**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 06 02:59:57 2008
May 06 03:01:19 <convivial> they closed at 10:00PM :(
May 06 03:01:22 <convivial> this shit sucks
May 06 03:01:29 <convivial> naeprville is assinine
May 06 03:01:46 <michaelnovakjr> family used to live in lisle
May 06 03:06:40 <convivial> michaelnovakjr: you have my condolences. :(
May 06 03:06:45 <michaelnovakjr> haha
May 06 03:06:54 <convivial> lol
May 06 03:07:00 <rainabba_> There a list of supported platforms for Android? I just got the idea that my HTC Titan may support linux and/or Android and I'm looking for info (using google and xda-developers).
May 06 03:07:14 <michaelnovakjr> not  yet
May 06 03:07:21 <michaelnovakjr> nothing has been announced
May 06 03:07:45 <rainabba_> Where will it be announced?
May 06 03:08:35 <michaelnovakjr> no idea
May 06 03:08:46 <michaelnovakjr> i'm sure it'll be covered everywhere :)
May 06 03:28:38 <muthu> mornin
May 06 03:29:06 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
May 06 03:29:16 <muthu> hey michaelnovakjr
May 06 03:29:33 <muthu> any news?
May 06 03:29:44 <michaelnovakjr> nada
May 06 03:29:50 <muthu> k
May 06 03:30:02 <michaelnovakjr> i'm working on sms capabilities on my backend
May 06 03:31:30 <muthu> cool
May 06 03:31:50 <muthu> SMS will require carrier tieups?
May 06 03:32:53 <michaelnovakjr> i'd like to
May 06 03:33:02 <michaelnovakjr> right now its just standard sms for testing
May 06 03:33:14 <muthu> k
May 06 03:34:13 <michaelnovakjr> going to make it available for a certain number of users at first, to get some attention and then hopefully expand the infrastructure to support more and more users
May 06 03:34:31 <muthu> who are the certain number?
May 06 03:34:34 <muthu> how many?
May 06 03:34:59 <michaelnovakjr> have decided... but its whatever the server system can hold.... first come first serve .... no preference
May 06 03:35:36 <muthu> makes sense
May 06 03:36:02 <michaelnovakjr> i am expecting no less than 10,000.... that is the absolute lowest
May 06 03:36:07 <michaelnovakjr> i expect much higher
May 06 03:36:27 <muthu> 100k might be the minimum
May 06 03:37:17 <michaelnovakjr> possibly
May 06 04:09:30 <muthu> free phones are coming
May 06 04:09:44 <muthu> will it be emailed?
May 06 04:09:48 <muthu> haha
May 06 04:12:14 <skicson> i already got mine :-)
May 06 04:12:32 <muthu> skicson: don't use it yet
May 06 04:13:05 <muthu> its got a autotransfer of funds from your bank account ;)
May 06 04:13:13 <Kraln> free phones?
May 06 04:13:28 <skicson> i was wondering about why they needed my bank account number
May 06 04:13:35 <skicson> d'oh.
May 06 04:13:38 <muthu> Kraln: nah.. having fun
May 06 04:14:15 <michaelnovakjr> skicson: got your what?
May 06 04:14:33 <muthu> was expecting a client news this week.. but not coming
May 06 04:14:37 <muthu> tough week
May 06 04:15:11 <muthu> hope google conducts the android events everywhere
May 06 04:15:21 <skicson> michaelnovakjr:my free new android phone they are giving to runner-ups.  (THIS IS JUST A JOKE, IT IS ONLY A JOKE)
May 06 04:15:30 <michaelnovakjr> haha
May 06 04:15:50 <michaelnovakjr> skicson: i heard that microsoft built them for google
May 06 04:15:58 <skicson> LOL!
May 06 04:16:27 <michaelnovakjr> apparently they look like mini xboxes with steve ballmer's head as the screensaver
May 06 04:16:38 <skicson> throwing icons around
May 06 04:16:48 <michaelnovakjr> of the letter 'G'
May 06 04:17:08 <skicson> and as of the other day, "Y"
May 06 04:17:39 <michaelnovakjr> yea, now they are $ - MS = Y
May 06 04:18:42 <muthu> yhoo - 24.47, not bad huh
May 06 04:18:47 <muthu> 15%drop
May 06 04:18:54 <michaelnovakjr> i hope it drops more
May 06 04:18:58 <muthu> it will
May 06 04:19:03 <michaelnovakjr> i don't like jerry yang
May 06 04:19:17 <muthu> no one can understand his moves
May 06 04:19:30 <muthu> this is the perfect closure for yhoo and jerry yang
May 06 04:19:41 <michaelnovakjr> i hope he gets the boot!
May 06 04:19:55 <muthu> it might happen
May 06 04:20:34 <muthu> Why not a bigger rout? Possible reasons include lingering hope that Microsoft may return with another offer, the potential for a lucrative deal with Google (GOOG), and perhaps most surprisingly, recognition that Yahoo is doing better than it was when the deal came to light.
May 06 04:44:26 <muthu> James Davis - is he in google?
May 06 04:45:15 <muthu> if anyone is checking, check at the founders level since JD is a friend of Sergey
May 06 04:47:24 <muthu> Rajeev Motwani?
May 06 05:30:24 <muthu> android.google.com - like it
May 06 05:32:25 <poffy> k, so everyone has confused me about when results are going to be announced. Results are going to be announced sometime this week, correct?
May 06 05:32:33 <muthu> poffy: yes
May 06 05:32:37 <poffy> ok
May 06 05:32:39 <muthu> no one knows when
May 06 05:32:42 <poffy> Yeah
May 06 05:32:48 <poffy> I heard some people saying next week
May 06 05:32:52 <muthu> nope
May 06 05:32:53 <poffy> Some people saying Wednesday
May 06 05:32:56 <poffy> crazy
May 06 05:33:05 <muthu> on or before May 9 for sure
May 06 05:33:15 <muthu> possibly May 7
May 06 05:33:15 <poffy> yeah
May 06 05:33:17 <poffy> ok
May 06 05:44:54 <duey> muthu, you dont know for sure
May 06 05:44:55 <duey> stop bsing
May 06 05:45:15 <duey> it might be may 09!
May 06 05:45:23 <muthu> duey: what's the bs here
May 06 05:45:38 <muthu> it can be any one of the date
May 06 05:45:49 <duey> it could be 10,11,12,14,15,16,17
May 06 05:45:54 <muthu> no
May 06 05:46:16 <muthu> it has been clarified, that May 9 is the deadline
May 06 05:46:25 <muthu> are you under a rock somewhere? ;)
May 06 05:46:41 <duey> i only read "may 9 might be the deadline"
May 06 05:46:46 <muthu> nope
May 06 05:46:49 <muthu> it is the deadline
May 06 05:47:10 <muthu> as of now
May 06 05:47:16 <muthu> unless someone changed it alreaady
May 06 05:57:47 <duey> they should give top 500 people a android device!
May 06 05:57:59 <muthu> that might happen
May 06 05:58:03 <muthu> some discounts or the other
May 06 05:58:09 <duey> yeah discounts even
May 06 05:58:21 <duey> its really hard to develop my app without a camera
May 06 05:58:34 <muthu> hey duey, did you look at photok
May 06 05:58:36 <muthu> ?
May 06 05:58:43 <muthu> its very similar to yours
May 06 05:58:47 <duey> no
May 06 05:58:51 <muthu> check it out
May 06 05:59:03 <duey> where isi t
May 06 05:59:18 <muthu> 1 sec
May 06 05:59:43 <muthu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Or96-48nhI
May 06 06:01:27 <duey> intersting..
May 06 06:01:44 <muthu> yeah, they integrate with picasa, calendar
May 06 06:01:56 <muthu> and goog will likey
May 06 06:02:26 <duey> these are all the ideas of mine :(
May 06 06:02:30 <duey> wtf
May 06 06:04:37 <muthu> haha
May 06 06:04:59 <duey> uhh wtf
May 06 06:05:01 <duey> thats bs
May 06 06:05:12 <muthu> just like lbs
May 06 06:05:14 <muthu> you take anything
May 06 06:05:22 <muthu> there's atleast 10 people doing the samething
May 06 06:05:26 <duey> heh
May 06 06:05:30 <duey> interesting though
May 06 06:05:37 <duey> they had some hand writing recognition going on
May 06 06:05:45 <duey> and it was really accurate
May 06 06:06:03 <duey> im calling fake until i see it in action
May 06 06:06:09 <muthu> might be
May 06 06:06:15 <muthu> most of them are presenting poc
May 06 06:10:39 <muthu> Yo zhobss
May 06 06:10:50 <muthu> zhobbs: where you gone?
May 06 06:55:19 <muthu> http://www.helloandroid.com/node/535
May 06 07:00:04 <duey> so muthu
May 06 07:00:07 <duey> got any hits on your app?
May 06 07:00:16 <muthu> duey: no server for me
May 06 07:00:19 <duey> ah ok
May 06 07:00:20 <muthu> so no idea
May 06 07:00:29 <duey> i wonder how jasta is goin
May 06 07:00:30 <muthu> my submission was a simple cooking app
May 06 07:00:37 <muthu> its either a hit or a miss
May 06 07:00:45 <muthu> both of which is understandable
May 06 07:00:55 <muthu> jasta: has gone partying
May 06 07:00:59 <muthu> for cinco de mayo
May 06 07:03:06 <duey> thats the second time i have heard that saying today
May 06 07:03:08 <duey> what is it
May 06 07:03:16 <muthu> that's mexican new year
May 06 07:03:20 <duey> ah
May 06 07:03:29 <muthu> and americans love mexico!!
May 06 07:06:07 <mickrobk> muthu: it's actually more of a mexican pride day - it celebrates a historic army battle that they won
May 06 07:06:26 <muthu> mickrobk: oh thanks
May 06 07:06:34 <muthu> thought it was the mexican new year
May 06 07:06:48 <mickrobk> 6 years of spanish classes... :)
May 06 07:07:59 <muthu> cool.. you like spanish?
May 06 07:08:51 <mickrobk> not really, havn't taken any in years, i was never any good at languages - but that might have more to do with interest
May 06 07:09:14 <muthu> right, learning languages needs some interest for sure
May 06 07:10:25 <mickrobk> it'd be fun to move to another country and learn the language though, that would be good incentive
May 06 07:10:31 <duey> I know english :D
May 06 07:10:54 <muthu> mickrobk: yeah, going out and learning new things will make you a lot smarter in general
May 06 07:11:27 <muthu> duey: is that the british, american, australian or what? ;)
May 06 07:11:34 <duey> umm
May 06 07:11:46 <duey> i guess its a mix of british and aussie :)
May 06 07:12:17 <muthu> cool
May 06 07:12:32 <duey> real cool
May 06 07:12:33 <duey> haha
May 06 07:12:42 <muthu> recently read an article
May 06 07:12:45 <muthu> about your place
May 06 07:13:04 <muthu> and they were all praise for nature
May 06 07:13:17 <muthu> need to visit sometime
May 06 07:14:43 <duey> no hits
May 06 07:14:49 <duey> no new hits*
May 06 07:14:53 <duey> i must be out :D
May 06 07:14:59 <muthu> haha
May 06 07:15:53 <davidw> I read that cinco de mayo
May 06 07:16:02 <davidw> isn't actually that big a deal in mexico
May 06 07:16:21 <muthu> really? so its only in US then..
May 06 07:17:00 <mickrobk> davidw: yea thats what i've heard as well
May 06 07:18:03 <duey> good excuse to party i guess
May 06 07:20:23 <duey> i so wish i had a quad core machine right now :(
May 06 07:20:47 <muthu> happy with my dual so far
May 06 07:20:54 <duey> i have a dual
May 06 07:20:59 <duey> just im running some experiments
May 06 07:21:01 <romainguy> duey: it doesn't help much in most applications
May 06 07:21:03 <duey> and they are taking ages
May 06 07:21:09 <romainguy> (but I'm very happy with my 8 cores :)
May 06 07:21:11 <duey> it helps if I thread them :)
May 06 07:21:20 <muthu> 8 cores?
May 06 07:21:23 <romainguy> yes
May 06 07:21:24 <muthu> woah
May 06 07:21:26 <duey> 8 cores would be nice
May 06 07:21:32 <duey> i could get these done in a few minutes
May 06 07:21:34 <romainguy> it's really cool in Lightroom and Photoshop
May 06 07:22:29 <duey> ill have to get me a macpro
May 06 07:22:35 <duey> no desk space though :(
May 06 07:22:46 <duey> put the ps3 back in its box
May 06 07:23:13 <romainguy> the macpro goes under the desk :p
May 06 07:23:29 <duey> ah i dont like putting computers under my desk they get full of dust
May 06 07:23:44 <romainguy> on top of the desk too
May 06 07:23:47 <romainguy> but whatever :)
May 06 07:23:59 <duey> yeah but i get way more if i put it on the carpet
May 06 08:25:32 <duey> http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/group_press_releases/2007/vodafone_to_offer0.html
May 06 08:25:36 <duey> intersting ..
May 06 08:25:48 <muthu> yeah duey
May 06 08:25:53 <muthu> iphone coming everywhere
May 06 08:25:58 <duey> yeah
May 06 08:26:29 <muthu> i hate those tieups with 1 vendor though
May 06 08:27:43 <duey> ah im used to it
May 06 08:28:01 <muthu> and such delayed launch
May 06 08:28:09 <duey> we only have two vendors in nz
May 06 08:28:12 <duey> and vodafone is the better
May 06 08:28:33 <muthu> its not who's better
May 06 08:28:41 <duey> the other one has a cdma network so they cant even use iphones
May 06 08:29:09 <muthu> iphone doesn't work on cdma?
May 06 08:29:15 <duey> i dont think so
May 06 08:55:55 <Lede> am i the only who thinks people are whining on the mailinglist about winning and losing?
May 06 08:56:39 <duey> i just ignore it all now
May 06 08:58:12 <duey> wicked 77% classification rate on my scenary dataset~~!
May 06 08:58:36 <Lede> s/only/only one
May 06 10:22:13 <davidw> Lede, they don't even know yet, either
May 06 10:22:16 <davidw> "blah blah blah
May 06 10:22:17 <davidw> "
May 06 10:24:55 * davidw decides to upgrade ubuntu
May 06 10:25:47 * Lede hasnt upgraded from fedora core 6 in a while
May 06 10:27:55 <Lede> ill wait for fedora 10 :o)
May 06 10:37:54 <muthu> fedora 8 is cool
May 06 10:37:59 <muthu> upgrade from fc6
May 06 11:52:52 <muthu> yo boos
May 06 11:53:28 <muthu> wake up and read my latest post in http://helloandroid.com
May 06 11:56:53 <cutmasta> muthu, nice link ;)
May 06 11:57:09 <muthu> cutmasta: thanks
May 06 11:57:41 <muthu> looks like i'll win the Android president post now ;)
May 06 11:59:04 <ligi> muthu for president !-)
May 06 11:59:13 <muthu> yooohooo!
May 06 12:02:26 <cutmasta> muthu, what about http://androidportal.com
May 06 12:02:34 <cutmasta> also cool stuff ;)
May 06 12:02:37 <ligi> muthu: now google has a template for the mail for the x=(1788-50) ;-)
May 06 12:02:56 <muthu> haha
May 06 12:02:59 <cutmasta> hehehehe
May 06 12:03:21 <muthu> let me see, if they contact me
May 06 12:03:24 <muthu> lol
May 06 12:03:37 <muthu> cutmasta: will check out androidportal
May 06 12:03:41 <muthu> you run it?
