**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 28 02:59:56 2008 Apr 28 04:32:58 boy, i forgot what a real typing chore GTK programming can be :) Apr 28 04:33:06 :) Apr 28 04:34:48 taking a break from android? Apr 28 04:40:21 i've been working away from the Android-specific parts of my code since i submitted Apr 28 04:40:30 working on adding a GNOME UI to the server Apr 28 04:40:47 oh that's right, i remember you mentioning that Apr 28 04:41:17 wouldn't most of the users have windows? Apr 28 04:41:19 (real users) Apr 28 04:41:31 presumably Apr 28 04:41:38 duey, but why leave out the linux folks? Apr 28 04:41:47 lol Apr 28 04:41:53 im not saying leave them out Apr 28 04:41:54 i don't intend to write a Windows UI. Apr 28 04:42:16 pidgin is a port to windows right? Apr 28 04:42:18 though i anticipate that one will be available ;) Apr 28 04:42:51 michaelnovakjr: my UI would not need to be ported to Windows. i expect that a native Windows UI will be placed atop the engine. Apr 28 04:42:58 but like i said, i don't intend to do that work. Apr 28 04:43:15 :) Apr 28 04:43:52 i don't have a copy of Visual Studio, am not familiar with Windows programming in general, etc. It would be a waste of my energy to learn all that for this project. Apr 28 04:44:04 You certainly don't need Visual Studio Apr 28 04:44:10 But I am familiar with GNOME development, so I'll happily write that UI myself. Apr 28 04:44:36 i am not familiar with GTK but could you not write it in GTK and then port it to windows? Apr 28 04:44:45 i have visual studio, its overrated Apr 28 04:44:47 or use Mono :)) Apr 28 04:44:57 or java :):) Apr 28 04:45:17 duey: I doubt it would be that transparent. I'd prefer a native Windows UI. Apr 28 04:45:31 i don't like java for desktop development Apr 28 04:45:38 The server's UI has no need to be elaborate. Just some basic configuration and an installer. Apr 28 04:45:51 gtk on windows is ok Apr 28 04:45:57 i think pidgen uses it Apr 28 04:46:09 pidgin* Apr 28 04:46:15 duey, yes it does Apr 28 04:46:47 I'd also need an OS X UI at some point as well. Apr 28 04:46:53 which i will not be writing either ;) Apr 28 04:46:58 lol Apr 28 04:47:00 :) i do lots of OS X development Apr 28 04:47:00 thats not too hard Apr 28 04:47:26 i also don't intend to be the sole developer on my project. Apr 28 04:47:46 i ahve been until now because of the ADC. but moving forward, i hope not to be. Apr 28 07:50:10 still no hits, i'm starting to get worried :( Apr 28 07:50:18 morning david Apr 28 07:56:24 soon we'll need a 'adc1 grievance' groups too. Apr 28 08:01:15 lol Apr 28 08:02:47 too many of them, evry1 believes their app is not getting evaluating completely Apr 28 08:03:59 i never expected mine to Apr 28 08:04:25 im sure the judges are smart enough to figure out what your apps about Apr 28 08:04:49 my app is obvious and you could evaluate it in a very short time Apr 28 08:06:00 its like, evry morning u check the group, some1 is crying for their server not being hit. Apr 28 08:06:12 lol Apr 28 08:06:16 well mines been hit 5 times Apr 28 08:07:29 there is a thread about this, but now its soo long, i dont bother reading it. Apr 28 08:08:12 be patient guys :) Apr 28 08:08:46 thats what i shout in my mind after reading those threads. Apr 28 08:09:26 romainguy_, i was looking at your book Apr 28 08:09:29 whats with the name? Apr 28 08:09:44 just a silly joke :) Apr 28 08:09:51 figured Apr 28 08:09:57 the talks on which we based the jokes have even weirder names Apr 28 08:10:05 last year's was Filthy Rich Clients: Talk Dirty to Me Apr 28 08:10:09 lol Apr 28 08:10:49 and this year's is Filthy Rich Clients: