**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 12 02:59:56 2008 Apr 12 03:01:22 maynards-girl, http://code.google.com/android/kb/troubleshooting.html#installeclipsecomponents Apr 12 03:01:43 i had the same problem like 3 hours ago :) Apr 12 03:02:46 i'm looking for that update sites to visit part... Apr 12 03:03:03 i'm just an idiot and thought i was missing somethign else Apr 12 03:03:45 the update sites to visit part is that first dialog that pops up when u do install new plugin, with the list of sites Apr 12 03:05:43 completely lost... Apr 12 03:05:59 have you ever used eclipse before? Apr 12 03:06:13 yeah, for php Apr 12 03:06:21 i installed the php plugin some time ago Apr 12 03:07:02 if you go to the android site it has very detailed install instructions for the plugin Apr 12 03:07:08 should be the link above Apr 12 03:07:29 no the link above is to solve that missing plugin problem Apr 12 03:07:49 just has the fix for ADT Installation Error: "requires plug-in org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui". Apr 12 03:08:02 ah Apr 12 03:08:12 my bad Apr 12 03:08:26 maynards-girl, for the walkthough go here Apr 12 03:08:28 http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html#installingplugin Apr 12 03:09:00 to fix ur problem, after step 5, check the box Apr 12 03:09:23 Callisto/Europa/Ganymede Discovery Site Apr 12 03:09:36 which will be different dependant on your operating system Apr 12 03:11:27 nobody knows a way I can put a TextView over an ImageView? Apr 12 03:12:25 rhett, i know if you use a relative layout you should be able to have stuff stack on top of one another, though I'm not sure that's what u mean Apr 12 03:12:40 yeah, i'm using an absolute layout Apr 12 03:12:53 but my ImageView is over my TextView Apr 12 03:13:06 same problem Apr 12 03:13:28 maybe bringToFront? Apr 12 03:14:22 i dunno, i have lots of stacked things but genreally use visibility, i think gernerally if it's lower in the xml it will be on top though Apr 12 03:16:17 maynards-girl, where r u running into problems? Apr 12 03:17:12 i cant install the android plugin or the europa discovery one either Apr 12 03:17:33 whats the error? Apr 12 03:19:18 android editors (0..blha blah blha) requires plu-ing "org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui" Apr 12 03:20:13 click the button on the right Apr 12 03:20:18 "select required" Apr 12 03:20:22 i even downloaded the local ADT and tried installong it that way Apr 12 03:21:50 for which? Apr 12 03:22:00 do both at the same time Apr 12 03:22:13 then on that second screen "search results" Apr 12 03:22:20 check android, but not the other Apr 12 03:22:50 u should see that same error, then hit that "select required" button Apr 12 03:28:19 alright, home Apr 12 03:28:31 romainguy: how? Apr 12 03:34:55 3 more days Apr 12 03:34:58 tick tock ;) Apr 12 03:35:26 what is the proper way to implement an abstract method in the stub of a aidl interface? Apr 12 03:35:42 i was looking at m3 code, but it looks like that has changed Apr 12 03:36:18 jerkface03: :) Apr 12 03:36:26 i'm still working feverishly :) Apr 12 03:36:51 this past week i've been focusing entirely on making the app look nice Apr 12 03:37:06 trying to get some of those "polish and appeal" points ;) Apr 12 03:37:26 though that has involved quite a lot of code to re-work the interface and such Apr 12 03:37:33 and i've been forced to explore drawables, paints, etc. Apr 12 03:38:41 got any screens up? Apr 12 03:38:59 anyone know of an m5 aidl tutorial Apr 12 03:39:14 it seems like everything looks good except the abstract method in the stub Apr 12 03:39:40 jerkface03: not yet, but i'm very close to that. i'm going to record a dmeo video like everyone else has done Apr 12 03:40:02 romainguy: so i just used the controls child layout's background to draw this effect. Apr 12 03:40:15 did you get my pv? Apr 12 03:40:19 no Apr 12 03:40:23 doh Apr 12 03:40:28 cause I remembered how to do it Apr 12 03:40:33 you need to use a ComposeShader Apr 12 03:40:36 i saw that you had, but you didnt say anything :) Apr 12 03:40:43 and compose a BitmapShader and a LinearGradient Apr 12 03:40:43 d'oh Apr 12 03:40:45 set the Xfermode Apr 12 03:40:49 and use drawRect() Apr 12 03:41:03 oh, that's goofy Apr 12 03:41:06 but i get it i think Apr 12 03:41:21 ok, let me try that hang on Apr 12 03:43:34 hmm, BitmapShader actually won't work as i have this now. Apr 12 03:43:51 I was using canvas.drawBitmap with stretching. will BitmapShader stretch? Apr 12 03:44:43 you would have to try Apr 12 03:44:47 why would you stretch it? Apr 12 03:44:56 (you can use scale to stretch) Apr 12 03:45:03 scaledrawable, you mean? Apr 12 03:45:09 canvas.scale Apr 12 03:45:11 oh Apr 12 03:45:28 or scale drawable :) Apr 12 03:45:45 ok, give me a minute to soak this all up then Apr 12 03:49:44 well. Apr 12 03:50:14 any good geocoders that you know of? Apr 12 03:50:15 it didn't seem to work. it actually didn't draw anything. Apr 12 03:50:26 i see through to the theme background Apr 12 03:50:37 jasta: you? Apr 12 03:50:44 nope, sorry Apr 12 03:50:52 anyone? Apr 12 03:51:28 GmmGeocoder works? Apr 12 03:52:43 romainguy: there's a typo in the ComposeShader documentation. 'coposition' Apr 12 03:55:56 so Apr 12 03:56:07 my application draws closer and closer to being finished =) Apr 12 03:56:10 when is the deadline again? Apr 12 03:56:21 apr 14th, 11:59pm pst Apr 12 03:56:59 sweet. Apr 12 03:57:15 romainguy: any more ideas? i really shouldn't spend much more time on this :\ Apr 12 03:57:33 I just told you how it works Apr 12 03:57:42 romainguy: Right, and I tried it, but it does not draw. Apr 12 03:57:54 BitmapShader sh1 = new BitmapShader(mBit, Shader.TileMode.REPEAT, Shader.TileMode.REPEAT); Apr 12 03:57:54 LinearGradient sh2 = new LinearGradient(0f, mBit.getHeight(),0f, mBit.getHeight()/3, 0x7f000000, 0x00000000, Shader.TileMode.CLAMP); Apr 12 03:57:54 PorterDuff mode = new PorterDuff(PorterDuff.Mode.DST_IN); Apr 12 03:57:54 mReflectionShader = new ComposeShader(sh1, sh2, mode ); Apr 12 03:57:57 i swapped the order in the ComposeShader construction and then it draws, but not correctly. Apr 12 03:58:39 and then: Apr 12 03:58:40 mCoverPaint.setShader(mReflectionShader); Apr 12 03:58:40 canvas.drawRect(new Rect(0,0,mBit.getWidth(),mBit.getHeight()), mCoverPaint); Apr 12 03:59:14 i swear i am using it just like that. let me copy that example precisely. Apr 12 04:00:24 oh, i was setting the paints Xfermode :\ Apr 12 04:00:37 (in addition ato the ComposeShader) Apr 12 04:02:15 that was the problem, sigh Apr 12 04:15:09 anyone know of any good geocoding services? Apr 12 04:23:29 romainguy: would canvas.clipRect help me clip my image? Apr 12 04:23:40 yes Apr 12 04:23:59 i clip, then scale, so i'm trying to do both with the canvas Apr 12 04:25:46 so does canvas.drawBitmap implement clipping using the canvas as well? Apr 12 04:26:09 every draw method on the Canvas should honor the clip Apr 12 04:26:26 i guess i'm just confused how this would work Apr 12 04:26:33 how so? Apr 12 04:26:35 it's pretty simple Apr 12 04:27:07 yo romainguy what's up with the intel only for macs? Apr 12 04:27:09 for the sdk Apr 12 04:27:18 i'll experiment, i don't want to bother you until i've tried myself Apr 12 04:27:18 no idea Apr 12 04:27:25 no love for the ppc? Apr 12 04:27:26 haha Apr 12 04:27:31 michaelnovakjr: it's already pretty nice to have a SDK for linux + window + macintel Apr 12 04:27:42 true Apr 12 04:27:53 mac sdk is very nice :) Apr 12 04:29:06 coding up another version of the sdk for ppc was probably not their highest priority Apr 12 04:29:16 haha Apr 12 04:29:18 true Apr 12 04:29:23 well given the marketshare of Mac PPCs out there... :)) Apr 12 04:29:30 although I wouldn't be surprised to see a ppc version later on Apr 12 04:29:41 what's nice, though, is that once source is available i bet people will port it even further. Apr 12 04:29:42 but given the marketshare of Mac Intels at work... :)) Apr 12 04:29:45 much further than google would have otherwise Apr 12 04:29:57 yea Apr 12 04:30:46 so are we going to see a new version of the android sdk after the deadline? Apr 12 04:30:53 can't tell you :) Apr 12 04:31:05 that means yes :) Apr 12 04:31:26 well I can say with confidence that you will see a new android sdk sometime in the future after the deadline :)) Apr 12 04:31:42 I just figured google has been waiting until the deadline so they don't break stuff ... although you don't HAVE to update to the latest sdk Apr 12 04:32:00 it just makes sense Apr 12 04:32:12 you guys wonder way too much :) Apr 12 04:32:26 all I can tell you is that I am happily breaking APIs ^^ Apr 12 04:32:30 that is what happens when you don't know :) Apr 12 04:32:42 i bet you are having fun doing it to romainguy Apr 12 04:32:53 depends on the change :) Apr 12 04:32:59 hH Apr 12 04:33:00 haha Apr 12 04:34:18 break jastas stuff! Apr 12 04:37:13 lol, so mean Apr 12 04:42:35 what is "error receiving broadcast null in" caused by? Apr 12 04:42:42 i have an IntentReceiver Apr 12 04:42:50 but i dont understand why this error occurs Apr 12 04:44:44 i guess i have to unregister it in onPause ? Apr 12 05:36:58 romainguy: weird, when i set scale(mScaleX, -mScaleY), it doesn't draw anything Apr 12 05:37:10 but with mScaleY it draws at the correct scale, just not flipped. Apr 12 05:45:50 when you use -scaleY you need to translate by +height of what you draw Apr 12 05:45:59 oh Apr 12 05:47:21 i need to take a graphics class Apr 12 05:47:31 man all drawing, scaling.. phew Apr 12 05:47:58 muthu: honestly, this stuff is making me feel stupid. i believe that it is easy to understand, but i am struggling :\ Apr 12 05:48:12 perhaps it is just foreign. i am not a UI guy, afterall. Apr 12 05:48:43 :) Apr 12 05:48:58 don't worry, even when you're used to it, you always mess it up Apr 12 05:49:03 especially these stupid rotations Apr 12 05:49:21 i'm trying hard not to bother you too much, really :) Apr 12 05:50:52 * jasta crosses his fingers and hits *run* Apr 12 05:50:57 i swaer i think i got it :) Apr 12 05:51:08 *YAY*! Apr 12 05:54:02 \o/ Apr 12 05:55:28 you know what sucks about developing this app Apr 12 05:56:02 i keep testing with the same songs and playlists just out of repitition, but constantly disrupt the song just a few seconds in Apr 12 05:56:06 and now i can't stand listening to them Apr 12 05:56:23 Neighborhood #2 (Laika) used to be my favorite Arcade Fire track on this album and now I find it annoying :\ Apr 12 05:57:20 hmm Apr 12 05:57:33 what's the proper way to issue a dialogbox? <- stupid question Apr 12 05:57:46 nevermind, answered it Apr 12 05:58:15 romainguy: would clipping affect that translate +height rule? Apr 12 05:58:36 the clip is set in canvas coordinates and is not affected by the transformations Apr 12 05:59:05 i draw a rect with height mBitmap.getHeight(), and already translate getHeight() * mReflectPortion. Apr 12 05:59:24 so I tried switching the scale to -mScaleY, then translating by getHeight * (1.0f + mReflectPortion) Apr 12 05:59:29 but it didn't draw. Apr 12 05:59:30 hmm. Apr 12 06:00:48 it's translate then scale Apr 12 06:00:54 oh that matters? Apr 12 06:01:09 romainguy_: there is no way to control an AnalogClock right? Apr 12 06:01:09 yes the order matters Apr 12 06:01:14 no idea :) Apr 12 06:01:33 ahh, so the translation then would not be relative to the scale. ok. Apr 12 06:01:41 i'll have to recompute what that value would be then :) Apr 12 06:01:49 hmm, do you know if there is any font that looks like a digital 7-segment display? Apr 12 06:02:00 jasta: the translate is just the same as your scale Apr 12 06:03:55 back to my question, hehe Apr 12 06:03:57 hmm, so the order matters, but the translate is relative to the scale that hasn't been set yet? Apr 12 06:04:17 it depends on what you mean by relative to ^^ Apr 12 06:04:19 is there a standard way to do something like a visual basic or javascript msgbox (or alert in jscript) ? Apr 12 06:04:30 like the ANR dialog, how could I do