May 06 12:03:56 <ligi> cutmasta: but the site iss to bright
May 06 12:04:03 <ligi> need sun glasses
May 06 12:04:03 <cutmasta> why to brigth ligi
May 06 12:04:16 <cutmasta> you have to go out 1 day of 30 in a month :)
May 06 12:04:25 <muthu> haha
May 06 12:04:27 <ligi> no
May 06 12:04:28 <ligi> ^^
May 06 12:04:43 <cutmasta> i liked the color scheme
May 06 12:04:54 <ligi> i like dark pages http://ligi-tec.blogspot.com/
May 06 12:05:16 <cutmasta> ligi, so dark
May 06 12:05:27 <cutmasta> its spring
May 06 12:05:30 <cutmasta> nearly summer
May 06 12:05:42 <ligi> not in my office
May 06 12:05:42 <ligi> ^^
May 06 12:05:43 <cutmasta> change to bright, chooose summer :)
May 06 12:07:25 <muthu> cutmasta: were you on vacation? you post what once every 3 months? ;)
May 06 12:07:39 <cutmasta> muthu, work is stressing me more and more
May 06 12:07:46 <muthu> yeah i know
May 06 12:07:56 <muthu> take it easy
May 06 12:08:10 <cutmasta> i run androidportal just for fun
May 06 12:08:32 <muthu> cool, that's the way it should be
May 06 12:08:47 <cutmasta> if i have time i code some stuff for android
May 06 12:08:50 <cutmasta> if not
May 06 12:08:54 <cutmasta> :)
May 06 12:10:20 <muthu> you were busy with ADC
May 06 12:10:31 <muthu> excited about results?
May 06 12:10:43 <cutmasta> i dont see any results
May 06 12:10:49 <cutmasta> are they out?
May 06 12:10:53 <muthu> no
May 06 12:11:03 <muthu> if they are out, what's the fun?
May 06 12:11:07 <cutmasta> hehe
May 06 12:11:25 <cutmasta> i am exited about paralellkingdom
May 06 12:11:27 <cutmasta> and enkin
May 06 12:11:33 <muthu> oh yeah
May 06 12:11:36 <muthu> those are top 2
May 06 12:15:04 <cutmasta> definitly
May 06 12:16:54 <cutmasta> muthu, i just saw my analytics account
May 06 12:17:04 <muthu> what it says?
May 06 12:17:08 <cutmasta> was suprised that 20 visitors were yesterday on the page
May 06 12:17:15 <muthu> wow!
May 06 12:17:23 <cutmasta> but if search for android developer challenge winners....
May 06 12:17:28 <cutmasta> my page is rank 3
May 06 12:17:30 <cutmasta> wtf
May 06 12:17:31 <cutmasta> :)
May 06 12:17:39 <muthu> so we are early
May 06 12:17:49 <muthu> early mover advantage ;)
May 06 12:20:19 <cutmasta> only the early bird gets the worm ;)
May 06 12:20:36 <muthu> bigtime!
May 06 12:22:10 <cutmasta> muthu, im currently a client for open-xchange for android
May 06 12:22:37 <cutmasta> to have all my contacts, appiointments, mails online and access them in real time
May 06 12:23:32 <muthu> wow, cool
May 06 12:24:11 <cutmasta> i hate to manage contacts on a mobile
May 06 12:24:18 <cutmasta> and like the ox web gui to manage them
May 06 12:24:33 <muthu> yeah simplifying the contacts on the mobile
May 06 12:24:35 <cutmasta> and the cool thing is, they have a json interface , which is very very fast
May 06 12:24:39 <muthu> that's something everyone needs
May 06 12:24:55 <cutmasta> i have written this also for iphone
May 06 12:24:58 <cutmasta> but iphone is crap
May 06 12:25:27 <muthu> iphone - is too hard for me now to do
May 06 12:25:45 <muthu> no point in bending backwards for iphone
May 06 12:25:49 <cutmasta> muthu, i wrote a webapp
May 06 12:26:01 <cutmasta> optimized in design and functionality for iphone
May 06 12:26:02 <muthu> which one?
May 06 12:26:11 <muthu> did you sell it?
May 06 12:26:22 <cutmasta> you can jump from iphones contact list (which is online) directly to maps
May 06 12:26:35 <cutmasta> or call contact. or mail him
May 06 12:26:43 <cutmasta> but you can managetr them online
May 06 12:26:51 <cutmasta> and dont have the fucking sync to do
May 06 12:26:56 <muthu> how you distributed?
May 06 12:26:58 <cutmasta> which IS also crap,
May 06 12:27:19 <cutmasta> muthu, currently i just posted in the forum
May 06 12:27:21 <cutmasta> dont have more time
May 06 12:27:47 <muthu> ok
May 06 12:27:53 <muthu> what's your day job?
May 06 12:28:29 <cutmasta> consultant for java,mail and integration projects
May 06 12:29:09 <cutmasta> so i love projects/products
May 06 12:29:19 <cutmasta> which have well documented and working interfaces
May 06 12:29:28 <cutmasta> to integrate in another great product
May 06 12:29:40 <muthu> great, where in US?
May 06 12:29:51 <cutmasta> no, germany
May 06 12:29:58 <muthu> oh cool
May 06 12:30:09 <muthu> either US or germany
May 06 12:30:15 <muthu> that's where the droids are from :)
May 06 12:30:34 <ligi> cutmasta: wo  kommstn her?
May 06 12:30:42 <cutmasta> ligi, near cologne
May 06 12:30:59 <ligi> greetinx to cologne from Leipzig
May 06 12:30:59 <cutmasta> 40miles to the east
May 06 12:31:08 <cutmasta> ligi, back to leipzig :)
May 06 12:31:12 <muthu> thx to android, i've got some german friends now
May 06 12:31:18 <cutmasta> my grandma is from leipzig
May 06 12:31:21 <ligi> muthu: ;-)
May 06 12:31:25 <muthu> :)
May 06 12:34:10 <cutmasta> ligi, you heard from the bad crime which happened in NRW yesterday
May 06 12:34:22 <cutmasta> where 3 babys were found in the freezer
May 06 12:34:46 <ligi> cutmasta: no i have no TV
May 06 12:34:55 <ligi> and not yet read the news
May 06 12:35:14 <cutmasta> ah ok, ligi http://www.stern.de/politik/panorama/:Olpe-Drei-Babyleichen-K%FChltruhe/619280.html
May 06 12:35:34 <cutmasta> the house is 100m near mine, i was shocked, i knew these people
May 06 12:35:45 <muthu> oh man, that's terrible
May 06 12:36:08 <ligi> what a world we live in
May 06 12:36:48 <cutmasta> you cant imagine how much tv teams were there
May 06 12:37:27 <muthu> the good comes with the bad
May 06 12:37:29 <muthu> that's life
May 06 12:37:57 <ligi> and life suxx
May 06 12:37:58 <ligi> ^^
May 06 12:38:23 <cutmasta> ..often :)
May 06 12:38:27 <cutmasta> but not all...
May 06 12:38:28 <cutmasta> :)
May 06 12:40:59 <muthu> its highs and lows
May 06 12:41:07 <muthu> need to take both
May 06 12:41:40 <cutmasta> muthu, where r u from?
May 06 12:42:25 <muthu> Chennai, India.
May 06 12:42:47 <cutmasta> cool
May 06 12:42:56 <cutmasta> i am planning to travel to india these year
May 06 12:43:01 <cutmasta> for 2 weeks
May 06 12:43:07 <muthu> are you coming to chennai?
May 06 12:43:25 <cutmasta> currently i have no idea, where its good to travel to
May 06 12:43:38 <muthu> there's a lot of great places to see
May 06 12:43:39 <cutmasta> i do "research"
May 06 12:43:40 <muthu> india is huge
May 06 12:44:01 <muthu> come to chennai, you can see some temples
May 06 12:44:08 <muthu> tamilnadu is famous for temples
May 06 12:44:34 <cutmasta> muthu, perhaps i can ask you this evening some quests ?
May 06 12:44:41 <muthu> sure
May 06 12:44:45 <muthu> feel free
May 06 12:44:45 <cutmasta> cool, thx
May 06 12:45:04 <cutmasta> i will do so
May 06 12:45:07 <cutmasta> :)
May 06 12:45:20 <cutmasta> expect many many quests :)
May 06 12:45:27 <muthu> sure
May 06 12:45:31 <muthu> np
May 06 15:42:35 <ligi> anyone got results?
May 06 15:43:03 <michaelnovakjr__> judges stuff isn't due until tomorrow.... wouldn't expect them until thursday or friday
May 06 15:43:08 <michaelnovakjr__> the earliest
May 06 15:46:13 <muthu> we'll know by tomorrow
May 06 15:46:36 <michaelnovakjr__> grrr, don't say that
May 06 15:46:44 <michaelnovakjr__> its still a maybe
May 06 15:46:50 <muthu> michaelnovakjr say what?
May 06 15:46:56 <michaelnovakjr__> we'll know by tomorrow
May 06 15:46:59 <muthu> you mean may 7 is not the date?
May 06 15:47:13 <muthu> morrildl: is it may 7?
May 06 15:47:17 <michaelnovakjr__> muthu: you posted it on hello android?
May 06 15:47:38 <michaelnovakjr__> it said wednesday judges get their stuff in tomorrow so they are still on track for 'sometime' this week
May 06 15:47:39 <muthu> michaelnovakjr my understanding is may 7 is possible
May 06 15:47:43 <michaelnovakjr__> sure
May 06 15:47:48 <michaelnovakjr__> possible, but not definite
May 06 15:47:53 <muthu> right, so it might happen
May 06 15:48:12 <michaelnovakjr__> its possible, but it could come thursday or friday even according to dan's statement
May 06 15:48:31 <michaelnovakjr__> i don't want to get my hopes up again :)
May 06 15:48:44 <dmoffett> I thought once the judges turned in their results it had to go to lega?
May 06 15:48:49 <dmoffett> legal.
May 06 15:49:08 <michaelnovakjr__> i'd say its a very small chance they will come tomorrow
May 06 15:49:21 <muthu> legal will be country check
May 06 15:49:34 <muthu> where the submissions came from
May 06 15:49:37 <michaelnovakjr__> i was siked for monday, and don't want to go through that again
May 06 15:49:56 <muthu> michaelnovakjr may 7, may 7, may 7
May 06 15:50:05 <muthu> lol
May 06 15:50:09 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 15:51:22 <michaelnovakjr__> muthu, the sms services are coming along, release date is looking like friday for the service
May 06 15:51:31 <morrildl> muthu: no, it's May 6 today
May 06 15:51:42 <ligi> lol
May 06 15:51:44 <michaelnovakjr__> haha, dan is really funny
May 06 15:51:44 <ligi> ^^
May 06 15:52:09 <ligi> muthu: blog that
May 06 15:52:12 <ligi> ;-)
May 06 15:52:14 <muthu> may 6, really?
May 06 15:52:20 <michaelnovakjr__> my god
May 06 15:52:22 <muthu> ** here i go, blogging
May 06 15:52:22 <ligi> he said today
May 06 15:52:33 <ligi> and he is an official
May 06 15:52:33 <michaelnovakjr__> dude, you must be kidding right?
May 06 15:53:07 <ligi> no kidding
May 06 15:53:13 <muthu> cool.. check the emails everyone
May 06 15:53:18 <michaelnovakjr__> what
May 06 15:53:19 <muthu> i didn't get one yet
May 06 15:53:19 <ligi> muthu: ?
May 06 15:53:23 <ligi> ^^
May 06 15:53:30 <michaelnovakjr__> seriously, muthu read that line again :)
May 06 15:53:47 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:51:32 AM) morrildl: muthu: no, it's May 6 today
May 06 15:53:51 <muthu> michaelnovakjr its today, confirmed
May 06 15:54:02 <michaelnovakjr__> he said today is May 6th
May 06 15:54:12 <michaelnovakjr__> didn't mention the challenge
May 06 15:54:16 <poffy> heh
May 06 15:54:17 <ligi> michaelnovakjr__: but in this context
May 06 15:54:24 <ligi> context iss important
May 06 15:54:38 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:49:56 AM) muthu: michaelnovakjr may 7, may 7, may 7
May 06 15:54:41 <michaelnovakjr__> there is your context
May 06 15:54:58 <dmoffett> It's the 7th in Austrailia
May 06 15:55:07 * ligi is clicking "get mail" button once per second now
May 06 15:55:17 <muthu> guess he wanted me to do breaking news ;)
May 06 15:55:21 <muthu> let me do it
May 06 15:55:31 <ligi> muthu: yes thats wat he wanted
May 06 15:55:33 <poffy> in b4 results aren't announced till the 9th
May 06 15:55:47 <ligi> poffy: b4?
May 06 15:55:58 <poffy> bee-four
May 06 15:56:04 <Dougie187> good morning
May 06 15:56:09 <michaelnovakjr__> guys, i believe he was kidding
May 06 15:56:40 <muthu> no kidding
May 06 15:56:55 <michaelnovakjr__> i'm lost
May 06 15:57:07 <ligi> we're all
May 06 15:57:10 <ligi> lost
May 06 15:57:25 <muthu> where's he?
May 06 15:57:29 <muthu> couldn't find him now
May 06 15:57:39 <michaelnovakjr__> he bailed right after saying his infamous statement
May 06 15:57:45 <muthu> oh oh
May 06 15:58:02 <muthu> wanted to get confirmation
May 06 15:58:04 <muthu> but he left
May 06 15:58:22 <muthu> what you folks say, break this?
May 06 15:58:34 <poffy> Negative
May 06 15:58:44 <ligi> breaking news this
May 06 15:58:46 <Dougie187> so hows it going guys?
May 06 15:58:56 <muthu> Dougie187: the results are out today
May 06 15:59:01 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 15:59:02 <ligi> Dougie187: fine but waiting for results
May 06 15:59:03 <Dougie187> ohh
May 06 15:59:14 <Dougie187> too bad it doesnt affect me
May 06 15:59:27 <michaelnovakjr__> good for you! :)
May 06 15:59:31 <Dougie187> :)
May 06 15:59:34 <Dougie187> i already know im a winner
May 06 15:59:39 <michaelnovakjr__> i think some people are ready to jump
May 06 16:00:00 <muthu> i want to interview the first one who comes out in public
May 06 16:00:02 <Dougie187> eh it happens.
May 06 16:00:09 <Dougie187> of the closet?
May 06 16:00:15 <muthu> check the WINNERMETER!!
May 06 16:00:49 <michaelnovakjr__> its me!!
May 06 16:00:59 <michaelnovakjr__> holy shit!
May 06 16:01:03 <muthu> woah
May 06 16:01:14 <ligi> ?!
May 06 16:01:24 <ligi> url?
May 06 16:01:37 <muthu> michaelnovakjr congrats!!
May 06 16:01:53 <michaelnovakjr__> kidding guys, you are too easy
May 06 16:02:03 <muthu> ** checking email
May 06 16:02:04 <michaelnovakjr__> read what he said again
May 06 16:02:08 <muthu> its me!!!
May 06 16:02:15 <muthu> holy cow!!
May 06 16:02:34 <muthu> ** buys interviewing myself
May 06 16:02:37 <muthu> ** busy
May 06 16:02:47 <ligi> *rofl*
May 06 16:03:01 <muthu> lol
May 06 16:03:47 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 16:03:54 <Dougie187> you guys are going crazy with anticipation
May 06 16:04:03 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 06 16:04:13 <michaelnovakjr__> you should have been here when dan cracked his joke
May 06 16:04:16 <muthu> Dougie187: this is the next best thing to winning
May 06 16:04:18 <Dougie187> what joke?
May 06 16:04:22 <michaelnovakjr__> i think everyone fell off the chair
May 06 16:04:43 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:48:32 AM) michaelnovakjr__: i don't want to get my hopes up again :)
May 06 16:04:43 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:48:44 AM) dmoffett: I thought once the judges turned in their results it had to go to lega?
May 06 16:04:43 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:48:49 AM) dmoffett: legal.