Filthier, Richer, Clienter Apr 28 08:10:59 O.o Apr 28 08:11:22 so why does using getRGB remove bufferedimage management ? Apr 28 08:11:32 does it have to move it off the gpu? Apr 28 08:12:04 because as soon as you touch the underlying data, Java2D cannot be sure you are not changing stuff Apr 28 08:12:13 so to be safe, it removes the managed copy from the gpu Apr 28 08:12:43 it should clone() it :( Apr 28 08:12:49 getRGBReadOnly Apr 28 08:13:00 hehe :)) Apr 28 08:13:12 I have been using getRGB for ages Apr 28 08:13:19 there are ways to read the data without removing the acceleration Apr 28 08:13:21 and I only just started messing around with big images Apr 28 08:13:28 yeah I have found it Apr 28 08:13:33 converting code now Apr 28 08:14:31 so does android Bitmap use Java2d? Apr 28 08:14:38 or opengl Apr 28 08:14:49 we use another 2D API called Skia Apr 28 08:15:05 ah cool so it is accelerated Apr 28 08:15:21 Skia is pure software at the moment Apr 28 08:15:28 right Apr 28 08:15:33 but eventually Apr 28 08:15:45 well, not necessarily Apr 28 08:15:56 a big problem on such devices is the quantity of VRAM Apr 28 08:16:03 and the speed of the memory bus Apr 28 08:16:08 hmm Apr 28 08:16:08 but we'll see :)) Apr 28 08:16:12 yeah i guess Apr 28 08:16:19 not to concerned Apr 28 08:16:30 just would be nice to port this to on-device at some stage Apr 28 08:16:43 port what? Apr 28 08:16:55 the ocr engine for my app Apr 28 08:16:58 ah :) Apr 28 08:17:22 the problem is that OCR requires CPU, not GPU :) Apr 28 08:17:31 ~~ Apr 28 08:17:33 Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. Apr 28 08:17:35 hi Apr 28 08:17:55 i'm using android.graphics.camera.. does anyone know how i could have a rotate happen with a pivot point other than 0,0? Apr 28 08:18:07 how do you rotate ? Apr 28 08:18:10 have to apply filters to the images - that takes a bit Apr 28 08:18:25 duey: yes :( Apr 28 08:18:32 like.. it pivots from 0,0,0, and i want it to pivot from (imageheight),0,0 Apr 28 08:18:46 cliff: how to you apply the rotation ? Apr 28 08:18:57 camera.rotateX(degrees) Apr 28 08:19:01 duey: you can use this class https://swingx.dev.java.net/source/browse/swingx/src/java/org/jdesktop/swingx/graphics/GraphicsUtilities.java?rev=1.12&view=markup Apr 28 08:19:37 ill take a look :) Apr 28 08:19:37 the problem is that android.graphics.Camera is more or less completely undocumented Apr 28 08:19:38 duey: it has two methods, getPixels and setPixels, that read/write pixels form a BufferedImage without srewing up with the hardware acceleration Apr 28 08:19:47 cool Apr 28 08:20:04 it also has a bunch of stuff to create compatible images easily Apr 28 08:21:32 when the real devices come i want to create a real-time overlay of located text when using the camera Apr 28 08:21:51 so i probably need hardware acceleration of somesort for that Apr 28 08:22:10 bounding boxes Apr 28 08:22:10 etc Apr 28 08:22:35 that way you can get the best image for the ocr Apr 28 08:23:26 duey: software rendering should be good enough Apr 28 08:23:39 hopefully Apr 28 08:24:14 also remember that Android is a platform Apr 28 08:24:22 and will most likely run on phones with lesser hardware Apr 28 08:24:29 in particular, phones with no GPU Apr 28 08:24:33 yep Apr 28 08:24:35 fall back Apr 28 12:57:04 Is anyone here able to tell me how to use the emulator console? I know how to use commands via adb shell, but I don't think I've managed to get a console working. I've tried running emulator -console, but that doesn't actually let me type despite the # appearing. Apr 28 13:08:00 adb shell sh does the same thing. Apr 28 13:08:12 do I need to