**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 08 02:59:57 2008
May 08 03:42:24 <michaelnovakjr> hey there morrildl
May 08 03:42:41 <Kraln> I might be visiting google hq in nyc
May 08 03:42:47 <michaelnovakjr> ooo
May 08 03:42:50 <michaelnovakjr> i'm in nyc
May 08 03:43:01 <Kraln> nyc is a big place. =p
May 08 03:43:07 <michaelnovakjr> indeed
May 08 03:43:13 <Kraln> can I have your apartment when you die?
May 08 03:43:21 <michaelnovakjr> haha
May 08 03:43:57 <Kraln> actually, only if you live on cpw below 100th st.
May 08 03:44:26 <michaelnovakjr> well
May 08 03:44:29 <michaelnovakjr> aren't we fancy
May 08 03:44:58 <Kraln> I used to live in brooklyn heights.
May 08 03:45:03 <Kraln> nothing fancy about me =)
May 08 03:45:06 <michaelnovakjr> i live in brooklyn
May 08 03:45:13 <Kraln> where abouts
May 08 03:45:17 <michaelnovakjr> bensonhurst
May 08 03:45:22 <michaelnovakjr> i work downtown manhattan
May 08 03:46:43 <Kraln> ah, cool
May 08 03:46:47 <Kraln> you know where cadman plaza is?
May 08 03:47:00 <michaelnovakjr> yep
May 08 03:47:01 <Kraln> I lived off of jay and johnson.
May 08 03:47:06 <michaelnovakjr> by the brooklyn bridge
May 08 03:47:09 <Kraln> yep
May 08 03:47:12 <michaelnovakjr> cool
May 08 04:54:00 <bdjnk> Is anyone around who can answer a question about installing .apk files?
May 08 04:55:05 <Kraln> how about you ask the question
May 08 04:55:07 <Kraln> and if anyone is around
May 08 04:55:09 <Kraln> they'll answer it!
May 08 04:55:13 <bdjnk> I am using adb install [packagename].apk
May 08 04:55:39 <bdjnk> and when looking into /data/app with adb shell I can see the file there
May 08 04:56:00 <bdjnk> but the application doesn't show up in the emulator menu
May 08 04:56:08 <bdjnk> even after a restart
May 08 04:58:13 <bdjnk> I have gotten the hello, world application running by using eclipse with the android plugin.
May 08 04:58:41 <bdjnk> but so far none of a dozen apk files show up at all.
May 08 05:01:32 <bdjnk> Nobody has the faintest idea what the issue could be?
May 08 05:03:03 <bdjnk> Kraln? Anybody? The foggiest of notions would help.
May 08 05:03:18 <f00f-> run the adb whatever
May 08 05:03:19 <f00f-> push or osmething
May 08 05:03:21 <f00f-> i dunno
May 08 05:03:23 <f00f-> it's pretty foggy
May 08 05:03:27 <bdjnk> nice
May 08 05:03:33 <bdjnk> that was pretty foggy
May 08 05:03:39 <f00f-> the com.blah.App/com.blah.App.MainSreen {}
May 08 05:03:42 <f00f-> curly brace thingy
May 08 05:03:44 <f00f-> that's it.
May 08 05:03:46 <f00f-> </foggy>
May 08 05:04:36 <muthu> mornin fellas
May 08 05:05:22 <bdjnk> In which time zone?
May 08 05:05:42 <Kraln> its 1am here
May 08 05:06:02 <bdjnk> Righto, NY.
May 08 05:06:07 <muthu> yeah early morning
May 08 05:06:08 <Kraln> GMT-5
May 08 05:06:18 <Kraln> I'm actually in washington metro area
May 08 05:06:53 <muthu> any news?
May 08 05:07:30 <chadkouse> zhobbs: are you up ?
May 08 05:07:51 <muthu> chadkouse: do you run a company?
May 08 05:08:56 <Kraln> news is you owe me money :-D
May 08 05:09:05 <Kraln> <3
May 08 05:09:23 <muthu> lol
May 08 05:09:25 <muthu> big time
May 08 05:09:33 <muthu> sure Kraln
May 08 05:09:35 <bdjnk> Hey f00f. The adb push you mentioned is not going to help me, because adb install is just push with a predefined destination.
May 08 05:09:36 <chadkouse> muthu: ?
May 08 05:09:52 <muthu> chadkouse: do you a have a startup?
May 08 05:09:58 <chadkouse> muthu: yeah
May 08 05:10:05 <muthu> which one?
May 08 05:10:09 <Kraln> who doesn't have a startup
May 08 05:10:13 <muthu> haha
May 08 05:10:16 <chadkouse> haha really...
May 08 05:10:18 <muthu> true, everyone does
May 08 05:10:20 <chadkouse> TuneWiki
May 08 05:10:35 <muthu> how many employees?
May 08 05:10:49 <bdjnk> f00f-: and adb install is doing what it is supposed to do.
May 08 05:10:50 <chadkouse> can I ask why you are asking ?
May 08 05:11:28 <muthu> i'm asking to get to know you
May 08 05:12:17 <bdjnk> f00f-: It is the emulator which seems to be failing to give installed applications the menu shortcuts which they need
May 08 05:12:27 <muthu> chadkouse: lol
May 08 05:12:30 <muthu> i know
May 08 05:12:42 <muthu> i run a company in chennai
May 08 05:12:44 <chadkouse> muthu who are you ?
May 08 05:12:46 <muthu> http://mobeegal.in
May 08 05:12:59 <muthu> right now i'm focusing on android
May 08 05:13:06 <muthu> hope it brings me some work
May 08 05:13:08 <muthu> cool
May 08 05:13:42 <chadkouse> cool -- We're all just waiting on the DEVICES!
May 08 05:13:52 <muthu> right
May 08 05:14:00 <muthu> and the results!!
May 08 05:15:13 <chadkouse> yep
May 08 05:15:20 <chadkouse> people still think it's coming Friday ?
May 08 05:15:29 <chadkouse> I got another hit from a judge tonight...