May 06 16:04:43 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:49:09 AM) michaelnovakjr__: i'd say its a very small chance they will come tomorrow
May 06 16:04:43 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:49:22 AM) muthu: legal will be country check
May 06 16:04:44 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:49:34 AM) muthu: where the submissions came from
May 06 16:04:46 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:49:37 AM) michaelnovakjr__: i was siked for monday, and don't want to go through that again
May 06 16:04:48 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:49:56 AM) muthu: michaelnovakjr may 7, may 7, may 7
May 06 16:04:50 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:50:05 AM) muthu: lol
May 06 16:04:52 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:50:09 AM) michaelnovakjr__: haha
May 06 16:04:54 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:51:22 AM) michaelnovakjr__: muthu, the sms services are coming along, release date is looking like friday for the service
May 06 16:04:57 <michaelnovakjr__> (11:51:32 AM) morrildl: muthu: no, it's May 6 today
May 06 16:05:38 <michaelnovakjr__> as you can see, its been fun :)
May 06 16:05:40 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 16:06:21 <michaelnovakjr__> i wonder if one of them leaked it to the forums yet
May 06 16:06:57 <muthu> actually i asked dan, is it may 7?
May 06 16:07:12 <michaelnovakjr__> and...
May 06 16:07:14 <muthu> he said, no its May 6 today
May 06 16:07:21 <muthu> that's the joke
May 06 16:07:30 <muthu> and he left
May 06 16:07:37 <michaelnovakjr__> when did you ask him?
May 06 16:07:53 <muthu> michaelnovakjr check the thread, there's a direct message to him
May 06 16:08:17 <michaelnovakjr__> ah so then he was serious
May 06 16:08:35 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 16:08:35 <muthu> now what this means is, its not before may 9
May 06 16:08:36 <michaelnovakjr__> he said may 6 cause that's cali time and said today as well for those over seas
May 06 16:08:54 <michaelnovakjr__> its today :)
May 06 16:08:59 <ligi> but "It's May 6" would be a cool topic for a post to the android-challenge-group actually
May 06 16:09:19 <Dougie187> you would just make everyone mad again though.
May 06 16:09:47 <Dougie187> from what i hear they are already just complaining about the whole judging process.
May 06 16:10:03 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 06 16:10:12 <michaelnovakjr__> boo hoo! :)
May 06 16:10:17 <ligi> Dougie187: thats not so bad - will give us free Android Phones ,-)
May 06 16:10:34 <ligi> for calming us down
May 06 16:10:34 <michaelnovakjr__> yea, they are built by Microsoft
May 06 16:11:29 <michaelnovakjr__> the results will come when they are ready....until then have a beer and play Call of Duty!
May 06 16:11:35 <michaelnovakjr__> or work...
May 06 16:11:36 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 16:11:37 <Dougie187> HALO
May 06 16:11:40 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 16:11:48 <Dougie187> im playing mario kart right now
May 06 16:11:52 <poffy> or study for finals
May 06 16:11:54 <Dougie187> people who play mario kart online are terrible
May 06 16:12:09 <michaelnovakjr__> poffy. yea if you are still in school sure :)
May 06 16:12:13 <Dougie187> poffy: what level of school?
May 06 16:12:20 <poffy> College
May 06 16:12:25 <Dougie187> nice
May 06 16:12:33 <Dougie187> what kinda classes are you taking?
May 06 16:12:58 <poffy> Well, as this is my first year, I had to take a simple programming class
May 06 16:13:02 <poffy> Programming Fundamentals I
May 06 16:13:06 <ligi> http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/284737906/
May 06 16:13:12 <poffy> I don't think I have a grade below a 94
May 06 16:13:13 <poffy> er
May 06 16:13:14 <poffy> 95
May 06 16:13:20 <ligi> "And of course, we had to ask about Android: the first device is (still) coming later this year, but it will not br in the form of the Diamond."
May 06 16:16:26 <Dougie187> nice
May 06 16:16:32 <Dougie187> what are you learning in it?
May 06 16:17:03 <poffy> It's C++
May 06 16:17:12 <poffy> but we aren't even going to get to pointers :|
May 06 16:17:18 <poffy> Which I'm pretty good with.
May 06 16:17:26 <Dougie187> Lol
May 06 16:17:33 <Dougie187> sounds like cake
May 06 16:17:34 <poffy> Pointers and classes will be covered in Programming Fundamentals II
May 06 16:17:37 <poffy> indeed, it is
May 06 16:18:00 <Dougie187> I wonder what carriers are getting that Diamond
May 06 16:18:08 <michaelnovakjr__> poffy, no C?
May 06 16:18:19 <Dougie187> lol noone teaches c anymore.
May 06 16:18:20 <poffy> eh a little C
May 06 16:18:21 <Dougie187> its all c++
May 06 16:18:26 <Dougie187> thats like asking if they learn fortran.
May 06 16:18:32 <michaelnovakjr__> disappointing
May 06 16:18:40 <michaelnovakjr__> seeing Linux is still written in C
May 06 16:18:40 <Dougie187> c++ teaches you c, and oop
May 06 16:18:46 <michaelnovakjr__> not really
May 06 16:18:51 <Dougie187> for the most part.
May 06 16:18:56 <michaelnovakjr__> c++ adds a layer of crap on true C programming
May 06 16:18:58 <Dougie187> i mean you dont really get structs and stuff
May 06 16:19:23 <Dougie187> but if you learn c++ without streams then you can easily learn c
May 06 16:19:44 <Dougie187> streams, are in my opinion one huge difference.
May 06 16:19:58 <Dougie187> but also universityies want students to learn the idea of OOP
May 06 16:20:05 <michaelnovakjr__> you could, but i always thought its smarter to learn c and then go into c++ looking at all the oop concepts without worrying about C stuff
May 06 16:20:29 <Dougie187> I learned it C -> Java -> C++
May 06 16:20:31 <Dougie187> personally
May 06 16:20:34 <Dougie187> and i didnt have an issue with it.
May 06 16:20:35 <poffy> Weird.
May 06 16:20:39 <poffy> I learned
May 06 16:20:40 <Dougie187> but I also didnt learn C in university
May 06 16:20:44 <poffy> C -> C++ -> Java
May 06 16:20:57 <Dougie187> I hadnt seen c++ until this year actually
May 06 16:21:06 <poffy> Java was really easy after learning C++
May 06 16:21:08 <Dougie187> first term of grad school
May 06 16:21:14 <Dougie187> but then again, i wasnt CS
May 06 16:21:49 <michaelnovakjr__> i <3 C
May 06 16:21:53 <Dougie187> me too
May 06 16:21:59 <Dougie187> C is by far my favorite
May 06 16:22:06 <michaelnovakjr__> totally
May 06 16:22:09 <Dougie187> though, i like being able to do new in C++
May 06 16:22:13 <Dougie187> rather than malloc
May 06 16:22:58 <michaelnovakjr__> i don't mind malloc
May 06 16:22:59 <Dougie187> man.
May 06 16:23:01 <Dougie187> i want my laptop back
May 06 16:23:04 <Dougie187> i dont either.
May 06 16:23:06 <Dougie187> i just think new is easier
May 06 16:23:08 <michaelnovakjr__> still waiting huh?
May 06 16:23:14 <Dougie187> yeah its making me mad.
May 06 16:23:21 <Dougie187> been 5 days and they havent updated the status
May 06 16:23:31 <Dougie187> its been there a week actually
May 06 16:23:36 <michaelnovakjr__> that sucks
May 06 16:23:45 <Dougie187> i would think you could easily diagnose and repair a laptop within 2 days
May 06 16:23:55 <Dougie187> personally i know you can because ive done that crap before.
May 06 16:26:28 <Dougie187> I actually did take a data structures class that was taught in c
May 06 16:26:46 <Dougie187> that class was awesome
May 06 16:27:53 <Dougie187> once i get my laptop back. im going to start writing an android app
May 06 16:27:55 <Dougie187> for adc2
May 06 16:28:19 <michaelnovakjr__> Dougie187: i plan to start another one very soon too
May 06 16:28:25 <Dougie187> nice
May 06 16:28:29 <Dougie187> any idea what your going to do?
May 06 16:28:34 <michaelnovakjr__> not yet :)
May 06 16:28:34 <Dougie187> or is it secret?
May 06 16:28:36 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 16:28:49 <michaelnovakjr__> no secret.... it'll be something not done yet and open source :)
May 06 16:28:50 <Dougie187> you should copy jasta's "Anti Ex-GF" idea
May 06 16:28:57 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 16:29:42 <Dougie187> Tax Rebate checks this friday, for some people.
May 06 16:29:47 <Dougie187> myself included
May 06 16:30:00 <michaelnovakjr__> i don't get one :)
May 06 16:30:05 <Dougie187> bust how come?
May 06 16:30:17 <michaelnovakjr__> didn't fall into the salary bracket
May 06 16:30:38 <Dougie187> on the irs' website it just says you have to make more then 3000 in qualified expenses in 2007
May 06 16:30:42 <Dougie187> no upper limit.
May 06 16:30:59 <michaelnovakjr__> yea?
May 06 16:31:09 <michaelnovakjr__> i was told there was a limit? do you have to do anything for it?
May 06 16:31:09 <Dougie187> Are you eligible? The vast majority of people who file a 2007 income tax return qualify, and many who don't regularly file a tax return may qualify as well. You're eligible if you have a valid Social Security Number (SSN), can't be claimed as a dependent on a tax return and have either an income tax liability or "qualifying income" of at least $3,000. Qualifying income includes any combination of earned income and certain benefits fro
May 06 16:31:09 <Dougie187>  
May 06 16:31:09 <Dougie187> Both people listed on a "married filing jointly" return must have valid SSNs to qualify for the payment — if only one has a valid SSN, neither can receive the payment.
May 06 16:31:39 <michaelnovakjr__> looks like i fit into that
May 06 16:31:46 <Dougie187> Did you file for 2007?
May 06 16:32:06 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 06 16:32:15 <Dougie187> you get Direct Deposite? or Paper Check?
May 06 16:32:19 <michaelnovakjr__> direct
May 06 16:32:23 <Dougie187> http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=180250,00.html
May 06 16:32:28 <Dougie187> you can see when you should get yours then
May 06 16:32:58 <michaelnovakjr__> hm, i didn't need to fill anything out with them?
May 06 16:33:07 <Dougie187> nope
May 06 16:33:09 <Dougie187> they send it to you
May 06 16:33:13 <Dougie187> as long as you filed for 2007
May 06 16:33:26 <michaelnovakjr__> ah, i would get mine june 6
May 06 16:33:30 <Dougie187> no.
May 06 16:33:34 <Dougie187> thats paper checks
May 06 16:33:38 <Dougie187> you get yours friday
May 06 16:33:39 <michaelnovakjr__> my tax returns came back with paper checks though
May 06 16:33:50 <Dougie187> i thought you said you do direct deposit
May 06 16:33:55 <michaelnovakjr__> i misunderstood
May 06 16:33:58 <Dougie187> oh
May 06 16:33:59 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 16:33:59 <Dougie187> ok
May 06 16:34:00 <Dougie187> then yes
May 06 16:34:01 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 16:34:02 <Dougie187> june 6th
May 06 16:34:04 <michaelnovakjr__> interesting
May 06 16:34:07 <Dougie187> so you have about a month to wiat
May 06 16:34:08 <Dougie187> wait
May 06 16:34:17 <Dougie187> most people get theirs friday
May 06 16:34:20 <Dougie187> (for dd at least)
May 06 16:34:30 <Dougie187> pretty sweet though
May 06 16:34:32 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 06 16:34:35 <Dougie187> everyone get an extra 600 bucks
May 06 16:34:45 <Dougie187> 1200 for couples
May 06 16:35:06 <Dougie187> though they say 300-600 for individuals and 600 - 1200 for couples
May 06 16:35:21 <Dougie187> but from what i have heard everyone who is an individual has gotten 600
May 06 16:35:32 <michaelnovakjr__> nice
May 06 16:35:35 <Dougie187> i guess if you make a lot you might only get 300
May 06 16:36:35 <michaelnovakjr__> yea :(
May 06 16:36:39 <Dougie187> but still
May 06 16:36:42 <Dougie187> moneys money
May 06 16:37:06 <michaelnovakjr__> absolutely :)
May 06 16:42:13 <michaelnovakjr__> and the results are....
May 06 16:50:13 <poffy> morrildl, you created a storm of confusion
May 06 16:50:23 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 16:50:43 <morrildl> O RLY
May 06 16:51:33 <poffy> http://rafb.net/p/r1qyLQ48.html
May 06 16:51:35 <poffy> Just some of it
May 06 16:51:36 <poffy> heh
May 06 16:51:50 <michaelnovakjr__> muthu thought you said the results are today morrildl
May 06 16:52:48 <dmoffett> Of course that is not very hard with about 83 very pumped up developers on this irc.  :-)
May 06 16:52:49 <davanum> fyi, they got JavaFX running on Android
May 06 16:52:54 <davanum> http://www.ustream.tv/sun
May 06 16:53:15 <morrildl> yes, today is May 6th
May 06 16:53:17 <davanum> Rich Green just demoed it
May 06 16:53:19 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 16:53:25 <poffy> Indeed
May 06 16:53:26 <morrildl> I guess that's only true where I am though, so I can see how there might be confusion :P
May 06 16:53:27 <poffy> May 8th
May 06 16:53:30 <Lede> morrildl: are you excited as we are?
May 06 16:53:31 <poffy> er
May 06 16:53:33 <poffy> May 6th
May 06 16:53:36 <poffy> indeed
May 06 16:53:55 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl: you guys should announce the top 100 today :)
May 06 16:54:05 * Lede gives morrildl some nervousness
May 06 16:54:14 <morrildl> Lede: I am excited to have it be over ;)
May 06 16:54:18 <Lede> :P
May 06 16:54:24 <morrildl> hee hee
May 06 16:54:33 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl: all the more reason to push out that top 100 :)
May 06 16:54:42 <morrildl> anyway yeah it should kick ass, there are some nice apps in there
May 06 16:54:48 <davanum> morrildl: did you know about this already? JavaFX on Android?
May 06 16:55:01 <morrildl> davanum: know about what?
May 06 16:55:17 <davanum> Sun got JavaFX ported to run on Android
May 06 16:55:44 <davanum> http://www.sun.com/software/javafx/index.jsp
May 06 16:56:05 <Lede> what is JavaFX?
May 06 16:56:14 <davanum> Rich Green - JavaOne Keynote - just saw a demo - http://www.ustream.tv/sun
May 06 16:56:22 <morrildl> davanum: which part of JavaFX?
May 06 16:57:11 <davanum> hard to figure out...need to figure out. definited looked like a native UI. not browser based
May 06 16:57:30 <morrildl> well, they're more than welcome to :)
May 06 16:57:40 <morrildl> davanum: did they show something running on the emulator or something?
May 06 16:58:00 <romainguy_> I'm bummed I couldn't go to the keynote
May 06 16:58:01 <davanum> morrildl: yep on the emulator
May 06 16:58:05 <morrildl> nifty
May 06 16:58:15 <morrildl> they should have submitted it to the ADC ;)
May 06 16:58:25 <davanum> hehe, that's why i asked :)
May 06 17:00:44 <michaelnovakjr__> i am excited for these results! I can't wait for it to be over
May 06 17:04:00 <Lede> i am excited to hear i didn't won so i can go on with my life :o)
May 06 17:04:37 <michaelnovakjr__> haHA
May 06 17:05:49 <michaelnovakjr__> the suspense is driving me crazy
May 06 17:06:48 <muthu> wow, javafx on android
May 06 17:06:51 <muthu> cool
May 06 17:06:55 <muthu> we don't need flash then
May 06 17:07:04 <Lede> ..
May 06 17:07:13 <Lede> you think youtube isnt needed?
May 06 17:07:39 <muthu> Lede: that on the web
May 06 17:08:32 <muthu> finally sun making the moves
May 06 17:08:36 <muthu> * right moves
May 06 17:08:55 <michaelnovakjr__> Sun is going to do very well this year i think
May 06 17:09:07 <muthu> if they are embracing android, yes
May 06 17:09:17 <muthu> then they get it
May 06 17:11:02 <michaelnovakjr__> i like Sun
May 06 17:21:49 <muthu_> davanum: thanks for the javafx news
May 06 17:26:37 <davidw> what's with sun "getting X running on Y"
May 06 17:26:52 <davidw> it's almost like...they have no confidence in their own platform:-/
May 06 17:27:12 * davidw reboots...hopefully into the new ubuntu!