something like that? Apr 12 06:04:56 jasta: I do scale(1, -1) then translate(0, -imageHeight) Apr 12 06:05:03 what happens after apr 14? Apr 12 06:05:05 (sorry, it's scale then translate, I got it wrong again :) Apr 12 06:05:09 romainguy: but i'm not scaling by 1 :) Apr 12 06:05:09 where you folks be? Apr 12 06:05:18 jasta: why? Apr 12 06:05:31 because remember i have to scale my bitmap as well. Apr 12 06:05:36 jasta: anyway, if you're not, just translate by -imageHeight*scale Apr 12 06:05:43 ah I thought you'd prescale the image in memory Apr 12 06:05:54 no, you suggested i use canvas.scale :P Apr 12 06:06:32 oh, alertdialog Apr 12 06:06:32 duh Apr 12 06:06:55 no, canvas.scale to flip the image ^^ Apr 12 06:06:57 <-- sick and very tired :) Apr 12 06:07:10 no, you actually said to use canvas.scale for scaling the bitmap *as well* as flipping it. Apr 12 06:07:16 ah Apr 12 06:07:20 well, then do it Apr 12 06:07:21 which works Apr 12 06:07:43 but that is what i meant by "relative", since my scale is not 1. Apr 12 06:08:25 as in, i draw or translate by units relative to the original bitmap size, not relative to the screen or canvas at scale=1. Apr 12 06:10:06 well it finally works anyway Apr 12 06:10:38 romain: is your participation on this channel, official? Apr 12 06:10:46 what do you mean? Apr 12 06:10:50 though the reflection effect looks nothing like the one i was trying to copy :\ Apr 12 06:11:01 jasta: ahah Apr 12 06:11:07 well it depends a lot on the background behind it :) Apr 12 06:11:14 and the gradient you use Apr 12 06:13:34 well the one i was trying to copy actually blends color into it ;) Apr 12 06:13:40 http://www.pmptoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/appl-iphone-upgraded.jpg Apr 12 06:13:51 there's clearly a gray tint there Apr 12 06:14:02 no there's not Apr 12 06:14:13 they just have a dual white/black gradient on top Apr 12 06:14:17 as part of the controls bar Apr 12 06:14:56 can you draw a custom image on the map as markers? Apr 12 06:14:58 wouldn't a white/black gradient have...lots of gray? Apr 12 06:15:09 but it's not part of the reflection Apr 12 06:15:17 it's just an artifact of the control bar on top Apr 12 06:15:32 oh i see what you mean, so i should have my reflection effect as well as a gradient on the control bar? Apr 12 06:15:37 yes Apr 12 06:15:40 oh ok Apr 12 06:16:18 i'm feel so unproductive today. next up is definitely my perl script to pre-format my dummy collection to give to the judges. Perl will make me feel very efficient again :) Apr 12 06:16:50 i feel* Apr 12 06:17:26 jasta: you have done some good stuff with perl Apr 12 06:17:47 there's a reason they call it the swiss army chainsaw Apr 12 06:18:13 true Apr 12 06:18:28 i like the perl philosophy Apr 12 06:18:39 TIMTOWTDI? Apr 12 06:18:45 yeah Apr 12 06:19:00 not sure i remember exactly your acronym Apr 12 06:19:15 Perl is a great language. Lots of folks would find there are direct benefits to learning it well. Apr 12 06:19:26 but you know they don't force you to program in one way Apr 12 06:19:28 That said, not much reusable code should be written in it :) Apr 12 06:19:43 muthu: TIMTOWTDI is there's more than one way to do it. Apr 12 06:19:50 ah, right remember Apr 12 06:19:54 exactly! Apr 12 06:20:09 Perl is, unfortunately, not a useful language until it is internalized. Apr 12 06:20:21 If you just dabble, you'll never realize why it's a great tool. Apr 12 06:20:29 i like the power of perl Apr 12 06:20:49 Frankly, Perl has the most expressive power per keystroke as any other language I've ever encountered. Apr 12 06:20:49 within a couple of lines you can do anything Apr 12 06:21:05 but as a result it's confusing as hell to read Apr 12 06:21:07 Python is pretty good too Apr 12 06:21:12 anyone? Apr 12 06:21:17 i have a quick question Apr 12 06:21:18 not as much as Perl, but still :) Apr 12 06:21:20 python, i never got around to look into it Apr 12 06:21:28 I like it a lot Apr 12 06:21:38 nice compromise between something like perl and something like java Apr 12 06:21:44 if you have two pairs of latlong coords, is there any way to find the miles/km miles between them? Apr 12 06:21:46 I like Python as well, though I find less reason to use it. Apr 12 06:21:47 ok.. i'll check it out Apr 12 06:22:00 this is a little more complicated than using the distance formula Apr 12 06:22:19 because the spacing between longitude lines changes as one moves toward the poles. Apr 12 06:22:25 jjt001: helloandroid.com has friendfinder, driving dirctions Apr 12 06:22:29 check it out Apr 12 06:22:39 I hack lots of silly throw-away scripts. Like, for example, a script that replaces a copy of my music collection with text-to-speech encoded to Ogg :) Apr 12 06:22:39 how do I get the screen height ? Apr 12 06:22:58 muthu: that can find the mile/ kilometer distance between two latlong points? Apr 12 06:23:05 yes Apr 12 06:23:06 display metrics? Apr 12 06:23:08 driving directions Apr 12 06:23:16 muthu: awesoem Apr 12 06:23:20 #awesome Apr 12 06:23:21 thanks Apr 12 06:23:24 np Apr 12 06:23:35 jjt001: the Location object can figure out distances. Apr 12 06:23:40 muthu: so what was your subsmission? Apr 12 06:23:44 no Apr 12 06:23:51 i think zhobbs Apr 12 06:24:04 Kraln: i'll just use that then Apr 12 06:24:09 Kraln: thanks Apr 12 06:24:44 ie, Location l = new Location(). l.setLatitude(lat); l.setLongitude(lng); SomeOtherLocationObject.distanceTo(l) //in meters Apr 12 06:25:38 one more question Apr 12 06:25:47 can the android.jar libs compile under a standard vm? Apr 12 06:26:00 doubtful Apr 12 06:26:13 i'm thinking of linking some code using android functions to a non-android server Apr 12 06:26:18 would this be possible? Apr 12 06:27:00 Kraln: i guess i'll try it out Apr 12 06:30:31 oh shoot.. the market is getting drawn in the map except its not where i want Apr 12 06:30:39 *marker Apr 12 06:30:53 i was looking at the wrong place Apr 12 06:31:58 hmm, the constructor for android.view.display is private Apr 12 06:32:02 how can I get the height of the screen? Apr 12 06:32:58 there's no getHeight()? Apr 12 06:33:11 its not static Apr 12 06:33:26 you want static? Apr 12 06:33:32 I just want the screen height Apr 12 06:33:42 I can't find a way to create a Display() object, or where I can find one Apr 12 06:33:49 hmm Apr 12 06:35:29 Kraln: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/d28c363acc0b0086/ecc211538e5c27e2?lnk=gst&q=screen+height#ecc211538e5c27e2 Apr 12 06:35:46 last message Apr 12 06:36:12 gotcha, thanks Apr 12 06:43:45 I have a question about aidl and services.... anyone's specialty? Apr 12 06:44:24 probably mine :) Apr 12 06:44:26 romainguy: perfect, thanks. works great =) Apr 12 06:49:30 i am trying add a method to an interface stub Apr 12 06:49:54 michaelnovakjr: you mean through the AIDL? Apr 12 06:50:11 yes Apr 12 06:50:21 ok, what's the problem? Apr 12 06:50:22 i think the error just went away :) Apr 12 06:50:29 it was something syntax related Apr 12 06:50:35 i was looking at an m3 tutorial Apr 12 06:50:44 oh, M3 has lots of bugs with the aidl stuff Apr 12 06:51:00 also keep in mind that m5 has bugs dealing with user-defined parcelables. Apr 12 06:51:11 you can work around that by declaring your parcelables in the global framework.aidl Apr 12 06:52:05 cool thanks for the heads up Apr 12 06:59:16 i get an annoying exception Apr 12 06:59:36 Not supported in system context exception Apr 12 07:05:15 what? Apr 12 07:05:18 by just defining an aidl? Apr 12 07:05:26 trying to bind the service Apr 12 07:05:53 when i try and run the code i get that exception Apr 12 07:06:54 what throws it? Apr 12 07:07:54 runtime exception on the activity onCreate.... that is where it goes to bind the service Apr 12 07:08:32 so bindService throws it? Apr 12 07:08:54 can you package this as a simple demonstration case and i can look at it? Apr 12 07:09:02 sure Apr 12 07:10:20 http://www.pastebin.org/29173 Apr 12 07:10:26 that is the stuff in my Activity Apr 12 07:10:46 i mean the whole thing. tar it up and send it to me separated from your main app Apr 12 07:10:51 so i can see and debug the exception myself Apr 12 07:12:58 actually, im gonna go to bed :) Apr 12 07:13:04 if you send it to me in an email i can look tomorrow Apr 12 07:13:08 my e-mail is jasta@devtcg.org Apr 12 07:14:46 should i just send the exception? Apr 12 07:14:57 no, if you can isolate it that would be much more helpful ;0 Apr 12 07:14:58 its all good, thanks... sleep sounds good Apr 12 07:15:03 it would also probably get you to figure out wats wrong ;) Apr 12 07:16:04 yea Apr 12 07:55:50 does bitmapfactory.options work at all? Apr 12 07:58:42 i keep writing DeadObjectException as DeadObjectionException Apr 12 07:58:49 i can't help myself, i've done it probably 30 times Apr 12 07:59:07 jasta, what did you end up doing for resizing bitmaps? Apr 12 08:00:48 i accomplished the entire effect using canvas.scale, translate, clipRect, and drawing with a paint with a ComposeShader applied from a LinearGradient and BitmapShader Apr 12 08:00:53 as Romain suggested I do Apr 12 08:01:01 :| Apr 12 08:01:12 why? Apr 12 08:01:36 if you want i'll pastebin my ReflectionLayout Apr 12 08:01:50 for my ocr thing, because of no camera support i need to create a quick gui to display test images Apr 12 08:01:54 these images are to big Apr 12 08:02:00 so need to shrink them Apr 12 08:02:07 oh, you should use an ImageView then Apr 12 08:02:11 that will do lots of work for you Apr 12 08:02:21 using an ImageSwitcher Apr 12 08:02:21 my situation was a bit too specialized for an ImageView Apr 12 08:02:35 well you could extend ImageSwitcher if necessary. i haven't looked at that stuff though Apr 12 08:03:41 BitmapFactory.options has something that allows you to reduce the size of the image when its being read Apr 12 08:03:55 which is what I want to do :\ Apr 12 08:04:07 oh well, you can easily resize the image. Apr 12 08:04:14 if tahts all youre after Apr 12 08:04:25 ~not really Apr 12 08:04:27 look at Bitmap.createBitmap() Apr 12 08:04:31 and use a matrix to resize it Apr 12 08:04:38 hmm ok Apr 12 08:05:01 in fact, i think there's evne examples of this on android-dev Apr 12 08:05:42 hmm is Matrix a convolve filter? Apr 12 08:06:01 you'd basically just want .preScale i think. Apr 12 08:06:04 to scale down by some factor Apr 12 08:06:13 yeah Apr 12 08:23:38 Is it possible to make in-memory qlite database? Apr 12 08:29:24 i hate the 19% error Apr 12 08:48:02 duey: what error is that? Apr 12 08:48:30 in eclipse Apr 12 08:50:08 mroning Apr 12 08:58:33 http://nickjenkin.com/android/rosetta.html theres mine... ~1.5MB flash video Apr 12 08:59:05 doesnt look like much...but its photo ocr Apr 12 09:00:17 duey: nice Apr 12 09:00:38 duey: did you have any issues with internationalization? Apr 12 09:00:45 or did it go smoothly Apr 12 09:00:52 ah few issues Apr 12 09:01:01 i was proxying the translation through a php script Apr 12 09:01:05 php sucks at utf8 Apr 12 09:01:15 so i just implemented it in java Apr 12 09:01:17 don t like php either Apr 12 09:01:31 it s a cool idea Apr 12 09:18:00 duey: nice Apr 12 09:18:08 good to see in action Apr 12 09:18:43 probably should of done the business card one Apr 12 09:18:50 ocr business card add to address book Apr 12 09:18:55 but that will be next! Apr 12 09:19:28 yeah the business card Apr 12 09:19:39 that would be the idea use case Apr 12 09:20:16 duey: yes that is cool and also the pictogram thingy Apr 12 09:20:28 pictogram? Apr 12 09:20:40 I think there is already somebody working on it Apr 12 09:20:53 those images that are recognized by phones Apr 12 09:21:11 you can save data into a simple image that then is recognized easily Apr 12 09:21:16 oh Apr 12 09:21:20 give me a sec I ll find you a link Apr 12 09:21:31 yeah i think i know what you mean Apr 12 09:21:35 thats too easy! Apr 12 09:22:18 yes probably easy to setup but it would be a plus Apr 12 09:22:32 what do you use them for? Apr 12 09:23:02 is it so people can say place them on objects and let users take pictures of them to open up a website? Apr 12 09:23:08 well I have a friend who is working in the mobile world Apr 12 09:23:14 yes Apr 12 09:23:21 or on business cards Apr 12 09:23:26 or on adverts Apr 12 09:23:26 ah true Apr 12 09:23:37 i will add them to business cards! Apr 12 09:24:04 I thought I saw and android project around that a while ago, can not find it anymore... Apr 12 09:24:12 this is just pure ocr atm Apr 12 09:24:30 on good quality images Apr 12 09:24:34 its my honours project Apr 12 09:24:39 got ~8months to go Apr 12 09:24:47 by then ill be able to do complex images hopefully Apr 12 09:24:51 with lots of noise Apr 12 09:25:00 good project Apr 12 09:25:06 and finally output as voice Apr 12 09:25:11 that would be cool Apr 12 09:26:13 duey: did you use the gallery for displaying the images? Apr 12 09:26:42 ImageSwitcher Apr 12 09:26:51 its one of the demos Apr 12 09:27:19 that interface is just temporary until i can get my hands on a real device with a camera Apr 12 09:27:33 yeah I am using the same but I am having problems with onLongClick and onClick Apr 12 09:27:42 hmm im not Apr 12 09:28:04 did you manage onLongClick? Apr 12 09:28:15 didnt use longclick Apr 12 09:28:38 the onClick works but in a strange manner, I can not click with the mouse but with the keyboard I can Apr 12 09:28:42 well not very important Apr 12 09:28:49 just wonderting Apr 12 09:28:58 how do you click with the keyboard?