May 08 05:15:40 <muthu> yeah guess its friday
May 08 05:15:54 <muthu> chadkouse: looks like your app is getting some love from the judges ;)
May 08 05:16:06 <chadkouse> yeah either that or they're laughing at it.
May 08 05:16:18 <chadkouse> "look at this peice of crap... Jim, get in here.. look at this.. hahahh!"
May 08 05:16:27 <muthu> i don't think so
May 08 05:16:33 <chadkouse> yeah probably not.
May 08 05:16:45 <muthu> they don't have time to do that
May 08 05:16:51 <muthu> they are busy evaluation the real stuff
May 08 05:17:12 <chadkouse> anyone seen Zach around lately ?
May 08 05:17:18 <muthu> is it similart to jasta player?
May 08 05:17:23 <chadkouse> I guess I can just email him....
May 08 05:17:31 <muthu> i'm in the hunt for zhobbs.. he's missing
May 08 05:17:56 <chadkouse> no I wouldn't say so... maybe in appearance..  jasta's player is all about remote media... we're dealing with local media currently... remote is coming..
May 08 05:18:07 <muthu> cool
May 08 05:18:21 <chadkouse> allright well I'm outta here.
May 08 05:18:30 <muthu> bye
May 08 05:21:10 <chadkouse> see ya.. good luck
May 08 05:33:07 <muthu> jasta michaelnovakjr__ Dougie ligi f00f-
May 08 05:33:11 <muthu> what's happening?
May 08 05:33:34 <muthu> dmoffett: davidw
May 08 05:34:06 <f00f-> not much man, reading up on distributed service architectures
May 08 05:34:21 <f00f-> http://highscalability.com/amazon-architecture
May 08 05:34:26 <f00f-> interesting site
May 08 05:34:38 <muthu> cool
May 08 05:34:38 <f00f-> look at all the big players' backends
May 08 05:34:51 <muthu> any common traits?
May 08 05:35:04 <f00f-> lots of memcached love
May 08 05:35:16 <muthu> wonderful link
May 08 05:35:24 <f00f-> i'm looking to start writing a distributed architecture
May 08 05:35:26 <muthu> i have Kraln supporting me
May 08 05:35:29 <f00f-> or try to find something to start playing with
May 08 05:35:30 <muthu> so.... ;)
May 08 05:35:33 <f00f-> hehe
May 08 05:36:03 <muthu> f00f-: what's you day job?
May 08 05:37:41 <f00f-> muthu: i work on cross-platform database tools
May 08 05:37:51 <muthu> where?
May 08 05:37:55 <duey> <3 memcached
May 08 05:38:03 <muthu> duey: hi
May 08 05:38:06 <duey> hi
May 08 05:38:18 <f00f-> here in the valley, for a database company :)
May 08 05:38:20 <muthu> memchached is part of apache right
May 08 05:38:35 <f00f-> it's a standalone thing
May 08 05:38:38 <muthu> f00f-: oh, a valley database company.. haha
May 08 05:38:51 <muthu> valley is filled with db companies
May 08 05:39:07 <f00f-> yeah, they come and go :)
May 08 05:39:08 <muthu> but does apache provide native integration?
May 08 05:39:17 <f00f-> i'm not sure about that
May 08 05:39:23 <f00f-> memcached is more of an app-level integration
May 08 05:39:34 <muthu> right
May 08 05:39:36 <f00f-> to cache database (or any) queries
May 08 05:39:43 <f00f-> to avoid hitting the db
May 08 05:39:59 <muthu> you can use it from php? java?
May 08 05:40:23 <f00f-> yeah i think they provide client libraries in many languages
May 08 05:40:33 <muthu> great
May 08 05:41:20 <duey> muthu, its like a hashtable
May 08 05:41:28 <muthu> duey: that's it
May 08 05:41:29 <duey> but you are not gurenteed that the data is available
May 08 05:41:40 <duey> so basically you have set/get operations
May 08 05:41:54 <muthu> duey: you use them?
May 08 05:41:56 <duey> sure
May 08 05:42:20 <muthu> good>
May 08 05:42:24 <duey> very
May 08 05:42:24 <muthu> ?
May 08 05:42:31 <muthu> great
May 08 05:42:51 <duey> its only of use if you have high db load and can isolate queries or data objects that can be cached though
May 08 05:43:47 <muthu> ok
May 08 05:43:58 <muthu> who doesn't have high db load these days?
May 08 05:44:05 <duey> startups :)!
May 08 05:44:15 <muthu> haha
May 08 06:55:13 <varjag> re
May 08 06:55:17 <varjag> mm.. so friday
May 08 06:55:24 <muthu> yup
May 08 07:09:54 <varjag> oh the suspense
May 08 07:10:13 <muthu> atleast now, we know its friday
May 08 07:10:17 <muthu> it was terrible yesterday
May 08 07:13:00 <varjag> true
May 08 07:13:37 <varjag> my app requires no network connectivity or servers
May 08 07:13:44 <varjag> so lots of frustration
May 08 07:13:53 <varjag> at least you guys know when your servers hit :)
May 08 07:14:39 <duey> varjag, we also know when we are out of the compo :)
May 08 07:15:27 <varjag> yea.. so it's double edged i guess
May 08 07:15:32 <muthu> right
May 08 07:15:41 <muthu> if you don't have the servers, you can live in a dream
May 08 07:15:46 <muthu> atleast until friday
May 08 07:15:48 <varjag> hehe
May 08 07:15:58 <varjag> i still hope for coffee mug :)
May 08 07:16:03 <muthu> haha
May 08 07:16:28 <duey> send out tshirts
May 08 07:16:30 <duey> that would be neat
May 08 07:17:12 <Lede> good morning
May 08 07:17:21 <muthu> Lede: morning
May 08 07:17:24 <muthu> how are you today?
May 08 07:17:38 <Lede> i have a semi boner and need to go to the bathroom
May 08 07:17:46 <muthu> oh shit
May 08 07:18:05 <Lede> hm, i just hit enter didnt i
May 08 07:18:12 <davidw> ...
