**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 17 02:59:57 2008
Apr 17 03:08:13 <zhobbs> poffy_: round 2 requires that you are in the top 50
Apr 17 03:08:29 <zhobbs> poffy_: challenge II is open to everyone
Apr 17 03:10:35 <poffy_> I'm confused.
Apr 17 03:10:46 <poffy_> Which is the one with the buckets of money?
Apr 17 03:20:08 <yxz97> HELLO!
Apr 17 03:21:20 <Kraln> jasta: I had some of the same issue
Apr 17 03:21:45 <Kraln> jasta: essentially my solution is to remove all references to the 'old' version of the activity and let the GC get it
Apr 17 03:44:07 * Kraln shakes the room
Apr 17 03:44:21 <michaelnovakjr_1> what's up
Apr 17 03:46:23 <Kraln> nothing
Apr 17 04:38:53 <muthu> ZZZZZZZZ....
Apr 17 04:41:10 <Hai-Fai> good morning
Apr 17 04:41:25 <muthu> gm
Apr 17 04:56:32 <Kraln> morning? eh
Apr 17 04:56:36 <Kraln> 1am is morning I guess
Apr 17 04:56:52 <muthu> 10:30 - chennai
Apr 17 04:56:54 <muthu> AM
Apr 17 05:03:11 <muthu> for folks who are bored - http://www.helloandroid.com/node/479
Apr 17 05:11:20 <Kraln> what am I to do with that?
Apr 17 05:14:35 * Kraln surfs the discussion list
Apr 17 05:18:36 <muthu> creating an Android Beginners Guide - wait until the next SDK?
Apr 17 05:18:47 <Kraln> yeah
Apr 17 05:18:55 <muthu> when is it out?
Apr 17 05:19:17 <muthu> Kraln: you think pretty soon?
Apr 17 05:19:34 <Kraln> dunno
Apr 17 05:19:41 <muthu> hmmm
Apr 17 05:20:06 <muthu> romainguy_: creating an Android Beginners Guide - wait until the next SDK?
Apr 17 05:25:04 <Kraln> poffy: around?
Apr 17 05:26:28 <poffy_> yes
Apr 17 05:28:32 <poffy_> Kraln, I'm here
Apr 17 05:29:00 <Kraln> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCm9hs-ZfCg
Apr 17 05:29:07 <poffy_> I'm watching that
Apr 17 05:29:19 <Kraln> the only thing I think he did better is the ability to click on the circle and see what the name was
Apr 17 05:29:35 <Kraln> everything else is poo imho
Apr 17 05:29:38 <poffy_> I agree
Apr 17 05:29:42 <poffy_> I don't like the chat UI
Apr 17 05:30:06 <poffy_> Also, he fails at finding and pronouncing New Orleans
Apr 17 05:30:52 <Kraln> yes.
Apr 17 05:31:01 <Kraln> I don't think elimatta is exactly competition, either
Apr 17 05:31:38 <poffy_> Elimatta is different though
Apr 17 05:31:43 <Kraln> yeah
Apr 17 05:31:56 <Kraln> seen this thread? http://www.anddev.org/must_see_android_challenge_submissions-t1746.html
Apr 17 05:32:05 <poffy_> Nope
Apr 17 05:32:17 <Kraln> dude nine people have downloaded the .apk off of the google code site
Apr 17 05:32:23 <Kraln> why have I not seen nine people on the network :x
Apr 17 05:32:30 <Kraln> is it broken!?
Apr 17 05:32:38 <Kraln> oh god I hope not :-(
Apr 17 05:33:10 <muthu> location based chat is interesting
Apr 17 05:33:25 <poffy_> muthu, care to test AndroidChat for us
Apr 17 05:33:26 <poffy_> ?
Apr 17 05:33:32 <muthu> sure
Apr 17 05:33:43 <poffy_> http://code.google.com/p/androidchat/
Apr 17 05:33:44 <muthu> it been in my list for sometime
Apr 17 05:33:48 <poffy_> oh ok
Apr 17 05:33:57 <muthu> ok.. i'll check it out
Apr 17 05:34:17 <Kraln> poffy: www.androidchat.net >.<
Apr 17 05:34:37 <poffy_> k
Apr 17 05:34:41 <Kraln> hmm
Apr 17 05:34:46 <Kraln> there are four users on the netwrok
Apr 17 05:34:54 <Kraln> only two in channel
Apr 17 05:36:54 <muthu> hey, can i check out the source and build?
Apr 17 05:36:59 <muthu> m5-rc15
Apr 17 05:37:05 <Kraln> muthu: sure
Apr 17 05:37:08 <muthu> ok
Apr 17 05:37:09 <Kraln> yeah, that's what its built against
Apr 17 05:37:17 <muthu> i'm gettting the source now...
Apr 17 05:37:28 <Kraln> trunk/androidchat
Apr 17 05:37:35 <Kraln> the other folders aren't relevent to the client
Apr 17 05:37:55 <muthu> ok
Apr 17 05:47:34 <Kraln> muthu: any luck?
Apr 17 05:47:45 <muthu> checkout out sources..
Apr 17 05:47:53 <muthu> confused about many folders.. now clear
Apr 17 05:47:55 <Kraln> its not that big...
Apr 17 05:47:58 <muthu> androidchat
Apr 17 05:48:26 <muthu> yeah, not big
Apr 17 05:49:39 <muthu> running activitycreator
Apr 17 05:51:15 <muthu> build apk
Apr 17 05:55:05 <Kraln> muthu: are you ashok?
Apr 17 05:55:40 <muthu> muthu
Apr 17 05:55:55 <Kraln> there's someone from india named ashok on androidchat's network o.o
Apr 17 05:57:53 <muthu> is it asok?
Apr 17 05:58:23 <Kraln> who?
Apr 17 05:58:34 <muthu> i logged in
Apr 17 05:58:40 <muthu> now what?
Apr 17 05:58:54 <Kraln> well, both the manual and the message of the day say
Apr 17 05:58:58 <Kraln> "hit the menu button!"
Apr 17 05:59:49 <muthu> ok.. so the channels are built by the users
Apr 17 05:59:57 <Kraln> correct
Apr 17 06:00:09 <Kraln> the two channels that are currently created are 'fixed' in space so they won't move
Apr 17 06:00:11 <Kraln> but most channels will
Apr 17 06:01:01 <muthu> how can i chat with you?
Apr 17 06:01:32 <muthu> it got to be more user friendly
Apr 17 06:01:35 <Kraln> well, first you need to find a channel
Apr 17 06:01:40 <Kraln> so, hit menu
Apr 17 06:01:42 <Kraln> and then channels map
Apr 17 06:05:37 <Kraln> I am in #hi btw
Apr 17 06:06:26 <muthu> ok
Apr 17 06:06:41 <Kraln> well, I was until my client crashed heh
Apr 17 06:07:06 <muthu> i got kuja now
Apr 17 06:07:11 <Kraln> yeah, that's me
Apr 17 06:23:43 <Kraln> got tired?
Apr 17 06:23:55 <muthu> no disconnected, then connected
Apr 17 06:23:59 <muthu> and not seeing anything
Apr 17 06:24:10 <Kraln> you're not connected
Apr 17 06:24:41 <muthu> see #xampl
Apr 17 06:24:57 <Kraln> nvm then
Apr 17 06:25:43 <Kraln> still nothing?
Apr 17 06:26:30 <muthu> ok see #hi
Apr 17 06:26:59 <Kraln> oh no.
Apr 17 06:27:00 <muthu> how to create my own channel?
Apr 17 06:27:06 <Kraln> did I forget to clear the channels list on disconnect?
Apr 17 06:27:17 <Kraln> poffy: shit.
Apr 17 06:27:39 <muthu> ok good
Apr 17 06:27:42 <Kraln> muthu: ah, we haven't refined the interface for that quite yet. you'll have to use a slash command ( /join #channelname )
Apr 17 06:27:53 <muthu> great
Apr 17 06:27:59 <muthu> allright i'm done
Apr 17 06:28:50 <muthu> Kraln: good job
Apr 17 06:29:23 <Kraln> think we have a chance?
Apr 17 06:29:44 <muthu> sure
Apr 17 06:29:53 <Kraln> sure is not very reassuring =)
Apr 17 06:30:07 <muthu> you must ask the judges ;)
Apr 17 06:35:47 <Kraln> commandro is good
Apr 17 06:35:53 <Kraln> if they pulled it off, then I predict they win
Apr 17 06:36:28 <Kraln> however...
Apr 17 06:36:38 <Kraln> their interface looks like it'd be impossible to use on a real device
Apr 17 06:36:51 <Kraln> buttons, text, and stuff are all way too small
Apr 17 06:37:25 <Kraln> we'll see, aye?
Apr 17 06:38:01 <muthu> commandro is appealing, yes
Apr 17 06:38:41 <muthu> but anyone working on LBS is doing the same kind of stuff
Apr 17 06:38:57 <muthu> its an exciting space
Apr 17 07:25:48 <c4software> hi, its possible to run android in "debug" mode, i want to see action behind the red dot on startup
Apr 17 07:26:19 <muthu> yes you can run in debug mode
Apr 17 07:26:48 <duey> just read logcat
Apr 17 07:27:00 <muthu> that's a shortcut
Apr 17 07:27:12 <muthu> duey: did you submit?
Apr 17 07:27:13 <duey> ./emulator --help
Apr 17 07:27:15 <duey> yeah
Apr 17 07:27:22 <muthu> ocr right?
Apr 17 07:27:23 <muthu> cool
Apr 17 07:27:24 <duey> ya
Apr 17 07:32:59 <c4software> no no not on the emulator, with the initdr-android image in fact
Apr 17 07:34:38 <c4software> Boot up failed in startup process, red dot starting, and its forzen.
Apr 17 07:35:27 <muthu> when running emulator?
