**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 05 02:59:57 2008 May 05 03:14:26 i forget, when does do people get notified of the results? May 05 03:14:30 for this first round? May 05 03:16:04 this week May 05 03:17:04 hmmm May 05 03:17:11 i would like to win, hahah May 05 03:17:16 wouldn't we all May 05 03:17:33 what plans do you have for the money? May 05 03:17:43 build a company May 05 03:46:21 Mon May 5 09:04:22 IST 2008 May 05 04:07:21 my application is not running ... it is simply hell world May 05 04:07:42 I just get a a little dot moving across the damn screen May 05 04:07:50 ok, it ran May 05 04:07:59 why is it so damn slow to run? May 05 04:08:04 damn! May 05 04:08:07 because it's an emulator. May 05 04:08:09 and it has to boot. May 05 04:08:11 convivial: it takes some time to boot May 05 04:08:16 that sucks May 05 04:08:23 I hope actually phone isn't like that. May 05 04:08:25 it only has to boot once. then you just leave it running. May 05 04:08:33 phone would be faster May 05 04:08:35 and why can't it be faster? May 05 04:08:47 convivial: why should they spend time optimizing that? May 05 04:08:54 my main complaint with Nokia S60 EMU is that it is slow too May 05 04:09:20 jasta: because it increases my output ... i program more effectively and I have fewer coffee breaks May 05 04:09:44 besides, do everything well is what I say May 05 04:09:50 if the emulator boots faster? May 05 04:09:52 don't half ass any part of it May 05 04:09:59 convivial: once you have the emulator up and running, no issues May 05 04:10:08 again, you can leave the emulator running. then interact with it. May 05 04:10:08 muthu: sure. May 05 04:10:22 sleep time May 05 04:10:32 so I can leave it open ? no need to close? no issues with leaving it open? such as resource constraints on PC? May 05 04:10:36 Kraln: droid dreams! May 05 04:10:58 convivial: it will not be significant. May 05 04:11:08 ok, we'll see. May 05 04:11:36 well, i wrote my first app... i too and taking my fat ass pot belly self to bed... night May 05 04:11:54 *bald headed self < May 05 04:12:01 convivial: nite May 05 04:17:08 wow, heated forums May 05 04:17:19 thankfully i'm not posting anymore ;) May 05 04:18:05 dan clearing up a few judging queries helped a lot May 05 04:20:08 jasta: you believe may 5 is the day? May 05 04:20:46 dan has confirmed twice that they are on schedule to hit may 5th. May 05 04:21:04 right May 05 04:21:13 last Tuesday he also said that they were in the final 100. Which meant they have 5 days and some change to go from 100 to 50. Is that so hard? May 05 04:21:22 not for me May 05 04:21:27 but why the forum users are so confused? May 05 04:21:54 i think they are associating server activity too closely to the judging process. May 05 04:22:01 correct May 05 04:22:13 for the top 50, i'm guessing they don't even run the app May 05 04:22:19 i even claim that i only saw 2 hits to my system, but morrildl confirmed that all 4 judges scored my app, and none reported broken. May 05 04:22:31 jasta: makes sense to me May 05 04:22:43 so that's why i think people are confused. May 05 04:22:50 how hard is it to get your music player? May 05 04:23:02 i look at your app, immediately understand what its for May 05 04:23:03 then the readme May 05 04:23:13 so guess that's the way the judges went May 05 04:23:29 perhaps. but really, let's just wait and see. May 05 04:23:39 my cooking app is either a hit or a miss May 05 04:23:40 i'm going drinking tomorrow, regardless. May 05 04:23:52 i'm already in may 5.. waiting... May 05 04:23:59 jasta, is your media player open now? May 05 04:24:39 i'm hoping the judges like eating big time ;) May 05 04:24:57 we're pretty excited for them to announce the top 50. Wow, it will be stressful to try to to make the top 20 May 05 04:25:12 top 20 would be cool May 05 04:25:46 $250k - can set up a startup comfortably May 05 04:27:37 by now, dan knows the top 50! May 05 04:29:21 jasta: how are the winners announced? May 05 04:30:09 ok May 05 04:30:18 its not before wednesday May 05 04:30:43 now i can get to work :) May 05 04:42:51 morrildl: hi May 05 04:42:59 May 07, huh? May 05 04:43:21 the suspense goes on for a few more days ;) May 05 04:45:23 morrildl: new sdk, this week? May 05 04:45:51 Nope, not til we can get to it :) May 05 04:45:57 haha May 05 04:46:12 hey thanks for the ADC explanation btw May 05 04:46:17 people were all over me!! May 05 04:47:12 why were they all over you? May 05 04:47:26 dueynz: roasting me for saying a few facts May 05 04:47:40 like top 100 were filtered May 05 04:47:42 hehehehehe May 05 04:47:56 i figured you were just bsing May 05 04:47:59 muthu: that's what you get for playing your insider's hand ;) May 05 04:48:00 haha May 05 04:48:12 true, learned my lessons May 05 04:48:15 well stating obv facts May 05 04:48:45 i'm so tempted to reply, but keeping quiet for now May 05 04:49:04 since i know emotions will run high until results are out May 05 04:49:41 ah im not to worried about the result May 05 04:49:53 a lot of us don't May 05 04:50:07 but there are a few, who just can't take it May 05 04:50:13 yeah i guess May 05 04:51:13 morrildl: is it May 7 for sure? May 05 04:51:42 muthu: no May 05 04:51:50 ok May 05 04:51:55 a lot depends on the attorneys May 05 04:52:04 that much of legal work?? May 05 04:52:05 apparently they have to check with the US State Dept May 05 04:52:12 wow May 05 04:52:14 qq May 05 04:52:21 muthu: there goes all your chances! May 05 04:52:24 b/c we can't give money to terrorists or people residing in a set of forbidden countries May 05 04:52:25 haha May 05 04:52:41 dueynz: i have a SSN! May 05 04:52:47 must be stolen May 05 04:52:50 hehe May 05 04:52:57 dueynz: check your card!!!! May 05 04:53:07 lol May 05 04:53:13 I don't live in USA May 05 04:53:18 so I do not have a SSN ;) May 05 04:53:20 NZ.. noticed May 05 04:53:50 morrildl: so you do the legal work, before selecting 50? May 05 04:54:25 it would be very funny if it gets delayed until next week May 05 04:54:33 we have to make sure they are not on the list before they can win May 05 04:54:40 correct May 05 04:54:51 ultimately taht's why we have the "first 100" May 05 04:54:59 agree May 05 04:55:05 they are alternates in case one of the top 50 is banned or something May 05 04:55:18 yeah, but doubt it May 05 04:55:22 im 99% sure im not in the top 100 May 05 04:55:30 dueynz: how so? May 05 04:55:34 no hits May 05 04:55:43 you have a readme? May 05 04:55:46 sure May 05 04:56:12 is your readme out of the world? May 05 04:56:18 ? May 05 04:56:26 no its to the point May 05 04:56:27 is it really impressive? May 05 04:56:44 i'm trying to tally your no hits to your readme May 05 04:56:50 oh i had 5 hits May 05 04:56:55 just no hits recently May 05 04:56:59 ha come on! May 05 04:57:01 you had 5 May 05 04:57:17 and you say 99% you are not in top 100 May 05 04:57:22 you are BIG pessimist! May 05 04:57:26 yeah i am May 05 04:57:54 dueynz: the OCR right? May 05 04:58:01 yeah May 05 04:58:09 what? that's a winner man!! May 05 04:58:11 the app was pretty simple on the outside May 05 04:58:26 such a useful app May 05 04:58:30 will see May 05 04:58:38 anyway doesn't bother me either way May 05 04:58:49 you can easily find out May 05 04:58:50 ocr? May 05 04:58:52 as i have to do it to get honours May 05 04:59:14 morrildl: you didn't check out dueynz app? May 05 04:59:37 muthu: my app was pretty basic May 05 04:59:43 it doesnt have a camera interface May 05 04:59:54 and it doesnt support complex pictures yet May 05 04:59:58 bbl home May 05 05:00:03 cool May 05 05:00:12 morrildl: did you see my cooking app? May 05 05:00:37 * our * May 05 05:00:41 its a team submission May 05 05:01:22 * morrildl has checked out a lot of apps :) May 05 05:01:28 and yeah, I saw the cooking app May 05 05:01:33 you like it? May 05 05:02:42 not much of an innovation.. but a useful one May 05 05:03:38 @morrildl: now i have to ask if u saw my painting app - fingerprint May 05 05:03:58 morrildl: results tmrw? May 05 05:03:58 mickrobk_: what does it do? May 05 05:04:29 * morrildl also so fingerprint May 05 05:04:31 vector based finger painting... + a more thats a secret :P May 05 05:04:32 ^so^saw May 05 05:05:15 jerkface03: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/533 May 05 05:05:36 aye May 05 05:06:40 hoping the winners list are diverse May 05 05:06:47 and not 50 games!! May 05 05:07:15 i'm sure it will be May 05 05:07:40 right