May 08 07:18:15 <duey> lol
May 08 07:28:51 <varjag> pah, adc forum gets really bitter
May 08 07:29:04 <varjag> google, we want free prozac
May 08 07:29:06 <muthu> its been bitter for sometime
May 08 07:29:15 <muthu> the waiting kills us
May 08 07:29:44 <varjag> i have bad feeling it will get only worse after announcements
May 08 07:30:08 <muthu> oh yeah
May 08 07:30:15 <muthu> how else to vent?
May 08 07:30:57 <varjag> well.. like real men do - get drunk in a pub and start a fistfight
May 08 07:31:01 <varjag> :p
May 08 07:31:12 <muthu> lets get it on!
May 08 07:31:16 <muthu> hehe
May 08 07:32:14 <duey> its going to be great fun reading them after the annocements
May 08 07:32:48 <muthu> the moderators would be busy
May 08 07:34:00 <duey> is it moderated?
May 08 07:34:32 <muthu> every forum is moderated
May 08 07:35:07 <duey> i think the web viewable google groups are moderated
May 08 07:35:13 <varjag> for every *wee i won* there'll be three *your app suck* posts :)
May 08 07:35:33 <duey> id personally be very quiet if i won
May 08 07:35:38 <muthu> yeah, it would be more thrashing the winners
May 08 07:35:48 <muthu> duey: you'll be announced
May 08 07:35:52 <duey> oh sure
May 08 07:35:59 <duey> but they can have all the names
May 08 07:36:03 <duey> still cant contact me
May 08 07:36:09 <muthu> haha
May 08 07:36:10 <duey> (easily)
May 08 07:36:26 <muthu> we know who you are ;)
May 08 07:36:32 <duey> :(
May 08 07:36:36 * duey hides
May 08 07:36:39 <muthu> hehe
May 08 07:36:47 <muthu> lol
May 08 07:36:55 <muthu> count on me to do the BREAKING news on you!!
May 08 07:36:55 <iamnotduey> ssh
May 08 07:37:03 <iamnotduey> haha
May 08 07:37:26 <muthu> any movie buffs here?
May 08 07:37:28 <duey> you are going to be busy writing 50xBreaking news posts
May 08 07:37:40 <muthu> duey: only 1
May 08 07:37:51 <muthu> congratulating.. and it will be short
May 08 07:39:05 <duey> ive got complete writers block
May 08 07:39:10 <duey> trying to write areport
May 08 07:39:14 <duey> and nothing is happening!
May 08 07:39:20 <muthu> that happens
May 08 07:39:29 <duey> due tomorrow :(
May 08 07:39:39 <muthu> start typing.. it will happen
May 08 07:39:43 <duey> only got 5 pages done and im not happy with it
May 08 07:39:57 <muthu> how many pages?
May 08 07:41:41 <duey> 4-8
May 08 07:41:49 <duey> need one more
May 08 07:42:05 <duey> (1 of my 5 pages is a titlepage)
May 08 07:42:58 <muthu> write it
May 08 07:43:12 <muthu> first draft just write the words
May 08 07:44:17 <duey> heh i have red "MORE" text all over the place
May 08 08:04:04 <bdjnk> I have a problem getting apk files to fully install.
May 08 08:04:12 <bdjnk> I am using adb install [packagename].apk
May 08 08:04:35 <muthu> what's the problem?
May 08 08:04:36 <bdjnk> and when I look in /data/app with adb shell I can see the file is put there
May 08 08:04:45 <bdjnk> but the application doesn't show up in the emulator menu
May 08 08:04:56 <bdjnk> even after a restart
May 08 08:05:00 <muthu> emulator -wipe-data
May 08 08:05:02 <muthu> try that
May 08 08:05:26 <bdjnk> righto, off to try
May 08 08:12:29 <bdjnk> all that emulator -wipe-data seems to do is replace the current data folder with the default one
May 08 08:12:50 <bdjnk> programs installed afterwards are still not showing up in the menu
May 08 08:12:54 <bdjnk> muthu.
May 08 08:12:55 <muthu> then do adb install
May 08 08:12:56 <davidw> a good alternative to waiting around for the ADC: having a baby:-)
May 08 08:13:07 <bdjnk> yes
May 08 08:13:15 <muthu> davidw: have you got yours?
May 08 08:13:27 <davidw> yeah
May 08 08:13:32 <muthu> cooool!
May 08 08:13:36 <duey> is it out ?!
May 08 08:13:38 <davidw> infact I need to run off to the hospital now
May 08 08:13:40 <muthu> congrats new dad :)
May 08 08:13:44 <duey> cool
May 08 08:13:49 <muthu> boy or girl?
May 08 08:13:51 <duey> would be double cool if you won adc
May 08 08:14:46 <bdjnk> muthu: I used adb install and the apk files end up in /data/app but they don't show up in the menu.
May 08 08:14:56 <davidw> it's a girl
May 08 08:14:57 <bdjnk> Even after a reboot of the emulator
May 08 08:14:59 <duey> what sdk are you using
May 08 08:15:03 <Lede> davidw: nice, good luck!
May 08 08:15:11 <muthu> davidw: wonderful, cute little daughter
May 08 08:15:27 <duey> congrats on not getting any sleep for the next year
May 08 08:15:32 <muthu> bdjnk: hmm
May 08 08:15:39 <muthu> logcat showing anything?
May 08 08:15:42 <davidw> hehehe
May 08 08:16:43 <muthu> name her 'luckydroid' :)
May 08 08:17:18 <duey> :\
May 08 08:17:40 <bdjnk> muthu: And here I show my absolute ignorance: what is logcat and how do I use it? (I am running the latest sdk in windows xp sp2)
May 08 08:17:50 <duey> do you use eclipse
May 08 08:18:27 <davidw> http://padovachronicles.welton.it/articles/2008/05/08/helen-carolina-welton
May 08 08:18:43 <bdjnk> I have got eclipse installed with the android plugin thing.
