**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 09 02:59:56 2008 May 09 03:25:01 Have you seen the sr71 at the air a space musuem in VA? May 09 03:39:05 dmoffett: SR71 is a spy May 09 03:39:17 never has spoken a word on the channel May 09 03:39:54 Guess the name fits. May 09 03:39:58 :) May 09 03:40:24 look who's back May 09 03:40:50 hey May 09 03:40:58 whats up May 09 03:41:11 you tell me May 09 03:41:18 just woke up to a friday morning May 09 03:41:19 not much May 09 03:41:40 ah, theres about 13 hours till 9am in Cali on friday :) May 09 03:41:53 omg, my mail box is flooded May 09 03:42:06 with what? May 09 03:42:08 mail? May 09 03:42:12 haha May 09 03:42:21 regular junks + not so regular junks May 09 03:42:21 you said flooded, so it could be water? May 09 03:42:31 might be May 09 03:42:35 :) May 09 03:42:48 glad you are here michaelnovakjr May 09 03:42:50 :) May 09 03:42:57 haha May 09 03:43:27 glad to be here :) May 09 03:44:06 i though i was the only one insane ;) May 09 03:44:19 oh no, i am nuts!\ May 09 03:44:24 hehe May 09 06:25:55 almost friday May 09 06:26:07 its friday for me May 09 06:28:13 friday night for me May 09 06:28:20 WHERE ARE THE RESULTS?!?!?!?!! May 09 06:28:25 :P May 09 06:32:11 where you at duey? May 09 06:32:27 new zealand May 09 07:29:43 is anyone working for eclipse project here? May 09 07:29:50 sorry May 09 07:29:53 wrong list May 09 07:29:56 my fault May 09 07:32:02 so, is it friday yet on west coast May 09 07:34:17 http://www.panix.com/~steveo/cgi/is-it-friday-yet.html?TZ=US%2FPacific mm May 09 07:34:51 ok, countdown starts May 09 07:37:33 heh May 09 07:37:47 good morning May 09 07:37:52 mornin May 09 07:37:58 * Lede starts counting May 09 07:38:07 good late evening, past midnight, to you too May 09 07:38:12 10... May 09 07:38:14 :) May 09 07:38:30 muthu, you've prepared another post right? May 09 07:38:37 lol May 09 07:38:40 nope May 09 07:38:42 it might be midnight friday! May 09 07:38:46 i'm keeping quiet for a change May 09 07:38:56 too much heat makes me tired May 09 07:39:12 well, you created all the heat :P May 09 07:39:58 BREAKING NEWS: muthu has stopped posting May 09 07:40:07 duey: do it May 09 07:40:21 lol. May 09 07:40:44 the good thing is, there's a lot of support May 09 07:40:45 hahahahahaaha May 09 07:40:46 which matters more May 09 07:41:08 "I am checking Android Challenge groups and logs even if they seemed to finished judging. I know it's around midnight in San Fransisco. But I don't know why I check logs and groups again and again. I am just like a John Locke who pushed the button every 108 min in Lost." May 09 07:41:28 man, i love the community May 09 07:41:30 f00f-: same thing with everyone May 09 07:41:38 not really May 09 07:41:40 im not checking May 09 07:42:44 duey: you are a droid ;) May 09 07:47:14 did anyone get notified yet? May 09 08:44:26 hi all May 09 08:44:32 resultats are today ? May 09 08:46:14 we hope so May 09 08:46:23 next year May 09 08:48:55 I hope to not be the #51 May 09 08:49:06 #51 will be cruel May 09 08:49:07 haha May 09 08:49:12 I would prefer to be #1787 May 09 08:49:15 i hope not to be 50+ May 09 08:49:22 #51 is so close.. but so far May 09 08:49:43 #51 = chocolate winner May 09 08:49:57 that's why they dont release top 100 May 09 08:49:59 or the ranks May 09 08:50:55 You think we will receive an email which just, "you win" or "you lose" May 09 08:50:59 without any more comment ? May 09 08:51:08 only winners i think May 09 08:51:46 they should notify everyone May 09 08:52:15 it would be a winner notification mail May 09 08:52:19 for top 50 May 09 08:53:13 Well, 1788, don't you think it's small ? May 09 08:54:25 1788 was less than what i thought May 09 08:54:56 I would imagine moe than 