redirect where it gets its input from somehow? Apr 28 13:08:30 what do you mean? Apr 28 13:08:36 adb shell is the emulator console Apr 28 13:10:07 vol_: i dont understand the question too Apr 28 13:10:26 what do you want to do exactly Apr 28 13:10:34 for example Apr 28 13:10:35 http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/dffafba924e3a2e6/52f09cb4dd9687cc?lnk=raot Apr 28 13:10:44 it looks as though he's actually running a shell on android Apr 28 13:10:49 where he uses cd and such Apr 28 13:10:56 instead of performing adb shell /system/sbin/hi Apr 28 13:11:13 when I start emulator -console, I get a # Apr 28 13:11:20 which is the same prompt I get if I try running adb shell sh Apr 28 13:11:23 the # is the prompt Apr 28 13:11:26 however, I can't seem to send any input to it Apr 28 13:11:28 its an shell Apr 28 13:11:36 I'll type ls, pwd, etc. Apr 28 13:11:40 in frustration I'll press ctrl-c Apr 28 13:11:48 and all the commands I typed come to my local console Apr 28 13:11:55 rather than android's console Apr 28 13:12:09 ah k Apr 28 13:12:13 which OS? Apr 28 13:12:19 perhaps its a bug Apr 28 13:12:19 windows, using cygwin Apr 28 13:12:34 * vol_ is trying to get a linux machine to do dev work with Apr 28 13:12:51 its working fine with linux here Apr 28 13:13:01 ho hum. Apr 28 13:13:12 on windows you dont need cygwin Apr 28 13:13:27 just open a command prompt and run adb shell Apr 28 13:13:27 I know Apr 28 13:13:31 but I like it Apr 28 13:13:37 while the emulator is running Apr 28 13:13:37 the shell input issue remains even when just using cmd Apr 28 13:14:20 adb is an application, it shouldn't mess with your system shell Apr 28 13:14:20 in any event Apr 28 13:14:27 no, you misunderstand. Apr 28 13:14:35 I am trying to run a shell on the android emulator Apr 28 13:14:40 yes Apr 28 13:14:44 unfortunately, when I get the shell, it doesn't accept any input Apr 28 13:14:48 the input is buffered Apr 28 13:14:59 when I disconnect, the buffer flushes to my local (not android) console Apr 28 13:15:18 you have an emulator actually running while you are doing this? Apr 28 13:15:43 yes Apr 28 13:15:53 I have started an emulator by typing emulator -console, for example Apr 28 13:15:59 it shows "uncompressing linux" and then "#" Apr 28 13:16:03 no need Apr 28 13:16:05 but typing anything at there does nothing Apr 28 13:16:09 just run the emulator normal Apr 28 13:16:12 everything becomes buffered Apr 28 13:16:16 by typing emulator Apr 28 13:16:16 until I disconnect Apr 28 13:16:21 yes, I understand :\ Apr 28 13:16:28 you don't Apr 28 13:16:43 just type emulator and NOT emulator console Apr 28 13:16:52 I have tried that also, but I will try it again. Apr 28 13:16:56 then in a separate window typ adb shell Apr 28 13:17:40 ah. Apr 28 13:17:42 My apologies. Apr 28 13:17:51 I thought that shell w/o arguments would just yell at me. Apr 28 13:17:56 thank you very much! Apr 28 13:20:40 no problem :) Apr 28 14:26:47 awesome, another judge connected to my app and he used it for a *LONG* time Apr 28 14:27:04 :) Apr 28 14:27:09 suspiciously long. it's like he really liked having festival talk to him :) Apr 28 14:27:27 haha Apr 28 14:28:13 maybe dinner got to him and he left it running ;) Apr 28 14:29:28 no, because it jumps around from album to album Apr 28 14:29:32 which it wouldnt do without intervention Apr 28 14:29:45 nice Apr 28 14:29:55 Was it from google? Apr 28 14:29:59 maybe he liked the music collection Apr 28 14:30:11 michaelnovakjr__: i didn't check but it could have only been Apr 28 14:34:25 err mihoshi* Apr 28 15:14:50 morning morrildl :) Apr 28 15:14:54 you're up kinda early