May 08 08:19:15 <bdjnk> In fact when I create a hello, world app and run it, it does show up in the menu
May 08 08:19:36 <muthu> davidw: cute
May 08 08:19:39 <muthu> have fun
May 08 08:42:13 <muthu> lol
May 08 08:42:18 <muthu> have a great idea for a post
May 08 08:43:40 <Lede> what is it
May 08 08:44:02 <muthu> Lede: i'll post soon.. watch out in http://helloandroid.com
May 08 09:42:38 <varjag> mm.. adc forum is better than soap opera
May 08 09:43:10 <muthu> you want real drama, check this out:
May 08 09:43:12 <muthu> http://www.helloandroid.com/node/545
May 08 09:43:16 <muthu> lol
May 08 09:49:15 <varjag> hehe
May 08 09:51:51 <muthu> hope people find it funny
May 08 09:52:02 <varjag> well
May 08 09:52:10 <varjag> at this point you'll get flamed no matter what you say
May 08 09:52:14 <muthu> haha
May 08 09:52:17 <muthu> i know
May 08 13:41:22 <muthu> wake up droids
May 08 14:04:02 * michaelnovakjr__ yamn
May 08 14:04:11 * michaelnovakjr__ yawn
May 08 14:37:17 <vol_> I have an array of ints, arrayOne, and a smaller subset of ints arrayTwo
May 08 14:37:28 <vol_> I want to get all of the ints that are in arrayOne and not arrayTwo
May 08 14:37:36 <vol_> how do I do this in something better than n^2 time?
May 08 14:40:28 <ligi> vol_: do u do it multiple times on one array tuple ?
May 08 14:41:00 <ligi> ah no ok
May 08 14:41:04 <ligi> on the 2. read
May 08 14:41:05 <ligi> ^^
May 08 14:42:02 <ligi> hm - then i think there's not much u can do
May 08 14:42:07 <ligi> you have to compare
May 08 14:42:32 <vol_> ah, they're sorted come to think of it
May 08 14:42:34 <vol_> so it's not that hard
May 08 14:42:35 <vol_> nevermind
May 08 14:43:18 <ligi> ah presortet - then ther should be some trix to do
May 08 14:46:04 <vol_> yeah
May 08 14:46:18 <vol_> iterate through both arrays at once
May 08 14:46:27 <vol_> it turns into 2n
May 08 14:46:29 <vol_> well
May 08 14:46:31 <vol_> n*m
May 08 14:46:33 <vol_> er
May 08 14:46:34 <vol_> n+m
May 08 14:47:05 <Lede> holy shit, you can figure out the run time cost in your head?
May 08 14:47:35 <ligi> i had to learn this too once
May 08 14:47:39 <ligi> but long ago
May 08 14:47:41 <ligi> ^^
May 08 14:47:49 <michaelnovakjr__> same here
May 08 14:47:52 <ligi> now just estimate whats better - no calcing
May 08 14:47:52 <vol_> uh...
May 08 14:48:01 <vol_> I didn't figure it out, I guessed.
May 08 14:48:06 <vol_> but I'm pretty sure I'm right
May 08 14:48:10 <michaelnovakjr__> how about recursively
May 08 14:48:17 <ligi> vol_: think so too
May 08 14:48:55 <Lede> i was thinking of a divide and conquer approach aswell
May 08 14:48:55 <ligi> vol_: perhaps you can break @ arr1.leghth-found==arr2.length and save some more time
May 08 14:49:12 <vol_> it definately won't be the same that way
May 08 14:49:16 <vol_> this is ipc stuff
May 08 14:49:26 <vol_> so even if they're equivolent they're almost certain to not be the same object
May 08 14:49:38 <vol_> basically, I'm registering a list of things to generate a callback on
May 08 14:49:49 <vol_> and then I have a remove method that provides a list of things I no longer want a callback on
May 08 14:49:54 <vol_> the ints are id vals
May 08 14:50:06 <vol_> autogenerated and sequentially incrementing
May 08 14:51:08 <ligi> i should sleep a bit - thinking issnt really working anymore
May 08 14:51:19 <michaelnovakjr__> good idea
May 08 14:51:41 <michaelnovakjr__> you'd be surprised how walking away ends up making the problem stare you in the face
May 08 14:51:50 <michaelnovakjr__> except when rested you actually see it!
May 08 14:52:56 <Lede> i also recommend drinking horse urine, it's rich in omega-3 acids
May 08 14:53:09 <michaelnovakjr__> i do every morning
May 08 14:53:19 <Lede> :)
May 08 16:49:59 <michaelnovakjr__> real quiet today
May 08 16:50:14 <michaelnovakjr__> should have set this topic weeks ago :)
May 08 16:50:14 <muthu> are you serious?
May 08 16:50:27 <muthu> have you checked the forums?
May 08 16:50:35 <michaelnovakjr__> i meant here its quiet
May 08 16:50:36 <muthu> HOT!
May 08 16:51:01 <muthu> its quiet here, agree
May 08 16:52:42 <michaelnovakjr__> so when do you think they'll announce it ;)
May 08 17:01:22 <muthu> haha
May 08 17:01:25 <muthu> May 9
May 08 17:01:49 <michaelnovakjr__> 1 hour 59 minutes
May 08 17:01:53 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 08 17:01:55 <muthu> what?
May 08 17:01:59 <muthu> 1 day..
May 08 17:02:18 <michaelnovakjr__> well, also 1 hour and now 58 minutes
May 08 17:06:00 <Lede> really?
May 08 17:08:08 <michaelnovakjr__> till noon
May 08 17:13:08 <morrildl> *sigh*
May 08 17:13:15 <michaelnovakjr__> what's up
May 08 17:14:03 <michaelnovakjr__> tired morrildl
May 08 17:19:11 <muthu> morrildl: hi
May 08 17:19:14 <muthu> tired?
May 08 17:21:33 <michaelnovakjr__> maybe he fell asleep at his desk
May 08 17:21:49 <muthu> what happened?
May 08 17:21:53 <michaelnovakjr__> ?
