:39 <muthu> lol
Apr 10 09:11:44 <muthu> i had the same thought
Apr 10 09:11:56 <muthu> wow, human brains are the same i guess
Apr 10 09:12:58 <davidw> delicious braaaaaiiinsss
Apr 10 09:13:22 <davidw> south of france sounds nice
Apr 10 09:14:02 <muthu> david i know you are in france
Apr 10 09:15:37 <acsia> south of france is the best
Apr 10 09:15:42 <acsia> especially Antibes
Apr 10 09:15:53 <acsia> or Juan les pins
Apr 10 09:16:06 <acsia> but not for now... it s for when you are old or something
Apr 10 09:16:17 <acsia> you don t want to do anything, just take it easy
Apr 10 09:16:49 <muthu> oh the retirement town
Apr 10 09:16:54 <muthu> i want to visit france
Apr 10 09:16:59 <muthu> in my travel agenda
Apr 10 09:17:25 <acsia> I am not french myself but was born and lived there most of my life
Apr 10 09:17:35 <acsia> orginially I am half swedish and half maroccan
Apr 10 09:17:35 <davidw> ah, where're you from?
Apr 10 09:17:49 <acsia> but I feel French more then anything
Apr 10 09:17:53 <davidw> muthu, I'm in Innsbruck actually
Apr 10 09:18:09 <acsia> you know, I smell of garlic, I am arrogant etc...
Apr 10 09:18:40 <muthu> lol
Apr 10 09:19:07 <muthu> the beauty of culture
Apr 10 09:19:11 <acsia> davidw: how's Ilenia? :)
Apr 10 09:19:16 <davidw> fine
Apr 10 09:19:26 <acsia> I landed on your page
Apr 10 09:19:29 <muthu> is there anything like "open culture"
Apr 10 09:19:45 <muthu> david: you feel, you'll win?
Apr 10 09:19:49 <muthu> acsia: same question/
Apr 10 09:20:13 <zhobbs> muthu: you going to win?
Apr 10 09:20:17 <muthu> yes.
Apr 10 09:20:23 <zhobbs> nice
Apr 10 09:20:30 <muthu> ah that's the arrogance ;)
Apr 10 09:20:47 <muthu> as i said, mine is a cooking app
Apr 10 09:20:52 <muthu> very simple, but useful
Apr 10 09:20:56 <acsia> I might have a chance if I show off a bit
Apr 10 09:21:08 <davidw> who knows, I think they'll either like the idea a lot or dislike it because it's not an end-user app
Apr 10 09:21:19 <muthu> right
Apr 10 09:21:36 <muthu> i would like to think i win
Apr 10 09:21:41 <acsia> what s your plans after the challende?
Apr 10 09:21:53 <muthu> work on my mobile search engine.
Apr 10 09:22:10 <muthu> for the challenge, i'm working with a partner
Apr 10 09:22:17 <muthu> the cooking show is his trademark
Apr 10 09:22:33 <muthu> i went for collaboration for ADC
Apr 10 09:22:43 <muthu> if it adds any value.. i was always looking for some team
Apr 10 09:22:54 <zhobbs> muthu: you going to release the app soon?
Apr 10 09:23:04 <muthu> search engine is in june
Apr 10 09:23:05 <acsia> I really want to get into the mobile world
Apr 10 09:23:13 <acsia> this is on my free time
Apr 10 09:23:23 <muthu> we are fully into the mobile world
Apr 10 09:23:44 <muthu> and now there's focus, there's goals
Apr 10 09:23:48 <acsia> I am might try to apply for google :D I saw they are looking for mobile developer in london
Apr 10 09:24:02 <acsia> muthu do you have a link?
Apr 10 09:24:12 <muthu> a lot of people are using ADC as a way of getting into google
Apr 10 09:24:15 <muthu> which is good
Apr 10 09:24:19 <zhobbs> I had a phone interview for a job at YouTube...they called up with an 8 question test
Apr 10 09:24:23 <muthu> http://mobeegal.in
Apr 10 09:24:34 <zhobbs> all CS, algorithm type of questions...I got worked
Apr 10 09:24:37 <muthu> its a 1 page site, which tells you what i said here
Apr 10 09:24:56 <muthu> you selected?
Apr 10 09:24:59 <acsia> nothin much yet
Apr 10 09:25:00 <muthu> zhobbs?
Apr 10 09:25:08 <zhobbs> I just hack code together...my education is in engineering not programming
Apr 10 09:25:16 <muthu> acsia: v1.0 for june
Apr 10 09:25:21 <zhobbs> no, didn't get the job
Apr 10 09:25:39 <acsia> if I can suggest 2 books: programming collective intelligence and beautiful code
Apr 10 09:25:39 <muthu> i've done poor interview over the course of my job career
Apr 10 09:25:52 <acsia> both are very good regarding code as type of poetry
Apr 10 09:26:01 <muthu> between jobs, i tend to lose interest
Apr 10 09:26:04 <zhobbs> I'm getting out of programming, start a new job the 21st
Apr 10 09:26:13 <acsia> in what?
Apr 10 09:26:14 <zhobbs> designing control systems
Apr 10 09:26:26 <zhobbs> so might be some programming, but more hardware
Apr 10 09:26:26 <acsia> zhobbs: where are you located?
Apr 10 09:26:32 <muthu> i'm already out of programming, i just run a company now ;)
Apr 10 09:26:38 <zhobbs> Orlando, FL USA
Apr 10 09:26:40 <muthu> ADC will be last coding adventure
Apr 10 09:26:58 <muthu> zhobbs: why not get into mobile?
Apr 10 09:27:14 <zhobbs> I like hardware
Apr 10 09:27:17 <acsia> zhobbs: I lived in melbourne FL
Apr 10 09:27:22 <muthu> get into mobile hardware..
Apr 10 09:27:26 <acsia> for 2 years
Apr 10 09:27:34 <zhobbs> acsia: that's cool, I'm moving to Cape Canaveral next weekend
Apr 10 09:27:42 <zhobbs> muthu: yeah, that would be cool
Apr 10 09:27:57 <muthu> zhobbs: get into the future
Apr 10 09:28:02 <acsia> zhobbs: I had a uni class at Cape Canaveral building a meteorological balloon
Apr 10 09:28:18 <zhobbs> muthu: this upcoming job is my first engineering job (just graduated in december)...so gotta get some experience
Apr 10 09:28:33 <muthu> man.. you are that young!