10.000 submissions May 09 08:55:11 There are a lot of Java developers May 09 08:55:37 and writting an Android application is not so hard for a Java developer May 09 08:58:11 i don't think many people knew about the ADC May 09 08:59:06 i think to many people knew about it ;) May 09 08:59:09 yeap, might be not enough communication (and time) around it. May 09 09:04:13 good luck May 09 09:07:00 we'll see more for ADC 2 May 09 09:10:51 night folks, good luck to 'ye all! May 09 09:11:02 f00f-: good luck May 09 09:39:40 i won!!! May 09 09:39:47 heh May 09 09:39:49 jk May 09 09:39:50 i wish May 09 09:39:58 i hope so too May 09 09:40:01 let everone w in May 09 09:40:17 see even the keyboard doesn't want to get that right May 09 09:40:23 let everyone win May 09 09:40:26 ha! May 09 09:40:51 guess the results would be announced, india sleeping time May 09 09:46:31 muthu: ill wake you up with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4YkSFa5CXw May 09 09:46:43 let me check May 09 09:48:16 haha May 09 09:48:24 Lede: for once you are funny! May 09 09:48:27 :-) May 09 09:48:35 :( May 09 09:48:36 its in tamil which i understand May 09 09:48:45 that's really funny! May 09 09:49:01 muthu: they sometimes say something in english don't they? May 09 09:49:13 Lede: thx May 09 09:49:32 oh yeah May 09 09:49:40 indian songs use a lot of english words May 09 09:49:54 in fact people use english so much in their regular conversation May 09 09:50:05 its all mixed up May 09 09:50:10 pretty crazy May 09 09:51:31 its 6 pm friday here, will i know by my tonight? May 09 09:51:49 doubt it May 09 09:52:22 that sucks, guess i need to wait until saturday May 09 09:52:41 jtoy: it's like 3 AM in mountain view now May 09 09:53:07 unless morrildl is working in the middle of the night May 09 09:53:41 am pretty sure it would be friday evening goog time May 09 09:53:51 so they post, and everyone leaves for the weekend May 09 09:54:28 if they don't post it today the we will have to wait 3 days! May 09 09:54:32 :( May 09 09:54:57 muthu: this one is also funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ May 09 10:05:53 * Lede listens to "Bhangra Knights vs. Husan" May 09 10:06:19 * Lede does the head movement May 09 10:26:21 * Lede feels ignored May 09 10:26:50 Lede: what's up ? May 09 10:27:05 * Lede feels better May 09 10:27:38 muthu: you know Bhangra Knights May 09 10:27:45 nope May 09 10:27:51 Bhangra is a punjabi dance May 09 10:28:04 what is punjabi May 09 10:28:15 we have many language/culture/state in india May 09 10:28:20 punjab is a state May 09 10:28:24 northern state May 09 10:28:28 oh ok May 09 10:28:37 each state does it own thing May 09 10:28:41 india is a mystery May 09 10:29:19 well, that happens in every large country May 09 10:30:11 like china May 09 10:30:28 right May 09 10:31:07 even indians cannot move around their country without being surprised May 09 10:31:13 its all different in every state May 09 10:31:25 heh May 09 11:17:49 mornin fellas May 09 11:22:21 mornin May 09 11:22:29 acsia: how you been? May 09 11:22:42 not to bad, yourself? May 09 11:22:57 it was a strange week May 09 11:22:59 I ve been overwhelmed with 'real' work May 09 11:23:04 nothing got done personally May 09 11:23:07 yes it has been May 09 11:23:09 its a total waste of time May 09 11:23:21 I want to refactor my code entirely May 09 11:23:25 did not have time lately May 09 11:23:30 why refactor? May 09 11:24:00 well I need to do some functionnal changes and add further testing May 09 11:24:15 ok May 09 11:24:17 so I decided to start from scratch more or less May 09 11:24:31 well with help of ctrl+c and ctrl+v May 09 11:24:38 how bout you? May 09 11:24:45 i'm just waiting May 09 11:25:05 hehe May 09 11:25:08 