May 08 17:22:08 <muthu> morrildl: did you say something?
May 08 17:22:25 <michaelnovakjr__> *sigh*... that was it... calm down there its ok :)
May 08 17:22:32 <muthu> haha
May 08 17:22:35 <michaelnovakjr__> someone's a bit jumpy :)
May 08 17:22:44 <muthu> :)
May 08 17:23:25 <muthu> after the results, i'm taking off for 2 months
May 08 17:23:31 <michaelnovakjr__> nice
May 08 17:23:33 <muthu> not going to visit the forums, channels etc.,
May 08 17:23:40 <muthu> just sit back and relax
May 08 17:23:41 <michaelnovakjr__> interesting
May 08 17:23:52 <michaelnovakjr__> is that win or lose?
May 08 17:24:06 <muthu> lose would make it easier
May 08 17:24:17 <michaelnovakjr__> you mean win would?
May 08 17:24:22 <michaelnovakjr__> $25K
May 08 17:24:30 <muthu> win - you want to check the channels for p2
May 08 17:24:38 <michaelnovakjr__> true
May 08 17:24:46 <muthu> lose, you can just disappear
May 08 17:24:47 <michaelnovakjr__> or code in silence :)
May 08 17:24:52 <muthu> haha
May 08 17:26:09 <Lede> 19:22 < muthu> morrildl: did you say something?
May 08 17:26:12 <Lede> lol!
May 08 17:26:15 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 08 17:26:35 <Lede> sssh, i can hear him type!
May 08 17:26:41 <muthu> lol
May 08 17:26:43 <michaelnovakjr__> ooooo
May 08 17:26:48 <michaelnovakjr__> its coming >>>>>>>>>
May 08 17:26:54 <michaelnovakjr__> ::gas::
May 08 17:28:21 <Lede> i'm turning crazy, i actually want to lose
May 08 17:28:27 <Lede> ._o
May 08 17:29:12 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 08 17:42:04 <jasta> yawn
May 08 17:42:56 <michaelnovakjr__> whats up
May 08 17:44:10 <jasta> i'm nervous that i got no hits since last Sunday :)
May 08 17:44:18 <jasta> thats not good, methinks
May 08 17:44:41 <muthu> jasta: zhobbs had done a media player like you
May 08 17:44:50 <jasta> no, he had done a media player
May 08 17:44:52 <jasta> not like mine
May 08 17:45:04 <muthu> right its a bit different
May 08 17:45:34 <muthu> it doesn't do remote sync
May 08 17:45:43 <muthu> its only local
May 08 17:45:56 <jasta> his unique feature is that it accesses lyrics
May 08 17:46:09 <muthu> correct
May 08 17:57:39 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta i got last hit when you did
May 08 17:57:53 <michaelnovakjr__> last sunday i got hit and that was it
May 08 17:57:57 <michaelnovakjr__> nothing since then
May 08 17:59:38 <jasta> yeah
May 08 17:59:44 <jasta> oh well, i'm okay with not winning
May 08 17:59:50 <michaelnovakjr__> same here
May 08 17:59:55 <michaelnovakjr__> but it could mean our apps were cool!
May 08 18:00:05 <michaelnovakjr__> its a toss up
May 08 18:00:07 <jasta> but, i'm not okay with a bunch of stupid apps winning.  ones that never even get used.
May 08 18:00:26 <michaelnovakjr__> i don't think you can go by server testing... i believe morrildl confirmed that
May 08 18:00:40 <jasta> i'm happy to share the stage withs tupid apps, but if i get beat out completely by 50 lame piece of crap things, iw ill be really pissed :)
May 08 18:00:47 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 08 18:01:38 <jasta> i think thats a fair attitude :)
May 08 18:01:46 <michaelnovakjr__> indeed
May 08 18:02:59 <jasta> im still going to go ont o produce and release my app for android devices
May 08 18:03:11 <michaelnovakjr__> as you should, its a kick ass app
May 08 18:03:19 <jasta> so if it ends up being that mine is a much bigger hit than most of the ADC winners, then we can rest assured that the judges are idiots
May 08 18:03:30 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 08 18:03:33 <jasta> and not waste time with ADC II :)
May 08 18:03:41 <michaelnovakjr__> very true
May 08 18:04:09 <flip> hi
May 08 18:04:14 <michaelnovakjr__> i am still hoping to get the sms service out the door tomorrow.... i just hate website designing
May 08 18:04:32 <jasta> anyway, off to work
May 08 18:04:36 <jasta> then Minus the Bear tonight, woooo! :)
May 08 18:04:52 <flip> total newbie question --- is there a phone in exsistance that runs android? even w/ modification
May 08 18:05:32 <jasta> flip: kinda not really
May 08 18:05:40 <jasta> none that work as phones
May 08 18:05:45 <michaelnovakjr__> Minus the Bear!!
May 08 18:05:57 <jasta> except those that google employees have
May 08 18:06:07 <michaelnovakjr__> http://darwen.us/darrell/blographics/070403zb.jpg
May 08 18:06:08 <flip> ah ok
May 08 18:06:18 <flip> jasta: so as an app device yes;; but doesnt dial or anything yet?
May 08 18:06:32 <michaelnovakjr__> not really flip
May 08 18:06:42 <flip> ok cool enough
May 08 18:06:44 <michaelnovakjr__> we use the emulator
May 08 18:06:55 <flip> does the 'emulator' that i see screenshots w/ come in the SDK?
May 08 18:07:04 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 08 18:07:10 <michaelnovakjr__> the emulator is included with the sdk
May 08 18:07:14 <flip> i see rumors on phandroid of a phone w/ tmobile end of year
May 08 18:07:25 <flip> so i guess ill play w/ the SDK and keep using my bberry :F
May 08 18:07:26 <flip> thanks man :)
May 08 18:07:28 <michaelnovakjr__> htc also says that
May 08 18:07:33 <flip> htc?