Apr 10 09:28:40 <zhobbs> 24
Apr 10 09:28:47 <muthu> lot of maturity, zhobbs
Apr 10 09:28:53 <muthu> you'll do good
Apr 10 09:28:56 <zhobbs> acsia: that's cool, what's your background?
Apr 10 09:29:05 <acsia> CS
Apr 10 09:29:23 <acsia> I studied in Sophia Antipolis in France and did a 2 years exchange at FIT
Apr 10 09:29:31 <muthu> zhobbs: get into what you want early.
Apr 10 09:29:37 <muthu> don't wait.
Apr 10 09:29:51 <zhobbs> muthu: I'm excited about doing control systems
Apr 10 09:29:58 <muthu> cool
Apr 10 09:30:13 <zhobbs> controlling big expensive machinery sounds like fun
Apr 10 09:30:30 <zhobbs> and I think there's a good market for consulting after a while
Apr 10 09:30:31 <muthu> controlling small inexpensive mobile might be more fun :)
Apr 10 09:30:48 <zhobbs> that'd be cool too
Apr 10 09:31:02 <zhobbs> acsia: My friend's dad teaches at FIT
Apr 10 09:31:09 <muthu> zhobbs: if i were you, i'll look at google
Apr 10 09:31:11 <zhobbs> small world
Apr 10 09:31:13 <acsia> what s his name?
Apr 10 09:31:17 <acsia> yes very small
Apr 10 09:31:29 <acsia> I graduated in 2004
Apr 10 09:31:34 <zhobbs> acsia: last name Venuto...not sure his first
Apr 10 09:31:45 <muthu> now i know why i'm not able to compete with you folks
Apr 10 09:31:50 <zhobbs> think he did like enviromental engineering or something
Apr 10 09:31:51 <muthu> all young and fast
Apr 10 09:31:54 <muthu> i'm 36 btw
Apr 10 09:32:09 <acsia> does not ring a bell
Apr 10 09:32:17 <acsia> I am 26 :)
Apr 10 09:32:31 <acsia> I went to the london meetup for android
Apr 10 09:32:38 <muthu> hows't?
Apr 10 09:32:49 <acsia> most people were between 35 and 50
Apr 10 09:32:55 <acsia> well we were 8
Apr 10 09:33:08 <muthu> 35 - 50 is the confused lot
Apr 10 09:33:12 <acsia> haha
Apr 10 09:33:22 <acsia> well none knew anything about android whihc I thought strange
Apr 10 09:33:29 <muthu> yeah, by now we should have made it
Apr 10 09:33:29 <muthu> if not, we attend meetup
Apr 10 09:33:35 <acsia> they were all excited about it
Apr 10 09:33:35 <muthu> lol
Apr 10 09:33:44 <acsia> but did not know anything about it
Apr 10 09:33:51 <zhobbs> I'd like to go to Google I/O
Apr 10 09:34:25 <acsia> me to!
Apr 10 09:34:29 <zhobbs> got an invite from Google, but can't take off work
Apr 10 09:34:33 <acsia> but I am poor  and far away
Apr 10 09:35:19 <zhobbs> yeah that's a long trip
Apr 10 09:35:22 <davidw> yeah, sounds like fun, but not spend a bundle to travel halfway around the world fun
Apr 10 09:35:53 * davidw is starting to think about going back to california....
Apr 10 09:37:54 <muthu> i'm planning for a visit to SF this year
Apr 10 09:38:09 <muthu> if i win, i go for sure
Apr 10 09:40:08 <acsia> do you know the usage of PanelMenu?
Apr 10 09:40:26 <acsia> I am trying to find view demo of differente menus but can't find any
Apr 10 09:40:28 <muthu> panelmenu?
Apr 10 09:40:41 <acsia> well there is a onCreatePanelMenu in the activity
Apr 10 09:40:51 <muthu> i'm using the default menu
Apr 10 09:41:06 <acsia> hum...
Apr 10 09:41:21 <zhobbs> yeah, never heard of the PanelMenu
Apr 10 09:42:06 <acsia> ok I need to pass a menu between objects...
Apr 10 09:42:12 <acsia> I am not sure what type of menu
Apr 10 09:42:41 <acsia> I would need some kind of demo I could check menu against
Apr 10 09:42:56 <acsia> or implement all of them and check the difference :)
Apr 10 09:44:10 <muthu> its in apidemos
Apr 10 09:44:13 <muthu> from the sdk
Apr 10 09:45:42 <davidw> living in europe is much nicer than california
Apr 10 09:45:42 <acsia> where?
Apr 10 09:45:49 <jtoy> can someone explain to me what IRemoteServiceCallback is in the aidl examples?
Apr 10 09:45:50 <davidw> but everything is kind of.... static ...
Apr 10 09:45:50 <acsia> I love europe
Apr 10 09:46:06 <jtoy> it doesnt talk about that anywhere in the docs, its just a class that appears out of nowhere it seems
Apr 10 09:46:24 <zhobbs> jtoy: an example of an asynchronous interface to use with AIDL
Apr 10 09:46:28 <acsia> muthu: I can not see menu demo in the apidemos
Apr 10 09:47:37 <muthu> the menu is part of the notepad
Apr 10 09:47:56 <jtoy> so how do I make that class?  is it something generated from aidl? the docs here dont explain it at all : http://code.google.com/android/reference/aidl.html
Apr 10 09:48:36 <acsia> davidw: if you are looking for a type of silicon valley in Europe, you should check Sophia Antipolis...
Apr 10 09:48:41 <zhobbs> jtoy: take a look at jasta's example: http://devtcg.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html
Apr 10 09:49:03 <acsia> it s on the french riviera, has nearly all high tech companies, helps startups etc... biggest technopole in europe
Apr 10 09:49:10 <zhobbs> davidw: what do you mean it's static?
