**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 07 02:59:56 2008
May 07 03:34:21 <jasta> lol, people on the android groups are idiots :)
May 07 03:36:46 <michaelnovakjr> yea
May 07 03:37:19 <jasta> i feel bad for morrildl for feeling obliged to respond :)
May 07 03:37:20 <michaelnovakjr> if their apps are like them we might be looking good :)
May 07 03:37:44 <jasta> i saw one app a while ago that really had me scratching my head
May 07 03:37:46 <michaelnovakjr> what's the stupid question of the hour now?
May 07 03:37:55 <jasta> it had a very elaborate UI, to the point that i was stunned.
May 07 03:38:04 <jasta> the amount of work involved must have been staggering
May 07 03:38:17 <jasta> and yet, the app itself made no sense.  it also was very hard to use.
May 07 03:38:29 <michaelnovakjr> i am excited! i have sms services up for weatherphone!
May 07 03:38:33 <jasta> like, it had you editing HTML fron an Android text widget.
May 07 03:38:42 <michaelnovakjr> huh?
May 07 03:38:43 <jasta> hang on let me find the link
May 07 03:38:56 <michaelnovakjr> wow, why would anyone want to type html on a phone?
May 07 03:39:09 <michaelnovakjr> i barely want to do it on a computer :)
May 07 03:39:21 <jasta> right, it was so strange
May 07 03:39:26 <jasta> because the app itself was *HUGE*
May 07 03:39:35 <jasta> i mean the guy clearly put a LOT of energy into it
May 07 03:39:44 <michaelnovakjr> damn
May 07 03:40:04 <jasta> but the UI was totally crazy.  he designed the whole thing like it was a mediocre web app
May 07 03:40:14 <jasta> im trying to remember the name
May 07 03:42:47 <jasta> you know i honestly dont remember enough about this app to find it
May 07 03:42:58 <michaelnovakjr> haha
May 07 03:43:18 <convivial> hi
May 07 03:43:45 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
May 07 03:45:29 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, the sms service i setup allows users to opt for txt messaging for low powered devices
May 07 03:46:40 <dmoffett> Do you have to use a commercial service to send sms?
May 07 03:47:14 <michaelnovakjr> no i run my own servers
May 07 03:47:32 <dmoffett> thank you.
May 07 03:47:42 <michaelnovakjr> i want to put it through extensive testing
May 07 03:47:56 <michaelnovakjr> my initial testing were excellent
May 07 03:48:00 <michaelnovakjr> was *
May 07 03:48:40 <dmoffett> So the server knows how to sms to each service provider?
May 07 03:48:57 <michaelnovakjr> yep
May 07 04:03:10 <michaelnovakjr> dmoffett: i am gearing up to release the test version of sms friday
May 07 04:03:29 <michaelnovakjr> the server system is in tact and running the services, just getting the website ready to register users
May 07 04:04:22 <dmoffett> If you are looking for testers I can spare some time at night and on the week ends.
May 07 04:04:47 <michaelnovakjr> well, as far as testers go, its going to be released and users can sign up to get warnings on their phones
May 07 04:05:11 <dmoffett> Cool
May 07 04:05:12 <michaelnovakjr> the server system has been load tested and tested for accuracy already
May 07 04:07:35 <Kraln> michaelnovakjr: cool
May 07 04:07:49 <michaelnovakjr> i'm excited for it
May 07 05:38:32 <warcaptain> hey
May 07 05:38:37 <jasta> hi
May 07 05:38:45 <warcaptain> so i have a question
May 07 05:38:53 <jasta> shoot
May 07 05:39:01 <warcaptain> i want to get a new cell phone.. i hate my old 5 year old verizon phone
May 07 05:39:09 <warcaptain> i want to switch to a GSM carrier.. i want a smartphone
May 07 05:39:18 <warcaptain> preferably the T-Mobile Wing
May 07 05:39:22 <jasta> you are in the wrong channel, buddy.
May 07 05:39:31 <warcaptain> no no wait
May 07 05:39:40 <warcaptain> i want to use an android phone though
May 07 05:39:45 <jasta> ok, but if you start trolling i'll just ignore you
May 07 05:39:52 <warcaptain> ... trolling?
May 07 05:39:56 <warcaptain> im just explaining my question
May 07 05:40:22 <muthu> warcaptain: android phone only in 2nd half of 2008
May 07 05:41:21 <warcaptain> but one is coming out?
May 07 05:41:28 <muthu> oh yeah
May 07 05:41:33 <jasta> many are, and you don't know anything about them.  and neither do we.
May 07 05:41:38 <jasta> that's why you're in the wrong channel.
May 07 05:41:47 <warcaptain> what channel should i be in then/
May 07 05:41:57 <jasta> go buy an iphone.
May 07 05:42:04 <muthu> oh oh wait
May 07 05:42:06 <muthu> don't do it
May 07 05:42:12 <muthu> buy an android phone, in fall
May 07 05:42:27 <warcaptain> i imagine itll be out on T-Mobile?
May 07 05:42:37 <muthu> vodafone?
May 07 05:43:04 <warcaptain> verizon?
May 07 05:43:27 <muthu> may be in US yes
May 07 05:43:38 <warcaptain> really?
May 07 05:43:43 <warcaptain> verizon isnt even a part of the OHA
May 07 05:43:50 <warcaptain> i wanted to leave verizon :(
May 07 05:44:10 <jasta> verizon will probably not release an android phone
May 07 05:44:21 <jasta> but we don't know, so again, you can't make this decision with information you have now.
May 07 05:44:25 <muthu> jasta: who's doing it in US?
May 07 05:44:33 <muthu> arghh.. i'm confused here
May 07 05:44:41 <muthu> sorry, yeah vodafone is bringing iphone
May 07 05:44:56 <warcaptain> verizon is going to get an iphone?
May 07 05:44:57 <warcaptain> i doubt it
May 07 05:45:05 <warcaptain> i imagine the other GSM places would get it first
May 07 05:45:08 <muthu> warcaptain: vodaphone for iphone
May 07 05:45:13 <muthu> in europe and asia
May 07 05:45:22 <warcaptain> oh sorry im talking about USA
May 07 05:45:37 <warcaptain> how is europe cell phones?
May 07 05:45:41 <warcaptain> as cheap and over priced as in USA?
May 07 05:46:25 <muthu> overpriced
May 07 05:46:26 <muthu> very
May 07 05:46:35 <muthu> in india atleast
May 07 05:46:58 <muthu> iphone $500 for 2G
May 07 05:47:16 <jasta> wait for the 3G version in june, then
May 07 05:47:36 <jasta> or buy some lame windows mobile phone.  that, at least, will give you an appreciation for android when it does come out ;)
May 07 05:47:37 <muthu> jasta: apple dumps the 2G in india
May 07 05:47:39 <muthu> so you can get your 3G
May 07 05:48:20 <jasta> but you're the only one involved in this conversation that lives in india, so why would that matter?
May 07 05:48:32 <muthu> true
May 07 05:50:43 <warcaptain> so wait until november?
May 07 05:50:51 <warcaptain> thats so far away.. will it be worth it?
May 07 05:51:02 <muthu> yes
May 07 05:51:04 <warcaptain> or should i just get a windows mobile phone now and wait 2 years for an awesome android phone to come out
May 07 05:51:12 <muthu> wait until fall
May 07 05:51:16 <muthu> it'll be worth it
May 07 05:51:20 <muthu> a lot
May 07 05:51:55 <jasta> when muthu says yes, do realize that he means "I THINK" yes.
May 07 05:52:03 <muthu> haha
May 07 05:52:15 <jasta> what information do you suppose we have that you do not?
May 07 05:52:32 <jasta> actually, it's a good idea to prefix "I THINK" to everything he says ;)
May 07 05:52:44 <muthu> jasta: i've repeatedly proven to you i am always right
May 07 05:52:54 <jasta> false
May 07 05:52:58 <muthu> true
May 07 05:53:43 <jasta> i do believe you in this particular case, of course
May 07 05:53:50 <muthu> thanks
May 07 05:53:57 <muthu> you've seen the light then ;)
May 07 05:54:03 <jasta> but it's still a good idea to occassionally remind the folks you're talking to that you are giving opinions, and not facts.
May 07 05:54:20 <jasta> well, why on earth would i waste my time developing for a platform that i personally thought was going to fail?
May 07 05:54:39 <muthu> yeah why would you do that?
May 07 05:54:42 <jasta> the point is, i made that decision based on all the same information warcaptain has, but he obviously arrived at a more skeptical and reserved conclusion.
May 07 05:54:55 <muthu> warcaptain: is more of an end user
May 07 05:54:59 <warcaptain> definitely
May 07 05:55:08 <muthu> he wants something in his hands now
May 07 05:55:12 <jasta> he seems more like a troll, actually
May 07 05:55:15 <warcaptain> -_-
May 07 05:55:18 <muthu> haha
May 07 05:55:40 <jasta> he approached us wanting our opinions installed into his brain, which is ridiculous.
May 07 05:55:49 <muthu> lol
May 07 05:55:56 <warcaptain> eh
May 07 05:55:58 <muthu> guess he wanted some suggestions
May 07 05:56:01 <warcaptain> no i wanted to see if you knew something i didnt
May 07 05:56:10 <jasta> warcaptain: we don't.
May 07 05:56:11 <muthu> warcaptain: you are in the right place
May 07 05:56:19 <muthu> wait for the GPhone
May 07 05:56:23 <muthu> you'll be happy you did
May 07 05:56:40 <jasta> we do have a LOT of unsubstantiated rumors, most of which were generated by muthu ;)
May 07 05:56:55 <muthu> jasta: can you tell the world, a rumor that i spread?
May 07 05:56:57 <warcaptain> do you think the cost would be subsidised by the carrier?
May 07 05:57:04 <warcaptain> like.. would i need to sign a contract?
May 07 05:57:05 <muthu> i report facts
May 07 05:57:07 <jasta> warcaptain: we have no idea.
May 07 05:57:24 <muthu> warcaptain: the GPhone will be cheaper
May 07 05:57:29 <muthu> and more functional
May 07 05:57:32 <jasta> trust me, we have very limited details about the roll out of this platform.  all that we know which you don't is the innards of the API and framework.
May 07 05:58:13 <warcaptain> because the TMobile Wing I could get for free
May 07 05:58:44 <warcaptain> so unless the "gphone" (your word not mine) was subsidised with new contracts i wouldnt lose out if i changed now.
May 07 05:59:36 <jasta> right, but as i said, we do not have this information.
May 07 05:59:43 <jasta> nor do we have any information about the platform roll out.
May 07 05:59:52 <jasta> or how it will interact with the carriers, what phones will be available, etc.
May 07 06:00:38 <warcaptain> ok
May 07 06:00:39 <jasta> that said, after google announces the winners to the ADC, then you will have some idea what the phone will be capable of and can then decide if it's worth it for you.
May 07 06:00:49 <warcaptain> oh really its worth it to wait
May 07 06:00:54 <warcaptain> and if theres no way i can have my cake and eat it too.. ill wait
May 07 06:01:20 <jasta> i don't see how you have magically come to a conclusion without receiving any additional information
May 07 06:01:41 <warcaptain> to the conclusion about wanting to wait for an android phone?
May 07 06:01:43 <muthu> warcaptain: wait until gphones are out
May 07 06:01:47 <jasta> warcaptain: yes.
May 07 06:02:13 <warcaptain> jasta: the new information i got was that one is coming out this year
May 07 06:02:26 <jasta> well that you could have found reading the android web page.
May 07 06:02:37 <jasta> if you haven't already, read the android FAQ.
May 07 06:03:16 <jasta> my general advice to you, though, is to just ignore android until it has had more time to bake.
May 07 06:03:28 <muthu> jasta: are the results out today?
May 07 06:03:32 <muthu> May 7?
May 07 06:03:40 <jasta> i really doubt it, based on what Dan has said.
May 07 06:03:50 <muthu> he's making a joke about dates..
May 07 06:03:58 <muthu> which means May 9 is my guess
May 07 06:04:00 <jasta> Dan said that the results are to be in from the judges by Wed, then some legal proceedings, then the announcement.
May 07 06:04:13 <jasta> so tomorrow seems like a real long shot
May 07 06:04:23 <muthu> right
May 07 06:04:44 <jasta> honestly, with the pattern this whole thing has taken i wouldn't be surprised if we had to wait until next fuckin Monday :)
May 07 06:04:52 <muthu> nope
May 07 06:04:56 <muthu> may 9 - final
May 07 06:05:01 <jasta> which is really crazy, because we have to get our asses in gear if we win!
May 07 06:05:10 <muthu> when phase II due?
May 07 06:05:13 <jasta> less than 60 days to submit for round 2!
May 07 06:05:16 <jasta> the end of June
May 07 06:05:21 <muthu> jun 30?
May 07 06:05:27 <jasta> yeah
May 07 06:05:36 <muthu> ok.. so like 50 days
May 07 06:06:45 <jasta> i can't speak for everyone of course, but i would be surprised if i was able to bring my app to maturity even by then.
May 07 06:06:54 <jasta> i would need time AFTER the challenge to get it ready to launch even still
May 07 06:07:09 <muthu> right
May 07 06:07:17 <muthu> anyway you don't have the device
May 07 06:07:20 <jasta> though i'm hoping to open source my app this weekend.  hopefully i can get some poor suckers to help me code :)
May 07 06:07:32 <muthu> that would be a great idea
May 07 06:07:42 <muthu> you can attract some real good developers
May 07 06:07:51 <jasta> the only reason i haven't so far is because there's bits that are hard coded
May 07 06:08:00 <jasta> and obviously that would confuse people.
May 07 06:08:21 <jasta> up until a week ago, the path to the music that the server scans was hard-coded hehe
May 07 06:08:31 <muthu> 20 out of 50 right
May 07 06:08:39 <jasta> so i basically have to fix all that then write up a quick little "here's how to get it running" and i can show off the source
May 07 06:08:55 <muthu> cool
May 07 06:09:14 <jasta> the server makes a little systray icon now ;)
May 07 06:09:17 <jasta> it's great.
May 07 06:09:30 <muthu> wow, you are really polishing it now
May 07 06:09:49 <jasta> well think about the timeline here
May 07 06:10:00 <jasta> these people don't have nearly as much time as they are assuming.
May 07 06:10:10 <muthu> correct
May 07 06:10:12 <jasta> i mean, when the phone launches your app needs to be mature and ready to go.
May 07 06:10:21 <muthu> that's still some time to go
May 07 06:10:26 <jasta> bringing an app from an idea to a mature, stable piece of software is a LOT of work
May 07 06:10:30 <muthu> but the PII deadline will be near
May 07 06:10:33 <jasta> more work than prototyping it.