yes May 09 11:25:32 like a few others May 09 11:25:33 I'm getting anxious May 09 11:25:44 getting nervous...... May 09 11:26:10 same here... this week end I hitting the bottle for any outcome May 09 11:26:20 lol May 09 11:26:28 hitting the bottle is the sure thing May 09 11:26:34 for sure May 09 11:26:41 1788 parties May 09 11:26:42 haha May 09 11:26:46 lol May 09 11:27:23 hope the results are announced in this channel first May 09 11:27:40 you know where to look? May 09 11:27:42 hehe I would believe by email directly May 09 11:27:47 when you see a googler log in an +op themselves to change the subject run to the developers blog May 09 11:27:48 zhobbs: ready with the flash news? ;) May 09 11:28:17 muthu: yeah, hopefully I'll be around May 09 11:28:23 cool May 09 11:28:28 i might be in sleep May 09 11:28:31 if its late May 09 11:28:40 I think it could be May 09 11:28:40 BREAKING!!!! May 09 11:28:43 hehe May 09 11:28:48 what s your number we ll send you a text ;) May 09 11:28:51 another 12 hours even May 09 11:29:06 +91 98403 48914 May 09 11:29:09 text me May 09 11:29:17 hehe ;) May 09 11:29:31 but don't spam me May 09 11:29:44 no worries May 09 11:29:58 it would be +44 if it comes from me May 09 11:30:21 acsia: you in chennai right May 09 11:30:29 nope londond May 09 11:30:31 london May 09 11:30:34 ok May 09 11:30:36 are international sms's usually extra? May 09 11:30:46 * Lede calls muthu May 09 11:30:47 extra yes May 09 11:30:55 i will scream TWINKIE HOUSE May 09 11:30:59 omg May 09 11:31:06 * muthu hides from Lede May 09 11:31:51 there are free sms services though May 09 11:31:57 awh May 09 11:32:06 "the number you chose is blocked" May 09 11:32:22 well if it comes from a free service, I lost, if from my phone, I ve won May 09 11:32:25 muthu: too bad, i almost screamed twinkie house at you May 09 11:32:45 cool May 09 11:32:51 Lede: really, that's my number May 09 11:32:56 why blocked? May 09 11:33:37 i dunno May 09 11:34:25 oh wait May 09 11:36:02 i send you a text May 09 11:36:16 lol May 09 11:36:35 ok, text me when the results are out May 09 11:36:43 i call you! May 09 11:36:57 only if you win thoufh May 09 11:37:01 though* May 09 11:37:03 cool May 09 11:43:36 Ubuntu Mobile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NviXg_1g4 May 09 11:47:47 that is one huge phone May 09 11:48:12 right, like a mini pc May 09 11:48:22 something like that May 09 12:01:55 quiet May 09 12:02:07 calm before storm May 09 12:02:11 eeerrrieee May 09 12:32:33 <_Marvin_> nice reply in the forum living_sword May 09 12:33:01 some1 had to May 09 12:33:07 huh? May 09 12:33:09 <_Marvin_> yes May 09 12:33:13 <_Marvin_> bravo May 09 12:33:35 which thread? link me! May 09 12:34:09 <_Marvin_> http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/21709be089b9a64c?hl=en May 09 12:34:30 :\ that's not a forum May 09 12:35:34 <_Marvin_> who cares :) May 09 12:35:54 for one, he was off topic and second, he's just driving traffic to his site. that too for such content May 09 12:37:49 <_Marvin_> call that a forum, a discussion group a kind of mailling list rendered into a web page... May 09 12:38:22 <_Marvin_> each new presentation gets a new nam :) May 09 12:39:11 but he is offtopic on all of them May 09 12:40:16 <_Marvin_> yes, off topic... spam is maybe too much... we could say he is definitely flooding the discussion group :) May 09 12:40:32 nothing much u can do. some people abuse freedom of speech May 09 12:41:12 <_Marvin_> freedom of speech could be use to justify excessive content too... May 09 12:41:19 still no results ... pressure is growing ... May 09 12:41:22 <_Marvin_> yep May 09 12:41:38 <_Marvin_> I'm pretty sure I'm out :) May 09 12:41:52 lyse, i think May 09 12:41:55 theres still 