**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 22 02:59:57 2008 Apr 22 03:31:38 graar Apr 22 03:33:53 be happy Apr 22 03:35:41 morrildl: pieved the gsoc people stole your thunder? =) Apr 22 03:35:51 they did? Apr 22 03:36:22 but no, they can HAVE my thunder, and welcome to it ;) Apr 22 03:36:32 =) Apr 22 03:36:56 having a hell of a time with those laptops? Apr 22 03:40:08 Kraln: nah, they're not our problem anymore, now they belong to Shipping :) Apr 22 03:41:02 :-) Apr 22 03:44:08 morrildl: so you've had a chance to relax a bit? Apr 22 03:45:17 heh Apr 22 03:45:27 haha not really huh Apr 22 03:45:30 more like "be sick without the world burning down" rather than "rest" :) Apr 22 03:45:53 oh hey, can I ask you something in private message? Apr 22 03:47:09 unrelated to adc, but very related to android and pr Apr 22 03:51:47 well, can't hurt Apr 22 04:00:35 morrildl: is Google still planning to meet the May 5th date or was that just a placeholder anyway? Apr 22 04:02:16 jasta: it's still the plan Apr 22 04:02:39 doesn't give the judges a lot of time. do each of the 100 have to review all 1800 submissions? Apr 22 04:03:02 each submission gets a panel of 4 judges Apr 22 04:03:12 ends up with each judge needing to review around 75 apps Apr 22 04:03:23 ahh, that doesn't seem too tough Apr 22 04:03:27 heh Apr 22 04:03:37 randomly chosen panels? Apr 22 04:03:41 well the program has to restart the emulator with a -wipe-date every time Apr 22 04:03:45 jasta: of course :) Apr 22 04:04:10 cryptographically strong? :) Apr 22 04:04:14 hehe, jk Apr 22 04:04:57 heh Apr 22 04:05:06 well, I seeded the RNG with current time Apr 22 04:05:10 ...in nanos Apr 22 04:05:36 i saw on the judges page that you guys say you're announcing the names of the judges? Apr 22 04:05:42 or at least something about them Apr 22 04:05:53 is that going to happen soon? Apr 22 04:24:57 hey molkko Apr 22 04:25:14 gngn Apr 22 04:25:17 hi morrildl :)) Apr 22 04:26:06 jasta: yes that is the plan Apr 22 04:26:20 excellent Apr 22 04:26:22 (not that I'm idle IMing with people and surfing stupid web sites or anything) Apr 22 04:26:28 * jasta prepares a basket of fruit and candy ;) Apr 22 04:26:49 morrildl: that's exactly what i do everyday Apr 22 04:27:03 hehe Apr 22 04:27:07 hehehe Apr 22 04:28:01 i am really enjoying the server part of my project. implementing a dbus system service and integrating inotify now :) Apr 22 04:28:12 (started the branch of my project which is not to be portable) Apr 22 04:28:14 hey guys Apr 22 04:28:40 hello Apr 22 04:28:42 if my project takes data that already exists on the web and pools it into one simple application, it is useful Apr 22 04:28:45 ? Apr 22 04:29:02 specifically, my app is a business rate program Apr 22 04:29:03 how could we answer that question generically? Apr 22 04:29:19 i know that things like yelp and local.yahoo.com already exist Apr 22 04:29:45 perhaps you should step back for a minute ans ask yourself: will I get use out of this application? Apr 22 04:29:55 if yes, then you have your answer at least on a small scale :) Apr 22 04:30:05 if no, best not to write it. Apr 22 04:30:10 but my application pools data from all of these sites together and adds it to its own database data Apr 22 04:30:22 and then displays this to the user Apr 22 04:30:23 who will use it? Apr 22 04:30:47 what i'm asking is, the same functionality already exists in web services that exist on webpages Apr 22 04:31:00 muthu: i'm trying to figure that out Apr 22 04:31:05 oh oh Apr 22 04:31:06 muthu: i know i would Apr 22 04:31:06 ah web services Apr 22 04:31:16 :) Apr 22 04:31:27 jjt009: first find out who your users are Apr 22 04:31:36 then do something they'll love Apr 22 04:31:41 hey michael Apr 22 04:31:45 hey Apr 22 04:32:16 it kind of does what an phone email client does...it gives the user the ability to avoid using the browser Apr 22 04:33:12 so would that be considered repetitive or convenient? Apr 22 04:33:17 that's what i'm trying to hit at Apr 22 04:33:22 muthu: I see no further mails from you -.