Apr 17 07:35:49 <c4software> no no on real device (htc wizard)
Apr 17 07:36:01 <c4software> i need to see the boot up detail
Apr 17 07:36:10 <c4software> to see how its frozen
Apr 17 07:36:21 <muthu> so is there a debug compile mode
Apr 17 07:36:42 <c4software> okay we need to recompile android in debug mod
Apr 17 07:36:48 <muthu> right
Apr 17 07:38:24 <c4software> in fact acctualy, android start (red dot), red dot during some seconde, we have black screen, red dot again, and after some second red dot freeze. its maybe search file in wrong place
Apr 17 07:38:49 <muthu> maybe
Apr 17 07:40:39 <mihoshi> Android java api still closed source?
Apr 17 07:41:22 <muthu> yes
Apr 17 07:41:29 <muthu> no new releases yet
Apr 17 07:47:41 <ligi_> ah don't prepeare mp3's http://www.anddev.org/video-tut_-_playing_mediamp3_on_the_emulator-t156-s60.html
Apr 17 07:47:51 <ligi_> old j2me habit ..-)
Apr 17 07:48:45 <muthu> mediaplayer is a bit wierd
Apr 17 07:50:09 <ligi_> muthu: ;-)
Apr 17 07:50:39 <muthu> and videoview is wierder!
Apr 17 07:51:06 <ligi_> *puh* good that i won't need video atm
Apr 17 07:51:35 <muthu> improvements are on the way, if we believe the droids ;)
Apr 17 07:52:02 <ligi_> haha it's working
Apr 17 07:52:03 <ligi_> lol
Apr 17 07:52:19 <ligi_> *jumparound*
Apr 17 07:52:34 <ligi_> this was the coolest feature in the J2ME version
Apr 17 07:52:40 <ligi_> i have it back
Apr 17 07:52:52 <muthu> which one?
Apr 17 07:53:07 <ligi_> muthu: voice output of the power source
Apr 17 07:53:14 <muthu> cool
Apr 17 07:55:37 <ligi_> muthu: yesterday i had a crazy moment - there is a discussion about my project and i dont understand a single word: http://ligi-tec.blogspot.com/2008/04/dubwise-discussion.html
Apr 17 07:56:23 <muthu> really?
Apr 17 07:56:28 <muthu> let me check it out
Apr 17 07:57:43 <muthu> japanese?
Apr 17 07:58:05 <muthu> can you use a translator?
Apr 17 07:58:22 <ligi_> seems not - google trans between jp and en isn't working
Apr 17 07:58:41 <muthu> must be some japanese developers on this channel
Apr 17 07:59:26 <ligi_> ;-)i think so too
Apr 17 07:59:38 <ligi_> muthu: where are u from?
Apr 17 07:59:45 <muthu> chennai
Apr 17 07:59:49 <muthu> india
Apr 17 08:00:02 <muthu> linkedin.com/in/tellibitz
Apr 17 08:00:08 <ligi_> muthu: great! greetinx to india!
Apr 17 08:00:19 <muthu> thanks, you are from france right?
Apr 17 08:00:26 <ligi_> no germany
Apr 17 08:00:30 <muthu> oh right
Apr 17 08:00:43 <muthu> saw your blog
Apr 17 08:15:32 <ligi_> so on my way to work
Apr 17 08:15:34 <ligi_> cya
Apr 17 08:15:45 <muthu> bye
Apr 17 09:07:23 <muthu> http://www.gamesalfresco.com/2008/04/10-best-augmented-reality-devices-that.html
Apr 17 09:11:48 <varjag> "Google’s Android phone has ambitions to carve its niche, but has still a long way to go (too slow, not stable)."
Apr 17 09:11:50 <varjag> heh
Apr 17 09:12:35 <muthu> still early days as far as those folks are concerned
Apr 17 09:12:52 <muthu> viable option in 2009
Apr 17 09:14:03 <varjag> well it sure is early days, just strange to draw conclusions on speed and stability from early beta without actual hardware announced
Apr 17 09:15:09 <muthu> right
Apr 17 09:16:28 <duey> its also a bit odd
Apr 17 09:16:56 <duey> because i would not call it slow (considering its emulated -- how do we know?) and it seems stable at least for beta software
Apr 17 09:17:08 <varjag> quite
Apr 17 09:17:21 <varjag> well i've seen a glitch or two
Apr 17 09:17:32 <duey> sure but you expect them
Apr 17 09:17:38 <varjag> but then i've seen glitches on every phone i ever owned
Apr 17 09:17:55 <duey> windows has glitches but im sure its considered stable
Apr 17 09:18:14 <varjag> but yep it makes it sound like android crashes and burn all the time
Apr 17 09:18:30 <duey> eclipse crashed more than android
Apr 17 09:18:33 <duey> at least for me
Apr 17 09:18:57 <varjag> true
Apr 17 11:05:35 <mihoshi> I need an advice. There is an editor, (for example, graphical). And users can create there pictures and store them in user directories. Also I want to pur in same directories some pre-made possibly read-only images, as examples. How can I do that in least ugly way? Copy images from raw sources to user directory (resulting in having them taking twice as much place on device)?
Apr 17 11:08:54 <mihoshi> Sorry, connection problems...
Apr 17 11:09:30 <mihoshi> So, any ideas?
Apr 17 11:15:44 <varjag> you should be able to make a symlink
Apr 17 11:15:49 <varjag> since android runs linux
Apr 17 11:20:30 <mihoshi> varjag: I was thinking about that too...
Apr 17 11:21:51 <mihoshi> But it seems that raw resources are not a real files... They are inside of apk somewhere
Apr 17 11:22:06 <mihoshi> Or am I wrong?
Apr 17 11:25:40 <varjag> ah ok
Apr 17 11:25:51 <varjag> dunno then
Apr 17 11:34:31 <mihoshi> Is there a reason why all attributes names in layouts starts with "android:"?
Apr 17 11:36:00 <mihoshi> Is it because of xml schema limitations?
Apr 17 11:39:04 <varjag> android is the namespace
Apr 17 11:39:37 <varjag> for android-specific attributes
Apr 17 11:42:08 <mihoshi> varjag: But are there any other attributes in layouts?
Apr 17 11:44:27 <varjag> mihoshi, they use namespaces for all good reasons namespaces exist :)
Apr 17 11:44:45 <varjag> like, avoiding collisons
Apr 17 11:45:04 <varjag> or confusion in your head if you use other schemas simultaneously
Apr 17 12:38:59 <michaelnovakjr__> anyone able to remedy the Launching stuck at 19% on linux, using eclipse?
Apr 17 12:40:53 <mihoshi> michaelnovakjr__: I have same 19% problem in Windows in Eclipse too...
Apr 17 12:40:56 <varjag> restarting eclipse helped
Apr 17 12:41:10 <varjag> and kill any remaining eclipse processes
Apr 17 12:41:54 <mihoshi> No need to restart adb and emulator?
Apr 17 12:43:58 <michaelnovakjr__> ok
Apr 17 12:44:02 <michaelnovakjr__> i'll try that
Apr 17 12:44:14 <michaelnovakjr__> does it happen often?
Apr 17 12:47:50 <michaelnovakjr__> wow, does not work at all for me
Apr 17 12:51:39 <varjag> http://www.enkin.net/ - wild stuff
Apr 17 13:16:30 <cutmasta> varjag, cool app
Apr 17 13:16:32 <cutmasta> really cool
Apr 17 13:16:38 <cutmasta> and extremly useful
Apr 17 13:16:59 <varjag> yeah
Apr 17 13:17:56 <cutmasta> hopefully 90% of the submitted applications to ADC are as cool as enkin
Apr 17 13:17:59 <cutmasta> :)
Apr 17 13:18:18 <varjag> overall there's very serious chance winmobile and symbian will go altavista way soon
Apr 17 13:19:13 <varjag> cutmasta, even if there are 10 aplications of that kind of coolness it's a lot
Apr 17 13:20:39 <borism> just give me some metal or teach me how to flash my n810 :)
Apr 17 13:21:08 <michaelnovakjr__> i think there will be :) there's a lot of good stuff out there
Apr 17 13:23:41 <cutmasta> yes,
Apr 17 13:23:55 <cutmasta> i believe in the imagination of all the coders out there
Apr 17 14:28:45 <poffy_> Morning, all
Apr 17 15:10:30 <jasta> alright, first test of my sync engine now that i've switched to WbXML
Apr 17 15:10:40 * jasta crosses his fingers
Apr 17 15:11:12 <zhobbs> did it explode?
Apr 17 15:11:30 <AstainHellbring> BOOM!
Apr 17 15:11:36 <bilboed-pi> hi all. Anyone knows if there's some limitations when using pthread_* (from C) ?
Apr 17 15:11:53 <jasta> kaboom
Apr 17 15:12:18 <zhobbs> that would be a feat to switch formats and have it work the first time
Apr 17 15:12:40 <jasta> actually, it looks like it bombed out because i forgot to remove the check against WbXML :)
Apr 17 15:17:41 <muthu> jasta: have you seen this? - http://www.bonecoder.com/
Apr 17 15:17:44 <jasta> wait no, that's not the problem.
Apr 17 15:17:59 <jasta> muthu: Yeah, not sure what I think about that yet.  It honestly looks like vaporware.
Apr 17 15:18:05 <muthu> ok
Apr 17 15:18:21 <jasta> If it isn't, I'd be very impressed if they were able to implement my idea that much faster.
Apr 17 15:18:43 <jasta> they claim to have image and video support as well, which is on my radar but there was no way i would have time for all that in 4 months
Apr 17 15:18:49 <muthu> did they submit?
Apr 17 15:19:05 <jasta> see, i don't know.  there's no information other than the small bit of text on that page really
Apr 17 15:19:13 <muthu> right
Apr 17 15:19:25 <jasta> which tells me that either their software doesn't exist as they say it does
Apr 17 15:19:42 <michaelnovakjr__> howdy
Apr 17 15:19:55 <jasta> i'm also skeptical of their design
Apr 17 15:19:59 <muthu> only screenshots for download?