May 05 05:08:25 1 cooking, 1 painting etc., May 05 05:08:27 haha May 05 05:10:26 morrildl: are you planning to send the scores to the participants? May 05 05:10:45 we are not currently planning to share the scores, I think May 05 05:10:50 heard scoble is doing an android video? are you in it? May 05 05:10:59 ? May 05 05:11:07 doing an android video? May 05 05:11:11 how is it sharing if you're just emailing the participant back with their score? May 05 05:11:27 scoble tweeted me, that he's soon planning to do an android interview. May 05 05:11:29 ^share^reveal :) May 05 05:11:37 ahh May 05 05:12:00 asked scoble about android coverage, and that's the reply he gave me May 05 05:13:13 http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/802760041 May 05 05:13:44 he was a bit surprised about ADC? and looks like he hasn't heard about it May 05 05:15:45 jerkface03: mainly because we don't want people to think of this as having "lost" May 05 05:15:49 muthu: neat May 05 05:15:53 muthu: are you going to do it? May 05 05:16:01 yeah why not? May 05 05:16:04 hehehe May 05 05:16:08 haha May 05 05:16:14 hey morrildl May 05 05:16:21 whassup jasta May 05 05:16:51 morrildl: sure thing, mom. May 05 05:16:59 jerkface03: P May 05 05:17:01 :P even May 05 05:17:06 morrildl: did you also want to go to school and stop the mean kids from bullying me? May 05 05:17:11 jerkface03: it builds character May 05 05:17:20 morrildl: are you guys on track to release the results tomorrow? May 05 05:17:29 jasta: where you been? May 05 05:17:37 out May 05 05:17:38 wtf May 05 05:17:43 how do you type that fast, muthu? May 05 05:17:44 haha May 05 05:17:55 i had a typewriting class May 05 05:18:00 very young May 05 05:18:10 god if your code comes out that fast, why aren't YOU writing Android? May 05 05:18:16 haha May 05 05:18:26 hmm May 05 05:18:31 Android is my saviour, now!! May 05 05:18:37 jasta: nah, we have to check with the state department to make sure people aren't known terrorists and such May 05 05:18:56 and also, the final-100 judges don't have to have their scores back before Weds May 05 05:19:02 morrildl: are you joking or are you being serious? May 05 05:19:09 jerkface03: about what? May 05 05:19:17 morrildl: so what you're telling me, is that terrorists can't win prizes? May 05 05:19:27 jerkface03: correct May 05 05:19:38 jerkface03: also, people who live in Syria, Iran, etc. etc. can't either May 05 05:19:43 Cuba I think too May 05 05:19:47 Italy May 05 05:19:50 Canada May 05 05:19:54 muthu: that too May 05 05:19:57 NOT India May 05 05:19:59 jerkface03: no, just Quebec May 05 05:20:04 lol May 05 05:20:07 no one likes quebec May 05 05:20:07 NOT SanFrancisco May 05 05:20:09 not even the canadians May 05 05:20:34 * morrildl is trying so hard not to make ethnopolitical jokes right now May 05 05:20:58 morrildl: so have any peoples names come up on the background terror checks? May 05 05:21:25 morrildl: you're serious, you guys haven't heard back from the final judges? May 05 05:21:32 they've had the apps for a week? May 05 05:21:48 oh I'm sure we've heard from them May 05 05:21:58 anyway it's not quite a week May 05 05:22:03 I think it'll be a week on Weds May 05 05:22:11 i meant, haven't received their scores? May 05 05:22:12 i can understand about the delay May 05 05:22:30 it's not a delay :P May 05 05:22:37 it's well within the stated window :P May 05 05:22:41 damnit, i really thought we were finding out tomorrow May 05 05:22:53 I don't know why people keep assuming these things are delays May 05 05:22:57 they did that for M5 too May 05 05:23:16 We said something like "Yeah, we took everyone's feedback into account and will be releasing M5 in a couple weeks" May 05 05:23:22 i had actually thought i confirmed with you twice that you guys were on track meet the may 5th date. May 05 05:23:23 morrildl: its not a delay, if we don't count the edit that happened midway May 05 05:23:39 and everyone reported it as "ZOMG TEH GOOGEL DELAYS TEH SDK!!1!" May 05 05:23:51 haha May 05 05:24:09 muthu: well, that edit was not me :) May 05 05:24:18 yeah, right! May 05 05:24:20 *sigh* May 05 05:24:34 this is agonizing hehe May 05 05:24:37 there are.... uh.... I think 4 people who know how to edit that page and have permission to May 05 05:24:37 here's the deal May 05 05:24:52 you can make all of us happy, by saying we won :) May 05 05:24:58 right now! May 05 05:24:58 Well May 05 05:25:03 That would make you all happy right now May 05 05:25:13 But some of you might be pretty pissed off later this week May 05 05:25:18 oh oh May 05 05:25:51 but do you know? May 05 05:25:54 morrildl: so what is the new plan? any time this week? May 05 05:25:56 do I know what? May 05 05:26:02 the top 50? May 05 05:26:05 jasta: Weds-ish May 05 05:26:13 muthu: what about them? May 05 05:26:16 lame. May 05 05:26:31 I should probably go update the script that collates the results May 05 05:26:37 if i know the winners, it would be very hard for me to not give hints May 05 05:26:38 ;) May 05 05:26:57 muthu: I think you'd find that when your job depends on you NOT giving hints, it becomes a lot easier ;) May 05 05:27:01 muthu: i would assume that if they knew the winners, they would release that information. May 05 05:27:09 haha May 05 05:27:11 jasta is correct May 05 05:27:20 i mean, why would you want to just sit on it if it's final and decided? May 05 05:27:27 heh May 05 05:27:30 jasta: its the legal work now May 05 05:27:37 the legal work of what? May 05 05:27:38 b/c the mktg people want to refine the crap out of the "message" May 05 05:27:48 but we know how to handle mktg ;) May 05 05:28:13 @morrildl: but u do know the top 100..... though ur prbly bound by nda huh May 05 05:28:19 i must admit, i'm very disappointed that the winners won't be released tomorrow. May 05 05:28:25 I do know the top-100, yes May 05 05:28:36 join the club May 05 05:28:47 jasta: yeah, I hear you May 05 05:28:50 morrildl: were you satisfied with the top 100? May 05 05:28:55 we can't know if we're top 100 now? May 05 05:28:57 you confirmed twice that you guys were on target to meet the 5th deadline. May 05 05:29:15 i figured there'd be no problem meeting that date, sigh. May 05 05:30:00 i too thought May 5 is the day May 05 05:30:12 since there's a small window for the next round May 05 05:30:52 sigh, well, i guess there's always drinking for the sake of Cinco de Mayo May 05 05:31:02 jasta: your plans are all screwed huh? May 05 05:31:18 not really, but i am disappointed. May 05 05:31:26 yeah.. this wait might be longer May 05 05:31:44 i mean, no reason to cancel drinking just because of this setback :) May 05 05:31:49 oh no May 05 05:31:54 life must go on ;) May 05 05:32:04 ooh cinco de mayo. I think I'll operate the ATM in spanish today May 05 05:32:06 ooh active people tonight :) May 05 05:32:10 but still, i swear morrildl confirmed that May 5th would be the day :\ May 05 05:32:13 just last week, even May 05 05:32:24 jasta: he fooled you May 05 05:32:31 got it? May 05 05:32:33 haha May 05 05:32:38 what? May 05 05:32:57 what would he stand to gain by misinforming us? May 05 05:33:00 now we know May 07 is the date May 05 05:33:08 im assuming most people have already found this good writeup about adc results process http://www.helloandroid.com/node/532 May 05 05:33:18 if he says Weds-ish, I wouldn't conclude that May 7th is the date. May 05 05:33:22 jasta: it's only a few more days May 05 05:33:27 i'm not too sure what good sulking will do May 05 05:33:32 oh it was in the forums too i guess May 05 05:33:56 umdk1d4: oh yeah, that was a nice one May 05 05:34:20 im glad dan took the time to explain it May 05 05:34:43 alright, whatever. May 05 05:34:44 it might be May 09 May 05 05:35:04 oh heh crazy its may 5th already May 05 05:35:27 as i noted earlier, if May 5 skips then it might be May 9 May 05 05:37:24 well, mostly I just found out on Thursday that the judges weren't even due til this Weds May 05 05:37:45 oh lol May 05 05:38:31 morrildl: why not fix it for May 09? May 05 05:38:40 so people know for sure May 05 05:42:43 muthu: b/c nobody asked me ;) May 05 05:42:59 yeah i understand May 05 05:43:12 it must be a tough job for you May 05 05:43:29 keeping tab at both sides May 05 05:44:05 "Then we have to tabulate the scores, and I think the legal department has to finish their eligibility review (to make sure no submitters are known terrorists, and that sort of thing. ;)" rofl May 05 