Apr 28 15:16:31 big week :) Apr 28 15:17:37 hehehe Apr 28 15:22:23 jasta, what is your entry? Apr 28 15:25:29 vol_: http://android-five.googlecode.com Apr 28 15:25:47 morrildl: speaking of, can you help me get five.googlecode.com? what do i need to do to register this? Apr 28 15:30:15 jasta: why don't you go for a variation? Apr 28 15:30:22 like f5ive or something? Apr 28 15:30:46 Does the topic suggest that the 5th of May is just the start of results and it's gonna take all week!!! Apr 28 15:32:15 muthu: because my project isn't a variation. Apr 28 15:32:33 5.com Apr 28 15:32:35 lummie: i don't think that's what he meant. Apr 28 15:32:42 phew... Apr 28 15:32:48 muthu: it's not that either. Apr 28 15:32:56 it's bad enough waiting till then Apr 28 15:33:14 i think morrildl had thought the judges would all act quickly, finishing their job in a day. Apr 28 15:33:57 either way, afaik, may 5th is still a meaningful deadline. Apr 28 15:34:06 yes, may 5 results are out Apr 28 15:34:27 unless they're not, right? Apr 28 15:34:28 :) Apr 28 15:34:32 I don't know why I am nervous, I only came across android 2 weeks before the deadline, so the submission wasn't great..... Apr 28 15:34:46 lummie: what is your submission? Apr 28 15:35:32 Podcast subscriber and downloader.... not that original but hey at least you don't have to sync it via noTunes Apr 28 15:36:34 what did everyone else send in ? Apr 28 15:36:37 a useful app, though it'd be hard to compete with 1800 other apps for the ADC :) Apr 28 15:36:48 jasta: that app is pretty cool, good luck Apr 28 15:36:50 lummie: mine is described here: http://android-five.googlecode.com Apr 28 15:36:52 1 in 35 chance though: Apr 28 15:37:27 lummie: or, said another way, less than a 3% chance ;) Apr 28 15:37:28 1 in 35 is a very good odds Apr 28 15:37:32 Gulp.... Apr 28 15:37:42 10000$/35 ? Apr 28 15:38:05 vol_: thanks. what was yours? Apr 28 15:38:09 edcba: ?? Apr 28 15:38:29 prizes are 10k ? Apr 28 15:38:40 no, there are 50 $25k prizes. Apr 28 15:38:59 but the first round Apr 28 15:39:00 25k Apr 28 15:39:06 for phase I Apr 28 15:39:08 edcba: the first round has 50 $25k prizes. Apr 28 15:39:12 hmm Apr 28 15:39:17 read the rules if you are unclear. Apr 28 15:39:54 hmm k Apr 28 15:40:01 jasta: well seeing five just lowered my expectations of a result :p Apr 28 15:40:42 lummie: i've worked exhaustively for the last 4 1/2 months. i'd be a bit upset if anyone won over me just having discovered the platform 2 weeks before the deadline :) Apr 28 15:40:46 no offense or anything hehe Apr 28 15:41:00 lol... yeah but mine had a better name :) Apr 28 15:41:16 i haven't even named my music player yet, actually :) Apr 28 15:41:31 Five is just the name of the system and engine. I want the music player to have a better name. Apr 28 15:41:32 hi5 player Apr 28 15:41:34 CastAway.... hey only messing Apr 28 15:42:26 jasta: 5 looks f'in great though.... Apr 28 15:42:46 thanks Apr 28 15:43:12 i'm excited to launch this thing. i want to create a proof-of-concept implementation for desktop PCs running Linux as well Apr 28 15:43:36 i could hack something up pretty quickly in the form of a client daemon and a FUSE module. Apr 28 15:43:43 that way, any music player could conceivably use it. Apr 28 15:44:40 so what i meant is that if you spent more than 25k$/35 it's not good :) Apr 28 15:44:40 and would be much better than just remotely samba mounting it or something. Apr 28 15:44:57 edcba: where does this 35 number come into play? Apr 28 15:45:01 hmm Apr 28 15:45:04 1800/50 Apr 28 15:45:06 also, what are you talking about? Apr 28 15:45:07 36 Apr 28 15:45:18 edcba: no one spent