May 08 18:07:43 <michaelnovakjr__> htc is going to be making an android phone later this year
May 08 18:08:15 <flip> i never even heard of htc until just now
May 08 18:08:15 <flip> :) :)
May 08 18:08:20 <flip> looking at their site now
May 08 18:08:36 <michaelnovakjr__> they have some cool devices
May 08 18:09:10 <flip> ya ya --- i mean i heard of the dash and the wing
May 08 18:09:14 <flip> i just never heard the name htc
May 08 18:09:17 <flip> i think my friend had a dash
May 08 18:09:50 <michaelnovakjr__> i have a touch, just dont like winmo
May 08 18:10:05 <flip> i have a blackberry curve
May 08 18:10:11 <flip> winmo is nearly unuseable for me
May 08 18:10:24 <flip> and im pretty half decent w/ java dev... so i wanted to play w/ droid
May 08 18:10:29 <flip> but i wanna run it on a phone to lol
May 08 18:11:08 <michaelnovakjr__> totally..... for dev work the emulator is good enough for now
May 08 18:11:30 <michaelnovakjr__> you can atleast have the app running and then tweak it when you have a test device
May 08 18:11:48 <flip> does the OS itself start in the emulator?  like the 'home screen' i guess i would say
May 08 18:11:58 <flip> <-- still deosnt nkow alot about android
May 08 18:12:08 <michaelnovakjr__> yes
May 08 18:15:00 <michaelnovakjr__> emulator has some basic stuff on it
May 08 18:15:15 <michaelnovakjr__> you can simulate stuff for testing as well
May 08 18:15:30 <michaelnovakjr__> there's a lot about the emulator at http://code.google.com/android
May 08 18:15:41 <flip> mi downloading the SDK right now
May 08 18:15:48 <michaelnovakjr__> cool
May 08 18:16:12 <flip> anyone know what the prelim specs for the HTC device is going to be?
May 08 18:16:14 <flip> storage etc
May 08 18:19:50 <jasta> no, its all just wild speculation
May 08 18:19:58 <flip> oh ok
May 08 19:23:17 <michaelnovakjr__> its refreshing to start working on a new idea for android
May 08 19:33:07 <jasta> what are you working on?
May 08 19:40:44 <Lede> i was planning to write something else after the ADC, a benchmarking tool for android phones
May 08 19:40:48 <michaelnovakjr__> not sure yet jasta, working on an idea :)
May 08 19:40:59 <michaelnovakjr__> fill in the gap that is bound to come from crappy apps
May 08 19:41:12 <Lede> which tests both CPU and the GPU (or atleast the opengl performance) on the phones
May 08 19:41:41 <Lede> because i bet a lot of people would like to see benchmarks for phones
May 08 19:42:12 <Lede> but that idea is pretty much vapor
May 08 19:42:24 <Lede> unless someone is reading this and does it faster then me
May 08 19:43:48 <Lede> besides, we will need to wait and see how many phones will use android as their operating system
May 08 19:44:03 <michaelnovakjr__> true
May 08 20:01:24 <jasta> i want to write lots of things, but i dont want to start any of them until this project is mature
May 08 20:02:14 <jerkface03> what else are you planning on doing?
May 08 20:06:28 <Lede> jasta: same here
May 08 20:07:32 <jasta> i've mentioned a few of them before
May 08 20:07:48 <michaelnovakjr__> i like the ex-girlfriend one
May 08 20:07:51 <jasta> an app to guard you against overusage of your plan, things like that
May 08 20:08:04 <jasta> also, i want to write a solitaire game pack :)
May 08 20:08:13 <jasta> generalize card game engine
May 08 20:08:17 <jasta> generalized*
May 08 20:16:17 <michaelnovakjr__> i want to write a cooking app
May 08 20:17:55 <jasta> wow, GLADE has gotten way less sucky since i last used it
May 08 20:18:06 <jasta> michaelnovakjr__: thats what muthu wrote, apparently, but he hasn't shown anyone
May 08 20:19:55 <michaelnovakjr__> mine's different
May 08 20:20:01 <michaelnovakjr__> it'll actually cook you something :)
May 08 20:21:58 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, what do you use to code in when working on GTK apps?  just a text editor and glade?  or do you use an IDE?
May 08 20:35:44 <jasta> well, i havent done GTK development in years
May 08 20:35:50 <jasta> this time around i'm using a text editor and glade
May 08 20:35:54 <jasta> i used to use a text editor only :)
May 08 20:35:54 <michaelnovakjr__> cool
May 08 20:36:02 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 08 20:36:02 <jasta> though, vim is the text editor
May 08 20:36:11 <jasta> so i guess you couldnt really call that just a text editor
May 08 20:36:38 <michaelnovakjr__> yea, i am an emacs fan
May 08 20:36:45 <michaelnovakjr__> although vim is cool
May 08 20:39:57 <f00f-> LOL
May 08 20:40:06 <f00f-> everytime someone mentions vim or emacs
May 08 20:40:15 <michaelnovakjr__> they are really cool
May 08 20:40:24 <michaelnovakjr__> i like simple
May 08 20:40:25 <f00f-> someone always has to promote one or the other
May 08 20:40:36 <f00f-> i agree, i use one of them.
May 08 20:40:36 <michaelnovakjr__> and/or the other :)
May 08 20:40:51 <varjag> michaelnovakjr__, you can't like both :)
May 08 20:40:57 <michaelnovakjr__> why not
May 08 20:41:00 <varjag> it's a law of universe
May 08 20:41:13 <michaelnovakjr__> ?
May 08 20:41:41 <f00f-> well put.
May 08 20:41:53 <varjag> also, you called emacs simple :p
May 08 20:41:54 <michaelnovakjr__> f00f-: law of universe or the ?
May 08 20:42:06 <f00f-> both
May 08 20:42:11 <michaelnovakjr__> varjag: it is simple
May 08 20:42:56 <varjag> C-x C-b ], quick :p
May 08 20:43:16 * varjag is an emacs user actually
May 08 20:43:25 <michaelnovakjr__> HAHA
May 08 20:45:10 <michaelnovakjr__> i actually prefer visual studio over anything
May 08 20:45:15 <michaelnovakjr__> cause its lame
May 08 20:48:16 <Lede> f00f-: there also always some that need to join in and mention they use nano or pico
May 08 20:48:31 <michaelnovakjr__> nano!
