**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 02 02:59:57 2008 May 02 03:06:15 the docs for android are much more beginner friendly than the apple ones May 02 03:14:29 I am pretty sure Apple never intended to release the sdk. May 02 03:14:52 Another problem with Apple/NeXT was there was always some good stuff hidden. May 02 03:15:25 There is no map api right now for Apple either. May 02 03:15:41 that would whack a hold genre of cools apps. May 02 03:15:58 well May 02 03:16:00 most of it is like May 02 03:16:10 "If you've written stuff for leopard, this will make a lot of sense!" May 02 03:16:22 and I'm like, buhhh May 02 03:16:28 IB is very cool btw. May 02 03:16:34 Interface Builder. May 02 03:16:38 Android needs one. May 02 03:17:39 yeah, that part is cool May 02 03:17:43 but I have no idea how to make use of it May 02 03:18:35 hmph May 02 03:18:47 Kraln: still haven't reinstalled the sdk? May 02 03:19:55 jjt009: nop :-D May 02 03:20:03 I grabbed the iphone one though May 02 03:27:42 IB builder is used to create the interface which is stored in a file which you can load when needed. May 02 03:28:12 interface == window, button, text fields etc. May 02 03:29:35 yes. May 02 03:32:17 Because Objective C has runtime binding you can connect gui elements to methods (actions) and instance variable called outlets. using IB. When the nib file is loaded all the elements are hooked up and you are ready to handle events. May 02 03:33:19 The funny thing is this tech has been around since the late 80s and still has not really been exceeded for ease of building a gui. May 02 03:33:38 Hail NeXTStep. :-) May 02 04:11:12 Fri May 2 09:29:52 IST 2008 May 02 04:12:03 [yawn] May 02 04:12:03 ? May 02 04:12:24 india standard time? May 02 04:12:40 :-D May 02 04:15:38 morning folks May 02 04:18:44 Kraln: hi May 02 04:19:20 hi May 02 04:19:29 you know any rule engine in php? May 02 04:23:32 rule engine anyone? May 02 04:27:30 rule engine? whata? May 02 04:31:51 Kraln: you know about drools? May 02 04:32:13 surprising not many people have heard about rule engines.. May 02 04:33:04 no May 02 04:33:05 explain May 02 04:33:13 rule induction? May 02 04:33:15 data mining? May 02 04:33:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference_engine#List_of_Engines May 02 04:33:26 business rools May 02 04:33:28 I know what a rule engine is May 02 04:33:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drools May 02 04:33:36 but apart from that, no idea May 02 04:33:37 right May 02 04:33:41 so anything in PHP May 02 04:33:43 ? May 02 04:34:01 muthu: do you know what they are used for?? May 02 04:34:16 because they might not be very useful to you if you knew May 02 04:34:19 you can use it for various things May 02 04:34:26 duey: why? May 02 04:34:27 i know what they are, i have written many May 02 04:34:35 what are you trying to do? May 02 04:34:43 have you got an example dataset? May 02 04:34:55 i'm writing a shopping cart May 02 04:35:13 ok.. May 02 04:35:35 so as the user makes purchase, we recommend stuff May 02 04:35:40 how's that for an usecase? May 02 04:35:49 lol May 02 04:35:53 haha May 02 04:36:01 duey: any php rule engine? May 02 04:36:07 it doesnt work like that.. May 02 04:36:20 duey: but tell me is there anything in php? May 02 04:36:39 http://php.resourceindex.com/Complete_Scripts/Shopping_Carts/ May 02 04:36:41 are you doing product recommendations? May 02 04:36:45 right May 02 04:37:00 i'm sure google uses them May 02 04:37:06 probably they are using drools May 02 04:37:21 skicson: thx May 02 04:37:28 but i'm looking for a rule engine May 02 04:39:24 are you looking for product recommendations? May 02 04:39:29 or just business logic May 02 04:39:34 business logic May 02 04:39:37 oh ok May 02 04:39:47 duey: there are rule engine written for this purpose May 02 04:40:01 as i said, they are available for java, ruby etc., May 02 04:40:01 im thinking machine learning.. May 02 04:40:06 but not able to find for PHP May 02 04:40:16 lol, you're writing your own shopping cart? May 02 04:40:27 they are so 2002 :X May 02 04:40:34 you should be able to find a good quality one out there May 02 04:40:46 f00f-: i'm looking for a php rule engine May 02 04:41:01 why not write one? May 02 04:41:11 f00f-: why would you want to use someone elses shopping cart? May 02 04:41:33 a) they are simple May 02 04:41:33 duey: proven & reliable, why write code again if it's trivial? May 02 04:41:47 provided you can legally do that May 02 04:41:53 because it doesnt provide a fluid user experience May 02 04:42:09 PHP_Jedi: hi May 02 04:42:11 well i'm talking about a cart that integrates nicely May 02 04:42:17 if you layouts changing from page to page because your taking other systems and plugging them together May 02 04:42:25 its bad May 02 04:42:29 i'm talking about a backend more than a frontend =) May 02 04:42:47 its all dependent on what your doing May 02 04:42:50 i'm surprise ruby is so ahead of the curve May 02 04:42:55 ruby is awful May 02 04:43:02 they have a rule engine! May 02 04:43:11 muthu: what are rule engines used for? May 02 04:43:23 duey: heh May 02 04:43:33 you thought the product recommendation is a joke? May 02 04:43:41 that's a perfect use case duey May 02 04:44:00 i dont think so May 02 04:44:08 yeah right May 02 04:44:16 because you want product recommendation to evolve and change May 02 04:44:22 correct May 02 04:44:27 that's my point May 02 04:44:30 and you want to apply machine learning heuristics to it May 02 04:44:46 right May 02 04:44:48 which is a different problem.. May 02 04:45:12 duey: if you recommend me a php rule engine, i'll listen to every word you say May 02 04:45:23 now tell me, do you know of any php rule engine? May 02 04:45:25 no May 02 04:45:32 ha, finally May 02 04:45:45 a straight answer for a straight question!! May 02 04:45:56 my approach to product recommendation is different May 02 04:46:08 what would be yours? May 02 04:46:40 you would create a network neighbor hood of some sort of product->order->customer relationships and then apply some form of ml algo with hueristic funcitons to determine if a customer will or will not like the suggested product May 02 04:47:08 yeah thats what rule engines are for May 02 04:47:12 uh May 02 04:47:44 duey: your app May 02 04:47:59 can i shoot at a random sign, and get it translated? May 02 04:48:06 not yet May 02 04:48:10 but yeah thats the idea May 02 04:48:19 that would be so useful May 02 04:48:22 yep May 02 04:48:31 great idea.. a sure winner May 02 04:48:40 are you confident? May 02 04:48:43 no May 02 04:48:48 i sent int a proof of concept May 02 04:48:53 nothing thancy May 02 04:49:00 good idea May 02 04:49:45 hey gooooglers, any suggestion for php rule engine? May 02 04:51:57 any other google channel? May 02 04:52:07 i know only of #google May 02 