05:45:27 grr May 05 05:45:28 umdk1d4: didn't you know? May 05 05:45:38 umdk1d4: terrorists enter programming contests all the time... May 05 05:45:45 seriously? lol May 05 05:45:46 Dear Freenode, My IP changed. Please figure it out. kthxbye May 05 05:45:47 haha May 05 05:48:22 We have a winner, oh wait.. let me check the name.. oh no.. "been laidon".. ah from where.. softghanistan.. what? no winner! May 05 05:48:51 wouldn't it be funny, Google announces the winners and the top 10 are terrorists!! May 05 05:48:52 hehe May 05 05:48:57 ya tell me out May 05 05:49:07 i was held at the peacearch bordercrossing once May 05 05:49:11 i dont thinkg they will rank the top 50, just release a list maybe May 05 05:49:12 does that mean im a terrorist? May 05 05:49:43 i am back! May 05 05:49:55 jerkface03: US has the definitions and they'll go by that May 05 05:50:10 lol muthu May 05 05:50:21 you certainly observe and spew May 05 05:50:26 muthu: the definition is: anyone who has an arabic-sounding name May 05 05:50:38 jerkface03: oh right May 05 05:50:50 i was in US in 2001, and i know how it feels May 05 05:50:50 i feel sorry for white girls who have the name ali May 05 05:51:21 especially going through the airports at that time May 05 05:51:56 you would be ridiculed, laughed and then insulted - by the airport staff May 05 05:52:37 thankfully, guess it quickly disappeared and now we are back to normal May 05 05:52:51 nope it's still around now, the us border guards have a tendancy to be jackasses May 05 05:53:01 right May 05 05:53:13 i expect the worst always May 05 05:53:24 so doesn't bother me anymore May 05 05:54:51 i remember the times when you can carry jars and jars of oily pickles in planes, without any issues May 05 05:54:55 haha May 05 05:55:29 muthu: before 2001 the us/canada border was a joke May 05 05:55:36 yeah May 05 05:55:37 you could walk across a field and you'd be in the us May 05 05:55:42 now they have sensors and cameras and all kinds of shit May 05 05:55:43 correct May 05 05:55:57 we went to niagra.. and it was like cakewalk May 05 05:56:05 1996.. i guess May 05 05:56:06 i want to work on classification of suspects May 05 05:56:08 that would be cool May 05 05:56:14 but very very evil May 05 05:56:24 duey: how you do it? May 05 05:56:37 well I guess you could detect stress levels May 05 05:56:42 via facial expressions May 05 05:56:48 the tech isnt really around yet May 05 05:56:55 but it will happen May 05 05:57:05 duey: whats to stop the terrorist from taking a xanex? May 05 05:57:05 haha May 05 05:57:26 detct they have taken xanex! May 05 05:57:32 duey: hope you are not catching me after i have that heavy biriyani for lunch May 05 05:57:42 and how you going to do that? force everyone in the airport to take a fucking bloodtest? May 05 05:57:48 facial expressions!! May 05 05:57:48 yes! May 05 05:57:49 haha May 05 05:58:11 "please stay here for 10 days while we process your blood sample" May 05 05:58:16 lol May 05 05:58:23 right there in the toilets May 05 05:58:32 we'll provide with you everything you need.. haha May 05 05:59:42 they'll give you a nice suite in abugrahb while they process your results May 05 06:00:06 complete with prison guards to force you naked, rub you down with feces, and pile you ontop of each other May 05 06:00:08 while they take pictures May 05 06:00:18 it's like being at the 4 seasons May 05 06:00:23 yeah terrible May 05 06:01:29 in any travel, the hours you spend at the airport immigration counters are the worst May 05 06:01:48 mines always been pleasent May 05 06:01:56 but i only travel to aus from nz May 05 06:02:28 duey: you need a visa to aus? May 05 06:02:38 not if you are from nz May 05 06:02:42 right May 05 06:03:02 Screw it May 05 06:03:18 home time morrildl :)? May 05 06:03:19 ADC2's Terms and Conditions are simply going to be an elaborate game of red-light/green-light May 05 06:03:25 hahaha May 05 06:03:31 this whole administration thing, just not worth it May 05 06:03:35 i agree May 05 06:03:56 you reads them anyway? May 05 06:04:14 morrildl: you set the rules up front and stick to them May 05 06:04:48 muthu: yeah, that's the problem ;) May 05 06:04:57 next time the rules are going to be much easier to stick to ;) May 05 06:05:28 right May 05 06:05:32 keep it simple May 05 06:05:42 hehehehe May 05 06:05:49 i dont even know what the rules are May 05 06:05:54 no copyright is the only one i know May 05 06:06:10 actually the only issue is just automation really May 05 06:06:34 robots May 05 06:06:36 morrildl: what's the need for automation? May 05 06:06:39 all jasonchen and I had to do was automate the process of distributing apps for judging May 05 06:07:28 muthu: fairness May 05 06:07:46 morrildl: i can see how automation would complicate things May 05 06:07:53 even though the objective is fair May 05 06:07:53 I'm sure some poor bastard judge out there has an 800MHz Pentium III or something May 05 06:08:05 we don't want him failing everyone b/c his laptop is too slow May 05 06:08:12 so we sent out laptops for judges to judge on May 05 06:08:33 right May 05 06:08:35 did they run linux? :D May 05 06:09:06 meanwhile VP of Something/Other at Alliance Member, Inc. is probably not going to know what to do with "start up the emulator, don't forget to use --sdcard if the README file says to" May 05 06:09:20 now the judges have fallen in love with the laptop, they don't want to give out the scores fast May 05 06:09:29 umdk1d4: Ubuntu May 05 06:09:37 umdk1d4: whatever the H version was May 05 06:09:46 Hello Hairball May 05 06:09:48 something like that May 05 06:09:51 one thing that might be good is to be less random in the assignment of judges (assuming they were random in the first place) May 05 06:09:57 hoary hedgehog :D awesome May 05 06:10:13 duey: why? May 05 06:10:19 because you might get a cluster of judges from the same area with certain favouritism towards some apps May 05 06:10:24 yeah it was pretty random, it was so random I got an interview question out of it May 05 06:10:55 how random? what algorithm did you use? May 05 06:10:56 say for example you were randomly assigned to people all from the same company May 05 06:11:03 my guess is a lot of super duper innovative apps will be too hot for the judges to handle May 05 06:11:11 so because some of these judges were VP-level at other OHA companies, our scores probably heavily depended on our readme presentation May 05 06:11:54 umdk1d4: i would say readme will have to make an impact May 05 06:11:54 umdk1d4, all depends on the person May 05 06:12:06 * equally just like the apk May 05 06:12:31 the right balance between readme and apk will be a good bet May 05 06:12:40 true true May 05 06:13:05 hope my partner did a good job with readme ;) May 05 06:13:06 the depth of the apk needs to be there, but from the forums it sounds like most judges are just looking at the surface May 05 06:13:35 for me its simple May 05 06:13:46 you need to treat the judges like any other customer May 05 06:14:01 jerkface03: all in the fullness of time May 05 06:14:20 morrildl: never heard of it May 05 06:14:28 googling.. May 05 06:14:54 lol May 05 06:14:55 the standalone apps will never know if they crashed May 05 06:15:11 neither will some network apps I suppose May 05 06:15:22 its a mystery! May 05 06:15:24 :D May 05 06:15:26 the networkapps will know May 05 06:15:31 since they are trying to connect May 05 06:15:43 muthu, i dont know if someone tried to conect and failed May 05 06:15:53 muthu: ...unless the author is too busy complaining about how the judges aren't judging their app ;) May 05 06:16:00 haha May 05 06:16:02 lol May 05 06:16:42 I was actually impressed with the speed at which judging started May 05 06:17:15 morrildl: so i don't get it, if we ask you personally for our score will you be able to give it to us? or are you not giving them at all no ifs ands or buts? May 05 06:17:24 I can't give out scores May 05 06:17:34 hrm May 05 06:17:37 k May 05 06:17:40 whether we are going to or not is not yet decided May 05 06:17:49 ultimately it's not my decision May 05 06:17:51 morrildl: a fun question May 05 06:18:03 there's about 100 that are logged in here May 05 06:18:15 what's the percentage of them, who are in top 100? May 05 06:18:20 ... May 05 06:18:29 speaking of which May 05 06:18:36 never seen this channel at 100 morrildl May 05 06:18:37 muthu: the submission form asked for email address, not IRC handle May 05 06:18:52 