Apr 17 15:19:59 <Kraln> jasta: you'd be amazed what someone can put together in four months
Apr 17 15:20:03 <jasta> they claim you need an account on their site to make it work?  why would that be?>
Apr 17 15:20:34 <muthu> i'll find out
Apr 17 15:20:38 <jasta> muthu: there are no screenshots even.
Apr 17 15:20:46 <jasta> honestly, i think it's total vapourware.
Apr 17 15:21:04 <michaelnovakjr__> which application?
Apr 17 15:21:09 <jasta> bonecoder.com
Apr 17 15:22:11 <jasta> muthu: It just sounds like their ambitions are much ahead of their talent :)
Apr 17 15:22:36 <Kraln> hmm
Apr 17 15:22:37 <muthu> looks like vision, but not done yet
Apr 17 15:22:42 <Kraln> that appears reasonable
Apr 17 15:23:13 <muthu> In Development..
Apr 17 15:23:25 <jasta> But hey, if their app turns out to be really that mature and extensive, more power to 'em.  I hope they win.
Apr 17 15:23:36 <jasta> But I just don't see that as the case based on what limited information is there.
Apr 17 15:24:29 <muthu> no downloads.. link is available.. but no real downloads.
Apr 17 15:24:32 <Kraln> jasta: I saw too someone else who did something very similar to me
Apr 17 15:24:44 <Kraln> dont worry too much about it!
Apr 17 15:26:00 <mihoshi> Wonder what happened with Wifi Army... THey announsed early, and virtually no news about them. Except dozen of clones with about same idea
Apr 17 15:26:56 <michaelnovakjr__> what issue people will run into is that streaming means data usage, and well we all know what the cell providers do about that :)
Apr 17 15:28:33 <jasta> give it to you unlimited?
Apr 17 15:28:37 <michaelnovakjr__> hummingbird also requires the user to have a home server with all of this stuff
Apr 17 15:28:39 * Kraln has unlimited transfer
Apr 17 15:28:48 <michaelnovakjr__> uuuhhh.... read your fine print :)
Apr 17 15:28:49 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: so does mine, of course.
Apr 17 15:29:07 <michaelnovakjr__> its technically not unlimited.... i found that out the hard way
Apr 17 15:29:16 <jasta> it's pretty damn high, though
Apr 17 15:29:21 <michaelnovakjr__> 2gb
Apr 17 15:29:34 <Kraln> michaelnovakjr: I've torrented off of my phone =)
Apr 17 15:29:47 <jasta> hmm
Apr 17 15:29:55 <michaelnovakjr__> for normal usage its not bad... but if you are a big user of such an app that might be cutting it close
Apr 17 15:30:02 <jasta> the kxml2 provided by Android is insufficient.  the WbxmlSerializer class is only a stub implementation
Apr 17 15:30:07 <michaelnovakjr__> unless cell providers do something about it
Apr 17 15:30:14 <Kraln> jasta: might I make a suggestion?
Apr 17 15:30:17 <jasta> i tried including my own kxml2 jar, but it seems Android's keeps getting used?
Apr 17 15:30:24 <jasta> how can i make this work?
Apr 17 15:30:27 <Kraln> roll your own easy to format protocol
Apr 17 15:30:34 <zhobbs> do you have to do anything to allow a user to navigate links in a WebView?
Apr 17 15:30:35 <Kraln> make it easy for java to parse.
Apr 17 15:30:52 <jasta> Kraln: my system uses a combination of SyncML and plain HTTP downloads
Apr 17 15:31:16 <jasta> SyncML has robust support, though I still wrote my own client library to be very lightweight
Apr 17 15:31:22 <michaelnovakjr__> did i read the hummingbird stuff right? you need your own media server?
Apr 17 15:31:41 <mihoshi> Is wbxml part of Android?
Apr 17 15:31:43 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: like i said, mine requires you run a server on your home pc too.  it's not avoidable.
Apr 17 15:31:58 <jasta> mihoshi: kxml2 is bundled, but WbxmlSerializer is just a stub, so no
Apr 17 15:32:17 <michaelnovakjr__> ah, jasta I thought yours pulled from a central server setup?
Apr 17 15:32:20 <jasta> but that's beside the point, how come the jar file i include doesn't seem to override the android.jar?
Apr 17 15:32:28 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: no, that would be insane.
Apr 17 15:32:58 <jasta> the infrastructure set up would be a nightmare, not to mention now the questionably legal terrain of trafficing in copyright protected music
Apr 17 15:33:59 <michaelnovakjr__> true
Apr 17 15:34:13 <michaelnovakjr__> what port does it communicate on?
Apr 17 15:34:30 <Kraln> jasta: thought about supporting rhapsody?
Apr 17 15:34:47 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: 5545
Apr 17 15:35:16 <jasta> Kraln: I have a lot of things on my plate.  I need a stable framework before I can move on too much :)
Apr 17 15:35:39 <michaelnovakjr__> oh, cool... so isp services are blocking it out?'
Apr 17 15:36:02 <michaelnovakjr__> i know verizon is a pain.... you technically can't run a server apparently :) i got very loud with them about that
Apr 17 15:36:13 <michaelnovakjr__> i went back to cable internet after hearing that
Apr 17 15:36:25 <jasta> anyway, back to my actual technical problem i have to solve here :)
Apr 17 15:36:51 <jasta> i want to make this work before i leave for work, damnit ;)
Apr 17 15:41:19 <jasta> does no one know how to do this?  i need to use my provided kxml2 jar over the code in android.jar, but just including it in my Eclipse project seems insufficient.
Apr 17 15:44:22 <davidw> ahahha
Apr 17 15:44:33 <jasta> ?
Apr 17 15:45:02 <davidw> I have that problem too... cool/fun projects seem way more important than work
Apr 17 15:45:12 <davidw> or are more... entertaining/interesting
Apr 17 15:45:28 <jasta> well, this is just frustrating me is all
Apr 17 15:46:00 <jasta> i can confirm that when i include the kxml2 jar in my build path, my apk file size increases by an amount i'd expect.
Apr 17 15:46:05 <michaelnovakjr__> i am guessing you are obviously doing an import call somewhere?
Apr 17 15:46:12 <jasta> so the classes must be included
Apr 17 15:46:16 <jasta> but then why they are not being used?
Apr 17 15:46:27 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: no, i've added an external archive ot my build path
Apr 17 15:47:48 <michaelnovakjr__> is the package in the kxml2 different from the android?
Apr 17 15:48:02 <jasta> yes, very different
Apr 17 15:48:16 <michaelnovakjr__> does your app know that?
Apr 17 15:48:31 <jasta> it presumes it.  the API is the same, but the implementation is not stubbed out.
Apr 17 15:49:13 <jasta> let me make sure i've not done something stupdi here.  i have the source for kxml2 2.3.0 but bundled 2.2.2 because it's what maven gave me
Apr 17 15:49:25 <muthu> oh maven!
Apr 17 15:49:38 <muthu> pain to work with..
Apr 17 15:49:39 <michaelnovakjr__> but don't you still have to specify the package to pull from?
Apr 17 15:50:00 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: what?  in Eclipse?
Apr 17 15:50:09 <michaelnovakjr__> in the project
Apr 17 15:50:25 <jasta> in Eclipse, I have bundled the jar using Build Path -> Add External Archive
Apr 17 15:50:42 <michaelnovakjr__> ok, but that doesn't mean you use that instead of the android one?
Apr 17 15:51:03 <jasta> d'oh ;)
Apr 17 15:51:12 <jasta> kxml2 2.2.2 is the problem :)
Apr 17 15:52:46 <jasta> and in fact that looks to be the version android is using
Apr 17 15:56:26 <mihoshi> Is there a way to override Log priniting? For example, show messages for some tags on screen?
Apr 17 15:56:45 <jasta> not easily
Apr 17 15:57:08 <jasta> you should instead make your own logging abstraction to do this
Apr 17 15:57:23 <ligi> mihoshi: adb shell "logcat *" | grep <tags> not suffice?
Apr 17 15:58:06 <mihoshi> ligi: O_o I want to show it to user, not see it myself:)
Apr 17 15:58:19 <ligi> mihoshi: ah k
Apr 17 15:58:21 <ligi> ;-)
Apr 17 15:58:23 <mihoshi> jasta: With singleton?
Apr 17 15:58:38 <ligi> Logs for the user - great new times *fg*
Apr 17 15:59:43 <mihoshi> ligi: I want to let user know what is happening:) Even if that is just a single line in status...
Apr 17 16:24:20 <Kraln> anyone seen skicson?
Apr 17 16:47:17 <michaelnovakjr__> we need  a new sdk!
Apr 17 16:49:24 <ligi> michaelnovakjr__: we need PHONES!!-)
Apr 17 16:52:07 <Kraln> agreed. I'd rather have a physical device
Apr 17 16:52:21 * Kraln would prefer cdma but would get a pay-as-you-go gsm just to test with
Apr 17 16:53:35 <davidw> mars needs women
Apr 17 16:55:57 <poffy_> I really want a physical devide
Apr 17 16:56:00 <poffy_> device even
Apr 17 16:56:10 <jasta> i dont want one until the platform actually does something
Apr 17 16:56:13 <poffy_> Current applications would actually be work running
Apr 17 16:56:16 <poffy_> *worth
Apr 17 16:56:21 <jasta> at present, the only app that i would actually use on android would be mine
Apr 17 16:56:26 <jasta> and mine isn't great yet
Apr 17 16:56:43 <jasta> probably would piss me off, actually :)
Apr 17 16:56:44 <zhobbs> I haven't seen any apps I'd really use either
Apr 17 16:56:58 <jasta> so, no, we don't need phones yet :)
Apr 17 16:57:00 <jasta> we need more development.