04:52:14 #gewgle May 02 04:52:22 let me try May 02 04:52:56 dmoffett is there May 02 04:52:59 and then me May 02 04:53:19 Sorry I thought that was a hyper link. May 02 04:54:00 haha May 02 04:54:24 Don't spend a lot of time using irc. May 02 04:54:57 why? May 02 04:55:31 Guess it just not thought about it much. May 02 04:55:50 Fun though. May 02 04:56:09 if you have work to do, you are better off staying away May 02 04:56:13 its like twitter May 02 04:56:14 riveting. May 02 04:56:23 anyone using twitter? May 02 04:56:44 not much May 02 04:56:52 never used it May 02 04:57:02 you can spend a lot of time doing twitter May 02 04:57:21 you can follow and follow and follow... May 02 04:57:23 looked really stupid May 02 04:57:29 not big on facebook either. May 02 04:57:51 twitter is used in smart ways by smart folks May 02 04:57:52 there is real power in twitter, in that a group mentality gets going. May 02 04:58:12 tools are available, how we use them is upto you May 02 04:58:16 i have a facebook account never use it though May 02 04:58:27 think about a large group of people thinking the same thing at the same time. May 02 04:58:39 High tech riot kind of thing. May 02 04:59:01 scoble is a big fan of twitter May 02 04:59:08 friendfeed etc., May 02 04:59:30 I was thinking about a location based twitter idea that would help find abducted children. May 02 04:59:45 Apparently the first three hours is key. May 02 04:59:47 location based twitter is a great idea May 02 04:59:55 and lot of them are doing it May 02 05:00:11 dmoffett: that would be a wonderful utility May 02 05:00:32 As soon as a child goes missing alert all the poeple in the area to be on thier toes. May 02 05:00:52 Get the kid back soon. May 02 05:01:00 exactly.. and since its in your mobile.. the chances are high May 02 05:01:08 i was thinking about the same thing May 02 05:01:18 Looked into Amber alerts and it is pathetic that most states still don't have it in place. May 02 05:01:48 dmoffett: you can use it not just for missing kids, but almost anything May 02 05:01:59 right. May 02 05:01:59 you raise an alert, and people can react to them May 02 05:02:12 are you working on something like that? May 02 05:02:20 in my own time. May 02 05:02:31 that would be widely adopted May 02 05:03:20 Well hopefully if I don't get it done someone will. May 02 05:03:28 sure thing May 02 05:03:49 actually twitter can be used right away May 02 05:04:06 there is probably something similar already I suspect. May 02 05:04:15 its twitter May 02 05:04:19 think about it May 02 05:04:27 what's stopping twitter from being used in such a way May 02 05:04:39 Twitter is mostly about following people. May 02 05:04:59 right.. and twitter bot can do these alerts May 02 05:05:03 so it gets to everyone May 02 05:05:14 I was thinking of turning it about 20 degrees and following and event. May 02 05:05:25 so you follow amber allerts. May 02 05:05:46 if one goes off in your area then you get an message. May 02 05:05:53 right, it can be focused to an area May 02 05:06:02 so only people in that location is alerted May 02 05:06:31 seems to make sense. May 02 05:07:25 Twitter would work of course but it is not an exact fit. May 02 05:07:42 and twitter is down quite a bit. May 02 05:08:11 A good location based twitter on GAE would rock. May 02 05:08:39 yeah May 02 05:08:55 GAE or whatever on backend May 02 05:09:01 but the idea is cool May 02 05:09:36 Apparently the guys at Twitter are having all kinds of scaling issues. May 02 05:09:43 ROR implementation. May 02 05:09:46 yeah big time May 02 05:09:55 everyone knows it May 02 05:09:57 Rails is slow. May 02 05:10:16 the twitter folks raised it very early May 02 05:10:27 and am surprised they continued with the same thing May 02 05:10:43 they must have switched on to JAVA or something May 02 05:10:57 Some of them claimed it was not Rails but their design. May 02 05:11:12 the rails crowd doesn't listen May 02 05:11:21 they beat you on not creating the perfect code May 02 05:11:28 That is a broad generalization. May 02 05:11:36 I am a Rail developer. :-) May 02 05:11:44 then you must know May 02 05:12:03 hope you are not DHH ;) May 02 05:12:04 sorry I don't follow? May 02 05:12:24 No I am just a lowly programmer on VizzVox.com May 02 05:12:54 is twitter failing because of rails? May 02 05:14:08 I don't think so. May 02 05:14:25 wouldn't you say twitter is growing. May 02 05:14:30 the twitter folks themselves said rails doesn't scale May 02 05:14:32 How they make money is a good question. May 02 05:14:56 I would like to see that. May 02 05:15:11 We are thinking of switching to merb. May 02 05:15:18 really? why? May 02 05:15:48 We like Ruby and merb is much faster. May 02 05:15:58 ok May 02 05:15:59 Ruby will get faster as well. May 02 05:16:35 Looking a GAE as well. May 02 05:16:46 GAE is python atm May 02 05:17:05 Used python prior to Ruby. May 02 05:17:13 Python is good as well. May 02 05:17:29 right May 02 05:17:37 there are a lot of good languages May 02 05:17:47 choice is good May 02 05:17:51 imo 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. May 02 05:18:25 The days of programming in one language all day is probably gone to the few. May 02 05:18:38 correct.. it would be mashups May 02 05:19:08 More fun to be had by all. May 02 05:20:00 dmoffett: you submitted the player for vizzvox right May 02 05:20:13 yes May 02 05:20:42 oh yeah remembered May 02 05:22:57 We are putting it up on a page now so that others can use the VizzVox player for help in their apps. May 02 05:23:17 We used the player in the submssion to explain our application. May 02 05:23:38 that would be cool May 02 05:23:49 every app requires help screen May 02 05:23:55 and if we can plugin vizzvox, great May 02 05:24:07 Others maybe able to use the player to explain how to use the application. May 02 05:24:16 correct May 02 05:24:33 that would be a great tool May 02 05:25:05 Hopefully I can put it up once my boss has approved the language. May 02 05:25:40 let me know May 02 05:25:40 i May 02 05:25:49 i'll use that for my help May 02 05:29:24 Cool May 02 05:30:25 Here is the tutorial boss put up May 02 05:30:56 It is a bit more theatrical than I would like but he is the boss. :-) May 02 05:31:00 http://www.vizzvox.com/stories/7GNQ5s6JXnLNr00fms?locale=en-US May 02 05:31:59 That is the last VV plug, I will do. May 02 05:32:32 checking.. May 02 05:33:04 twitter is so broken, btw May 02 05:33:09 lol May 02 05:33:19 We should jump on that so quick. May 02 05:33:26 have you tried jaiku? May 02 05:33:39 I don't use any of them. May 02 05:33:44 you could say it's twitter 1.5 or 2.0 May 02 05:33:47 I have played with them but not much. May 02 05:33:56 Mostly hear about them on twit May 02 05:34:01 this week in tech. May 02 05:34:10 podcast. May 02 05:34:25 lol.. man thats a demo May 