Apr 10 09:49:11 <acsia> I studied there and it is really cool
Apr 10 09:49:41 <jtoy> zhobbs: i will read the source
Apr 10 09:49:48 <muthu> the problem is, wherever you live it becomes static after a while
Apr 10 09:50:17 <acsia> they have laws like 70% of your domain must be nature and no building can be taller then the trees so it is like worknig in a big forest but there are like 300k people going in and out every day
Apr 10 09:50:29 <jtoy> zhobbs: do i need to add the servicecallback if all I want is to get a message back from a method that i call from a remote service?
Apr 10 09:50:29 <muthu> wow sounds cool
Apr 10 09:51:08 <zhobbs> jtoy: well, it might be nice if it takes a long time to do the processing to get that message
Apr 10 09:51:31 <zhobbs> jtoy: but if you're just getting a variable or something then don't worry about it
Apr 10 09:51:59 <jtoy> zhobbs, hmm, is there a full example you know of i can follow online then?
Apr 10 09:52:58 <davidw> zhobbs, a lot of countries really aim to have a situation where no one rocks the boat
Apr 10 09:53:15 <davidw> zhobbs, creating an LLC in the US is on the order of magnitude of $100
Apr 10 09:53:22 <davidw> (I paid $55 in Oregon)
Apr 10 09:53:45 <davidw> in Italy, an SrL costs something like 5000 Euros just to set up, and you have to put about 10,000 euros of capital into it
Apr 10 09:53:46 <acsia> davidw: in britain is 1 pound
Apr 10 09:53:58 <acsia> I created my web design company when I was 17 here
Apr 10 09:54:19 <acsia> then lost interest when I was 18 :)
Apr 10 09:54:27 <acsia> but a couple of tousands in between
Apr 10 09:55:40 <muthu> davidw: and don't even talk about india
Apr 10 09:55:53 <muthu> they make you run through pillar to post
Apr 10 09:56:26 <muthu> acsia: you can start again
Apr 10 09:58:58 <acsia> muthu: will defintely do if I get something out of the ADC
Apr 10 09:59:09 <acsia> we could join forces
Apr 10 09:59:14 <muthu> yeah sure
Apr 10 09:59:38 <muthu> acsia: are you good at writing articles
Apr 10 09:59:52 <muthu> what do you like?
Apr 10 10:00:33 <acsia> muthu: I am going to write article for informit.com regardin android
Apr 10 10:00:47 <muthu> great
Apr 10 10:00:55 <acsia> I have never done it before so we will see if I like it or not :)
Apr 10 10:01:04 <muthu> let me know
Apr 10 10:01:08 <muthu> when it comes out
Apr 10 10:01:10 <acsia> sure why you asking?
Apr 10 10:01:23 <muthu> you can write for an android site
Apr 10 10:01:44 <acsia> yes I intend to
Apr 10 10:01:44 <muthu> if you are interested
Apr 10 10:02:03 <muthu> talk to zhobbs
Apr 10 10:02:07 <acsia> to be honnest, I have been working a lot on my android project + I am currently moving position within my company
Apr 10 10:02:21 <acsia> well I wrote some stuff in anddev.org
Apr 10 10:02:33 <acsia> at its beginning
Apr 10 10:02:40 <muthu> ok
Apr 10 10:02:48 <muthu> if you are interested, write for helloandroid
Apr 10 10:03:24 <acsia> sure as soon as I have some time on me
Apr 10 10:03:31 <muthu> ok
Apr 10 10:03:48 <acsia> I am also handling androforge.net
Apr 10 10:04:04 <muthu> great
Apr 10 10:04:04 <acsia> 120 dll for MySpot
Apr 10 10:04:51 <acsia> well I have not seen any other proejcts then the ones that I put there....
Apr 10 10:05:06 <muthu> you need to market it
Apr 10 10:05:14 <acsia> some registered but I would like to see the OSS grow within android
Apr 10 10:05:18 <acsia> I know
Apr 10 10:05:51 <acsia> I am just a bit unsure about my VPS so for the moment I am putting my effort on android and then I might begin to market it
Apr 10 10:06:19 <muthu> ok
Apr 10 10:09:36 <acsia> do you know why the background of a list disappear after it has been selected?
Apr 10 10:22:23 <muthu> the selected item shows the hilite color
Apr 10 10:25:28 <zhobbs> acsia: let me know if you ever want to get in involved with helloandroid.com for any reason...we're recruiting :)
Apr 10 10:26:38 <zhobbs> acsia: writing, posting news, backend, whatever
Apr 10 10:28:02 <acsia> zhobbs: sure, as I said now might not be the best time but within the next week I could gladly contribute
Apr 10 10:28:24 <acsia> has anybody put some easter egg in their software?
Apr 10 10:28:32 <zhobbs> completely understandable about time right now
Apr 10 10:28:44 <zhobbs> (considering is 6:30 AM and I'm still up)
Apr 10 10:28:58 <acsia> lol
Apr 10 10:29:00 <muthu> good morning zhobbs: sleep well ;)
Apr 10 10:29:11 <acsia> yea I stayed up till 4 yesterday and could not sleep due to my coffee intake
Apr 10 10:29:34 <zhobbs> well now that I'm done with my android stuff I can get started on my normal work
Apr 10 11:01:13 <davidw> oh my: Apache goes web 2.0: http://www.apache.org/
Apr 10 11:07:01 <acsia> which is best for a pop up menu?
Apr 10 11:07:27 <acsia> davidw hum... not sure i like it... yet
Apr 10 11:07:58 <Hai-Fai> "popup menu"? showAlert?
Apr 10 11:08:38 <acsia> is there anything else then showAlert?
Apr 10 11:10:29 <acsia> I guess I need to create my own dialog interface... don t really have time for that
Apr 10 11:10:40 <Hai-Fai> well it's not that hard..
Apr 10 11:11:00 <Hai-Fai> couple of lines of code and few graphics and tadaa =)
Apr 10 11:11:14 <Hai-Fai> but now I have to be going, good luck
Apr 10 11:20:06 <muthu> woah apache
Apr 10 11:40:22 <acsia> has anybody an example of context menu
Apr 10 11:46:39 <dpino> there is an example of populateContextMenu in ExpamdableList example in the ApiDemos
Apr 10 11:53:39 <acsia> does it only work on expandableList?