> Apr 12 09:30:20 well you move your focus to your image and hit enter or space Apr 12 09:43:13 android projects and svn do not play nice together :( Apr 12 09:43:32 what's the problem? Apr 12 09:44:16 having issues committing ... svn is complaining that the sources files in /src and /bin/src refer to the same file Apr 12 09:47:26 raidfive: you should not add /bin* to svn Apr 12 09:47:38 yea I was kinda leaning that way Apr 12 09:48:10 svn ignore bin Apr 12 09:50:30 * davidw is not wild about all the buzz around git Apr 12 09:50:45 version control is something I'm happy to not have to upgrade often Apr 12 09:51:20 svn has been pissing me off a lot lately ... been pondering the switch Apr 12 09:55:59 now mercurial has come Apr 12 10:07:14 wow, that was a bitch to remove the bin directory for svn :P Apr 12 10:07:21 dunno what it was trying to do Apr 12 10:08:40 hi there, may i know whether all the source code of google will finanlly released? what will be the schedule? i'm interested in compiling webkit on android finally... Apr 12 10:08:57 sorry.. i mean source code of "google android", not "google" ;) Apr 12 10:10:53 haven't heard anything personally Apr 12 10:11:14 Does anyone know if it is possible to load up an application (apk) via the command line? Apr 12 10:12:37 I was to distribute my application so I can have some people test it but I don't want to require them to use eclipse (or another ide) and build the application Apr 12 10:12:56 I want* Apr 12 10:27:57 raidfive, adb install Apr 12 10:30:20 thanks Apr 12 10:58:34 hello Apr 12 10:58:54 are AlertDialogs blocking? Apr 12 10:59:21 it seems that when I pop up an alert dialog my Activity continues running, do not wait for the dialogs response Apr 12 11:45:54 can you add more then one overlay to a map? Apr 12 12:13:22 hi all Apr 12 12:43:15 hi Apr 12 12:43:49 hi acsia Apr 12 12:44:00 hi muthu, how is it going? Apr 12 12:44:06 had some sleep yet :) Apr 12 12:44:18 yeah a little Apr 12 12:44:28 putting some final touches on Apr 12 12:45:00 hum... I should do the same... Apr 12 12:45:08 you are not? Apr 12 12:45:17 well Apr 12 12:45:42 my app is in its early stages and I want to add as much functionnalities b4 sending it Apr 12 12:45:49 right Apr 12 12:45:50 I should go throught what I already have but... Apr 12 12:45:56 that's what i call "finishing touches" Apr 12 12:46:00 ;) Apr 12 12:46:00 :) Apr 12 12:46:13 there's no end for improvement Apr 12 12:46:22 so we stop somewhere and submit Apr 12 12:46:27 can you send a zip, do you know? Apr 12 12:46:44 you must sumit an apk Apr 12 12:46:47 and a zip Apr 12 12:46:53 ok cool... Apr 12 12:46:59 zip will contain README Apr 12 12:47:01 I need 2 apps for my app to work Apr 12 12:47:09 so... Apr 12 12:47:23 multiples app am not sure Apr 12 12:47:31 there were some discussions in forum Apr 12 12:48:19 hum... Apr 12 12:48:49 I created a container so... I hope they will allow it Apr 12 12:49:00 well I think it is ok Apr 12 12:49:16 I have my container that I am sending in, the other is just to show the functionnality Apr 12 12:50:01 ok Apr 12 12:50:24 what container? Apr 12 12:51:04 I am calling it a a pluggable framework for location based data clustering :) Apr 12 12:51:12 cool Apr 12 12:51:20 this is one module (the extra app) Apr 12 12:51:21 http://androforge.net/gf/project/geophoto/ Apr 12 12:51:46 this runs on top of container? Apr 12 12:51:54 yes and no Apr 12 12:51:57 it does not have to Apr 12 12:52:23 basically it registers to my container, everytime you add a new photos (or spot), it adds it to the container as well Apr 12 12:52:23 ok Apr 12 12:52:32 and tehn I use dynamic class loading to load the overlay Apr 12 12:52:32 what the container do? Apr 12 12:52:45 ok.. the container holds the data Apr 12 12:52:51 you can potentially have any application that uses and overlay to be registered to my container Apr 12 12:53:13 ok Apr 12 12:53:34 yes and no, the container links the data to a 'place' such as London, my hometown, vacation in spain etc... Apr 12 12:53:57 data clustering part ;) Apr 12 12:54:06 clustering? Apr 12 12:54:17 i'm confused why you use the word? Apr 12 12:54:43 well it cluster the data together depending on its location in the world Apr 12 12:55:01 so london is one cluster Apr 12 12:55:04 i take a photo in chennai Apr 12 12:55:07 ok.. tagging Apr 12 12:55:16 then i can see all chennai photos Apr 12 12:55:18 right> Apr 12 12:55:24 like flickr Apr 12 12:55:33 yes Apr 12 12:55:40 but the application itself is not important Apr 12 12:55:48 why? Apr 12 12:56:14 so here my module takes pictures, but it can be located podcasts, walks, friends on map, etc... Apr 12 12:56:30 its google maps then Apr 12 12:56:41 haha more or less Apr 12 12:56:47 ok Apr 12 12:56:58 acsia google maps Apr 12 12:57:06 that's the name :-D Apr 12 12:57:36 I called it topophilia :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topophilia Apr 12 12:58:08 how bout you? Apr 12 13:00:20 i'm doing a cooking show Apr 12 13:00:39 boring Apr 12 13:02:09 lol Apr 12 13:02:29 that s the beauty, we ll c all kind of apps Apr 12 13:02:36 yes Apr 12 13:02:50 i'm hoping the google chef is my judge ;) Apr 12 13:04:08 I heard he is a michelin star ;) Apr 12 13:04:09 duey: nice application Apr 12 13:04:23 pretty amazing implications Apr 12 13:05:01 soon we'll have startreck translators Apr 12 13:05:03 I agree Apr 12 13:08:44 duey: you should market your app as an amazing super powered translator for adventurous world travelers. Apr 12 13:09:03 oh, hes not here Apr 12 13:09:17 ah well I'll suggest it when he gets back. Apr 12 13:09:35 how are everyones apps doing? Apr 12 13:09:47 doing good Apr 12 13:09:54 chom hows yours Apr 12 13:10:28 Well it's now in a usable state but its a real shame the graphical elements won't be in place for submission Apr 12 13:10:55 I've went for a really happy smiley theme based on the game 'zoo keper' Apr 12 13:11:30 at the mo though it looks very plain jane Apr 12 13:11:49 lol Apr 12 13:12:10 how much is graphics important? Apr 12 13:12:15 very Apr 12 13:12:18 very very Apr 12 13:12:19 lolsaidhes Apr 12 13:12:20 :) Apr 12 13:12:26 maybe not for the comp Apr 12 13:12:32 laughing out load as I don't have enought strength Apr 12 13:13:01 arf I forgot the s -> silently Apr 12 13:13:19 but from a marketing perspective after the comp I'd recommend hiring an illustrator Apr 12 13:13:24 man I am slowly going mental Apr 12 13:13:40 been working all day? I'm just sitting down Apr 12 13:13:48 lol Apr 12 13:15:10 I had that yesterday, Apr 12 13:15:30 for 2 days, I was writing if(!(cursor == null)) Apr 12 13:15:48 I could not beleive it when I realized Apr 12 13:15:58 acsia: I'm going to be in london next weekend if you'd like to meet for a drink Apr 12 13:16:02 I was looking at it but my brain did not do any connection Apr 12 13:16:11 sure! that could be fun Apr 12 13:16:28 we can chew the android fat Apr 12 13:16:29 I think the android meetup is next monday if you are still here Apr 12 13:16:35 sadly no Apr 12 13:16:39 to bad Apr 12 13:16:59 but I'll give you my code to take with you for crit Apr 12 13:17:18 email me: charroch+android@gmail.com Apr 12 13:17:20 and everyone can steal what they like Apr 12 13:17:21 sure Apr 12 13:17:25 cool Apr 12 13:17:57 I am living in surrey but takes no time to get to london Apr 12 13:33:30 what is the best way to resize a drawable programmatically? Apr 12 13:41:09 http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=6479 Apr 12 13:41:12 liek that? Apr 12 13:42:54 well I have a drawable that I want to place in a menu as icon but it does not scale Apr 12 13:43:16 so I can not use imageView, but I could recreate a drawable which seems a bit of work... Apr 12 13:43:29 not work... more lines of code Apr 12 13:44:25 well actually yes Apr 12 13:44:33 brain dead as I told you Apr 12 13:44:34 thx Apr 12 13:44:43 it was what I was looking for Apr 12 14:25:05 acsia: one easy thing to do is use createBitmap and passing it a Matrix, use method preScale in Matrix to scale the bitmap Apr 12 14:25:30 or you can otherwise create a scaled version of the icon in beforehand Apr 12 14:25:42 thats the easiest thing to do actually Apr 12 15:13:15 It pains me to replace all my get/set methods with direct variables, but it must be done. Apr 12 15:16:25 why? Apr 12 15:18:23 its in the recommended improvements Apr 12 15:18:56 for private classes not public ones... Apr 12 15:19:00 since each method call is an access call on the object it is more efficient to just call the public variable Apr 12 15:19:06 really? Apr 12 15:19:29 It's reasonable to follow common object-oriented programming practices and have getters and setters in the public interface, but within a class you should always access fields directly. Apr 12 15:19:52 so inner class should use direct access Apr 12 15:20:07 that is how I understand it at least and it is understandable Apr 12 15:20:32 ah yes right Apr 12 15:20:45 http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/performance.html#internal_get_set Apr 12 15:21:40 If only Java had 'properties' like Python so you could later switch to using accessors without refactoring all of your code :) Apr 12 15:21:52 ;-P Apr 12 15:22:49 or ruby Apr 12 15:23:12 before android, I developed in ruby for about 2 years without touching java Apr 12 15:23:34 it s when you go back to java that you realize the power of meta language Apr 12 15:24:18 there was a talk about porting jruby to android but I think it is a bit to much Apr 12 15:30:04 Hmm.. Apr 12 15:30:24 Looks like Eclipse has a "Refactor -> Encapsulate Field" option. I suppose that could make things slightly less painful :) Apr 12 15:39:31 acsia, it's probably doable, if a bit...big Apr 12 15:39:48 the problem is also that the jruby guys are doing all kinds of cool jvm work Apr 12 15:40:47 davidw: indeed, doable but not really usable? Apr 12 15:41:14 someone will probably do it if android keeps gaining in popularity Apr 12 15:50:44 like linux on ipod Apr 12 15:51:05 fine and I am happy that it works but I can not really listen to music anymore :) Apr 12 16:14:49 hey yo Apr 12 16:14:51 hey yo Apr 12 16:14:53 what up to all Apr 12 16:15:03 i am based in california, usa Apr 12 16:15:10 anyone know when the deadline is to submit? Apr 12 16:15:59 anyone here?] Apr 12 16:17:08 monday, iirc Apr 12 16:18:09 jjt009: monday midnight afaik Apr 12 16:18:18 your time I take it Apr 12 16:18:34 btw there is no yo here Apr 12 16:22:48 anyone get a Not Supported In System Context exception working with binding services? Apr 12 16:25:48 michealnovakjr: I am nevre