ok.. i am going krazy May 05 06:18:53 lol May 05 06:19:00 ;) May 05 06:19:04 haha May 05 06:19:13 duey: must be my magnetic personality May 05 06:19:16 or maybe jasta's ;) May 05 06:19:19 haha May 05 06:19:37 100 was when we were reaching the climax May 05 06:19:41 apr 12, 13, 14 May 05 06:19:59 believe me, if i'm to make a movie May 05 06:20:04 it would be a blockbuster! May 05 06:20:26 well, I see a nice list of extras you could recruit for the crowd scenes May 05 06:20:36 haha May 05 06:20:58 duey: gets to play the lead ;) May 05 06:21:09 wehre is zhobbs anyway May 05 06:21:20 zhobbs is missing!! May 05 06:21:21 I need to talk to him May 05 06:21:28 morrildl: why? May 05 06:21:35 yeah it will be a picture of my mail box flooding with emails from the mailing list from muthu May 05 06:21:35 he asked me a Q, I have the answer for him May 05 06:21:54 i'm his biggest friend, tell me ;) May 05 06:22:04 O.o May 05 06:22:27 ... May 05 06:22:30 zhobbs is in US, getting accustomed to his new job May 05 06:22:37 that's the last i heard from him May 05 06:22:42 Do you take me entirely for a Windsor?! May 05 06:23:19 zhobbs in florida or something May 05 06:23:54 ahh May 05 06:25:01 may be busy trying to get his SSN May 05 06:25:13 or need to check at the immigration ;) May 05 06:27:04 muthu: where's he from? May 05 06:27:14 germany May 05 06:27:23 wow, really? May 05 06:27:33 you don't know? May 05 06:27:38 who is he? May 05 06:27:44 * morrildl is always vaguely ashamed that other people speak really good English, and he took like a year of French May 05 06:28:54 hey! May 05 06:29:10 haha May 05 06:29:23 romainguy will be speaking to you in french now :) May 05 06:30:49 irc does not help get assignments done May 05 06:31:50 duey: welcome to the club. i got a small essay on the odssey due tmrw May 05 06:31:53 and i just finished reading it today May 05 06:32:05 I May 05 06:32:18 ah I have to write an algo to classify images into a few categories May 05 06:32:22 I'm in the middle of finals :( OS test tomorrow morning May 05 06:33:11 the odyssey even May 05 06:33:42 mickrob1: multiple choice? just remember to choose C for everything. May 05 06:34:03 lol May 05 06:34:05 you can't go wrong with C. May 05 06:34:06 I wish.... mb ill just put c anyways though May 05 06:34:18 can't hurt May 05 06:34:21 but they only means you get 25% if there are A,B,C,D May 05 06:34:30 (assuming they are evenly distributed) May 05 06:34:31 when in doubt: c, even if the only options available to you are A and B May 05 06:34:34 just put down C anyways May 05 06:34:44 ac dc May 05 06:34:47 pick b May 05 06:42:36 jerkface03: duh, everyone knows Java is the best choice today May 05 06:42:49 mickrob1: forget jerkface03, put Java down for everything May 05 06:42:57 hahaa May 05 06:43:17 morrildl: u have to play the man though, this prof is all about c May 05 06:43:25 ;) May 05 06:44:47 morrildl: you have zhobbs mail? May 05 06:44:52 or you need it? May 05 06:45:40 let me check May 05 06:46:56 that's the one May 05 06:46:59 thx May 05 06:47:20 there's one more May 05 06:48:13 morrildl: sorry, it should be 'hobbs' May 05 06:48:22 Is my mail broken? There hasn't been a message to android-challenge in like 45 minutes May 05 06:48:35 haha May 05 06:48:41 people are outright dejected May 05 06:48:43 depressed May 05 06:48:53 heartbroken May 05 06:49:30 Android (432) May 05 06:49:33 i got plenty to read.. May 05 06:49:55 duey: is that the challenge forum? May 05 06:50:02 its all of them May 05 06:50:05 android-* May 05 06:50:09 ok May 05 06:50:22 how to register my name with irc, so i can do private IM? May 05 06:50:35 /msg nickserv help May 05 06:50:42 ok May 05 06:53:29 well, bedtime May 05 06:53:31 later all May 05 07:52:34 "o make May 05 07:52:52 woops May 05 07:52:55 "to make sure no submitters are known terrorists, and that sort of thing." May 05 07:53:00 uh oh May 05 07:53:13 yeah so im so kickedo ut May 05 07:53:17 what if i a name that sounds like a terrorists name? May 05 07:53:20 lol May 05 07:53:25 your out! May 05 07:53:30 s/a/have a May 05 07:53:55 sheesh :/ May 05 07:54:29 wouldn't that suck May 05 07:54:45 "you have the same name as a terrorist, therefore you are not in the compo" May 05 07:58:26 "Week of May 5, 2008: $25,000 awards are announced for 50 most promising entries" May 05 07:58:39 so do awards start falling today? :) May 05 08:06:15 haha May 05 08:06:30 someone made a post that starts with "BREAKING" on the android-challenge forum May 05 08:06:38 what is this? digg.com lol May 05 08:09:09 so... no results today May 05 08:09:20 looks like the race is on between the baby and the results;-) May 05 08:09:55 breaking is so 80s May 05 08:10:14 davidw, heh cool :) May 05 08:13:32 Lede, sometimes i wonder.. May 05 08:13:50 davidw: congratulations then! May 05 08:14:13 heh, well... it may be a day or two, but it seems as if things are getting started May 05 08:14:25 "I suspect very few of the 1788 submissions were in it just for the May 05 08:14:25 money." May 05 08:14:28 * davidw is definitely rooting for the baby over the android results:-) May 05 08:14:35 *cough* *cough* May 05 08:14:40 davidw, might get both! May 05 08:14:48 at the same time.. May 05 08:14:48 duey: what is it that you wonder :-o May 05 08:14:53 re digg.com May 05 08:15:31 davidw: you win, will you name the baby as "droid" ;) May 05 08:15:40 varjag: well everyone wants to win, so in a sense a lot of people want to get the money May 05 08:15:48 don't think so;-) May 05 08:16:00 or Java May 05 08:16:00 davidw: lol May 05 08:16:13 Lede, I dont want a slow, bloated baby;-) May 05 08:16:14 Dalvik! May 05 08:16:20 Lede, i think most people want to win, but at the same time i am not bothered if i dont win May 05 08:16:20 heh May 05 08:16:40 duey: yeah, i'm telling myself not to expect to win May 05 08:16:43 i thought today it'll be over May 05 08:16:48 i didnt May 05 08:17:01 now a few more days of restlessness May 05 08:17:07 muthu, they say wednesday's likely now? May 05 08:17:16 yeah likely May 05 08:17:19 but not final May 05 08:17:21 i think friday May 05 08:17:35 May 9 - most likely May 05 08:17:42 yeah what we need for good weekend May 05 08:18:00 1788 teams drunk May 05 08:18:11 just wanted to get over it and move on May 05 08:18:40 i reckon May 30! May 05 08:18:49 nooo! May 05 08:19:04 nah, must be may 8/9 - v-day in europe :) May 05 08:19:20 "week of May 5, in 2009" May 05 08:19:26 ya May 05 08:19:45 oh shit, now it's may 25!! May 05 08:20:49 muthu, you should edit that post to say 25 May 05 08:22:36 ha, just kidding ;) May 05 08:24:24 muthu: BREAKING May 05 08:24:33 you did that,, May 05 08:24:59 Lede: that's me May 05 08:27:02 Lede: what's life without some spice? May 05 08:27:02 muthu, 15 hits May 05 08:27:10 they mean that if you arein the final 100 May 05 08:27:15 duey: who came up with that number? May 05 08:27:20 uh May 05 08:27:23 right, that's what they say May 05 08:27:33 15 judges May 05 08:27:44 1 hit for each judge? May 05 08:27:48 yer May 05 08:31:58 not sure how the judging would be for the top 100 May 05 08:32:55 yeah neither May 05 08:33:00 maybe they just read the docs May 05 08:33:05 keep its secret May 05 08:33:11 right May 05 08:33:30 wait and see i guess :) May 05 08:33:30 what's Yahoo thinking? May 05 08:33:38 33$ not good enough? May 05 08:33:51 quite clear yahoo board doesnt want to be part of MS May 05 08:33:56 and i dont blame them May 05 08:34:03 they were at 19$ to start with May 05 08:34:21 yhoo is not able to do anything significant by itself May 05 08:34:30 they are at 28.67 atm.. May 05 08:34:32 google ate them for lunch May 05 08:34:44 will be below 20, first thing morning May 05 08:35:19 it'll hit new lows now May 05 08:35:32 ouch May 05 08:35:36 http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:YHOO May 05 08:35:41 Pre-Market: 22.31 -6.36 (-22.18%) May 05 08:35:47 yup May 05 08:35:51 does that means its fallen 6$ prior to opening? May 05 08:36:05 yeah.. it'll open a lot less May 05 08:36:31 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/04/yahoo-prepares-for-a-black-monday/ May 05 08:37:10 if i was jerry yang, i would have happily taken 33 May 05 08:37:45 i'm happy microsoft didnt get their stinking paws on yahoo May 05 08:38:23 Lede: it depends on what yhoo is planning for the future May 05 08:38:38 muthu, MS poisens everything it touches May 05 08:38:47 im sure lang doesnt want his company