May 08 20:48:31 <Lede> holyshit
May 08 20:48:39 <Lede> there is also always someone*
May 08 20:48:46 <michaelnovakjr__> nano!
May 08 20:49:20 * Lede sets michaelnovakjr__ login shell to emacs
May 08 20:49:29 <michaelnovakjr__> lok
May 08 20:49:32 <michaelnovakjr__> lol
May 08 20:49:37 <michaelnovakjr__> nano is pretty simple
May 08 20:49:42 <michaelnovakjr__> i don't mind it
May 08 20:49:50 <Lede> yeah it's simple
May 08 20:50:27 <Lede> the first time i tried to use emacs i needed to reboot because i couldnt figure out how to exit it (there was no X server running and i was pretty much new to linux)
May 08 20:50:46 <f00f-> Lede: same here man
May 08 20:50:49 <f00f-> cant exit the shit
May 08 20:52:44 <Lede> man, one more day
May 08 20:53:07 <Hai-Fai> vim or nano!
May 08 20:53:22 <Hai-Fai> =P
May 08 20:54:22 <f00f-> vim for the win. period.
May 08 21:03:46 <varjag> vim is a modal editor
May 08 21:03:49 <varjag> it has two modes
May 08 21:03:56 <varjag> beep, and ruin everything
May 08 21:11:48 <michaelnovakjr__> nano is pretty tight
May 08 21:23:14 <dmoffett> Are you running vim on the Android emulator.
May 08 21:35:50 * zhobbs twiddles thumbs waiting for results
May 08 21:46:17 <Hai-Fai> yeah, sad, it's already 45minutes over midnight and no results so far..
May 08 21:47:16 <poffy> Only 4:47 PM on Thursday, here
May 08 21:54:46 <jasta> only google's time matters, which is 3pm Thursday.
May 08 21:55:05 <poffy> heh
May 08 21:55:40 * Lede points at topic
May 08 22:05:00 <cutmasta> mornin
May 08 22:05:02 <cutmasta> :)
May 08 22:06:58 <Lede> yeah technically it is morning
May 08 22:07:32 <Lede> but i rather sleep now then have breakfast at 12:07 AM
May 08 22:07:40 <Lede> x)
May 08 22:08:13 <cutmasta> i will do so too :)
May 08 22:17:26 <cutmasta> bye all
May 08 22:33:40 <coderjjt009> anyone here?
May 08 22:33:48 <coderjjt009> any news about the results
May 08 22:34:38 * jasta ponders how to use libsexy with GLADE
May 08 22:34:59 <coderjjt009> jasta: so no hits?
May 08 22:35:05 <jasta> nope, whatever
May 08 22:35:13 <coderjjt009> dude, it's cool
May 08 22:35:19 <coderjjt009> i think the judges got it wrong
May 08 22:35:26 <coderjjt009> hopefully people like enkin didn't win
May 08 22:35:27 <umdk1d3> mmmm friday  :)
May 08 22:35:27 <jasta> still, whatever
May 08 22:35:55 <umdk1d3> wait coderjjt009 whats wrong with enkin?
May 08 22:36:03 <coderjjt009> it's freaking useless
May 08 22:36:05 * umdk1d3 stumbles into convo in progress :P
May 08 22:36:22 <umdk1d3> hmm i disagree
May 08 22:36:25 <coderjjt009> it's all looks and no practical functionality
May 08 22:36:29 <coderjjt009> jasta will second me on this
May 08 22:36:45 <umdk1d3> picture all your favorite futuristic movies where we have "marked-up" worlds
May 08 22:36:50 <umdk1d3> like live HUD's
May 08 22:37:07 <umdk1d3> theres a reason the millitary uses HUDs--they work  ;)
May 08 22:37:13 <coderjjt009> i guess, but i can't really see myself using it
May 08 22:37:24 <umdk1d3> how many times do you get disoriented in a city
May 08 22:37:33 <umdk1d3> pull out your phone and see things marked up in the distance
May 08 22:37:35 <coderjjt009> well, i don't live in the city
May 08 22:37:38 <umdk1d3> "oh the airport is that way"
May 08 22:37:44 <coderjjt009> yeah, true
May 08 22:37:50 <coderjjt009> i guess certain people would find it useful
May 08 22:38:02 <umdk1d3> true, most of the other stuff was "meh"
May 08 22:38:06 <umdk1d3> like google earth on android
May 08 22:38:13 <coderjjt009> yeah
May 08 22:38:16 <umdk1d3> that was obvious and not extremely innovative
May 08 22:38:27 <coderjjt009> right
May 08 22:38:38 <coderjjt009> umdk1d3: your server got any hits?
May 08 22:38:42 <jasta> i really would just prefer to wait for the results and not talk about it :)
May 08 22:39:04 <umdk1d3> coderjjt009: since when?  ;)
May 08 22:39:11 <coderjjt009> may 4?
May 08 22:39:30 <coderjjt009> phase 2 timeframe i mean
May 08 22:39:37 <umdk1d3> my app only used a server if the user chose to
May 08 22:39:38 <coderjjt009> yeah, so may 4 is right
May 08 22:39:48 <coderjjt009> what was it?
May 08 22:39:49 <umdk1d3> so i havent seen any hits  :/
May 08 22:39:57 * umdk1d3 keeps irc and irl ident separate  ;)
May 08 22:40:09 <coderjjt009> what's your app?
May 08 22:40:38 <coderjjt009> x,ccc,   c,ccmxxx,zzzmmmzz,,,zzmz,,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,z
May 08 22:40:52 <coderjjt009> sorry
May 08 22:41:51 <umdk1d3> well the app is tied to my irl ident  ;)
May 08 22:42:29 <umdk1d3> but it made http://www.anddev.org/must_see_android_challenge_submissions-t1746.html
May 08 22:44:29 <jasta> my app isn't listed there ;)
May 08 22:44:48 <coderjjt009> elimatta?