May 06 17:27:19 <muthu_> davidw: fx on android makes sense
May 06 17:27:37 <michaelnovakjr__> makes lots of sense
May 06 17:28:22 <muthu_> hopefully fx helps build rich media apps quickly
May 06 17:30:07 <davanum> muthu: twas quite a surprise when i saw romainguy_'s emulator background photo pop up :)
May 06 17:30:32 <muthu_> davanum: should be haha
May 06 17:30:36 <romainguy_> davanum: ^^
May 06 17:30:40 <muthu_> what's the example app they ran?
May 06 17:31:13 <muthu_> romainguy_ javafx coming to android.. sun demoed it today, at javaone on the emulator
May 06 17:31:15 <davidw> that wasn't so bad
May 06 17:31:21 <romainguy_> muthu_: I saw :)
May 06 17:31:27 <davidw> muthu_, so why does it make sense on android?
May 06 17:31:36 <muthu_> cool
May 06 17:31:43 <muthu_> davidw:  to quickly build RIA
May 06 17:32:25 <davanum> muthu_: they had some social app they showed on the desktop and a PDA and then they showed it on Android
May 06 17:32:27 <davidw> RIA?
May 06 17:32:58 <muthu_> davanum: hmm cool sun keeps tab on android
May 06 17:33:14 <muthu_> davidw:  Rich Internet Apps on clients
May 06 17:33:23 <davidw> you can do that with Hecl
May 06 17:33:26 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 17:33:46 <muthu_> Hecl has a UI?
May 06 17:34:00 <michaelnovakjr__> java is used a bit more i think
May 06 17:34:24 <davidw> muthu_, in what sense?
May 06 17:34:55 <muthu_> to quickly put an app together
May 06 17:35:16 <davidw> ah, you mean an IDE/gui builder thing
May 06 17:35:25 <muthu_> davidw: yeah even the api's
May 06 17:35:43 <muthu_> like programming flash
May 06 17:35:52 <davidw> what do you mean 'even the apis' ? I've never done flash
May 06 17:36:19 <michaelnovakjr__> so then how does hecl support RIA development?
May 06 17:36:44 <muthu_> davidw: i think you mean writing internet app is easier in hecl
May 06 17:36:50 <davidw> I'm kind of not getting what muthu_ is saying
May 06 17:36:58 <davidw> writing lots of things is easier in Hecl
May 06 17:37:18 <michaelnovakjr__> even flash or flex based applications?
May 06 17:37:23 <michaelnovakjr__> thats RIA
May 06 17:37:31 <davidw> ahh, ok I wasn't familiar with that term
May 06 17:37:40 <davidw> does javafx do that though?
May 06 17:37:45 <muthu_> yup
May 06 17:37:57 <muthu_> that's why i'm saying its huge
May 06 17:38:06 <muthu_> flash / air / silverlight etc.,
May 06 17:38:10 <muthu_> not there yet
May 06 17:38:17 <muthu_> so java has this early mover thing
May 06 17:38:22 <muthu_> i mean fx
May 06 17:38:35 <davidw> hrm, I'll have to investigate more...
May 06 17:38:38 <davidw> the language seems ok
May 06 17:38:47 <romainguy_> JavaFX has a special language for UIs
May 06 17:38:55 <muthu_> right
May 06 17:38:58 <romainguy_> the language itself knows about animations, binding, etc.
May 06 17:39:00 <davidw> sort of like javascript gets into a car wreck, with the declarative UI stuff, which is nice
May 06 17:39:04 <romainguy_> it has really powerful feature
May 06 17:39:22 <mnel_work> too bad that HTC didn't reveal dream today. :(
May 06 17:39:24 <muthu_> then we can all program fx, and ditch romainguy_ UI thingy ;)
May 06 17:39:44 <muthu_> no activity, view stuff
May 06 17:39:46 <muthu_> haha
May 06 17:40:11 <michaelnovakjr__> good luck with that
May 06 17:40:29 <muthu_> and finally what you get is, you can run your fx app wherever fx runs
May 06 17:40:52 <muthu_> mobile, web, pda's, oven etc.,
May 06 17:42:22 <michaelnovakjr__> on my phone too?
May 06 17:42:34 <muthu_> that's what adobe, msft is fighting for
May 06 17:42:41 <muthu_> with flash, silverlight etc.,
May 06 17:42:53 <muthu_> michaelnovakjr your phone too
May 06 17:43:00 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 06 17:43:09 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 17:43:30 <muthu_> only catch is no one know how cool fx is
May 06 17:43:34 <davidw> we'll see...
May 06 17:43:39 <muthu_> is it better than flash?
May 06 17:43:47 <muthu_> better than silverlight?
May 06 17:43:51 <michaelnovakjr__> wait for HeclFX
May 06 17:43:56 <davidw> never underestimate sun's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
May 06 17:44:03 <muthu_> lol
May 06 17:44:10 <muthu_> heclFAX
May 06 17:44:40 <muthu_> davidw: good point
May 06 17:44:53 <muthu_> they'll screw it up finally
May 06 17:46:04 <muthu_> adobe will have big plans for android.. can't wait to see
May 06 17:46:17 <michaelnovakjr__> how do you know
May 06 17:46:42 <muthu_> michaelnovakjr you think they'll be ignoring android?
May 06 17:46:46 <davidw> I kind of loathe flash:-/
May 06 17:47:00 <michaelnovakjr__> i am not sure, they  might just do what they do for all the other platforms
May 06 17:47:00 <Dougie187> i think flash is pretty cool
May 06 17:47:16 <Dougie187> lol they could make a flash on top bug like they have with linux
May 06 17:47:21 <muthu_> android is going to be big
May 06 17:47:29 <muthu_> and everyone is going grab that share
May 06 17:47:31 <Dougie187> at least you hope
May 06 17:47:45 <Dougie187> at least i hope as well though
May 06 17:47:51 <muthu_> Dougie187: right
May 06 17:47:55 <muthu_> its going to be interesting
May 06 17:48:19 <muthu_> no single player is going to monopolize though
May 06 17:48:38 <Dougie187> I hope it knocks out windows mobile.
May 06 17:49:01 <muthu_> Dougie187: hope so
May 06 17:49:15 <Dougie187> at least people can write apps so it integrates with every os easily
May 06 17:49:22 <Dougie187> whereas stupid windows mobile doesnt.
May 06 17:49:32 <Dougie187> though i bet google will do that already
May 06 17:49:59 <muthu_> google will do what?
May 06 17:50:06 <muthu_> goog gave us android
May 06 17:50:07 <michaelnovakjr__> there needs to be a mobile/web video streaming standard
May 06 17:50:26 <Dougie187> make android apps so it integrates with all oses easily
May 06 17:50:27 <michaelnovakjr__> **open source standard
May 06 17:50:32 <Dougie187> for file sharing, and tethering
May 06 17:50:50 <muthu_> Dougie187: what are you talking about?
May 06 17:50:57 <Dougie187> Ok..
May 06 17:51:01 <muthu_> android apps integrating with other O/S?
May 06 17:51:03 <Dougie187> Windows mobile..
May 06 17:51:21 <Dougie187> Windows Mobile doesnt easily let you talk to a linux computer for file sharing and tethering apps
May 06 17:51:44 <muthu_> the objective of android is to get rid of all other mobile o/s
May 06 17:51:50 <Dougie187> ...
May 06 17:52:01 <Dougie187> thats not a resonable objective though
May 06 17:52:09 <michaelnovakjr__> not at all
May 06 17:52:12 <Dougie187> i think the objective is more to make a cheap alternative that is feature rich
May 06 17:52:13 <michaelnovakjr__> it won't ever happen
May 06 17:52:22 <Dougie187> and user friendly
May 06 17:52:39 <michaelnovakjr__> yes, but it will never be the only mobile o/s
May 06 17:52:39 <Dougie187> that way they wont have to pay a license fee for something that sucks balls
May 06 17:52:44 <Dougie187> i agree
May 06 17:52:53 <Dougie187> some cell makers will choose to use windows mobile
May 06 17:53:01 <Dougie187> or maybe they have some agreement with msft
May 06 17:53:13 <Dougie187> but also android is "supposed" to allow for cheaper versions of smart phones.
May 06 17:53:22 <Dougie187> because the os won't cost so much any more
May 06 17:53:25 <muthu_> if the mobile oem's can freely boot android, why will they go to msft?
May 06 17:53:35 <Dougie187> because they wont have to pay for it.
May 06 17:53:38 <Dougie187> the end user will
May 06 17:53:51 <Dougie187> and if cell carriers will sell their stuff people will still by it
May 06 17:54:03 <Dougie187> plus, some people don't like google, similar to how some people don't like msft
May 06 17:54:13 <Dougie187> (granted its not as wide spread)
May 06 17:54:24 <Dougie187> but those people would refuse to buy an android phone
May 06 17:54:32 <muthu_> i can predict one thing
May 06 17:54:39 <Dougie187> and im sure android will lack some feature that some people will want
May 06 17:54:44 <muthu_> there's going to be a lot of android phones in the next couple  of years
May 06 17:54:50 <Dougie187> and those people wouldnt know how to program and add that feature in for themselves
May 06 17:55:01 <Dougie187> True, but android is not goign to be the only os
May 06 17:55:10 <muthu_> right
May 06 17:55:20 <Dougie187> also, a lot of developers have their own os that they developed.
May 06 17:55:22 <Dougie187> RIM for instance
May 06 17:55:41 <Dougie187> they probably would rather use the one they paid for then use a free one google developed
May 06 17:55:57 <muthu_> it depends on the carriers though
May 06 17:55:58 <jasta> *WHOA*
May 06 17:56:09 <Dougie187> no it doesnt.
May 06 17:56:10 <muthu_> jasta:  how was the party?
May 06 17:56:12 <jasta> i am SOOOOO hungover
May 06 17:56:14 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 17:56:17 <muthu_> hehe
May 06 17:56:24 <Dougie187> i wish i could smack your head
May 06 17:56:26 <jasta> i still feel drunk!
May 06 17:56:35 <michaelnovakjr__> that sounds like fun
May 06 17:56:36 <muthu_> jasta: what you had?
May 06 17:57:26 <jasta> mostly whiskey and beer
May 06 17:57:38 <jasta> but apparently way too much of it!
May 06 17:57:59 <muthu_> that's a party then
May 06 17:58:40 <Lede> "i am so hungover" lol
May 06 17:59:46 <Dougie187> im bored
May 06 17:59:48 <Dougie187> i want linux back
May 06 18:00:11 <Dougie187> will someone buy me a new laptop with their winnings?
May 06 18:00:19 <Dougie187> ;)
May 06 18:00:43 <muthu_> Dougie187: sure
May 06 18:00:48 <Dougie187> nice
May 06 18:01:00 <Dougie187> not an olpc though
May 06 18:01:17 <muthu_> what you have in mind?
May 06 18:01:24 <Dougie187> lenovo thinkpad r61
May 06 18:01:33 <Dougie187> w/ nvidia nvs
May 06 18:01:41 <Dougie187> its only like $730
May 06 18:01:48 <muthu_> that's it.. cool
May 06 18:01:52 <Dougie187> i price it about twice an hour
May 06 18:02:20 <Dougie187> what kinda laptop do you have?
May 06 18:02:28 <Dougie187> or do you have a desktop
May 06 18:02:45 <muthu_> i have a cheap hp-compaq
May 06 18:02:52 <muthu_> and an old dell laptop
May 06 18:02:57 <Dougie187> if you win are you gonna get a new one?
May 06 18:03:17 <muthu_> i'm ok with mine
May 06 18:03:24 <muthu_> but you'll always want to buy a new one
May 06 18:03:47 <Dougie187> what would you do if you won?
May 06 18:03:54 <muthu_> mine is a team
May 06 18:04:02 <muthu_> so probably i get like 8k
May 06 18:04:04 <Dougie187> how many are on it? just two right?
May 06 18:04:10 <muthu_> yes
May 06 18:04:22 <Dougie187> do they get more than you?
May 06 18:04:37 <muthu_> no
May 06 18:04:42 <muthu_> 50/50
May 06 18:05:01 <muthu_> remember the taxes
May 06 18:05:05 <muthu_> that's 1/3 gone
May 06 18:05:11 <Dougie187> but your out of the country right?
May 06 18:05:43 <muthu_> right, i partnered with one in SF
May 06 18:05:53 <Dougie187> oh
May 06 18:06:03 <Dougie187> and are they giving the prize to the team captain or splitting it?
May 06 18:06:14 <muthu_> captain, we agree
May 06 18:06:19 <Dougie187> whos the captain
May 06 18:06:29 <muthu_> never really bothered
May 06 18:06:33 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:06:35 <muthu_> but if we win, will have to look into it
May 06 18:06:38 <Dougie187> well didnt the captain have to submit things?
May 06 18:06:39 <muthu_> all the legalese
May 06 18:06:55 <muthu_> yes
May 06 18:07:01 <muthu_> SF is the captain
May 06 18:07:07 <Dougie187> oh ok
May 06 18:07:12 <Dougie187> i was just gonna say
May 06 18:07:15 <Dougie187> just my two cents.
May 06 18:07:27 <muthu_> but you can decide how you want the prize
May 06 18:07:28 <Dougie187> but if you get a choice, and you wouldnt have to pay taxes. you should be the captain
May 06 18:07:45 <Dougie187> also, if you had them split it I bet they would split it first, and then take out taxes.
May 06 18:08:03 <michaelnovakjr__> stupid taxes
May 06 18:08:05 <Dougie187> so if you dont pay taxes, you would probably get 12.5k
May 06 18:08:07 <muthu_> right.. winning actually would pose a lot of problems ;)
May 06 18:08:22 <Dougie187> problems worth the money though
May 06 18:08:23 <michaelnovakjr__> my project is non-profit and free software!
May 06 18:08:42 <muthu_> i'm more looking forward to the IO event
May 06 18:08:43 <Dougie187> im pumped for adc2
May 06 18:08:47 <Dougie187> i didnt know they were making one
May 06 18:09:31 <muthu_> adc2.. that would be fun
May 06 18:09:31 <Dougie187> why do they have to talk about stupid social applications
May 06 18:09:44 <Dougie187> im going to try and submit an app to adc2
May 06 18:09:51 <muthu_> any idea?
May 06 18:09:57 <Dougie187> yeah
May 06 18:10:01 <Dougie187> the electric fence
May 06 18:10:10 <Dougie187> jasta and I were talking about it a couple of weeks ago
May 06 18:10:18 <muthu_> what?
May 06 18:10:39 <Dougie187> its kinda like parental controls. but based on plan details
May 06 18:10:48 <muthu_> cool
May 06 18:10:56 <Dougie187> if you go over your limits your battery explodes
May 06 18:11:05 <muthu_> woah
May 06 18:11:19 <Dougie187> pretty sweet huh?
May 06 18:11:26 <jasta> wait a minute
May 06 18:11:30 <Dougie187> it will teach those bastard children not to go over their minutes.
May 06 18:11:31 <muthu_> the kids would love you
May 06 18:11:31 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:12:14 <Dougie187> whats up jasta?
May 06 18:12:30 <jasta> whats this post on helloandroid.com?
May 06 18:12:41 <jasta> oh, nm, it's just muthu being chatty
May 06 18:12:47 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:12:57 <muthu_> jasta: that's for next week
May 06 18:13:00 <jasta> im too hungover.  i am gonna go to lunch with my brother.
May 06 18:13:01 <jasta> later folks
May 06 18:13:24 <muthu_> jasta:  no work today?
May 06 18:13:34 <Dougie187> see ya
May 06 18:13:39 <morrildl> I think I am hungover too
May 06 18:13:43 <morrildl> and I didn't even drink last night
May 06 18:13:59 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl: that is because you still have the top 100 under wraps....