02 05:34:32 whatsup with that eeery lady voice? May 02 05:34:45 Don't ask me that. May 02 05:34:49 haha May 02 05:34:59 that really freked me out May 02 05:35:05 to bad. May 02 05:35:09 for us I guess. May 02 05:35:16 I would not think it was that bad. May 02 05:35:23 not bad May 02 05:35:34 taking you for a ride, that's all ;) May 02 05:35:40 Better than me doing it. May 02 05:35:53 but it needs some volume control May 02 05:35:58 It would sound like Larry the Cable guy. :-) May 02 05:36:03 suddenly the female voice is so high May 02 05:36:29 is that your boss voice? May 02 05:37:00 yeah she is one of the professional voice over people. I am just a programmer. This is certainly the wrong crowd for that kind of app. May 02 05:37:10 The male voice is. May 02 05:37:18 ok May 02 05:37:20 The female is Austrailain. May 02 05:37:28 cool May 02 05:38:08 They let me do voice overs for trailer parks. May 02 05:41:30 Muthu: Can you say what app you submitted? May 02 05:45:41 dmoffett: a cooking app May 02 05:47:07 Cool, I like food. May 02 05:47:38 that's the idea May 02 05:47:42 everyone wants it May 02 05:49:12 One of the few good eating places in Montrose, CO, USA is an Indian Restaurant. Not sure if you are Indian but I think that was mentioned a while back. May 02 05:49:15 Good Night May 02 05:51:52 lame May 02 05:51:54 http://www.pragprog.com/titles/eband/hello-android May 02 05:51:56 sigh May 02 05:52:10 there May 02 05:53:46 jasta: hi May 02 05:53:50 sup May 02 05:54:05 what you are eating? May 02 05:54:21 i'm not eating, what do you mean? May 02 05:54:33 dinner? May 02 05:54:53 for dinner, i had a vegetable stir fry with jasmine rice. if that's what you mean. May 02 05:55:28 you made it? May 02 05:55:35 my gf did May 02 05:55:41 cool May 02 05:57:08 my favorite meal, if you're curious, is broiled lemon peppered salmon with mashed potatoes and garlic green beans. May 02 05:57:18 hmm yummy May 02 05:57:19 my gf's recipe as well May 02 05:57:27 salmon.. i'll take it anyday May 02 05:57:52 jasta: know any php rule engine? May 02 05:57:57 no May 02 05:58:06 ok May 02 05:58:22 guess there must be something wrong with this combo May 02 05:58:26 php + rule engine May 02 06:02:03 lol May 02 06:02:10 i think you need to do some research.. May 02 06:02:40 duey: yes May 02 06:02:49 are you sure you dont want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_filtering May 02 06:02:49 we can always use drools May 02 06:03:35 that's for rating May 02 06:04:03 only the slope one algo is for rating May 02 06:04:10 im more talking about the idea May 02 06:04:35 right.. almost every ecommerce site uses them May 02 06:04:39 you want to recommend products based on other customers purchases and other purchases made by the customer right? May 02 06:05:13 yeah thats one of the use case May 02 06:05:55 i dont think "rule engines" as you refer to them are related May 02 06:06:21 rule engines are for abstracting business logic away from code May 02 06:06:34 yes but recommendations are not business logic May 02 06:06:41 a lot of bpm systems use rule engine May 02 06:07:03 duey: i'm not saying recommendations are a compelling use case for rule engine May 02 06:07:10 right May 02 06:07:32 its just that you can use rule engines in different ways May 02 06:07:58 there's one more thing i'm interested May 02 06:09:30 duey: thanks for the CF link May 02 06:10:03 CF is an area of interest to me May 02 06:10:08 so thats why im confused May 02 06:10:20 don't confuse it with rule engine May 02 06:10:26 they are seperate areas May 02 06:31:58 *phew* May 02 06:32:03 just finished working :( May 02 06:32:47 apparently when the owner of the company says he has an imperative project that could be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, it's important that i get it done that day. :\ May 02 06:32:59 haha May 02 06:34:38 mmm ~4 days left till winners announced ^.^ May 02 06:36:34 exciting times ;) May 02 06:36:47 maybe after they announce they'll release the new SDK too :\ May 02 06:37:25 waiting for the new SDK for a long time now May 02 06:37:36 oh, you need new features? May 02 06:37:49 no, i need new excitement May 02 06:37:56 google missed a trick or two here May 02 06:38:11 what did we miss? May 02 06:38:30 if the sdk had been released say last week May 02 06:38:38 haha May 02 06:38:42 the forums would have been more manageable by now May 02 06:38:55 romainguy is in the right place at the right time :) May 02 06:39:01 haha May 02 06:39:11 f00f-: even though I'd like to get some sleep some day :) May 02 06:40:03 that day may be closer than we think! May 02 06:40:19 2008 will be busy for android dev team May 02 06:40:22 muthu: you seem to say thing like "Yes, Google needs to let the participants know their score. Since the judges May 02 06:40:25 have scored the 1788 applications it only makes sense to disclose this May 02 06:40:26 since there's so much to do May 02 06:40:27 information to the participants. " May 02 06:40:30 and it will probably come true :) May 02 06:40:45 f00f-: don't you think so? May 02 06:40:48 muthu: I didn't notice :)) May 02 06:40:59 romainguy_: haha May 02 06:41:20 romainguy_: you'll be busy this year.. no time to sleep. take it from me :-) May 02 06:42:04 muthu: I'm glad you're here to tell me that May 02 06:42:34 romainguy_: isn't it obivious? May 02 06:42:43 i hope you guys get vacation at google May 02 06:42:46 i'm kidding.. hope you get some rest May 02 06:42:48 I'm being sarcastic muthu May 02 06:43:00 romainguy_: i know May 02 06:43:02 so have many ppl talked about getting together at google io later this month? May 02 06:43:17 f00f-: I'm going on vacation at the end of the month May 02 06:43:19 f00f-: i hear google is worse than a nike childlabour factory May 02 06:43:26 ouch May 02 06:43:34 i dont think its that bad :| May 02 06:43:43 lol May 02 06:43:44 f00f-: if you ask for a vacation they beat you with sticks May 02 06:43:46 romainguy: nice. some place exotic? May 02 06:43:53 f00f-: France, home :) May 02 06:44:12 ah, exotic enough :) May 02 06:44:27 it will be for my girlfriend :) May 02 06:45:16 google is a nice place to work straight out of college May 02 06:45:27 why? because they beat you with sticks? May 02 06:45:31 haha May 02 06:45:33 :) May 02 06:45:38 muthu: you said you used to work at MSFT? May 02 06:45:46 f00f-: no May 02 06:45:49 i didn't say that May 02 06:46:04 perhaps i was dreaming then May 02 06:46:07 the only big company i worked was mci-worldcom May 02 06:46:29 then its all startups and smaller ones May 02 06:46:34 ah, they are still alive last i checked May 02 06:46:44 haha May 02 06:47:35 i graduated 97 May 02 06:47:49 could've worked for google, yahoo, ebay, etc., May 02 06:47:54 if only i had brains!! May 02 06:48:08 well this is the year of our bubble... May 02 06:48:15 