Apr 10 11:56:26 <zhobbs> acsia: no, works on any list
Apr 10 11:56:43 <zhobbs> might actually work on other view types as well
Apr 10 12:01:09 <acsia> hum...
Apr 10 12:07:03 <acsia> ok strange, eclipse did not give me the option on a gallery and now it works
Apr 10 12:07:10 <acsia> after importing it...
Apr 10 12:18:11 <suls> what's the best strategy to unit test android code?
Apr 10 12:23:39 <suls> is there some kind of standard way to mock the context outside of the emulator?
Apr 10 12:24:55 <zhobbs> Opera Mini released for android: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/362
Apr 10 12:38:10 <muthu> zhobbs: cool, keep the news coming
Apr 10 12:49:13 <acsia> you know what I really dislike on my company's computer
Apr 10 12:49:35 <acsia> not the fact that it is windows but the freaking anti virus that starts at 12 and finishes at 17
Apr 10 12:49:46 <acsia> you can snooze it 2 times and after it does not let you
Apr 10 12:50:03 <acsia> I just do a hard reboot to teach my computer how to respect my authority
Apr 10 12:52:05 <acsia> I was expecting at least 1 lol out of this...
Apr 10 12:52:10 <acsia> I have no friends :(
Apr 10 12:52:34 <zhobbs> lol <- at you not having friends :)
Apr 10 12:52:59 <acsia> :)
Apr 10 13:25:49 <acsia> any known issue with onLongClickListener?
Apr 10 13:25:57 <acsia> against a gallery
Apr 10 13:44:31 <dpino> acsia, what do you mean?
Apr 10 13:47:45 <acsia> well the onClick works but not the onLongClick
Apr 10 13:47:54 <acsia> dpino: on the same gallery
Apr 10 13:49:18 <dpino> I think your activity has  to implement onLongClickListener, right?
Apr 10 13:49:52 <dpino> http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/view/View.OnLongClickListener.html
Apr 10 13:50:05 <dpino> otherwise the event never comes up
Apr 10 14:07:21 <acsia> No I have it implemented
Apr 10 14:07:41 <acsia> dpino: I have View.OnClickListener implemented the same
Apr 10 14:07:43 <acsia> way
Apr 10 14:07:52 <acsia> maybe it it because of that let me check
Apr 10 14:11:55 <acsia> onLongClick does not seem to work with gallery
Apr 10 14:44:49 <michaelnovakjr_> howdy
Apr 10 14:48:15 <acsia> hi
Apr 10 14:49:51 <LaptopZZ> hi
Apr 10 14:57:35 <suls> are there any documents available on how a android app will get installed on the actual mobile?
Apr 10 14:58:00 <suls> will it be possible to download an apk and install it?
Apr 10 14:58:20 <davidw> you'll have to type in the binary by hand
Apr 10 14:58:39 <benley> with toggleswitches
Apr 10 14:58:41 <davidw> or rather, type in the source code, out of magazines like Byte
Apr 10 14:59:01 <B0jangles> lol
Apr 10 14:59:20 <B0jangles> I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers typing in .com files
Apr 10 14:59:30 <B0jangles> to get some random utility
Apr 10 14:59:39 <benley> with debug.com
Apr 10 15:03:14 <edcba> maybe android mobiles will be equipped with punchcard readers
Apr 10 15:03:55 <B0jangles> If the handsets are the same size as the emulator, there will certainly be enough room for a punchcard ;-)
Apr 10 16:10:18 <michaelnovakjr_> its quiet ... figured there would be loads of people with questions like... help me write my application in two days!
Apr 10 16:13:00 <acsia> can you do that michaelnovakjr?
Apr 10 16:13:10 <acsia> help me finish my app in 2 days :)
Apr 10 16:14:55 <michaelnovakjr_> sure... :)
Apr 10 16:15:15 <michaelnovakjr_> its always good to start two days before the deadline
Apr 10 16:29:23 <jobu> anyone know if android can be put on a nokia n800?  i saw posts for n810, just curious
Apr 10 18:26:33 <acsia> in the api demo, does the expandableList menu work?
Apr 10 18:26:50 <acsia> I think I am going crazy, I am pretty sure it used to work before
Apr 10 18:26:58 <acsia> but now when I click nothing happen, no toast
Apr 10 18:30:11 <muthu> it works
Apr 10 18:30:14 <muthu> in the api demo
Apr 10 18:30:29 <acsia> I am pretty sure it used to work
Apr 10 18:30:39 <acsia> I might need a wipe-data
Apr 10 18:30:56 <acsia> I click on the list of child and no popup...
Apr 10 18:32:25 <acsia> can you just confirm muthu -> Expandable ->  Custom adapter -> you click and a popup appear
Apr 10 18:34:20 <muthu> let me try
Apr 10 18:39:07 <muthu> no popups
Apr 10 18:39:09 <muthu> only expands
Apr 10 18:39:25 <acsia> a
Apr 10 18:39:38 <acsia> isnt it suppose to popup?
Apr 10 18:39:42 <acsia> refering to http://code.google.com/android/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/google/android/samples/view/ExpandableList1.html
Apr 10 18:40:00 <acsia> I might look at the wrong one but the names are the same...
Apr 10 18:40:34 <acsia> I am very confused but it could be the lack of sleep
Apr 10 18:41:26 <muthu> what popup?
Apr 10 18:41:33 <muthu> when you click the list, it expands
Apr 10 18:41:52 <acsia> Toast.makeText(this, title + ": Child " + childPos + " clicked in group " + groupPos,
Apr 10 18:41:52 <acsia>                     Toast.LENGTH_SHORT).show()
Apr 10 18:42:00 <acsia> from the java code
Apr 10 18:42:09 <acsia> that should show a popup?
Apr 10 18:42:56 <rhett> hey androiders
Apr 10 18:43:04 <rhett> does anyone know how to use the frame layout in a dialog?
Apr 10 18:43:08 <acsia> hey rhett
Apr 10 18:43:15 <rhett> I want to put an edittext in there
Apr 10 18:43:18 <muthu> oh the toast
Apr 10 18:43:29 <muthu> acsia: the toast might not show sometimes
Apr 10 18:43:45 <acsia> aha when woudl it show?
