**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 20 02:59:56 2008 Apr 20 07:17:42 ich lebe Apr 20 15:51:25 heya muthu Apr 20 16:55:11 Hi Apr 20 16:55:21 what's up with speech recognition? Apr 20 16:55:31 is it or ain't gonna be done? Apr 20 17:07:05 hello, hello? Apr 20 17:10:09 been googling for info and all I find is arguments, push backs, removal from android api and other worthless mundane crap Apr 20 18:04:13 romainguy: could you answer me for questions on the bottom of topic: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=7337#7337 Apr 20 18:51:21 hello Apr 20 18:51:34 are any of you running servers for your android apps? Apr 20 18:54:23 anyone here? Apr 20 18:56:13 Damn X.500 stole in 1988 all my great ideas I had in last month :( It's encouraging, though, that it took them 4 years to understand something, that took only a week or two for me... Apr 20 18:56:45 jjt001: As for your questions, answers are "yes" and "technically no" Apr 20 19:01:54 nick Apr 20 19:03:45 /elp op Apr 20 19:04:35 muthu: hello Apr 20 19:04:39 hi Apr 20 19:04:51 did you test my app this weekend? Apr 20 19:04:58 what's your app? Apr 20 19:05:06 the businessrate one Apr 20 19:05:09 i sent you the apk Apr 20 19:05:42 oh yes Apr 20 19:05:42 i did Apr 20 19:05:42 nice idea Apr 20 19:06:01 thanks Apr 20 19:06:12 i just found out that my sister shut down my computer this weekend Apr 20 19:06:20 oh oh Apr 20 19:06:33 so i wanted to know if any of you have servers, and if so, have seen any judges Apr 20 19:06:38 make sure its not happening when the judges are in action ;) Apr 20 19:06:47 the judges will probably start this week Apr 20 19:06:55 muthu: they haven't started yet? Apr 20 19:07:04 not sure Apr 20 19:07:15 probably the coming week Apr 20 19:07:22 do you know anyone with a server backing their ap Apr 20 19:07:24 app Apr 20 19:07:33 you need hosting? Apr 20 19:07:46 no, i need to talk to someone who would know whether the judges have started Apr 20 19:07:56 if the person kept server logs, they would know Apr 20 19:08:00 talk to jasta Apr 20 19:08:08 thanks Apr 20 19:08:11 jasta: you here? Apr 20 19:08:28 jasta will be skiing by now Apr 20 19:08:36 probably away for weekend Apr 20 19:08:39 ah, he's taking a break Apr 20 19:08:41 good for him Apr 20 19:08:51 yeah, try during the week Apr 20 19:09:17 i'll do that Apr 20 19:09:34 open question: anyone here running a server for their app? Apr 20 19:09:59 muthu: so what was your app? Apr 20 19:10:22 cooking Apr 20 19:10:28 delivered to your mobile Apr 20 19:10:37 recipes? Apr 20 19:10:41 yes Apr 20 19:10:44 nice Apr 20 19:10:55 share recipes, shopping list etc., with friends Apr 20 19:10:58 do you have public release Apr 20 19:11:00 cool Apr 20 19:11:04 will be soon Apr 20 19:11:15 great Apr 20 19:11:31 it's pretty late in chennai? Apr 20 19:11:39 ooh yeah Apr 20 19:11:41 12:40 Apr 20 19:11:44 PM Apr 20 19:11:45 yes Apr 20 19:11:49 AM Apr 20 19:11:54 yeah, that's what i meant Apr 20 19:12:01 where you work? Apr 20 19:12:12 i'm based in u.s. right now Apr 20 19:12:18 cool Apr 20 19:12:22 i'm planning to return to kerela soon Apr 20 19:12:28 great Apr 20 19:12:34 http://mobeegal.in Apr 20 19:12:37 that's my web Apr 20 19:13:02 this looks broader than just cooking Apr 20 19:13:02 ? Apr 20 19:13:10 that's different Apr 20 19:13:17 cooking for challenge I Apr 20 19:13:22 mobeegal is my vision Apr 20 19:13:26 working on it Apr 20 19:13:27 ok i see Apr 20 19:14:02 did you study at iit madras Apr 20 19:14:20 i've been to iit but not for study ;) Apr 20 19:14:28 ok Apr 20 19:14:37 been in us for master Apr 20 19:14:38 i'm hoping to go there Apr 20 19:14:43 good Apr 20 19:14:55 10yrs in us - had fun Apr 20 19:15:02 what college? Apr 20 19:15:07 