Apr 17 16:57:02 <poffy_> Except androidChat, right?
Apr 17 16:57:03 <poffy_> ?
Apr 17 16:57:17 <zhobbs> exactly
Apr 17 16:58:10 <jasta> you have to consider that what google is doing here is more like an extension of their development team to the community.  we're part of this project, and have to push it hard to make sure it's ready when the commercial launch happens.
Apr 17 16:58:30 <zhobbs> yep...slave labor
Apr 17 16:58:41 <jasta> then we can finally make use of all our hard work
Apr 17 16:59:52 <zhobbs> It would be nice to have a phone though, I'd have like 30 different programs in case I need to do some location based blogging :)
Apr 17 17:00:02 <jasta> lol :)
Apr 17 17:00:22 <jasta> the only reason i'd find value in having a phone is because then i could test my app on a real handset.  but actually, that's not worth much at this point.
Apr 17 17:00:42 <jasta> i already know that my UI is massively deficient, my code needs to be heavily optimized, etc.  i already know these things, so what does a handset tell me? :)
Apr 17 17:01:24 <jasta> i certainly wouldn't want an android phone to use _as a phone_.  that would be an awful experience right now.
Apr 17 17:01:44 <zhobbs> the handset would probably make you more comfortable about the optimization because the emulator is so slow
Apr 17 17:02:04 <zhobbs> does even have a soft keyboard
Apr 17 17:02:14 <zhobbs> doesn't*
Apr 17 17:04:57 <jasta> zhobbs: regardless, the bottlenecks would still be in the places i expect :)
Apr 17 17:05:32 <romainguy_> zhobbs: it's a good thing you're working on a slow emulator actually :)
Apr 17 17:06:13 <michaelnovakjr__> i need to get off windows mobile... it is terrible
Apr 17 17:07:31 <zhobbs> romainguy_: yeah, I know if I can get usable performance now I'll be good later
Apr 17 17:10:33 <michaelnovakjr__> the only thing to watch out for is network speeds aren't simulated :)
Apr 17 17:10:48 <zod> michaelnovakjr__: you can simulate them
Apr 17 17:10:56 <michaelnovakjr__> oh yea?
Apr 17 17:11:50 <zod> http://code.google.com/android/reference/emulator.html#netdelay
Apr 17 17:12:14 <zod> there's a -netdelay and a -netspeed option for the emulator
Apr 17 17:13:21 <michaelnovakjr__> interesting... i didn't really spend alot of time researching the emulator before the challenge.... short on time
Apr 17 17:14:15 <zhobbs> michaelnovakjr__: you can also do it from the "Emulator Control" view in eclipse
Apr 17 17:15:12 <michaelnovakjr__> are judges using speeds?
Apr 17 17:15:32 <morrildl> michaelnovakjr__: nope
Apr 17 17:16:00 <morrildl> whether some judges are using speed, of course, is a question of a personal nature of which I have no knowledge.
Apr 17 17:16:36 <michaelnovakjr__> interesting
Apr 17 17:16:51 <jasta> -netdelay and -netspeed don't work very well when you are communicating over a local interface
Apr 17 17:16:58 <jasta> just fyi
Apr 17 17:17:28 <michaelnovakjr__> i used my phone via bluetooth at one point unintentionally.... which is obviously a slower speed and it worked out all good so...
Apr 17 17:26:22 <michaelnovakjr__> anyone not find any apps they were looking for so far?
Apr 17 17:26:46 <jasta> really, for me, i just want android to do the base set of things very well first.
Apr 17 17:27:07 <jasta> then we'll talk ;)
Apr 17 17:27:21 <jasta> though i do hope for better games.  being an open platform, i suspect lots of people will tinker and make games
Apr 17 17:27:23 <michaelnovakjr__> a good messaging application would be nice
Apr 17 17:27:24 <jasta> which is great.
Apr 17 17:27:40 <jasta> mobile games is a really odd industry right now.  most of the games are non-free, and *expensive* for what they are.
Apr 17 17:27:56 <jasta> i think android will rattle that cage quite a bit
Apr 17 17:28:16 <jasta> if nobody ends up writing it, i will develop a simple Solitaire game engine, with Freecell, Klondike, etc.
Apr 17 17:28:27 <jasta> I am actually like half done with one ;)
Apr 17 17:28:28 <Kraln> jasta: I'll write the card library =)
Apr 17 17:28:33 <Kraln> ah, pssf.
Apr 17 17:28:34 <jasta> I already did that.
Apr 17 17:28:35 <jasta> hehe
Apr 17 17:28:41 <Kraln> yeah, that's the half done part hehe
Apr 17 17:28:43 <jasta> one of the first things i tinkered with on Android was that app
Apr 17 17:29:00 <Kraln> honestly? I'll probably be making lots of games for android
Apr 17 17:29:07 <Kraln> I just could not think of one that'd win the developer contest
Apr 17 17:29:13 <jasta> likewise, i want to see a good RSS reader.  in particular, one that tries to web suck those lame feeds that only give you partial data
Apr 17 17:29:17 <davidw> jasta, I think games and free software... may not mix that well... or rather that games are one of the 'last frontiers'
Apr 17 17:29:23 <Kraln> I do want to make a typogun-clone that feeds in street names and stuff from the gps
Apr 17 17:29:34 <Kraln> davidw: I disagree. Seen much homebrew ?
Apr 17 17:29:34 <davidw> I care a great deal that my OS is open source, but less so whether some game is..
Apr 17 17:29:46 <Kraln> free != open source
Apr 17 17:29:53 <jasta> davidw: Actually, you'd be wrong.  Games are so easy to write and obvious that you get lots of students and hobbyist just wanting to explore the platform who write them.
Apr 17 17:29:58 <Kraln> free (price) != open source != free software (ideology)
Apr 17 17:30:02 <jasta> A great way to learn Android is to pop in and write some silly game.
Apr 17 17:30:09 <davidw> Kraln, no kidding...
Apr 17 17:30:24 <Kraln> lots of people homebrew games
Apr 17 17:30:32 <davidw> jasta, well... there aren't that many good open source games out there.  There are a few, but less than other things
Apr 17 17:30:40 <jasta> actually, there are *lots*.
Apr 17 17:30:53 <jasta> the types of games appropriate for a mobile phone are small and simple
Apr 17 17:30:56 <davidw> lots, or lots of good ones?
Apr 17 17:30:59 <jasta> and those types of games exist in large numbers for free.
Apr 17 17:31:05 <jasta> lots of great ones too
Apr 17 17:31:08 <davidw> like?
Apr 17 17:31:10 <jasta> even the gnome and kde games packages are great.
Apr 17 17:31:17 <muthu> one thing for sure, there'll be a lot of apps for android - which would make google happy :)
Apr 17 17:31:18 <davidw> quake springs to mind, but that's sort of a special case
Apr 17 17:31:36 <Kraln> davidw: i'd ask you to check out the ds homebrew scene
Apr 17 17:31:39 <Kraln> gba/ds
Apr 17 17:31:55 <davidw> Kraln, link?
Apr 17 17:32:04 <Kraln> http://www.pdroms.de/files/nintendods/
Apr 17 17:32:06 <jasta> the types of games i like on my mobile phone are like chess with a decent computer AI (or even online play), freecell solitaire, bubble breaker, that arkanoid game where you paddle the ball at the layered bricks...
Apr 17 17:32:06 <michaelnovakjr__> i am going after the RSS Reader!
Apr 17 17:32:07 <Kraln> some demos
Apr 17 17:32:10 <jasta> stuff like that
Apr 17 17:32:32 <davidw> Kraln, and those are open source?
Apr 17 17:32:32 <jasta> games that any joe blow programmer should be able to whip out in no time
Apr 17 17:32:41 <michaelnovakjr__> online games would be interesting
Apr 17 17:32:53 <jasta> part of the reason i think android will be a big hit with free games is that it is so easy to develop for.
Apr 17 17:32:55 <Kraln> davidw: who cares if they are open source? android doesn't mandate that - they're free though (and many are open source, actually)
Apr 17 17:32:56 <michaelnovakjr__> play chess against someone else via your phone
Apr 17 17:33:08 <davidw> Kraln, well, we were talking specifically about open source
Apr 17 17:33:24 <jasta> and being so easy to develop for, there's not a lot of market for applications that are very, very easy to write :)
Apr 17 17:33:35 <jasta> people will just flood it with free stuff, and that will be *great*
Apr 17 17:33:42 <muthu> oh yeah!
Apr 17 17:33:50 <davidw> jasta, I think the 'itch scratching' factor is less for games than for 'practical' things
Apr 17 17:34:03 <jasta> i love stupid little games for my phone.  they're much better than fancy ones :)
Apr 17 17:34:09 <davidw> I think basic games like that... yeah, there'll be free ones
Apr 17 17:34:15 <jasta> davidw: You're going to be proven wrong, I can assure you of that ;)
Apr 17 17:34:32 <jasta> Oh, nevermind, you clarified :)
Apr 17 17:34:45 <jasta> It's the basic games that everyone expects that will be better anyway.
Apr 17 17:34:54 <jasta> I don't want some 3D flight simulator to play while I'm pooping.  That is too stressful man.
Apr 17 17:35:07 <jasta> I want freecell and ClanBomber :)
Apr 17 17:35:15 <jasta> oh eys, clanbomber will be king.
Apr 17 17:35:15 <davidw> jasta, my point is not that there are no OS games, just that all other things being equal, there are comparatively less OS games because the incentives aren't there, compared with things like programming langages or web servers or editors...
Apr 17 17:35:41 <jasta> davidw: Yeah, but again, you're thinking in the wrong scope.
Apr 17 17:35:44 <davidw> I'm curious to see location based games
Apr 17 17:35:51 <jasta> Not many people even want elaborate games for their mobile phones.