Apr 10 18:44:19 <acsia> do you know? I am having trouble with this as I have a log.i and I can not on the onCreateContext and it does not seem to be called...
Apr 10 18:45:23 <muthu> i've noticed it sometimes
Apr 10 18:45:31 <muthu> not sure why
Apr 10 18:45:58 <acsia> hum...
Apr 10 18:46:01 <acsia> rhet
Apr 10 18:46:17 <acsia> rhett: are you looking for frame layout or any layout
Apr 10 18:46:40 <acsia> muthu: do you think it could the the on* and not the toast?
Apr 10 18:47:20 <rhett> I don't know, I just want a text field to show up in a dialog
Apr 10 18:47:33 <rhett> and an ok button to enter a password
Apr 10 18:47:42 <acsia> you can check out this code thta I did for M3 but works in M5
Apr 10 18:47:42 <acsia> http://androforge.net/gf/project/androlib/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fsrc%2Fnet%2Fandroforge%2Fwidget%2FLocationDialog.java&view=markup
Apr 10 18:47:59 <acsia> it is a dialog box with a spinner but you probably can easily change it to a editbox
Apr 10 18:48:37 <muthu> acsia: try changing the toast to a dialog
Apr 10 18:48:42 <rhett> thanks acsia
Apr 10 18:49:13 <acsia> np
Apr 10 18:49:39 <acsia> muthu: well I have a Log.i which doesn't appear
Apr 10 18:49:59 <acsia> I ll look into this further, just wanted to double check with the api demos
Apr 10 18:50:06 <muthu> ok
Apr 10 18:50:06 <acsia> ensuring I am not going crazy
Apr 10 18:50:19 <muthu> you are not crazy - certified.
Apr 10 18:51:23 <acsia> :)
Apr 10 18:51:46 <muthu> :)
Apr 10 18:53:46 <acsia> rhett: it might be a lot for a simple dialog, basically you extend Dialog, set the content to the one that you want and in your main activity you use show(). I use a handler to get the values back to my main activity but you could probably do it differently as well
Apr 10 19:04:11 <jasta> romainguy: if you were participating in the ADC, what app would you write? :)
Apr 10 19:07:04 <muthu> jasta: did you check the gesture app
Apr 10 19:12:43 <jasta> gesture app?
Apr 10 19:13:33 <muthu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7A6OHWfSOE > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxwGMtNS_YA
Apr 10 19:14:09 <B0jangles> cool
Apr 10 19:14:55 <jasta> jesus, that guy writes really gracefully with the mous
Apr 10 19:14:56 <jasta> e
Apr 10 19:16:04 <zhobbs> haha, I'm sure he's been practicing a lot everyday for like 3 months
Apr 10 19:16:10 <jasta> yeah :)
Apr 10 19:16:18 <jasta> but seriously, it's impressive how precise his hand is
Apr 10 19:16:23 <B0jangles> he probably has a tablet
Apr 10 19:16:30 <michaelnovakjr_> what's up with the affidavit for the contest?
Apr 10 19:16:31 <jasta> even still
Apr 10 19:16:32 <zhobbs> I like the spiral zoom in/out gesture
Apr 10 19:16:36 <jasta> his hand writing on screen is better than mine in real life
Apr 10 19:16:41 <jasta> with a pen, i mean
Apr 10 19:17:01 <acsia> it s a really cool app
Apr 10 19:17:02 <jasta> that is really cool though, and has a lot of applicability for the platform
Apr 10 19:17:03 <B0jangles> affidavit?
Apr 10 19:17:13 <jasta> my music app could use that for sure.  to let you filter the list of artists and albums without a keyboard
Apr 10 19:17:14 <michaelnovakjr_> number 2 on the paperwork list
Apr 10 19:17:15 <zhobbs> that'll be useful if the phone isn't multitouch especially
Apr 10 19:17:27 <B0jangles> michaelnovakjr_: link?
Apr 10 19:17:38 <zhobbs> jasta: that's true, just start gesturing the artist/album name
Apr 10 19:17:55 <michaelnovakjr_> http://code.google.com/android/adc_judging.html
Apr 10 19:18:00 <jasta> yeah, much better than sliding out a qwerty keyboard or whatever
Apr 10 19:18:20 <jasta> i have the alphabet bar on the left, but even i know that will not be enough.
Apr 10 19:18:28 <jasta> i'll have to enhance that a lot to make it usable
Apr 10 19:18:31 <B0jangles> michaelnovakjr_: seems reasonable
Apr 10 19:18:38 <jasta> but gesturing would be a great way to do searches
Apr 10 19:18:39 <B0jangles> "Affidavit of Eligibility, Publicity Release, and Payment Information -- Each participant will need to sign an affidavit confirming their eligibility to receive a prize and a release for Google to use your name in connection with your Entry. Also, we'll need certain information in order to actually complete payment of the prize money. "
Apr 10 19:18:41 <acsia> hey jasta ther eis this website where you sign and it recognizes the singer... Do you get the hint
Apr 10 19:18:55 <michaelnovakjr_> i meant what do we have to do with it B0jangles
Apr 10 19:18:58 <jasta> acsia: where you sign?
Apr 10 19:19:10 <acsia> give me a sec I ll try to find it
Apr 10 19:19:21 <B0jangles> michaelnovakjr_: If you win, they'll make you sign something to claim the money
Apr 10 19:19:27 <michaelnovakjr_> ah ok
Apr 10 19:19:31 <jasta> i am hoping android has some nice speech-to-text stuff as well
Apr 10 19:19:35 <zhobbs> yeah, that's only if you win
Apr 10 19:19:37 <jasta> i'd love to be able to hands-free the music app :)
Apr 10 19:19:39 <michaelnovakjr_> B0jangles, i thought it was  before
Apr 10 19:19:42 <B0jangles> ah, no
Apr 10 19:19:45 <michaelnovakjr_> cool
Apr 10 19:20:54 <zhobbs> yeah, speech recog would be great...lots of people would love that
Apr 10 19:21:09 <muthu> someone was writing the speech reg
Apr 10 19:21:35 <zhobbs> is it going to be possible in java with a 600 Mhz processor?