to die May 05 08:38:56 muthu: what do you think microsoft will do with yahoo mail? May 05 08:39:28 merge it with hotmails (one of the best free email services turned into shit) May 05 08:39:41 my point is, yhoo has reached its peak already May 05 08:39:56 peak of what? May 05 08:39:58 yahoo doesnt have a brand May 05 08:40:02 well brands a bad word May 05 08:40:06 they dont have a stigma May 05 08:40:09 yhoo cannot battle google May 05 08:40:14 like when i hear google i think search May 05 08:40:17 microsoft i think windows May 05 08:40:21 yahoo i think ??? May 05 08:40:22 yhoo is dead already May 05 08:40:35 what is yahoo? May 05 08:40:39 haha May 05 08:40:40 duey: yahoo is really known as /the/ email service and IM in many countries May 05 08:40:49 Lede, i guess but its not here May 05 08:40:50 in like Japan and east-europe May 05 08:41:00 and msft merger might be a good thing actually for yhoo May 05 08:41:14 probably would of killed msft May 05 08:41:16 so yeah :D May 05 08:41:19 muthu: only good for the shareholders May 05 08:41:21 haha May 05 08:41:24 ok, i'm from eastern europe, and yahoo there is known as the american thing May 05 08:41:32 muthu: the company yahoo as we know it wouldnt be the same anymore May 05 08:41:52 Lede: YHOO is going down May 05 08:42:00 down? May 05 08:42:07 its partnership with google might be interesting May 05 08:42:15 that's what i said the peak is up for yhoo May 05 08:42:36 battling google is not easy May 05 08:42:48 ugh May 05 08:43:04 they are even cooperating with google serving ads you know May 05 08:43:04 msft + yhoo might be a good competition for goog May 05 08:43:05 problem with yahoo is that have put there fingers in to many things May 05 08:43:12 just like msft May 05 08:43:24 msft should be concentrating on fixing windows May 05 08:43:31 yet they are off pissing around with yahoo May 05 08:43:55 only goog seems to be focussed now May 05 08:44:02 making all the right moves May 05 08:44:04 yeah May 05 08:44:27 pretty impressed with the android strategy May 05 08:44:56 google is looking for more markets to serve other then search/ads May 05 08:45:02 i don't think they will succeed May 05 08:45:26 or they are looking for more markets to push advertising May 05 08:45:28 never know May 05 08:45:36 just like how microsoft fails with their live-search May 05 08:46:00 how goog does mobile ads will be interesting May 05 08:46:14 who clicks the ads on google btw May 05 08:46:15 i never do May 05 08:46:16 can it monopolize like internet? May 05 08:46:20 do you guys? May 05 08:46:35 duey: there's a crowd which is clicking May 05 08:46:46 when you have a need, you'll clikc May 05 08:46:47 yeah but none of my friends do May 05 08:46:54 and i dont know anyone who does May 05 08:47:03 i clicked once or twice i think May 05 08:47:36 sometimes May 05 08:48:17 normally i don't click ads because it filters down to buying something in the end May 05 08:48:22 but doesnt google also serve non-text based ads? May 05 08:48:29 but when im looking to buy something, it's fine May 05 08:50:09 goog need to plan for mobile now, and they are doing it with android May 05 08:51:54 i wish them good luck May 05 08:52:04 me too May 05 09:00:07 they'll tear competition apart :p May 05 09:03:08 this steve ballmer guy does scare me May 05 09:03:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo May 05 09:03:20 look at his facial expresion :-O May 05 09:03:51 haha May 05 09:08:00 ballmer sends an email May 05 09:08:05 then yang sends an email May 05 09:08:12 why can't they get together and sort it out May 05 09:10:51 in a cage match May 05 09:11:04 royal rumble May 05 09:11:12 haha May 05 09:11:16 ballmer vs yang May 05 09:13:33 the shareholders are angry May 05 09:17:17 it would really suck to work at yahoo right now May 05 09:17:26 it would be depressing May 05 09:17:38 when your management is not listening May 05 09:18:42 duey: i doubt that May 05 09:18:53 how so? May 05 09:19:03 it would be depressing as May 05 09:19:12 why would they be angry about it? May 05 09:19:22 they would have probably lost their jobs with a merge May 05 09:19:37 oh right May 05 09:19:42 yeah they are probably happy about that May 05 09:19:47 but still its not over May 05 09:19:51 Lede: if you lose job, because of the merge.. you have a lot of protection May 05 09:20:00 the merge takes care of it May 05 09:20:03 that's the deal May 05 09:20:25 you simply can't be fired because of the merge May 05 09:20:45 well they can get rid of your position May 05 09:20:59 search term out the door, ads team gone May 05 09:21:05 mail too May 05 09:21:10 not much left May 05 09:21:11 i rather hope newscorp acquires yahoo and leaves the companies technology how it is May 05 09:21:42 yeah May 05 09:48:21 can use a few days of vacation now May 05 10:05:25 anyway, http://ittybittybabyittybittyboat.ytmnd.com/ May 05 10:09:42 TWINKIE HOUSE!! May 05 10:10:01 HABEEB IT! May 05 10:10:18 ITTY BITTY BABY ITTY BITTY BOAT! May 05 10:12:21 May 7 results are out May 05 10:12:27 Habeeb it! May 05 10:14:12 this should be played on the android home page on friday May 05 10:14:34 yeah May 05 10:14:52 its a bit wierd though May 05 10:14:58 not sure about the origins May 05 10:15:36 Lede: where did it come from? May 05 10:16:33 where all internet meme's are born May 05 10:16:41 4chan May 05 10:16:47 :) May 05 10:17:13 anyways i don't know what it means May 05 10:17:31 i'll blame it on you, lede May 05 10:18:15 hi! does anyone knows how different languages (english, german, french) are handled in android apps? May 05 10:18:56 resources will take care of i18n May 05 10:19:14 mazzen: its a work in progress, not yet complete May 05 10:20:04 probably something like gettext() May 05 10:20:18 -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/ May 05 10:20:38 muthu: thanks! is there any resource, where i can look daily for a release? :-) May 05 10:20:47 code.google.com/android May 05 10:20:48 ? May 05 10:20:55 and this channel of course May 05 10:21:14 hehe. thanks muthu, Hai-Fai, Lede! May 05 10:21:18 np May 05 10:21:32 would be great to have rfid chips in andy phones =) May 05 10:21:42 yeah May 05 10:21:50 it depends May 05 10:21:59 if you have a compelling app, requiring RFID May 05 10:22:52 why would you want RFID May 05 10:22:52 well, I have few ideas based on rfid's I'd like to test out, but I just have to wait for chips to appear on api heh May 05 10:43:44 muthu, may 7th? May 05 10:43:52 that's what dan said May 05 10:44:01 but he's also keeping it open May 05 10:44:25 he sounds like a man who doesn't have a clue ;) May 05 10:44:44 nobody has May 05 10:44:45 ^^ May 05 10:45:03 right, google will keep it wrapped May 05 10:45:11 until everything is completely done May 05 10:45:17 im so happy May 05 10:45:30 i halfed the processing time on one of my experiments! May 05 10:45:39 duey: fantastic May 05 10:45:44 4500 images in 28 seconds! May 05 10:45:54 <3 threads May 05 10:46:00 lol May 05 10:46:22 cool May 05 10:46:33 seems to be real fast May 05 10:46:46 created a buffer thread which reads the files of disk May 05 10:46:55 and one that processes them off of a queue May 05 10:47:02 now i just need two more cores.. May 05 10:47:47 if only you can do something to make android apps runs faster ;) May 05 10:49:27 "Larry and Sergey have won. Everything." May 05 10:49:40 lol May 05 10:49:47 ha, the big bosses May 05 10:50:03 my new goal is to meet them May 05 10:50:09 and have a chat over a beer May 05 10:50:30 "hey buddy, can you spare a million?" May 05 10:50:34 hehe May 05 10:50:45 make it a B May 05 10:50:57 I think that's real money even for those guys May 05 10:51:07 you got to be in their league May 05 10:51:21 how much they worth? May 05 10:51:28 25,30? May 05 10:52:01 20, according to wikipedia May 05 10:52:19 see, i'm asking only like 55 May 05 10:52:22 5% May 05 10:52:48 but i'll give them a powerpoint May 05 10:52:57 the next big idea! May 05 10:54:21 here's my big idea: "me - rich" May 05 10:54:27 haha May 05 10:54:43 will they be in I/O? May 05 12:56:58 :| May 05 13:35:28 Good morning everyone May 05 13:40:02 good morning May 05 13:40:51 Hows it going? May 05 13:41:20 im really excited about not getting results today May 05 13:41:37 lol May 05 13:41:50 did you play a lot of halo this weekend? May 05 13:41:53 cod May 05 13:41:55 or i mean cod May 05 13:42:02 leveled up May 05 13:42:05 was that you who got that new name? May 05 