now in india - having more fun Apr 20 19:15:29 yeah, india is doing well Apr 20 19:15:39 yes Apr 20 19:15:50 alright, i have to go Apr 20 19:15:54 bye Apr 20 19:15:57 bye Apr 20 21:06:46 anyone home? Apr 20 21:06:52 hello/ Apr 20 21:07:13 anybody? Apr 20 21:07:20 jasta? Apr 20 21:07:23 zhobbs? Apr 20 21:07:35 michaelnovakjr? Apr 20 21:07:44 convivial? Apr 20 21:07:48 hi! Apr 20 21:07:53 how are you? Apr 20 21:07:57 i'm great Apr 20 21:08:00 what abouty you? Apr 20 21:08:15 fine. Apr 20 21:08:23 do you have a server running for your android app? Apr 20 21:08:29 hey, what is up with speech recognition api? Apr 20 21:08:33 no, i do not. Apr 20 21:08:40 not yet implemented Apr 20 21:08:45 like a lot of android libraries Apr 20 21:08:53 hopefully by challenge 2 they will be complete Apr 20 21:11:03 why was it removed? Apr 20 21:11:53 stripped for cash, thinking about selling my Nokia 6630 for $600.00 Apr 20 21:13:42 brb, going to garage to look for loose change to buy a $0.25 bag of chips Apr 20 21:15:09 hah' Apr 20 21:15:26 anyone else here running a server for their app? Apr 20 21:15:34 just an application server Apr 20 21:15:36 ok, let me rephrase this Apr 20 21:15:38 for web services Apr 20 21:15:41 f00f: yeah Apr 20 21:15:53 f00f: do you know if any judges have looked at your app yet Apr 20 21:16:02 f00f: (connected to your server) Apr 20 21:16:08 let me see Apr 20 21:16:15 thanks bro Apr 20 21:17:01 oh fuck, fuck fuck fuck Apr 20 21:17:06 :) Apr 20 21:17:07 maybe! Apr 20 21:17:13 let me investigate Apr 20 21:17:16 access_log Apr 20 21:17:16 found $0.12 !!! Apr 20 21:17:28 need .15 mor Apr 20 21:17:55 f00f: thanks man Apr 20 21:17:57 hmmm, any ideas where change may fall/hide? Apr 20 21:18:04 f00f: that'd be great help Apr 20 21:18:22 jjt001: actually, that's wrong.. no nothing yet :X Apr 20 21:18:27 my app only makes 1 request Apr 20 21:18:30 on startup Apr 20 21:18:38 to check that its pre-bundled cached content is up to date Apr 20 21:18:55 well 1 request per startup Apr 20 21:18:58 so nothing yet Apr 20 21:19:37 i'd say this week, we see some activity though Apr 20 21:19:59 they have 2 weeks to judge them Apr 20 21:20:29 thanks Apr 20 21:27:42 it sucks to be $0.25 away from some food!!! Apr 20 21:29:45 oh well screw it Apr 20 21:34:22 f00f: yeah, my sister shut down my server Apr 20 21:34:42 so i was scared that i had missed some judges Apr 20 21:34:58 f00f: so what's your app? Apr 20 21:57:58 jjt001: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/430 Apr 20 21:58:18 you should have a backup if the server is down though Apr 20 22:05:20 yoyoyo Apr 20 22:05:30 sweeet man Apr 20 22:06:44 f00f: do you have your apk publicly available Apr 20 22:06:50 i'd like to test that out Apr 20 22:10:47 unfortunately, it's not published right now Apr 20 22:11:46 but we're definitely planning to publish it in the next month or two :) Apr 20 22:29:27 i thoguht of a heuristic that just might work to screen scrape lyrics sites with my server component... Apr 20 22:29:53 i'd like to test this out some time next week :) Apr 20 22:31:09 i think it might work to actually perform a google search, go to the top site, and find the largest contiguous block of text that is of the same font size, color, etc and that does not cross the boundaries of certain types of HTML tags Apr 20 22:41:55 jasta: Is it legal-safe? Apr 20 22:44:52 jasta: Though, browsers that shows page only partially (for example, without ads) are legal, so may be this will be legal too. But I don't think that site owners will be happy anyway, if some service leeches a lot of their content for some unknown reason. Apr 20 22:48:23 Does it matter what they want? Or whether it's legal in a particular country? Apr 20 22:49:05 