Apr 17 17:35:56 <jasta> They just want the simple, familiar stuff.
Apr 17 17:36:01 <jasta> With basic controls and obvious play.
Apr 17 17:36:14 <muthu> davidw: any location based games already?
Apr 17 17:36:14 <michaelnovakjr__> conversion to Dalvik format failed??
Apr 17 17:36:17 <jasta> And right now, that stuff isn't free.  It's impossible to find even simple games for free for mobiles.
Apr 17 17:36:21 <michaelnovakjr__> what kind of error is that?
Apr 17 17:36:54 <jasta> I found 1 freecell game that would work on my phone (and I hunted!), but it totally sucks!
Apr 17 17:37:38 <jasta> and forget chess.  i could not find that for free.
Apr 17 17:37:53 <muthu> really, no free games?
Apr 17 17:38:01 <Kraln> jasta: I am going to work on an nes emulator, actually
Apr 17 17:38:06 <SUSaiyan> like ringtones eh?
Apr 17 17:38:08 * Kraln grins evilly
Apr 17 17:38:35 <jasta> the only one i did find that even had a good demo had an AI that was like playing an 8 year old
Apr 17 17:38:54 <jasta> but again, it was non-free so it expired in 30 days
Apr 17 17:39:13 <michaelnovakjr__> what kind of error is ...... Conversion to Dalvik format failed with error 1
Apr 17 17:39:20 <jasta> there was a predictable way to get the chess AI to give up its queen in like 5 moves
Apr 17 17:39:23 <jasta> miserable :)
Apr 17 17:39:32 <muthu> michael: when you compile?
Apr 17 17:39:39 <jasta> and there was no random seeding.  if you played the same moves the AI would respond exactly the same each time
Apr 17 17:39:54 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: try cleaning your project from Eclipse (project -> clean)
Apr 17 17:42:18 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, cleaning didn't work
Apr 17 17:42:31 <jasta> i dont really know anything about the bug
Apr 17 17:42:32 <jasta> google it though
Apr 17 18:01:24 <muthu> http://blog.zedray.com/snowball/what-is-snowball/
Apr 17 18:01:26 <muthu> wow!
Apr 17 18:02:29 <jasta> that is bizarre
Apr 17 18:02:34 <jasta> and, uhh, kind of stupid :)
Apr 17 18:02:42 <muthu> yo jasta
Apr 17 18:02:44 <muthu> why?
Apr 17 18:02:48 <jasta> especially all the pictures hehee
Apr 17 18:02:52 <michaelnovakjr__> what do you mean ...... its the 21st century ice cream man ;)
Apr 17 18:02:56 <muthu> the example is trivial
Apr 17 18:03:02 <jasta> who needs help finding ice cream?
Apr 17 18:03:10 <muthu> you can find anything
Apr 17 18:03:24 <muthu> impressive, because you don't need a fix
Apr 17 18:03:27 <jasta> such as?  lemonade stands too?
Apr 17 18:03:38 <muthu> unlimited possibilities
Apr 17 18:03:43 <jasta> no really, like what?
Apr 17 18:04:30 <muthu> one real use case he gave was - in times of emergency
Apr 17 18:05:01 <muthu> when carries are down.. you can pass on vital information in case of disaster etc.,
Apr 17 18:05:41 <michaelnovakjr__> muthu, i don't think in an emergency you'll stop to post it on your phone :)
Apr 17 18:05:53 <muthu> no imagine sep 11
Apr 17 18:06:00 <muthu> the whole network was jammed
Apr 17 18:06:11 <michaelnovakjr__> if service is down how would you get through?
Apr 17 18:06:12 <muthu> and people were not able to use their cellphones
Apr 17 18:06:18 <muthu> bluetooth
Apr 17 18:06:24 <jasta> bluetooth is a short range protocol
Apr 17 18:06:28 <jasta> very short range, actually
Apr 17 18:06:31 <muthu> right.. that's the idea
Apr 17 18:06:35 <michaelnovakjr__> that's a range of like 20 feet if you're lucky
Apr 17 18:06:39 <muthu> and when everyone runs this app
Apr 17 18:06:44 <muthu> tremendous potential
Apr 17 18:06:45 <michaelnovakjr__> you could just shout over to them
Apr 17 18:06:54 <muthu> not that fast
Apr 17 18:06:54 <jasta> yeah, i can yell louder than a bluetooth radio can transmit.
Apr 17 18:06:56 <jasta> i promise you
Apr 17 18:07:03 <muthu> look at the network effect
Apr 17 18:07:09 <jasta> you're totally insane muthu.
Apr 17 18:07:14 <jasta> :)
Apr 17 18:07:21 <michaelnovakjr__> bluetooth was not meant for networking
Apr 17 18:07:26 <muthu> jasta: no that's a valid real use case
Apr 17 18:07:58 <muthu> that's the novelty here, as fas as i can tell
Apr 17 18:08:03 <living_sword> snowball is cutting into google's territory of ads
Apr 17 18:08:03 <jasta> no, it isn't.  you know, in a time of real emergency there is so bloody much panic that humans reduce their operating mode to very instinctive.
Apr 17 18:08:12 <davidw> hehheeh in case of emergency, everyone within  20 feet of you will know that they too, are fucked
Apr 17 18:08:21 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
Apr 17 18:08:25 <jasta> hehe yes ;)
Apr 17 18:08:42 <muthu> no, this is a great way to pass on vital information
Apr 17 18:08:43 <michaelnovakjr__> but you'll be able to bluetooth each other ;)
Apr 17 18:08:53 <davidw> I could see bluetooth stuff working for parties/clubs/dating... that kind of thing
Apr 17 18:09:00 <jasta> you could log into irc and tell each other how fucked you are.  like, talk about it.
Apr 17 18:09:04 <jasta> and how you're going to die and stuff
Apr 17 18:09:13 <davidw> where vital informatin is more like "hey, I think you're hot"
Apr 17 18:09:15 <michaelnovakjr__> haha... like the lonely guy sitting at the bar... bluetooth-ing girls all night ;)
Apr 17 18:09:19 <jasta> "dude, did you see that?  the granade totally blew my arm off"
Apr 17 18:09:27 <muthu> so you folks are not impressed
Apr 17 18:09:29 <muthu> hmm
Apr 17 18:09:31 <jasta> "weak dude.  oh, but i can see your arm is blown off"
Apr 17 18:09:32 <jasta> :)
Apr 17 18:09:39 <muthu> lol
Apr 17 18:09:46 <jasta> that app is freaking stupid :)
Apr 17 18:09:52 <michaelnovakjr__> doesn't seem practical at all
Apr 17 18:09:59 <muthu> you guys are tough
Apr 17 18:10:04 <davidw> muthu, well... it's got some interesting elements to it, but needs a more convincing set of use cases I think
Apr 17 18:10:05 <muthu> hope you are not the judges ;)
Apr 17 18:10:16 <jasta> i bet the judges are much more practical than even we are.
Apr 17 18:10:27 <muthu> i hate he changed it to icecream
Apr 17 18:10:33 <jasta> considering that they are said to be established members in the mobile industry.
Apr 17 18:10:33 <muthu> totally diluted the wow factor
Apr 17 18:10:37 <davidw> having Borat as the icecream spokesperson is a nice touch though
Apr 17 18:10:45 <muthu> lol
Apr 17 18:11:00 <muthu> he had a great story, now he's selling icecream
Apr 17 18:12:46 <muthu> bluetooth is used to find the nearest cell tower i suppose
Apr 17 18:12:51 <michaelnovakjr__> ?
Apr 17 18:13:09 <jasta> uhhhhhh, *what*?
Apr 17 18:13:18 <muthu> http://blog.zedray.com/snowball/technical-details/
Apr 17 18:13:21 <jasta> cell towers can transmit several miles, bluetooth several feet.
Apr 17 18:13:28 <michaelnovakjr__> exactly
Apr 17 18:13:30 <muthu> right.. you do peer to peer
Apr 17 18:13:36 <michaelnovakjr__> oh boy....
Apr 17 18:13:36 <jasta> there is a problem of scale there :)
Apr 17 18:13:48 <jasta> so you think there will be a line of people no more than 20 feet apart to the tower?
Apr 17 18:13:55 <michaelnovakjr__> why would i want people connecting to me to find the stupid cell tower?
Apr 17 18:13:56 <jasta> so, then, you think one guy will be standing within 20 feet of a cell tower?
Apr 17 18:14:00 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
Apr 17 18:14:07 <jasta> you realize that area is off limits, right?
Apr 17 18:14:11 <jasta> nobody is ALLOWED to stand there.
Apr 17 18:14:39 <michaelnovakjr__> i'd love to know what sparked this idea...
Apr 17 18:15:05 <davidw> not being able to find a damn ice cream when he needed to
Apr 17 18:15:11 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
Apr 17 18:15:22 <michaelnovakjr__> i guess the old fashion music isn't loud enough?
Apr 17 18:15:27 <davidw> I think there are cool proximity based apps you can do with bluetooth though
Apr 17 18:15:39 <jasta> probably a desperate attempt to win part of the ADC prize money, but with a complete lack of creativity ;)
Apr 17 18:15:46 <davidw> it just needs to be repurposed to getting people laid, that's always a killer app
Apr 17 18:16:12 <muthu> davidw: that's a killer, yeah!
Apr 17 18:16:20 <michaelnovakjr__> dude, no woman is going to get with a guy that sends a message via bluetooth, especially while he is sucking on his retainer in the corner
Apr 17 18:17:14 <jasta> lol
Apr 17 18:17:28 <jasta> technology is not a good tool for finding sex.
Apr 17 18:17:32 <davidw> you could have a rating thing... you rate all the other people and the software matches up the people with the highest mutual rating
Apr 17 18:17:33 <michaelnovakjr__> definitely not
Apr 17 18:18:08 <michaelnovakjr__> ratings won't help nerd who sends messages to every girl in the room...