- Apr 22 04:33:36 jjt009: I am having a hard time understanding why you need us to answer that for you. Apr 22 04:33:54 jasta: i'm just looking for opinions Apr 22 04:34:15 why? the answer isn't too obvious Apr 22 04:34:47 isn't it? isn't it easy to determine if you like one interface better than another? Apr 22 04:35:19 hmm, sleep time Apr 22 04:35:31 Kraln: hey bud Apr 22 04:35:46 take your time, no rush Apr 22 04:35:58 i need to have something to roll out Apr 22 04:36:05 before taking up the server space Apr 22 04:36:08 its coming soon.. Apr 22 04:36:38 jasta: true Apr 22 04:37:07 open question: so would a business rate application be something that you would use? Apr 22 04:37:23 i mean, one interface would presumably have very high latency compared to the other. do you suppose users like to wait for things or would they prefer data instantly available? Apr 22 04:37:32 jjt009: No, not at all. Sounds silly :) Apr 22 04:37:41 jjt009: i don't see a compelling use case Apr 22 04:38:14 what is a business rate? Apr 22 04:38:39 michaelnovakjr: rating businesses you have visited and searching for highly rated ones when you need to go somewhere Apr 22 04:38:42 essentially Apr 22 04:39:09 can't you think of something more useful than that to build? :) Apr 22 04:39:15 why not do a better business bureau app then? Apr 22 04:39:31 don't make users rate the businesses :) get the data from somewhere else Apr 22 04:39:47 jasta: no, i already built it Apr 22 04:40:01 adn you can't tell if you like the interface more than going to a web page? Apr 22 04:41:23 jjt009: nobody will be able to tell you whether your app is great, except you Apr 22 04:41:48 i suppose it speaks volumes if you aren't even sure that you find it useful or superior to what already exists ;) Apr 22 04:46:49 jasta: i guess it was a more general question than i made it seem? Apr 22 04:46:57 it's not about my interface Apr 22 04:47:15 i guess i see what you're saying Apr 22 04:47:38 and i think my application would be useful, but then again my assumptions could be very wrong Apr 22 04:47:42 that's why i asked Apr 22 04:47:50 feedback from other people is always useful Apr 22 04:48:05 muthu: i'm talking about the app that i sent you Apr 22 04:49:16 anyone here? Apr 22 04:55:08 jjt009: yeah saw your app Apr 22 04:55:21 muthu: so what did you think? Apr 22 04:56:10 it might be useful in finding out for example, restaurants Apr 22 04:56:22 yeah, that's the whole point Apr 22 04:56:27 finding restaurants, hotels, whatnot Apr 22 04:56:31 you need to narrow it down Apr 22 04:56:42 is it integrated with maps? Apr 22 04:56:47 i'm sure zagat's is going to write an app Apr 22 04:56:49 because doesn't google maps also offer this data? Apr 22 04:56:59 i think so Apr 22 04:57:03 yes, google maps offers the data Apr 22 04:57:13 seems like thats the best way to get at it, too Apr 22 04:57:22 but then the user has to access the browser and experience slower performance, etc. Apr 22 04:57:46 google maps doesn't require the browser Apr 22 04:58:08 oh, the google maps on the phone? i don't think so Apr 22 04:58:15 well, it could. google has the data. Apr 22 04:58:17 jjt009: you can make this only for your friends Apr 22 04:58:21 at least not currently implemented Apr 22 04:58:25 a mini social network, where you share your rating Apr 22 04:58:35 oh, enough of the social crap :) Apr 22 04:58:36 muthu: that's like kudostar Apr 22 04:58:44 not really what i was thinking Apr 22 04:58:47 ok Apr 22 04:59:15 i would not worry about people doing it already Apr 22 04:59:20 so what do you mean by narrowing? Apr 22 04:59:34 just restaurants or something similar? Apr 22 04:59:40 wouldn't that reduce functionality? Apr 22 04:59:59 i do a mobile search engine Apr 22 05:00:04 i face similar problems Apr 22 05:00:08 what's the scope? Apr 22 05:00:21 too much info sometimes is not good Apr 22 05:00:26 the user gets lost in it Apr 22 05:00:30 right Apr 22 05:00:46 michaelnovakjr: true Apr 22 05:00:54 muthu: scope? Apr 22 05:01:06 Hi!!! Apr 22 05:01:10 hello Apr 22 05:03:02 I´m starting with Android. And right now, I´m studing how to desing UI in XML Apr 22 05:03:22 cool Apr 22 05:03:45 could anybody explain to me, how it works: android:layout_height="wrap_content" Apr 22 05:04:09 if I put this value "wrap_content" Apr 22 05:04:38 In a widget´s atribute Apr 22 05:04:48 in a nutshell, it means that the view is to be as big as necessary, not as big as possible. Apr 22 05:05:06 humm Apr 22 05:05:08 nice Apr 22 05:05:17 thanks a lot jasta Apr 22 05:05:43 this is contrasted with fill_parent, in which the view is to match the size of its parent for the specified attribute. Apr 22 05:06:24 or a specific dimension, such as 32px. there are other layout options as well, but they aren't specified this way. Apr 22 05:06:34 yes... I got it to fill_parent! =D Apr 22 05:06:51 for example, layout_weight is often what you want when you wish to have a view to grow to take up as much remaining space as possible Apr 22 05:06:52 ok! thank you very much Apr 22 05:07:40 I´m doing some examples here Apr 22 05:07:49 but the emulator is too slow Apr 22 05:10:30 agreed Apr 22 05:10:50 as romain said, you want the emulator to be slow ;) Apr 22 05:12:11 jasta: i just checked, maps doesn't have that functionality Apr 22 05:12:25 perhaps you should add it when the source becomes available? :) Apr 22 05:13:32 i don't if google is accepting contributions from open source