May 06 18:14:02 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 06 18:14:17 <Dougie187> i bet he is so irritated with comments like that he is keeping it more secret
May 06 18:14:18 <Dougie187> just to spite you
May 06 18:14:19 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:14:24 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:14:29 <morrildl> Nah
May 06 18:14:30 <Dougie187> he ate it
May 06 18:14:32 <Dougie187> so noone will know
May 06 18:14:37 <muthu_> morrildl: i was "this" close to breaking the may 6 news
May 06 18:14:41 <morrildl> But every time I see one, the score goes down a little bit ;)
May 06 18:14:46 <Dougie187> haha
May 06 18:14:48 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:14:51 <Dougie187> they lose a place
May 06 18:14:59 <Dougie187> see michaelnovakjr__ you did win the competition.
May 06 18:15:06 <Dougie187> but.. after pestering dan so many times.
May 06 18:15:13 <Dougie187> you barely lost.
May 06 18:15:16 <Dougie187> coming it at 51st place
May 06 18:15:18 <muthu_> hehe
May 06 18:15:19 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:15:48 <Dougie187> nerds need to learn patientice
May 06 18:16:00 <michaelnovakjr__> oh yes, but nerds can't!
May 06 18:16:12 <Dougie187> are you married?
May 06 18:16:18 <michaelnovakjr__> me?
May 06 18:16:20 <Dougie187> yes
May 06 18:16:26 <michaelnovakjr__> engaged
May 06 18:16:33 <Dougie187> well. soon enough you will need patientice
May 06 18:16:43 <michaelnovakjr__> that or a corner to hide in
May 06 18:16:47 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:16:49 <Dougie187> no a mix
May 06 18:16:57 <dmoffett> ear plugs
May 06 18:17:00 <Dougie187> you need a corner to hide in. then you need to be patient and wait in the corner
May 06 18:17:29 <muthu_> morrildl: legal work, done?
May 06 18:17:30 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:17:38 <Dougie187> muthu: -1 place
May 06 18:17:51 <morrildl> muthu_--
May 06 18:17:52 <dmoffett> lol
May 06 18:17:59 <Dougie187> now the scoreboard reads muthu - 52nd place
May 06 18:18:03 <muthu_> hehe
May 06 18:18:12 <muthu_> i'm not even sure, if its in 100
May 06 18:18:21 <muthu_> cooking.. come on
May 06 18:18:24 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:18:33 <Dougie187> cooking could be useful
May 06 18:18:37 <Dougie187> more useful than facebook
May 06 18:18:40 <Dougie187> or myspace
May 06 18:18:42 <morrildl> dude
May 06 18:18:51 <morrildl> win or lose, that app is going on MY device, at least
May 06 18:18:58 <muthu_> woah
May 06 18:19:06 <muthu_> i salute my partner
May 06 18:19:09 <morrildl> So is jasta's five :)
May 06 18:19:11 <Dougie187> ok muthu_ now misconstrue that as saying you won.
May 06 18:19:18 <Dougie187> go put it up on your blog
May 06 18:19:22 <Dougie187> and tell everyone that you won
May 06 18:19:24 <michaelnovakjr__> haah
May 06 18:19:25 <Dougie187> and everyone will freak out
May 06 18:19:30 <muthu_> oh oh
May 06 18:19:31 <Dougie187> and say WHAT WHERE ARE THE RESULTS?!?!
May 06 18:19:44 <muthu_> i report only facts
May 06 18:19:50 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:19:50 <muthu_> no rumors!!
May 06 18:20:02 <michaelnovakjr__> the site isn't www.helloandroidrumors.com!
May 06 18:20:10 <muthu_> morrildl: you looked at your boss posting today?
May 06 18:20:13 <Dougie187> its helloandroidn.com/rumors
May 06 18:20:19 <Dougie187> helloandroid*
May 06 18:20:35 <muthu_> i mean the motivational post around your boss ;)
May 06 18:20:46 <dmoffett> morrildl: So what is your device and when can we get one?  :-)
May 06 18:20:57 <michaelnovakjr__> dmoffett: -2
May 06 18:21:01 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:21:11 <michaelnovakjr__> -1 for what is and -1 for when can we get one
May 06 18:21:20 <Dougie187> man dmoffett you just made a facebook app take 50th place
May 06 18:21:20 <dmoffett> Taht would put me at 1790
May 06 18:21:21 <Dougie187> comon.
May 06 18:21:33 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:21:55 <muthu_> http://helloandroid.com/node/535
May 06 18:22:01 <muthu_> for those of you who missed it
May 06 18:22:03 <michaelnovakjr__> i have a feeling mine is a little too boring for some people's taste..... i'm expecting 1,787
May 06 18:22:03 <Dougie187> hey morrildl when you release the results, will you supply people with a denomination of app categories? like social networking and stuff?
May 06 18:22:13 <Dougie187> USEFUL though
May 06 18:22:21 <Dougie187> Yours can save lives.
May 06 18:22:24 <Dougie187> thus very useful
May 06 18:22:40 <Dougie187> i want to see how many facebook and myspace apps there were
May 06 18:22:43 <morrildl> muthu_: who, Andy Rubin? or my actual manager?
May 06 18:22:49 <michaelnovakjr__> Dougie187: i hope none
May 06 18:22:53 <muthu_> morrildl: lol
May 06 18:23:00 <Dougie187> you know there were some
May 06 18:23:04 <michaelnovakjr__> myspace and facebook should die
May 06 18:23:09 <Dougie187> true
May 06 18:23:21 <Dougie187> but you know in your heart that someone submitted at least one facebook and myspace app
May 06 18:23:21 <muthu_> read the post and click the link
May 06 18:23:29 <michaelnovakjr__> Dougie187: of course
May 06 18:24:00 <morrildl> muthu_: oh, that :)   I like how his page says "I am currently at Google"
May 06 18:24:03 <Dougie187> i just want it to be quantified
May 06 18:24:14 <morrildl> I think he could remove the word 'at' to increase accuracy ;)
May 06 18:24:18 <Dougie187> heh thats what i said yesterday morrildl
May 06 18:24:25 <muthu_> morrildl: oh yeah, that was the inspiration for the post
May 06 18:24:36 <muthu_> after i saw that, wanted to write something around it
May 06 18:24:57 <muthu_> and what better crowd to address, than the people who might have lost and thus dejected
May 06 18:25:03 <michaelnovakjr__> i want someone to write.... the winners have been announced!
May 06 18:25:17 <Dougie187> The winners have been announced!
May 06 18:25:23 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:25:24 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:25:44 <muthu_> and the homepage reminds me my school days
May 06 18:25:52 <Dougie187> you should greet everyone who joins the channel by "OMG ____ Did you win?!?!"
May 06 18:26:01 <muthu_> that's how the homepages where those days
May 06 18:26:04 <Dougie187> write an irc bot for it
May 06 18:26:49 <michaelnovakjr__> www.youdidnotwin.com
May 06 18:26:55 <Dougie187> duh
May 06 18:26:57 <Dougie187> i know i didnt win
May 06 18:27:00 <michaelnovakjr__> haha.
May 06 18:27:10 <Dougie187> the question is.
May 06 18:27:11 <Dougie187> did you win?
May 06 18:27:18 <muthu_> michaelnovakjr does it ever say, that someone win?
May 06 18:27:33 <michaelnovakjr__> haha not that i know of
May 06 18:27:48 <muthu_> its not yours?
May 06 18:27:54 <michaelnovakjr__> ;)
May 06 18:28:03 <Dougie187> its called youdidnotwin.com
May 06 18:28:17 <Dougie187> i would think of it as contradictory if someone actually won
May 06 18:28:42 <muthu_> haha
May 06 18:28:58 <Dougie187> i would be confused if it told me I won
May 06 18:29:01 <Dougie187> i would be like wtf.
May 06 18:29:10 <muthu_> so its only for entering others apps huh?
May 06 18:29:10 <Dougie187> www.youdidnotwin.com didnt work. it said i Did win.
May 06 18:29:47 <Dougie187> michaelnovakjr__: halo?
May 06 18:29:55 <michaelnovakjr__> halo?
May 06 18:29:59 <Dougie187> halo?
May 06 18:30:07 <michaelnovakjr__> halo for android?
May 06 18:30:10 <Dougie187> no
May 06 18:30:12 <Dougie187> halo?
May 06 18:30:37 <Dougie187> would you like to play halo?
May 06 18:30:45 <michaelnovakjr__> oh, i'm at the office :(
May 06 18:30:49 <Dougie187> bust
May 06 18:30:52 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 06 18:30:56 <michaelnovakjr__> stupid office
May 06 18:31:02 <Dougie187> is prison mike there?
May 06 18:31:55 <michaelnovakjr__> yea, he's in the corner twitching
May 06 18:32:00 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 18:32:15 <michaelnovakjr__> saying 'dont drop the soap!'
May 06 18:32:21 <Dougie187> heh
May 06 18:32:33 <Dougie187> what  a perverted fellow
May 06 18:32:37 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:32:43 <Dougie187> that is  the only think on prison mikes mind though
May 06 18:32:57 <Dougie187> he certainly isnt worried about winning the adc
May 06 18:33:09 <michaelnovakjr__> not at all :) or finding out the results!
May 06 18:33:18 <Dougie187> nope
May 06 18:33:22 <Dougie187> btw... -1
May 06 18:33:41 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 18:33:48 <michaelnovakjr__> damn 1,791
May 06 18:34:00 <Dougie187> lol isnt that lower than the number of apps submitted?
May 06 18:34:13 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 06 18:34:31 * Kraln pokes muthu_
May 06 18:34:44 <muthu_> Kraln: hey bud
May 06 18:34:47 <Dougie187> your app was so bad they made a special place for it
May 06 18:34:55 <Dougie187> Hey Karln the results were announced
May 06 18:35:01 <Kraln> oh really?
May 06 18:35:07 <Dougie187> yup ask michaelnovakjr__
May 06 18:39:05 <michaelnovakjr__> ?
May 06 18:39:26 <michaelnovakjr__> oh yea Kraln i am 1,791 on the list
May 06 18:42:57 <michaelnovakjr__> have no fear muthu_ said may 6th is the day for the announcment
May 06 18:43:07 <michaelnovakjr__> announcment +e
May 06 18:43:16 <muthu_> michaelnovakjr you believe that?
May 06 18:43:33 <michaelnovakjr__> eh, not really.... its more just hopeful
May 06 18:43:41 <michaelnovakjr__> i doubt it very much :(
May 06 18:43:43 <muthu_> am guess may 9 now
May 06 18:43:56 <muthu_> since dan is making a joke about may 7
May 06 18:44:18 <michaelnovakjr__> may 9 makes more sense
May 06 18:44:28 <Lede> yeah
May 06 18:44:28 <muthu_> weekend
May 06 18:44:38 <Lede> they don't work in the weekend
May 06 18:45:09 <muthu_> it can't go beyond may 9.. then phase II would suffer
May 06 18:45:11 <michaelnovakjr__> may 9 is a friday here
May 06 18:45:23 <Lede> ..
May 06 18:45:27 <michaelnovakjr__> or well everywhere :)
May 06 18:45:27 <Dougie187> man i just schooled these kids at swords on snowbound
May 06 18:45:41 <muthu_> haha
May 06 18:45:42 <michaelnovakjr__> what i mean is may 9 in calie
May 06 18:45:55 <Dougie187> what are you talkingabout?
May 06 18:46:01 <michaelnovakjr__> i have no idea
May 06 18:46:05 <michaelnovakjr__> i am mumbling now
May 06 18:46:17 <muthu_> lol
May 06 18:46:22 <muthu_> michaelnovakjr gone insane
May 06 18:46:45 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 06 18:47:22 * Lede wonders how people will react if they didnt win
May 06 18:47:38 <michaelnovakjr__> Lede, preparing for that :)
May 06 18:49:47 <muthu_> allright, another long day tomorrow
May 06 18:49:54 <muthu_> goodnight folks
May 06 18:49:58 <Dougie187> i think most people are preparing for that
May 06 18:50:00 <Dougie187> night muthu_
May 06 18:50:02 <michaelnovakjr__> enjoy
May 06 18:56:12 <Kraln> muthu hilariously set his root password to something
May 06 18:56:17 <Kraln> and didn't remember what it was.
May 06 18:56:26 <jerkface03> poontang?
May 06 18:56:34 <Kraln> my cellphone goes off "I forgot my root password"
May 06 18:56:40 <Kraln> but of course it was worded like it was my fault somehow
May 06 18:57:24 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:03:46 <davidw> wow, this new firefox history behavior is hyper annoying
May 06 19:03:59 <davidw> hahhaha
May 06 19:05:15 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:05:20 <Dougie187> how it drops down a list of sites
May 06 19:05:23 <Dougie187> and they are huge boxes?
May 06 19:05:46 <Dougie187> then 3/4 of your screen is history boxes?
May 06 19:06:03 <davidw> yeah
May 06 19:06:15 <davidw> and it seems to search on the title too
May 06 19:07:42 <Dougie187> your not big on 450 boob pages coming up when your wfie types bo?
May 06 19:07:53 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 19:08:09 <davidw> har har
May 06 19:08:27 <dmoffett> lol
May 06 19:08:40 <davidw> did you see that newscast pic that came up on some turkish channel? the guy started typing youtube, but the first one in the list was youporn or something like that
May 06 19:08:56 <Dougie187> haha
May 06 19:08:58 <jasta> asfhrrhghgh!$(*
May 06 19:09:00 <jasta> i am burning up
May 06 19:09:16 <Dougie187> roll in some ice
May 06 19:09:27 <jasta> i wish, but i'm at work
May 06 19:09:37 <Dougie187> i can take out your kidneys and put you on ice
May 06 19:09:46 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 19:10:22 <jasta> does muthu basically run helloandroid.com now?
May 06 19:10:29 <jasta> all the posts are his
May 06 19:10:36 <davidw> ahahahah
May 06 19:11:46 <jasta> he also writes way too much of this inspirational drivel
May 06 19:12:06 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:12:08 <Dougie187> true
May 06 19:12:14 <Dougie187> but your hungover
May 06 19:12:17 <Dougie187> so its amplified
May 06 19:12:32 <jasta> maybe so
May 06 19:12:51 <davidw> jasta, does someone have a case of the Mondays?
May 06 19:13:08 <Dougie187> its tuesday
May 06 19:13:20 <davidw> Dougie187, it's a joke
May 06 19:13:24 <davidw> it's a line from Office Space
May 06 19:13:32 <Dougie187> lol i know
May 06 19:13:35 <Dougie187> but its tuesday
May 06 19:13:45 <michaelnovakjr__> hahahhahaaaha
May 06 19:14:47 <Dougie187> if you recall. the original joke was used on a monday
May 06 19:15:51 <Dougie187> damnit toshiba. ship me back my laptop
May 06 19:15:54 <Dougie187> i want to play with linux
May 06 19:15:55 <Dougie187> not windows
May 06 19:16:13 <Dougie187> <--- has no patience
May 06 19:16:25 <Dougie187> as you can clearly tell
May 06 19:17:50 <morrildl> Tonight: Absinthe & Guitar Hero.
May 06 19:17:58 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:18:09 <Dougie187> that sounds like a messed up evening
May 06 19:18:11 <morrildl> I am just saying...
May 06 19:18:22 <morrildl> Dougie187: no, that was the Absinthe Milkshake from a few weeks ago
May 06 19:18:22 <michaelnovakjr__> a break
May 06 19:18:30 <michaelnovakjr__> hmmm..... that is interesting morrildl
May 06 19:18:49 <morrildl> (the milkshake actually worked, except that I mixed the absinthe too strong)
May 06 19:18:50 <michaelnovakjr__> taking a break due to an upcoming announcement
May 06 19:19:05 <michaelnovakjr__> ok ok.,,, minus myself -1000
May 06 19:19:13 <davidw> well if morrildl is not going to be around when the announcement comes out, we should take this time now to hurl epithets at him!