May 07 06:10:46 <jasta> i think a lot of the developers in the ADC are very inexperienced.
May 07 06:10:54 <muthu> how so?
May 07 06:11:03 <jasta> i'm sure many of them are very talented, but i doubt many of them have experience with product lifecycle :)
May 07 06:11:17 <muthu> why?
May 07 06:11:34 <jasta> well, just a lot of chatter about polish not being important, and how it's really just about a prototype.
May 07 06:11:59 <muthu> thats for the challenge
May 07 06:12:09 <jasta> unless you've really taken a significant project through to maturity, it would be easy to think the prototype and proof-of-concept is the hardest, most time consuming part.
May 07 06:12:22 <jasta> but it isn't, ever ;)
May 07 06:12:40 <muthu> implementation is important
May 07 06:12:46 <muthu> but i feel enough time is available
May 07 06:12:54 <muthu> since the devices are only late in fall
May 07 06:12:57 <jasta> muthu: right, but the challenge just coincides with a real product lifecycle.  I mean, challenge aside, you still have to have an app that is ready to go :)
May 07 06:13:07 <muthu> jasta: nov
May 07 06:13:10 <muthu> not now
May 07 06:13:11 <jasta> like i said, a lot of folks underestimating how hard it is to take a project through to maturity
May 07 06:13:26 <jasta> ...i've done it twice ;)
May 07 06:13:32 <muthu> cool
May 07 06:13:41 <muthu> real experience counts
May 07 06:13:49 <muthu> a lot
May 07 06:14:28 <jasta> there's all sorts of stuff that inexperienced developers miss.
May 07 06:14:44 <muthu> like what?
May 07 06:14:45 <jasta> like, for example, documentation.
May 07 06:15:04 <muthu> yeah docs
May 07 06:15:19 <jasta> putting together a web site to let people access it, creating a community around it all.
May 07 06:15:33 <jasta> documenting the project itself, and if its open, the code.
May 07 06:16:12 <jasta> polishing all the UI, removing everything temporary, but still leaving enough logging and shit in that if someone comes to you and says "IT BROKE!" you can figure out why.
May 07 06:16:24 <jasta> because, trust me, that will happen.
May 07 06:16:29 <muthu> right
May 07 06:16:54 <muthu> by that time hopefully you have a company
May 07 06:17:19 <jasta> i am getting the feeling that most of the ADC contestants are not going on to start a company around their apps.
May 07 06:17:22 <jasta> myself included
May 07 06:17:44 <muthu> depends
May 07 06:17:53 <muthu> on what your product is and who the audience are
May 07 06:18:34 <jasta> i realize that, but i'm just saying that i doubt that will be the common case.
May 07 06:18:47 <jasta> at any rate, creating a company introduces a whole new set of challenges.
May 07 06:18:54 <jasta> and very time consuming ones indeed
May 07 06:19:04 <muthu> yup
May 07 06:19:13 <muthu> call me
May 07 06:19:14 <jasta> it would certainly be hard to establish a successfully operating company in under 6 months while simultaneously preparing your only product for commercial launch
May 07 06:19:17 <muthu> i'll run your company
May 07 06:19:19 <muthu> hehe
May 07 06:19:35 <jasta> but these are all things inexperienced folks do not see ;)
May 07 06:19:52 <muthu> jasta: you'll be surprised how many winners are actually doing it
May 07 06:20:11 <jasta> i dont think i will be
May 07 06:20:18 <jasta> even still, im sure a lot of folks will try, and most will fail.
May 07 06:20:33 <muthu> in starting a company?
May 07 06:20:47 <jasta> another folly of the young ;)
May 07 06:20:50 <jasta> yeah
May 07 06:21:00 <jasta> establishing a successful, profitable company is very hard work indeed.
May 07 06:21:14 <muthu> indeed!
May 07 06:21:15 <jasta> and it usually takes a LONG time and a lot of hard work.
May 07 06:21:21 <jasta> it doesn't just poof into existence because you have a need for it
May 07 06:21:32 <muthu> how did google happen?
May 07 06:21:57 <jasta> with a lot of time and hard work, i'm sure.
May 07 06:22:06 <jasta> a significant personal investment on the part of both of its founders.
May 07 06:22:12 <muthu> passion
May 07 06:22:44 <jasta> are you just speaking rhetorically?
May 07 06:23:05 <muthu> is foremost
May 07 06:23:10 <jasta> what?
May 07 06:23:26 <muthu> i just coined a word, for what you were describing
May 07 06:23:39 <muthu> Long time, hard work..
May 07 06:23:42 <muthu> passion!
May 07 06:23:54 <jasta> uhm, that word already exists muthu.
May 07 06:24:18 <muthu> really?
May 07 06:24:20 <muthu> lol
May 07 06:24:30 <jasta> you're a strange fellow
May 07 06:24:38 <muthu> strange? come on
May 07 06:24:46 <muthu> you called me insane
May 07 06:24:52 <muthu> then an idiot
May 07 06:24:59 <muthu> then a fool
May 07 06:25:02 <muthu> now strange
May 07 06:25:18 <muthu> i'm not sure what you'll call me tomorrow
May 07 06:25:22 <muthu> ????
May 07 06:26:15 <jasta> i did not call you an idiot ;)
May 07 06:26:15 <muthu> :-)
May 07 06:26:25 <jasta> but you are insane, foolish, and strange ;)
May 07 06:26:31 <muthu> jasta: you must have called everyone an idiot atleast once
May 07 06:26:40 <muthu> that much i know
May 07 06:26:41 <jasta> they make sense to coexist, too
May 07 06:27:00 <muthu> i've seen it many times on this channel, you calling people idiots
May 07 06:27:18 <muthu> hehe
May 07 06:27:20 <jasta> my apologies?  i have a short fuse.
May 07 06:27:26 <muthu> kidding
May 07 06:27:55 <jasta> it's mostly IRC.  if idiots could fly, IRC would be an airport.
May 07 06:28:04 <muthu> haha
May 07 06:29:10 <jasta> i just get frustrated responding to poorly developed thoughts.
May 07 06:29:36 <muthu> if you engage with them
May 07 06:29:45 <muthu> there might be something useful you can learn
May 07 06:29:46 <muthu> may be
May 07 06:30:06 <jasta> i would only learn to ignore them.  but that is something useful i could learn :)
May 07 06:30:26 <jtoy> i didnt get notified yet!!!
May 07 06:30:31 <jasta> if it pleases you, i will try to keep my tongue more civil.
May 07 06:30:41 <jasta> really, i can do it hehe
May 07 06:31:14 <jasta> jtoy: Google is taking their sweet time.  We don't really have a good idea when they will be announcing.  Probably this week though.
May 07 06:31:19 <jasta> Maybe Friday?  Bleh.
May 07 06:34:00 <f00f-> done any coding lately jasta?
May 07 06:34:19 <jasta> not as much this week.  but some.
May 07 06:34:50 <jasta> i'm hoping to code Friday and Sunday.
May 07 06:35:01 <jasta> but the girlfriend and mother's day may get in the way :)
May 07 06:35:36 <jasta> why do you ask?
May 07 06:35:40 <f00f-> haha, certainly
May 07 06:36:04 <f00f-> i just want to gauge potential top submissions' Phase II preparedness :)
May 07 06:36:28 <jasta> oh i have certainly had my eye on round 2.
May 07 06:36:32 <jasta> i see it coming ;)
May 07 06:36:54 <muthu> the phase II folks will get a device
May 07 06:37:12 <jasta> remember to add "I THINK" ;)
May 07 06:37:17 <f00f-> muthu: your crystal ball has proven right many times, right?
May 07 06:37:19 <muthu> i think
May 07 06:37:22 <muthu> haha
May 07 06:37:41 <muthu> f00f-: the crystal ball is always right
May 07 06:37:49 <jasta> i can't listen to this drivel :)
May 07 06:37:53 <jasta> i am gonna go to bed
May 07 06:37:59 <jasta> night folks
May 07 06:38:01 <f00f-> haha
May 07 06:38:04 <f00f-> take it easy, nite
May 07 06:38:05 <muthu> gn
May 07 06:39:15 <muthu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dalmaer/2470678951/
May 07 06:39:20 <muthu> just 1 screen?
May 07 06:39:26 <muthu> must have been a terrible demo
May 07 06:39:53 <f00f-> rofl
May 07 06:40:58 <muthu> guess it was a quick hack
May 07 07:42:19 <cutmasta> mornin
May 07 07:44:38 <jerkface03> hie
May 07 07:44:54 <jerkface03> it's wednesday and there's still no results up
May 07 07:45:07 <jerkface03> who wants to start an adc intifada with me?
May 07 07:46:16 <cutmasta> lol
May 07 07:46:31 <cutmasta> jerkface03, good idea
May 07 07:46:39 <cutmasta> but as always in software business
May 07 07:46:50 <cutmasta> decisions take always longer than planned
May 07 09:14:49 <ligi> hi everyone
May 07 09:15:38 <muthu> hey
May 07 09:15:57 <ligi> it's may 7 !-)
May 07 09:16:58 <muthu> oh yes
May 07 09:17:00 <muthu> waiting...
May 07 09:17:38 <ligi> muthu: look into your spam folder
May 07 09:17:55 <cutmasta> muthu, did not find any time yesterday
May 07 09:19:00 <cutmasta> but i found time to change the logo on androidportal
May 07 09:19:24 <ligi> cutmasta: nice
May 07 09:19:55 <cutmasta> ligi, hopefully the google lawyers will not stress me because i used their logo
May 07 09:20:07 <ligi> cutmasta: i dont think so
May 07 09:20:12 <ligi> its publicity for them
May 07 09:20:15 <ligi> imho
May 07 09:20:22 <ligi> but i'm no lawyer
May 07 09:20:27 <cutmasta> yes, but trademarks are trademarks
May 07 09:20:29 <cutmasta> imho
May 07 09:20:30 <cutmasta> :)
May 07 09:20:36 <cutmasta> i know this from my comp
May 07 09:21:07 <ligi> cutmasta: but i would put the android label on the banner to the top - now its mixed with the navigation links
May 07 09:21:21 <ligi> hard to read
May 07 09:21:48 <cutmasta> i removed it
May 07 09:22:36 <ligi> nt nav?
May 07 09:22:41 <ligi> the nav i mean
May 07 09:23:44 <ligi> it would be cool when the google folks would tell the (1788-100) that they lost
May 07 09:24:37 <ligi> dont knowing exactly that u lost iss a hard time
May 07 09:24:37 <cutmasta> ligi, i removed the "news about blalala"
May 07 09:24:50 <ligi> cutmasta: k
May 07 09:24:58 <cutmasta> for me its fine
May 07 09:25:00 <cutmasta> or not?
May 07 09:25:15 <ligi> yes
May 07 09:25:59 <ligi> morrildl: news about the timing?
May 07 09:26:32 <cutmasta> ligi, morrildl is away since 10 hours
May 07 09:26:43 <ligi> so wake him up
May 07 09:27:24 <ligi> i'm 99% sure that i'm out - butt i wanna eleminate the  1%
May 07 09:27:37 <ligi> this 1% is decreasing my productivity
May 07 09:27:40 * cutmasta shakes morrildl , wake up !
May 07 09:27:42 <cutmasta> ;)
May 07 09:29:35 <ligi> cutmasta: der iss bestimmt bei dem geschwätz der anwälte eingeschlafen - das kann dauern
May 07 09:31:14 <cutmasta> hehe
May 07 09:31:30 <cutmasta> somebody knows howto activate rss feed in wordpress?
May 07 09:31:46 <ligi> never used wordpress
May 07 09:32:13 <ligi> but there is a feed on ur portal
May 07 09:32:13 <ligi> http://www.android-portal.com/feed/atom/
May 07 09:32:46 <cutmasta> ups
May 07 09:32:46 <cutmasta> ok
May 07 09:32:47 <cutmasta> :)
May 07 09:32:50 <cutmasta> thx
May 07 09:32:54 <cutmasta> did not know
May 07 09:32:59 <ligi> ^^
May 07 09:33:11 <ligi> allready subscribed
May 07 09:33:11 <ligi> ^^
May 07 09:34:14 <ligi> whats the time in the google HQ?
May 07 09:35:53 <tomgibara> ligi: 2:35am
May 07 09:36:04 <ligi> tomgibara: thanx
May 07 11:38:43 <muthu> people get hit as of today, as per the forums
May 07 11:38:54 <zhobbs> one of my apps did
May 07 11:39:02 <muthu> zhobbs: man, where were you?
May 07 11:39:06 <muthu> congrats!
May 07 11:39:13 <zhobbs> haha
May 07 11:39:19 <zhobbs> working full time blows
May 07 11:39:22 <muthu> really, we were all searching for you
May 07 11:39:34 <zhobbs> I know
May 07 11:39:35 <muthu> is it 1 out of 2?
May 07 11:39:44 <zhobbs> I don't know about the other
May 07 11:39:51 <muthu> cool, are you in florida now?
May 07 11:39:54 <zhobbs> yeah
May 07 11:40:00 <muthu> great
May 07 11:40:18 <muthu> so the judges are working the deadlines heh?
May 07 11:40:28 <zhobbs> yeah, guess so
May 07 11:40:42 <muthu> are the results out today?
May 07 11:40:57 <zhobbs> who knows, sometime this week though
May 07 11:41:11 <zhobbs> ok....gotta go to work :)
May 07 11:41:28 <zhobbs> I'll post a story about one of my submissions later today
May 07 11:41:45 <muthu> cool
May 07 11:41:46 <muthu> do it
May 07 11:41:55 <zhobbs> android.tunewiki.com
May 07 11:42:14 <zhobbs> cya
May 07 11:42:18 <muthu> oh great
May 07 12:30:32 <Dougie187> Good morning
May 07 12:37:33 <muthu> mornin
May 07 12:38:47 <Dougie187> how are you muthu?
May 07 12:39:00 <ligi> namaskar muthu
May 07 12:42:27 <muthu> namaskar ligi
May 07 12:42:33 <muthu> good donomo
May 07 12:42:36 <muthu> good Dougie187
May 07 12:42:43 <Dougie187> thats good
May 07 12:46:07 <Dougie187> whats new today?
May 07 12:46:50 <muthu> nothin
May 07 12:46:52 <muthu> same old
May 07 12:46:55 <muthu> waitin
May 07 12:47:05 <Dougie187> sounds like a party
May 07 13:18:48 <michaelnovakjr__> woohooo... did someone say party!