devs Apr 22 05:13:52 huh? Apr 22 05:14:13 sorry, add word "know" between "don't" and "if" Apr 22 05:14:17 if google releases the source, they don't have much choice, do they? Apr 22 05:14:27 jasta: actually, they do Apr 22 05:14:28 under the Apache License, they give up that control Apr 22 05:14:36 jjt009: Actually, they don't. Read the license. Apr 22 05:15:05 yeah, but cell carriers and makers aren't going to put non-google versions of android on their phones Apr 22 05:15:11 that's what i'm certain of Apr 22 05:15:24 What gives you that certainty? Apr 22 05:15:40 i'm pretty sure i read it somewhere Apr 22 05:15:53 expect customized android versions Apr 22 05:15:55 If Google stubbornly refuses quality, stable contributions from the community, what would prevent other members of the OHA from side-stepping them? Apr 22 05:16:15 nothing Apr 22 05:16:20 furthermore, why would Google release the source code if they intended no one to contribute to it? Apr 22 05:16:35 to say their code is open source Apr 22 05:16:37 for the glory Apr 22 05:16:43 huh what? Apr 22 05:17:01 michaelnovakjr: you have a direct connection to the net? Apr 22 05:17:10 jjt009: Do we need to bring out the lart ray or will you kindly put your brain back in order. Apr 22 05:17:29 -. +? Apr 22 05:17:32 ;) Apr 22 05:17:47 we'll see Apr 22 05:17:53 maybe i'm wrong Apr 22 05:17:58 that's just the feeling i get Apr 22 05:19:16 jjt009: people are actively booting android on custom devices Apr 22 05:19:51 custom versions are not mainstream Apr 22 05:19:55 there are atleast a few small players who are working on android devices Apr 22 05:20:04 mainstream.. oh right Apr 22 05:20:08 i'm talking about google adopting contributions into their official releases Apr 22 05:20:23 why not Apr 22 05:20:40 they'll follow the standard opensource practices Apr 22 05:20:53 svn. commits? Apr 22 05:21:05 maybe Apr 22 05:21:23 that will be a first for google.. Apr 22 05:22:18 what about Guice or GWT? Apr 22 05:22:37 romainguy__: GWT? Apr 22 05:22:59 http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/ Apr 22 05:23:05 o, right Apr 22 05:23:09 that's open source Apr 22 05:23:14 hey, i didn't know that Apr 22 05:23:40 but google has hired devs working on the project, right? Apr 22 05:24:07 uh? Apr 22 05:24:19 GWT, i mean Apr 22 05:24:33 you mean Google has employees working on it? Apr 22 05:24:46 yes Apr 22 05:25:03 just as I am an employee working on Android, yes Apr 22 05:25:46 a lot of phase I submitter have said, they'll be moving on to iphone if they don't win Apr 22 05:25:48 I think he means Google´s employees working on GWT Apr 22 05:26:06 muthu: that's a big port Apr 22 05:26:12 right Apr 22 05:26:24 and don't see the logic really Apr 22 05:26:42 going from platform-specific java apis to objective c Apr 22 05:26:45 that's quite difficult Apr 22 05:26:57 and what does it buy you? Apr 22 05:27:13 currently released platform and a stable userbase Apr 22 05:27:16 if your app sucks on emulator, it would suck big time on a real device ;) Apr 22 05:27:19 good things, sure Apr 22 05:27:48 hmm Apr 22 05:28:15 muthu: not necessarily Apr 22 05:28:19 it depends on so many factors... Apr 22 05:28:29 (if you're talking about performance that is :)) Apr 22 05:28:44 no, i'm not talking about performance Apr 22 05:28:52 ah, ok then :) Apr 22 05:29:14 either you have faith in your app, or you don't Apr 22 05:29:27 moving from one platform to the other is not going to help Apr 22 05:30:08 may be the developers want some closure Apr 22 05:31:17 android activity is picking up in india, btw Apr 22 05:33:02 romainguy_: autoswitching between modes is tackled for next release? Apr 22 05:33:51 between what modes? Apr 22 05:33:57 touch/key Apr 22 05:34:04 what do you mean by autoswitching? Apr 22 05:34:16 its been documented in issue tracker Apr 22 05:34:29 what do you mean by autoswitching? Apr 22 05:34:46 it requires an extra click if you want to switch from key to touch or viceversa Apr 22 05:34:57 and that's the way it is Apr 22 05:35:16 really, that's on purpose? Apr 22 05:35:22 in the tracker, it says its been worked on for improvement Apr 22 05:35:38 muthu: so assuming my database contained all of maps.google.com's and local.yahoo.com's information, would you use it? Apr 22 05:35:39 because there were bugs in the support for touch mode in several components, most notably listview Apr 22 05:35:41 but that's the way it works Apr 22 05:35:55 muthu: over maps.google.com or local.yahoo.com themselves? Apr 22 05:36:09 jjt009: why should i use yours? Apr 22 05:37:06 muthu: faster than using a browser, data from fellow android users, data from a multitude of sites Apr 22 05:37:15 simple ui Apr 22 05:37:49 jjt009: whether people will use your