right May 02 06:48:20 android/mobile bubble May 02 06:48:28 and i'm riding it May 02 06:48:30 it'll burst but the POP! won't be as loud or painful May 02 06:48:40 oh noooo May 02 06:49:02 for every high there must be a low, somehwere :P May 02 06:49:19 2000 will never come May 02 06:49:27 but competition and saturation in a market is good May 02 06:49:39 mobile is a great place to be in now May 02 06:49:54 yep May 02 06:50:15 i'm betting heavily on my mobile search May 02 06:50:35 execution is the key May 02 06:50:36 are you in talks with operators already? May 02 06:50:47 yes, i'm in talks with anyone and everyone May 02 06:50:53 who is willing to listen May 02 06:51:09 what kind of content are you 'indexing' -- if that is the right word? May 02 06:51:38 all May 02 06:51:54 you can search for whatever stuff May 02 06:52:00 like google May 02 06:52:03 cp -f google mobeegal May 02 06:52:14 lol May 02 06:52:33 you must be further along than google mobile search then May 02 06:53:03 search to me seems very 1999, but maybe you have a novel take on it :) May 02 06:53:04 its a new thinking May 02 06:53:05 hopefully! May 02 06:53:13 correct May 02 06:53:19 a novel take.. exactly! May 02 06:53:36 so are you aiming to be a portal in a browser or more? May 02 06:53:47 no browser May 02 06:53:53 who want's to be in a browser? May 02 06:53:57 pure native mobile apps May 02 06:54:19 starting with android.. might pan out to others shortly May 02 06:54:44 you can see a few excting apps May 02 06:54:45 well May 02 06:54:53 i'll eagerly await the shakeup in the search industry May 02 06:55:03 commandro, zinfo, spotx, pocketjourney etc., May 02 06:55:11 the shakeup is coming May 02 06:55:14 its happening May 02 06:55:25 one mobile at a time :) May 02 09:24:46 anybody here? May 02 09:25:21 hi May 02 09:26:11 so any news? winner? May 02 09:26:29 no news May 02 09:26:53 judging finished? May 02 09:27:07 100 selected? May 02 09:27:11 haha May 02 09:27:17 50 selected? May 02 09:27:21 its all million$$ questions May 02 09:33:23 hi all May 02 09:33:49 ligi: hi May 02 09:37:49 muthu: namaskar May 02 09:38:48 halo May 02 09:38:51 hallo May 02 09:38:56 ;-) May 02 09:39:10 ligi: what's the plan for weekend? May 02 09:39:53 muthu: making a video of my new hack form yesterday May 02 09:39:55 ;-) May 02 09:40:05 was a great day yesterday May 02 09:40:12 ha you seem to be the movie guy May 02 09:40:18 no May 02 09:40:21 im a coder May 02 09:40:23 ^^^ May 02 09:40:26 i know May 02 09:40:48 but you seem to have fun hacking and making movies about the hacks ;) May 02 09:40:57 yes May 02 09:41:06 what was the hack? May 02 09:41:34 flying the mk with souch a device: http://www.3dconnexion.com/3dmouse/what_is_3dmouse.php May 02 09:42:26 i always have to make movies because only a view people have the equipment to reproduce May 02 09:42:34 looks interesting May 02 09:42:50 was a nice flight with this device May 02 09:43:22 can that be used with a laptop? May 02 09:43:29 yes May 02 09:43:37 instead of touchpad? May 02 09:43:46 actually its only possible with the laptop at the moment May 02 09:44:04 i never piloted the mk with a touchpad May 02 09:44:27 cool May 02 09:44:53 ligi: i'm doing a mobile search engine, what would be a cool search category for german market? May 02 09:45:10 india ex: is big in matrimony May 02 09:45:27 lot of arranged marriages, so people search for brides etc., May 02 09:45:47 cars i think ^^ May 02 09:45:56 ok.. auto May 02 09:45:59 hmm May 02 09:46:06 beer and sausages May 02 09:46:10 but i dunno - i'm not exactly knowing what the mainstream iss searching for May 02 09:46:13 haha May 02 09:46:27 davidw: restaurants are included May 02 09:46:33 ;-) May 02 09:46:42 davidw: give me some suggestions here May 02 09:46:55 right now i'm including dating as a search topic May 02 09:47:00 muthu: gasoline stations May 02 09:47:09 (cuz they are always open) May 02 09:47:24 ligi: gas stations.. you think they are fun? May 02 09:47:27 haha May 02 09:47:41 not fun - but people are searching for them May 02 09:47:46 when they need stuff May 02 09:47:52 oh ok May 02 09:47:56 the nearest gas station May 02 09:47:58 correct May 02 09:48:05 all other shops are closing too early May 02 09:48:37 but don't you know where the gas stations are? May 02 09:48:52 sometimes not May 02 09:51:43 T-3 to judgement day May 02 14:25:01 morning everyone May 02 14:25:15 Good Morning. May 02 14:25:38 good morning May 02 14:25:46 morning May 02 14:28:50 how are all of you? May 02 14:33:08 I'm going very good May 02 14:33:18 thats good May 02 14:33:46 its a beautiful morning on the east coast May 02 14:33:53 yes it is May 02 14:56:09 Great day here on the Western slope of Colorado, considering it was snowing yesterday morning. :-) May 02 14:57:25 heh May 02 14:59:56 brrrrrrrrrrrrrr May 02 15:02:41 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr May 02 15:04:53 I really need to go snowboarding May 02 15:04:59 I haven't been in a couple years May 02 15:05:12 it doesn't snow much in Tennessee May 02 15:05:27 What does a snowboarder and and vacuum cleaner have in common? May 02 15:05:37 not a clue May 02 15:05:48 what? May 02 15:05:51 They both have dirt bags attached. May 02 15:06:03 lol May 02 15:06:07 :) May 02 15:06:22 Lame ass Tele skier myself. May 02 15:18:05 re May 02 15:33:05 dmoffett Have you ever noticed that tele skiers are always by themselves? May 02 15:33:34 I am ready lay it on me. :-) May 02 15:33:43 I'm just asking. May 02 15:33:50 You're a sad, lonely bunch :) May 02 15:33:54 lol May 02 15:34:19 Not anymore I make my seven year old ski with me. :-) May 02 15:35:44 well that's one way to make friends. May 02 15:36:00 at least he hopes thats a friend May 02 15:36:22 once he is old enough to appreciate how much cooler snowboarding is, he'll leave you :) May 02 15:36:46 for sure May 02 15:36:48 lol May 02 15:36:59 Got twenty bucks Dad. May 02 15:37:29 see you later. May 02 15:38:13 hehe, too mean? :) May 02 15:38:43 on the phone May 02 15:38:45 free the heel, free the mind i always say. May 02 15:45:26 I always say "ride the board and ride..." I got nothing May 02 16:28:32 knuckle draggers are good people and some day grow up to be decent free heelers. May 02 16:29:00 http://helloandroid.com/node/531 May 02 16:32:03 lol May 02 16:32:09 thats a good post. May 02 16:32:30 that's a much needed post for all of us May 02 16:32:45 Dougie187: glad you liked it May 02 16:42:16 for every one of those guys, there are 1000 that were miserable failures May 02 16:42:35 haha May 02 16:42:37 just to get people's hopes back down May 02 16:42:40 shhhhh May 02 16:42:52 lol May 02 16:43:05 in fact a few of them died in debt May 02 16:59:35 you know, there is the ADC II as well May 02 16:59:45 you can just happily keep developing your app and resubmit. May 