really dealt with services but I would look into permissions Apr 12 16:26:13 does your service use GPS for instance or something similar Apr 12 16:26:20 nope Apr 12 16:27:04 I am not really sure any further output of the exception? Apr 12 16:28:27 http://www.pastebin.org/29237 Apr 12 16:31:32 not sure... Apr 12 16:31:49 what s on line 41? Apr 12 16:32:35 thread ino Apr 12 16:32:36 info Apr 12 16:34:37 don t really know I must say, aren't services running in a deamon mode on the system? maybe the thread functionnality is not the same Apr 12 16:35:17 i have pretty much followed the tutorial to a T Apr 12 16:36:36 to bad zhobbs is not here... i think he wrote it or maybe just published it Apr 12 16:36:56 wrote what? :) Apr 12 16:37:16 the tutorial on services? :) Apr 12 16:37:24 yeah Apr 12 16:37:30 for m5? Apr 12 16:37:37 No, haven't converted it... Apr 12 16:37:39 I need to Apr 12 16:37:46 i can't get mine to run Apr 12 16:37:54 IO'm just porting my services Apr 12 16:38:04 i keep getting a Not In System Context exception Apr 12 16:38:08 They were working fine and then something changed in M5 Apr 12 16:38:15 michaelnovakjr: can you give some of the code that's failing? Apr 12 16:38:19 or post it Apr 12 16:38:22 notifications are different Apr 12 16:38:27 sure Apr 12 16:38:35 chomchom: yeah, notifications changed Apr 12 16:38:48 http://www.pastebin.org/29237 Apr 12 16:38:52 that is the exception... Apr 12 16:39:04 yeah, saw that Apr 12 16:39:13 gather the code up now Apr 12 16:39:27 this is when the service is first ran? Apr 12 16:39:38 when the app is first ran Apr 12 16:39:40 is the service in the Manifest? Apr 12 16:39:44 yep Apr 12 16:39:50 k Apr 12 16:40:41 is WeatherPhone an Activity? Apr 12 16:40:53 yes Apr 12 16:42:13 http://www.pastebin.org/29241 Apr 12 16:42:18 zhobbs:have you submitted? Apr 12 16:42:23 that is the code from the different pieces Apr 12 16:42:29 yeah, one was submitted Apr 12 16:42:38 the call to the service, the aidl and the sevice itself Apr 12 16:42:46 AccuWeather submitted it Apr 12 16:43:13 what's the best app you've seen so far? Apr 12 16:43:55 the Mosey Codes one is really cool, not sure if it'll be useful but's it's pretty sweet Apr 12 16:44:14 none have blown me away yet Apr 12 16:44:36 michaelnovakjr: can you post the block with line 41 in it? Apr 12 16:44:43 or the whole method, etc Apr 12 16:44:55 of the WeatherPhone activity? Apr 12 16:45:01 yeah Apr 12 16:45:59 you are on to something Apr 12 16:46:12 i had an old line of code there for an intent that was screwing something up Apr 12 16:46:19 i now get a nullpoint exception Apr 12 16:46:26 There's probably some really nice comercial apps that will be submitted that we haven't seen any hint of Apr 12 16:46:31 which this time is actually better :) Apr 12 16:49:56 jjt009: I think the best I've see so far is the one where it has audio for the different landmarks Apr 12 16:51:01 yeah Apr 12 16:51:27 that was pretty nice, I guess good for travel Apr 12 16:52:54 Thats really utilizing the benefits of the platform for the general public. Inevitably there will be a ton of blogging and rss feed software, but things like that I can see making a real impact on the general public away from computer crazed geeks. Apr 12 16:52:59 it works :))) Apr 12 16:53:30 I want to see one that I would install on my phone and really use it everyday, some of the LBS/social networking ones are kinda gimmicky Apr 12 16:53:51 michaelnovakjr: congrats! Apr 12 16:54:18 thanks for pointing out the obvious Apr 12 16:54:39 i had been looking at this code for 5 hours.... most of the time between 1am and 5am :0 Apr 12 16:54:53 I know what you mean Apr 12 16:55:05 I'm actually done for the most part though Apr 12 16:55:15 excellent Apr 12 16:57:18 I actually hope some really boring apps win the contest, ie: a great email client, a really nice rss reader, a slick mp3 player, etc Apr 12 16:57:59 new ideas are a good thing, but we still need to get the basics covered Apr 12 17:00:11 yeah me too Apr 12 17:00:26 I wonder if some of those were overlooked Apr 12 17:00:29 a good email client will be excellent Apr 12 17:00:49 maybe everyone's waiting for google to provide those Apr 12 17:01:01 chomchom: google will probably create one for gmail Apr 12 17:01:46 The one on the iphone is good to learn from, it's certainly not perfect. They probably will yeah, but theres no reason someone else couldn't swoop on in there an make something great Apr 12 17:02:22 I think they'll have to have one for IMAP...business people buy smartphones and they don't use gmail Apr 12 17:07:41 hi ya Apr 12 17:08:58 i'm not sure how moseycode will be used Apr 12 17:15:49 muthu: probably won't be, but I just think it's a cool demonstration of technology Apr 12 17:16:04 agree.. its cool Apr 12 17:16:13 but who'll use it Apr 12 17:24:20 muthu, zhobbs: games Apr 12 17:24:40 there is this really cool tank game that you can play like that Apr 12 17:24:52 how so? Apr 12 17:25:55 well you put the "image" on a table and it creates the virtual world Apr 12 17:26:00 with tanks on each side Apr 12 17:26:23 you can walk around it and see it in 3d and then adjust the shooting to hit the other tank Apr 12 17:26:29 let me see if I can find a link Apr 12 17:26:37 ok Apr 12 17:27:14 interesting Apr 12 17:28:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfp8id6bpDU Apr 12 17:28:34 there you go catapult Apr 12 17:28:38 not tanks... Apr 12 17:29:00 it s cool he :) Apr 12 17:32:17 thats like virtual 3d? Apr 12 17:32:50 well it is called augmented reality Apr 12 17:32:55 very cool field Apr 12 17:33:44 yeah cool Apr 12 17:33:55 wow Apr 12 17:33:57 acsia: that's really neat Apr 12 17:34:24 I'm really impressed by that. Apr 12 17:34:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKw_Mp5YkaE&feature=related Apr 12 17:35:11 cool times ahead :) Apr 12 17:35:27 I like the wii one as well Apr 12 17:35:37 you can try it if you have a wii it is really cool Apr 12 17:36:04 for those who don t know this Apr 12 17:36:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw Apr 12 17:36:11 he s been on ted.com lately Apr 12 17:36:22 I'd like to, I'm yeah I love that Apr 12 17:36:28 oops Apr 12 17:36:35 I mean yeah I love that Apr 12 17:36:50 it s so cool Apr 12 17:37:00 I am waiting for the complete augmented reality home Apr 12 17:37:12 Would really like to get into these technologies. So much infact I'd like to start a company on a related project in a year or two. Apr 12 17:37:23 I have a head tracker for flight/racing sims Apr 12 17:37:24 it s quite popular in UK and Spain Apr 12 17:37:31 if you like it that much chom, do it Apr 12 17:38:02 this is the place to be if you like stuff like that Apr 12 17:38:02 http://www.sonar.es/portal/eng/home.cfm Apr 12 17:38:06 I'm in the process, but its quite a long process. Apr 12 17:38:08 Sonar! Apr 12 17:38:11 I'll be there Apr 12 17:38:20 go there every year, love it Apr 12 17:38:26 there is another one in the uk Apr 12 17:38:29 let me find it Apr 12 17:39:41 Yeah at sonar last year they had quite a bit of these technologies. Little invisible men pushing boxes and such Apr 12 17:40:01 little invisible man Apr 12 17:40:04 wow! Apr 12 17:40:56 it s impressif because he s little Apr 12 17:40:59 :) Apr 12 17:41:13 There was a wall in a hall where when you walked in front of it it projected your reflection with someone elses face on it. People were walking around with one anothers faces Apr 12 17:41:53 http://www.fasterthansound.com/index.html Apr 12 17:42:41 I woudl love to work in that field Apr 12 17:42:44 if we are on the subject then I have to mention the big daddy reactable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4 Apr 12 17:42:46 acsia: if you come to chennai, call me Apr 12 17:42:53 and chom too Apr 12 17:42:58 you folks are interesting Apr 12 17:43:04 hey reactable" Apr 12 17:43:05 ! Apr 12 17:43:08 I ve been working on that Apr 12 17:43:15 sure muthu ;) Apr 12 17:43:22 same here if you come to london Apr 12 17:43:31 i've never been to london Apr 12 17:43:32 ractable is spanish Apr 12 17:43:36 sure Apr 12 17:43:47 or scotland Apr 12 17:43:55 chuck is cool if you like music programming Apr 12 17:43:57 yeah, its in my plans Apr 12 17:44:10 if my LBS rocks! Apr 12 17:44:15 chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ Apr 12 17:44:15 or Florida Apr 12 17:44:23 :) Apr 12 17:44:27 zhobss: man i got to meet you Apr 12 17:44:30 we should meet up if we all win somewher Apr 12 17:44:34 * zhobbs Apr 12 17:44:48 yeah, hopefully we'll all win big and take a vacation Apr 12 17:44:52 we're winning no matter what, because we're all developing great apps Apr 12 17:45:00 lol Apr 12 17:45:04 lol Apr 12 17:45:18 mine is the boring stuff you can ever hear of Apr 12 17:45:36 atleast for the challenge Apr 12 17:45:46 have you folks submitted? Apr 12 17:45:48 muthu: cooking app? Apr 12 17:45:53 oh yeah! Apr 12 17:45:59 cooking baby!! Apr 12 17:46:12 gotta eat Apr 12 17:46:17 not yet no Apr 12 17:46:26 zhobbs: let me send you some recipes ;) Apr 12 17:46:32 power your android Apr 12 17:46:36 sure, I like indian food Apr 12 17:46:42 no idea how to cook it though Apr 12 17:46:46 indian food is great Apr 12 17:46:56 just plug your phone to your kitchen and it cooks for you Apr 12 17:47:01 hehe Apr 12 17:47:14 step 1: turn on your oven Apr 12 17:47:25 step 2: heat your gphone at 300 Apr 12 17:47:30 or use phone to dial wife/girlfriend Apr 12 17:47:33 :) Apr 12 17:47:35 :) Apr 12 17:47:40 :) Apr 12 17:48:00 that would be a good app, you should have an easter egg in your application muthu Apr 12 17:48:10 oh yeah Apr 12 17:48:21 i went with simple, and chose cooking Apr 12 17:48:29 anyways i can blame it on my partner Apr 12 17:48:35 like a button: "let android cook for you" and it calls your wife/gf :) Apr 12 17:48:43 lol Apr 12 17:48:44 hah Apr 12 17:49:14 how's your weekend all? Apr 12 17:49:31 thankfully i'm not coding now Apr 12 17:49:40 it's kinda nice, I almost have no work to do Apr 12 17:50:01 both complete zhobbs Apr 12 17:50:03 ? Apr 12 17:50:11 well I ahve so much caffeine in me is like being Montana in scarface Apr 12 17:50:34 The AccuWeather app is in, working on some small stuff for TuneWiki MP3 player Apr 12 17:50:43 great Apr 12 17:50:45 TuneWiki? Apr 12 17:51:30 tunewiki.com, they have a community that put lyrics for songs up and syncs them to the songs Apr 12 17:51:58 so app will allow you to sync the song (if it doesn't have syncing data), or play synced lyrics while playing song Apr 12 17:52:06 zhobbs: do you participate in the winnings? Apr 12 17:52:14 apparently it's popular on iPhone Apr 12 17:52:36 muthu: yeah, 50/50 with accuweather Apr 12 17:52:41 great Apr 12 17:52:44 less with tunewiki Apr 12 17:52:50 ok Apr 12 17:53:47 I don t have much music with lyrics Apr 12 17:54:05 I never been able to appreciate music and listen to the lyrics at the same time Apr 12 17:54:15 acsia: techno? Apr 12 17:54:43 acsia: the lyrics thing would be a hit for non native english folks Apr 12 17:54:44 I never listen to the words...there's songs I've heard a million times and have no idea what they're saying Apr 12 17:55:30 http://www.last.fm/user/charroch/ Apr 12 17:55:35 and a pic of me ;) Apr 12 17:56:01 woah acsia Apr 12 17:56:19 muthu: ?? Apr 12 17:56:24 carl, good to meet you :) Apr 12 17:56:32 do I look young :) Apr 12 17:56:43 yes Apr 12 17:57:05 everyone is pretty young on this channel Apr 12 17:57:09 I ve been asked for Id when I go to the pub while I am 26... Apr 12 17:57:25 i understand Apr 12 17:57:39 i'm 36 btw Apr 12 17:57:57 i run a company http://mobeegal.in Apr 12 17:58:14 I remember you sent the link Apr 12 17:58:21 http://www.last.fm/user/ZachHobbs Apr 12 17:58:24 ok Apr 12 17:58:31 is it going? are you gonna specialize in mobile dev? Apr 12 17:58:42 yes, focus is on mobile Apr 12 17:58:59 zhobbs: where's you photo? Apr 12 17:59:46 don't have one Apr 12 18:00:01 you are a star, zhobbs Apr 12 18:00:11 everone wants to see who you are ;) Apr 12 18:00:16 haha Apr 