app is a million dollar question Apr 22 05:38:02 muthu: i know, but what about you? Apr 22 05:38:15 if you needed to find a restaurant in a new town, for example Apr 22 05:38:33 if you are providing an alternate for google, you better be damn good about it Apr 22 05:38:52 google ratings Apr 22 05:39:04 of which there aren't many Apr 22 05:39:11 that's why a phone app would be so useful Apr 22 05:39:15 so much easier to rate Apr 22 05:39:30 who wants to go to a site and waste time rating a business? Apr 22 05:40:07 jjt009: are you doing it fulltime? Apr 22 05:40:14 nope Apr 22 05:40:21 i'm still in high school Apr 22 05:40:29 ok Apr 22 05:40:40 then just do it Apr 22 05:40:55 but if i was fulltime? Apr 22 05:44:56 alright got to go Apr 22 05:45:00 bye everyone Apr 22 05:55:08 is there a channel where the google founders hang out? Apr 22 05:55:19 hehe, need to touch base with them ;) Apr 22 06:12:54 maybe #google Apr 22 06:13:08 jerkface03: nah Apr 22 06:13:20 don't think they would be hanging out in public forums Apr 22 07:08:44 anyone win yet?!?! Apr 22 07:10:40 jtoy: you know any? Apr 22 07:24:33 jasta won all 50 Apr 22 07:25:07 plus challenge II Apr 22 07:29:53 ehehehh Apr 22 08:10:48 Is WbxmlParser in Android functional? Apr 22 09:10:28 re Apr 22 09:48:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhgNZ5wMz2A&feature=user Apr 22 09:51:11 muthu: nice vudeo style Apr 22 09:53:40 yeah, looks great Apr 22 14:57:17 yawn Apr 22 14:58:08 lol Apr 22 14:58:11 you waking up the room? Apr 22 14:59:33 i suppose Apr 22 15:00:51 lol Apr 22 15:37:50 the room sure is quite in the morning Apr 22 15:40:41 very quiet Apr 22 15:42:26 would help if I could spell Apr 22 15:44:44 lol Apr 22 15:47:18 haha, morrildl how's the sdk coming! Apr 22 15:47:36 i have a timing issue i have to resolve in my application Apr 22 15:51:02 I like that he made the topic that the channel is too quiet. Apr 22 15:51:08 thats what i call action Apr 22 15:52:06 NOISE Apr 22 15:55:39 yeah really, where is that new SDK? :) Apr 22 15:55:44 i thought we'd be getting it like apr 15th :) Apr 22 15:56:07 like ya'll were just waiting for the challenge deadline to pass Apr 22 16:07:35 haha jasta that is what i thought Apr 22 16:08:31 i guess i'd better head into work Apr 22 16:08:36 i'll futz with inotify later Apr 22 16:09:04 YO MO JO! Apr 22 16:11:47 Google MyLocation seems interesting Apr 22 16:29:07 * Kraln tings muthu with an email Apr 22 16:29:39 * poffy pokes Kraln Apr 22 16:30:18 oof. that tickles Apr 22 16:32:06 Kraln: got your mail Apr 22 16:32:10 checking it Apr 22 16:32:42 centos 4 or 5? which you suggest? Apr 22 16:33:27 its up to you. five is obviously the most recent, but there's not a huge amount of difference for a vps Apr 22 16:34:02 5 Apr 22 16:34:18 i use 5 with no complaints Apr 22 16:34:23 ok Apr 22 16:35:16 centos? lol :) Apr 22 16:35:52 jasta: what? Apr 22 16:35:56 not good? Apr 22 16:36:03 it blows Apr 22 16:36:05 use ubuntu Apr 22 16:36:21 Kraln: you have ubuntu? Apr 22 16:36:50 muthu: RedHat-based distros are miserably deficient. If you want my opinion anyway :) Apr 22 16:37:16 i use fc8.. so Apr 22 16:37:34 have you tried Ubuntu? Apr 22 16:37:44 when comparing between fc & ubuntu 2 yrs back.. ubuntu crashed Apr 22 16:37:52 then went with fc6about:myworld Apr 22 16:38:00 you know that ubuntu and fc use the same software, right? :) Apr 22 16:38:22 yeah but it matters what gets bundled and how Apr 22 16:38:32 muthu: I have no idea why you'd want ubuntu on a server, but I can get it, yes Apr 22 16:38:35 haha, i run my mail server on centos and it works great Apr 22 16:38:42 I'd recommend Debian for the server. Apr 22 16:38:44 centos is redhat enterprise linux without the support contract. Apr 22 16:38:45 as far as for desktop i use Ubuntu Apr 22 16:38:51 Kraln: yes i know Apr 22 16:39:00 just checking Apr 22 16:39:12 RedHat is just so sloppy Apr 22 16:39:15 even the enterprise version Apr 22 16:39:25 very poor quality work goes into it Apr 22 16:39:28 jasta: that's an opinion, and it's not one the majority shares Apr 22 16:39:41 centos is pretty widely used and stable Apr 22 16:39:46 fc8 isnt too bad Apr 22 16:39:50 centos blows though Apr 22 16:40:03 had no problems with fc so far Apr 22 16:40:05 it just works Apr 22 16:40:06 my mail server never gives me a problem Apr 22 16:40:12 I'd like to see some centos haters give some examples Apr 22 16:40:16 other than 'it blows' Apr 22 16:40:22 ubuntu just works better. Apr 22 16:40:22 lol Apr 22 16:40:30 well i use it at school Apr 22 16:40:30 yeah, like THAT is an argument Apr 22 16:40:33 and it crashes all the time Apr 22 16:40:34 ubuntu is just as buggy Apr 22 16:40:39 oh, I see, so you fail at using it so it must suck! Apr 22 16:40:44 i