02 17:01:42 right May 02 17:02:16 and if your app isn't a trivial piece of crap, you stand a much better shot in the second challenge May 02 17:02:24 haha May 02 17:02:26 (thought most of them were) May 02 17:02:43 (but no one thinks their own app is crap) May 02 17:02:55 i bet some people do May 02 17:03:00 honest people that is May 02 17:03:10 honest are few and far between May 02 17:03:14 true May 02 17:03:17 but i bet some of them are honest May 02 17:03:47 all of them are May 02 17:03:53 but you know emotion gets to you May 02 17:05:49 well, it's pretty easy to determine if your app is a trivial piece of crap. May 02 17:06:00 tell me May 02 17:06:02 if you are done developing it after just a couple of months, it is. May 02 17:06:08 haha May 02 17:06:25 otherwise, if you have more you want to do for the next 5 months, then it probably isn't :) May 02 17:06:45 looks like no one stopped May 02 17:08:24 there are a lot of people who have reported being done, actually May 02 17:08:40 but anyway May 02 17:08:46 i'm finally tired of all these discussions May 02 17:08:51 yeah May 02 17:11:46 we'll find out monday, and it won't hardly change anything. May 02 17:11:55 is the date final? May 02 17:12:09 nothing's final, but it's been confirmed several times that they are on track May 02 17:12:21 now i'm feeling it might be delayed May 02 17:12:57 i am all confused about the adc and rumors.... so i think i am going to try to turn my ears off May 02 17:13:28 turn volume down May 02 17:13:45 i'm using 5.. so its auto off ;) May 02 17:14:28 anyone get hit since tuesday? May 02 17:14:51 i've seen only one report in the forum May 02 17:15:20 interesting May 02 17:16:08 my take on this is that the top 100 aren't tested anymore and the judges decide based on notes from using the app before. If you are tested this week maybe its due to the 'tie' they mention could have happened May 02 17:16:27 i have a clear idea now May 02 17:16:34 on what exactly happened May 02 17:16:35 let's just stop talking about it May 02 17:16:40 haha May 02 17:16:51 really, let's just stop May 02 17:16:53 yeah its getting boring May 02 17:16:59 so what are you all doing this weekend? :) May 02 17:17:15 i'll go to beach May 02 17:17:18 see some movies May 02 17:17:24 watch some cricket May 02 17:17:31 drink some beer May 02 17:17:39 eat some briyani May 02 17:18:30 briyani? May 02 17:18:30 i'm helping my buddy move on saturday May 02 17:18:41 im going to hang out. May 02 17:18:44 play some mario kart May 02 17:18:45 which normally would suck, but he doesn't have much stuff and repays handsomely with beer and free food May 02 17:18:45 halo May 02 17:18:46 ssbb May 02 17:18:50 thats pretty much it May 02 17:18:54 Dougie187: biriyani - yummy May 02 17:19:02 Call of Duty 4 this weekend!!!!!! May 02 17:19:25 i'll do all that with my family & kids of course May 02 17:19:25 Dougie187: i don't play hardly any video games. i get addicted every now and then to 1 game in particular May 02 17:19:35 muthu: you drink beer with your kids? May 02 17:19:48 lol May 02 17:19:53 which game? May 02 17:19:54 i do, my fiver year old loves corona May 02 17:20:06 jasta: drink at home, the kids are young May 02 17:20:25 Dougie187: Most recently, I played a lot of the WarCraft III mod called DotA, before that I played Heroes of Might and Magic 5. May 02 17:20:35 jasta: and its usually late, so they are asleep May 02 17:20:38 And then I played a bit of Half-Life 2 (beat all the single player content and played some CS2) May 02 17:21:00 oh man i love Dota May 02 17:21:04 DotA is freaking awesome May 02 17:21:08 i was really, really good at it. May 02 17:21:30 i play this game called tetris..... anyone heard of it? May 02 17:21:31 did you play AR? May 02 17:21:32 me and my friend used to play the Slayer + Necro combo. OMG it owned. May 02 17:21:42 lol May 02 17:22:07 the necro's ultimate could instantly kill them if they went below half their life, and the slayer can get them down that low almost instantly May 02 17:22:13 so we'd just gank the hell out of people May 02 17:22:30 yeah May 02 17:22:31 lol May 02 17:22:32 and then if you lane push together you can kill any creeps in just 1 spellcast each May 02 17:22:41 nice May 02 17:22:43 so you can literally *WALK* through. you don't even have to stop. May 02 17:23:02 any nice game on android.. that you liked May 02 17:23:26 Dougie187: and that's even at low levels. level 8 or 9 or so you can do that. May 02 17:23:30 i am porting world of warcraft over to android May 02 17:23:38 haha May 02 17:23:41 michaelnovakjr_2: sweet May 02 17:23:49 lol good luck with that May 02 17:23:54 i think he was kidding, honestly May 02 17:23:58 thats like making a facebook app May 02 17:23:58 haha, i am being really sarcastic today... May 02 17:24:07 lol May 02 17:24:09 i know. May 02 17:24:15 its one of those fridays May 02 17:24:16 so anyway, no android talk today, ok? :) May 02 17:24:23 let's do none at all May 02 17:24:31 jasta, how about until monday May 02 17:24:35 sure May 02 17:24:41 we can all just pretend we like each other instead May 02 17:24:49 cool May 02 17:24:50 i wish my freaking laptop would get done May 02 17:24:50 lets get dan to change the topic May 02 17:25:28 so, i just spent a fair amount of time creating a small icon for some project at work May 02 17:25:32 topic: android is on vacation, no android discussions until monday May 02 17:25:33 and when i went to save it gimp crashed May 02 17:25:35 that sucked May 02 17:25:39 jasta: dou! May 02 17:25:57 which is weird, because i've never known gimp to be unstable. lame. May 02 17:26:13 i can never get around gimp May 02 17:26:23 GLib-GObject-ERROR **: g_type_plugin_*() invalidly modified type `GLocalFileEnumerator' May 02 17:26:26 hmm May 02 17:26:27 gimp is cool May 02 17:26:56 i like that way back in the 1.5.x series, the gimp splash logo was a picture of the Tacoma Narrows bridge when it fell down. May 02 17:26:56 its a nice tool if you can use it May 02 17:27:05 i'm such a poor designer anyways May 02 17:27:07 i used to drive on the rebuilt version of that bridge every day back when it was released. May 02 17:27:18 nice :) May 02 17:27:23 i mean, back when gimp 1.5.x was released hehe May 02 17:27:50 do a lot of people here like centos? May 02 17:27:51 they built a new bridge right next to it. the whole thing is huge now. 2 bridges, 9 lanes total. May 02 17:28:12 centos is stable May 02 17:28:19 lol May 02 17:28:20 i use it on my mail server May 02 17:28:37 * davidw is a debian/ubuntu guy May 02 17:28:40 don't like it for workstation usage though May 02 17:28:48 i like ubuntu for desktop May 02 17:29:00 i remember having this discussion with you michaelnovakjr_2 yesterday i believe May 02 17:29:15 i thought it sounded familiar.... :) May 02 17:29:21 heh May 02 17:29:35 