May 07 13:19:45 <poffy> no
May 07 13:20:12 <michaelnovakjr__> Dougie187: sounds like a party
May 07 13:20:44 <Dougie187> yes i did
May 07 13:20:46 <Dougie187> Party!
May 07 13:20:50 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 13:20:57 <poffy> You can have your parties
May 07 13:20:58 <Dougie187> dont take away my thunder poffy
May 07 13:21:05 <poffy> I have to go take a math final
May 07 13:21:07 <poffy> :|
May 07 13:21:13 <Dougie187> that sounds like a party as well
May 07 13:21:23 <poffy> Oh yes, quite
May 07 13:21:25 <convivial> yes and hi
May 07 13:23:50 <michaelnovakjr__> SMS services from weatherphone go live on friday, would people not sign up for the service if they had to pay 99 cents once you think?
May 07 13:25:21 <muthu> michaelnovakjr__: yes, they'll sign up
May 07 13:25:29 <muthu> those living in rough weather atleast
May 07 13:25:49 <michaelnovakjr__> that is what i figured, in the end the 99 cents will help provide better service
May 07 13:26:41 <michaelnovakjr__> i'm excited for this service
May 07 13:26:41 <Dougie187> I would think 99 cents wouldnt be too much
May 07 13:26:59 <michaelnovakjr__> and that's only to sign up, its not monthly or yearly
May 07 13:27:02 <Dougie187> you will have to find a way to advertise your service
May 07 13:27:06 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 07 13:27:31 <michaelnovakjr__> this is more of a soft launch, making it available with a few announcements, i want to see how that goes
May 07 13:28:07 <michaelnovakjr__> the services are complete, just finishing up the website for it
May 07 13:28:49 <Dougie187> so they are strictly sms now?
May 07 13:28:59 <michaelnovakjr__> this part of the service
May 07 13:29:00 <Dougie187> no cell application yet
May 07 13:29:44 <michaelnovakjr__> i am working on various applications for win mobile, blackberry, (iphone this summer), etc. But for those with simple phones the SMS option seems the best fit
May 07 13:29:48 <michaelnovakjr__> simple not overkill
May 07 13:30:00 <Dougie187> yeah
May 07 13:30:00 <michaelnovakjr__> and of course android has one :)
May 07 13:30:05 <Dougie187> of course
May 07 13:30:09 <Dougie187> thats the main interest
May 07 13:30:10 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 13:30:13 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 07 13:30:28 <michaelnovakjr__> android's version will be the most innovative
May 07 13:32:02 <michaelnovakjr__> the server side software is very scalable and very efficient so the initial push can support 100,000
May 07 13:33:19 <Dougie187> thats pretty cool
May 07 13:33:44 <michaelnovakjr__> and it covers all zip codes in the United States
May 07 13:34:06 <michaelnovakjr__> i am looking to support international locations once the systems are running.
May 07 13:35:27 <Dougie187> are international locations as easy as US locations?
May 07 13:36:20 <michaelnovakjr__> at first glance not really, but i am going to work hard to make it happen, especially in areas prone to weather disasters.
May 07 13:46:58 * convivial away reading...
May 07 13:47:29 <michaelnovakjr__> reading?
May 07 13:49:03 <ligi> michaelnovakjr__: the result email ^^
May 07 13:49:13 <ligi> its May 7.
May 07 13:49:15 <michaelnovakjr__> good one
May 07 13:49:28 <michaelnovakjr__> May 7 was just another prediction
May 07 13:49:35 <michaelnovakjr__> not official
May 07 13:50:15 <michaelnovakjr__> and plus, its still only 7 in cali
May 07 13:50:19 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 14:41:22 <michaelnovakjr__> quiet
May 07 14:42:46 <muthu> very quiet
May 07 14:43:47 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 14:45:14 <michaelnovakjr__> 1 hour and 15 minutes ....
May 07 14:47:53 <morrildl> michaelnovakjr__: for what?
May 07 14:48:04 <michaelnovakjr__> till its 9 in california :)
May 07 14:48:16 <morrildl> okay, that is a true statement
May 07 14:48:19 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 14:48:30 <michaelnovakjr__> lunchtime for me :)
May 07 14:49:31 <muthu> morrildl: is it coming out today?
May 07 14:51:13 <michaelnovakjr__> it will arrive precisely when it is intended to, not early and not late :)
May 07 14:51:20 <muthu> haha
May 07 14:51:38 <muthu> that's the standard droid response
May 07 14:51:41 <morrildl> muthu: I'm not sure, I did get the blue throbbing thing on my Wii, but I haven't had time to check and I didn't think the indy-developer "WiiWare" channel was coming out this soon
May 07 14:51:52 <morrildl> at least, I assume that's what you were asking about
May 07 14:52:12 <muthu> morrildl: lately you are having too much fun ;)
May 07 14:52:12 <michaelnovakjr__> :) see there you go, no you can sleep soundly
May 07 14:52:23 <michaelnovakjr__> now you can **
May 07 14:52:43 <michaelnovakjr__> i totally would too :)
May 07 14:54:30 <muthu> its coming today
May 07 14:54:39 <chadkouse> what is ?
May 07 14:54:57 <muthu> chadkouse: can you guess?
May 07 14:55:04 <michaelnovakjr__> flying pigs !!
May 07 14:55:08 <michaelnovakjr__> damn i knew it
May 07 14:55:10 <muthu> lol
May 07 14:55:15 <chadkouse> hmm...
May 07 14:55:17 <michaelnovakjr__> flying pigs are real!
May 07 14:55:19 <chadkouse> end of the world ?
May 07 14:55:31 <michaelnovakjr__> i'm going to tell my mommy, be back!
May 07 14:56:07 <muthu> any winners got any email?
May 07 14:56:13 <michaelnovakjr__> i did
May 07 14:56:29 <chadkouse> I was hit by a judge in Spain about 7 hours ago...
May 07 14:56:32 <michaelnovakjr__> but i won a free towel
May 07 14:56:32 <chadkouse> are you sure it's coming today ?
May 07 14:56:42 <muthu> chadkouse: really?
May 07 14:56:45 <chadkouse> yeah
May 07 14:56:52 <michaelnovakjr__> ::server hits mean nothing::
May 07 14:56:52 <muthu> ok.. so the judging is still on
May 07 14:57:06 <chadkouse> i'd say so.
May 07 14:57:13 <chadkouse> I've been hit every day since 5/3
May 07 14:57:46 <muthu> impressive
May 07 14:57:51 <chadkouse> well.. they could mean ::something::
May 07 14:58:00 <chadkouse> it means someone is looking at our app...
May 07 14:58:12 <michaelnovakjr__> sure it definitely means that :)
May 07 14:58:16 <chadkouse> heh
May 07 14:58:18 <muthu> chadkouse: what's your app?
May 07 14:58:22 <chadkouse> they could be laughing at it.
May 07 14:58:28 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 14:58:31 <chadkouse> "dude.. look at this... what a piece of crap"
May 07 14:58:45 <chadkouse> "send this to Rico in spain.. he's gotta see this..."
May 07 14:58:48 <michaelnovakjr__> like.... hey man check this out..... come look come look......... hahahahahahahahaha!
May 07 14:59:04 <michaelnovakjr__> what is your app?
May 07 14:59:40 <chadkouse> it's a media player
May 07 15:00:00 <michaelnovakjr__> what kind?
May 07 15:00:07 <michaelnovakjr__> standard audio/video?
May 07 15:00:08 <chadkouse> all porn
May 07 15:00:13 <michaelnovakjr__> sweeet
May 07 15:00:19 <michaelnovakjr__> no wonder you have been getting hits!
May 07 15:00:35 <chadkouse> heh.. no it's kinda standard... with some stuff that nobody else has ever done before added in..
May 07 15:01:01 <michaelnovakjr__> ::quickly doing the competitive app::
May 07 15:01:17 <muthu> what kind of stuff added?
May 07 15:01:23 <chadkouse> Zach helped us write it... well really it's more like we helped him... he did most of the heavy lifting
May 07 15:01:32 <muthu> ohhh got it
May 07 15:01:38 <muthu> you have a website?
May 07 15:01:51 <chadkouse> yeah but I don't really want to give out too much...
May 07 15:02:02 <muthu> why?>
May 07 15:02:14 <chadkouse> I dunno...
May 07 15:02:19 <chadkouse> paranoid I guess
May 07 15:02:38 <michaelnovakjr__> of what people liking it and using it?
May 07 15:02:44 <chadkouse> haha.. true...
May 07 15:03:02 <muthu> i understand
May 07 15:03:51 <chadkouse> but yeah I don't know if the results are coming today...
May 07 15:03:55 <chadkouse> I'm sure they still COULD be
May 07 15:04:06 <chadkouse> but I'm leaning towards tomorrow or Friday
May 07 15:04:40 <muthu> probably may 9
May 07 15:04:48 <michaelnovakjr__> may 7 may 7 may 7
May 07 15:05:10 <muthu> may 777
May 07 15:05:22 <chadkouse> may 2077
May 07 15:05:30 <michaelnovakjr__> may 7
May 07 15:05:33 <chadkouse> Hey jasta
May 07 15:05:40 <chadkouse> sorry I never got back with you
May 07 15:05:48 <michaelnovakjr__> oooo the competition
May 07 15:06:10 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: ?
May 07 15:06:23 <jasta> chadkouse: it's OK, no big deal.
May 07 15:06:30 <michaelnovakjr__> media player v. media player
May 07 15:06:59 <jasta> i wouldn't look at it that way
May 07 15:07:15 <michaelnovakjr__> i'm in a busting chops mood today :)
May 07 15:07:28 <chadkouse> heh
May 07 15:08:36 <michaelnovakjr__> one of those long nights
May 07 15:11:10 <jasta> i'm just gonna go to work on time and do my job today :)
May 07 15:11:17 <chadkouse> hah...
May 07 15:11:22 <chadkouse> not me!
May 07 15:11:32 <michaelnovakjr__> yea that's a tough task
May 07 15:11:49 <jasta> it's the only way to distract myself from this lame wait.
May 07 15:12:04 <michaelnovakjr__> ::very lame wait::
May 07 15:12:24 <chadkouse> heheh.
May 07 15:12:51 <chadkouse> I had actually put it out of my mind since we submitted until like may 5th.. since then - i'm with you in the lame wait
May 07 15:13:23 <muthu> this week goog actually destroyed the productivity of 1788 teams
May 07 15:13:24 <michaelnovakjr__> my emacs is looking up at me and smiling.... haven't touched it in like an hour!
May 07 15:18:22 <jasta> your emacs sounds like its replaced your girlfriend
May 07 15:18:22 <michaelnovakjr__> 42 minutes
May 07 15:18:36 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, in recent days...
May 07 15:18:47 <michaelnovakjr__> releasing on friday :)
May 07 15:30:52 <davanum> looks like the JavaFX on Android is dead in the water - http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/05/javaone08day1
May 07 15:35:06 <living_sword> i think Sun isnt interested right now
May 07 15:36:29 <muthu> typical of sun
May 07 15:36:44 <living_sword> the fact that they showed it at JavaOne shows theres a life for JavaFX on android
May 07 15:36:54 <living_sword> just not yet
May 07 15:37:05 <muthu> only if they proactively push it
May 07 15:37:32 <living_sword> they've left it to the community i think
May 07 15:38:11 <muthu> yeah, not sure if fx is good
May 07 15:38:16 <muthu> anyone used it?
May 07 15:39:02 <muthu> sun should be happy that android using java
May 07 15:39:09 <muthu> and not crib abut j2me thing
May 07 15:40:38 <living_sword> j2me would be too small for android
May 07 15:40:59 <muthu> goog made the decision
May 07 15:41:23 <muthu> for whatever reason
May 07 15:41:41 <muthu> atleast they picked java
May 07 15:52:32 <jasta> yawn
May 07 15:52:52 <muthu> jasta: getting work done?
May 07 15:52:57 <jasta> not really
May 07 15:53:07 <muthu> hehe
May 07 15:53:13 <muthu> will not happen
May 07 15:53:42 <michaelnovakjr__> that is why they should get the damn announcement over with alreay
May 07 15:53:46 <michaelnovakjr__> already
May 07 15:53:56 <muthu> agree
May 07 15:54:05 <Dougie187> msn is saying obama got the nomination for democrats
May 07 15:54:07 <Dougie187> fyi
May 07 15:54:16 <muthu> wow, obama won?
May 07 15:54:18 <muthu> cool
May 07 15:54:22 <jasta> that would be excellent
May 07 15:54:33 <muthu> thought clinton would somehow make it
May 07 15:54:44 <Dougie187> msn is saying that obama won.
May 07 15:54:49 <Dougie187> i dont think its certain yet
May 07 15:54:52 <Dougie187> but thats what they say
May 07 15:54:57 <jasta> if clinton was elected president, we would have the same 2 families running the US for over 24 years.
May 07 15:55:10 <muthu> 24?
May 07 15:55:14 <michaelnovakjr__> McCain!!
May 07 15:55:16 <muthu> oh right
May 07 15:55:20 <dmoffett> McCain
May 07 15:55:22 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 15:55:41 <muthu> clinton would have been a tough opponent for mccain
May 07 15:55:46 <michaelnovakjr__> obama has the equivalent muscle of a fairy
May 07 15:56:19 <Dougie187> i think too many people are scared of clinton
May 07 15:56:28 <michaelnovakjr__> and after the clinton-bush national security disasters we need someone who isn't afraid to take preventive action
May 07 15:57:00 <muthu> clinton has more experience
May 07 15:57:20 <michaelnovakjr__> what experience?
May 07 15:57:31 <michaelnovakjr__> she has no foreign policy experience at all
May 07 15:57:41 <jasta> i enjoy obama's take on political experience.
May 07 15:57:55 <michaelnovakjr__> and if she tried to tie that in with her husband's..... well we all know his experience internationally
May 07 15:58:44 <muthu> its going to be tough for obama
May 07 15:58:47 <muthu> against mccain
May 07 15:58:59 <michaelnovakjr__> honestly, if we needed to plan another attack i would be all for it..... i'd rather us be the ones attacking than someone else
May 07 15:59:13 <michaelnovakjr__> we screwed that up in the 90's and we paid a terrible price
May 07 15:59:33 <muthu> michaelnovakjr that doesn't work long run
May 07 15:59:35 <jasta> what the hell are you talking about?
May 07 15:59:57 <michaelnovakjr__> the number of times clinton had the opportunity to capture bin laden
May 07 16:00:11 <michaelnovakjr__> the CIA operations scrapped 4 times
May 07 16:00:17 <michaelnovakjr__> at the last minute
May 07 16:00:18 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: bush senior sold him weapons.