constantly have my machine freeze on me Apr 22 16:40:44 lol Apr 22 16:41:02 you know, most system instability is hardware related Apr 22 16:41:04 i wouldn't want my server freezing Apr 22 16:41:14 well we have a vast range of hardwares Apr 22 16:41:20 michaelnovakjr: my server and everything running on it doesn't freeze Apr 22 16:41:24 the system freezing is not likely the fault of the distro, is what i was mentioning before. Apr 22 16:41:52 it is more likely X and/or it's drivers, Linux and/or it's drivers, or hardware. Apr 22 16:42:25 Kraln: so i should sign up with google checkout? Apr 22 16:42:31 i have just found that it is buggier and less responsive then my ubuntu system Apr 22 16:42:31 what is the distro's fault, however, is a very poor package management system, poorly maintained and inflexible dependencies, etc. Apr 22 16:42:38 also it is a pain to admin. Apr 22 16:42:45 i'd say just run solaris :) Apr 22 16:42:48 and yum is slow to resolve dependencies. Apr 22 16:42:49 haha Apr 22 16:42:49 and that would be RedHat's deficiency ;) Apr 22 16:42:56 muthu: that's the ideal, yes Apr 22 16:42:58 my mail server is my only non-solaris server Apr 22 16:43:08 i eval centos 2 yrs back and liked it Apr 22 16:43:23 have you evaled ubuntu> Apr 22 16:43:23 ? Apr 22 16:43:34 i use to use Fedora core too Apr 22 16:43:45 but when i was trying it it had no support for wireless cards Apr 22 16:43:54 then i switched to ubuntu and my wifi just worked. Apr 22 16:43:55 dpkg and apt represent a major improvement over rpm and yum. There's no doubt about that. Apr 22 16:43:59 so ive stuck with it since Apr 22 16:44:21 jasta: and emerge > apt Apr 22 16:44:23 Of course, if you really like centos, and you dont like yum you can always install apt on it Apr 22 16:44:25 and ports > emerge Apr 22 16:44:29 this is a religious discussion Apr 22 16:44:36 lol yes it is. Apr 22 17:16:08 i didn't back down because i think ports > emerge > apt, but because i had work to do :) Apr 22 17:16:35 also, the absurdity of that statement speaks for itself, i think :) Apr 22 17:17:00 hehe, sorry, i'm just baiting ;) Apr 22 17:18:17 mmm nightcrawlers Apr 22 17:21:45 long live windows server 2003!! Apr 22 17:21:46 grr, i hate gcc4's new default when headers are missing Apr 22 17:23:41 lol Apr 22 17:25:36 why in the hell would i want it to ignore headers it can't find? do i think that the headers are magically unnecessary? ugh. Apr 22 17:30:32 Kraln: is it billed at the end of month? Apr 22 17:36:54 Kraln: website again, sorry missed it Apr 22 17:39:11 anyone remember.. its not rimuhosting Apr 22 17:43:17 is it something like kajunet ?? Apr 22 17:43:57 iPhone SDK lacks mapping function (Android doesn’t of course) - http://blog.pocketjourney.com/ Apr 22 17:44:36 muthu: it's billed whenever you want it to be billed. is now good? Apr 22 17:45:31 yeah lets do it Apr 22 17:47:38 muthu: let me set you up with the vps. when you get it set up how you want, we can start billing Apr 22 17:47:47 great Apr 22 17:50:51 * Kraln finds you an ip Apr 22 17:50:57 cool Apr 22 17:51:15 38.105.84.198 sound good? Apr 22 17:51:26 i dont know Apr 22 17:52:02 all i care is its a public IP right? Apr 22 17:53:07 it is, yes Apr 22 17:53:50 when users all around the world, hits the server - it must be available.. thats all. Apr 22 17:54:57 gotcha. =) Apr 22 17:55:44 have an important date coming.. early next week. so need to get it up and running before that Apr 22 17:57:51 gotcha Apr 22 17:58:23 lot of releases scheduled anyways Apr 22 17:58:52 Kraln: would you be the point of support? Apr 22 17:59:24 I am one of many Apr 22 17:59:59 ok..i'll bug you anyways if something is wrong Apr 22 18:09:53 of course =) Apr 22 18:10:08 anything you want installed by default (other than yum?) Apr 22 18:10:12 cool Apr 22 18:10:25 you have my requirements? Apr 22 18:10:34 Apache latest Apr 22 18:10:37 PHP latest Apr 22 18:10:44 yeah. quite honestly, that's something you should set up yourself Apr 22 18:11:04 why? Apr 22 18:11:11 I have no idea what your requirements are, and the default configurations may not apply. Apr 22 18:11:20 ok Apr 22 18:11:30 give me the info Apr 22 18:11:32 yep Apr 22 18:11:54 thx Apr 22 18:12:33 got it Apr 22 18:12:50 yes please Apr 22 18:13:26 oh that was your suggestion.. great Apr 22 18:17:19 muthu: I'm not going to restrict your bandwidth Apr 22 18:17:33 wow, great Apr 22 18:17:39 just expect to be renegotiating with me if you greatly exceed what's reasonable. Apr 22 18:17:45 oh yes Apr 22 18:17:54 that's the whole reason going with you Apr 22 18:18:03 as I said, I'm going to get dinged for about $15/mbit in overages Apr 22 18:18:05 what are you guys working on? Apr 22 18:18:13 Dougie187: I'm selling him vps hosting Apr 22 