May 08 22:44:55 <coderjjt009> hmm?
May 08 22:45:10 <coderjjt009> some of the apps on there aren't too great
May 08 22:45:43 <coderjjt009> in terms of ingenuity
May 08 22:45:50 <umdk1d3> true true
May 08 22:45:57 <coderjjt009> is yours elimatta?
May 08 22:46:28 <umdk1d3> im just trying to figure out what the other ~1500 projects are that somehow arent being publcly announced
May 08 22:46:55 <jasta> there are lots of developers who couldn't give a shit about all these stupid android web pages
May 08 22:46:55 <umdk1d3> i mean yea its the authors choice, but thats a huge unknown
May 08 22:47:06 <jasta> and android-challenge is complete drivel, so i am not surprised most people avoided it
May 08 22:47:19 <jasta> i posted ONCE to android-challenge, and folks have mostly forgotten that mine even exists
May 08 22:47:22 <jasta> except in here
May 08 22:47:26 <umdk1d3> lol @ google group
May 08 22:47:42 <umdk1d3> of course they could make fun of irc in the same way  :P
May 08 22:47:56 <jasta> android-developers is great and useful
May 08 22:48:26 <jasta> but android-challenge is embarrassing.
May 08 22:48:43 <coderjjt009> umdk1d3: wait, so which app is yours on the page?
May 08 22:48:46 <coderjjt009> what's the name?
May 08 22:49:23 <umdk1d3> ...
May 08 22:51:06 <jerkface03> I hope the results come out tmrw
May 08 22:51:19 <coderjjt009> umdk1d3: you didn't confirm whether it was elimatta?
May 08 22:51:24 <jerkface03> but I suspect that they won't
May 08 22:54:17 <jasta> jerkface03: ditto.
May 08 22:54:37 <jasta> i'm making a ton of progress on my server component though
May 08 22:54:43 <jasta> i'm getting very excited about this project coming together
May 08 22:56:16 <coderjjt009> hey guys, quick question
May 08 22:56:21 <coderjjt009> is judging definitely complete?
May 08 22:56:35 <coderjjt009> i need to turn off my server for an operating system upgrade, but was unsure whether i should do so..
May 08 22:57:22 <jasta> i am certain it is, but i would still leave your server up :)
May 08 22:57:36 <coderjjt009> jasta: why?
May 08 22:57:48 <jasta> what if one of the 50 is found to be disqualified, and you are #51? :)
May 08 22:57:48 <Lede> imagine getting removed from the top 50 the last moment ..
May 08 22:58:28 <coderjjt009> but if was 51, i wouldn't be judged again, i would just be moved up to slot 50
May 08 22:58:39 <jasta> maybe, maybe not: just leave it up.
May 08 22:58:51 <jasta> when the winners are announced, shut it down.
May 08 22:58:52 <coderjjt009> ok, but i'm itching to see the new version of ubuntu
May 08 22:58:59 <coderjjt009> 8.04
May 08 22:59:04 <coderjjt009> sounds like it'll be awesome
May 08 22:59:35 <jerkface03> prepare to be disappointed
May 08 23:01:13 <coderjjt009> jerkface03: why?
May 08 23:04:47 <jasta> i have it installed, it's not that special
May 08 23:04:56 <jasta> though, compiz-config has been improved a LOT
May 08 23:04:58 <jasta> that's nice
May 08 23:11:24 <umdk1d3> mmm gentoo  <3
May 08 23:29:20 <f00f-> i was on the bleeding edge of compiiz earlier so no big changes
May 08 23:29:31 <f00f-> one noticeable change is that the file browser in gnome
May 08 23:29:37 <f00f-> has small thumbnails for image files
May 08 23:30:14 <f00f-> which i've been waiting for years on
May 08 23:30:32 <f00f-> lots of updates in the past few days though
May 08 23:30:41 <f00f-> makes me think they prematurely released something
May 08 23:33:04 <jasta> thats how it always goes, though
May 09 01:10:16 <jtoy> its friday here!
May 09 01:11:20 <ligi> here to
May 09 01:11:24 <ligi> May 8.
May 09 01:11:26 <ligi> ^^
May 09 01:11:52 <living_sword> May 9 in India :)
May 09 01:12:22 <ligi> ah 9. here too
May 09 01:12:53 <living_sword> but i think there are still some 12 hrs to go before results
May 09 01:13:07 <ligi> more i think
May 09 01:13:24 <ligi> they wont do it in the morning
May 09 01:13:39 <ligi> late night i think will come some mail
May 09 01:14:00 <living_sword> yeah
May 09 01:14:48 <living_sword> some mail it would be..
May 09 01:15:01 <ligi> ;-)
May 09 01:16:50 <living_sword> where u from ligi ?
May 09 01:16:56 <ligi> germany
May 09 01:17:10 <ligi> its 3am here
May 09 01:17:19 <ligi> and i can't sleep
May 09 01:17:20 <ligi> ^^
May 09 01:17:32 <ligi> playing some go in the internet
May 09 01:17:40 <living_sword> 7 am here. i just woke up to check my inbox :)
May 09 01:18:02 <ligi> ;-)
May 09 01:19:56 <ligi> its not friday where the results comin from
May 09 01:20:16 <f00f-> wait for muthu to join, he'll have some updates...
May 09 01:21:24 <living_sword> ligi : yeah its still evening May 8 there
May 09 01:22:06 <living_sword> around 6:30 pm
May 09 01:22:50 <living_sword> so i guess google is still at work
May 09 01:23:22 <living_sword> finalizing the results
May 09 01:24:27 <duey> i have great news
May 09 01:24:29 <duey> no one wins!
May 09 01:24:51 <living_sword> :|
May 09 01:26:40 <living_sword> duey : so we r all just a bunch of loosers then :))
May 09 01:27:29 <duey> yes!
May 09 01:27:38 <duey> ;)
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