i was up really late last night so everything is meshed together in my brain May 02 17:29:39 because I was complaining about how centos 5 comes with Firefox 1.5.0.12 which is unsupported May 02 17:29:44 CoD4 until 3am! May 02 17:29:54 ah yes i remember now May 02 17:30:06 and that makes me believe its not stable. May 02 17:30:07 for desktops. May 02 17:30:15 but you dont need that because you have a server. May 02 17:30:18 which doesnt need firefox May 02 17:30:33 nope... i actually forgot the user name and password May 02 17:30:39 Lol May 02 17:30:45 thats a sham May 02 17:30:45 i really should single user mode it tonight and recover it :) May 02 17:30:46 e May 02 17:31:05 its rock solid.... doesn't go down May 02 17:31:08 lol i keep checking the depot status on my laptop. May 02 17:31:12 about ever 5 minutes. May 02 17:31:17 just to see if they update it May 02 17:31:27 of course now that i said that its going to get back at me for it May 02 17:31:37 of course May 02 17:32:12 muthu: sun has some good stuff in their start up program.... waiting on someone to contact me May 02 17:32:43 michaelnovakjr_2: cool May 02 17:32:48 heard pretty damn cheap May 02 17:32:54 yea May 02 17:33:09 considering sun machines are usually more than $10L May 02 17:33:12 $10K May 02 17:33:23 what's the price for you? May 02 17:33:32 you can get one for $1200 roughly... depending on what you need May 02 17:33:41 they range obviously May 02 17:33:48 some $8K May 02 17:33:57 some that are $600-$800 May 02 17:34:14 michaelnovakjr_2 you should get on halo and play with a friend and me May 02 17:35:02 sure, you should also run out right now and pick up call of duty 4 May 02 17:35:15 if you want to pay for it. sur May 02 17:35:16 its an entirely different totally awesome experience May 02 17:35:16 e May 02 17:35:33 you'd never put it down May 02 17:35:58 did you get gta4? May 02 17:36:02 not yet May 02 17:36:06 you going to? May 02 17:36:06 probably this weekend May 02 17:36:13 nice lemme know how it is. May 02 17:36:18 i wanna rent it May 02 17:36:22 will do May 02 17:36:39 you should rent call of duty this weekend May 02 17:36:49 you'll play one round and want to buy it May 02 17:37:01 lol then I shouldnt because I dont have money for more games right now May 02 17:37:16 haha, or you'll forget you rented it and just keep it :) May 02 17:37:30 lol May 02 17:37:34 Whats your gamertag? May 02 17:37:38 macnov May 02 17:38:06 i just added you May 02 17:38:12 cool May 02 17:38:22 we play hardcore team deathmatches in cod May 02 17:38:34 heh May 02 17:38:40 whats hardcore do? May 02 17:38:51 you die easier.... no hud May 02 17:39:01 i like team swat in halo May 02 17:39:09 its slightly more realistic than non hardcore modes May 02 17:39:24 i had a 15 kill streak sniping last night! May 02 17:39:30 nice May 02 17:39:40 the maps are awesome too May 02 17:39:53 better than gaurdian? May 02 17:39:57 yes May 02 17:40:05 million times better May 02 17:40:09 heh May 02 17:40:18 i have a couple of other friends who are addicted to CoD May 02 17:40:49 its fun... you do challenges, unlock weapons all the good stuff May 02 17:41:03 team matches you level up quicker May 02 17:41:12 cool May 02 17:41:18 as opposed to free for all May 02 17:41:32 hardcore... friendly fire is on too May 02 17:41:43 reg team deathmatch they turn it off May 02 17:41:54 sounds like fun. May 02 17:42:00 totally May 02 17:42:10 i wonder if anyone in here works for toshiba May 02 17:42:18 i was addicted to halo and then when i got call of duty just have been able to put it down May 02 17:42:57 heh thats what i hear a lot May 02 17:43:04 and when they come back to halo they totally suck at it May 02 17:43:09 haha yea May 02 17:43:14 except sniper May 02 17:43:16 so, did any of you guys get addicted to WoW at one point? May 02 17:43:21 hell no May 02 17:43:24 because halo sniper is really easy May 02 17:43:26 jasta, yea May 02 17:43:27 my roommate still plays it. constantly. he doesn't leave his bedroom. May 02 17:43:29 i played the 10 day free trial. May 02 17:43:35 i got bored after 10 days May 02 17:43:40 actually like 6 days May 02 17:43:48 i played it for about a month May 02 17:43:57 i never once even sat at the controls. i have seen it played a handful of times, and was unimpressed. May 02 17:44:10 but my roommate *STILL* plays it. i can't believe it. it ruined his life. May 02 17:44:27 it was cool, just having to sit at my desk instead of my couch was the deciding factor May 02 17:44:29 well, his life sucked before i guess. May 02 17:44:33 haha May 02 17:44:53 lol May 02 17:45:22 and plus they don't make it for linux so, not happening May 02 17:45:49 it runs in wine though May 02 17:45:58 any good? May 02 17:46:10 i guess. May 02 17:46:12 never tried it May 02 17:49:28 I wish vmware would run my host browser when i click on links. May 02 17:50:17 lol May 02 17:51:21 i know it seems obvious, but only just recently did it occur to me that if i buy a second hard drive specifically for vmware, it will run faster May 02 17:51:25 now i use it a lot more :) May 02 17:52:02 :) May 02 17:53:43 is vmware better than virtualbox? May 02 17:54:28 never used that May 02 17:54:37 vmware seems to be free though, so i havent looked elsewhere May 02 17:54:50 virtualbox is free May 02 17:54:58 i mean, they try to package it like it isn't, but you can use vmplayer for free after your trial version of vmware has created an image for you May 02 17:55:15 seems like there's no real disadvantage there May 02 18:05:15 true May 02 18:05:19 you just need to keep the image around May 02 18:05:26 incase you want to reinstall your comp May 02 18:06:44 but you can just go download another vmware trial May 02 18:06:50 they don't seem to protect it very well May 02 18:06:51 yeah May 02 18:06:57 i mean, it's not even a hassle to do May 02 18:14:59 hi all, May 02 18:15:04 hi May 02 18:15:11 no andorid talk today May 02 18:15:17 why not? May 02 18:15:19 just so you know May 02 18:15:23 noone wants to talk about it today May 02 18:15:28 they want to forget about android until monday May 02 18:15:33 :) May 02 18:15:33 i understand that May 02 18:15:39 me too, but i can't May 02 18:15:46 instead this is the Call of Duty channel! May 02 18:15:51 lol May 02 18:15:53 rofl May 02 18:15:58 video games and linux channel May 02 18:16:02 Dougie187: is renting it tonight to become addicted May 02 18:16:03 mind if i ask one quik question? May 02 18:16:10 about CoD? May 02 18:16:16 or linux May 02 18:16:17 nah.. May 02 18:16:20 android, really May 02 18:17:42 i wonder, can anyone confirm that phase one of the judging really is complete. it seems only Muthu knows everything, but how credible is his opinion? May 02 18:17:59 please tell me THAT is NOT your question :) May 02 18:18:10 uhh.. May 02 18:18:16 results are here