Apr 17 18:18:12 <davidw> of course it would be the ugly guy to hack it and try and get the pretty women
Apr 17 18:18:26 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
Apr 17 18:19:01 <davidw> jasta, no, but keeping people's hopes alive sells well - dating sites, for example
Apr 17 18:19:08 <davidw> and lots of people do meet via those, I guess
Apr 17 18:19:19 <muthu> dating sells
Apr 17 18:19:26 <jasta> yeah, but it isn't a *good* way :)
Apr 17 18:19:27 <muthu> mobile dating will be a huge hit
Apr 17 18:19:40 <davidw> not me... I met my wife when we were both 3 sheets to the wind after a cruise around the Laguna di Venezia:-)
Apr 17 18:19:51 <jasta> the best relationships happen through simple social networking.  in person.
Apr 17 18:20:12 <muthu> those were the old days
Apr 17 18:20:19 <jasta> no, that is forever.
Apr 17 18:20:27 <muthu> nope, times are changing
Apr 17 18:20:28 <davidw> jasta, yeah but there are a lot of people who will settle for *any* relationship
Apr 17 18:20:43 <jasta> muthu: No, they aren't.
Apr 17 18:20:58 <muthu> twitter has produced a few marriages
Apr 17 18:21:07 <muthu> so what's the problem?
Apr 17 18:21:08 <jasta> I'm sure it has.
Apr 17 18:21:10 <davidw> probably some real ugly breakups too;-)
Apr 17 18:21:20 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
Apr 17 18:21:20 <jasta> So has WoW. hehe
Apr 17 18:21:25 <davidw> ew
Apr 17 18:21:25 <michaelnovakjr__> hahahahahaha
Apr 17 18:21:26 <muthu> people are meeting in new ways
Apr 17 18:21:35 <jasta> but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't an ideal method, and only works for losers ;)
Apr 17 18:21:39 <michaelnovakjr__> i am all for the old way :) the only way :)
Apr 17 18:21:42 <jasta> who need to settle or be alone
Apr 17 18:21:59 <michaelnovakjr__> i met my wife in person, through a friend
Apr 17 18:22:05 <davidw> I'm going to agree with muthu on this one though
Apr 17 18:22:07 <michaelnovakjr__> keyword there is friend
Apr 17 18:22:20 <michaelnovakjr__> if you have friends sometimes this is easier :)
Apr 17 18:22:24 <muthu> thanks davidw
Apr 17 18:22:30 <davidw> in person is best, but whatever tech might be 'good enough'
Apr 17 18:22:37 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: exactly, it is and always has been through simple social networking.
Apr 17 18:22:48 <davidw> I met a hot Colombian girl via irc once
Apr 17 18:22:54 <jasta> the larger your social circle, the more opportunities you will have to sleep with attractive women
Apr 17 18:22:56 <muthu> woah
Apr 17 18:23:26 <jasta> i met my gf because she showed up to my roommates birthday party
Apr 17 18:23:39 <davidw> definitely not long term material, but... I wasn't complaining
Apr 17 18:23:43 <jasta> her friend was friends with bla bla bla
Apr 17 18:23:57 <jasta> whatever, anyway, i have to go to work
Apr 17 18:24:04 <jasta> my closing argument is that muthu is insane
Apr 17 18:24:07 <jasta> good day :)
Apr 17 18:24:26 <muthu> jasta: thanks :)
Apr 17 18:24:33 <muthu> i'll be successful then ;)
Apr 17 18:24:40 <michaelnovakjr__> hah
Apr 17 18:24:50 <muthu> like steve jobs!
Apr 17 18:27:37 <muthu> whitemice: are you here?
Apr 17 19:02:05 <f00f-> interesting discussions in here now that ADC is over :D
Apr 17 19:06:56 <muthu> hi f00f, we were having fun
Apr 17 19:07:36 <f00f-> that's always good
Apr 17 19:07:41 <muthu> yeah
Apr 17 19:07:48 <f00f-> are you also continuing to develop your app?
Apr 17 19:08:14 <muthu> i'm focused on my mobile search engine now
Apr 17 19:09:32 <muthu> android development all the time
Apr 17 19:10:01 <f00f-> ok cool
Apr 17 19:10:06 <f00f-> i myself am on hold
Apr 17 19:10:17 <f00f-> i should gear back up slowly next week or so
Apr 17 19:10:27 <muthu> break is good
Apr 17 19:12:30 <jasta> f00f-: i tried to take a break
Apr 17 19:12:35 <jasta> but i failed
Apr 17 19:13:46 <Ix-Xitan> hello anyone had problems with certain 3gp and mp4 files for streaming ?
Apr 17 19:15:33 <jasta> f00f-: i am implementing WbXML finally :)
Apr 17 19:15:45 <jasta> Ix-Xitan: yes, the MediaPlayer is fucked up ;)
Apr 17 19:15:58 <Ix-Xitan> but i am using videoview
Apr 17 19:16:05 <Ix-Xitan> and files are less than 1meg
Apr 17 19:16:28 <muthu> videoview is total
Apr 17 19:16:37 <jasta> is what?
Apr 17 19:16:47 <muthu> its a big mess
Apr 17 19:17:05 <muthu> totally screwed
Apr 17 19:17:12 <jasta> oh
Apr 17 19:17:14 <f00f-> jasta: ooh nice.. for the server->app communication?
Apr 17 19:17:15 <jasta> yes :)
Apr 17 19:17:33 <jasta> f00f-: yeah, specifically with the SyncML string table, this compresses almost 10:1
Apr 17 19:17:34 <muthu> it plays certain 3gp file though
Apr 17 19:17:47 <f00f-> does the built in pull parser support it natively?
Apr 17 19:17:54 <Ix-Xitan> :/ why does it work fopr sertain files and for others it does not :/ they are still 3gp and mp4
Apr 17 19:17:55 <jasta> yeah, it uses kxml2
Apr 17 19:18:05 <f00f-> i'm doing just plain ole comma-separated values for now
Apr 17 19:18:08 <muthu> Ix: you need to check the forums
Apr 17 19:18:10 <f00f-> oh ok
Apr 17 19:18:15 <muthu> the kind of compression matters
Apr 17 19:18:24 <Ix-Xitan> oki muthu
Apr 17 19:18:33 <muthu> there's a thread in android-developers
Apr 17 19:18:49 <muthu> megha had explained why its so
Apr 17 19:19:09 <jasta> lunch time, later
Apr 17 19:19:41 <muthu> bed time, later
Apr 17 19:20:10 <f00f-> see you
Apr 17 20:16:55 <mihoshi> Is it possible to have two different Contexts at same place? Ot it is practically a singleton?
Apr 17 21:11:22 <mihoshi> Lol. I designed and implemented a simple variation of WbXml in my ADC app without knowing it O_o
Apr 17 21:12:23 <mihoshi> It's bad to not know modern technologies :(
Apr 17 21:13:11 <jasta> wbxml isnt very modern
Apr 17 21:13:23 <jasta> it was defined in like, 2003?
Apr 17 21:13:30 <jasta> or maybe earlier
Apr 17 21:13:53 <mihoshi> I was working most of that time in a place where STL was considered modern
Apr 17 21:21:06 <mihoshi> Is there any common tool for syncing data with cross-references (i.e. graph)?
Apr 17 22:19:45 <Ix-Xitan> ptuwwwwwwwwwwwww i hate androidddddddddddddddddd i really wish this initiative fails miserablyyyyy
Apr 17 22:30:12 <duey> whats up with all the trolls lately?
Apr 17 22:31:25 <morrildl> duey: has there been more than one?
Apr 17 22:34:31 <Ix-Xitan> duey if you believe that  spending 6 hrs trying to find an encoding of 3gp or mp4 that works but in fact does not is a bit overboard
Apr 17 22:38:48 <duey> morrildl: yeah
Apr 17 22:38:58 <duey> every day
Apr 17 22:39:09 <duey> since adc ended
Apr 17 22:41:03 <Kraln> morrildl: they hate our freedom!
Apr 17 22:41:23 <duey> and the stupid artcles
Apr 17 22:41:28 <mihoshi> It's not the last ADC ;)
Apr 17 22:41:32 <duey> "unstable and slow"
Apr 17 22:42:41 <Ix-Xitan> if i had a doubt of the meaning of "unstable and slow" now i have a practical example named GOOGLE ANDROID
Apr 17 22:49:48 <morrildl> heh
Apr 17 22:49:52 <morrildl> I did get quieter in here
Apr 17 22:50:05 <morrildl> It rather, not I :)
Apr 17 23:00:08 <mihoshi> Had anyone problem wuth Android writing nothing to LogCat?
Apr 17 23:00:59 <michaelnovakjr> nope
Apr 17 23:01:08 <michaelnovakjr> how are you writing it mihoshi?
Apr 17 23:02:16 <mihoshi> michaelnovakjr: Log.i
Apr 17 23:02:25 <michaelnovakjr> hmm, i use Log.d
Apr 17 23:04:14 <mihoshi> michaelnovakjr: It works like all other debug bugs with Android - now it works, and next time it isn't. LogCat is absolutely empty, not even startup ifo is written.
Apr 17 23:04:28 <michaelnovakjr> weird mihoshi
Apr 17 23:04:36 <michaelnovakjr> what OS are you on?
Apr 17 23:06:25 <jasta> morrildl: I'm already back to work on my project :)
Apr 17 23:06:27 <mihoshi> michaelnovakjr: Windows. It is in Eclipse, "adb logcat" shows same lines correctly.
Apr 17 23:07:03 <michaelnovakjr> wait... aren't you using adb logcat?
Apr 17 23:07:30 <mihoshi> michaelnovakjr: I was using Eclipse LogCat tab.