May 06 19:19:14 <morrildl> ;)
May 06 19:19:27 <morrildl> better find another channel then, this one is still logged ;)
May 06 19:19:31 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:19:38 <davidw> "OMG, Google is the sucks!!!! U R so lame not to pick me!!!!!"
May 06 19:20:15 <Dougie187> wouldnt those be better suited on a wednesday?
May 06 19:21:32 <michaelnovakjr__> but if the announcement is before this evening in cali morrildl will be around for it and then going home to relax
May 06 19:21:36 <jasta> hehe, i'm wearing a guinness t-shirt at work hehe
May 06 19:21:39 <michaelnovakjr__> ok, where's muthu
May 06 19:21:50 <jasta> no, please don't bring him here
May 06 19:21:53 <jasta> not today, i'm too hungover :)
May 06 19:21:55 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 19:22:06 <morrildl> no, there is no announcement today :)
May 06 19:22:09 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 19:22:21 <morrildl> I am just going to play Guitar Hero and get my absinthe on because I feel like it :)
May 06 19:22:27 <Dougie187> what theres an announcement today?
May 06 19:22:28 <michaelnovakjr__> figured as much.... from your announcement monday that would make sense
May 06 19:24:48 <Dougie187> which guitar hero are you playing?
May 06 19:25:20 * davidw is going to read some fish entrails to divine when the announcement will be
May 06 19:26:57 <Dougie187> davidw: as always. i think you may have crossed the line.
May 06 19:27:24 <jasta> i hope Google sends the winners a comically oversized check
May 06 19:27:31 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 19:27:51 <michaelnovakjr__> they should knock on everyone's door with a camera too
May 06 19:28:47 <jasta> i hope so
May 06 19:28:58 <jasta> i wonder if anybody is going to win from San Francisco
May 06 19:29:47 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:30:23 <jasta> probably not, they all smell and are bad.
May 06 19:30:46 <Dougie187> i have a friend who lives in san fran
May 06 19:31:08 <jerkface03> are we making discriminatory jokes?
May 06 19:31:14 <Dougie187> jasta is
May 06 19:31:22 <jerkface03> well then, let me join in
May 06 19:31:25 <Dougie187> you may join in if you want to
May 06 19:31:37 <jerkface03> i bet the majority of enteries from sanfran are gaydar related
May 06 19:31:43 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:31:52 <jasta> ohh, that new HTC phone looks sexy.
May 06 19:31:54 <Dougie187> you are what the spaniards call "El terrible"
May 06 19:33:49 <Dougie187> too bad it doesnt have android on it
May 06 19:37:07 <jasta> yeah, but we know they are going to release one, so this is good news that the company is starting to think sexy.
May 06 19:38:15 <jasta> i would actually buy this thing if not for an Android phone coming out around the same time :)
May 06 19:38:23 <Dougie187> yeah
May 06 19:38:26 <Dougie187> i want an android phone
May 06 19:39:21 <michaelnovakjr__> i have an android phone :)
May 06 19:40:29 <jasta> i cant believe it has a 3.2MP camera
May 06 19:40:31 <Dougie187> emulator.... on... your computer...
May 06 19:40:41 <Dougie187> thats as good as our digital camera
May 06 19:40:42 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:41:02 <michaelnovakjr__> nope.... i have android phone because once i get android i'll put it on whatever i'd like !
May 06 19:41:14 <jasta> this phone is clearly the basis for their android offering.
May 06 19:47:00 <jasta> i can see HTC getting sick of Microsoft's lazy attitude toward Windows Mobile
May 06 19:47:10 <michaelnovakjr__> i hope
May 06 19:50:43 <Dougie187> i wonder how much they had to develop for msft
May 06 19:51:38 <jasta> i have a friend who is a project manager on the windows mobile team...
May 06 19:52:18 <jasta> she asserts that Android is not even on their radar as a competitor.
May 06 19:52:35 <jasta> which makes me smile.  it means windows mobile will just lay down and die :)
May 06 19:52:40 <michaelnovakjr__> wow, they are really full of themselves
May 06 19:53:05 <jasta> it won't be long now ;0
May 06 19:53:25 <michaelnovakjr__> there's two teams i would like to work on]
May 06 19:53:32 <michaelnovakjr__> 1. win mobile and 2. flash
May 06 19:53:48 <michaelnovakjr__> reasons are to figure out what the hell is going on with the code
May 06 19:54:03 <jasta> sabotage? :)
May 06 19:54:28 <michaelnovakjr__> win mobile power consumption is crap.... and i'd like to see the flash runtime
May 06 19:55:00 <Dougie187> I thought you were going to say you had a friend working at windows mobile, and she hates her life
May 06 19:55:09 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 19:58:38 <Dougie187> i dont even know how they can say its not on the radar
May 06 19:58:54 <michaelnovakjr__> they are microsoft..... are you really that surprised?
May 06 19:59:01 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 19:59:21 <Dougie187> you should write a radar app for android. and put a blip on it that says "Android" and say look its on the radar!!
May 06 19:59:23 <michaelnovakjr__> if you ask them, Vista is the best selling operating system ever
May 06 19:59:39 <michaelnovakjr__> and its stable!!
May 06 19:59:39 <Dougie187> and thats why Xp costs more than vista from lenovo and most companies right?
May 06 19:59:45 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 06 20:00:02 <michaelnovakjr__> they never admit bumps in the road
May 06 20:00:05 <Dougie187> xp pro costs more then vista home basic and premium
May 06 20:00:14 <Lede> hah
May 06 20:00:18 <Dougie187> they should publicly apologize for vista
May 06 20:00:24 <Lede> michaelnovakjr__: they admit and know what vista is like
May 06 20:00:36 <Lede> michaelnovakjr__: they are turning it into a show
May 06 20:00:51 <Dougie187> thats why they are pumping out vista 2.0 soon right?
May 06 20:00:53 <Lede> michaelnovakjr__: so when Windows 7 comes they will say "This is the best thing ever!" (like always)
May 06 20:00:53 <Dougie187> at a time tbd
May 06 20:00:56 <michaelnovakjr__> where do they acknowledge the crap they put out there?
May 06 20:00:58 <Dougie187> it will fix all the issues
May 06 20:01:07 <michaelnovakjr__> hahahaha
May 06 20:01:09 <Dougie187> heh
May 06 20:01:53 <Dougie187> it will be called. Windows Infinity
May 06 20:02:20 <f00f-> Windows Ad Nauseum
May 06 20:02:21 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 20:02:32 <Lede> http://gizmodo.com/342920/holy-crap-did-bill-gates-just-say-windows-sucks
May 06 20:02:36 <michaelnovakjr__> No more windows!
May 06 20:02:52 <Dougie187> i wonder if google as a company hates microsoft
May 06 20:03:04 <f00f-> they probably lub em to death
May 06 20:03:23 <Dougie187> Hahaha
May 06 20:03:25 <jasta> yeah, probably.
May 06 20:03:26 <Dougie187> that was funny
May 06 20:03:29 <Lede> Dougie187: that would be stupid
May 06 20:03:37 <Dougie187> why?
May 06 20:03:49 <Lede> why would you "hate" a company?
May 06 20:03:59 <Dougie187> ...
May 06 20:04:04 <Dougie187> because you hate them?
May 06 20:04:07 <Lede> instead of focusing your energy on your products
May 06 20:04:22 <Dougie187> you cant focus all of your energy on that.
May 06 20:04:27 <Dougie187> there some for entertainment
May 06 20:04:30 <Dougie187> and women
May 06 20:04:33 <Dougie187> and then hating
May 06 20:04:47 <benley> focusing your energy on a particular competitor seems like a bad idea to me
May 06 20:04:59 <Dougie187> they arnt focusing all their energy.
May 06 20:05:02 <Dougie187> no energy actually
May 06 20:05:05 <Dougie187> i just wonder if they hate them
May 06 20:12:20 <jasta> Dougie187: i am certain they do not.
May 06 20:12:26 <Dougie187> ok
May 06 20:12:31 <Dougie187> thank you for answering my question jasta
May 06 20:12:34 <jasta> think about it: microsoft's failure is google's opportunity.
May 06 20:12:36 <Dougie187> you are a saint among men
May 06 20:13:03 <jasta> huh?>
May 06 20:15:46 <Dougie187> i was just saying thank you
May 06 20:15:59 <Dougie187> thats all
May 06 20:16:50 <michaelnovakjr__> in a very interesting way ;)
May 06 20:17:01 <Dougie187> im interesting. what can i say?
May 06 20:17:07 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 20:21:18 <Dougie187> arnt you interesting too?
May 06 20:23:08 <convivial> can I indicate that I am learning Android on resume?
May 06 20:23:30 <michaelnovakjr__> of course you can, but no one has a clue what it is yet
May 06 20:23:56 <michaelnovakjr__> if anything supply more specific android experience
May 06 20:24:07 <michaelnovakjr__> not just 'learning android'
May 06 20:25:45 <vol_> Hell, put down "j2se"
May 06 20:25:48 <vol_> it's close enough
May 06 20:26:28 <convivial> hiring managers and recruiters are too stupid to know that... you know that!
May 06 20:26:46 <Dougie187> lol and you think they will know android?
May 06 20:26:50 <michaelnovakjr__> they certainly won't know what android is
May 06 20:26:59 <vol_> yeah
May 06 20:27:02 <Dougie187> if you just say "Skills and Qualifications: i know android"
May 06 20:27:06 <vol_> they go with keywords
May 06 20:27:09 <vol_> hell
May 06 20:27:14 <vol_> half the time they don't even read the resume
May 06 20:27:18 <vol_> they just scan it for key words
May 06 20:27:32 <vol_> when I put myself on the job market a few months ago
May 06 20:27:41 <Dougie187> also what benefit is android going to give you on a resume?
May 06 20:27:42 <vol_> I got an amazing number of recruiters who wanted me for things I was in no way suitable for
May 06 20:27:50 <michaelnovakjr__> my resume is what gets me through the door :)
May 06 20:27:51 <vol_> simply because I had "java" there
May 06 20:29:05 <Dougie187> i would think j2se would help more then just "android"
May 06 20:29:08 <jasta> i do not do well in interviews ;)
May 06 20:29:25 <michaelnovakjr__> interviews are my strong point
May 06 20:29:28 <Dougie187> me too
May 06 20:29:29 <jasta> i'm amazed i have as high a hit rate as i do going from interview to hire.
May 06 20:29:40 <jasta> long term job performance is my strong point :)
May 06 20:29:49 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:29:59 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, that too
May 06 20:30:11 <Dougie187> hopefully i wont need a resume anymore soon
May 06 20:30:15 <Dougie187> just a good ole
May 06 20:30:17 <Dougie187> CV
May 06 20:30:34 <jasta> i just find the interview process uncomfortable, and a strange setting.
May 06 20:30:54 <Dougie187> you just have to learn how to lie
May 06 20:30:54 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:30:58 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 20:31:08 <michaelnovakjr__> well, Dougie187 be able to do it very well too
May 06 20:31:10 <jasta> and the questions that are asked seem to come out of left field to me.  i guess i just dont anticipate well.
May 06 20:31:10 <Dougie187> and figure out the answer best suited for the job soon
May 06 20:31:31 <Dougie187> i am able to do it
May 06 20:31:32 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:31:38 <Dougie187> i can lie in an interview out my ass
May 06 20:31:41 <Dougie187> and make up answers
May 06 20:31:42 <jasta> the technical meat is usually fine, but everything else, oh boy
May 06 20:31:51 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:32:18 <jasta> but at times even the technical part is hard for me because they have just phrased the question very strangely or i have a hard time understanding what they really want me to demonstrate
May 06 20:32:21 <Dougie187> so you sit there hyperventalating and pushing your glasses up your nose trying to adjust your pocket protector so it doesnt look stupid and you cant focus on the questions?
May 06 20:32:34 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 20:32:42 <jasta> Dougie187: well, obviously not literally but yes kind of.
May 06 20:32:48 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:32:51 <jasta> i almost stop listening
May 06 20:32:55 <jasta> not on purpose
May 06 20:32:57 <jasta> it really sucks :)
May 06 20:33:02 <Dougie187> but because you get distracted
May 06 20:33:02 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:34:05 <Dougie187> just use google as your answer
May 06 20:34:12 <Dougie187> say i dont know but i would google it
May 06 20:34:17 <Dougie187> i think they like that answer
May 06 20:34:17 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 06 20:34:49 <Dougie187> always refer to the internet in plural too
May 06 20:35:07 <Dougie187> "i dont know for sure but the internets have to have the answer"
May 06 20:35:31 <jasta> i once was asked the fizzbuzz question
May 06 20:35:38 <Dougie187> fizzbuzz?
May 06 20:35:41 <jasta> and i guess i way overengineered it
May 06 20:36:52 <jasta> taking special care to point out that, in this particular case, his question was invalid because it required strcpy to be used on overlapping segments
May 06 20:37:05 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:37:16 <Dougie187> i can see how you fail interviews
May 06 20:38:08 <jasta> i mean, i get it, i don't overengineer real coding projects.  but i just get all nervous that the interview question has some bizarre nuance and i search every corner of the question very thoroughly
May 06 20:38:21 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:38:34 <Dougie187> if i was famous i would go apply at like burger king or something
May 06 20:38:36 <Dougie187> and if i got a job there
May 06 20:38:44 <Dougie187> i would be the biggest moron who worked there
May 06 20:38:50 <Dougie187> like i would mess up everyones food
May 06 20:38:57 <Dougie187> and make a mess in the kitchen
May 06 20:39:12 <Dougie187> make sure my belly button was showing all the time
May 06 20:39:15 <jasta> if you were famous you'd be a jack ass?
May 06 20:39:17 <convivial> http://home.comcast.net/~erica.ramsey/CV
May 06 20:39:22 <Dougie187> in burger king
May 06 20:39:24 <Dougie187> not everywhere
May 06 20:39:33 <Dougie187> whos that?
May 06 20:39:43 <jasta> convivial: what is this?
May 06 20:40:18 <Dougie187> do any of you use gsoap?
May 06 20:40:21 <Dougie187> i see ksoap on there
May 06 20:40:25 <Dougie187> so i just thought i would ask
May 06 20:42:42 <Dougie187> Theres a typo
May 06 20:42:45 <Dougie187> at least i think its a typo
May 06 20:44:19 <Dougie187> convivial: if this is your Resume/CV there is a typo under the united airlines section on the last bullet. You say "Developed PERL application to extra" and i think you mean extract.
May 06 20:45:13 <jasta> that resume is not well organized.  it's hard to read.
May 06 20:45:39 <jasta> also, it is not very targeted.  it's very verbose.
May 06 20:45:51 <Dougie187> true dat
May 06 20:45:58 <Dougie187> make everything more brief
May 06 20:46:00 <jasta> like, who cares that you (?) know the android interface description language.
May 06 20:46:31 <jasta> also, i smell bullshit from a mile away on your "C" line :)
May 06 20:47:41 <jasta> if you truly mean ANSI ISO C and K&R interchangably, then you're a crazy fool.  Also, if you want to be so specific, why not mention whether you code against C89 or C99?
May 06 20:48:14 <michaelnovakjr__> also what is Custom Widget Development?
May 06 20:48:15 <jasta> and what the hell does "UI API" mean?
May 06 20:48:21 <jasta> Which UI?
May 06 20:48:29 <michaelnovakjr__> dashboard widgets, qt widgets, gtk widgets?
May 06 20:48:35 <Dougie187> i was just going to say that
May 06 20:48:42 <michaelnovakjr__> your own type of widget framework?
May 06 20:48:57 <jasta> and threads aren't a mobile or embedded API.  when you dissect this, you quickly realize that this is gibberish.
May 06 20:49:02 <f00f-> lol
May 06 20:49:06 <f00f-> jasta is rippin it
May 06 20:49:13 <Dougie187> thats what he does
May 06 20:49:17 <Dougie187> he already lost his balls.
May 06 20:49:21 <Dougie187> so nothing else left to lose
May 06 20:49:22 <f00f-> loo
May 06 20:49:32 <Dougie187> cept the adc
May 06 20:49:33 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 20:49:37 <jasta> i'm legitimately trying to help.