18:18:21 cool Apr 22 18:29:42 Kraln: thanks, just login and checked Apr 22 18:29:49 will set it up in the coming weeks Apr 22 18:29:53 k Apr 22 18:31:37 if any issues, we'll email you with the problem Apr 22 18:31:57 most of the setup will happen, during IST daytime Apr 22 18:32:04 if you email support@digitaldomainmd.com it'll buzz the entire support staff Apr 22 18:32:13 cool Apr 22 18:32:19 noting down.. forgot your website Apr 22 18:32:28 (its the second half of that email) Apr 22 18:32:51 ok Apr 22 18:37:56 Kraln: is selling VPS hosting now? Apr 22 18:38:30 Yes, I still have space available. Apr 22 18:39:50 gimme a quote on 100 GB/mo transfer, 256 MB RAM Apr 22 18:46:16 * Kraln gives muthu a dirty look Apr 22 18:46:20 f00f-: sure, one sec Apr 22 18:46:23 lol Apr 22 18:46:56 Kraln: good night, time to bed. Apr 22 18:46:59 nite muthu Apr 22 18:47:11 nite f00f- Apr 22 18:47:34 f00f-: let me check on the memory Apr 22 18:47:43 ok Apr 22 18:48:14 looks like about $15/mo Apr 22 18:48:56 not bad Apr 22 18:50:55 I'd say its pretty good =) Apr 22 18:51:31 what's the host? Apr 22 18:52:18 huh? me Apr 22 18:52:33 my machines are in the cavtel datacenter in washington, dc Apr 22 19:36:45 Kraln whats your datacenter rent like? Apr 22 19:49:03 michaelnovakjr: nonexistant Apr 22 19:49:31 how so? Apr 22 19:54:24 if I explained to your my competitive differentiation, I wouldn't have it, now would I? Apr 22 19:58:33 uh sure Apr 22 20:01:52 I've already said too much Apr 22 20:02:02 curious about colo? Apr 22 20:10:19 i was curious as to what it costs to get space at one Apr 22 20:20:57 depends on who you know and what datacenter. if you're looking to colo I could come up with a price Apr 22 20:22:40 Kraln, what happens when your server takes a dive and you're off on vacation? Apr 22 20:23:14 davidw: if (one) of my (multiply redundant) servers takes a dive and I am off on vacation, one of my other support staffers will respond Apr 22 20:44:54 Do I have to make some noise to save the channel? :) Apr 22 20:46:26 Personaly I'm catching up with my work... at work and my life at home... Apr 22 20:46:47 I've got an issue trying to update the UI of an activity based on responses sent via IPC Apr 22 20:46:54 but nobody cares in fact :) Apr 22 20:47:12 I've created a handler to dispatch messages from the thread that's doing the IPC into the thread that's doing the UI Apr 22 20:47:26 except that the handler does not stick to just one thread Apr 22 20:47:40 (it runs first on the ui thread, then later on when ipc happens it runs on the ipc thread) Apr 22 20:47:48 has this happened to anyone else? am I doing this wrong? :\ Apr 22 20:47:52 you should create the handler once in the right thread Apr 22 20:47:57 I have. Apr 22 20:48:19 mmmh... Apr 22 20:48:21 I've created a handler, and I explicitly test it by sending a junk message (which I handle correctly) in onStart Apr 22 20:48:38 later, I send that same handler a message from a method that gets called via IPC Apr 22 20:48:42 and the handler runs in the wrong thread Apr 22 20:50:15 if you'd like, I can zip everything up and host it for testing Apr 22 20:50:17 what method are you calling to send your message ? Apr 22 20:51:05 I've created a convenience method: void handle(int notification) { Handler h = mHandler; Message msg = h.obtainMessage(notification); h.dispatchMessage(msg); } Apr 22 20:51:27 mHandler is the member handler reference for that class Apr 22 20:51:35 (the activity, not service) Apr 22 20:52:36 use sendMessage Apr 22 20:52:54 not dispatchMessage Apr 22 20:52:57 I'll try that, thanks Apr 22 20:53:17 oh shoot Apr 22 20:53:23 ha. damnit, now I see the problem Apr 22 20:53:27 :) Apr 22 20:53:45 well, now I feel like an idiot, after posting a "zomg shit is broken" thread on the newsgroups. Apr 22 20:53:54 you technically "received" your message in the thread calling "dispatchmessage" Apr 22 20:54:48 that's ok, the point is to make your stuff working. Apr 22 20:55:21 :) Apr 22 20:55:27 glad it helps Apr 22 20:55:39 it does, time to test it out Apr 22 20:55:57 it will work :) Apr 22 20:56:20 Now, since I have your ear, I'm using the plugin for eclipse. Occasionally, LogCat will show no log messags. Is this a known issue, do you know? Apr 22 20:56:37 I have that sometimes... Apr 22 20:57:03 reselect the emulator instance in DDMS perspective Apr 22 20:57:24 or go in a terminal and type adb logcat, this doesn't fail Apr 22 20:57:50 reselecting the emu doesn't seem to ever work Apr 22 20:57:52 sometimes switching views (by clicking on tabls in eclipse bring back logcat Apr 22 20:58:05 ok, then restart eclipse Apr 22 20:58:47 that's what I end up doing, I was just hoping there was a faster way Apr 22 20:58:49 ho hum Apr 22 20:58:55 maybe