12 18:00:23 lol Apr 12 18:00:47 just was lucky...was only taking 1 class when Android was anounced :) Apr 12 18:00:48 lol Apr 12 18:01:08 so I jumped on Apr 12 18:01:15 pls continue Apr 12 18:01:25 you have the skills Apr 12 18:01:28 you can make it big Apr 12 18:01:45 well...I start working soon so I'll probably be less involved Apr 12 18:02:03 which i don't understand Apr 12 18:02:32 :) Apr 12 18:02:51 you need to catch the android wave Apr 12 18:03:01 google will thank you Apr 12 18:03:05 :) Apr 12 18:03:11 yeah, they did...they sent me some tshirts Apr 12 18:03:21 i'm telling you.. keep at it Apr 12 18:03:42 helloandroid is popular Apr 12 18:03:46 I agree Apr 12 18:04:08 google need us! Apr 12 18:05:06 I'll be around Apr 12 18:05:23 actually, I'm going to really work on helloandroid Apr 12 18:05:38 the apps section sucks, hard to browse the apps Apr 12 18:06:10 working on something like this, just need to make the category selection better: http://www.helloandroid.com/apps_test/ Apr 12 18:06:59 I want to setup a rep for application in order to automate install like apt-get under ubuntu on androforge.net Apr 12 18:07:14 acsia: we're trying to organize that Apr 12 18:07:30 acsia: http://groups.google.com/group/jvending-developers/browse_thread/thread/c077eab96ccaa7fe Apr 12 18:08:12 want to nail down a standard and get as many interested parties on board as possible Apr 12 18:08:39 yeah Apr 12 18:09:00 have you decided, on the packaging? Apr 12 18:09:13 haven't gotten into it much Apr 12 18:09:33 Shane seems to have his crap together and will probably take the lead as he wrote JVending Apr 12 18:09:41 oh yeah Apr 12 18:09:49 jVending seems to be more open Apr 12 18:09:52 just joined Apr 12 18:09:59 cool Apr 12 18:10:23 btw, there is update system as intent Apr 12 18:10:34 interesting Apr 12 18:10:41 and install app, but the permission seems to be problematic with M% Apr 12 18:10:46 it is the FOTA intents Apr 12 18:10:48 yep Apr 12 18:11:01 I'm wondering if Google is going to provide this kind of app though Apr 12 18:11:24 zhobbs: what you using on server for helloandroid? Apr 12 18:11:25 probably for the main system but I doubt for third party apps Apr 12 18:11:57 a plugin system will be born Apr 12 18:12:12 muthu: linux vps (1 gig ram I think), drupal for cms Apr 12 18:12:36 drupal..hmm Apr 12 18:12:57 actually I'm pretty impressed with drupal Apr 12 18:12:58 are you happy? Apr 12 18:13:08 haven't used many others to compare though Apr 12 18:13:23 but, for example, I didn't have to write a line of code for the applications database Apr 12 18:13:44 just define a "content type" of application and define the various fields and views, etc Apr 12 18:13:45 cool.. behind the scenes it rocks Apr 12 18:13:56 can you set a more jazzy UI? Apr 12 18:14:01 sure Apr 12 18:14:13 http://drupal.org/project/Themes Apr 12 18:14:22 that theme I'm using was from some LUG somewhere Apr 12 18:14:35 put some android theme Apr 12 18:15:09 I'm not artistic Apr 12 18:15:20 drupal supports ajax? Apr 12 18:15:39 yeah, the rating system is ajax Apr 12 18:16:00 ok Apr 12 18:16:17 a facelift is in order Apr 12 18:16:28 heh, I like it... Apr 12 18:16:37 need a better logo Apr 12 18:16:55 yup Apr 12 18:16:59 but yeah, a new theme would be nice...don't want overly fancy Apr 12 18:17:19 not overly fancy.. but keeping with the android theme Apr 12 18:28:17 Is there any working M5 service tutorials out there because I'm working on it now and its like the hardest thing I think I've done in the app. It was the first thing I implemented and now I'm trying to unravel it and do it properly. Apr 12 18:28:35 what's the problem? Apr 12 18:28:48 This one is quite good for an example but its out of date: http://mylifewithandroid.blogspot.com/2008/02/double-life-of-service.html Apr 12 18:29:07 it's going to be hard to keep tutorials up to date until the api settles in Apr 12 18:30:14 The problem really is an architectural one, I need to re implement two actions as services to communicate with one another and to do that I have to get a better understanding of how they communicate with one another. It would help if there was some sort of example. Apr 12 18:30:47 you're going to have 2 services talking back and forth? Apr 12 18:31:22 Yeah, I'll explain Apr 12 18:32:52 will i be marked down heavily if my app has a few bugs Apr 12 18:33:00 I have a stopwatch. And it has a hosted service which should be hosting a time runner thread and shouting out the current time to all who are listening. I now am trying to update this time on the map overlay via contacting the service as well but the service is not implemented correctly and depends on the life of the actual stopwatch view. Apr 12 18:33:16 or is the purpose of this competition to find the best app ideas? Apr 12 18:33:32 jjt009: no one really knows Apr 12 18:33:32 basically, its an idea vs. implementation quality question Apr 12 18:33:43 quality Apr 12 18:33:48 have you seen the 4 categories? Apr 12 18:33:55 zhobbs: yea Apr 12 18:34:01 read the challenge docs Apr 12 18:34:11 it says explicitly what they are looking for and how it scores Apr 12 18:34:42 so that means that google is looking for apps that it can immediately deploy, rather than good ideas that can be nurtured into solid implementations Apr 12 18:34:50 I think that bugs can turn a judge off... Apr 12 18:35:04 jjt009: maybe there's room for both Apr 12 18:35:16 zhobbs: i guess Apr 12 18:35:23 zhobbs: when Apr 12 18:35:30 I'd think there's room for both Apr 12 18:35:33 zhobbs: are the results going to be posted Apr 12 18:35:38 May 5 Apr 12 18:35:38 who knows Apr 12 18:35:42 I'm sick of the whole thing though Apr 12 18:35:47 hehe Apr 12 18:35:55 I'll likely have a daughter at that point to worry about:-) Apr 12 18:36:07 hello Apr 12 18:36:11 davidw: congrats Apr 12 18:36:15 thanks! Apr 12 18:36:30 davidw: awesome Apr 12 18:37:09 davidw: what's your app like Apr 12 18:37:25 Hecl port -> www.hecl.org Apr 12 18:37:37 definitely in the 'good ideas to be nurtured' category Apr 12 18:37:58 hopefully they'll also be interested as I think it will help other people doing scripting language ports in the future Apr 12 18:38:00 davidw: yeah, i think mine is too Apr 12 18:38:22 I'm also doing somehing for a client, but that's Top Secret Apr 12 18:38:32 it's a pretty good idea though Apr 12 18:38:37 davidw: congrats on your daugther Apr 12 18:38:42 thanks:-) Apr 12 18:38:42 big fun Apr 12 18:38:44 davidw: not going to be submitted for this challenge Apr 12 18:38:49 jjt009, no? Apr 12 18:38:59 why not? not enough time? Apr 12 18:39:14 i'm looking at challenge II Apr 12 18:39:18 davidw: i'm talking about the client that you just mentioned Apr 12 18:40:05 ah, actually it is going to be submitted Apr 12 18:40:11 davidw: cool Apr 12 18:40:24 yeah, I've been dealing altogether too much with android lately:-) Apr 12 18:40:44 davidw: yeah, i'm definitely waiting for the source to come out Apr 12 18:40:49 I was very surprised to pick up a client Apr 12 18:40:52 that will be sweet Apr 12 18:40:56 how many active android developers are their? Apr 12 18:41:02 davidw: do you have other work also? or pretty focused on android? Apr 12 18:41:04 davidw: there's a lot of things i'd like to fix Apr 12 18:41:22 kreative: my guess is over 5000 Apr 12 18:42:02 zhobbs, I am muddling towards doing a startup Apr 12 18:42:12 cool Apr 12 18:42:24 davidw: android-related? Apr 12 18:42:38 I'd actually like to do something around Hecl Apr 12 18:42:42 but we'll see Apr 12 18:42:46 why hecl? Apr 12 18:42:55 that's his baby Apr 12 18:42:56 because I think it's a good idea:-) Apr 12 18:43:18 hecl on android Apr 12 18:43:30 the primary issues, IMO, are finding a way to make money with an open source programming language, which is trickier Apr 12 18:44:01 yeah, that's a tough sale Apr 12 18:44:08 i got to meet matt mullenweg the other day, he makes a living off wordpress Apr 12 18:44:21 cool Apr 12 18:44:32 you can make a living if your stuff is being used Apr 12 18:44:36 yea Apr 12 18:44:47 muthu, that's what I think too, so getting it out there would be the priority Apr 12 18:45:44 cool Apr 12 18:46:34 there's lots of big open source companies that make money Apr 12 18:46:36 just look at mysql Apr 12 18:47:23 it definitely makes things more difficult, though Apr 12 18:47:25 I have 2nd uncle that was on the board of VA linux Apr 12 18:48:01 he made lots of money when it IPO'd :) Apr 12 18:48:28 good to hear Apr 12 18:48:30 yeah... I bet Apr 12 18:48:53 I made some money on that one too, but I fucked up and held some of the pre-IPO shares, so didn't make as much as Icould have:-/ Apr 12 18:48:58 * davidw kicks self again Apr 12 18:49:09 nice Apr 12 18:50:00 davidw: you based in the us Apr 12 18:50:01 moral: dont hold for too long Apr 12 18:50:14 * davidw lives in Innsbruck, Austria at the moment... but... not a long term thing Apr 12 18:50:27 cool Apr 12 18:50:57 david moving back to the valley? Apr 12 18:51:39 that's the big question:-) Apr 12 18:51:47 I hate living there... but it's the center of the world for startups Apr 12 18:51:59 I'd live in Italy if I could, but the economy sucks Apr 12 18:52:09 and is even worse for my wife than for me (biotech) Apr 12 18:52:18 davidw: you should look into sophia antipolis... Apr 12 18:52:39 the biggest techopol in europe, called the silicon valley of europe Apr 12 18:52:45 technopol Apr 12 18:53:01 45 min from italy Apr 12 18:53:12 between cannes and nice Apr 12 18:53:28 i have no doubt Apr 12 18:53:34 if you want to do a startu Apr 12 18:53:38 * startup Apr 12 18:53:40 go to valley Apr 12 18:54:13 nice area Apr 12 18:54:20 dinner time though.... later guys Apr 12 18:54:26 later Apr 12 19:12:26 davidw: you hate living in silicon valley? Apr 12 19:44:25 f00f-: well, traffic sucks, living here is very expensive and it's not pretty :) Apr 12 19:45:05 I liked living on silicon valley Apr 12 19:45:08 *in Apr 12 19:45:13 I like it Apr 12 19:45:24 ... it's better than the crappy suburbs of boston Apr 12 19:45:24 but it's not the best place where I would live though Apr 12 19:47:07 rah fuck these stadiums Apr 12 19:47:16 it's always forbidden to bring a DSLR camera Apr 12 19:48:20 wtf? Apr 12 19:50:58 try philadelphia, gun shots daily :) Apr 12 19:52:35 hmm, I'm having some problems with progressdialog Apr 12 19:52:41 anyway Apr 12 19:52:44 off to the soccer game Apr 12 19:52:45 it gives me this weird window error token null not for applications thing Apr 12 19:53:26 has anyone used the ProgressDialog class? Apr 12 19:56:50 romainguy: yeah especially if you're in the city. i'm in south san jose, so it's not too bad here :) Apr 12 19:56:52 WARN/WindowManager(513): Attempted to add window with non-application token WindowToken{40040988 token=null}. Aborting. Apr 12 19:59:36 f00f-: I live in Santa Clara and Mountain View previously Apr 12 19:59:44 +d Apr 12 19:59:57 nice :) Apr 12 20:00:40 but I'm happy in San Francisco ^^ Apr 12 20:02:24 romainguy: how's the cost of living out there? Apr 12 20:02:32 quite high Apr 12 20:03:32 let's say that my rent here is higher that the salary I would have in France :) Apr 12 20:04:55 when is android expected to hit the market Apr 12 20:05:10 i just decided today to start tryin to work with it Apr 12 20:08:05 hehe, yeah rent is outrageous Apr 12 20:08:39 well today is my relaxation day... anyone else going to yuri's night at moffet field or other places around the globe? Apr 12 20:08:49 what's yuri's night? Apr 12 20:08:57 celebration of space Apr 12 20:09:08 http://bayarea.yurisnight.net/2008/index.php Apr 12 20:09:31 you could say a space expo :> Apr 12 20:09:36 what do you consider outrageous? f00f- Apr 12 20:09:54 sounds interesting Apr 12 20:10:13 well SF and NYC are totally horrible, i guess i'm getting a good deal here in the south bay Apr 12 20:10:40 yeah South Bay is nicer Apr 12 20:10:47 but my girlfriend works in San Francisco Apr 12 20:11:07 i am in NYc Apr 12 20:11:26 ah, yeah i'd like to move to the peninsula at one