you seem to be concerned about not distributing illegal music though :P Apr 20 22:49:19 As an open source developer, I have the luxury to ignore such obstacles :) Apr 20 22:49:28 actually, lyrics in some jursdictions have wavy rights Apr 20 22:49:28 f00f-: For the challenge, I am concerned about that. Apr 20 22:49:41 And for the challenge, I would not have this lyrics feature in either. Apr 20 22:49:42 in the US though, who's gonna sue you? :) Apr 20 22:49:51 But the challenge doesn't represent the life of my project :) Apr 20 22:50:01 implement first, ask legal questions later Apr 20 22:50:08 yeah, definitely Apr 20 22:50:09 f00f-: The RIAA, of course, but in the US software developer is covered under our first amendment right of free speech. Apr 20 22:50:11 challenge is just a good push Apr 20 22:50:16 The author cannot be the target of the lawsuit, only the users. Apr 20 22:50:37 as has been shown... Apr 20 22:50:45 was the precedent set in the sony betamax case? Apr 20 22:50:48 i forget Apr 20 22:50:59 Exactly, which means I'll do what I want :) If users are afraid, they don't have to turn it on. Apr 20 22:51:02 It'll be an opt-in ;) Apr 20 22:51:20 But I personally want this feature, and would use it often hehe Apr 20 22:52:24 This is a convenient angle I can take to please end users as well, who generally don't agree with the legal dilemma of lyric distribution Apr 20 22:52:33 lyrics* Apr 20 22:52:49 i rarely need lyrics Apr 20 22:52:50 in fact Apr 20 22:52:52 I mean, convenient because I am an open source developer and need not fear such things :) Apr 20 22:52:55 i need reverse lookup Apr 20 22:52:59 i use lyrics to find song names Apr 20 22:53:12 that would be a neat feature too ;) Apr 20 22:53:23 full text indexing on them and search patterns Apr 20 22:53:30 yes! Apr 20 22:53:42 usually i plug "quoted strings" into google Apr 20 22:53:44 and it usually works Apr 20 22:53:50 but have to go through a lot of weeding out the results Apr 20 22:54:07 jasta: besides the lyrics, there's also the question of screen-scraping other websites Apr 20 22:54:29 the fact that you are an open source developer shouldn't give you the rights to abuse other people's resources :)) Apr 20 22:55:57 i don't need the right, though Apr 20 22:56:38 i see your point, trust me :) Apr 20 22:56:47 OSS rebels! Apr 20 22:59:30 i just don't generally tolerate these sorts of obstacles. i can just happily attach it as a modular component to my project and proceed blamelessly. i am personally willing to abuse their resources, detract from their ad revenue, and copy content without right in my own country. anyone else would be free to make such a decision on their behalf :) Apr 20 23:00:12 That's a great attitude... Apr 20 23:00:21 Ah well Apr 20 23:02:50 yeah, civil protest is a good attitude. Apr 20 23:03:54 the bottom line is that i am frustrated by the legal enforcement position taken by the RIAA, and am willing to demonstrate that frustration through action. Apr 20 23:05:51 aren't lyrics sites illegal anyway? Apr 20 23:05:53 that it is illegal and heavily enforced is not sufficient argument to convince me that consumers don't deserve it as part of their purchase of the music Apr 20 23:06:01 double negative Apr 20 23:07:36 bbl, gotta go get my new glasses Apr 20 23:07:48 i should go and buy a new pair of shoes Apr 20 23:09:24 jasta: the bottom line is that i am frustrated by the legal enforcement position taken by the RIAA, and am willing to demonstrate that frustration through action. << the funny thing is to remember why the RIAA started acting like this in the first place... Apr 20 23:14:15 riaa are just afraid of change **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 21 02:59:56 2008