you typed something in the filter fild without knowing it Apr 22 21:00:43 in eclipse for instance I can't specify a sdcard image, no matter what I do in launch configurations... I always end up lanching the emulator by hand, and it works fine. Apr 22 21:01:19 btw despite the little things like that, eclipse plugins are just GREAT and are saving us a lot of time. Apr 22 21:02:01 yeah Apr 22 21:02:03 hey vol_, did sendMessage worked ? Apr 22 21:02:15 well, not quite. I noticed a couple other issues. Apr 22 21:02:35 for example, I had overwritten dispatchMessage instead of handleMessage Apr 22 21:02:40 cool, you move forward then, great! Apr 22 21:02:55 yes! Apr 22 21:03:05 today is not entirely going my way Apr 22 21:03:34 I would override handleMessage Apr 22 21:03:43 yes, I would to, and I just have. Apr 22 21:04:10 and I just restarted eclipse. Apr 22 21:04:14 and it just told me adb is down. Apr 22 21:04:28 you are on vista? Apr 22 21:04:28 and to restart eclipse. Apr 22 21:04:29 sigh Apr 22 21:04:32 no, xp32 Apr 22 21:05:41 did you submit by april 14th? Apr 22 21:06:02 I submitted nothing! Apr 22 21:06:10 mostly because I only just started doing android programming Apr 22 21:06:20 ok, so you do stuff for challenge 2 then? Apr 22 21:06:23 I recently switched jobs, and my manager decided that maybe this android stuff is hip and cool Apr 22 21:06:33 so, I'm still kind of getting up to speed with android Apr 22 21:06:35 it is, definitely :) Apr 22 21:06:49 and tell your boss he is too :) Apr 22 21:07:27 yeah Apr 22 21:07:31 my new boss is pretty awesome Apr 22 21:07:38 my old boss was as well but on the whole I'll take the new one Apr 22 21:07:48 :) Apr 22 21:07:59 success! Apr 22 21:08:06 yeeehaa Apr 22 21:08:09 ;) Apr 22 21:08:11 (mostly) Apr 22 21:08:20 my service kill call is broken but whatever Apr 22 21:08:25 that was on purpose Apr 22 21:09:50 my boss is an adept of micro and deceptive management :) Apr 22 21:12:20 yeah, at my last job, my boss was awesome, but the owner was a dick Apr 22 21:12:27 my boss practiced kissing down and kicking up Apr 22 21:12:38 which he got away with because the owner just couldn't afford to lose him Apr 22 21:12:56 :) ok, time to go to bed, glad I helped you in some ways, see you. and checkout Marvin if you don't know it http://marvin.lpontier.com/ Apr 22 23:43:20 sigh, im getting sick Apr 22 23:43:56 vitamins ! Apr 22 23:44:52 don't tell me you're one of those people that thinks taking 20x your normal recommended dose of vitamin C the very day that symptoms starts will ward off sickness Apr 22 23:45:07 because those people are idiots :) Apr 22 23:46:45 nono normal vitamin c dose Apr 22 23:46:52 just a super multi vitamin Apr 22 23:46:59 if other people around me start getting sick Apr 22 23:48:01 a healthy immune system is something that develops and works on a scale much wider than simply a few days. this is wel known. Apr 22 23:48:19 oh sure Apr 22 23:48:50 but having to fight off the bugs uses up minerals Apr 22 23:48:58 and you might not be replacing htem Apr 22 23:49:09 i dont agree with the tards who take vitamins every day Apr 22 23:49:17 well* Apr 22 23:49:17 so ramping up your vitamin intake days before you believe you'll be getting sick is entirely ineffective in all cases. Apr 22 23:49:17 not to mention once you begin feeling symptoms it's already too late. Apr 22 23:49:27 taking vitamins every day is much less retarded than what you're describing Apr 22 23:49:58 jasta: even if you are sick, you are using minerals so you need to replace them right? Apr 22 23:50:15 Yes, which is why your doctor tells you to drink lots of fluid, specifically water. Apr 22 23:50:40 But it isn't curing you, or even reducing your symptoms. Apr 22 23:51:01 i find i recover faster Apr 22 23:51:02 but thats me Apr 22 23:51:23 yes, but you haven't studied this scientifically where others have. Apr 22 23:51:57 taking vitamins/minerals is only useful if you dont have enough Apr 22 23:52:28 yes, obviously. Apr 22 23:53:14 but getting sick doesn't represent an insufficient vitamin intake. a long standing pattern of frequent sickness, might, however. Apr 22 23:53:31 yes i would agree Apr 22 23:53:53 so then why did you yell vitamins when i said i was getting sick? :) Apr 22 23:54:30 there's just no stopping it now; i will get sick, and i will get better at some point. Apr 22 23:54:37 because you might recover faster Apr 22 23:54:44 sleeping and drinking water is, at present, the most effective recovery method. Apr 22 23:55:51 large doses of any particular vitamin or regiment of vitamins are not well known to affect the common cold. Apr 22 23:56:10 you're more than welcome to try to prove me wrong, but i suspect you will not find any scientific