any money Apr 28 15:45:22 time Apr 28 15:45:26 it's same :) Apr 28 15:45:35 money divided by an integer equals time? Apr 28 15:45:37 ok.. its tv watching time Apr 28 15:45:38 35 is near enough, your such a pessimist Apr 28 15:45:46 lol Apr 28 15:46:47 but that is valid if you only wanted to earn money :) Apr 28 15:47:21 I have decided I was in it for the fun.... and didn't really want to win any cash.... Apr 28 15:54:36 iPhone feature rumor round-up: Jabber and iTunes control - http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/279377306/ Apr 28 16:02:57 jasta: I didn't submit anything. I didn't start working on android until after the deadline, and I've been doing it for work Apr 28 16:03:27 vol_: what are you working on? Apr 28 16:03:31 speaking of which, I want to find a way to modify android such that a geo://lat,lon intent will launch my application instead of gmaps Apr 28 16:03:46 I've set my package as a preferred package, but that doesn't do anything Apr 28 16:03:59 how will android be handling user favorites? I haven't seen any information about this yet Apr 28 16:05:50 basically, I want to allow the user to choose our application as the default map program, but I have no idea how to go about doing that, since the way that android resolves intents is still a rather mysterious "it just knows based on a few factors" Apr 28 16:07:37 as you can probably guess, I'm working on mapping related stuff Apr 28 16:08:28 right Apr 28 16:12:30 so, the issue is that the geo intent is going right to gmaps, and not to my small test app Apr 28 16:12:54 this is a bit of an issue, since we want to have nice, seamless integration so that people don't have to explicitly launch us if they want to look at a map Apr 28 16:18:17 vol_: the intent resolution might stop after it hits gmaps Apr 28 16:18:49 so your app is not getting a chance to handle it Apr 28 16:22:00 muthu: I believe you get to pick the activity Apr 28 16:23:21 romainguy_: the activity decides right Apr 28 16:23:46 i'm guessing the gmaps does not pass the intent any further Apr 28 16:24:03 its only a guess Apr 28 16:26:11 muthu: that's what I'm telling you Apr 28 16:26:20 I think we display a dialog to let the user decides Apr 28 16:26:28 oh ok Apr 28 16:26:39 I need to check if it is still the case, but I have seen this before Apr 28 16:26:56 yeah not sure why vol_ is having the behaviour Apr 28 16:28:17 hello Apr 28 16:28:40 hello Apr 28 17:43:18 romainguy_: I'm still a little new and confused with intents. Would I have to use an IntentReciever to catch this? Can I just set up an intent filter on the activity? If so, what settings should I use? Apr 28 17:43:27 oops Apr 28 17:43:29 I missed this message Apr 28 17:43:32 can you copy it? Apr 28 17:43:36 sure Apr 28 17:43:49 12:43 < vol_> romainguy_: I'm still a little new and confused with intents. Would I have to use an IntentReciever to catch this? Can I just set up an intent filter on the activity? If so, what settings should I use? Apr 28 17:44:10 You can do both :) Apr 28 17:45:37 Ok. I've set up my intent filter with a data element handling scheme "geo", categories of DEFAULT, ALTERNATIVE, and SELECTED_ALTERNATIVE Apr 28 17:45:44 I also set up an action of VIEW Apr 28 17:45:51 is there something that I'm missing? Apr 28 17:49:52 Also, I'd like to point out that I'm launching the intent by creating a new intent with a VIEW action and a geo scheme URI, not by clicking on something Apr 28 17:51:45 Also, is it possible to see what might resolve from an intent programatically? It would be helpful with me trying to figure out intents, I think Apr 28 18:05:22 hmm, works