13:42:09 the new gamertag. May 05 13:42:10 yea May 05 13:42:13 Lol ok. May 05 13:42:18 I was like WTF who the hell is this guy. May 05 13:42:23 hah May 05 13:42:41 i was watching the office episode with prison mike May 05 13:42:44 that makes sense now. May 05 13:42:51 and it inspired me being that my name is mike May 05 13:42:57 Prison mike? May 05 13:43:01 I dont remember that one. May 05 13:43:19 heh May 05 13:43:21 Prison mike May 05 13:43:28 Kidnapped the presidents daughter May 05 13:43:32 and didn't get caught May 05 13:43:33 The convict.... when the guy from stamford was in prison for insider trading and said jail was better than the office May 05 13:43:39 but you were in prison? May 05 13:43:59 tanks May 05 13:44:33 yeah i dont know what your talking about. May 05 13:44:34 lol May 05 13:44:39 haha May 05 13:44:45 it was in the third season May 05 13:44:51 oh wait. May 05 13:44:52 ok May 05 13:44:54 i remember that one. May 05 13:45:00 i just looked it up on wikipedia May 05 13:45:09 hah May 05 13:45:19 totally was hilarious May 05 13:48:02 lol he is so dumb. May 05 13:48:24 stupid michael scott. May 05 13:48:35 haha May 05 13:48:46 yet smart at the same time May 05 13:48:59 lol i dont think he has ever been smart. May 05 13:49:02 always dumb. May 05 13:49:07 very very dumb May 05 13:49:28 sure he has May 05 13:49:47 he's very talented at sales, which is why he still has a job May 05 13:50:06 he does his job, just looks like an idiot doing it :) May 05 13:50:19 lol May 05 13:50:27 last weeks episode was pretty good May 05 13:51:54 definitely May 05 13:52:14 was last weeks one the one where dwight bought andy's car? May 05 13:52:20 or was that the previous one? May 05 13:52:23 last week May 05 13:52:52 and stupid toby getting jim in trouble May 05 13:53:12 lol i thought he was moving to cube or costa rica anyways May 05 13:53:20 cuba* May 05 13:58:45 haha May 05 14:57:14 what time is it in google land ? were are the results ? May 05 14:58:22 lummie: results delayed May 05 14:58:36 not coming May 05 14:58:48 lets not talk about that May 05 14:59:36 WHAT !!! your pulling my plonker May 05 15:00:10 Hey let's keep it clean on here guys. :-) May 05 15:00:39 Sorry didn't mean to use caps... May 05 15:02:42 muthu: are you being serious about the delay ? May 05 15:03:05 I can't find anything on the blog about it.. May 05 15:03:32 lummie: in the forums May 05 15:03:41 ta May 05 15:03:49 lummie: and in the FAQ - "around may 5" May 05 15:04:01 7. is some new info May 05 15:04:09 but I think it will be friday May 05 15:04:13 ^^ May 05 15:04:29 I'll be in hospital by then..... May 05 15:04:52 shit, already had one bad news today May 05 15:05:26 Guess someone pulled your plonker to hard? May 05 15:06:42 haha May 05 15:06:53 yeah, really May 05 15:07:05 hope google don't do it May 05 15:07:42 The results are not delayed, the ADC website talks about "week of May 5" May 05 15:07:49 it never said "on May 5" explicitely May 05 15:08:11 (that said I have *no idea* when the results will be announced, that doesn't mean it won't be today) May 05 15:08:37 romainguy_: what? May 05 15:08:42 today, no way May 05 15:09:01 lol, just caught up... May 05 15:09:16 muthu: http://code.google.com/android/adc_faq.html << read "what are the deadlines" section May 05 15:09:48 romainguy_: i know, it says week of May 5 May 05 15:10:01 that means it "could" be today May 05 15:10:05 or any day this week May 05 15:10:13 but its been explained clearly, its not going to be before wednesday May 05 15:10:21 by whom? May 05 15:10:21 in the forums, by dan May 05 15:10:33 well then you can wait until wednesday May 05 15:10:45 right May 05 15:10:51 no more bad news for me today May 05 15:11:07 muthu: it that is what you want i would come back here wednesday :) May 05 15:11:12 it might be good news May 05 15:11:13 muthu: it's raining here.... May 05 15:11:31 but good news it's supposed to be sunny tomorrow. May 05 15:11:41 good news is we won May 05 15:11:41 and if you expect to lose, then knowing you lost wont be bad news. May 05 15:11:48 bad news is we were so close to winning! May 05 15:12:01 lol the only way you would know that is if scores were sent out. May 05 15:12:12 and if you knew the lowest score in the top 50 May 05 15:12:14 and of course don't forget, no news is good news May 05 15:12:22 40 is the max May 05 15:12:30 well. May 05 15:12:35 maybe 50 people got 40 May 05 15:12:45 doubt it May 05 15:12:47 hope not.... May 05 15:12:53 but i would think if it was all based on the x/40 they wouldnt have two phases. May 05 15:12:55 above 30, you got a chance May 05 15:13:18 if it was x/40 they wouldnt need to cut to 100 and then cut to 50 May 05 15:13:39 Dougie187: you are right May 05 15:13:51 you have a valid point, which i overlooked May 05 15:13:55 thus, score isnt the only thing that matters. May 05 15:14:05 correct, the top 50 filtering will be based on different criteria May 05 15:14:11 yup May 05 15:21:59 *sigh* May 05 15:23:38 am pretty sure, google is the only one who can cheer me up May 05 15:24:00 jasta: hey, ready for the party? May 05 15:29:37 jasta has been ready for a month May 05 15:30:56 Dougie187: haha, he had a party planned today May 05 15:31:03 and then it rained!! May 05 15:32:46 i just want this to be over so I can launch new versions of my server software, without it I can't launch the other parts of the product May 05 15:35:23 well i guess a party makes sense on cinco de mayo May 05 15:36:08 i'm not too disappointed that i have to go out drinking tonight lol May 05 15:36:37 i'm just gonna try to ignore this crap for a few days. May 05 15:36:40 bbl, gotta go to work May 05 15:54:26 http://juwo-works.blogspot.com/2008/05/to-google-please-make-your-android.html May 05 15:54:43 an interesting read! May 05 16:00:50 Lede: in dead May 05 16:01:32 i hope you meant to say `indeed' May 05 16:01:40 right May 05 16:01:40 ^ May 05 16:01:42 lol May 05 16:03:29 the openmoko/freerunner linux-phone goes into mass production in a couple weeks. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/016740.html May 05 16:23:14 Lede, who wrote that? you? May 05 16:23:49 no May 05 16:23:56 I think it's sort of whiny May 05 16:24:02 we all knew the terms going into the contest May 05 16:24:17 I do agree with the subsidized handsets though:-) May 05 16:25:53 kinda funny May 05 16:28:40 anyone gotten results? May 05 16:28:55 nope May 05 16:28:56 yea May 05 16:28:58 none May 05 16:29:40 results don't come out until at least wednesday if not later May 05 16:30:12 michaelnovakjr_2: your server gotten any hits recently? May 05 16:31:00 no, the judges might not be hitting servers May 05 16:31:13 its not a good way to tell where you stan May 05 16:31:13 d May 05 16:31:23 www.helloandroid.com May 05 16:31:37 read the challenge stuff from dan there and you'll understand what i mean May 05 16:32:30 ah, ok, that's interesting May 05 16:32:49 AstainHellbring: whatup May 05 16:33:06 hiya May 05 16:33:12 not much up just chillin May 05 16:33:55 > since that requires a human's brain. May 05 16:34:13 queue image of larry and sergey in their Evil Lab "muhuhahahhahahaha" May 05 16:35:53 nice nince May 05 16:36:08 wednesday, that's a long wait May 05 16:36:54 AstainHellbring: did you submit an app? May 05 16:36:58 no May 05 16:38:02 it'll be a lot more fun in challenge2 May 05 16:38:16 got to go May 05 16:38:19 see ya guys May 05 16:39:00 dont know what to think about another challenge May 05 16:43:22 i'm so disappointed that they didn't announce today :( May 05 16:43:40 join the club.... i am thinking about making a website for it May 05 16:43:49 i really want this to be over May 05 16:44:21 i want to launch another service that is tied into the android servers and i don't want to until the results are out May 05 16:45:12 this was like the longest weekend of my life May 05 16:45:17 lol May 05 16:45:20 Just think about it that you would want the best judging possible and that takes time. If Google just rubber stamped the process then it would be over soon and probably not with the best apps. May 05 16:45:24 it went by pretty quick for me May 05 16:45:27 got a winning notification.. but its from nigeria! May 05 16:45:35 lol May 05 16:45:37 ? May 05 16:45:40 hehe May 05 16:45:48 that would be an awesome prank, btw. May 05 16:45:53 haha May 05 16:46:00 lol a phishing scam May 05 16:46:05 collecting a bunch of addresses from known hopefuls and sending out