May 07 16:00:27 <jasta> and gave him CIA training
May 07 16:00:37 <jasta> and all his associates, too
May 07 16:00:44 <michaelnovakjr__> i don't support him either. I think all three are responsible
May 07 16:00:56 <jasta> i don't think any of them are individually responsible.
May 07 16:01:01 <michaelnovakjr__> clinton called off an attack because the saudi prince was with him
May 07 16:01:07 <muthu> always on war is not going to help you in the long run
May 07 16:01:24 <michaelnovakjr__> muthu, true... but if you know something is coming you better make damn sure you stop it
May 07 16:01:38 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: how on earth could you know that something was coming?
May 07 16:01:52 <michaelnovakjr__> The intelligence was there
May 07 16:01:55 <muthu> yeah no way
May 07 16:01:57 <jasta> no, it wasn't.
May 07 16:02:10 <michaelnovakjr__> are you kidding..... the FBI and CIA both had intelligence
May 07 16:02:18 <jasta> if you interpret what is known now and balance it against what was known then, you MIGHT be able to conclude that we knew it all before hand.
May 07 16:02:25 <michaelnovakjr__> the FAA was testing the airport security in 1999 because of threats
May 07 16:02:35 <michaelnovakjr__> we didn't know it all
May 07 16:02:40 <jasta> but no one had the benefit of knowing what they know now.
May 07 16:02:42 <michaelnovakjr__> but we didn't act on what we did know
May 07 16:03:03 <michaelnovakjr__> the FAA said that in 99 the security checkpoints were a joke
May 07 16:03:14 <jasta> theyre a joke now, btw.
May 07 16:03:19 <chadkouse> hehe...  look what waiting for the results has brought us to people!
May 07 16:03:21 <chadkouse> fighting!
May 07 16:03:24 <michaelnovakjr__> and are we doing anything about it
May 07 16:03:28 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:03:38 <jasta> a couple of years ago, at a major international airport, a DEER wandered onto the tarmac.
May 07 16:03:45 <michaelnovakjr__> its sad
May 07 16:04:08 <michaelnovakjr__> someone in a trench coat looking all shady doesn't get searched but the little old lady in a walker does
May 07 16:04:17 <michaelnovakjr__> tell me how that is going to catch something
May 07 16:04:34 <muthu> michaelnovakjr now its all paranoid
May 07 16:04:51 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: it isn't, which is precisely my original point
May 07 16:05:10 <michaelnovakjr__> but we can't actually do anything because of the rights
May 07 16:05:17 <jasta> no one thing is responsible for this happening.  a long history of very bad foreign policy, coupled with an unstable nation caused 9/11.
May 07 16:05:22 <michaelnovakjr__> if i have nothing to hide why would i car
May 07 16:05:23 <michaelnovakjr__> e
May 07 16:05:37 <jasta> going to war and hurting our image around the world is not helping that.
May 07 16:05:49 <muthu> i love the way people have freedom in US
May 07 16:05:51 <michaelnovakjr__> well, jasta :) we aren't at "war"
May 07 16:05:58 <jasta> uh, yes we are.
May 07 16:06:03 <chadkouse> let's not forget that really a group of like 20 pretty awful people is what really caused 9/11
May 07 16:06:06 <michaelnovakjr__> war was declared over in 2003
May 07 16:06:10 <michaelnovakjr__> this is an occupation
May 07 16:06:14 <jasta> lol
May 07 16:06:15 <muthu> but sadly now its being trampled on
May 07 16:06:18 <jasta> that was just political strategy
May 07 16:06:39 <michaelnovakjr__> well, the difference between a war and an occupation is that the place is still standing
May 07 16:06:58 <michaelnovakjr__> we are playing cops over there
May 07 16:07:14 <michaelnovakjr__> all because of politics
May 07 16:07:24 <Dougie187> man im pumped that i started a politics fight
May 07 16:07:28 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:07:30 <Dougie187> How bout ADC guys?
May 07 16:07:33 <jasta> Dougie187: i'm really, really not.
May 07 16:07:43 <michaelnovakjr__> politics are what is killing more lives
May 07 16:07:46 <jasta> politics are such a difficult topic because, really, everyone is wrong.
May 07 16:07:46 <Dougie187> are the results out yet?
May 07 16:07:57 <michaelnovakjr__> yea obama won :)
May 07 16:08:00 <Dougie187> true dat jasta. just everyone thinks they are right
May 07 16:08:02 <muthu> lol
May 07 16:08:27 <chadkouse> my point was overlooked.
May 07 16:08:32 <chadkouse> cest la vie
May 07 16:08:42 <michaelnovakjr__> we took over iraq without breaking a sweat...
May 07 16:08:51 <michaelnovakjr__> that was military action
May 07 16:09:02 <Dougie187> anyways
May 07 16:09:04 <Dougie187> so.
May 07 16:09:05 <muthu> michaelnovakjr but look at the after effects
May 07 16:09:08 <Dougie187> hows weatherphone michaelnovakjr
May 07 16:09:08 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 07 16:09:17 <muthu> see where the oil prices are now
May 07 16:09:18 <Dougie187> you are releasing sms stuff soon right?
May 07 16:09:27 <michaelnovakjr__> the after effects are due to poor management
May 07 16:09:34 <michaelnovakjr__> Dougie187: yes, friday is the release
May 07 16:09:36 <Dougie187> nice. that sound fun.
May 07 16:09:40 <Dougie187> how bout you muthu
May 07 16:09:44 <Dougie187> hows your cooking app?
May 07 16:09:48 <Dougie187> and plans for improvement?
May 07 16:09:52 <muthu> lots of plan
May 07 16:09:56 <chadkouse> zhobbs: are you there ?
May 07 16:09:57 <muthu> but need to know if that won
May 07 16:09:58 <jasta> muthu: something worth pointing out about oil prices is that since it is not a renewable source of energy, you should expect that the prices can ONLY go up.
May 07 16:10:01 <jasta> regardless of politics.
May 07 16:10:17 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, true true true!
May 07 16:10:21 <jasta> it's simple economics.  a dwindling supply coupled with a steady and slowly increasing supply.  duh.
May 07 16:10:29 <jasta> err increasing demand*
May 07 16:10:39 <chadkouse> i say send em all the way up and let's get a new type of power source
May 07 16:10:45 <muthu> and the increasing demand in china, india..
May 07 16:10:51 <jasta> it frustrates me when people complain that gas prices continue to rise.  well, OBVIOUSLY!
May 07 16:11:07 <michaelnovakjr__> i can't wait for new energy sources
May 07 16:11:20 <michaelnovakjr__> i am a fan of innovation, so its an interesting topic
May 07 16:11:33 <Dougie187> who wants to have a party?
May 07 16:11:33 <michaelnovakjr__> i like what spain is doing with wind power
May 07 16:11:36 <Dougie187> lets have a party.
May 07 16:11:38 <dmoffett> Complain about the profits of Exxon.
May 07 16:11:49 <jasta> also, increasing gas prices should hopefully make it clearer to people that you shouldn't live an hour and a half away from your place of employment :)
May 07 16:11:58 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 16:12:05 <michaelnovakjr__> or drive down the block to get milk
May 07 16:12:09 <chadkouse> that's only for people who have to drive to workk
May 07 16:12:09 <dmoffett> I live 15 feet from my work place.  :-)
May 07 16:12:12 <Dougie187> you guys want to have a party?
May 07 16:12:15 <michaelnovakjr__> you have legs.... use them!
May 07 16:12:15 <chadkouse> :)
May 07 16:12:27 <Dougie187> i dont think you guys are taking to my party idea
May 07 16:12:31 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 16:12:41 <muthu> now scientists have found water can be used to drive your cars!!
May 07 16:12:50 <Dougie187> not water. Hydrogen
May 07 16:12:59 <muthu> yeah from water
May 07 16:13:06 <michaelnovakjr__> how about fruit loops?
May 07 16:13:11 <Dougie187> well you can get hydrogen from a lot of places.
May 07 16:13:17 <michaelnovakjr__> or candy corn?
May 07 16:13:29 <muthu> michaelnovakjr that's already there
May 07 16:13:30 <Dougie187> I mean hell.
May 07 16:13:33 <jasta> actually, mythbusters demonstrated that just about anything with calories can be used to power things.
May 07 16:13:33 <muthu> oil from food
May 07 16:13:37 <Dougie187> theres a scientist who made a car run on garbage
May 07 16:13:40 <jasta> mythbusters made a rocket out of salami
May 07 16:13:50 <vol_> that's awesome
May 07 16:13:50 <Dougie187> Good ol' Dr. Emmett Brown
May 07 16:13:50 <michaelnovakjr__> mmmm salami
May 07 16:14:31 <Dougie187> whos gonna google that name first?
May 07 16:14:36 <jasta> which is not surprising, considering that food does have potential energy (duh)
May 07 16:15:00 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta is right on today :)
May 07 16:15:29 <chadkouse> flux capacitor ?
May 07 16:15:35 <Dougie187> i can power a rocket out of baking soda and vinegar
May 07 16:15:37 <Dougie187> Hell yeah
May 07 16:16:12 <Dougie187> flux capacitors are awesome. right chadkouse
May 07 16:16:23 <Dougie187> they are the way to the future
May 07 16:16:32 <michaelnovakjr__> so any announcement?
May 07 16:16:49 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: no, i havent seen dan in here since monday either
May 07 16:16:56 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 16:16:56 <Dougie187> he was here yesterday
May 07 16:17:02 <Dougie187> jerkface scared him away though
May 07 16:17:03 <jasta> i bet those bastards wont have it done until friday
May 07 16:17:09 <michaelnovakjr__> he was here earlier.... cracking jokes
May 07 16:17:25 <jasta> i cant believe they are really going to background check the winners to make sure they arent terrorists
May 07 16:17:25 <michaelnovakjr__> they should do it today because its just a really good idea
May 07 16:17:30 <jasta> that sounds like a joke, right?
May 07 16:17:34 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:17:39 <muthu> jasta:  that's a joke
May 07 16:17:40 <michaelnovakjr__> i bet that is already don
May 07 16:17:42 <michaelnovakjr__> ee
May 07 16:17:45 <muthu> so the results will be out today
May 07 16:17:51 <jasta> muthu: thats what i thought, but he kept saying it in several places
May 07 16:18:03 <michaelnovakjr__> you do go through legal depts, but they should do it while the 100 are being tested
May 07 16:18:04 <jasta> and then it seems to me like something you'd expect some mega corporation to actually do
May 07 16:18:09 <Dougie187> lol was "Not a Terrorist" in the qualification material?
May 07 16:18:23 <michaelnovakjr__> Dougie187: in fewer words
May 07 16:18:24 <muthu> what background check?
May 07 16:18:26 <muthu> its silly
May 07 16:18:27 <jasta> Dougie187: well, i think there was an eligibility clause
May 07 16:18:30 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 07 16:18:40 <michaelnovakjr__> the legal team determines that jasta
May 07 16:18:41 <jasta> which said your government must find you eligible to receive this prize
May 07 16:18:46 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 07 16:18:50 <Dougie187> Ok then
May 07 16:18:50 <jasta> and i guess in the US that means not blowing things up
May 07 16:18:55 <michaelnovakjr__> you bet
May 07 16:18:59 <Dougie187> i use to blow up sobe bottles.
May 07 16:19:03 <michaelnovakjr__> sshhh
May 07 16:19:04 <Dougie187> does that make me non-elligible?
May 07 16:19:09 <jasta> i like to blow up small camping propane tanks
May 07 16:19:14 <jasta> any of you guys want to see?
May 07 16:19:18 <Dougie187> sure
May 07 16:19:30 <jasta> http://jasta.dyndns.org/snow_camping_dec_07/boom.avi
May 07 16:19:50 <jasta> (fyi, i am not in the video, i am behind the camera)
May 07 16:19:57 <Dougie187> i dont know if i can play this.
May 07 16:20:00 <michaelnovakjr__> i can see it now, Dougie187 and jasta win google prize only to be arrested by US Government and labeled non-eligible
May 07 16:20:00 <Dougie187> almost no videos play on this computer
May 07 16:20:05 <Dougie187> because its centos and centos blows
May 07 16:20:24 <jasta> no mplayer?
May 07 16:20:30 <Dougie187> nope
May 07 16:20:31 <Dougie187> only totem
May 07 16:20:35 <Dougie187> and no plugins for totem either
May 07 16:20:35 <jasta> i encoded it with xvid
May 07 16:20:36 <michaelnovakjr__> you can get mplayer
May 07 16:20:40 <Dougie187> no i cant.
May 07 16:20:44 <Dougie187> its not in the repos we have
May 07 16:20:50 <Dougie187> these comps are locked down
May 07 16:21:26 <muthu> spring and google, heh
May 07 16:21:47 <jasta> oh, also:
May 07 16:21:53 <jasta> http://jasta.dyndns.org/snow_camping_dec_07/molotov.avi
May 07 16:21:58 <jasta> yeah, thats a good one :)
May 07 16:22:08 <Dougie187> what ever is hosting these is hella slow
May 07 16:22:18 <jasta> it's my home computer
May 07 16:22:24 <jasta> so just wget them
May 07 16:22:33 <michaelnovakjr__> yes! wget
May 07 16:22:50 <Dougie187> you wget them
May 07 16:22:53 <Dougie187> ..pfft.
May 07 16:22:56 <Dougie187> tell me what to do
May 07 16:22:59 <Dougie187> ...
May 07 16:22:59 <michaelnovakjr__> dude wget
May 07 16:23:03 <michaelnovakjr__> is cool
May 07 16:23:13 <michaelnovakjr__> i started helping on that project :)
May 07 16:23:15 <Dougie187> so is grep, but im not shoving that down your throat
May 07 16:23:25 <michaelnovakjr__> grep is cool too
May 07 16:23:32 <michaelnovakjr__> couldn't work without it
May 07 16:23:36 <Dougie187> my point exactly
May 07 16:23:48 <Dougie187> now drop the wget shenanigans.
May 07 16:23:53 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:24:15 <jasta> is my hosting really that slow that it hasn't even finished downloading by now?
May 07 16:24:24 <Dougie187> 30 kb/s
May 07 16:24:30 <Dougie187> it just finished.
May 07 16:24:30 <michaelnovakjr__> 60
May 07 16:24:35 <Dougie187> but i cant play it
May 07 16:24:36 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 16:24:40 <jasta> i have 896kbit up or whatever :)
May 07 16:27:21 <michaelnovakjr__> they should give the announcement at noon
May 07 16:27:56 <jasta> there's just no way that'll happen :)
May 07 16:28:15 <muthu> it will happen as soon as dan get to it
May 07 16:28:38 <jasta> well if the scores aren't even due until some time today/tonight...