May 06 20:49:37 <michaelnovakjr__> it'll help in the end when its a cleaner resume!
May 06 20:49:41 <f00f-> well it does say CV in the URL, as opposed to resume
May 06 20:49:42 <Dougie187> i know
May 06 20:49:44 <Dougie187> im just messing around
May 06 20:49:56 <Dougie187> well she said resume earlier though
May 06 20:50:00 <Dougie187> but it does say CV
May 06 20:50:11 <Dougie187> CV can be a bit more detailed, but she should still make it easier to read
May 06 20:50:15 <f00f-> yeah
May 06 20:50:22 <Dougie187> it would take someone an hour to paw through this
May 06 20:50:23 <jasta> even as a CV, it's organized all wrong, and the meat has just been thrown in without any consideration.
May 06 20:50:27 <Dougie187> and figure out the skills
May 06 20:50:51 <convivial> mariah carey is getting too old to be trying to act like a sex symbol now
May 06 20:50:53 <convivial> geez
May 06 20:51:00 <f00f-> i'd like to work at an airline
May 06 20:51:01 <jasta> it's overly verbose in some places, and inappropriately vague elsewhere.  makes no sense :)
May 06 20:51:01 <convivial> why can't there just be normal musicians
May 06 20:51:19 <convivial> why does everyone have to be full of shit
May 06 20:51:21 <f00f-> convivial: thereare in the non-RIAA, non-Hollywood world
May 06 20:51:54 <jasta> the lions share of music is not like the small glimpse you see on television and magazines.
May 06 20:52:06 <jasta> even though the RIAA still controls all the rest of it too :)
May 06 20:52:26 <Dougie187> ill bbl.
May 06 20:52:29 <Dougie187> i have to start dinner for my wife
May 06 20:52:31 <convivial> use tobe ppl had talent did their job went home live their life and that was it
May 06 20:52:35 <convivial> now all this bullshit
May 06 20:52:55 <convivial> of course, those days were before my time but I read about them in history books
May 06 20:52:58 <Dougie187> (ps. i think its been that way for a little while)
May 06 20:53:01 <f00f-> i suppose we need to sack the RIAA, ASCAP & friends
May 06 20:53:32 <Dougie187> bbl
May 06 20:53:42 <jasta> convivial: this argument is as well structured as the CV you pointed us to, btw.
May 06 20:53:54 <jasta> i am growing concerned that it is, in fact, your CV :)
May 06 20:55:01 <f00f-> CSI .NET Developer
May 06 20:55:07 <f00f-> so you're the one who does those fancy computer GUI's on CSI: Miami
May 06 20:55:44 <jasta> lol, "Brainbench C++ Programmer"
May 06 20:55:46 <jasta> are you serious!?
May 06 20:55:51 * jasta falls out of his chair laughing
May 06 20:56:32 <michaelnovakjr__> yea what is CSI .NET?
May 06 21:01:58 <davidw> looks like my wife wins over the ADC:-)
May 06 21:51:55 <Dougie187> and i have returned
May 06 22:47:14 <jerkface03> morrildl_: so whats the master plan? tommorow's the day?
May 06 22:50:35 <Dougie187> you scared him away
May 06 22:59:40 <jasta> jerkface03: i wouldn't count on it.
May 06 23:02:16 <jerkface03> bastard.
May 06 23:02:36 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 23:03:12 <jasta> there are a lot of folks claiming that their server is once again being hit
May 06 23:03:17 <jasta> mine is not :(
May 06 23:03:30 <jasta> i haven't gotten a hit since they narrowed down the top 100
May 06 23:04:19 <Dougie187> jasta
May 06 23:04:23 <Dougie187> chill
May 06 23:04:28 <Dougie187> go write another app
May 06 23:04:34 <Dougie187> or go make starcraft work under wine
May 06 23:05:22 <duey> hi
May 06 23:05:26 <jerkface03> starcraft
May 06 23:05:32 <jerkface03> are you korean?
May 06 23:05:42 <duey> <3 starcraft
May 06 23:05:50 <duey> pitty its only 600x400 res
May 06 23:05:52 <jerkface03> death2fingerclickingcontests
May 06 23:06:17 <jasta> Dougie187: starcraft already works under wine
May 06 23:06:48 <jasta> Dougie187: meh, the whole thing has me a bit disenchanted.  i don't care if i don't win.
May 06 23:07:14 <duey> jasta, if you dont win just port it to iphone
May 06 23:07:33 <duey> :p
May 06 23:07:36 <jerkface03> jasta: i'm sure if you don't win they'll put you on suicide watch
May 06 23:07:43 <Dougie187> Jasta
May 06 23:07:49 <Dougie187> fix the bnet bug with starcraft in wine
May 06 23:07:52 <jasta> really, i'm fine with it.
May 06 23:08:02 <Dougie187> ill show you
May 06 23:08:03 <Dougie187> one sec
May 06 23:08:16 <jasta> Dougie187: try Cedega.
May 06 23:08:23 <Dougie187> it doesnt work.
May 06 23:08:27 <Dougie187> plus it isnt free
May 06 23:08:35 <jasta> dude, i used to play StarCraft all the time under wine
May 06 23:08:35 <Dougie187> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2467
May 06 23:08:41 <Dougie187> yeah starcraft works
May 06 23:08:42 <Dougie187> but not bnet
May 06 23:09:03 <Dougie187> (bnet only for sc, it works for d2 just fine and i think wc3)
May 06 23:09:15 <jerkface03> maybe it doesn't show in the menus correctly because YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
May 06 23:09:20 <jasta> well i don't care, nobody plays that game anymore
May 06 23:09:24 <Dougie187> thanks jerk
May 06 23:09:25 <jerkface03> except koreans
May 06 23:09:34 <jasta> also, SC2 is going to be out soon
May 06 23:12:40 <Dougie187> koreans are not the only ones who play SC
May 06 23:12:45 <Dougie187> and you are right about sc2 coming out soon.
May 06 23:12:56 <Dougie187> hopefully it will fully support linux
May 06 23:13:02 <jerkface03> it won't
May 06 23:13:10 <Dougie187> i said hopefully ass
May 06 23:13:15 <jerkface03> don't be hatin'
May 06 23:13:32 <Dougie187> Too late
May 06 23:13:32 <Dougie187> lol
May 06 23:14:03 <jerkface03> i need to find an 'industry sponser' to do this 18credit practicuum
May 06 23:14:25 <jerkface03> trying to figure out who i should try contacting
May 06 23:14:48 <jerkface03> Dougie187: do you want to sponser me?
May 06 23:15:17 <jasta> Dougie187: he's right though, it will definitely not support Linux
May 06 23:15:43 <jasta> it will be popular, and so the transgaming folks will surely get it working with wine, but as always it'll be slow and buggy :)
May 06 23:16:32 <Dougie187> why wouldnt they make it work with linux though
May 06 23:16:48 <Dougie187> it will be supported under mac, and i wouldnt think it would be too difficult to port it if you had the source code
May 06 23:16:55 <Dougie187> and jerkface03 no
May 06 23:18:03 <jasta> why would they?  it's a significant development effort and Blizzard is not interested.
May 06 23:18:21 <Dougie187> is it really that significant if they already have it running on a mac?
May 06 23:18:43 <jasta> Presumably, yes.  They probably have no one on staff that is even familiar with Linux development.
May 06 23:19:03 <jasta> they've never ported any of their games, and unless otherwise stated, they will not port this one.
May 06 23:19:10 <jasta> don't be so foolish
May 06 23:19:16 <Dougie187> i know they havent ported any of their games
May 06 23:19:23 <Dougie187> but linux is getting to be more and more popular
May 06 23:19:32 <Dougie187> especially with ubuntu being sold on mainstream computers
May 06 23:19:40 <Dougie187> so they have an added market they could appeal to
May 06 23:19:44 <Dougie187> granted its a small one
May 06 23:19:59 <jasta> they currently have not announced a port, and actually, based on Blizzard's history, I would find it extremely unlikely that they have a change of heart.
May 06 23:20:04 <Dougie187> but given how long sc1 lasted they might invest that time to make this game suitable for all of the distros
May 06 23:20:24 <jasta> Blizzard is actually a very narrowly managed company.  Not progressive at all.
May 06 23:20:49 <Dougie187> i know some people a while ago made a petition for it
May 06 23:20:52 <jasta> Dougie187: if you think there is a decent chance they will port it to Linux then you are a fool ;)
May 06 23:20:54 <Dougie187> but i dont know what happened with it
May 06 23:21:02 <jasta> they ignored it, obviously.
May 06 23:21:05 <Dougie187> i didnt even say that i thought there was a chance
May 06 23:21:08 <Dougie187> i said hopefully
May 06 23:21:15 <Dougie187> I hope they port it
May 06 23:21:22 <jasta> why would you hope for something that you thought was not possible?
May 06 23:21:32 <Dougie187> i think it is possible. but i hope they do it
May 06 23:21:38 <Dougie187> actually
May 06 23:21:40 <Dougie187> i know its possible.
May 06 23:21:47 <Dougie187> its just a matter of if they do it or not
May 06 23:21:51 <jasta> well, yeah, that was a poor word choiec
May 06 23:21:54 <Dougie187> you know its possibl too
May 06 23:21:56 <Dougie187> possible
May 06 23:22:11 <Dougie187> you mean probable
May 06 23:22:36 <jasta> But it would be an incredible surprise to hear them say they will make a port.
May 06 23:22:42 <jasta> Again, especially considering Blizzard's history.
May 06 23:22:44 <Dougie187> Lol you hope to win the ADC but you dont think its probable that you won.
May 06 23:22:59 <jasta> Actually up until recently I did think it was probable I would win :)
May 06 23:22:59 <Dougie187> well im not really basing my hope on blizzards history.
May 06 23:23:03 <Dougie187> heh
May 06 23:23:07 <Dougie187> btw i dont know if you heard.
May 06 23:23:10 <jasta> When I came up with my idea nad started working on it, I definitely did think it was probable.
May 06 23:23:18 <Dougie187> but earlier dan said that your app would go on his android device
May 06 23:23:20 <Dougie187> even if you lose
May 06 23:23:37 <jasta> really?  that's very flattering
May 06 23:23:46 <Dougie187> he said that about muthu's cooking app too though
May 06 23:23:52 <Dougie187> but those where the two
May 06 23:24:02 <Dougie187> he was saying it to muthu because he was saying he thought he lose
May 06 23:24:05 <Dougie187> lost*
May 06 23:24:19 <jasta> dan thought muthu lost, you mean?
May 06 23:24:32 <Dougie187> no muthu thought muthu lost
May 06 23:24:37 <jasta> oh, that makes more sense.
May 06 23:24:40 <Dougie187> and dan was comforting him
May 06 23:24:48 <Dougie187> they had a nice cuddle
May 06 23:25:02 <jasta> actually, i have had a lot of positive reaction from folks i have told about my app
May 06 23:25:22 <jasta> i won't be too sad to lose, though, i just hope that i don't lose out to a bunch of stupid apps
May 06 23:25:43 <Dougie187> yeah
May 06 23:25:46 <Dougie187> like facebook and myspace
May 06 23:26:58 <lummie> Do you think core (non gps / site integration /mashup apps) will have a chance ?
May 06 23:27:17 <lummie> I mean there's no mail client, file browser, etc.
May 06 23:27:30 <jasta> lummie: there's no released mail client, file browser, etc.
May 06 23:27:42 <jasta> you'd be insane to assume google is not going to integrate with the majority of their online services.
May 06 23:27:45 <lummie> all the basics....of a phone aren't there, do you think the will be in the top 50
May 06 23:27:51 <jasta> Gmail, google calendar, picasaweb, etc.
May 06 23:28:04 <jasta> i think that some basic apps will make it, yeah
May 06 23:28:20 <jasta> i consider mine to be one of the basic apps, actually
May 06 23:28:48 <lummie> was that the media browser thingy :p
May 06 23:34:50 <Dougie187> I think the reason google did the ADC was to get basic apps done for them
May 06 23:38:01 <jasta> i dont think thats true either
May 06 23:38:06 <duey> lets see if it turns out to be a fasion contest
May 06 23:38:20 <jasta> well, my app is pretty sexy ;)
May 06 23:38:26 <duey> yer :LD
May 06 23:38:32 <jasta> i definitely spent time making it look nice
May 06 23:39:21 <romainguy_> you ripped off the iPod touch's design :p
May 06 23:40:29 <duey> no problem with that!
May 06 23:42:37 <jasta> yeah, i did, but that took time ;)
May 06 23:42:50 <jasta> i do intend to change my UI some moving forward, though
May 06 23:42:55 <jasta> i don't want it to be quite so blatant ;)
May 06 23:43:18 <jasta> i'm just not that creative, so it's hard.  cut me some slack
May 06 23:43:30 <romainguy_> no way :)
May 06 23:43:43 <jasta> well do you have any ideas?
May 06 23:43:47 <jasta> i'd love to hear them
May 06 23:44:25 <romainguy_> I would certainly help if I wasn't so busy doing my job already :)
May 06 23:44:43 <jasta> you don't even have a thought to throw out? :)
May 06 23:45:07 <duey> jasta, copy the iphone instead!
May 06 23:45:12 <jasta> brilliant
May 06 23:45:16 <duey> ;)
May 06 23:45:35 <jasta> i do have some thoughts to make the alphabet bar way better, too ;)
May 06 23:45:40 <jasta> i just didnt have time
May 06 23:46:20 <jasta> i might even just make a nice search interface and get away from the alphabet bar thing completely
May 06 23:46:30 <jasta> though i wanted to wait and see if we get blessed with a soft keyboard
May 06 23:47:05 <duey> well if it helps, i generally use random, but if im looking for something i enter the keys in itunes (not search)
May 06 23:47:15 <duey> so if im looking for radiohead i type ra
May 06 23:47:16 <jasta> enter the keys?
May 06 23:47:22 <jasta> thats what i meant by search
May 06 23:47:26 <jasta> like a quick-filter
May 06 23:47:26 <duey> ah ok
May 06 23:47:30 <duey> quick jump
May 06 23:47:38 <duey> is what i would call it
May 06 23:47:42 <romainguy_> we have a filtering API on ListView
May 06 23:47:42 <jasta> sure
May 06 23:47:53 <jasta> romainguy_: yeah, and i'd like to support it eventually :)
May 06 23:48:48 <jasta> anyway, i'm still not feeling right today, so i'm going home to sleep hehe
May 06 23:51:10 <Dougie187> see ya
May 06 23:51:29 <duey> 80.5% accuracy on my image classification algo!!!!
May 06 23:51:32 <duey> :D
May 06 23:55:41 <jjt001> jasta: any server hits?
May 06 23:55:55 <jjt001> some dudes have been reporting them on android-challenge group
May 06 23:56:07 <jjt001> anyone here got any hits within the last two day?
May 07 00:01:14 <jerkface03> what exactly are you classifying/
May 07 00:03:40 <jjt001> jerkface03: huh"/
May 07 00:03:49 <jjt001> jerkface03: you have a server rrunning>?
May 07 00:03:59 <jerkface03> I was talking to duey
May 07 00:04:05 <jjt001> ok
May 07 00:04:08 <jjt001> sorry
May 07 00:04:08 <jerkface03> and now i don't
May 07 00:04:11 <jerkface03> no*
May 07 00:04:25 <duey> jerkface03, if an image contains a person or not
May 07 00:04:33 <jjt001> duey: your server have hits?
May 07 00:04:38 <Dougie187> what algo are you using?
May 07 00:04:38 <duey> not recently
May 07 00:04:44 <jjt001> when was your last?
May 07 00:04:45 <jerkface03> orly?
May 07 00:04:47 <duey> local binary patterns and grayscale histograms
May 07 00:04:54 <jerkface03> what if the person was actually a manokin?
May 07 00:05:00 <duey> april 28?