Apr 10 19:21:46 <B0jangles> sure
Apr 10 19:21:49 <zhobbs> might be better off in c
Apr 10 19:21:53 <Kraln> uh
Apr 10 19:22:02 <Kraln> speech recog is a terribly complex problem
Apr 10 19:22:12 <Kraln> do you want it to recognize words or transcripe spoken speech?
Apr 10 19:22:21 <Kraln> transcribe*
Apr 10 19:22:42 <zhobbs> that's true, maybe be fast enough to do a word at a time...but not whole phrases
Apr 10 19:22:55 <Kraln> it's not about speed
Apr 10 19:22:58 <Kraln> it's about accuracy
Apr 10 19:23:08 <B0jangles> more speed = more accuracy
Apr 10 19:23:13 <Kraln> if you can figure out a word 95% of the time, how many words in this sentence did you just muck up?
Apr 10 19:23:28 <Kraln> now make it a more realistic 80%.
Apr 10 19:24:12 <Kraln> if you want some java speech recognition code, I actually just wrote a basic one.
Apr 10 19:25:06 <B0jangles> Kraln: how did you go about doing it?
Apr 10 19:26:50 <Kraln> uh, record samples, isolate utterance from background noise and silence
Apr 10 19:27:02 <B0jangles> well, that much is obvious
Apr 10 19:27:07 <Kraln> fft, hamming window
Apr 10 19:27:11 <B0jangles> got it
Apr 10 19:27:15 <Kraln> compare against known lengths, samples, and ffts
Apr 10 19:27:15 <B0jangles> was wondering if you used fft
Apr 10 19:27:28 <B0jangles> or tried to do it without
Apr 10 19:27:29 <Kraln> without fft "hello" = "goodbye"
Apr 10 19:27:44 <Kraln> could have done dct instead of fft, but the result is about the same
Apr 10 19:27:53 <Kraln> and fft is faaaaast for power of 2 samples
Apr 10 19:28:03 <B0jangles> one could theoretically do it with a series of bandpass filters
Apr 10 19:28:16 <Kraln> this is true. want me to put up the code? I have no further interest in it
Apr 10 19:28:24 <B0jangles> that's okay
Apr 10 19:28:29 <B0jangles> I know how to do it w/ fft
Apr 10 19:28:44 <B0jangles> just wondering if you had come up with some way that worked better on a mobile phone
Apr 10 19:29:09 <Kraln> it does /alright/ with just the length of the utterance and the RMSE of the samples
Apr 10 19:29:24 <B0jangles> ah
Apr 10 19:29:31 <Kraln> if your spoken commands are disparate enough, that'll suffice
Apr 10 19:29:41 <B0jangles> interesting
Apr 10 19:29:43 <Kraln> ie, stop, play, pause, next.
Apr 10 19:30:18 <Kraln> I got it to recognize "hi, mike, testing, hello, goodbye" with only one sample to compare against
Apr 10 19:30:51 <B0jangles> cool
Apr 10 19:31:08 <Kraln> the thing that took the longest is finding where the utterance borders
Apr 10 19:31:15 <Kraln> and that could be sped up quite a bit
Apr 10 19:31:36 <B0jangles> yeah, I wrote a pitch detecting algorithm awhile ago. same problem
Apr 10 19:31:56 <B0jangles> or rather, a system that employed pitch detection
Apr 10 19:32:13 <Kraln> to detect zero point, I order all the samples and pick the one 10% of the way in as the 'zero'
Apr 10 19:32:26 <Kraln> so, it's an array sort (n log n)
Apr 10 19:32:37 * Kraln shrugs
Apr 10 19:32:40 <B0jangles> aye
Apr 10 20:24:22 <ritztech> aloha everybody
Apr 10 20:34:13 <ritztech> anyone know of the new p750 phone
Apr 10 20:35:09 <jasta> what about it?
Apr 10 20:41:33 <davidw> wow... not bad, 136 buffers in emacs
Apr 10 20:43:22 * jasta is tempted to start a holy war, but there's just no time :)
Apr 10 20:43:55 <Kraln> viiii
Apr 10 20:45:29 <zhobbs> uh oh...that war just isn't worth it
Apr 10 20:46:26 <B0jangles> why do people use vi when they can use vim?
Apr 10 20:46:44 <zhobbs> why do people use vim when they can use emacs?
Apr 10 20:46:47 <davidw> does anyone who says 'vi' actually not mean 'vim' ?
Apr 10 20:46:55 <B0jangles> davidw: I dunno
Apr 10 20:46:59 <B0jangles> do they?
Apr 10 20:47:09 <davidw> zhobbs, fetal alcohol syndrome or something like that
Apr 10 20:47:10 <B0jangles> If you mean vim, why not just say vim
Apr 10 20:47:41 <davidw> I guess that's not all that funny... never mind
Apr 10 20:47:42 <zhobbs> lol
Apr 10 20:47:52 <zhobbs> I think it's pretty funny
Apr 10 20:48:08 <B0jangles> hey, nothing funnier than fetal alcohol syndrome
Apr 10 20:48:53 <davidw> it would be better suited to a joke over a few beers or something... anyway...
Apr 10 20:49:05 <B0jangles> I can go get a beer if you'd like
Apr 10 20:49:17 <ritztech> can i put the android os on any phone that has wm6
Apr 10 20:49:38 <B0jangles> there have been a lot of people asking about installing android on phones today...
Apr 10 20:49:52 <acsia> ritztech: that s funny
Apr 10 20:50:07 <ritztech> i know i know darn andriod
Apr 10 20:50:14 <acsia> windows mobile 6 yes?
Apr 10 20:51:15 <ritztech> im trying to find out a good phone out there and you got bunch of phones over seas
Apr 10 20:51:22 <acsia> ritztech: android is the OS itself, it is not intended to run ontop of any other OS
Apr 10 20:51:31 <acsia> wait til this summer
Apr 10 20:51:37 <ritztech> i know that i would have to load that
Apr 10 20:51:48 <B0jangles> There isn't currently any way to install Android aside from hacking your phone
Apr 10 20:51:48 <ritztech> hmmm really ehh
Apr 10 20:51:59 <B0jangles> And it probably won't work very well
Apr 10 20:52:03 <ritztech> i saw the asus p750
Apr 10 20:52:22 <acsia> or emulated within your computer but that s not very portable
Apr 10 20:52:25 <davidw> B0jangles, actually, living in Austria, I'm kind of sick of beer
Apr 10 20:52:31 <ritztech> hmmm is it jsut a linux load
Apr 10 20:52:38 <B0jangles> davidw: heresy!