May 07 16:28:41 <michaelnovakjr__> i have been beyond unproductive during business hours this week :)
May 07 16:29:15 <jasta> me too, it's getting ridiculous
May 07 16:29:15 <muthu> this week is a wreck
May 07 16:29:26 <muthu> insane
May 07 16:29:31 <michaelnovakjr__> even a message saying ....... no not today guys might make me slightly productive today
May 07 16:29:31 <Dougie187> noon where?
May 07 16:29:38 <michaelnovakjr__> pacific
May 07 16:29:47 <Dougie187> so in 2.5 hours?
May 07 16:29:51 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 16:30:34 <muthu> i'm sure it will be announced when we least expect it
May 07 16:31:21 <michaelnovakjr__> like at 11:33:32 am pst
May 07 16:31:26 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 16:31:32 <ligi> muthu: when could this be? we're expecting it every moment ..
May 07 16:31:41 <Dougie187> when everyone is asleep
May 07 16:32:12 <muthu> when we go out to lunch
May 07 16:32:14 <muthu> hehe
May 07 16:32:29 <michaelnovakjr__> when everyone's on the crapper
May 07 16:32:37 <muthu> ha more like it
May 07 16:32:54 <jasta> i like reading e-mails on the toilet
May 07 16:32:55 <muthu> and then you run out to check your mail
May 07 16:33:11 <michaelnovakjr__> that'll be cool in an interview
May 07 16:33:14 <muthu> oh, then its not happening then
May 07 16:33:19 <michaelnovakjr__> so where were you when you found out?
May 07 16:33:29 <michaelnovakjr__> cleaning up after the thai food at lunch :)
May 07 16:33:37 <muthu> lol
May 07 16:33:43 <jasta> guys, i really dont think its gonna be today :)
May 07 16:33:47 <jasta> maybe tomorrow, but not today
May 07 16:33:50 <muthu> why?
May 07 16:34:01 <muthu> ha!
May 07 16:34:20 <jasta> i just dont see that being the case.  the judges arent likely to submit early :)
May 07 16:34:25 <jasta> just like we werent :)
May 07 16:34:41 <muthu> if the judge is expect to turn in today
May 07 16:34:55 <muthu> i'll say he would have completed by yesterday
May 07 16:35:05 <Dougie187> maybe the policitcal fight was better.
May 07 16:35:15 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:35:23 <michaelnovakjr__> it'll be today!
May 07 16:35:29 <michaelnovakjr__> i feel it in my stomach
May 07 16:35:34 <michaelnovakjr__> oh wait.... just gas
May 07 16:35:34 <ligi> but the 1788-100 sould be clear .. why not give this info to the crowd?
May 07 16:35:34 <jasta> no it wont
May 07 16:35:54 <muthu> ligi:  then the excitement is lost
May 07 16:35:56 <jasta> i personally don't want to know that i was in the top 100 but got cut.
May 07 16:36:03 <jasta> that would be soooo lame :)
May 07 16:36:16 <jasta> it'd be like google telling you "awww, bummer, you were totally #51."
May 07 16:36:16 <muthu> why cut off the remaining 1688 from the fun?
May 07 16:36:21 <michaelnovakjr__> but if you are in the top 100 you could just go to the bar now and drink it all away
May 07 16:36:39 <michaelnovakjr__> my luck tells me i could be 51
May 07 16:36:39 <jasta> actually, i already got really smashed on monday, i dont want to again
May 07 16:36:46 <michaelnovakjr__> or 1789
May 07 16:36:52 <michaelnovakjr__> not really sure
May 07 16:37:01 <jasta> i told my friends they could expense the drinking if i win :)
May 07 16:37:07 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 16:37:10 <muthu> woah i'm your friend jasta
May 07 16:37:24 <muthu> where's the party?
May 07 16:37:26 <jasta> the original plan was that i would find out on Monday, then we'd go out and it would either be drinks on me or drinks for me
May 07 16:37:43 <ligi> lol
May 07 16:37:43 <muthu> haha
May 07 16:37:59 <jasta> bbl
May 07 16:38:11 <muthu> jasta: wait
May 07 16:39:24 <michaelnovakjr__> i would just like confirmation that its not going to be today
May 07 16:39:26 <michaelnovakjr__> that's al
May 07 16:39:35 <muthu> its today
May 07 16:39:46 <muthu> unless something terrible happened
May 07 16:39:56 <michaelnovakjr__> define terrible
May 07 16:39:58 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 16:40:08 <michaelnovakjr__> cause i see it as anything other than the results
May 07 16:41:05 <muthu> terrible is anything that doesn't let the results come out
May 07 16:41:19 <ligi> muthu: lawyers?
May 07 16:41:20 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl !!! results no go today?
May 07 16:41:38 <muthu> yeah something like that
May 07 16:41:41 <muthu> lawyers.. judges
May 07 16:42:52 <muthu> are we doing software? or crime??
May 07 16:43:27 <ligi> morrildl: or even partial results ( e.g. for those who are definetly out )
May 07 16:43:44 <muthu> lets start a revolt!
May 07 16:44:04 <michaelnovakjr__> that's like ants climbing the empire state building
May 07 16:45:14 <muthu> may be the results are out
May 07 16:45:23 <michaelnovakjr__> yea right
May 07 16:45:34 <michaelnovakjr__> holy crap!
May 07 16:45:57 <ligi> *?*
May 07 16:46:15 <michaelnovakjr__> i was saying holy crap what bs :)
May 07 16:46:43 <michaelnovakjr__> 2 hours and 14 minutes
May 07 16:47:13 <michaelnovakjr__> 2 hours and 13 minutes
May 07 16:47:20 <Dougie187> hah
May 07 16:47:29 <Dougie187> +/- 2 days
May 07 16:47:42 <michaelnovakjr__> not everyone posts their margin of error :)
May 07 16:47:54 <Dougie187> like weathermen
May 07 16:47:56 <muthu> crap the best of the minds can really turn into junkyard sometimes
May 07 16:47:58 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:48:20 <muthu> michaelnovakjr you are in talks with weathermen?
May 07 16:48:25 <michaelnovakjr__> nope
May 07 16:49:20 <michaelnovakjr__> we should find morrildl, i mean we are all computer nerds.... could it really be that hard?
May 07 16:49:41 <jasta> actually, i know someone that works in his office
May 07 16:49:48 <michaelnovakjr__> i bet he is at work
May 07 16:49:48 <jasta> i could just have him walk over and ask ;)
May 07 16:49:51 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:50:12 <muthu> jasta: what are you waiting for?
May 07 16:50:14 <michaelnovakjr__> i'd say he is at work
May 07 16:50:15 <ligi> jasta: do it
May 07 16:50:16 <muthu> call him
May 07 16:50:17 <ligi> go go go
May 07 16:50:20 <jasta> i would love to see the look on his face if some stranger at Google walked up to Dan and said "jasta sent you a privmsg."
May 07 16:50:36 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 16:50:49 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 16:50:56 <muthu> hey, romain guy fiddling with applets
May 07 16:51:06 <muthu> http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-05-2008/jw-05-applets.html
May 07 16:51:07 <michaelnovakjr__> his reaction would be.... damn irc
May 07 16:51:27 <muthu> jasta: do it
May 07 16:51:31 <muthu> we'll get some info
May 07 16:51:35 <muthu> dan will be game for it
May 07 16:51:39 <jasta> nah
May 07 16:51:44 <jasta> i am just very certain that it wont be today so
May 07 16:51:54 <muthu> how are you certain?
May 07 16:52:39 <jasta> call it skepticism
May 07 16:52:58 <muthu> you being certain that its not coming out makes me certain the results are today
May 07 16:53:00 <jasta> today would be the earliest possible that we would reasonable expect the announcement
May 07 16:53:14 <jasta> it just seems too good to be true.  google is all about disappointing us ;)
May 07 16:53:16 <michaelnovakjr__> announcement
May 07 16:53:24 <muthu> right
May 07 16:53:31 <michaelnovakjr__> announcement: another announcement will follow soon :)
May 07 16:53:57 <jasta> reasonably*, i meant
May 07 16:54:52 <Dougie187> i wonder if i will find out that my laptop is fixed before you find out who won the ADC
May 07 16:55:11 <Dougie187> still not yet.
May 07 16:55:12 <Dougie187> :(
May 07 16:56:31 <michaelnovakjr__> i am way to antsy
May 07 16:57:03 <Dougie187> no offense guys/
May 07 16:57:08 <Dougie187> but im gunnin for muthu to win
May 07 16:57:19 <jasta> why?
May 07 16:57:25 <Dougie187> because he said he would buy me a new laptop if i won
May 07 16:57:29 <jasta> lol
May 07 16:57:31 <Dougie187> i mean if he won
May 07 16:59:35 <muthu> WON!!!
May 07 16:59:40 <muthu> YOHOOHOHHO!!
May 07 17:00:14 <michaelnovakjr__> shut up :)
May 07 17:00:26 <muthu> hehe
May 07 17:00:30 <michaelnovakjr__> i lost
May 07 17:01:08 <muthu> shut up :)
May 07 17:01:16 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 17:01:23 <michaelnovakjr__> but seriously, i lost
May 07 17:01:32 <muthu> how you know?
May 07 17:01:40 <michaelnovakjr__> trust me, i know
May 07 17:01:50 <muthu> you mean, server hits?>
May 07 17:02:07 <michaelnovakjr__> ha, i haven't had a server hit since a week from sunday
May 07 17:02:12 <michaelnovakjr__> not going by that
May 07 17:02:52 <michaelnovakjr__> i just don't think i won
May 07 17:03:19 <muthu> anything can happen
May 07 17:03:25 <muthu> people who think they've won
May 07 17:03:29 <muthu> may be surprised too
May 07 17:03:33 <michaelnovakjr__> well, yea pigs fly
May 07 17:03:36 <dmoffett> I think there are a lot of good ideas that will not win.
May 07 17:03:52 <muthu> yeah possible
May 07 17:03:59 <ligi> michaelnovakjr__: would be a nice post to the callenge group topic:"I'm out" - would confuse a lot of people
May 07 17:04:09 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 17:04:38 <dmoffett> There will be some debatable winners.
May 07 17:04:56 <muthu> there'll be controversy
May 07 17:04:58 <muthu> for sure
May 07 17:05:03 <muthu> which is part of any challenge
May 07 17:05:35 <dmoffett> There are judges not stop watches.
May 07 17:06:22 <dmoffett> The real winners imo will be the app my Mom has to have on her phone.
May 07 17:06:35 <dmoffett> or my wife for that matter.
May 07 17:06:40 <michaelnovakjr__> ah, morrildl.... nothing for today?
May 07 17:06:52 <muthu> dmoffett: how about cooking?
May 07 17:06:59 <dmoffett> I love food.
May 07 17:07:03 <ligi> ^^
May 07 17:07:09 <dmoffett> Can we see your app?
May 07 17:07:39 <muthu> my captain decides that :-)
May 07 17:08:06 <ligi> oh captain my captain
May 07 17:08:18 <muthu> right now she is busy patenting all her cooking ideas!!!1
May 07 17:08:29 <Kraln> muthu: should I start charging you yet?
May 07 17:08:42 <muthu> Kraln: hold on buddy
May 07 17:09:05 <muthu> but tell me when you want to really start
May 07 17:09:33 <muthu> Kraln: really soon
May 07 17:09:39 <Kraln> cause honestly, you should be already being charged. =p
May 07 17:09:45 <muthu> lol
May 07 17:09:52 <Kraln> we both know it
May 07 17:09:56 <muthu> give me some leeway for this poor dude
May 07 17:10:06 <Kraln> I've even given you tech support!
May 07 17:10:15 <muthu> Kraln: you rock
May 07 17:10:22 <muthu> hold on for this week
May 07 17:11:52 <muthu> you can start charging me as soon as i get my 25k :-)
May 07 17:12:07 <dmoffett> I would like to know of the top 50 which ones will make money or even last 3 years.  That will be interesting and reflect how valid the contest is at finding viable software companies.
May 07 17:12:22 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 17:12:29 <muthu> dmoffett: true, the judging criteria will be watched
May 07 17:12:38 <muthu> there'll be postmortems
May 07 17:12:39 <michaelnovakjr__> i need to get away from the computer! this suspense is killing me
May 07 17:13:22 <dmoffett> Like you I am very tense even though I a pretty sure I am out of the top 100.
May 07 17:13:24 <muthu> Kraln: how's your IRC stuff going on
May 07 17:13:38 <muthu> dmoffett: what's your app?
May 07 17:13:51 <dmoffett> player for vizzvox.com
May 07 17:14:03 <muthu> arghhh
May 07 17:14:06 <muthu> keep forgetting
May 07 17:14:23 <Dougie187> go play some halo michaelnovakjr
May 07 17:14:32 <dmoffett> Krain: will you take questions on irc ?
May 07 17:14:38 <Kraln> muthu: my irc stuff is going well
May 07 17:14:54 <Kraln> I think I'm actually going to design some chat middleware that people can integrate into their games, programs, etc
May 07 17:15:06 <muthu> Kraln: do that
May 07 17:15:10 <muthu> we might need something
May 07 17:15:16 <muthu> i'm using xmpp/jabber for now
May 07 17:15:21 <Kraln> jabber is balls.
May 07 17:15:25 * Kraln coughs
May 07 17:15:28 <Kraln> wait
May 07 17:15:29 <Kraln> no
May 07 17:15:36 <muthu> haha
May 07 17:15:47 <dmoffett> balls != good?
May 07 17:15:52 <Kraln> <xml spec=crap><user=kraln><action>coughs</action></user></xml>
May 07 17:16:09 <Kraln> imagine if tcp/ip was as verbose as xml
May 07 17:16:16 <muthu> Kraln: what would you use instead of xml?
May 07 17:16:42 <Kraln> muthu: for what, chat? either binary protocol or delimited fields with commands
May 07 17:17:02 <Kraln> the former being smaller than the latter
May 07 17:17:22 <rhett> no annoucements today :(
May 07 17:19:13 <ligi> rhett: the day iss not over yet
May 07 17:19:55 <Kraln> its not even noon in mountain view
May 07 17:20:43 <jasta> there is WbXML, too.
May 07 17:20:56 <jasta> which is quite compact if you utilize a WbXML code page as well
May 07 17:21:35 <chadkouse> jasta did you get my privmsg ?
May 07 17:22:06 <jasta> no, hang on, i just noticed it now
May 07 17:24:39 <rhett> jasta, how are you feeling about your app?
May 07 17:24:45 <jasta> meh
May 07 17:24:50 <rhett> does your phone home?