May 07 00:05:15 <jjt001> yep, same here
May 07 00:05:17 <jjt001> intersting
May 07 00:05:25 <jjt001> some dudes were reporting hits on android-channel
May 07 00:05:29 <jjt001> but it was only one or two guys
May 07 00:05:45 <jerkface03> 80% isn't that great you know, if you had a gun turret using your algorithm, 20% of the time the turret wouldn't fire on anyone!
May 07 00:05:56 <duey> jerkface03, yeah i know
May 07 00:05:59 <duey> but its great for me
May 07 00:06:03 <duey> considering its just an assignment
May 07 00:06:10 <jjt001> warbaby: yeo
May 07 00:06:11 <jerkface03> sounds hot tho
May 07 00:06:12 <jerkface03> send me the code
May 07 00:06:33 <duey> running the experiment for scene classifcation
May 07 00:06:37 <duey> 15 different scenes
May 07 00:06:48 <duey> mountains, buildings etc
May 07 00:06:55 <duey> got 77% last time
May 07 00:07:00 <duey> hope i get 80+ :d
May 07 00:10:41 <Dougie187> What kinda algo are you using duey?
May 07 00:10:44 <Dougie187> PCA LDA?
May 07 00:11:04 <duey> for the machine learning part im using SMO (small vector machine)
May 07 00:11:11 <duey> and also random forests
May 07 00:11:19 <Dougie187> oh ok
May 07 00:11:46 <Dougie187> you should look into pca lda stuff
May 07 00:11:48 <Dougie187> it works pretty well
May 07 00:11:55 <Dougie187> Lots of linear algebra though
May 07 00:12:02 <Dougie187> i take it your in college?
May 07 00:12:06 <duey> yeah
May 07 00:12:06 <Dougie187> for machine learning..
May 07 00:12:08 <duey> but im using weka
May 07 00:12:08 <Dougie187> undergrad?
May 07 00:12:21 <Dougie187> you can use matlab too
May 07 00:12:30 <duey> well i come from the uni that creates weka
May 07 00:12:34 <duey> so that would be a bad move :)
May 07 00:12:37 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 00:12:56 <Dougie187> there is a group in my dept here that uses weka as well
May 07 00:13:12 <duey> yeah im in the ml group here
May 07 00:13:19 <Dougie187> my for my applied computational science lab we had to do a PCA LDA lab on face detection
May 07 00:13:46 <duey> i think most people use haar features for face detection
May 07 00:13:55 <Dougie187> i just know about the lab
May 07 00:14:03 <Dougie187> otherwise i dont know a whole lot about face detection
May 07 00:14:06 <duey> ah ok
May 07 00:14:08 <Dougie187> or image classification
May 07 00:14:40 <duey> well right now i wish i had 100 machines to run this stupid thing on because it takes 30 minutes to run on mine :(
May 07 00:17:34 <Dougie187> heh
May 07 00:17:37 <Dougie187> it happens
May 07 00:17:51 <duey> 78.8%
May 07 00:17:52 <duey> ah well
May 07 00:17:55 <duey> thats pretty decent
May 07 00:27:14 <jasta> has anyone noticed that the iphone sdk has been getting more updates than android's?
May 07 00:27:18 <jasta> that seems kind of wrong :)
May 07 00:27:51 <donomo> ha
May 07 00:28:22 * donomo is hoping the htc touch diamond secretly has an android port
May 07 00:52:54 <jasta> donomo: it is really sexy, isn't it? :)
May 07 01:00:20 <dmoffett> the iPhone sdk update breaks my app each time.
May 07 01:00:50 <dmoffett> and to play back audio is pretty crazy on the iPhone.
May 07 01:01:02 <dmoffett> Much better on Android.
May 07 01:02:19 <f00f-> android sdk updates also break apps, so not much worse
May 07 01:02:27 <jasta> really, because the MediaPlayer is totally fucking broken in Android
May 07 01:18:40 <dmoffett> Really
May 07 01:19:03 <dmoffett> I had to jump through some hoops but I was able to mix sounds a play back audio.
May 07 01:19:25 <dmoffett> I have been coding for a day on iPhone sdk and still have not finsihed.
May 07 01:20:04 <dmoffett> No idea on video though.
May 07 01:20:59 <jjt001> dmoffett: your server have any hits/
May 07 01:21:09 <dmoffett> No
May 07 01:21:18 <jjt001> dmoffett: you have a server?
May 07 01:21:22 <dmoffett> yes
May 07 01:21:26 <jjt001> no hits at all?
May 07 01:21:42 <dmoffett> We did in the first round of course.
May 07 01:21:48 <jjt001> oh, ok
May 07 01:21:52 <jjt001> what's your app?
May 07 01:22:05 <dmoffett> a player for VizzVox.com
May 07 01:22:42 <dmoffett> Once the results are announced we plan to release the apk for other to use in their apps.
May 07 01:23:14 <dmoffett> We did not expect to win really.
May 07 01:23:27 <dmoffett> the app itself does not really have a wide appeal.
May 07 01:24:16 <dmoffett> We only started work in Feb.
May 07 01:24:50 <jjt001> ok
May 07 01:27:01 <dmoffett> One thing that helped with mediaplayer was a reset with each new sound to be played.
May 07 01:27:54 <dmoffett> There was still an occasional pop but I think the pop came when something took time away from the emulator on OSX.
May 07 01:29:02 <dmoffett> Considering the Android app was downloading media from the net while playing a sound track and voice over we were happy with the results.
May 07 01:29:20 <dmoffett> Mixing audio on iPhone seems to be quite a challenge for now.
May 07 01:33:38 <dmoffett> Just in case you are interested:
May 07 01:33:40 <dmoffett>                                        if(player == null){
May 07 01:33:40 <dmoffett>                                                 player = new MediaPlayer();
May 07 01:33:40 <dmoffett>                                                 player.setOnCompletionListener(storyPlayer);
May 07 01:33:41 <dmoffett>                                                 player.setOnPreparedListener(this);
May 07 01:33:41 <dmoffett>                                                 player.setOnErrorListener(storyPlayer);
May 07 01:33:41 <dmoffett>                                         } else
May 07 01:33:43 <dmoffett>                                                 player.reset();
May 07 01:33:45 <dmoffett>                                         player.setDataSource(fileName);
May 07 01:33:47 <dmoffett>                                         if(playerStartIndex != 0){
May 07 01:33:49 <dmoffett>                                                 player.seekTo(playerStartIndex);
May 07 01:33:51 <dmoffett>                                                 playerStartIndex = 0;
May 07 01:33:53 <dmoffett>                                         }
May 07 01:33:55 <dmoffett>                                         player.prepareAsync();
May 07 01:33:57 <dmoffett> that code seemed to do well for playing audio back.
May 07 01:51:30 <jjt001> so my understanding is nobody on this channel has received a hit in the last two days?
May 07 01:51:50 <dmoffett> correct for me.
May 07 01:52:21 <jjt001> i think jasta may have, but he hasn't told me
May 07 01:52:24 <jjt001> jasta: you here?
May 07 02:16:32 <michaelnovakjr> jjt001: hits mean absolutely nothing
May 07 02:16:55 <michaelnovakjr> dan confirmed this himself.... you don't need to have your server hit to be considered for the top slots
May 07 02:18:05 <jjt001> michaelnovakjr: i actually don't find that entirely true
May 07 02:18:41 <jjt001> this top 100 judging is supposed to be pretty intense, and i can't imagine a top 50 app being so quickly looked at that its server is not even hit
May 07 02:18:48 <jjt001> that just doesn't make sense to me
May 07 02:19:44 <michaelnovakjr> if the judge likes the idea of the app they may not need to hit your server to test it
May 07 02:19:49 <michaelnovakjr> certainly that is the case for my app
May 07 02:20:21 <michaelnovakjr> mine was hit and tested but that doesn't mean anything
May 07 02:20:52 <michaelnovakjr> jjt001: that is not my understanding.... that is exactly what was said
May 07 02:21:10 <jjt001> michaelnovakjr: was yours hit within the last two days/
May 07 02:21:21 <michaelnovakjr> no
May 07 02:21:33 <jjt001> yeah, i guess you could be right
May 07 02:21:57 <jjt001> but think what a great idea an app has to based around to have judges completely trust its UI, server, etc.
May 07 02:22:05 <michaelnovakjr> http://www.helloandroid.com/node/532
May 07 02:22:08 <michaelnovakjr> that is the statement
May 07 02:22:13 <jjt001> remember, performance is also a large part of the criteria
May 07 02:22:28 <jjt001> yeah, i've seen it
May 07 02:22:37 <michaelnovakjr> so what's confusing about it
May 07 02:22:49 <jjt001> i guess that's applicable for some apps that "did well"
May 07 02:22:56 <michaelnovakjr> he stated that some of those crying about no server hits scored well
May 07 02:22:56 <jjt001> but not necessarily for the top 50
May 07 02:23:13 <jjt001> "did well" does not necessarily (and probably doesn't) equal top 50
May 07 02:23:16 <michaelnovakjr> Judges are just as likely to say "this is cool, I don't need to see any more" as they are to say "this is so uncool, I don't need to see any more."
May 07 02:23:37 <jjt001> i guess
May 07 02:23:41 <michaelnovakjr> they are pretty much telling you tailing your logs doesn't actually give you an idea
May 07 02:23:51 <michaelnovakjr> just that you are being looked at
May 07 02:23:54 <jjt001> well, i'll just hope and pray then
May 07 02:24:00 <jjt001> no, but one thing is for sure
May 07 02:24:02 <michaelnovakjr> that is really all we can do
May 07 02:24:10 <jjt001> people getting hits right now are definitely in the top 100
May 07 02:24:19 <jjt001> at least people who haven't distributed their apks
May 07 02:24:35 <michaelnovakjr> sure, but that doesn't mean that there are 100 people seeing server hits
May 07 02:24:45 <jjt001> clearly some apps don't have servers
May 07 02:25:02 <michaelnovakjr> i would see those as possible tie breakers or maybe apps that need further testing
May 07 02:25:19 <jjt001> hmm...you're probably right
May 07 02:25:19 <michaelnovakjr> when they decided the top 100 i'm sure some were decided already :)
May 07 02:25:39 <jjt001> actually, i think all the phase 1 scores were discarded
May 07 02:25:41 <jjt001> according to dan
May 07 02:25:42 <michaelnovakjr> there's probably apps out there that are just that good that testing was a waste of the judges time
May 07 02:25:51 <jjt001> so all apps in top 100 were equal at start of phase2
May 07 02:26:08 <michaelnovakjr> equal to a point :) its not hard to spot a really kicking app
May 07 02:26:21 <jjt001> right, the idea isn't everything though
May 07 02:26:24 <michaelnovakjr> and if that's the case the judge might spend time on two apps that are really close
May 07 02:26:35 <jjt001> if i had a really crappy implementation of a great idea, would i win?
May 07 02:26:43 <michaelnovakjr> its possible
May 07 02:26:51 <michaelnovakjr> you could have submitted a proof of concept
May 07 02:27:03 <jjt001> was that acceptable?
May 07 02:27:08 <michaelnovakjr> which is a 'hey we can do it, its a great idea and we are developing it'
May 07 02:27:14 <jjt001> i thought you needed an app..
May 07 02:27:15 <michaelnovakjr> it was an option on the form
May 07 02:27:17 <jjt001> an actually apk
May 07 02:27:19 <michaelnovakjr> well, yes
May 07 02:27:28 <michaelnovakjr> an actual apk can be a proof of concept
May 07 02:27:37 <michaelnovakjr> proof is hard evidence it works
May 07 02:27:43 <jjt001> yeah, i see what you're saying
May 07 02:27:48 <michaelnovakjr> but might not be feature full or completely ready
May 07 02:27:57 <jjt001> that's the case for almost everyone
May 07 02:28:01 <michaelnovakjr> they basically showed the idea is real and they can do it
May 07 02:28:22 <michaelnovakjr> to a point, i saw some really involved apps
May 07 02:28:30 <jjt001> have you seen duo?
May 07 02:28:32 <michaelnovakjr> i know mine wasnt :)
May 07 02:28:34 <michaelnovakjr> nope
May 07 02:28:40 <jjt001> you should check it out
May 07 02:28:49 <jjt001> it's similar to enkin
May 07 02:28:55 <jjt001> in the fact that it has a lot of eye candy
May 07 02:28:59 <michaelnovakjr> i don't think enkin is real
May 07 02:29:01 <jjt001> but it's generating a lot of interest
May 07 02:29:10 <jjt001> there's a video of it though
May 07 02:29:14 <michaelnovakjr> its one of those.... i'll believe it when i see it
May 07 02:29:24 <michaelnovakjr> theres also a video of a zune with iphone software on it online
May 07 02:29:30 <jjt001> with really precise gps data, i think it's doable
May 07 02:29:33 <michaelnovakjr> and someone using it as a touch screen
May 07 02:29:48 <jjt001> lots of algorithms sure, but i think accuracy could be high (in camera mode i mean_
May 07 02:29:50 <michaelnovakjr> precise gps data..... how can you demo that in the emulator?
May 07 02:29:58 <jjt001> no in the video
May 07 02:30:05 <jjt001> the guy had an external chip
May 07 02:30:20 <michaelnovakjr> i think its doable, but is it scalable
May 07 02:30:34 <michaelnovakjr> some really great ideas hit a brick wall when you try to scale them up
May 07 02:30:36 <jjt001> hmm...but that's a side matter
May 07 02:30:47 <michaelnovakjr> depends on your app
May 07 02:30:58 <michaelnovakjr> my app needs to scale otherwise its not really all that useful
May 07 02:31:13 <jjt001> but if the judges grade on scalability, then they have to grade on UI qaulity, etc.
May 07 02:31:18 <jjt001> what we were talking about before
May 07 02:31:23 <jjt001> idea vs. implementation
May 07 02:31:46 <michaelnovakjr> true, which is the judges choice
May 07 02:32:00 <michaelnovakjr> there's no way to tell what each judge prefers
May 07 02:32:04 <jjt001> right
May 07 02:32:10 <michaelnovakjr> that is until the results come out :)
May 07 02:32:17 <jjt001> has jasta gotten any hits?
May 07 02:32:19 <jjt001> recently
May 07 02:32:23 <michaelnovakjr> hasn't said anything
May 07 02:32:28 <jjt001> then i guess not
May 07 02:32:32 <jjt001> or he's pretty modest
May 07 02:32:52 <michaelnovakjr> i doubt the latter
May 07 02:32:58 <jjt001> i agree
May 07 02:33:07 <jjt001> but his is pretty involved to test out
May 07 02:33:13 <jjt001> you have to sign up, etc.
May 07 02:33:16 <jjt001> i believe
May 07 02:33:24 <michaelnovakjr> my app would save lots of lives and be a help to the community as a whole.... doesn't mean i'll win :)
May 07 02:33:45 <michaelnovakjr> i am actually preparing for not winning
May 07 02:33:45 <jjt001> true
May 07 02:33:53 <jjt001> of course, everyone has to do that
May 07 02:33:58 <jjt001> you can't expect to win
May 07 02:34:01 <michaelnovakjr> exactly
May 07 02:34:22 <michaelnovakjr> i would love to release my features this week as a test program
May 07 02:34:29 <michaelnovakjr> only due to scaling issues with hardware
May 07 02:34:37 <jjt001> servers?
May 07 02:34:45 <michaelnovakjr> yea, need more :(
May 07 02:34:55 <jjt001> i'm using my home computer as a server
May 07 02:35:04 <michaelnovakjr> i have ibm servers running the show
May 07 02:35:09 <michaelnovakjr> but only a few
May 07 02:35:13 <jjt001> nice, you've invested a lot
May 07 02:35:17 <michaelnovakjr> indeed
May 07 02:35:18 <jjt001> alright g2g
May 07 02:35:22 <jjt001> nice talking to you
May 07 02:35:30 <michaelnovakjr> same here, good luck! stay sane!
May 07 02:35:35 <jjt001> you too
May 07 02:35:41 <michaelnovakjr> thanks
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