3-4 hrs i suppose May 09 12:42:00 results will be available in 3-4 h May 09 12:42:04 lol May 09 12:42:12 sorry living_sword May 09 12:42:15 think so too May 09 12:42:26 because of timezone and tim shift May 09 12:42:28 4 hours, too lonngggggg. May 09 12:42:28 that means its correct ;) May 09 12:42:29 because of timezone and time shift May 09 12:42:38 <_Marvin_> There are a lot of application submitted by startups with real business plan and investors that we did not see. May 09 12:42:45 <_Marvin_> I guess May 09 12:42:58 _Marvin_, May 09 12:43:00 yep May 09 12:43:07 because May 09 12:43:17 why should a startup post their brilliant ideas May 09 12:43:31 to the public before winning for example May 09 12:43:32 <_Marvin_> they submit but keep it hidden May 09 12:43:35 yes May 09 12:43:38 definitly May 09 12:43:47 ADC is a good opportunity for startup May 09 12:43:54 yep. i havent revealed my idea yet. May 09 12:44:07 <_Marvin_> so what will pbe the ratio visible vs hidden apps in the top 50 list? May 09 12:44:22 30 hidden May 09 12:44:26 20 public May 09 12:44:29 Do you we have the choice to hide ?? May 09 12:44:30 min. May 09 12:44:40 <_Marvin_> yep, I think it will be arround 50% May 09 12:45:36 could be less, around 20-30% will be the announced apps May 09 12:45:50 rest could be hidden ones May 09 12:45:54 hopefully May 09 12:45:58 because the hidden ones May 09 12:46:07 are most ofen the more brilliant ones May 09 12:46:11 yep May 09 12:46:16 <_Marvin_> I got server hits until may 7th May 09 12:46:21 but in case of enkin or paralellkingdom, brilliant and public :) May 09 12:46:42 agreed May 09 12:46:56 <_Marvin_> finishing within 100 and 51 place would be devastating :) May 09 12:47:04 I may have a hint from judege on May 5th May 09 12:47:08 _Marvin_, lol May 09 12:47:22 I'm not sure, IP was coming from Spain May 09 12:47:36 Where do you hits come from ? Marvin ? May 09 12:47:37 <_Marvin_> it looks like testing was world wide May 09 12:47:55 <_Marvin_> I did not enabled detailed logs May 09 12:48:12 <_Marvin_> I only know when and for how much time the app was used May 09 12:48:12 With IP and VisualTraceRoute, you can know May 09 12:48:19 i didnt have a server, so i dont know where i stand :| May 09 12:48:53 <_Marvin_> so livingsword it's going to be a pure surprise ... what an adventure :) May 09 12:49:07 yep May 09 12:49:35 <_Marvin_> ok, why do you thing we have to wait for 3 to 4 hours? May 09 12:49:55 <_Marvin_> I think it's going to be late friday us time May 09 12:49:56 its 5:45 am in california May 09 12:50:06 no one works early morning May 09 12:50:41 i think it will be may 9. here when they release results May 09 12:50:53 10. i mean May 09 12:50:57 <_Marvin_> in fact they will say: "Results are known and emails were sent to apps authors" May 09 12:51:01 <_Marvin_> period :) May 09 12:51:30 i dont mind as long as i get the email ;) May 09 12:51:48 or they change the the FAQ into "Month of May 5." May 09 12:52:22 wow, there will be widespread heart attacks May 09 12:54:40 i wonder if the winners will be allowed to reveal the contents of the mail May 09 12:55:11 i don't think you can prohibit that May 09 12:55:35 if it wasn't in the rules May 09 12:56:51 maybe it will be mentioned below in the mail May 09 12:57:12 it will not be legally binding May 09 12:57:34 you are not in the military, and they're not your officers May 09 12:57:53 unless they made you sign NDA they can forget it May 09 12:58:45 yeah, email is public May 09 12:59:04 but goog said it would disclose the 50 winners anyways May 09 12:59:12 yeah May 09 12:59:18 they want publicity after all May 09 12:59:24 correct May 09 12:59:36 hard to build up hype if you conceal the best showcases May 09 