point Apr 12 20:11:38 closer to the ocean/water Apr 12 20:11:48 seems like less polluted air, if you're lucky :) Apr 12 20:12:21 michaelnovakjr: $2000/mo for a studio is not uncommon there right? Apr 12 20:12:39 in manhattan its not Apr 12 20:13:15 i live in brooklyn Apr 12 20:13:31 ah Apr 12 20:14:09 maybe ADC will help out with rent soon :P Apr 12 20:14:23 ok gotta go, bbl Apr 12 20:14:49 hm Apr 12 20:15:18 so im starting to work with android today, read all the documentation. yet are their any other sites out their other than googles with a community for android? Apr 12 20:17:51 kreative, let me know what u think of android though. i still deciding on where to learn obj-c for iphone, or just continue with my java for android Apr 12 20:18:31 android is better than the iphone Apr 12 20:18:48 java for android Apr 12 20:18:58 either way, it wudnt hurt to know both languages Apr 12 20:19:55 true... writing apps for os x uses objc Apr 12 20:19:57 start there Apr 12 20:20:01 java seems to be easier than obj-c Apr 12 20:20:03 forget the iphone :) Apr 12 20:20:23 more people know java, and when i get stumped i ussually can find the answers easier Apr 12 20:20:32 iphone is only a fad Apr 12 20:20:39 objc is very easy Apr 12 20:20:49 i like holding things in my hand though Apr 12 20:21:00 meaning iphone. it wasn't meant to be anything sexual Apr 12 20:21:20 * benley chuckles Apr 12 20:21:22 of course. Apr 12 20:21:34 i dont know. im loving android currently at the moment. Apr 12 20:21:50 its nice Apr 12 20:21:55 ok, i gotta get back to balancing my checkbook...oh joys.. especially when the negative red ink is in the future Apr 12 20:22:02 but being in college. i find many of my self projects take a back seat alot of the time. Apr 12 20:22:12 yeah that doesn't only happen in college Apr 12 20:22:16 heh. Apr 12 20:22:20 thanks for a rude awakening Apr 12 20:22:37 but congrats, if you are able to put your own projects on the back burner, you may actually graduate! :-) Apr 12 20:23:41 haha, college.... that was a waste of my time Apr 12 20:24:04 college was anything but a waste of time, but the classes turned out to be not-so-important for actually learning my trade Apr 12 20:24:41 that is my point Apr 12 20:24:52 i learned nothing important for my career Apr 12 20:25:01 almost zero hands on work Apr 12 20:26:46 heh Apr 12 20:27:01 id love to drop out. but with the economy. its risky Apr 12 20:27:16 i didn't drop out :) just didn't like it Apr 12 20:27:19 i recommend college, but i don't think it's necessary if you're willing to work a bit harder. Apr 12 20:30:38 yea Apr 12 20:30:47 o well. 2 years left might as well stay and see what i can do Apr 12 20:31:12 also, if you're an idiot, you really need college. Apr 12 20:31:13 100% job placement for my major at my school Apr 12 20:31:20 so its a nice fall back. Apr 12 20:31:32 not because it will help you stop being so idiotic, but simply because it will help you fool employers that you're not an idiot Apr 12 20:31:40 at least for a time :) Apr 12 20:31:42 i started going to school at nights because i was hired while in school Apr 12 20:31:52 i finished up at nights so i could start working Apr 12 20:32:02 yea iv thought of that. Apr 12 20:32:40 gotta be able to get a good job though and keep it Apr 12 20:33:15 like i said, the connections my professors and department have will help me in the long run Apr 12 20:33:48 sunguard's ceo visited the other day, matt mullenweg visited, glaxo, and many more Apr 12 20:35:02 kreative: where do you goto school? Apr 12 20:35:11 temple university Apr 12 20:35:17 keep in mind, though, that if you're serious about your trade you will not expect college to be the only avenue you need to take. Apr 12 20:35:44 yea well see Apr 12 20:38:12 parents pay for school? Apr 12 20:38:23 image button transparent background... possible? Apr 12 20:38:37 nah, i have to pay :p Apr 12 20:38:43 me too Apr 12 20:38:46 hate those kids who get everything given to them. Apr 12 20:38:55 is there a profiler for android? Apr 12 20:38:56 haha Apr 12 20:39:37 Kraln, check out http://code.google.com/android/reference/traceview.html Apr 12 20:40:32 thanks! Apr 12 20:40:35 man I would have loved to be one of those kids :) Apr 12 20:47:37 yea Apr 12 20:47:39 dont we all Apr 12 20:53:39 'so when is android expected to hit the us market? Apr 12 21:10:24 f00f-, I lived in SF, and... well, a year was great - it's a nice city, but I got tired of it. I like Europe more in many ways Apr 12 21:24:44 hey guys Apr 12 21:24:48 i'm getting a weird error Apr 12 21:25:29 E/AndroidRuntime( 5815): java.util.regex.PatternSyntaxException: Syntax error U_REGEX_RULE_SYNTAX near index 1: Apr 12 21:25:43 I'm essentially trying to use String.split Apr 12 21:25:56 on a string that i'm receiving over a network connection Apr 12 21:43:03 i know java. but want a deeper understanding of it, there are a million websites, but which do yous recommend Apr 12 21:49:53 http://java.sun.com/javase/reference/tutorials.jsp Apr 12 21:53:00 thanks. ill give it a look. think iv already seen it though. Apr 12 21:53:22 http://java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/essentials/ for the real beginner stuff Apr 12 22:24:17 :/ This is going to be a night of aidl. Apr 12 22:24:39 chomchom, this is going to be a night of no sleep Apr 12 22:24:58 none at all. But I have the red bull here Apr 12 22:25:24 coffee and tea for me Apr 12 22:26:34 Oh, and also my tobacco. Apr 12 22:27:07 ALthough the stuff I've got just now isn't that good :( . Apr 12 22:28:26 get some green :P Apr 12 22:28:31 really become creative Apr 12 22:29:25 4/20 only 6 days away Apr 12 22:30:32 Rumor has it that green and programming aren't the best of bed partners. Apr 12 22:30:51 finally got this race condition to reproduce :/ Apr 12 22:31:19 i still have until tuesday my time :d Apr 12 22:31:45 finished mine last night Apr 12 22:31:47 got a few touch ups Apr 12 22:35:19 chomchom: back in business? Apr 12 22:35:27 had my red bull already Apr 12 22:37:40 Yeah, but I'm in two minds if I'll actually get this working tonight. Its pretty puzzling. It works just now but its only working with a stubbed out route. Now I'm moving to remote interfaces it's a bit of a bother. Bit of silly mistake to leave it until so late. Apr 12 22:40:30 In fact what am I saying, of course I'll get it working. I'm the mighty chomchom! Apr 12 22:41:38 that s the spirit Apr 12 22:41:43 :) Apr 12 22:42:23 I have the same, 2 hours ago I was very positive,,, now I am looking at the screen completely numb Apr 12 22:42:38 lack of sleep -> mood changes Apr 12 22:43:35 waiting for the red bull to kick in Apr 12 22:44:05 has anybody used the ZoomSlider? Apr 12 22:44:20 it kinda works but it behaves quite strangely Apr 12 22:44:31 can anybody confirm that it is not buggy? Apr 12 22:44:58 the zoom slider on the map Apr 12 22:45:10 the one where you hold down and zoom in and out? Apr 12 23:02:51 i am trying to set a button in a list view with an onclick Apr 12 23:03:16 the setcontentview is set to the list, but the button is in a separate file for the row layouts Apr 12 23:18:08 * davidw contemplates having his whole app be an http request for the actual script, so that I can keep working on mine after the deadline:-) Apr 12 23:18:52 this invalidating views stuff is crap Apr 12 23:19:45 davidw, lol! Apr 12 23:19:55 only some of mine is Apr 12 23:22:35 \(*^_^*)/ - Yay! Apr 12 23:23:07 aidl has been conquered and the clouds have parted slightly Apr 12 23:25:48 :) Apr 12 23:33:38 hello Apr 12 23:33:52 I need to initialize a View but not in the constructor Apr 12 23:33:58 what other methods are valid? Apr 12 23:35:36 what do you mean initialize a View not in the constructor? Apr 12 23:36:25 like onCreate for an activity Apr 12 23:36:46 the point is that a call a method in the constructor which sets a property of the View Apr 12 23:36:56 but that property is still not available Apr 12 23:37:41 maybe not the property but the View Apr 12 23:38:46 I don't understand your question Apr 12 23:39:03 Why don't you just do it in the constructor? Apr 12 23:40:33 everyone finished yet? Apr 12 23:40:51 no Apr 12 23:40:55 no :) Apr 12 23:40:56 aw Apr 12 23:42:02 i have almost finished Apr 12 23:42:08 just got to go take some example pictures Apr 12 23:45:46 romainguy: the point is I have an Activity with a mView, and in the constructor of the View I call a method of the Activity which sets a property of the mView which doesnt exist yet xD Apr 12 23:45:55 this is crazy, I have to rearrange this Apr 12 23:46:00 er yes Apr 12 23:46:16 Views should not need to know about Activities Apr 12 23:46:29 i have a view related question Apr 12 23:47:05 i am working with my list view rows... i have an image button in there, i want to set the onClick when the activity is created... but I cant seem to invalidate the view Apr 12 23:49:27 if you have setContentView(location_list) and you want to set the onClick for an element in 'location_row' how can you invalidate that view? Apr 12 23:53:55 anyone?? Apr 12 23:54:49 hey Apr 12 23:54:51 how's it going Apr 12 23:55:40 michaelnovakjr: onListItemClick? Apr 12 23:55:49 is your class a ListActivity Apr 12 23:56:00 nope, i am talking about an ImageButton click Apr 12 23:56:08 ah Apr 12 23:56:08 yes, its a ListActivity Apr 12 23:56:26 you're trying to invalidate the View (ImageButton) Apr 12 23:56:50 i've tried invalidating everything to get it to redraw Apr 12 23:57:13 and then? Apr 12 23:57:24 ? Apr 12 23:57:31 it is not working Apr 12 23:57:35 v.invalidate() Apr 12 23:57:40 ? Apr 12 23:57:41 oh yea, no it doesn't work Apr 12 23:57:51 you can also invalidate a rect, I think Apr 12 23:58:07 try to get the rect of the area you want to invalidate Apr 12 23:58:10 michaelnovakjr: i'm not too familiar with ImageButtons Apr 12 23:58:52 you are supposed to invalidate before or after you make the modifications? Apr 12 23:58:54 i have a few activities that call each other Apr 12 23:59:19 when i call finish () on one of the subactivities, android does not close the whole application Apr 12 23:59:23 how can i close the whole app? Apr 12 23:59:36 from a subactivity, i mean Apr 12 23:59:54 michaelnovakjt: I usually invalidate after modifying Apr 13 00:00:13 thanks Apr 13 00:00:38 I think that makes sense, redraw view if there were modifications to reflect them Apr 13 00:00:47 yea Apr 13 00:00:50 that is how i have it Apr 13 00:00:59 i am using the ViewInflate Apr 13 00:01:55 I do not know, I tried validate with a View and it worked Apr 13 00:02:22 was it part of your layout defined by setContentView? Apr 13 00:02:50 let me see Apr 13 00:03:31 I dont inflate my view from any xml resource Apr 13 00:03:50 I create my own View, draw things in, and attached to an Activity with a setContentView Apr 13 00:04:33 ah Apr 13 00:04:46 that works for me, but if i am trying to use ViewInflate it doesn't Apr 13 00:05:06 maybe that was the point Apr 13 00:07:01 anyone know Apr 13 00:07:16 i'm trying to end an entire application from within a subactivity Apr 13 00:07:33 how can i do this? Apr 13 00:08:14 setResult() and then finish() Apr 13 00:08:36 setResult(RESULT_OK, null, extra) Apr 13 00:10:27 do i have to have any receiver methods in my caller activities? Apr 13 00:10:35 or does android finish all of them automatically? Apr 13 00:11:33 jjt009: once you finish an activity (with finish) the method onActivityResult of you caller activity comes up Apr 13 00:11:59 jj009: there examine what were the results from your calling activity, an operate according to them Apr 13 00:12:06 aha Apr 13 00:12:08 ok thanks Apr 13 00:14:46 hold on Apr 13 00:14:52 setResult is a method of Activity? Apr 13 00:19:06 yes Apr 13 00:19:25 is there any benefit of settting a onclicklistener with a cancel dialog box? Apr 13 00:19:31 like in the AlertDialog exemple? Apr 13 00:19:59 is there any drawback putting it to null? Apr 13 00:21:05 well i assume when one cancels a dialog box that you want to have some activity