May 07 17:25:11 <jasta> yeah, and i havent gotten any hits in a while
May 07 17:25:17 <rhett> i should have just put some code in my app to have it ping one of my servers
May 07 17:25:58 <jasta> iw ill say that even if i don't win, my app will be significant for the android platform.
May 07 17:26:18 <jasta> i have no intentions of stopping or slowing down.
May 07 17:27:44 <Kraln> I'm shifting the focus of my application
May 07 17:28:00 <Kraln> it will also be signficant, and provide significant services on android, blackberry, and iphone...
May 07 17:28:02 <jasta> and i am confident that i will see a significant user base once launched.
May 07 17:28:09 * Kraln sees jasta
May 07 17:28:23 <rhett> I think morrildl said that the judges' scores were due back today, so I would expect an annoucement tomorrow or friday
May 07 17:28:28 <jasta> but the ADC is less predictable than that :)
May 07 17:28:30 * Kraln waves his hands mysteriously: "You want to purchase webhosting"
May 07 17:28:54 <jasta> Kraln: no, i don't think my app could avoid legal troubles if it was hosted intermediately.
May 07 17:29:07 <Kraln> I meant, just for your site/community
May 07 17:30:52 <jasta> oh, that will be hosted on google code for at least a while :)
May 07 17:33:16 <michaelnovakjr__> geez google is quiet today
May 07 17:33:47 <muthu> very quiet
May 07 17:33:47 <michaelnovakjr__> not even a blog post saying haha we know and you dont :)
May 07 17:34:00 <jasta> i bet the SDK is coming soon too ;)
May 07 17:34:02 <muthu> does dan have a blog?
May 07 17:34:08 <muthu> why's he not blogging?
May 07 17:34:31 <muthu> jasta:  you've been saying this for sooo long!
May 07 17:34:37 <michaelnovakjr__> even romainguy__ ducked into hiding it seems
May 07 17:34:45 <romainguy__> I was busy working
May 07 17:34:50 <romainguy__> and now I am at JavaOne
May 07 17:35:11 <michaelnovakjr__> oh cool
May 07 17:35:56 <jasta> muthu: well honestly, the lack of noise about the SDK surprises me much more than the ADC
May 07 17:36:08 <rhett> when do we expect a new SDK?
May 07 17:36:10 <muthu> the sdk will come with the results
May 07 17:36:14 <jasta> in 6 months, we have seen 3 significant releases?
May 07 17:36:24 <rhett> oh you know everything somehow muthu
May 07 17:36:24 <muthu> so the janta can be happy atleast with the new sdk
May 07 17:36:42 <muthu> rhett:  haha
May 07 17:36:48 <muthu> just follow me for a while
May 07 17:36:51 <muthu> you'll understand
May 07 17:36:54 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, are they giving away money with the sdk?
May 07 17:37:18 <rhett> I wonder if phase 1 round 2 will require the new sdk
May 07 17:37:27 <muthu> yes
May 07 17:37:44 <michaelnovakjr__> it requires you to write a new app
May 07 17:37:55 <michaelnovakjr__> and if it isn't as good as the first they take back your $25K
May 07 17:38:21 <muthu> haha
May 07 17:38:58 <michaelnovakjr__> so don't spend it on the life size deathstar just yet :)
May 07 17:40:08 <michaelnovakjr__> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/04/adc-results-announced-november2009.html
May 07 17:41:03 <michaelnovakjr__> i lost
May 07 17:41:53 <Dougie187> i already put a down payment on my deathstar though.
May 07 17:42:12 <michaelnovakjr__> hope you have another really good idea then :)
May 07 17:42:19 <Dougie187> I dont know..
May 07 17:42:29 <Dougie187> i am brain dead now, all i can think about is my deathstar
May 07 17:42:32 <Dougie187> and how much i love it
May 07 17:43:12 <Dougie187> i could easily cross the line with this, but i think i will stop here
May 07 17:43:38 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 17:45:48 <muthu> OUT!
May 07 17:46:11 <michaelnovakjr__> out of where?
May 07 17:46:14 <michaelnovakjr__> your mind?
May 07 17:46:28 <muthu> tendulkar out
May 07 17:46:30 <muthu> in cricket
May 07 17:46:32 <muthu> hehe
May 07 17:51:55 <michaelnovakjr__> aah morrildl, where are you?
May 07 17:52:40 <michaelnovakjr__> at least monday we knew it wasn't happening
May 07 17:52:46 <michaelnovakjr__> today, well that is just mean!!
May 07 17:53:09 <ligi> michaelnovakjr__: perhaps he is writing the result mails
May 07 17:53:27 <michaelnovakjr__> ::wishful thinking::
May 07 17:53:29 <muthu> he's putting the final touches
May 07 17:53:30 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 17:54:12 <ligi> BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD BE LOUDER
May 07 17:54:25 <michaelnovakjr__> grabbing my mega-phone
May 07 17:54:28 <ligi> RESULTS
May 07 17:54:30 <ligi> NOW
May 07 17:57:09 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl
May 07 17:58:47 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl
May 07 17:59:03 <jerkface03> are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?
May 07 17:59:23 <jerkface03> michaelnovakjr__: time to start a violent riot?
May 07 17:59:23 <muthu> show us the results
May 07 18:00:25 <michaelnovakjr__> getting out my riot gear
May 07 18:00:32 <ligi> jerkface03: no violence please
May 07 18:00:42 <muthu> let there be blooooood
May 07 18:00:47 <ligi> but riot iss ok
May 07 18:00:51 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 18:01:34 <michaelnovakjr__> knock knock morrildl
May 07 18:01:46 <ligi> MORRIDL
May 07 18:03:13 <michaelnovakjr__> 57 minutes
May 07 18:03:21 <jerkface03> lets all /notice him at the same time
May 07 18:03:31 <ligi> 3
May 07 18:03:32 <ligi> 2
May 07 18:03:32 <ligi> 1
May 07 18:03:34 <ligi> notice
May 07 18:03:47 <jerkface03> lol
May 07 18:04:07 <michaelnovakjr__> uh, didn't work
May 07 18:04:58 * michaelnovakjr__ :)
May 07 18:05:11 <ligi> on adc II i'll write an apk which spyes on the judges - and sell infos before they come from google - would be worth more than the 25.000
May 07 18:05:24 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 18:05:27 * michaelnovakjr__ grinning
May 07 18:06:11 <ligi> scanning the judges pc for *adc*results*.*
May 07 18:06:17 <michaelnovakjr__> hurry up!
May 07 18:06:17 <muthu> haha
May 07 18:06:30 <ligi> what would jo pay for this info?
May 07 18:06:39 * michaelnovakjr__ shouts out to morrildl
May 07 18:07:52 * ligi shouts too
May 07 18:08:20 <muthu> hey, i was out like 2 secs.. any new news?
May 07 18:08:25 <Lede> lol
May 07 18:08:33 <jerkface03> it's out
May 07 18:08:35 <jerkface03> check the website
May 07 18:08:37 <jerkface03> SYKE
May 07 18:08:44 <Lede> F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5!
May 07 18:08:44 <michaelnovakjr__> jerkface!
May 07 18:10:26 <Lede> "Due to lack of quality in the submissions we have decided to cancel the ADC."
May 07 18:10:37 <Lede> yay \o/
May 07 18:10:41 <ligi> Lede: LoL
May 07 18:11:30 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl ... morrildl
May 07 18:12:00 <ligi> so i'll leave the office now and fly home - expecting results when i come home !-)
May 07 18:12:03 <ligi> cya all
May 07 18:12:19 <jerkface03> don't go
May 07 18:14:25 <michaelnovakjr__> i need to walk away
May 07 18:14:32 <michaelnovakjr__> i am going crazy and doing no work
May 07 18:15:11 <muthu> michaelnovakjr you are not alone
May 07 18:15:52 <rhett> yeah, i wish there was a way to know if we're at least in the top 100
May 07 18:16:09 <rhett> michaelnovakjr__ is your app phoning home?
May 07 18:26:35 <michaelnovakjr__> i am ready now morrildl
May 07 18:32:25 <f00f-> i think morrildl is working hard to get the results to us since morrildl believes in quick results to contests and morridl can't wait to tell us who placed in the top 50, isn't that right morrildl? :)
May 07 18:32:51 <muthu> good night folks
May 07 18:33:00 <muthu> let me know if the results are out :)
May 07 18:33:05 <f00f-> nn
May 07 18:36:04 <michaelnovakjr__> i am going to lose it before finding out these results
May 07 18:36:18 <michaelnovakjr__> or maybe i have already lost it
May 07 18:37:10 <f00f-> i lost and i need to regain it
May 07 18:43:08 <michaelnovakjr__> 17 minutes
May 07 18:44:45 <michaelnovakjr__> 15 minutes
May 07 18:45:42 <f00f-> expecting something at noon?
May 07 18:45:59 <f00f-> how about we do a countdown every hour until the results are announced
May 07 18:46:47 <tomgibara> It's surely unlikely that the results will be announced today if the judges are only reporting their scores today.
May 07 18:47:16 <tomgibara> but I wish they would
May 07 18:47:49 <tomgibara> even though my rational brain hemisphere knows I've not won, the irrational half won't listen
May 07 18:56:44 <michaelnovakjr__> 4 minutes
May 07 18:57:14 <michaelnovakjr__> 3 minutes
May 07 18:57:19 <_Marvin_> ?
May 07 18:57:56 <_Marvin_> My grand mother lastname is Novak :)
May 07 18:58:54 <michaelnovakjr__> two minutes
May 07 18:59:00 <michaelnovakjr__> oh yea?
May 07 18:59:15 <michaelnovakjr__> one minute!!
May 07 19:00:03 <_Marvin_> ok it's noon in california, that's what you are saying? :)
May 07 19:00:06 <michaelnovakjr__> lift off!!!
May 07 19:00:09 <michaelnovakjr__> haha yes
May 07 19:00:36 <michaelnovakjr__> 3 hours
May 07 19:01:33 <_Marvin_> :) nice try
May 07 19:01:39 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 19:01:50 <michaelnovakjr__> my bet is 3 pm
May 07 19:02:08 <f00f-> i'll place multiple bets, every hour
May 07 19:02:18 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 19:02:29 <_Marvin_> we should change the channel title to : Release the winner list or alse the kitten gets it :)
May 07 19:02:35 <michaelnovakjr__> 3pm, enough time to get the scores and tally them up
May 07 19:02:44 <michaelnovakjr__> yes!!
May 07 19:02:52 <f00f-> maybe the deadline was to have them in by EOB today?
May 07 19:03:05 <michaelnovakjr__> i would say no
May 07 19:03:10 <f00f-> and legal is always slow
May 07 19:03:45 <michaelnovakjr__> so the channel title will be: Release the winner list or alse the legal  team gets it
May 07 19:03:59 <f00f-> sounds good
May 07 19:04:30 <_Marvin_> EOB ? Explanation of Benefit ? :) End Of Block? Essence Of Beauty? :)
May 07 19:04:33 <f00f-> loo
May 07 19:04:36 <f00f-> end of business
May 07 19:04:40 <_Marvin_> ha :)
May 07 19:04:43 <_Marvin_> thx:)
May 07 19:05:16 <_Marvin_> It looks like testing was done really until yesterday
May 07 19:05:41 <michaelnovakjr__> maybe yesterday was the last day..... i mean shit or get off the pot
May 07 19:05:59 <_Marvin_> a full day to do double check ratings and build the list tomorrow is legal .... well.
May 07 19:06:00 <f00f-> heh
May 07 19:06:17 <michaelnovakjr__> na.... today 3pm pst
May 07 19:06:29 <michaelnovakjr__> or maybe even 4pm pst
May 07 19:06:35 <_Marvin_> :)
May 07 19:06:42 <_Marvin_> 6pm?
May 07 19:06:43 <michaelnovakjr__> i'd say 3pm pst sounds better
May 07 19:06:49 <f00f-> PDT, to be fully clear
May 07 19:07:03 <f00f-> don't give them an hour of wiggle room :P
May 07 19:07:05 <michaelnovakjr__> maybe i meant pst :)
May 07 19:07:07 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 19:11:34 <rhett> you think today michaelnovakjr__?
May 07 19:12:41 <ligi> re re results?
May 07 19:12:57 <f00f-> if not today, definitely tomorrow, no joke
May 07 19:13:19 <ligi> f00f-: source?
May 07 19:14:23 <f00f-> ligi: my left brain & muthu's median date point
May 07 19:14:36 <ligi> lol
May 07 19:15:14 <rhett> ok, if you actually read what morrildl said, he said judges scores were due in today, and judges are from all sorts of countries, so who knows what they think "today" is
May 07 19:15:26 <michaelnovakjr__> released
May 07 19:15:29 <rhett> my prediction is late thurs/friday
May 07 19:15:54 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl:
May 07 19:17:06 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl morrildl morrildl mor
May 07 19:17:33 <f00f-> man, it's getting pumped up in here
May 07 19:17:43 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 07 19:17:57 <michaelnovakjr__> monday at least we knew it wasn't happening
May 07 19:18:13 <michaelnovakjr__> so it was more disappointment.... but now its pure hype
May 07 19:18:17 <rhett> it's because muthu told everyone it woudl be today
May 07 19:18:26 <michaelnovakjr__> damn muthu
May 07 19:18:32 <rhett> and we all want to believe him
May 07 19:18:45 <michaelnovakjr__> i want to unplug his computer
May 07 19:18:50 <f00f-> well he does have the loser post up on hello android
May 07 19:18:54 <f00f-> `we are all losers`
May 07 19:19:01 <f00f-> so it's comforting to know it so early
May 07 19:19:30 <michaelnovakjr__> a little confirmation on the date wouldn't hurt
May 07 19:19:57 <michaelnovakjr__> 2 hours and 41 minutes
May 07 19:20:38 <_Marvin_> ok guys, I suggest we create a super contest
May 07 19:20:45 <_Marvin_> about the final release of the list
May 07 19:21:14 <michaelnovakjr__> may 32, 2008
May 07 19:21:17 <michaelnovakjr__> that is my pick
May 07 19:21:19 <_Marvin_> and of course nobody from google of afiliated companies can participate :)
May 07 19:21:41 <_Marvin_> the grand prize would be... uuuh..the kitten
May 07 19:21:50 <michaelnovakjr__> dead or alive?