May 02 18:18:20 www.youdidnotwin.com May 02 18:18:23 haha May 02 18:18:28 :) May 02 18:18:30 haha May 02 18:19:13 Kraln: no android talk today :) .... linux and games May 02 18:19:24 huh? May 02 18:19:33 you're not very helpful.. but thanks anyway May 02 18:19:39 we decided no one wants to talk about android today May 02 18:20:07 fine. May 02 18:20:14 :) May 02 18:20:57 Kraln: play call of duty? May 02 18:21:11 I haven't had time to play any games in a while May 02 18:21:18 I am the project lead on Digital Paintball, however (www.digitalpaintball.net) May 02 18:21:28 paintball :) May 02 18:21:34 i was supposed to do that this weeked May 02 18:22:10 ah Muthui is here :) May 02 18:22:39 he is probably not paying attention :) May 02 18:22:47 hi May 02 18:22:51 or not :) May 02 18:22:53 hi Muthu May 02 18:23:05 keashF: hi, how are you? May 02 18:23:21 fine, thanks, but tension is high.. May 02 18:23:29 i can understand May 02 18:23:33 we all in same boat May 02 18:23:33 i wonder: how do you know that phase 1 of judging is over May 02 18:23:46 because he is a judge that is not talking May 02 18:23:48 :) May 02 18:23:54 lol May 02 18:23:55 yeah, right May 02 18:23:57 :) May 02 18:24:10 he also is the admin on www.youdidnotwin.com May 02 18:24:11 keashF: who said the judging is over? May 02 18:24:17 its over when 50 winners are announced May 02 18:24:21 :) May 02 18:24:26 no not over, only the phase where 100 are selected May 02 18:24:31 how do you know that? May 02 18:24:33 we could just drop it May 02 18:24:36 and see on monday. May 02 18:24:40 i think that sounds like a good idea. May 02 18:24:41 agreed May 02 18:24:43 so May 02 18:24:46 how bout some halo guys? May 02 18:24:49 you like halo? May 02 18:24:51 or cod? May 02 18:24:54 or mario kart? May 02 18:24:54 because no one actually knows May 02 18:25:36 if no one knows then why is it posted everywhere May 02 18:25:50 www.androidjudges.com has phone numbers and addresses of all the judges May 02 18:25:56 keashF: its all rumors May 02 18:26:24 try it on the forums May 02 18:26:29 thought as much. May 02 18:26:29 maybe they can answer your questions May 02 18:26:30 kinda like back in HS when someone would say you had a bad case of ____ (fill in the blank) and no one dated you May 02 18:26:52 no one knows except google, and they are tight lipped May 02 18:26:58 until monday of course :) May 02 18:27:06 so grab a beer and play some CoD! May 02 18:27:33 yeah, but why why why do you, Muthu, keep posting that judging has progressed to the final 100, if you don't know that? May 02 18:27:46 it doesnt matter May 02 18:27:48 btw. i liked that article on helloandroid May 02 18:27:48 cause its fun :) May 02 18:27:48 not until monday May 02 18:28:11 fun? hmm coding was fun.. this, well.. May 02 18:28:13 keashF: glad you liked it May 02 18:28:34 this is fun too..... playing non-stop CoD!! May 02 18:28:38 keashF: where you from? May 02 18:28:43 austria May 02 18:28:51 yeah remember May 02 18:28:54 i think i mentioned it .. May 02 18:28:54 your app? May 02 18:29:03 also from austria (rofl) May 02 18:29:12 haha May 02 18:29:13 can't give details May 02 18:29:17 cool May 02 18:29:20 how come? May 02 18:29:22 sorry, corporate stuff May 02 18:29:26 no one can steal it May 02 18:29:41 deadline kinda passed a little while ago May 02 18:29:56 i know, but i'm not to tell until we go live. May 02 18:30:09 go live? May 02 18:30:09 when you going live? May 02 18:30:36 plan was may 1, but didn't work out.. sometime in may, though should be possible May 02 18:30:49 may 1? there aren't any phones though? May 02 18:31:04 or do you mean just the idea? May 02 18:31:15 right, we are working on clients for many platforms May 02 18:31:25 but only in android you can do really cool stuff May 02 18:31:36 maybe in iphone, too, i dont know May 02 18:31:59 so back to CoD... who's getting it today :) May 02 18:32:00 but in java microedition.. forget it.. but thats what we will go live in the beginning May 02 18:32:31 ok guys, nice evening (at least here it's evening) i'm gonna go for a beer. cu May 02 18:37:28 ooh the forums are hot May 02 18:37:51 ? May 02 18:38:08 android-challenge May 02 18:38:15 take a look May 02 18:38:31 link? May 02 18:38:34 hot as in not sexy ;) May 02 18:38:58 michaelnovakjr_2: are you for real? you dont know the android challenge forums? May 02 18:39:00 so what's that like... 85 degrees then? May 02 18:39:09 http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge May 02 18:39:22 i dont remember it sorry, i book mark things..... not on my usual machine May 02 18:39:36 michaelnovakjr_2: you are funny though May 02 18:39:43 haha May 02 18:39:50 androidjudges.com haha May 02 18:40:07 imagine if that's real May 02 18:41:05 haha May 02 18:46:43 people are stupid May 02 18:46:46 that is all i have to say May 02 18:46:56 it happens. May 02 18:47:01 they are just charged up May 02 18:49:13 :) May 02 18:49:20 give me 5 minutes :) May 02 18:54:08 i'm done for the night.. good night folks May 02 19:01:59 check it out..... www.youdidnotwin.com May 02 19:03:57 wow May 02 19:04:02 people are really pissy about the judging May 02 19:04:11 "they only used my application for two minutes!" May 02 19:04:19 lol May 02 19:04:37 wah wah wah. May 02 19:04:44 all i have to say is www.youdidnotwin.com May 02 19:07:44 wheres incognito.... let's have him post www.youdidnotwin.com in the forums May 02 19:07:44 either way. May 02 19:07:52 hows call of duty? May 02 19:07:56 amazing May 02 19:08:05 so i hear May 02 19:08:09 totally rent it May 02 19:08:25 experience a ton of fun! May 02 19:10:18 Kraln, well, if you tune out jasta, it's not so bad;-P May 02 19:10:48 www.youdidnotwin.com May 02 19:10:53 :) May 02 19:11:58 oh man May 02 19:12:02 I didn't win... May 02 19:12:11 haha May 02 19:12:14 me either May 02 19:12:32 i did May 02 19:12:50 yea/ May 02 19:12:53 my website is www.youdidntnotwin.com May 02 19:12:59 nice :) May 02 19:13:16 the more optimistic approach May 02 19:13:20 heh May 02 19:13:25 my glass is half full May 02 19:13:29 :) May 02 19:13:36 mine's empty... i was thirsty May 02 19:13:52 go fill it p May 02 19:13:54 up May 02 19:16:10 * davidw is busy working on langpop.com May 02 19:21:14 :) May 02 20:04:41 Has anyone heard of porting Android to the iPhone hardware? May 02 20:05:05 I would guess it would be possible. May 02 20:05:50 should be possible for about any arm platform May 02 20:10:23 iPhone has no map api and that is not good for my efforts. May 02 20:14:50 dmoffett: i doubt such an effort would be that popular. May 02 20:15:06 i mean, i wouldn't hope it to be done so that you could meaningfully develop apps for the iphone using android. May 02 20:15:14 seems like kind of a frankenstein thing to do :) May 02 20:15:45 speaking about android? all i have to say is www.youdidnotwin.com May 02 20:15:59 it has all the answers ther May 02 20:16:43 Sorry, I did not win! May 02 20:16:48 looks like its creator didn't win either May 02 20:16:51 michaelnovakjr_2: oh yeah, but at least there's no ADC talk May 02 20:16:54 yea i didn't May 02 20:17:03 hah May 02 20:17:05 dude May 02 20:17:07 i feel really sick May 02 20:17:13 sick? May 02 20:17:14 i just ate some pizza that tasted a little funny May 02 20:17:18 and i feel REALLY sick May 02 20:17:23 :\ May 02 20:17:26 ouch May 02 20:17:28 :x May 02 20:17:40 : X May 02 20:18:22 oh boy May 02 20:24:48 awwwgghg May 02 20:29:14 eheh, the first time I lived in Italy, I lived above what I think was the worst pizza shop in Italy May 02 20:29:20 which is a real accomplishment May 02 20:29:36 it's hard to find a pizza place in Italy that sucks May 02 20:30:22 Thai food is like that here in Seattle :) May 02 20:30:38 you can usually pick entirely at random and get a good meal. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 02 20:30:50 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 03 00:00:20 2008 May 03 00:07:09 anyone here? May 03 00:08:52 yeah May 03 00:09:01 but we're taking a vacation from ADC discussions. May 03 00:10:41 jasta: this is the last time i'll ask...but did you get any hits ? May 03 00:10:45 after sunday i mean May 03 00:10:57 i won't even tell you, since we're done talking about this. May 03 00:11:13 so what do we talk about? May 03 00:11:21 this channel is called android May 03 00:12:09 jasta: if you tell me, i'll start a conversation about ajax May 03 00:12:25 just no ADC. May 03 00:12:28 or any other non-android topic you want to discuss May 03 00:12:28 we're all sick of it May 03 00:12:31 ok May 03 00:12:44 adc! May 03 00:12:51 jerkface03: you running a server May 03 00:12:53 we could, alternatively, not talk. May 03 00:13:05 and by that i mean analouge to digital converter May 03 00:13:22 jasta : y or n? May 03 00:13:23 :D May 03 00:13:30 f00f-: you gotten any hits? May 03 00:13:37 newp, no server for me May 03 00:13:40 nope, never did, dont think i will :) May 03 00:13:49 jasta: you? May 03 00:14:03 after jasta replies, i will stop talking about android May 03 00:14:21 o rly May 03 00:14:42 3 more days \o/ May 03 00:15:03 * jasta glares May 03 00:15:18 i will talk about motherfu**ing german shephards if you want me to May 03 00:15:32 anything May 03 00:15:36 ok fine May 03 00:15:37 i like german shephards May 03 00:15:39 they're good dogs May 03 00:15:47 i like cats better May 03 00:16:01 guess how old i am? May 03 00:16:03 i like golden retrievers. May 03 00:16:07 and yellow or black labs May 03 00:16:08 75? May 03 00:16:14 old crazy cat lady May 03 00:16:14 jerkface03: older May 03 00:16:17 I like chesapeake retrievers May 03 00:16:27 i like chiwawas May 03 00:16:36 i like big dogs overall, but they're too big for this house May 03 00:16:40 so i ended up getting a maltese May 03 00:16:52 i'm getting a chinchilla May 03 00:17:03 it's illegal May 03 00:17:06 but i'm above the law May 03 00:17:54 hey, my dog knocked down my server yesterday May 03 00:18:00 the server for my adc app May 03 00:18:29 at what time (PST) May 03 00:18:29 ? May 03 00:18:40 yesterda May 03 00:18:45 5:00 pm May 03 00:18:52 oh man, that was exactly the time that my server got hit. May 03 00:19:02 no way May 03 00:19:02 i bet you lose now. May 03 00:19:06 what'd you hit it with? May 03 00:19:08 a bat? May 03 00:19:12 jasta: you friggin liar May 03 00:19:16 i will roast you May 03 00:19:16 lol May 03 00:19:20 along with my dog May 03 00:19:28 i told you, we're not talking about the ADC anymore :) May 03 00:19:29 all weekend. May 03 00:19:39 jasta: i'm the op here May 03 00:19:49 no you're not May 03 00:20:00 ok fine, i'm not... May 03 00:20:04 but i'm almost there May 03 00:20:41 dan morrill said that i can become an op after adc II completes May 03 00:20:55 you mean after Google no longer cares about #android? May 03 00:21:04 what? May 03 00:21:07 he tricked me! May 03 00:21:12 * f00f- cracks open a beer May 03 00:21:17 the trickster May 03 00:21:21 f00f-: excellent plan. May 03 00:21:31 ya i'd like to see what happens to this channel after the ADC May 03 00:21:43 i wish i was old enough to drink bber May 03 00:21:45 beer May 03 00:21:48 it'll probably dwindle down to 10 people May 03 00:21:56 jerkface03: definitely less May 03 00:22:06 by that time only jasta will be sitting here May 03 00:22:07 jerkface03: it will turn into a post-apocalyptic wasteland where the laws of men are all but forgotten. May 03 00:22:23 coding away as always....... May 03 00:22:25 what movie is that from? May 03 00:22:33 demolition man? May 03 00:22:39 jerkface03: every movie. i just made it up. May 03 00:22:42 oh May 03 00:22:43 k May 03 00:22:57 you should think about becoming a script writer May 03 00:23:05 jerkface03: ok May 03 00:23:05 i started trying to write a C wrapper for google's ctemplate library May 03 00:23:09 and realized that i don't know C++ May 03 00:23:11 at all May 03 00:23:16 jasta: that hurts me May 03 00:23:17 i can't even remember how to do a hello world lol May 03 00:23:22 c++ is the king of all languages May 03 00:23:35 jjt009: nobody agrees with you. May 03 00:23:41 cout >> "hello world"; May 03 00:24:02 i wonder how you can bitshift a string. teehee. May 03 00:24:08 i mean other than java of course May 03 00:24:14 how many bits is "hello world"? :) May 03 00:24:31 approximately 20 May 03 00:24:43 if my calculations are correct May 03 00:24:45 as defined by what? May 03 00:24:48 they're not May 03 00:24:57 i'm just kidding May 03 00:25:05 it would be 8 times the number of chars in helloworld May 03 00:25:21 a char is an 8-bit type in c++ May 03 00:25:25 WHAT ABOUT THE NULL TERMINATOR? May 03 00:25:30 wtf May 03 00:25:33 sorry May 03 00:25:38 ya thats right May 03 00:25:40 deal with it May 03 00:25:45 i'm hut May 03 00:25:46 i don't know why, but you didn't get what i meant. May 03 00:25:48 *hurt May 03 00:25:56 i'm going to go cry myself to sleep now May 03 00:26:03 perhaps it's because C++ has broken you May 03 00:26:21 jasta: you ever tried windows hacking? May 03 00:26:26 bbl May 03 00:26:29 that's when you see the beauty of c++ May 03 00:26:30 ok May 03 00:42:30 i had to deal with msvc++ once May 03 00:42:32 never again May 03 00:42:53 nothing wrong with msvc++ May 03 00:43:00 i like intellisense :X May 03 00:43:16 well i mean the workflow May 03 00:43:25 or rather, its pre-generated source/header files May 03 00:43:40 it's a disgusting mess of code May 03 00:44:04 i dont think they force you to use it May 03 00:44:13 the class generation stuff May 03 00:44:48 probably May 03 02:25:37 Results in a few days :D May 03 02:55:42 This channel is related to Google Android? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 03 02:59:56 2008