stop happening? Apr 13 00:22:23 no I don t Apr 13 00:22:28 I just want to dismiss it Apr 13 00:22:36 like here: http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m3-to-m5/m5-api-changes.html Apr 13 00:22:50 but in the example they put a listener that don t do anything Apr 13 00:23:08 I was just wondering if there is a drawback to put it to null, let me give it a try actually Apr 13 00:23:30 it might not close the window but i doubt it Apr 13 00:24:16 still closes it... hum... Apr 13 00:24:49 I ll leave to null they might just want to show the benefit in the exemple... Apr 13 00:25:10 maybe Apr 13 00:25:17 talking about dialogs Apr 13 00:25:38 I saw they are not blocking Apr 13 00:25:56 http://pastebin.com/m36aa876c Apr 13 00:26:02 I mean, I pop up a dialog, but my activity continued running Apr 13 00:26:17 is there any way to made them blocking? Apr 13 00:26:17 the code is my finish set that i have implemented throughout my app Apr 13 00:26:25 somehow it seems to not be working] Apr 13 00:26:26 I would use a handler Apr 13 00:26:41 http://flickr.com/photos/kraln/tags/android/ *g* =) Apr 13 00:27:21 http://nickjenkin.com/android/rosetta.html Apr 13 00:27:32 jjt009 you need a break in the switch for a start Apr 13 00:28:23 and it is onMenuItemSelected Apr 13 00:28:49 duey: why is that better as an android application than as a web application? Apr 13 00:29:05 because you cant take photos with web applications Apr 13 00:29:15 cool Apr 13 00:29:16 swish. gj =) Apr 13 00:29:21 thanks man Apr 13 00:29:29 np Apr 13 00:29:31 take a photo, ocr it, and translate it Apr 13 00:29:42 of a sign for example Apr 13 00:29:47 * Kraln nods Apr 13 00:30:08 could also do business cards and add it to your contacts Apr 13 00:32:18 cool project duey, that'll be very useful. Apr 13 00:32:30 if you are a traveller yeah Apr 13 00:32:50 beats a translation book Apr 13 00:33:52 Kraln, is yours irc? Apr 13 00:34:00 how accurate does the photo have to be for the OCR to parse it properly? Apr 13 00:34:01 irc with locations? Apr 13 00:34:04 duey: irc with locations =) Apr 13 00:34:21 tmcneal, currently its "very accurate", but working on changing that atm :) Apr 13 00:34:27 acsia: still isn't working Apr 13 00:34:34 changed function to onMenuItemSelected Apr 13 00:34:40 and added a break Apr 13 00:34:43 duey: it coalesced rather well, I think Apr 13 00:34:59 Kraln, so how does it work? Apr 13 00:35:05 if you want to check it out, the apk is in subversion, http://androidchat.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/androidchat/bin/androidChat.apk Apr 13 00:35:18 ill have a look Apr 13 00:35:20 and with mobile phones getting embedded cameras in the 2+ megapixel range, taking a sufficiently accurate shot shouldn't be too hard Apr 13 00:35:23 duey: extensions to the ircd + protocol extensions Apr 13 00:35:30 tmcneal, yeah thats the plan Apr 13 00:35:45 jjt009: you misunderstand the usage Apr 13 00:35:48 I still have to write up a wealth of documentation for it Apr 13 00:35:48 the n95 has a 5MP camera Apr 13 00:35:51 you have a parent activity Apr 13 00:36:02 in the parent you use this.startSubActivity Apr 13 00:36:07 there's a rumor the new iphone's getting a 5MP camera Apr 13 00:36:13 probably Apr 13 00:36:18 in the child activity, you set the result and finish Apr 13 00:36:31 it will return to the parent activity and land in the onActivityResult Apr 13 00:36:43 i want to try and move the ocr onto the device Apr 13 00:36:46 romainguy: i took your advice and decided to utilize long clicks for my interface. Apr 13 00:36:50 just a matter of speed realy Apr 13 00:37:01 romainguy: i also decided to have enqueue not be the default behaviour, but instead be accessible in the long click menu Apr 13 00:37:04 ahh, so right now it uploads it to a server, server does the ocr and returns with output? Apr 13 00:37:08 yeah Apr 13 00:37:12 interesting Apr 13 00:37:13 faster.. Apr 13 00:37:32 duey: depend if you become popular ;) Apr 13 00:37:36 ascia: exactly Apr 13 00:37:37 true hahha Apr 13 00:37:39 ascia: iknow Apr 13 00:37:57 ascia: it still somehow is not working Apr 13 00:37:59 more motivation to move it on device Apr 13 00:38:39 or use google's app engine Apr 13 00:38:49 yeah I had that idea too Apr 13 00:39:03 would just have to port to python Apr 13 00:39:10 jjt009: your paste has the set result and onActivityResult in the same activity Apr 13 00:39:27 I hope they port google app engine to ruby Apr 13 00:39:35 :\ Apr 13 00:39:37 i don't Apr 13 00:39:37 lol Apr 13 00:39:48 or at least a ruby interface Apr 13 00:39:55 I can't stand ruby Apr 13 00:39:55 acsia: the onActivityResult is for any subactivities that the posted activity needs to call Apr 13 00:40:27 I really enjoy it Apr 13 00:40:34 i was hoping they'd make it compatible with java :) Apr 13 00:41:30 the onActivity should be implemented in the caller activity and the result set in the callee Apr 13 00:41:45 I am getting into erlang next Apr 13 00:41:47 urd o Apr 13 00:41:53 yes i've done that Apr 13 00:43:01 can you post what you have in your caller and callee activity Apr 13 00:43:02 ? Apr 13 00:43:31 alright Apr 13 00:43:36 let me get pastebin set Apr 13 00:44:15 is there any smaller EditText or is that the 'default you should use' size? Apr 13 00:45:10 http://pastebin.com/m4b7f47f8 Apr 13 00:45:37 should be enough to determine the problem Apr 13 00:45:43 duey: how'd you get that progress dialog to open? I had all sorts of silly issues when I tried that with my app Apr 13 00:46:17 duey: your app's an image text to String text converter? Apr 13 00:46:27 and translation Apr 13 00:46:28 mProgressDialog = ProgressDialog.show(this, Apr 13 00:46:28 "Translating", "Initiating...", true, true, this); Apr 13 00:46:42 you need to use Messages to change the text Apr 13 00:46:54 (if you are trying to change the text from another thread) Apr 13 00:46:59 duey: how'd you manage to do that? Apr 13 00:47:20 machine learning? Apr 13 00:47:20 some kind of image signature software? Apr 13 00:47:30 duey: ah Apr 13 00:48:10 acsia: did you look at the paste? Apr 13 00:48:10 acsia: is there any smaller EditText or is that the 'default you should use' size? << it's the default size, but we recently updated these assets, they are a bit smaller now Apr 13 00:48:16 just don't worry about it :) Apr 13 00:48:24 romainguy: you're working for google? Apr 13 00:48:37 yes Apr 13 00:48:40 first you apply filters to the image to get it looking good, then extract features and then put it into a machine learning algo like SVM or baysian networks Apr 13 00:48:46 romainguy: awesome Apr 13 00:48:55 jjt009: I work on Android's UI toolkit Apr 13 00:49:07 romainguy: did you make the pictures of the dogs? Apr 13 00:49:10 romainguy: suggestion: use smaller widgets Apr 13 00:49:19 they scare me Apr 13 00:49:21 i think that's what the others were saying Apr 13 00:49:24 jjt009: no Apr 13 00:49:35 jjt009: these widgets have the right size on actual devices to be used with fingers Apr 13 00:49:43 romainguy: ok Apr 13 00:49:43 romainguy.... i hate viewinflates! Apr 13 00:49:51 romainguy: they seemed enormous on the em Apr 13 00:49:52 physical screens are much smaller than what you see on your screen Apr 13 00:50:03 romainguy: that makes sense Apr 13 00:50:03 duey: I just realized that in that build you can't join channels from the channels map screen... Apr 13 00:50:09 lol Apr 13 00:50:11 michaelnovakjr: why? Apr 13 00:50:11 unless you have a 12 inch 1280x1024 monitor or something Apr 13 00:50:18 Kraln, cant try it out until tonight Apr 13 00:50:21 duey: no, the dogs are not my pictures :) Apr 13 00:50:25 lol Apr 13 00:50:27 i cant get my list view to invalidate Apr 13 00:50:27 jjt009: that's because the actual devices are like 160dpi Apr 13 00:50:27 jjt009: did you start the subActivity as subActivity? Apr 13 00:50:47 piccaso picked them up on my computer Apr 13 00:50:48 Kraln: true Apr 13 00:50:53 a computer screen is usually between 72 and 120dpi (but most often around 96dpi) Apr 13 00:50:55 acsia: yep Apr 13 00:50:59 hum Apr 13 00:50:59 and a cellphone is indeed around 160dpi Apr 13 00:51:00 romainguy: i am having issues updating something in the row layout of my list view Apr 13 00:51:02 now piccaso is full of dog pictures Apr 13 00:51:04 method startSubActivity Apr 13 00:51:35 romainguy: when's your next planned release? Apr 13 00:51:38 do you log it somehow? Apr 13 00:51:43 jjt009: I can't tell you :) Apr 13 00:51:44 jjt009 he wont tell you :) Apr 13 00:51:47 haha Apr 13 00:52:04 romainguy: you in touch with dan morrill? Apr 13 00:52:13 acsia: what do you mean by that? Apr 13 00:52:33 well do you use Log.i() in order to check what is happening? Apr 13 00:52:41 no i don't Apr 13 00:52:49 let me try that Apr 13 00:52:50 here basically both activities finishes when you click Apr 13 00:52:59 the caller and callee Apr 13 00:53:02 is that what you want? Apr 13 00:53:04 exactly Apr 13 00:53:08 jjt009: yes why? Apr 13 00:53:12 but they don't close Apr 13 00:53:26 michaelnovakjr: what's your problem with listview? Apr 13 00:53:28 romainguy: he seemed like the main pr guy Apr 13 00:53:57 jjt009, hes around here sometimes Apr 13 00:53:59 jjt009: Dan is part of the outreach team, I'm just an engineer :) Apr 13 00:54:12 romainguy: ok Apr 13 00:54:14 actually hes in here now :) Apr 13 00:54:20 he's lurking Apr 13 00:54:26 making sure I don't say anything bad :p Apr 13 00:54:27 his name is? Apr 13 00:54:31 lol Apr 13 00:54:56 romainguy: can you check my code Apr 13 00:54:59 :| Apr 13 00:55:03 romainguy, i have an image button in the row and I am trying to add an onclick to it but because the listview and the row layout are two separate xml files i am having a hard time invalidating the view Apr 13 00:55:05 romainguy: http://pastebin.com/m4b7f47f8 Apr 13 00:55:25 my apps don't close when i hit the exit menu item Apr 13 00:55:52 jjt009: apps are not supposed to have an exit button :) Apr 13 00:55:57 romainguy: is there a monospaced font available? Apr 13 00:57:26 Kraln: I believe that the Droid font has a Sans Mono variation Apr 13 00:57:29 romainguy: hmm? Apr 13 00:57:37 play. cpp; Apr 13 00:57:40 okay, cool* Apr 13 00:57:52 romainguy: i think mine requires one Apr 13 00:57:55 romainguy: can you change the look of a ZoomSlider? it seems not implemented yet Apr 13 00:58:33 romainguy: my app has a few parts, and if someone is in one of the middle parts and decides they want to close the app and go back to its start, what do they do? Apr 13 00:58:38 romainguy: am I right in assuming that in some later build editboxes will have on-screen keyboards for phones without qwerty? Apr 13 00:58:42 jjt009: press back? Apr 13 00:58:46 you say your from google and your the most popular guy ;) guess you should have said you're from microsoft :P Apr 13 00:58:53 Kraln: I can't tell :) Apr 13 00:59:18 romainguy: your emoticon tells me enough =) Apr 13 00:59:23 isn't it cleaner to have an exit button than to have a user press back five or six times? Apr 13 00:59:30 Kraln: they don't tell anything Apr 13 00:59:41 it tells me you're in a good mood! =) Apr 13 00:59:42 acsia: the ZoomeSlider works in the next SDK Apr 13 00:59:58 jjt009: they can press Home too :) Apr 13 01:00:08 thx Apr 13 01:00:23 romainguy: no but when the click the app again, android brings it back to the screen on which they left off Apr 13 01:01:26 romainguy: one last question - is there a way to prevent a scrollview from scrolling past the bottom? Apr 13 01:01:48 it should do that by default Apr 13 01:01:52 is this possible romainguy, i have an image button in the row and I am trying to add an onclick to it but because the listview and the row layout are two separate xml files i am having a hard time invalidating the view... i have wasted hours of my life on this that i won't get back Apr 13 01:03:34 romainguy: it should? good, then I'm not doing anything wrong (it doesn't) Apr 13 01:03:46 should I submit a bug report? or Apr 13 01:04:01 Kraln: it's definitely been fixed Apr 13 01:05:18 