12:59:38 what's the point in all this hushhush.. they'll go public May 09 13:00:00 Who will be the first one to say "I've received the email" ... May 09 13:00:13 never know May 09 13:00:25 i think the results would be out 5PM goog time May 09 13:00:39 The first telling that will make others stress a lot :-) May 09 13:00:47 haha May 09 13:00:57 best would be May 09 13:01:02 if they publisch the results May 09 13:01:08 on show them on a real device May 09 13:01:12 that would kick ass May 09 13:01:18 oh yeah May 09 13:01:22 and hype it May 09 13:01:28 show them off in the real device May 09 13:01:29 ^10 May 09 13:01:34 yeah May 09 13:01:41 dthat would be really cool May 09 13:01:57 i think all submitters will get email regardless May 09 13:02:07 I'm wondering what they will ask to the 50 winners for next phase ? May 09 13:02:19 that's going to be tough May 09 13:02:24 50 to 20 May 09 13:03:00 Yes, but will they ask to implement new features ? May 09 13:03:20 lyse: they don't tell you anything May 09 13:03:28 its upto you to jazz it up May 09 13:03:48 How do you know that ? It's in the terms ? May 09 13:03:48 yeah May 09 13:03:55 wooohoo May 09 13:04:19 that's an easy way to freak everyone up, am I right? May 09 13:04:25 nope May 09 13:04:29 its been played a lot May 09 13:04:39 now no one believes it ;) May 09 13:04:40 k, just had to try May 09 13:05:08 but anyways, good luck to everyone for next round, we'll see there May 09 13:05:17 now off to watch some tv May 09 13:05:17 o_O, so a new APK could be submitted for pahse 2 ? May 09 13:05:21 * o_0 sets the email checker to check every 1 second May 09 13:05:27 :D May 09 13:05:46 Hai-Fai: good luck May 09 13:05:49 lyse, yes, that's the idea May 09 13:06:01 lyse: yes May 09 13:06:07 improve and submit May 09 13:06:08 ok, no instructions, no help, no clue .... May 09 13:06:10 otherwise they could tell 20 winners straight away May 09 13:06:24 Well, not easy May 09 13:06:34 just the same May 09 13:06:39 lyse: of course will be instructions May 09 13:06:43 pick 50, pick 20 out of those May 09 13:06:45 :) May 09 13:07:03 Yes, one instruction, be in the 20 May 09 13:07:06 :-) May 09 13:07:09 haha May 09 13:07:29 BTW: Don't you think that 1788 is small ? May 09 13:08:30 i don't May 09 13:08:38 try counting from 1 to 1788 aloud May 09 13:08:57 lyse: yeah its small May 09 13:09:00 expected more May 09 13:09:06 Me too May 09 13:09:12 10000 May 09 13:09:17 right May 09 13:09:25 Many Java developers ... Android is easy May 09 13:09:38 amazing how 1788 was almost the number of members in challenge May 09 13:09:44 at that time May 09 13:10:52 you don't just need to know some java May 09 13:10:58 you also need to have an idea May 09 13:11:06 and willingness to spend your time with uncertain outcome May 09 13:11:55 Yeap, time of course May 09 13:12:02 time is money May 09 13:12:21 and depending on your income and grandness of your idea, maybe-$25k can seem like not that much of reward May 09 13:12:32 a lot of college students participated May 09 13:12:36 they are the one who'll win May 09 13:12:48 young, agressive, fearless May 09 13:13:29 also unfocused and inexperienced :) May 09 13:13:39 haha May 09 13:13:47 i don't think it's easy to generalize demographics here May 09 13:13:53 but there sure will be student winners May 09 13:13:59 some people are just smart May 09 13:14:00 i bet May 09 13:14:25 What are your favorites from the known submitions ? May 09 13:14:36 what's yours? May 09 13:14:44 the two guys from germany, with this augumented reality navigation thing May 09 13:14:50 students, too :) May 09 13:14:57 I've seen an app the get a Taxi May 09 13:15:05 varjag: great example, exactly May 09 13:15:33 my favs: enkin, parallel kingdom, commandro