Apr 17 23:08:05 <michaelnovakjr> oh, mihoshi i don't use that :) just adb logcat
Apr 17 23:08:26 <mihoshi> michaelnovakjr: Btw, "adb logcat" writes, besides another, that "thread attach failed". Probably that's the reason
Apr 17 23:08:54 <michaelnovakjr> interesting
Apr 17 23:24:21 <_avatar> mihoshi: that happens to me *all the time*. I've given up on using logcat in the IDE, and always start adb manually with the "logcat" argument.
Apr 17 23:26:23 <mihoshi> _avatar: Does it write "thread attach failed"  as well?
Apr 17 23:26:58 <_avatar> mihoshi: i've seen that message before, but i don't think it says that every time
Apr 17 23:27:04 <_avatar> i could be wrong though
Apr 17 23:29:59 <poffy> Hey Kraln, did the androidchat package file work?
Apr 17 23:32:28 <Kraln> yes?
Apr 17 23:33:20 <poffy> It did?
Apr 17 23:34:38 <mihoshi> Why there is no scripting language in Android API?
Apr 17 23:35:24 <mihoshi> Or is it? They add somthing all the time without saying :)
Apr 17 23:35:41 <f00f-> use your own
Apr 17 23:47:55 <jasta> someone's hitting my server again.......
Apr 17 23:48:26 <jasta> ...and it's google again...
Apr 17 23:48:31 * jasta raises an eyebrow
Apr 17 23:51:28 <poffy>  jasta, are they actually using it this time?
Apr 17 23:52:30 <michaelnovakjr> there are a number of judges ;)
Apr 17 23:53:18 <f00f-> yay
Apr 17 23:53:19 <f00f-> :D
Apr 17 23:54:39 <jasta> poffy: it was morrildl last time, testing stuff
Apr 17 23:54:44 <jasta> and yeah, he used it :)
Apr 17 23:54:54 <mihoshi> jasta: I forgot, what is your project?
Apr 17 23:56:04 <mihoshi> Btw, are there any original and innovative projects submitted?
Apr 17 23:56:22 <jasta> http://android-five.googlecode.com
Apr 17 23:57:06 <poffy> mihoshi, Kraln and I made a location based chat client
Apr 17 23:57:53 <mihoshi> jasta: What protocol do you use for syncing?
Apr 17 23:57:59 <jasta> mihoshi: SyncML
Apr 17 23:58:09 <jasta> libsyncml is used on the server, which is written in C
Apr 17 23:58:11 <mihoshi> jasta: Android's own?
Apr 17 23:58:19 <jasta> Android's own?
Apr 17 23:58:36 <mihoshi> jasta: One that comes with android, or other library?
Apr 17 23:58:47 <jasta> mihoshi: A SyncML library doesn't come with Android
Apr 17 23:59:09 <jasta> what you're seeing is kxml2, which supports WbXML including the SyncML dialect.
Apr 17 23:59:15 <jasta> but that is not a SyncML library.
Apr 17 23:59:23 <jasta> i do use it, however.
Apr 17 23:59:37 <mihoshi> jasta: Oh, I see.
Apr 18 00:00:10 <jasta> I wrote the client library, and as I said I use libsyncml for the server.
Apr 18 00:00:22 <jasta> My client library is very particular, however.  I hacked it up because Funambol's sync4j project really sucks.
Apr 18 00:00:25 <jasta> And is very inefficient.
Apr 18 00:00:47 <mihoshi> jasta: I need to use something to synchronize states of tabletop games. And I try to understand, is SyncML fit for that...
Apr 18 00:01:03 <jasta> i would not say so.
Apr 18 00:01:43 <mihoshi> jasta: I designed my own syncing model, but now is wondering if it would be better to find existing tool
Apr 18 00:01:47 <jasta> SyncML is well suited for simple database synchronization.  It correctly manages conflicts, timestamping, etc.
Apr 18 00:02:38 <mihoshi> poffy: Ah, sorry. Well, is it only location-based chat client submitted?
Apr 18 00:03:31 <poffy> There's one other, but it's somewhat weak, in my opinion
Apr 18 00:03:37 <mihoshi> jasta: Is there a tool that is suited for more somplex state?
Apr 18 00:05:22 <jasta> none that i know of, but i didnt know of syncml when i started my project
Apr 18 00:05:30 <jasta> i searched for something that fit.
Apr 18 00:05:44 <jasta> poffy: i'm sure there are lots, actually ;0
Apr 18 00:06:00 <poffy> NOT AS COOL AS ANDROIDCHAT
Apr 18 00:06:23 <jasta> i havent used androidchat yet, i wouldnt know ;)
Apr 18 00:06:35 <mihoshi> I remember a game, called "banality"... Some word is said, and then each player writes ten words asociated with that word. Then player get as much points for a word, as much it is written by other players. So, more banal you can be, more points you get.
Apr 18 00:07:06 <poffy> androidchat is nice, but it's true capabilities don't shine since there aren't many users on
Apr 18 00:07:22 <jasta> poffy: How do you plan to change that?
Apr 18 00:07:25 <poffy> and none of the users have actual devices
Apr 18 00:07:44 <jasta> i mean when devices launch, how do you plan to encourage folks to install and use it so there is a sufficient community available?
Apr 18 00:07:58 <poffy> By  highlighting significant features and applications
Apr 18 00:08:05 <jasta> and applications?
Apr 18 00:08:10 <poffy> uses
Apr 18 00:08:15 <poffy> The hard part, right now, is that there's really no point to use it
Apr 18 00:08:28 <poffy> since the GPS just has you Cali
Apr 18 00:08:31 <jasta> Right, but there won't ever be a point unless it's a common app
Apr 18 00:08:33 <poffy> not really exciting
Apr 18 00:09:08 <jasta> I would recommend you orient it in such a way that lets the user install it to their phone and forget about it.  when a user or channel is detected nearby, it should notify the user.
Apr 18 00:09:14 <jasta> that way, users can install it, forget they even have it
Apr 18 00:09:22 <jasta> but then you've got little drones walking around building your community
Apr 18 00:09:31 <poffy> That's a pretty cool idea
Apr 18 00:09:40 <jasta> in other words, your project should operate passively.
Apr 18 00:10:03 <poffy> we have that service and notification stuff in place, how would we have it run in the background (and get it started on phone startup) ?
Apr 18 00:10:11 <jasta> Android can do that.
Apr 18 00:10:23 <jasta> BOOT_COMPLETED intent or something like that
Apr 18 00:10:29 <poffy> Oh alright
Apr 18 00:10:34 <poffy> I'll look that up
Apr 18 00:10:42 <jasta> then have it make a persistent connection to whatever mechanism you use to find channels
Apr 18 00:10:49 <jasta> or, better yet
Apr 18 00:10:52 <jasta> utilize the gtalk connection
Apr 18 00:10:56 <mihoshi> Does it require server?
Apr 18 00:11:05 <jasta> and have a server somewhere alert phones when they are near to each other
Apr 18 00:11:16 <poffy> mihoshi, yes. It's essentially IRC server with very nice location features
Apr 18 00:11:21 <jasta> otherwise, like i said, no one will ever use your app and it will flop
Apr 18 00:12:06 <jasta> i personally would rather see something more like a location-based community than simply chat
Apr 18 00:12:09 <jasta> that offers both chat, games, etc.
Apr 18 00:12:17 <mihoshi> Server-independent location-based chat - that would be interesting...
Apr 18 00:12:21 <jasta> so anywhere you are, you can assemble a small community of people nearby to interact with
Apr 18 00:12:26 <jasta> on a deeper level than just text
Apr 18 00:12:36 <jasta> integrating photo sharing, etc stuff like that
Apr 18 00:12:38 <poffy> I understand
Apr 18 00:12:40 <poffy> and you've kinda given me an idea
Apr 18 00:12:56 <poffy> I'll have to talk to Kraln about it
Apr 18 00:12:58 <jasta> but that the community just poofs into existence when users are detected nearby
Apr 18 00:13:14 <jasta> think more expansive than just text, please ;)
Apr 18 00:14:02 <jasta> you could combine with other applications once android takes off to enhance the experience as well.  say there's a networked chess game that comes out.  you could hook into it with intents and offer your community platform as simply a launching point
Apr 18 00:14:07 <jasta> you could do this with many types of apps
Apr 18 00:14:19 <jasta> so you just serve as a way to bring users together, to do whatever their phones can do.
Apr 18 00:14:27 <jasta> chat, share media, play games, ...
Apr 18 00:14:30 <jasta> post information, etc.
Apr 18 00:15:16 <jasta> thing simple, though.  nothing too fancy, just practical small things.
Apr 18 00:15:30 <jasta> like for example, how about a trivia game that you can play with people within a 1/4 mi radius?
Apr 18 00:15:41 <poffy> Yeah, I get it
Apr 18 00:15:41 <mihoshi> Btw, my project is kinda chess game, and I was having such thing in mind when developed it:) I mean, using other apps to find partners, instead of trying to implement everything myself
Apr 18 00:16:06 <jasta> right, this is all the spirit of android.  this is how it's trying to be great.
Apr 18 00:16:10 <jasta> you guys have to latch onto that :)
Apr 18 00:17:19 <mihoshi> :) When i'll finish rewriting my app "right way" fourth time, i'll look into this
Apr 18 00:19:46 <mihoshi> jasta: Btw, what's the point of limiting parners in trivia game by location?
Apr 18 00:21:42 <mihoshi> I think people will prefer to talk with those that they know, instead of just anyone only because they are nearby. This can be interesting tool for finding new friends - yes.
Apr 18 00:22:26 <mihoshi> At least, they have two common things with you - location and phone:)
Apr 18 00:23:44 <mihoshi> On other hand, selection of people on some IRC channels is even more random...
Apr 18 00:30:05 <Kraln> jasta: you need to stop pulling plans out of my head and providing them for all to see
Apr 18 01:05:32 <jasta> what the hell, it's looking like something is going wrong with my app
Apr 18 01:05:47 <jasta> it's been an hour and the sync hasn't finished?  but no data is transmitting?