a fake you win message :) May 05 16:46:07 really, i'm madly clicking on anything that has "WINNING" ;) May 05 16:46:07 cruel based on what I see here May 05 16:46:20 "Please confirm reciept of the 25k for the ADC prize!" May 05 16:46:25 lol May 05 16:46:30 muthu, ahahaah May 05 16:46:42 send your bank account, so we can wire your funds May 05 16:46:48 heh yup May 05 16:46:52 and ssn May 05 16:46:53 i am curious how the transfer of funds happens. May 05 16:46:55 to confirm you won May 05 16:47:01 surely they don't send you a $25K check in the mail? :) May 05 16:47:08 "Hi, my name is Larry Page, and I have a check for 10 bazillion dollars for you, Mr. DAVID WELTON..." May 05 16:47:13 i bet they would direct deposit or something May 05 16:47:16 they must get your bank account information and direct deposito May 05 16:47:17 deposit* May 05 16:47:28 they get in their Google-jet and fly it to you May 05 16:47:37 and the Google-copter May 05 16:47:49 To the Google cave, Sergey! May 05 16:47:50 lol they should make a super hero called Google-Man May 05 16:48:01 he helps people find things. May 05 16:48:01 what about the Google amphibious all-terrain vehicle? May 05 16:48:07 yeah May 05 16:48:14 and the Google-car May 05 16:48:36 check this out May 05 16:48:40 "oh no, it's my evil nemisis, Couch Cushions" May 05 16:49:17 between waiting for the baby, and this, I think I've pretty much given up on doing anything productive May 05 16:49:18 http://infolab.stanford.edu/~sergey/ May 05 16:49:39 cool animated gif May 05 16:50:21 lol i personally like the "Currently I am at www.google.com" May 05 16:50:26 thats where he lives. May 05 16:50:29 google.com May 05 16:50:44 i dont like how the animated gif makes his skin green May 05 16:50:53 the animated gif didn't do that. May 05 16:51:15 well May 05 16:51:17 something did May 05 16:51:21 what are you going to blame? May 05 16:51:29 too much CRT May 05 16:51:30 his leprosy. May 05 16:51:34 hehe May 05 16:51:39 lol May 05 16:51:53 wow, that's the coolest motivational stuff you can ever see May 05 16:52:04 bbl, now that i'm not going to be rich today, i have to actually perform at my day job May 05 16:52:50 I'm a bit more inspired, for some reason, by guys who made something... more attainable May 05 16:53:06 Google was a winning lottery ticket, like Microsoft or Oracle, IMO May 05 16:53:38 Oracle? May 05 16:53:42 i hear that stuff blows. May 05 16:53:43 well, maybe not May 05 16:53:57 you get the point though... those huge companies are all outliers May 05 16:53:57 Oracle does blow May 05 16:54:24 i wouldnt put them in the same boat. May 05 16:54:31 its disrespectful to google. May 05 16:54:35 you might anger the goog May 05 16:54:53 you better apologize before you are evicted. May 05 16:55:08 ::evicted by the GOOG;; May 05 16:55:11 need to write a post about sergey's page.. then i'll feel better May 05 16:55:21 lol May 05 16:55:54 Research on the Web seems to be fashionable these days and I guess I'm no exception. Recently I have been working on the Google search engine with Larry Page. May 05 16:56:02 who would have thought? May 05 16:56:22 fashionable? May 05 16:56:32 i don't see too many models wearing google around May 05 16:56:41 or the web for that matter May 05 16:56:49 i guess there are fish net stockings. May 05 16:56:59 ill give him the web. May 05 16:57:00 but not google. May 05 16:57:22 i hate being limited to windows and centos May 05 16:59:00 what is this? May 05 16:59:04 www.google.com/microsoft May 05 17:02:55 davidw: i didn't write that May 05 17:06:31 Dougie187: it's for searching microsoft-specific stuff. May 05 17:06:37 for contrast, see google.com/linux May 05 17:06:56 www.google.com/me is all about me! May 05 17:08:04 its down right now.... but i have a page :) May 05 17:08:15 http://www.google.com/ie May 05 17:09:19 hmm cool May 05 17:09:21 there was also one with the freebsd thing May 05 17:09:28 daemon thing May 05 17:09:38 -> http://www.google.com/bsd May 05 17:10:02 thats pretty neat May 05 17:11:03 and a linux one.... May 05 17:15:12 oh wow May 05 17:15:27 davidw: http://www.google.com/davidw May 05 17:17:39 (in case you wonder, no there shouldnt be anything there, i have a strange sense of humour) May 05 17:29:34 this is going to be intense to submit for the second round. May 05 17:29:41 there is less than 60 days from today. May 05 17:29:52 thats nice :) May 05 17:30:17 and the due date is the day after my birthday :) May 05 17:30:23 good thing you have 25K, in case you lose your job because of it May 05 17:30:23 jasta: 60 Days to deadline of ADC II ? May 05 17:30:36 ligi: second round .... ? May 05 17:30:38 ligi: of round 2 of ADC I. May 05 17:30:45 ah k May 05 17:31:03 i have been developing my app under the assumption that i did win the qualifying round, because you don't have any time to lose! May 05 17:31:28 yep May 05 17:31:31 we got 4 1/2 months for ADC I, and most of us produced barely more than a workable demo. May 05 17:31:46 less than 2 months now to produce a launchable application! May 05 17:31:51 well, not everyone has the time May 05 17:32:05 most (including myself) had only time in the weekend May 05 17:32:10 so it was even less then that May 05 17:32:13 Lede: thats unfortunate... May 05 17:32:26 its going to be tough to compete in round two with the full timers May 05 17:32:34 or those who spend more time on it May 05 17:32:51 yes, well good for them May 05 17:32:56 for not having a life May 05 17:32:58 lol May 05 17:33:06 if i win the qualifying round, i fully intend to take a 2 weeks unpaid vacation from work :) May 05 17:33:17 :) May 05 17:33:42 i already plan to quit once the ADC is over :) May 05 17:34:06 where do you plan to go? May 05 17:34:39 work for google! May 05 17:35:02 not sure, but the ADC isn't what made up my mind. i have wanted to quit for a while now. May 05 17:35:14 my job satisfaction is in the toilet in 2008 :) May 05 17:35:55 i would like to enter the mobile industry, but i haven't made up my mind where yet. May 05 17:36:31 the manufacturer side (both software and hardware) of the business seems the most interesting to me. May 05 17:37:51 do a startup May 05 17:38:09 never May 05 17:38:27 why not? May 05 17:39:01 i do not have the competencies necessary to start my own company successfully. i'm extremely disorganized, forgetful, and i prefer to reduce my interaction with business type folks moving forward :) May 05 17:39:25 hm May 05 17:39:48 I hate having other people run my life May 05 17:40:01 my wife is more than sufficient for that;-))) May 05 17:40:16 nobody runs your life just because they sign your paycheck. if that's true, then you have given entirely too much power to your employer. May 05 17:40:43 employment should be an agreement between you and your employer. you give only what you're willing to give. May 05 17:40:59 yeah in theory May 05 17:41:18 well, speaking of... it has been comunicated to me that it's dinner time May 05 18:46:14 <_Marvin_> hello happy developers... May 05 18:59:43 <_Marvin_> so everything as been said in the forum/mailling list and now there is nothing to say anymore :) May 05 19:00:02 <_Marvin_> nothing to talk about :) May 05 19:01:26 contest is over. go home. May 05 19:06:36 haha May 05 19:06:41 nothing to talk, really May 05 19:06:45 how about a new SDK? May 05 19:12:56 how about a nice cup of stfu May 05 19:13:19 * Lede hugs muthu in a non-gay way May 05 19:13:26 'sup May 05 19:13:47 oh oh May 05 19:14:10 HABEEB IT! May 05 19:17:48 where can I go for a quick summery of the technical components of android? May 05 19:19:00 trip0: android docs May 05 19:21:24 heh, probably the best way is to dl the sdk and browse the directory tree. May 05 19:33:48 Here is an app some of our Chinese developers could write and make some pocket change. May 05 19:34:03 http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/05/apple-includes-chinese-handwriting-recognition-in-iphone-2-0-beta/ May 05 19:34:09 or is there one already? May 05 19:35:56 One dollar per Chinese user? May 05 19:46:58 yay, google gave me five.googlecode.com... May 05 19:53:40 wat? May 05 19:56:33 i couldn't register that project name at google code for a long time May 05 19:56:40 and they finally e-mailed me back and gave it to me May 05 19:57:08 mkay May 05 20:15:52 i really need to get in gear writing more code May 05 20:16:02 there's so much left to do before launch May 05 20:16:09 actually, i