May 09 13:15:45 yeah, enkin was that May 09 13:16:01 o_0, do you know other submissions? May 09 13:16:03 some other good picks too, but i need to try those first May 09 13:16:07 i only know these 3 May 09 13:16:24 cutmasta: those are the top 3 for me May 09 13:16:29 for me too May 09 13:16:40 idea is brilliant May 09 13:16:45 and coding seems so too May 09 13:16:52 yup, perfect mix May 09 13:17:16 there'll be atleast 15 utility related apps that'll win May 09 13:17:37 weather, taxi, cooking etc., May 09 13:17:43 cooking May 09 13:17:44 lol May 09 13:17:45 since people will use them right away May 09 13:17:49 cutmasta: :) May 09 13:18:03 multiplayer games May 09 13:18:10 will be also a thing to look at May 09 13:18:12 ofcourse a lot of games May 09 13:18:13 like paralellkingdom May 09 13:18:22 that could be a killer game in the mobile world May 09 13:18:40 everyone wants to build a new town , in the town he already lives :) May 09 13:18:49 and attack the neighbours May 09 13:18:51 ;) May 09 13:19:00 yeah, the virtual stuff is the rage May 09 13:19:20 especially killing each other May 09 13:19:22 hehe May 09 13:19:52 :) May 09 13:20:32 some of the social networking stuff looks overdone May 09 13:20:35 but some nice ideas too May 09 13:20:47 anyone think the apps will not be categorized? May 09 13:21:03 the top 50 ones May 09 13:21:12 i think it'll be straight alphabetic list May 09 13:21:23 social networking will be big part May 09 13:21:26 but not too much May 09 13:21:27 varjag: i'm saying in the judging process May 09 13:21:39 please not a second facebook or myspace May 09 13:21:46 o_0, no May 09 13:21:54 right May 09 13:21:56 these social networks should build a mobile network, May 09 13:22:08 for easy messaging May 09 13:22:12 living_sword: i know what you are saying.. but May 09 13:22:54 some sort of a grouping will be done May 09 13:23:18 cutmasta, iirc there is a submission like that too May 09 13:23:39 o_0, could be possible. May 09 13:23:52 living_sword: right, possible May 09 13:23:54 varjag, really? May 09 13:24:26 didn't write it down, but pretty sure it was listed in the discussion group May 09 13:24:49 hm May 09 13:25:09 thing is, there probably was a submission for any obvious idea we can think of, plus some May 09 13:25:37 irc app was called andnet or something May 09 13:25:40 Kraln did it May 09 13:26:17 we have to comeup with something cooler for ADC 2 May 09 13:26:24 like, this enkin thing was my first idea when i started to look into the challenge, but i knew i won't make it in time May 09 13:27:43 and given how impressive these guys demo was, am glad i didn't waste my time :) May 09 13:28:25 ADC2 with a real device May 09 13:28:34 that would have more entries May 09 13:28:43 hehe May 09 13:28:54 o_0, lets put some chips together May 09 13:28:59 and make one :) May 09 13:29:04 why not? May 09 13:43:59 wait ... wait ... it's too long May 09 13:55:51 what's the goog time now? May 09 13:56:09 almost 7am May 09 13:56:29 hmm.. still a lot of time to go May 09 13:57:01 zhobbs: enjoying new place? May 09 13:59:02 muthu: yeah, very close to the beach May 09 13:59:09 <_Marvin_> did I miss something? May 09 13:59:21 cool.. have fun May 09 14:00:23 zhobbs`: awesome May 09 14:02:33 <_Marvin_> There should be a special prize for "husband/wife of winners"... since 5 month of weird behavior is more than enough to kill a mariage or anykind of relationship :) May 09 14:02:51 :) May 09 14:02:52 it's really a consolation prize May 09 14:03:04 for all 3 people with spouses who spent time on this May 09 14:03:05 hehe May 09 14:03:10 <_Marvin_> haha May 09 14:03:23 <_Marvin_> I'm one of the 3 then... May 09 14:03:55 <_Marvin_> and a special consolation prize for the