studies to the contrary, else you would find members of the medical community changing their advice. Apr 23 00:32:21 ahh, home Apr 23 01:15:04 <_avatar> i have a listview whose items are a horizontal linear layout: [button1][textview][button2]. when the row is focused via the dpad i want button1 to gain focus (this works). when the right dpad button is pressed i want button2 to gain focus. whats the best way to do this? i've tried setting button1's "nextFocusRight" to button2's id, but that doesn't appear to work. Apr 23 01:16:16 well, maybe this interface just isn't the right thing to use in general. Apr 23 01:16:44 what do the buttons control? Apr 23 01:17:50 <_avatar> 2 different operations to the selected item on the row. (sorry, i'm being deliberately vague because i'm under NDA) Apr 23 01:17:53 <_avatar> heh Apr 23 01:17:59 (btw, i don't know how to change the focus behaviour, i'm just thinking that it isn't a very good interface) Apr 23 01:18:27 <_avatar> hrm. Apr 23 01:18:42 one thought would be to have one behaviour when the item is clicked, and a context menu when the user long clicks. Apr 23 01:19:53 _avatar: have you setItemsCanFocus(true)? Apr 23 01:20:01 <_avatar> romainguy__: yeah, i do. Apr 23 01:20:12 <_avatar> oops, i left out a bit of information Apr 23 01:20:31 <_avatar> when i press right the focus does change, but it focuses [button2] in the first item in the listview Apr 23 01:20:41 <_avatar> (regardless of which item is currently selected) Apr 23 01:21:27 ah, this is just a bug in the focus algorithm Apr 23 01:21:33 we changed it recently Apr 23 01:21:37 it should fix your problem Apr 23 01:22:00 <_avatar> great, thanks :) Apr 23 01:22:58 <_avatar> i assume the release date of the new SDK is still unknown? i haven't read anything, but admit I haven't been following this channel much the past couple days. Apr 23 01:24:01 nothing announced yet Apr 23 01:25:59 <_avatar> ok, thanks Apr 23 02:51:42 inotify's interface makes me nervous Apr 23 02:51:53 it makes me think that multiple events can fire at once Apr 23 02:52:17 i just dumped my win mobile phone! Apr 23 02:52:22 for what? Apr 23 02:52:39 i went back to my blackberry.... win mobile lasted less than two months Apr 23 02:52:59 i've been using windows mobile for the past 2 years, actually Apr 23 02:53:13 the battery life was awful Apr 23 02:53:21 i have, until recently, defended it as the least sucky smartphone platform. Apr 23 02:53:26 i was charging the phone 3 times a day Apr 23 02:53:37 which phone? Apr 23 02:53:38 the phone itself is nice... i just rely on good battery life Apr 23 02:53:42 htc touch Apr 23 02:53:56 i hated that phone :) Apr 23 02:54:05 i don't like the keyboard Apr 23 02:54:08 i have a moto q9h, which is still imo one of the best smartphones out there. Apr 23 02:54:10 terrible design Apr 23 02:54:25 jasta: the gf has a moto q Apr 23 02:54:28 she likes it Apr 23 02:54:37 i had the first moto q Apr 23 02:54:41 there are two moto q's, the original and q9. and then there are lots of variations of the q9. Apr 23 02:54:47 the q9h is the only good one :) Apr 23 02:54:56 ah. Apr 23 02:54:56 yea the original was bad Apr 23 02:54:59 is that sprint? verizon? Apr 23 02:55:11 the original was only on verizon Apr 23 02:55:18 the best thing about the q9h is the keyboard. it is truly superb, i have gotten to 30wph with it! Apr 23 02:55:21 wpm* Apr 23 02:55:34 michaelnovakjr: the q9h is on AT&T. Apr 23 02:55:38 i was gonna say.. 30 words per hour :) Apr 23 02:55:50 30wph would be more like other smartphones ;P Apr 23 02:55:55 ah, at&t is full of fail. -.- Apr 23 02:55:58 yea.... like the touch Apr 23 02:56:19 but, still, i am desperately hoping that the HTC design for Android will knock my phone down :) Apr 23 02:56:27 same here Apr 23 02:56:43 i have put a lot of eggs in this basket. i really hope the manufacturers don't fuck it all up. Apr 23 02:56:57 HTC is one of those companies that makes me nervous. They have, in the past, created some really fabulous designs. Apr 23 02:57:08 They've also created a disproportionately large number of terrible designs. Apr 23 02:57:30 like pretty much all of their bulky pocket pc phones of late. Apr 23 02:58:08 i hate to say it, but i suspect motorola and samsung will create better android handsets. Apr 23 02:58:11 but won't be first to the table. Apr 23 02:58:40 i will probably buy them all though. i'm going to just casually collect expensive android handsets for at least the first 6 months ;) Apr 23 02:59:21 I'd love a samsung one Apr 23 02:59:34 big touch screen, then with a slide-out qwerty Apr 23 02:59:37 that's my ideal phone Apr 23 02:59:43 that's what HTC is set to produce first. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 23 02:59:56 2008