May 07 19:22:10 <_Marvin_> I like kittens ;) so I would say alive :)
May 07 19:22:20 <michaelnovakjr__> cool
May 07 19:22:33 <_Marvin_> it's a grand prize... you may then decide if the kitten gets it or not :)
May 07 19:22:42 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 19:23:08 <_Marvin_> ok my best guess is tomorrow noon
May 07 19:23:17 <michaelnovakjr__> damnit
May 07 19:23:24 <michaelnovakjr__> google should just tell us when
May 07 19:23:36 <michaelnovakjr__> its not like its a surprise
May 07 19:23:43 <michaelnovakjr__> we know they are going to announce it
May 07 19:24:14 <michaelnovakjr__> atleast everyone wouldn't be going completely crazy
May 07 19:24:31 * michaelnovakjr__ puts an emphasis on completely
May 07 19:24:37 <f00f-> folks, it was all a joke.
May 07 19:24:41 <f00f-> there was no contest.
May 07 19:24:44 <f00f-> it just a dog and pony show.
May 07 19:24:45 <_Marvin_> you got some hit on your server ?
May 07 19:25:11 <f00f-> i never got a hit, i'm pretty much fscked.
May 07 19:25:17 <_Marvin_> explain this to us f00f
May 07 19:25:21 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 19:25:36 <f00f-> morrildl mentioned one app that didn't work out
May 07 19:25:39 <f00f-> or something to that effect
May 07 19:25:41 <f00f-> i bet it was mine :/
May 07 19:26:05 <_Marvin_> ho, what was doing your app?
May 07 19:26:11 <f00f-> i always mess up some mundane little detail
May 07 19:26:33 <f00f-> _Marvin_: just some LBS stuff
May 07 19:26:53 <Dougie187> you guys are crazy
May 07 19:27:12 <michaelnovakjr__> yes we are
May 07 19:27:26 <michaelnovakjr__> i am not ashamed to admit i am crazy right now
May 07 19:28:26 <michaelnovakjr__> i would love to know where morrildl is hiding
May 07 19:29:13 * f00f- is taking a lunch break from all this lunacy
May 07 19:29:33 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 19:30:25 <_Marvin_> when you think about it, rating 1788 application, it's huge
May 07 19:30:41 <michaelnovakjr__> yes, and they were down to 100 last week
May 07 19:31:11 <_Marvin_> maybe the hardest part is this 100->50 phase
May 07 19:31:41 <michaelnovakjr__> its definitely the hardest par
May 07 19:31:41 <michaelnovakjr__> t
May 07 19:31:54 <_Marvin_> they technicaly have to remove one good app out of 2 good app
May 07 19:32:14 <_Marvin_> maybe some choices are difficult make... dunno
May 07 19:38:51 <rhett> so, I imagine nothing changed in the past 4 minutes?
May 07 19:41:23 <_Marvin_> nope
May 07 19:41:36 <_Marvin_> the kitten was adopted by f00f
May 07 19:41:55 <jasta> yawn
May 07 19:43:13 <jasta> can we just shrug this off until the winners are announced?
May 07 19:43:24 <Lede> no!
May 07 19:43:26 <jasta> please?
May 07 19:43:33 * Lede makes more posts on the forum
May 07 19:43:49 <Lede> :o)
May 07 19:45:00 <rhett> whoa, did morrildl just do something?
May 07 19:45:06 <_Marvin_> agreed jasta, but it was funny playing with the cat though
May 07 19:45:26 <_Marvin_> haha :)
May 07 19:45:30 <jasta> That topic seems dirty ;)
May 07 19:45:38 <Lede> morrildl evolved and is trying to learn tail whip
May 07 19:45:45 <Lede> but he can't learn any more moves
May 07 19:45:52 <Lede> remove one move to learn tail whip?
May 07 19:46:00 <poffy> yes
May 07 19:46:16 <poffy> Remove Fissure
May 07 19:46:23 <Lede> which move: irc, develop, eat, sleep
May 07 19:46:29 <poffy> sleep
May 07 19:46:41 <Lede> morrildl unlearned sleep and learned tail whip!
May 07 19:47:08 <rhett> please tell us if we are at least top 100 ... :(
May 07 19:47:11 <Lede> *pokemon town music*
May 07 19:47:35 <rhett> i'm seriously unable to do anything until these results are announced
May 07 19:48:07 * morrildl is a Steel and Fight type
May 07 19:48:19 <rhett> morrildl, tell us something!
May 07 19:48:23 <rhett> please!
May 07 19:48:43 <jasta> argh, just drop it :)
May 07 19:48:47 <jasta> please, we'll all feel better
May 07 19:49:40 <rhett> well, phone-home apps know if they're top 100.  Shouldn't non-phone-home apps be allowed to know that too?
May 07 19:49:46 <_Marvin_> The first one to give a name to the cat could win a few points ... ;)
May 07 19:49:59 <jasta> rhett: he isn't going to tell you anything :)
May 07 19:50:49 <jasta> morrildl: so, how's life anyway? :)
May 07 19:50:57 <jasta> how was absinthe and guitar hero, even?
May 07 19:51:31 <_Marvin_> jasta: can we just shrug this off until tomorrow? :)
May 07 19:51:58 <jasta> no, until the announcement :)
May 07 19:52:11 <Lede> which is friday
May 07 19:52:25 <Lede> right morrildl? :P
May 07 19:53:20 <morrildl> jasta: you know, I actually went home, started to read my copy of Make, and just passed out
May 07 19:53:25 <morrildl> ....without the absinthe I mean
May 07 19:53:39 <jasta> what's make?
May 07 19:53:45 <rhett> make magazine
May 07 19:53:49 <morrildl> yes, that
May 07 19:53:56 <rhett> o'reilly publishing
May 07 19:54:20 <jasta> ohh, neat
May 07 19:54:38 <rhett> yeah, like half my friends have written articles for that
May 07 19:55:22 <rhett> maybe I should subscribe
May 07 19:55:34 <rhett> oh gosh this channel is so useless until we get the results
May 07 19:55:35 <michaelnovakjr__> i'm tired now
May 07 19:55:56 <jasta> maybe we should all just /part?
May 07 19:56:04 <michaelnovakjr__> it would be nice to know they aren't coming out today?
May 07 19:56:25 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 19:56:30 <Dougie187> and your still going.
May 07 19:56:34 <michaelnovakjr__> :) yep
May 07 19:56:36 <rhett> hey, so seriously, what's a good way to refresh a view based on keypad input?
May 07 19:56:51 <rhett> I used the trick that lunarlander uses, and it takes a lot of cpu
May 07 19:57:03 <_Marvin_> what trick?
May 07 19:57:05 <rhett> they optimized the cpu by just updating the area around the lander
May 07 19:57:24 <_Marvin_> oh
May 07 19:57:53 <Dougie187> you play any halo yet michaelnovakjr?
May 07 19:57:58 <michaelnovakjr__> not yet
May 07 19:58:04 <Dougie187> you should
May 07 19:58:05 <michaelnovakjr__> i was working on my stuff last night
May 07 19:58:08 <Dougie187> it would get your mind off
May 07 19:58:13 <Dougie187> this adc stuff
May 07 19:58:13 <michaelnovakjr__> doubt it
May 07 19:58:17 <Dougie187> it totally would
May 07 19:58:18 <michaelnovakjr__> i am officially nuts
May 07 19:58:21 <Dougie187> you would be focused on killing people
May 07 19:58:24 <Dougie187> yeah i knew that
May 07 19:58:25 <Dougie187> last week
May 07 19:58:27 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 19:58:35 <Dougie187> no info on my laptop still
May 07 19:58:40 <Dougie187> lol its driving me nuts.
May 07 19:58:45 <michaelnovakjr__> it actually messes with my game
May 07 19:58:50 <Dougie187> hah
May 07 19:58:53 <Dougie187> did you play COD?
May 07 19:58:55 <Dougie187> and lose?
May 07 19:59:02 <michaelnovakjr__> i stink at CoD... all the more reason to release the results!
May 07 19:59:02 <rhett> _Marvin_,    protected void onDraw(Canvas canvas) {...invalidate(); canvas.restore()};
May 07 20:00:40 <Dougie187> you should work on something else to calm your nerves.
May 07 20:00:41 <Dougie187> lol
May 07 20:00:59 <michaelnovakjr__> i am, i am working on nagging
May 07 20:01:06 <morrildl> we are chasing down the last few scores now, so it won't be today :(
May 07 20:01:17 <Dougie187> you have your answer michaelnovakjr
May 07 20:01:19 <poffy> Tomorrow? :O
May 07 20:01:22 <rhett> thanks for the info morrildl !
May 07 20:01:23 <michaelnovakjr__> can you smack those judges over the head morrildl
May 07 20:01:26 <morrildl> Possibly it will be tomorrow, but I expect Friday
May 07 20:01:27 <poffy> Next week? :O
May 07 20:01:31 <poffy> Next month?
May 07 20:01:32 * morrildl would definitely enjoy doing so ;)
May 07 20:01:37 <rhett> holycow, real info!
May 07 20:01:43 <morrildl> No, results will be out this week
May 07 20:01:44 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl, good man!
May 07 20:01:58 <michaelnovakjr__> fine gentleman sir!
May 07 20:02:02 <Dougie187> how many scores are you waiting on?
May 07 20:02:14 <morrildl> but given the choice between bonking someone on the head (however gratifying), and sleeping, I think I would sleep
May 07 20:02:15 <michaelnovakjr__> probably one dumbass judge
May 07 20:03:15 <michaelnovakjr__> its always usually 1 in these cases
May 07 20:03:22 <Dougie187> weren't they supposed to put the list of judges up somewhere?
May 07 20:03:23 <michaelnovakjr__> its a luck thing :)
May 07 20:03:30 <michaelnovakjr__> with names and addresses
May 07 20:03:32 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 07 20:03:36 <Dougie187> so you could mail them chocolates and your submission id number?
May 07 20:03:42 <rhett> i guess they can't tell us if we're top 100, because then we could use that to advertise our app or something saying "We were top 100 in the ADC, blah blah blah"
May 07 20:03:45 <poffy> I was planning on doing that :(
May 07 20:03:55 <Dougie187> heh
May 07 20:04:00 <Dougie187> sending a hooker.
May 07 20:04:02 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 20:04:09 <Dougie187> with chocolates
May 07 20:04:28 <michaelnovakjr__> edible arrangements :)
May 07 20:04:31 <poffy> chocolate hooker?
May 07 20:04:32 <Dougie187> that way if they dont want the hooker they can take the chocolates.
May 07 20:04:35 <Dougie187> there ya go
May 07 20:05:08 <poffy> Strange images...
May 07 20:05:19 <Dougie187> hey does someone want to go to toshiba's depot and fix my laptop for me? and then mail it back?
May 07 20:05:23 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl, we can certainly chase down the remaining judges for you :) free of charge
May 07 20:05:31 <Dougie187> it would be greatly appreciated.
May 07 20:05:45 <michaelnovakjr__> haha Dougie187, should have gotten a mac!
May 07 20:05:55 <Dougie187> lol yeah you have roughly 80 insane people sitting here, blood thirsty
May 07 20:06:00 <Dougie187> eh, i dont like macs
May 07 20:06:06 <morrildl> Dougie187: we plan to put the list up once judging is over.  We don't want people bribing the judges while judging is still ongoing. ;)
May 07 20:06:09 <Dougie187> i cant get past the single click
May 07 20:06:11 <jasta> hmm
May 07 20:06:18 <jasta> did i just hear morrildl say that we get nothing this week?
May 07 20:06:26 <Dougie187> no he said it would be this week
May 07 20:06:28 <Dougie187> he expects friday
May 07 20:06:30 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 20:06:30 <Dougie187> but possibly tomorrow
May 07 20:06:30 <morrildl> jasta: no, on Friday
May 07 20:06:37 <jasta> oh, there was a comma :)
May 07 20:06:54 <jasta> that's what i expected, actually
May 07 20:06:56 <michaelnovakjr__> by friday he means in a few minutes
May 07 20:07:06 <Dougie187> true, it is friday in california
May 07 20:07:33 <jasta> we really have no choice but to assume we won and keep working
May 07 20:07:37 <jasta> because round 2 is right around the corner :)
May 07 20:07:44 <Dougie187> when is round two due?
May 07 20:07:56 <jasta> june 30th
May 07 20:08:03 <Dougie187> jeez
May 07 20:08:08 <Dougie187> and it has to be completely unique?!
May 07 20:08:09 <jasta> yeah, exactly :)
May 07 20:08:10 <Dougie187> (j/k)
May 07 20:08:28 <morrildl> "It's always Friday in California"
May 07 20:08:37 <morrildl> (brought to you by the California State Tourism Board)
May 07 20:09:01 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl, with round 2 coming up, you should announce the top 100
May 07 20:09:08 <michaelnovakjr__> and emphasize the one who is 51
May 07 20:09:45 * jasta is excited to go to I/O
May 07 20:09:53 <jasta> but i'm curious what this after hours at Google business is all about :)
May 07 20:10:38 <Dougie187> morrildl: then that renders your previous comment about when results would be release usless.
May 07 20:10:44 <Dougie187> because every day is going to be friday for you
May 07 20:10:50 <Dougie187> so of course they would be released on friday.
May 07 20:10:53 <Dougie187> even if it was tomorrow
May 07 20:10:55 <Dougie187> or next week.
May 07 20:12:04 <morrildl> wow
May 07 20:12:08 <morrildl> I had not even thought of that
May 07 20:12:32 <morrildl> Are you guys... like, waiting for something?
May 07 20:12:41 <michaelnovakjr__> yes morrildl
May 07 20:12:43 <morrildl> ;)
May 07 20:12:50 <_Marvin_> ok, who wants the kitten ..
May 07 20:12:51 <_Marvin_> :)
May 07 20:12:51 <michaelnovakjr__> been awake since monday
May 07 20:13:43 <rhett> too bad muthu isn't hear to make some really annoying "BREAKING"  blog post about the friday announcement
May 07 20:13:50 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 07 20:13:50 <rhett> and I can't spell here
May 07 20:14:14 <michaelnovakjr__> that is why morrildl should release the top 100 now......... that way muthu can't get it only seconds after
May 07 20:14:15 <Dougie187> Lol
May 07 20:14:35 <Dougie187> i like how everyone knows muthu
May 07 20:14:48 <jasta> not surprising, he talks a lot
May 07 20:14:53 <jerkface03> so what happend?
May 07 20:14:53 <Dougie187> hes like the one person everyone knows
May 07 20:14:54 <michaelnovakjr__> hha
May 07 20:14:56 <jerkface03> results are here?
May 07 20:14:56 <_Marvin_> ok who wants to get the first post in the challenge forum? :)
May 07 20:14:59 <Dougie187> you lost jerkface03
May 07 20:15:02 <michaelnovakjr__> jerkface03: yes
May 07 20:15:02 <Dougie187> you got 53rd place
May 07 20:15:03 <jerkface03> awesome.