Apr 10 20:53:07 <davidw> it's monotonous... I'll take a good red wine any time
Apr 10 20:53:15 <B0jangles> I also like wine
Apr 10 20:53:24 <B0jangles> Can't afford "good" red wine
Apr 10 20:53:29 <acsia> belgium has the best beer in the world
Apr 10 20:53:32 <B0jangles> but I enjoy "regular" red wine
Apr 10 20:53:46 <acsia> and it is not monotonous
Apr 10 20:54:09 <davidw> wine is expensive in the US
Apr 10 20:54:19 <B0jangles> It's cheap in Austria?
Apr 10 20:54:40 <acsia> I enjoy any beverage that help in my quest of oblivion
Apr 10 20:54:45 <B0jangles> I'll spend $10-$20 on a bottle of wine
Apr 10 20:54:45 <davidw> cheaper than in the states, because they produce a bit themselves, and can easily import it from italy, france, spain, etc...
Apr 10 20:54:54 <B0jangles> any more than that, and I assume I can't taste the difference
Apr 10 20:55:12 <acsia> davidw: I remember in austria this really cool type of wine place
Apr 10 20:55:14 <acsia> wine and co
Apr 10 20:55:16 <acsia> that s it
Apr 10 20:55:21 <acsia> cool idea IMO
Apr 10 20:55:26 <davidw> what was it?
Apr 10 20:55:51 <acsia> you choose your bottle and you can sit and have some cheese or snacks with your wine
Apr 10 20:56:01 <acsia> it was in vienna that I saw that
Apr 10 20:56:22 <acsia> I know it does not sound very extraordinary but it was more like a wine shop that let you sit and drink your bottle
Apr 10 20:56:48 <davidw> ah, yeah that is cool
Apr 10 20:58:24 <acsia> davidw: where do you live?
Apr 10 20:58:32 <davidw> Innsbruck
Apr 10 20:58:42 <davidw> Vienna would probably be a bit nicer in many ways
Apr 10 20:59:16 <davidw> here they eat massive portions of fatty pork, potatoes, and drink lots of beer.  Which is great if you work outside in the snow 10 hours a day, but is otherwise a recipe for heart disease
Apr 10 20:59:37 <acsia> lol
Apr 10 21:00:12 <acsia> i enjoyed vienna very much, never been to innsbruck
Apr 10 21:00:21 <acsia> I went to klagenfurt as well
Apr 10 21:01:06 <zhobbs> I need a vacation to Europe, I haven't ever been out there
Apr 10 21:01:46 <acsia> I enjoy europe, especially living in London, you can travel for very cheap anywhere
Apr 10 21:01:51 <davidw> not a good time with the dollar where it is:-/
Apr 10 21:02:00 <acsia> true
Apr 10 21:02:09 <zhobbs> yeah I know
Apr 10 21:02:27 <zhobbs> actually, I could get some free lodging in Holland...a friend of mine is moving out there
Apr 10 21:02:40 <zhobbs> so, might have to take advantage of that this year
Apr 10 21:03:18 <davidw> portugal's still fairly cheap
Apr 10 21:03:21 <davidw> I liked it too
Apr 10 21:03:38 <davidw> Italy is cool and along with france is perhaps one of the more varied countries in europe
Apr 10 21:04:18 <davidw> you can see everything from typical tirolean wood houses high in the dolomites to greek looking whitewashed cities on the shore in the south
Apr 10 21:04:33 <davidw> and italian girls are cute:-)
Apr 10 21:04:49 <acsia> cute but a pain in the a**
Apr 10 21:05:31 <acsia> I had a italian gf for 3  years
Apr 10 21:05:47 <michaelnovakjr_> i am married to an italian girl :)
Apr 10 21:05:52 <acsia> :)
Apr 10 21:05:53 <michaelnovakjr_> gained 30 pounds!
Apr 10 21:06:01 <acsia> hahaha yes that s how it goes
Apr 10 21:06:03 <davidw> michaelnovakjr_, where from?
Apr 10 21:06:14 <acsia> became 'la mama'
Apr 10 21:06:27 <michaelnovakjr_> i am in new york city
Apr 10 21:06:43 <davidw> and her? italian italian or italian-american?
Apr 10 21:06:53 <michaelnovakjr_> her family is from Naples
Apr 10 21:07:27 <acsia> meaning taht she grew up in italy or that he family grew up in italy?
Apr 10 21:07:33 <acsia> her
Apr 10 21:07:43 <michaelnovakjr_> both
Apr 10 21:08:03 <acsia> everytime I meet americans, they tell me they are irish or italians but it was actually their grand parents who were
Apr 10 21:08:08 <davidw> that's cool... it doesn't take long for most families to get completely assimilated and lose the language
Apr 10 21:08:15 <michaelnovakjr_> haha true
Apr 10 21:08:21 <michaelnovakjr_> i learned italian real fast
Apr 10 21:08:25 <acsia> I consider your nationality mostly where you grew up
Apr 10 21:08:26 <davidw> my wife is from near Padova
Apr 10 21:08:38 <michaelnovakjr_> some of the older people in her family don't speak english at all realy
Apr 10 21:09:08 <acsia> from all my travels, the most beautiful girls I ve seen are in lebanon
Apr 10 21:09:14 <acsia> untouchable but magnificent
Apr 10 21:09:26 <acsia> the most easy going are israelies
Apr 10 21:09:49 <acsia> the most beautiful girls per km in sweden
Apr 10 21:09:50 <michaelnovakjr_> intersting
Apr 10 21:09:59 <michaelnovakjr_> i'll be back in a bit
Apr 10 21:10:07 <acsia> the most interesting in kazakstan
Apr 10 21:10:17 <davidw> wow... kazakhistan?