kids :) May 09 14:04:04 just don't kill your wife May 09 14:04:34 you know like how they say Reiser did May 09 14:04:56 <_Marvin_> She anted to throw my stuff out of the window several time :) May 09 14:06:36 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3SbqPv-Ms May 09 14:06:55 skip to 06:00 May 09 14:08:29 or 06:50 May 09 14:11:05 <_Marvin_> this story is so weird May 09 14:11:19 yeah, it's really weird May 09 14:12:25 <_Marvin_> ok, so what time is is now in california? :) May 09 14:12:57 7:12 AM May 09 14:13:06 <_Marvin_> that's early May 09 14:13:21 <_Marvin_> here it's 4:13PM :) May 09 14:13:30 _Marvin_: here too May 09 14:13:37 <_Marvin_> ho... May 09 14:13:39 <_Marvin_> :) May 09 14:14:06 _Marvin_: will be May 10 here when the results are comin May 09 14:14:16 <_Marvin_> that gives me your aproximate longitude :) May 09 14:14:29 ;-) May 09 14:14:51 <_Marvin_> Closest big city here is PAris :) May 09 14:15:12 here it's berlin May 09 14:15:27 i think i can hear the google office doors open from the other side of the earth May 09 14:15:39 * Lede puts his ear on the ground May 09 14:16:27 <_Marvin_> that's truly a worldwide contest... May 09 14:16:53 true May 09 14:16:55 <_Marvin_> what will happend to the top 50 men and women ? will they be hunted by corporations? May 09 14:17:15 could be. May 09 14:17:21 <_Marvin_> will they find venture capitalists knocking at their front door during the night? May 09 14:17:37 i think they will startup on their own May 09 14:18:18 <_Marvin_> If you have a special trick to start a company in France without going bankrupt before you even start, let me know. May 09 14:18:20 <_Marvin_> :) May 09 14:18:48 lol, but in india its possible :) May 09 14:18:51 _Marvin_: i know, only hire interns and don't pay them for work May 09 14:18:52 <_Marvin_> :) May 09 14:19:11 <_Marvin_> no way I relocate in India, it's a nice country though May 09 14:19:11 <_Marvin_> :) May 09 14:19:30 <_Marvin_> Thanx Lede :) May 09 14:19:33 _Marvin_: wasnt there a protest because of that in France May 09 14:20:05 in 2005 it hink May 09 14:20:15 <_Marvin_> it's all the time. :) May 09 14:21:03 <_Marvin_> it's an amazing country, gret food,great history, etc. but we have a tendancy to complain a lot about pretty much everything :) May 09 14:21:36 that's good May 09 14:21:37 <_Marvin_> it's good, but sometimes it's a bit too much :) May 09 14:23:03 <_Marvin_> in fact France and germany share this kind of thing as far as I know May 09 14:23:16 <_Marvin_> but your economy is definitely in a better shape May 09 14:23:31 <_Marvin_> you did reorganize a few things we did not. May 09 14:26:05 what is my economy? May 09 14:26:07 ._o May 09 14:40:06 Has anyone gotten anything? May 09 14:40:37 no May 09 14:41:03 goog has not opened yet May 09 14:41:43 someone forgot the key! May 09 14:41:46 think they'll release the results publicly before they send out notifications? May 09 14:41:58 yes, public first May 09 14:42:21 could be both at the same time May 09 14:42:35 living_sword: something has to be first May 09 14:42:46 you can't do it at the same time May 09 14:42:47 i have the key muthu May 09 14:42:53 flight leaves in three hours to deliver it May 09 14:42:55 michaelnovakjr: open it May 09 14:43:10 michaelnovakjr: detour to chennai May 09 14:43:11 haha May 09 14:44:24 if u assume only 1 google engineer working on ADC then then what u said is correct May 09 14:44:41 haha May 09 14:45:01 despite popular belief google is a 50 person company :) May 09 14:45:31 150B / 50 = 3B each May 09 14:45:38 it is opperated by oompa loompas May 09 14:45:45 you can buy 3 beach May 09 14:46:16 and the key is the golden ticket :) May 09 14:46:52 will it be like the oscars.. tight security