May 07 20:15:12 <michaelnovakjr__> morrildl will confirm with you
May 07 20:15:18 <michaelnovakjr__> off to the bat cave!
May 07 20:15:24 <Dougie187> he said he sent you a private message
May 07 20:15:42 <michaelnovakjr__> adios
May 07 20:16:00 <morrildl> yeah, we're going nto announce all scores via IRC
May 07 20:16:09 <jerkface03> whatever, just HURRY UP
May 07 20:16:11 <ligi> morrildl: great
May 07 20:16:21 <morrildl> you have a registered Freenode account, and if you aren't present when we try and notify you, you lose ;)
May 07 20:17:11 <jerkface03> morrildl: seriously though are you going to have results up by tonight?
May 07 20:17:18 <jerkface03> or is this going to span out for another 3 days?
May 07 20:18:41 <rhett> morrildl, predicts friday
May 07 20:18:51 <_Marvin_> "<morrildl> Possibly it will be tomorrow, but I expect Friday"
May 07 20:19:14 <jerkface03> k
May 07 20:19:35 <jerkface03> and when friday comes around he'll say he didn't tell us WHICH friday
May 07 20:19:49 <ligi> morrildl: but seriously the group of the 1788-100 iss fixed now - can't u informe us?
May 07 20:19:56 <jerkface03> it's all apart of his master plan
May 07 20:19:59 <jerkface03> to make us wait
May 07 20:21:01 <rhett> hey, can we just make that the channel topic, morrild expects friday?
May 07 20:23:01 <_Marvin_> or next week more likely ;)
May 07 20:23:31 <_Marvin_> he said friday, let's asusme it's going to be friday...
May 07 20:24:17 <_Marvin_> but...: "<morrildl> No, results will be out this week"
May 07 20:24:22 <_Marvin_> so....
May 07 20:25:14 <jerkface03> exactly.
May 07 20:25:31 <_Marvin_> lol
May 07 20:26:22 <_Marvin_> :) perfect
May 07 20:27:14 <jasta> morrildl: how annoying is all this, honestly?
May 07 20:27:20 <Lede> morrildl: will people with the same name as terrorists get notified?
May 07 20:31:49 <f00f-> really, it's only a problem if you win
May 07 20:35:42 <jerkface03> you better hope your name isn't osama binladen
May 07 20:36:28 <f00f-> i usually get flagged at airports, so hopefully google doesn't use the FBI Terrorist Screening Database
May 07 20:39:13 <edcba> f00f- of course you got flagged, you *are* a terrorist :)
May 07 20:41:23 <f00f-> i only do acts of code terrorism
May 07 21:55:02 <jjt009> morrildl: hello
May 07 21:55:23 <jjt009> how are things going with the judging?
May 07 21:55:29 <jjt009> have the top 50 been decided?
May 07 21:55:46 <jjt009> and the remaining two days will just be used for legal stuff?
May 07 21:56:12 <Lede> ..
May 07 21:56:29 <jjt009> i was trying to send a pm to morrill
May 07 21:56:33 <jjt009> but i changed my nick instead
May 07 21:56:35 <jjt009> hjmm
May 07 21:56:51 <Lede> nice excuse!
May 07 21:56:54 <jjt009> Lede: what's up
May 07 21:57:03 <jjt009> ok, fine, i aspire to work at google
May 07 21:57:04 <Lede> nothing is up
May 07 21:57:08 <jjt009> NOT
May 07 21:57:24 <Lede> i want to work at google for free
May 07 21:57:34 <jjt009> google is shize
May 07 21:57:41 <jjt009> it's tight
May 07 21:57:56 <jjt009> michaelnovakjr: got any hits?
May 07 21:58:01 <jjt009> anyone got any hits?
May 07 21:58:15 <jjt009> Lede: can you see if you get my pm
May 07 21:58:15 <duey> na
May 07 21:58:25 <jjt009> duey: huh?
May 07 21:58:31 <duey> oh
May 07 21:58:38 <duey> i thought that was a general got any hits call
May 07 21:58:41 <Lede> jjt009: if you have trouble sending pm's make sure you are registered with NickServ and identified
May 07 21:58:51 <jjt009> Lede: how do i do that?
May 07 21:58:58 <duey> /msg nickserv help
May 07 21:59:00 <jjt009> duey: you got any within last two days?
May 07 21:59:04 <duey> nope
May 07 21:59:06 <duey> im out:D
May 07 21:59:10 <Lede> /msg nickserv register <your nick> <password>
May 07 21:59:13 <jjt009> duey: no prob man, so am i
May 07 21:59:30 <jjt009> it's hard to win when you're against such great opponents
May 07 21:59:39 <jjt009> and people who've worked constantly for six months
May 07 21:59:43 <duey> i am predecting there are going to be some very pissed off people
May 07 21:59:58 <duey> jjt009, its going to be worse if a heap of cheesy apps win
May 07 22:00:08 <duey> which i suspect might happen
May 07 22:00:27 <duey> but its all good
May 07 22:00:38 <duey> i was allways aiming for adc2
May 07 22:03:33 <jjt009> ya, definitely man
May 07 22:03:45 <jjt009> i want real devices
May 07 22:03:46 <duey> yep
May 07 22:03:56 <jjt009> actually, one of my current projects is trying to get android onto a razr
May 07 22:04:03 <jjt009> or any other device
May 07 22:04:19 <jjt009> android comes with all the initrd files and stuff, so it should be bootable
May 07 22:04:26 <jjt009> it will just take some effort to get it to work
May 07 22:04:38 <duey> im thinking i might have to switch to iphone because i need to demo this project in front of 100 people and i dont have a device
May 07 22:05:09 <duey> could just port it to n95 i guess that might be easier
May 07 22:05:34 <coderjjt009> true
May 07 22:05:41 <coderjjt009> can you check if you get my pm
May 07 22:05:43 <coderjjt009> one sec
May 07 22:07:17 <coderjjt009> did you get it?
May 07 22:07:20 <duey> yes
May 07 22:07:25 <coderjjt009> cool
May 07 22:07:29 <coderjjt009> thanks
May 07 22:07:58 <coderjjt009> so do you think i could get android onto a real device?
May 07 22:08:12 <duey> umm
May 07 22:08:15 <duey> not sure
May 07 22:08:32 <coderjjt009> i guess it would require the proper architecture
May 07 22:08:34 <coderjjt009> probably arm
May 07 22:08:35 <duey> i guess if you knew the inner workings of the device you are porting to it might be possible
May 07 22:08:51 <coderjjt009> yeah, if only i had an htc or another arm phone
May 07 22:09:06 <coderjjt009> i'll probably have to write drivers
May 07 22:09:43 <duey> you looked in android-internals ?
May 07 22:09:50 <coderjjt009> yeah, a few messages
May 07 22:09:55 <coderjjt009> i should look a bit more
May 07 22:12:23 <Lede> hey romainguy__ and morrildl what is it that google expect from the developers to do with the prize money?
May 07 22:12:40 <Lede> just wondering..
May 07 22:15:06 <duey> Lede, anything they want
May 07 22:15:12 <duey> invest in yahoo!
May 07 22:15:34 <Lede> heh
May 07 22:54:58 <Dougie187> Hello crazy people
May 07 23:04:24 <Lede> hello normal guy
May 07 23:06:12 <Dougie187> hows it going?
May 07 23:10:59 <Lede> everything is going as planned... hehe
May 07 23:11:21 * Lede slowly starts to laugh like a maniac
May 07 23:11:30 <Dougie187> ...
May 07 23:15:05 <jasta> i'm very curious if we will be able to communicate arbitrary data to Android devices via GTalk from an external system
May 07 23:15:21 <jasta> does anyone know if this is currently possible?
May 07 23:15:32 <Dougie187> try it
May 07 23:16:03 <jasta> i wouldn't know where to even begin.  the interface you see from GTalk currently is just XMPP, which would not be capable of sending arbitrary data
May 07 23:16:21 <jasta> but it does seem that GTalk has been extended on Android to support much more
May 07 23:16:43 <jasta> ideally, i'd like to be able to use GTalk to alert devices when new content is available from the server
May 07 23:16:50 <jasta> so that they could connect back and synchronize
May 07 23:17:06 <jasta> but i can't see how that would work currently
May 07 23:17:12 <jasta> perhaps i will harrass them about this at Google I/O
May 07 23:17:53 <duey> people might be able to send executable code
May 07 23:19:50 <jasta> uhh, i should hope not
May 07 23:20:18 <mickrobk> jasta: it's possible, and u can send arbitrary data, just do new string(bytes[]) and send that
May 07 23:20:21 <jasta> they have seemed to extend GTalk from Android's perspective to support passing intents and craap.
May 07 23:20:25 <jasta> crap*
May 07 23:20:37 <Lede> craap!
May 07 23:20:39 <Lede> well
May 07 23:20:43 <Lede> time for sleep here
May 07 23:20:50 * Lede ->sleep(Inf);
May 07 23:20:52 <jasta> mickrobk: yeah, but that will show up like a message from the devices perspective.
May 07 23:20:55 <mickrobk> but theres a bunch of bugs in the current implementation surrounding it, it ends up being pretty hackish
May 07 23:20:55 <jasta> not data.
May 07 23:21:14 <mickrobk> oh, yea ur right about that
May 07 23:21:28 <jasta> that's what i'm really asking.  how can i interact with those extensions.
May 07 23:21:32 <jasta> from outside of Android
May 07 23:21:38 <Dougie187> hey jasta.
May 07 23:21:46 <Dougie187> gtalk has extensions of XMPP though
May 07 23:21:49 <Dougie187> its not just XMPP
May 07 23:21:58 <Dougie187> cuz XMPP can't do voice
May 07 23:22:06 <jasta> yes, but Android further extends GTalk, with new Android-specific pieces.
May 07 23:22:31 <Dougie187> but couldnt you write something to take advantage of the extensions?
May 07 23:22:39 <Dougie187> like a pidgin plugin
May 07 23:22:40 <Dougie187> or something
May 07 23:26:21 <Dougie187> no?
May 07 23:26:22 <Dougie187> bad idea?
May 07 23:53:51 <Kraln> I wonder if the telephony parts of android are JTAPI
May 07 23:53:55 <Kraln> that'd be too convienient
May 08 02:15:17 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
May 08 02:15:21 <michaelnovakjr> looks empty
May 08 02:16:45 <michaelnovakjr> yep definitely empty :)
May 08 02:22:32 <dmoffett> Yeah it is very quiet.
May 08 02:22:42 <michaelnovakjr> how's it going?
May 08 02:22:51 <dmoffett> Pretty well and you?
May 08 02:22:55 <michaelnovakjr> good good
May 08 02:23:04 <dmoffett> Feeling better now that there is a date?
May 08 02:23:06 <michaelnovakjr> getting sms weatherphone ready for friday am release
May 08 02:23:10 <michaelnovakjr> yes :)
May 08 02:23:11 <dmoffett> Cool
May 08 02:23:18 <michaelnovakjr> and distracted, so that helps too
May 08 02:23:20 <dmoffett> I will sign up once you give out the info.
May 08 02:23:28 <michaelnovakjr> awesome :)
May 08 02:24:30 <dmoffett> Not being up on sms, do I pay when I receive or sent sms or both?
May 08 02:24:42 <michaelnovakjr> its usually both
May 08 02:24:48 <michaelnovakjr> but different costs i believe
May 08 02:24:49 <dmoffett> Maybe it depends on the plan I guess.
May 08 02:25:01 <michaelnovakjr> there's unlimited ones out there
May 08 02:25:09 <michaelnovakjr> i pay 5 bucks for a bunch
May 08 02:25:21 <dmoffett> It seems with Android we should be able to have a service that does not cost money for the user.
May 08 02:25:53 <michaelnovakjr> weatherphone won't cost the user..... it uses the data connection
May 08 02:26:00 <michaelnovakjr> also is more accurate that way
May 08 02:26:10 <dmoffett> How does that work?
May 08 02:26:15 <dmoffett> or can't you say?
May 08 02:26:31 <dmoffett> I understand if you don't want to tell.
May 08 02:26:41 <michaelnovakjr> basically it directly phones home uses some nifty web service architecture i wrote
May 08 02:26:57 <michaelnovakjr> there's no medium to go through
May 08 02:27:02 <dmoffett> So basically polling from the phone?
May 08 02:27:03 <michaelnovakjr> other than the network of course :)
May 08 02:27:14 <michaelnovakjr> yes.... i am building in push services too :)
May 08 02:27:22 <dmoffett> Cool
May 08 02:27:29 <michaelnovakjr> so the user can choose
May 08 02:27:34 <dmoffett> I looked into multcast but I think that is impractical.
May 08 02:27:51 <dmoffett> seems like multicast is not supported.
May 08 02:27:58 <michaelnovakjr> not that i have seen
May 08 02:28:14 <dmoffett> For your app multicast might not be suitable.
May 08 02:28:29 <dmoffett> I have an idea where multicast would be sweet.
May 08 02:28:42 <dmoffett> but I guess sms is the only way these days.
May 08 02:28:46 <michaelnovakjr> i have a really quick search time with the current setup
May 08 02:29:08 <michaelnovakjr> so the phone is operating for very long at all during the check
May 08 02:29:21 <michaelnovakjr> is not *
May 08 02:29:33 <dmoffett> I see.
May 08 02:29:54 <dmoffett> so can a service hold a connection for long periods of time?
May 08 02:30:08 <dmoffett> if the network is good?
May 08 02:30:20 <dmoffett> I am testing all this now for myself.
May 08 02:30:30 <michaelnovakjr> probably, but its not a good idea
May 08 02:30:37 <michaelnovakjr> radio will kill the battery
May 08 02:30:41 <dmoffett> Kills the battery?
May 08 02:30:46 <dmoffett> right
May 08 02:30:48 <michaelnovakjr> drains
May 08 02:30:52 <dmoffett> I see.
May 08 02:30:54 <dmoffett> interesting.
May 08 02:31:00 <dmoffett> Polling seems right then.
May 08 02:31:01 <michaelnovakjr> the radio actually goes down when not in use
May 08 02:31:15 <michaelnovakjr> that is a standard in mobile device
May 08 02:31:15 <michaelnovakjr> s
May 08 02:31:30 <dmoffett> I see.
May 08 02:32:03 <dmoffett> sms makes a lot of sense then.
May 08 02:32:44 <michaelnovakjr> sure, its not the most reliable but it will reach the most people
May 08 02:33:39 <dmoffett> I wonder if an android device listens on a socket if the radio stays up?
May 08 02:34:39 <michaelnovakjr> i would assume so
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