Apr 10 21:10:19 <acsia> the most disapointed in russia
Apr 10 21:10:26 <acsia> I went there for a wedding
Apr 10 21:10:39 <davidw> cool
Apr 10 21:10:44 <zhobbs> russia exports all their women
Apr 10 21:10:46 <acsia> the funny thing is that KZ was the garbage of USSR
Apr 10 21:11:02 <jasta> weird
Apr 10 21:11:16 <acsia> so you had all the jews/german/ukrainian/inteligencia that were sent to KZ
Apr 10 21:11:36 <acsia> so now you have this kind of combination of mongol type of girl with blue eyes
Apr 10 21:12:08 <zhobbs> there was a guy in the IT dep of a place a worked for bit that was interviewing mail order brides
Apr 10 21:12:08 <davidw> I think mixed up genes like that usually make for attractive people
Apr 10 21:12:14 <zhobbs> (from russia)
Apr 10 21:12:31 <davidw> here in innsbruck they all look like AAAhhnuld
Apr 10 21:12:44 <acsia> etc.. a bit like venezuela and the imigration of germans after the WW2, nver been but I heard you can find the most beautiful girsl -> black skin with blue eyes
Apr 10 21:12:46 <davidw> well, not really, but a lot of them;-)
Apr 10 21:13:24 <acsia> zhobbs: I have a guy at work who s doing the same
Apr 10 21:13:32 <acsia> we managed to find a profile page for him
Apr 10 21:13:35 <acsia> so embarrassing
Apr 10 21:13:40 <acsia> let me see if I can find it again
Apr 10 21:17:16 <acsia> whe you use registerContentObserver, you can close you app and it will still be registered?
Apr 10 21:25:27 <Ritzerisk> im back my vpn kicked me out ahah
Apr 10 21:30:55 <jasta> acsia: no, though you still should unregister.
Apr 10 21:52:39 <davidw> snzzzzzz
Apr 10 22:28:13 <jasta> I just realized that by the time Google I/O happens, we should know who the ADC winners are.  Hopefully some of them attend :)
Apr 10 22:29:10 <michaelnovakjr> they will be able to afford it :)
Apr 10 22:29:40 <jasta> right, but most folks going will have decided before the 5th.
Apr 10 22:30:00 <michaelnovakjr> why is it again?
Apr 10 22:30:49 <michaelnovakjr> when is it again
Apr 10 22:31:05 <jasta> may 28-29
Apr 10 22:32:42 <f00f-> i am not going
Apr 10 22:32:50 <f00f-> are any of you?
Apr 10 22:33:04 <michaelnovakjr> if i can win and decide after the 5th :)
Apr 10 22:33:32 <jasta> f00f-: I am.
Apr 10 22:34:02 <jasta> It's an excuse to part with my buddy that lives down there
Apr 10 22:34:18 <jasta> also, his company is sending him to the conf. for some reason
Apr 10 22:39:12 <Kraln> is there a way to set a scrollview so it cannot scroll past the bottom?
Apr 10 22:54:01 <acsia> is there any issues with the onLongClickListener on a ExpandableListActivity?
Apr 10 22:54:20 <acsia> I can not make it work for some reason while the onClickListener works jsut fine
Apr 10 23:10:47 <Ix-X|tan> some nice question to the experts :P If i have a model loaded and i need to put several queries on it from different threads since i will not be modifying the rdf is it safe to use the same model ?
Apr 10 23:11:07 <Ix-X|tan> read only
Apr 10 23:20:34 <mickrobk> Ix-X|tan, are you talking about the sqlite database?
Apr 10 23:38:42 <jasta> alright, wrote my project's README for the adc :)
Apr 10 23:43:13 <acsia> how long is it?
Apr 10 23:44:00 <acsia> I am thinking about either keeping it simple or add screenshots etc...
Apr 10 23:49:50 <acsia> is it possible to disable the zoom dialog on a map?
Apr 10 23:50:16 <jasta> acsia: It's 105 lines in a text file.
Apr 10 23:50:35 <jasta> I plan to include the README file and a demo video, that's it.
Apr 10 23:50:43 <jasta> I mean, and the application :)
Apr 10 23:50:53 <acsia> :) a video is a nice touch
Apr 10 23:51:29 <jasta> I'm gonna post a demo video here any day now too.  I just have too many ideas!
Apr 10 23:51:29 <jasta> :)
Apr 10 23:52:25 <jasta> Can't settle on an interface because I keep improving it hehe
Apr 10 23:52:32 <acsia> plenty are looking forward to your video ;)
Apr 10 23:52:35 <jasta> Anyway, heading home now.  Got a lot more work to do tonight :)
Apr 10 23:53:00 <acsia> I am brain dead, not sure if I should do some editing still or go to bed early...
Apr 10 23:53:04 <acsia> maybe another hour
Apr 11 01:40:48 <chomchom> Wow that gesture recognition software is super sweet
Apr 11 01:43:07 <chomchom> A really clever application, there must be a lot of knowledgeable logic behind it. Wasn't really sure what was going on at first in the videos but I'll definitely be giving that a download the minute its available.
Apr 11 01:54:28 <chomchom> quality pixel art: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDajd3X7sf8
Apr 11 01:56:31 <Kraln> true, but it's just a shmup
Apr 11 01:58:06 <chomchom> justa well made, playable shmup
Apr 11 01:59:45 <poffy> Kraln
Apr 11 01:59:48 <poffy> you finally back?
Apr 11 02:00:45 <Kraln> yes, I was swimming
Apr 11 02:00:50 <Kraln> plus my mother is on the way to the hospital
Apr 11 02:01:29 <Kraln> to #hi ?
Apr 11 02:32:01 <Kraln> anyone know of a way to keep a scrollview from scrolling past the bottom?
Apr 11 02:44:03 <jtoy> is there  a slider bard widget for androdi? I cant seem to find one
Apr 11 02:53:07 <jasta> someone created a crude one, i think
Apr 11 02:54:06 <jtoy> jasta: do you know what the widget is called when you create na ew contact, you can click on the phone type and a menu appears, very similar to how submenu works
Apr 11 02:57:13 <michaelnovakjr> anyone know of a SimpleAdapter example?
Apr 11 02:58:04 <jtoy> I'm also unable to find the slider widget you mentioned
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