now, I think. Apr 28 18:05:55 no it doesn't. Apr 28 18:07:48 sigh, that's frustrating. Apr 28 18:07:59 It asked me which I'd like to use, once and only once, and while I wasn't looking. Apr 28 18:09:53 hmm Apr 28 18:09:56 my server was hit on the 25th Apr 28 18:10:04 too bad I wasn't there, the judge seemed to have a sense of humor =) Apr 28 18:10:25 how? Apr 28 18:10:33 did he post some jokes? Apr 28 18:10:40 haha Apr 28 18:11:07 http://rafb.net/p/XENR1a40.html Apr 28 18:11:20 that should be interesting.. Apr 28 18:11:35 lol Apr 28 18:11:39 he's lost apparently Apr 28 18:11:44 in cyberspace. Apr 28 18:11:53 Kraln: you should have had a bot talking to him Apr 28 18:11:58 did he get back in time? there's plenty of apps to judge Apr 28 18:12:10 heh Apr 28 18:12:48 muthu: there's a bot, but it doesn't talk. it just holds channels so the network isn't completely empty Apr 28 18:13:00 right Apr 28 18:13:03 make a talking bot Apr 28 18:13:24 you should just have it say..... that's what she said Apr 28 18:13:29 bwahaha. Apr 28 18:13:53 haha, or other random office funnies Apr 28 18:26:38 ah, stupid me. Apr 28 18:26:47 I removed the view action by accident. Apr 28 18:27:11 Is it possible to have an IntentFilter that handles any action, but is limited by, say, data or category? Apr 28 18:27:22 or do we have to specify which type of actions we can handle explicitly? Apr 28 18:41:19 also, removePackageFromPreferred doesn't seem to be working. Apr 28 18:51:36 ligi: what's your app/ Apr 28 18:53:13 you ask everyone who joins that? :) Apr 28 18:55:44 I'm still curious what the method of determining permissions is with android. I can clearly set permissions and get them, I'm wondering if a dialog is going to ask users whether they permit the app to do something, or what. Apr 28 19:01:38 I'm a little confused about IntentRecievers as well. Are they supposed to just be there to poll for things like battery updates or clock updates that you don't want to spawn an activity for? Apr 28 19:01:45 jjt001: http://www.mikrokopter.de/ucwiki/en/DUBwise Apr 28 19:14:04 jjt001: yours? Apr 28 19:22:19 vol_: Yes, basically. It's a way to wake up an application on interesting events so that it doesn't have to stay awake listening for them. It is more efficient. Apr 28 19:23:36 vol_: re the permission structure, the platform is evolving and i don't believe it is well known by the android team exactly how permissions will be handled in the wild. Apr 28 20:00:10 Alright, thank you Apr 28 20:06:22 * jasta just had a very cool idea to extend his music player Apr 28 20:06:30 vol_: please don't spawn Activities from IntentReceivers tho Apr 28 20:06:48 it could passively poll your last.fm listening habits and check for concert dates for artists you listen to often. Apr 28 20:06:48 vol_: instead, use the Notifications API to let the user know something has changed, and let the user launch your Activity on his/her own time Apr 28 20:06:57 jasta: cooooool Apr 28 20:06:57 pop up a notification and let you add it to your calendar if you want Apr 28 20:07:22 link to ticketbas^H^H^Hmaster Apr 28 20:07:42 last.fm actually does this work already. you can access an iCal object from an artist Apr 28 20:07:46 and see their tour dates Apr 28 20:07:49 nicely formatted Apr 28 20:07:59 * jasta checks a couple to see if it works well Apr 28 20:08:45 yup. Apr 28 20:09:00 nice, you can even get a poster image from it! Apr 28 20:10:17 this is gonna be the most awesome thing ever Apr 28 20:13:01 i wish i would have thought of this and put it in my README file :) Apr 28 20:13:18 if i get into round 2 for the challenge i'll definitely