Apr 18 01:05:53 <jasta> no error, but not finished?
Apr 18 01:05:54 <jasta> hmmmmm
Apr 18 01:07:48 <jasta> ....reeeeallly wish i could see what they're seeing :)
Apr 18 01:10:35 <jasta> fuck it, i'm gonna ignore it.  i can't do anything about it, right?
Apr 18 01:14:02 <romainguy_> what? you don't even have OTA updates for your app?
Apr 18 01:14:23 <jasta> romainguy_: what?
Apr 18 01:15:55 <jasta> i'm actually really confused what state my app must be in right now.
Apr 18 01:16:51 <duey> lol
Apr 18 01:17:05 <jasta> no, really.  like i feel like this is impossible or something.  i must be missing something.
Apr 18 01:17:16 <jasta> no data transmitting, but an open socket and an unfinished sync?
Apr 18 01:17:34 <jasta> it's been like this for like 30 minutes?
Apr 18 01:17:50 <duey> [android-challenge] Suggestion: Pay ADC winners in gold!
Apr 18 01:17:50 <jasta> that's frustrating :\
Apr 18 01:17:56 <duey> ^^ so true
Apr 18 01:18:13 <jasta> romainguy_: there are multiple judges that review each app, right?
Apr 18 01:18:17 <romainguy_> no idea
Apr 18 01:18:23 <romainguy_> and if I knew, I could not tell you :)
Apr 18 01:18:29 <jasta> i sure hope so, because it looks like this judge will give me all 0's ;)
Apr 18 01:18:52 <duey> haha
Apr 18 01:19:30 <jasta> it honestly is acting like the dude just flipped off the data connection
Apr 18 01:19:40 <jasta> not closed the app or the emulator, which would terminate the connection
Apr 18 01:20:09 <jasta> which i guess is fine, it will eventually time out and he can sync again, but what the hell?
Apr 18 01:20:34 <duey> good old Murphy's law
Apr 18 01:20:51 <duey> maybe walked out of wifi range
Apr 18 01:21:36 <duey> its probably just <morrildl>
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Apr 18 01:22:01 <jasta> maybe ill ask him
Apr 18 01:22:14 <duey> lol
Apr 18 01:22:27 <jasta> the judges are using emulators, though
Apr 18 01:22:34 <jasta> i really can't keep looking at this
Apr 18 01:22:38 <jasta> i am going to go absolutely mad
Apr 18 01:23:37 <jasta> worked just fine last time morrildl used it :\
Apr 18 01:26:02 <duey> jasta: yes but they have laptops and laptops have wifi
Apr 18 01:26:05 <duey> could of gone to sleep
Apr 18 01:26:09 <duey> many things
Apr 18 01:26:21 <duey> (gone to sleep is probably more likely)
Apr 18 01:26:23 <jasta> oh shit, it *could* have gone to sleep
Apr 18 01:26:29 <jasta> my app does take a long time to sync
Apr 18 01:27:13 <jasta> that would be terrible if the laptop build they sent to them sleeps after 30 minutes of inactivity and my app takes 35 minutes to complete its first time sync
Apr 18 01:27:17 <jasta> ....oh my god....
Apr 18 01:27:50 <jasta> that would make me so flippin' mad.
Apr 18 01:29:07 <duey> lol jasta
Apr 18 01:29:14 <duey> stressss
Apr 18 01:29:40 <jasta> i feel light headed
Apr 18 01:30:51 <jasta> ironically, i'm working right now on the code that would make the sync times much more reasonable :(
Apr 18 01:30:54 <jasta> like 5 minutes
Apr 18 01:31:01 <jasta> *sigh*
Apr 18 01:34:55 * jasta uses his superior networking skills to determine that the remote peer is totally stoned and therefore my app is not responsible :)
Apr 18 01:35:13 <jasta> i sent it a FIN,ACK and it did not respond.
Apr 18 01:35:26 <jasta> so phew, my app didn't explode, some dude's laptop did.
Apr 18 01:36:11 <duey> :\
Apr 18 01:36:21 <jasta> does that disappoint you? :)
Apr 18 01:37:05 <duey> no it scares me
Apr 18 01:37:30 <duey> i want you to win jasta
Apr 18 01:37:36 <jasta> hmm, i wasn't watching, but it looks like it acknowledged the FIN
Apr 18 01:37:58 <jasta> the connection left FIN_WAIT1, though i can't recall what the timeout is
Apr 18 01:38:07 <jasta> or where it is in the /proc jungle
Apr 18 01:38:17 <jasta> and i had tshark off at the time :)
Apr 18 01:42:40 <jasta> they haven't retried.  i'm really curious what happened here.
Apr 18 01:42:56 <jasta> if their app went to sleep, it must still be sleeping
Apr 18 01:43:09 <jasta> and i wish i was paying attention to see if my FIN was replied to
Apr 18 01:43:14 <jasta> i only watched it for like 20 seconds
Apr 18 01:43:37 <jasta> though i pinged the ip address that the connection came from and got 8ms, so... :)
Apr 18 01:44:07 <jasta> in other news, i'm still at work and the cleaning crew is here...
Apr 18 01:44:25 <jasta> i think one of them is going to murder me.  he stood behind me for like a minute until he finally asked if i had garbage
Apr 18 01:44:44 <jasta> and now i think he's just standing on the other side of my cube
Apr 18 01:44:49 <jasta> i cant hear him moving but i know he's there
Apr 18 01:50:25 <duey> jasta: if you aren't here tomorrow we will know why
Apr 18 01:52:36 <michaelnovakjr> at the sametime.... if we here of a missing cleaning guy we'll know why ;)
Apr 18 02:01:10 <f00f-> wow jasta is living the dangerous life
Apr 18 02:14:06 <jjt009> hello
Apr 18 02:14:23 <jjt009> anyone here?
Apr 18 02:15:17 <jjt009> anyone here?
Apr 18 02:15:17 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
Apr 18 02:15:22 <jjt009> how's it going
Apr 18 02:15:32 <michaelnovakjr> not to shabby... yourself?
Apr 18 02:15:37 <jjt009> got some rest after the challenge?
Apr 18 02:15:39 <jjt009> well
Apr 18 02:16:02 <michaelnovakjr> indeed, working on my servers.... installed my new mail server i have been putting off for a while
Apr 18 02:16:20 <jjt009> i just found a bug in my application server
Apr 18 02:16:30 <jjt009> luckily no judges have tested my app
Apr 18 02:16:53 <michaelnovakjr> i haven't been tracking.... really don't want to know yet :) it'll drive me crazy
Apr 18 02:17:20 <jjt009> michaelnovakjr: yeah, i added the log as a debug feature and i forgot to remove it
Apr 18 02:17:33 <michaelnovakjr> for your server
Apr 18 02:17:34 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Apr 18 02:17:36 <jjt009> yep
Apr 18 02:17:40 <jjt009> request log
Apr 18 02:17:49 <michaelnovakjr> did it grow large?
Apr 18 02:17:55 <jjt009> nope
Apr 18 02:18:07 <jjt009> i haven't posted my apk anywhere
Apr 18 02:18:15 <jjt009> so really only judges can make contact
Apr 18 02:18:16 <michaelnovakjr> same here
Apr 18 02:18:43 <michaelnovakjr> my app server wasn't 100% for normal usage..... getting it ready now for that
Apr 18 02:18:51 <jjt009> right
Apr 18 02:19:00 <jjt009> i have to use PreparedStatements
Apr 18 02:19:07 <jjt009> mine's still vulnerable to SQL injection
Apr 18 02:19:18 <michaelnovakjr> i am running Java WebServices .... :(
Apr 18 02:19:25 <michaelnovakjr> they are good but not the best
Apr 18 02:19:34 <jjt009> i'm thinking about switching to that
Apr 18 02:19:42 <jjt009> because i haven't invested in a full server yet
Apr 18 02:19:44 <michaelnovakjr> if you are look into axis
Apr 18 02:19:54 <jjt009> so essentially my home machine that use for schoolwork is my server
Apr 18 02:19:56 <michaelnovakjr> apache axis is by far the best
Apr 18 02:20:04 <jjt009> thanks
Apr 18 02:20:10 <jjt009> i'll look into that
Apr 18 02:20:12 <michaelnovakjr> i have that connected to a replicated mysql databae
Apr 18 02:20:30 <jjt009> it's free?
Apr 18 02:20:40 <michaelnovakjr> axis is open source :)
Apr 18 02:20:47 <jjt009> awesome
Apr 18 02:20:57 <michaelnovakjr> my whole stack is open source
Apr 18 02:21:06 <jjt009> including your app ?
Apr 18 02:21:09 <michaelnovakjr> solaris, glassfish, axis, mysql
Apr 18 02:21:18 <michaelnovakjr> it will be once cleaned up
Apr 18 02:21:24 <jjt009> that's great
Apr 18 02:21:35 <jjt009> i'm also planning on doing that
Apr 18 02:21:44 <jjt009> if i win, of course
Apr 18 02:21:48 <michaelnovakjr> i have become quite a solaris fan since this project
Apr 18 02:22:04 <michaelnovakjr> i managed solaris 8 servers at an old job and hated it, but solaris 10 isn't bad
Apr 18 02:22:16 <jjt009> yeah, they
Apr 18 02:22:21 <jjt009> 're supposed to be great machines
Apr 18 02:22:43 <jjt009> i've got to go
Apr 18 02:22:46 <jjt009> nice talking to you
Apr 18 02:22:52 <michaelnovakjr> same here.... later
Apr 18 02:36:09 <jasta> lol, are you serious?  there's a bug in kxml2's SyncML string table
Apr 18 02:36:32 <jasta> NumberOfChanged instead of NumberOfChanges
Apr 18 02:36:35 * jasta curses
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