should be prepping the project to go open source right now May 05 20:18:57 yay for open source May 05 20:19:41 \o/ May 05 20:42:54 hey dan May 05 20:43:12 getting excited for I/O yet? May 05 20:43:38 heh May 05 20:43:41 * morrildl has to make lots of slides May 05 20:44:01 are you presenting? May 05 20:50:46 hey morrildl May 05 20:50:57 yeah May 05 20:52:42 sent a message May 05 21:03:46 morrildl: how's life in mountain view? May 05 21:05:12 Kraln: busy :) May 05 21:05:18 michaelnovakjr_2: sent to where? May 05 21:05:30 pm May 05 21:06:24 morrildl: outside the channel May 05 21:06:44 hmm, didn't get one May 05 21:07:00 * Kraln notes that you have to be identified to send private messages on freenode May 05 21:07:13 oh wait i forgot this one isnt.. May 05 21:07:24 my other name is :( May 05 21:26:28 lol, you know you can just use /nick May 05 21:33:51 poor kitten :( May 05 21:35:21 you squashed it? May 05 21:50:06 michaelnovakjr__: i'm going to see Minus The Bear on Thursday :) May 05 21:57:05 jasta, sweeeet May 05 21:57:18 i have been listening to them a lot lately May 05 21:57:28 its been the work music for the adv May 05 21:57:29 adc May 05 23:05:31 http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/d1afe0621c30eccd May 05 23:05:35 neat May 05 23:07:22 hows it going jasta? May 05 23:07:25 going out to get drunk soon? May 05 23:09:44 yup May 05 23:10:22 doh! May 05 23:10:24 @!# May 05 23:10:32 what? May 05 23:11:40 romainguy: not intended for public consumption? :) May 05 23:11:46 not at all :) May 05 23:12:27 can anyone submit to phase two? May 05 23:12:31 or just the top 50? May 05 23:12:34 i did actually think it strange that he said "you must start using this feature now" May 05 23:12:39 At least it gives us something to look forward to in the next release May 05 23:12:41 Dougie187: just the top 50. May 05 23:12:56 thats what i thought May 05 23:12:58 Dougie187: ADC II, however, will be open to all May 05 23:13:02 except possibly ADC I winners :) May 05 23:13:07 lol May 05 23:13:12 whens adc 2? May 05 23:13:24 second half of '08, according to the docs which change at will :) May 05 23:13:31 ha May 05 23:13:57 any date google projects more than 5 days out should be taken with a grain of salt ;) May 05 23:17:28 lol so you mean, other than the release of ADC 1 top 50 list? May 05 23:19:46 whatever ;) May 05 23:20:37 Haha, what was in that thread? May 05 23:22:19 maybe ill have to dump that one idea into adc 2 than May 05 23:22:51 what one idea? May 05 23:23:22 the restricting usage based on plan details May 05 23:24:51 you mean the idea i gave you about electric fencing the user? May 05 23:26:10 perhaps May 05 23:26:43 perhaps you mean that? May 05 23:27:03 well i guess im not sure what you mean by electric fencing the user, but it was the idea we talked about a couple of weeks ago May 05 23:27:32 not your "secret weapon" but the other one May 05 23:27:53 yeah, about warning the user when they are in excess of their plan limits May 05 23:28:04 and optionally providing parental controls to set hard limits and such May 05 23:28:30 like caging yourself in an electric fence. it will shock you if you touch the edges ;) May 05 23:30:39 yup May 05 23:30:42 exactly May 05 23:37:10 do you have an issue with that? May 05 23:37:16 since your probably going to win adc1 May 06 01:30:05 I hate to be a complainer, but being a developer who worked on an app that doesn't "phone home" I feel like it's a little unfair that the phone-home apps know they're if they're in the top 100 at this point May 06 01:35:17 i worked on a phone home app and it never phoned home May 06 01:35:49 so let's all just calm down and wait May 06 01:36:45 ouch f00f- May 06 01:36:49 that doesn't sound like a good sign May 06 01:42:07 it failed at phoning home :) May 06 01:43:36 anyone here got any recent hits? May 06 01:43:46 i was reading some posts, and a guy said he got one today May 06 01:51:41 does anyone know where I could check out some cool new android apks? May 06 01:51:52 anyone see anything neat that's released yet? May 06 01:57:29 there r several sites, helloandroid.com, modmygphone.com, anddev.org etc. May 06 02:02:25 weatherphone!! May 06 02:02:57 http://code.google.com/p/androidchat/ May 06 02:03:30 It's really unfortunate how worthless these apps are, currently... May 06 02:08:07 i didnt get denied yet May 06 02:08:10 when do we know!!! May 06 02:10:00 This week May 06 02:16:26 thats if dan and others work this weekend May 06 02:16:58 else its on monday May 06 02:18:48 I have a taste for food that is currently unavailable because it is 9:13PM and this sucks because if I was in NYC or someone where in CA like San Jose, I could get fried chicken anytime of the day! even at 1AM in the morning ! Chicago, IL sucks ... take my advice do not move here!!!! May 06 02:19:40 convivial: duly noted :) May 06 02:19:58 There would have to be a lot more than good restaurants to get me to move Chicago. May 06 02:20:23 :( May 06 02:20:23 convivial: in NYC not everything is open so late :) May 06 02:20:31 actually at 1 AM, your choices here are In-N-Out, Jack in the Crack, or some awful diner May 06 02:20:32 only the tourist areas May 06 02:20:43 i'm in NYC May 06 02:20:51 not *that* many better-than-fast-food places open past midnight May 06 02:21:15 well, it's 9:21PM here so that's no excuse May 06 02:21:30 stores should close at 12:00AM or 11PM latest May 06 02:21:36 earliest May 06 02:21:55 yeah, let's change the world May 06 02:22:31 The only thing you can get to eat in Montrose, Colorado that late is bearded clam. May 06 02:22:33 f00f-: the world needs to be completed destroyed by thermo nuclear war then we can rebuild from scratch!!! May 06 02:22:45 i'd like to live near Boston :) May 06 02:23:01 LOL May 06 02:23:20 but this time no copper wires, no religion, no microsoft, no government and no mtv! and will be fine. May 06 02:23:21 clam chowdah, or chow-deure May 06 02:23:40 :) May 06 02:24:09 have any of you used the spatial extension for MySQL ? May 06 02:24:21 negative ghostrider May 06 02:24:34 Did some in Rails. May 06 02:24:52 Seems like the distance functions don't work. May 06 02:24:55 all will be GB internet backbone, fibre optics, and nuclear fission energy ... and plant plenty of trees to end bitching about CO2 levels because trees will simply CO2 to oxygen ... problem fixed. period. May 06 02:25:11 dmoffett: are they still based on a planar model, as opposed to spherical? May 06 02:25:52 been a while let me take a look May 06 02:28:25 it looks like there should be something in 5.1 that's more accurate May 06 02:30:52 5.0 which is what I used is based on OpenGIS. Not sure what they used. May 06 02:31:21 I know I had to right my own distance calculations. May 06 02:31:34 well that sucks May 06 02:31:54 it seems like 5.1 isn't ready yet May 06 02:32:10 Since the distances were pretty small I used a simple calculation. May 06 02:32:37 if you want the code I can give it to you in sql. May 06 02:33:09 dmoffett: i've been looking at this: http://www.voxclandestina.com/2006-09-01/optimizing-spatial-proximity-searches-in-sql/ May 06 02:33:49 dmoffett: i'll be adding something very similar to my app although i haven't looked into it yet May 06 02:34:17 similar to what I had to do but it looks like it the calculations are more accurate. May 06 02:35:44 There are a ton of discussions on the subject. May 06 02:38:15 yeah, i guess i'll try it without the extensions first May 06 02:38:40 SQRT(POW(69.1 * ABS(longitude - #{longitude}), 2) + POW(53.0 * ABS(l\ May 06 02:38:41 atitude - #{latitude}) * COS(longitude/57.3), 2 )) < #{distance_in_miles}) May 06 02:38:58 hold on let me try that again. May 06 02:39:19 SQRT(POW(69.1 * ABS(longitude - #{longitude}), 2) + POW(53.0 * ABS(latitude - #{latitude}) * COS(longitude/57.3), 2 )) < #{distance_in_miles}) May 06 02:39:29 This works ok for short distances. May 06 02:39:56 Note the distance in miles. May 06 02:40:16 right May 06 02:40:26 Please check the work though. May 06 02:44:04 Now that Sun owns MySQL they may fix it and charge you money for it. :-) May 06 02:45:23 dmoffett: yeah, they gotta make up for the $1bn somehow :) May 06 02:54:23 oh well, guess i'll settle for a chunk of cheddar cheeze with a few crackers and some pine apple juice :( May 06 02:55:35 i'm just going to go to chipotle to get a burrito **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 06 02:59:57 2008