make sure taht feature is in :) Apr 28 20:15:12 smart idea Apr 28 20:28:54 i am so excited by jsut that one small feature alone :) Apr 28 20:29:01 i miss concerts all the time because i just don't check up on them Apr 28 20:30:34 jasta: wow, cool feature Apr 28 20:30:56 hooking up other things related with music Apr 28 20:31:00 wonderful Apr 28 20:36:58 last.fm provides everything you need to Apr 28 20:37:13 the users current and all-time favorite artists, well-formated feed of concert dates by those artists, ... Apr 28 20:37:38 it would be totally simple. i'll just have the Five server collect and reorganize the info for more efficient consumption on the phone and just reimplement a new web service there to get at the data Apr 28 20:37:57 then at each nightly sync phase the phone can just check if there's any new concerts and show them then Apr 28 20:38:34 it's great because it shouldn't annoy you with a bunch of concert info you don't care about Apr 28 20:38:58 either you used to love the band (top 50 favorite artist), or you have recently listened to it (top 50 favorite in the last 12 months) Apr 28 20:49:22 jasta: helo Apr 28 20:56:01 hi Apr 28 20:57:46 So does anyone have any idea what the power requirements reflect in the locationmanager criteria? Apr 28 20:57:51 is GPS considered High? Apr 28 20:57:58 or is that something that we'd have to play by ear? Apr 28 20:58:52 on other devices, the GPS radio is expensive to use. Apr 28 20:59:24 same with the cell radio (for data access). Apr 28 21:09:06 romainguy__: are you aware of any significant bugs in traceview or the method tracing in general in Dalvik? Apr 28 21:09:20 traceview is giving me results that indicate a function is not even running when i am quite certain it is. Apr 28 21:10:34 Right, I figured that gps is going to be heavy for power. I just mean the different criteria with LOW, MEDIUM, and HIGH power values. Is it then pretty safe to assume that GPS will be almost always HIGH? Apr 28 21:11:43 what do you mean LOW, MEDIUM, and HIGH? where are you getting these benchmarks? Apr 28 21:13:40 sorry Apr 28 21:13:51 Criteria.POWER_HIGH Apr 28 21:13:54 Criteria.POWER_LOW Apr 28 21:13:58 Criteria.POWER_MEDIUM Apr 28 21:14:19 in android.location.Criteria Apr 28 21:23:22 oh, that i don't know about. Apr 28 21:24:02 well, i suppose you could reason that it means the amount of power currently consumed based on the availability of the towers and satellites. Apr 28 21:24:20 the transmit power is possibly dynamic. Apr 28 21:27:27 well, I guess it's more passive location based on cell towers or by bluetooth based somethingorother Apr 28 21:29:39 what? Apr 28 21:31:10 yes, i think this is there attempt to abstract how you get your location. whether its AGPS, real GPS, cell tower triangulation, or possibly even Wi-Fi signatures. Apr 28 22:14:54 i have very recently become extremely aware of my pinky. Apr 28 22:15:06 i know that sounds strange, and believe me, it is. Apr 28 22:15:30 it doesn't hurt, i am just really aware of it. it feels like it's recently become more flexible or something. Apr 28 22:15:39 and it's only on my right hand. Apr 28 22:15:54 i think it's because of the way i hold my cell phone when i text message. Apr 28 22:16:31 my relaxed hand position includes my right pinky at nearly a 45 degree angle, far away from my other fingers Apr 28 22:16:35 very strange :) Apr 28 22:17:18 maybe you are getting strange super powers Apr 28 22:35:59 yeah, there's definitely a traceview bug here. Apr 28 22:36:52 it's also showing children that don't make any sense Apr 28 22:37:54 oh, i think i've exhausted it. Apr 28 22:38:23