romainguy: I love you! I've been fighting with that constantly Apr 13 01:05:37 Kraln: that said you could also override scrollBy and scrollTo Apr 13 01:05:53 michaelnovakjr: why do you want to invalidate the view? Apr 13 01:06:08 romainguy: and the ListView normally won't even give your view a chance to receive the onClick Apr 13 01:06:19 romainguy: i guess you're right Apr 13 01:06:20 ok Apr 13 01:06:28 which is why it should refresh Apr 13 01:06:35 jjt009: well if you implement such a feature, don't name it exit Apr 13 01:06:40 because it won't really quit the app Apr 13 01:07:03 what you want is more like a cancel, start over, home activity, or whatever Apr 13 01:07:10 but the name exit might be misleading Apr 13 01:07:23 michaelnovakjr: why should it refresh? Apr 13 01:07:40 romainguy, how else can i add the onClick after the fact? Apr 13 01:07:51 uh? Apr 13 01:07:59 for the imagebutton Apr 13 01:08:08 or is that just not possible? Apr 13 01:08:21 what's the relationship between the onclick and invalidate? Apr 13 01:09:07 romainguy: am I going to get dinged if my application misbehaves because of sdk errata? Apr 13 01:09:09 the listview generates and the image button doesn't register the onclick, so in the onCreate method i attempt to set it ... but it doesn't actually do the onClick event Apr 13 01:09:19 er, I said last question before. heh sorry Apr 13 01:12:39 romainguy: so what's it like working at google? Apr 13 01:15:29 i guess it's top secret Apr 13 01:15:38 anyway, i have a question Apr 13 01:16:08 i have a list of addresses, and i want to open a maps page with the directions from the user's current location to the address Apr 13 01:16:12 how can i do this? Apr 13 01:16:20 with what intent? Apr 13 01:16:58 jjt009: you've entered the "JFGI" realm Apr 13 01:17:05 J means just, and gi means google it Apr 13 01:17:15 and f means? Apr 13 01:17:24 lol Apr 13 01:17:39 http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/apis/lbs.html Apr 13 01:18:05 Kraln: thanks Apr 13 01:20:52 i have an embarrassing question :) Apr 13 01:21:08 how do i insert an umlauted u on a US qwerty keyboard with GNOME? :) Apr 13 01:21:17 i cant figure it out hehe Apr 13 01:22:00 copy and paste it from somewhere Apr 13 01:22:01 :D Apr 13 01:22:22 i don't know how to do it in windows Apr 13 01:22:26 can do it in mac Apr 13 01:22:59 i didn't say windows Apr 13 01:23:03 yeah Apr 13 01:23:15 is there a GnuCharacterMap application on linux? :) Apr 13 01:25:08 i always thought that GTK/GNOME had an internationalized input method as the default? Apr 13 01:25:16 so i could just type some magic and make it do it Apr 13 01:27:11 do you have a compose key? Apr 13 01:27:27 I'd set the right windows key to 'compose" Apr 13 01:27:32 then you can just compose-u Apr 13 01:27:45 (open a terminal, setxkbmap -option compose:rwin) Apr 13 01:28:20 oh well, i just copied from last.fm :) Apr 13 01:29:54 i think i'm going on 10 hours of dev time this weekend so far ;) Apr 13 01:30:05 i bet i will make it to 30 before i submit Apr 13 01:31:33 jasta: I've been working non-stop since thursday night Apr 13 01:34:45 jasta: did you see? http://code.google.com/p/androidchat/ Apr 13 01:35:04 got any pics/movies of yours jasta ? Apr 13 01:35:13 or are you still working hard Apr 13 01:37:12 hey dudes Apr 13 01:37:21 i don't actually want to create a MapActivity Apr 13 01:37:27 I just want Google Maps to open Apr 13 01:37:35 and find directions based on input i give it Apr 13 01:37:44 how the f*** do i do this? Apr 13 01:37:55 duey: no, i'm wanting to create a video but i just don't have all my bases covered yet Apr 13 01:38:00 the video would exclude obvious things not working yet ;) Apr 13 01:38:08 ah Apr 13 01:38:12 jasta: you know? Apr 13 01:38:31 Kraln: ive tried several times to register my project on google code but cant because of some douche bag holding the project name on sf.net for some stupid card game Apr 13 01:38:43 wtf what a douche Apr 13 01:39:07 ah, that sucks. Apr 13 01:39:09 but anyway, does anyone know how to do this? Apr 13 01:39:17 he either is responding no to my request, or not responding at all. i've emailed google about it twice and havent gotten a response Apr 13 01:39:30 it's really frustrating Apr 13 01:39:39 jasta: you know? Apr 13 01:39:52 no sorry, i have done nothing with the maps system Apr 13 01:40:00 anyone here? Apr 13 01:40:03 Kraln:? Apr 13 01:40:14 jjt009: jfgi Apr 13 01:40:18 i tried to jfgi Apr 13 01:40:23 i failed Apr 13 01:40:40 jjt009: you want to display a map, but not have it be a mapactivity? Apr 13 01:40:50 tmcneal: right on Apr 13 01:40:51 jasta, does google code check if the project exists on sf? Apr 13 01:40:53 use mapview Apr 13 01:40:58 duey: yes Apr 13 01:41:03 that sucks :| Apr 13 01:41:09 ok Apr 13 01:41:10 thanks Apr 13 01:41:17 and if it does it requires that the sf project owner authorize your request to create a project with the same name Apr 13 01:41:17 i guess i can understand why Apr 13 01:41:30 which i appreciate, but i dont get why i cant get through to anyone. Apr 13 01:41:32 but actually, i wanted to know if there was a way to just open the maps application already on the phone Apr 13 01:41:33 prefix your project with android? Apr 13 01:41:42 this guy's project is clearly abandoned. last commit was in 2003, and it is just a very simple card game! Apr 13 01:41:57 get sf.net to cancel it Apr 13 01:41:57 maybe he's on vacation Apr 13 01:41:59 or something. oh actually it's an H5 game Apr 13 01:42:09 tmcneal: any way to do that? Apr 13 01:42:15 apply for a sf.net project and use the same name and request project cancellation Apr 13 01:42:45 jjt009: to my knowledge the only way you could interface with the Map application on the phone is through a ContentProvider, and I haven't seen information on a ContentProvider for that app Apr 13 01:43:16 i do some similar things that the map application does on my own app, but I wrote my own mapactivity to do it... Apr 13 01:44:27 tmcneal: and if i open a mapview, is there a way to show directions from point a to point b Apr 13 01:44:30 i mean text directions Apr 13 01:44:42 i am not sure, never did anything like that Apr 13 01:44:54 ok i'll just try it out then Apr 13 01:44:55 thanks Apr 13 01:45:18 have you checked for any tutorials on anddev.org? i know plusminus is doing a navigation application and he might have posted some information on his site. Apr 13 02:16:20 this sucks. it was beautiful all day today. i bet i could have even gone camping this weekend Apr 13 02:16:55 haven't left all day :) Apr 13 02:17:03 same here Apr 13 02:19:26 its still beautiful out :) Apr 13 02:21:19 I need some help about android JNI.Where can I find it .Somebody help.... Apr 13 02:27:01 Man I love camping. Can't wait until summer Apr 13 02:28:13 why cant you wait???? ;) Apr 13 02:28:26 It's the only way to see Scotland for real. Waking up to the crisp clean air and walking out across beautiful scenery and looking out over huge lochs that are like mirrors. Apr 13 02:29:01 I can't wait because it's like the only time in Scotland where the possibility of rain drops below 80% Apr 13 02:29:25 ok you are to a picinic to scotland... Apr 13 02:30:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D364ReDaZ3o Apr 13 02:30:42 that's trippy Apr 13 02:33:13 Those are awesome Apr 13 02:33:47 awesome indeed Apr 13 02:33:58 too weird for me man :) Apr 13 02:34:12 I really hope those become popular Apr 13 02:35:37 thats pretty cool Apr 13 02:35:44 who ever did this, two thumbs up.Congrats.... Apr 13 02:37:31 lots of chatter on android-challenge Apr 13 02:38:00 I submitted mine already Apr 13 02:39:16 BOjangles:what's your project... Apr 13 02:40:09 Sadly, I can't talk about it until after the deadline. Apr 13 02:41:53 why not Apr 13 02:42:03 boss says not to Apr 13 02:42:04 scared someone will copy you with 1 day to go ? Apr 13 02:42:06 oh ok Apr 13 02:42:09 i don't get the purpose of that youtube clip? Apr 13 02:42:13 haha Apr 13 02:42:16 not much I can do about it Apr 13 02:42:46 jasta, did you see mine? Apr 13 02:42:50 duey: no? Apr 13 02:43:01 http://nickjenkin.com/android/rosetta.html Apr 13 02:43:08 its pretty simple Apr 13 02:43:15 (well the gui is) Apr 13 02:43:48 that is a seriously cool concept. Apr 13 02:43:55 that's cool Apr 13 02:44:07 but i don't get the screen cast, was that a real picture you took with a mobile camera? Apr 13 02:44:25 yeah Apr 13 02:44:30 it looks more like a pdf, which wouldn't be very practical :) Apr 13 02:44:34 well Apr 13 02:44:40 i printed a pdf onto paper Apr 13 02:44:44 what a good new phone out there Apr 13 02:44:45 and then took a picture on it Apr 13 02:44:47 of Apr 13 02:44:49 duey: right, ok Apr 13 02:44:56 duey: it supports english only? Apr 13 02:44:59 for now Apr 13 02:45:11 i still think this idea is really cool Apr 13 02:45:30 i can add latin language support pretty easily Apr 13 02:45:41 chinese etc gets a bit complicated as it requires a different ocr appraoch Apr 13 02:45:44 I need some help about android JNI.Where can I find it .Somebody help.... Apr 13 02:45:45 Did you write the translation system or are you bouncing it off of another service? Apr 13 02:45:53 google translate Apr 13 02:46:35 got it Apr 13 02:47:11 It's a good idea Apr 13 02:49:02 hurry up and make avideo of yours jasta 11 Apr 13 02:49:03 !! Apr 13 02:49:09 hehe Apr 13 02:49:22 soon, soon :) Apr 13 02:49:37 i'm trying to draw a playlist icon Apr 13 02:49:54 by hand? Apr 13 02:49:59 well, with gimp Apr 13 02:50:04 what lingo are you using Apr 13 02:50:17 have a look at itunes one Apr 13 02:50:20 modify it a little Apr 13 02:50:38 that would be illegal Apr 13 02:50:47 you can always change it later Apr 13 02:50:55 theres is hardly unique Apr 13 02:50:59 i couldn't submit it to the ADC that way Apr 13 02:51:05 the ADC specifically mentions that your app can't violate copyrights Apr 13 02:51:08 oh ok Apr 13 02:54:04 i tihnk i need a better name for mine Apr 13 02:54:11 what's it called? Apr 13 02:54:13 What's the name? Apr 13 02:54:13 pretty sure rosetta violates copyrights Apr 13 02:54:24 a name can't violate copyrights, only trademarks. Apr 13 02:54:26 trademark Apr 13 02:54:28 not copyright Apr 13 02:54:30 trademark then Apr 13 02:54:33 I need some help about android JNI.Where can I find it .Somebody help.... Apr 13 02:54:46 also, a common name is immune to trademark enforcement. Apr 13 02:54:52 hmm cool Apr 13 02:54:56 that is, one which is given to people at birth. Apr 13 02:55:02 those cannot be enforced Apr 13 02:55:08 Duey, is your name rosetta? Apr 13 02:55:14 na lol Apr 13 02:55:17 rosetta stone Apr 13 02:55:18 my project's name is Five. Apr 13 02:55:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone Apr 13 02:55:46 I know ;-) Apr 13 02:56:27 I need some help about android JNI.Where can I find it .Somebody help.... Apr 13 02:56:42 atmishere: please shut up Apr 13 02:56:46 :) Apr 13 02:57:09 :D Apr 13 02:57:34 If you know please help otherwise let others help ;) Apr 13 02:57:50 atmishere: Nobody new has joined, and nobody here knows or cares to help you Apr 13 02:57:52 So please, shut up. Apr 13 02:58:22 We let you get away with it like 4 times, it's time to stop Apr 13 02:58:23 thanx...n bye... Apr 13 02:58:31 lol Apr 13 02:58:33 http://davanum.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/android-invoke-jni-based-methods-bridging-cc-and-java/ Apr 13 02:58:37 http://java-errors.blogspot.com/2008/03/android-developers-re-about-jni-in.html Apr 13 02:58:38 hahaha Apr 13 02:58:39 hahaha! Apr 13 02:58:53 * B0jangles shrugs Apr 13 02:58:57 awesome Apr 13 02:59:00 very rude Apr 13 02:59:17 B0jangles: i suspect yo ujust typed android JNI into google. he's probably done that already :\ Apr 13 02:59:21 jasta ... always saying what we all think :) Apr 13 02:59:23 yes Apr 13 02:59:41 he probably hasn't Apr 13 02:59:42 actually I typed android JNI Apr 13 02:59:50 maybe that was his problem **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 13 02:59:57 2008