and all May 09 14:48:13 * zhobbs` is preparing his acceptance speech May 09 14:48:20 and the winner is.... May 09 14:48:21 <_Marvin_> I think private first May 09 14:48:36 * muthu CU on zhobbs May 09 14:48:41 What is the web site for official results ? code.google.com/android ? May 09 14:48:49 www.youdidnotwin.com May 09 14:49:18 lyse: developer blog May 09 14:50:04 "Sorry, Android did not win!" May 09 14:50:27 lol May 09 14:50:45 <_Marvin_> You have to do that with pretty muche evrery app except your own app :) May 09 14:50:52 http://android-developers.blogspot.com/ May 09 14:50:55 correct ? May 09 14:50:57 <_Marvin_> then you feel better May 09 14:51:09 haha May 09 14:51:24 <_Marvin_> I think it's the good place to annonce the results May 09 14:52:04 <_Marvin_> Maybe a phone call :) May 09 14:52:20 <_Marvin_> since we had to provide a phone number in the submition form... May 09 14:53:02 <_Marvin_> "Hello this is Dan, I'm calling you from the latest real device...etc" May 09 14:56:03 dan tortured me yesterday...asked me what projects I worked on and after I told him he just replied "heheheheheh" and won't tell me anything else May 09 14:56:31 really> May 09 14:56:38 that must be torture May 09 14:56:44 hehehehehe May 09 14:56:44 i think thats a good sign May 09 14:56:56 is that you have won everything? May 09 14:57:12 a bad sign would be like "hmmmmmm" May 09 14:57:17 haha May 09 14:57:19 haha May 09 14:57:23 that would have been bad May 09 14:57:28 or he saying "really"? May 09 14:57:29 or he could just be really screwing with you :) May 09 14:57:46 worst would have been "nice.." or "okay.." May 09 14:57:53 or "oh, nevermind" May 09 14:57:57 <_Marvin_> or just "oh...... ok..." May 09 14:58:05 <_Marvin_> :) May 09 14:58:23 or can you go on a vacaction for the next year! May 09 14:58:44 i feel like i am watching cnn or fox news... you know the guys that over analyze everything because they have a 6 hour show to tell you a half hour's worth of stuff May 09 14:58:52 I'd need to win all $300k to be able to go on vacation for a year May 09 14:59:02 <_Marvin_> Dan obviously like to play :) He said: "results on friday" then a few line later added "but... it's always friday in california" May 09 14:59:13 :) May 09 14:59:16 hah May 09 14:59:26 he also never said which friday May 09 14:59:28 yeah, 6pm, getting drunk already May 09 14:59:33 <_Marvin_> exactly :) May 09 14:59:35 dan is having a lot of fun lately May 09 15:00:25 i wonder if there will be someone with multiple apps in the top 50 May 09 15:00:38 Lede, unlikely May 09 15:00:59 that'll get filtered May 09 15:01:00 what-if! May 09 15:01:06 awh May 09 15:01:11 you might in top 100 May 09 15:01:14 but not in 50 May 09 15:01:21 it will be resolved during post-process May 09 15:01:22 i don't want to know May 09 15:04:01 man May 09 15:04:07 speed up time! May 09 15:04:14 haha May 09 15:04:45 dan would be terrified to enter this channel right now May 09 15:05:09 he'd be writing mails :) May 09 15:05:17 Dan is stuck in traffic on some freeway. :-) May 09 15:05:50 god help Dan May 09 15:14:30 Good Luck to all the submitters and I hope your pain is over soon. May 09 15:14:48 dmoffett: good luck to you May 09 15:15:28 Regardless of the outcome I have had great fun reading this irc. May 09 15:16:14 * Lede slowly starts playing "We'll meet again" by Vera Lynn May 09 15:16:32 had an awesome demo of Trak http://www.trak.fr/site/en/ an Android based Twitter client that can Tweet your geolocation and track ur friends May 09 15:17:57 It would be nice to have a countdown for results May 09 15:19:38 nobody knows the exact time except for dan almighty May 09 15:21:19 muthu: that is a bit creepy May 09 15:21:35 i don't want my friends to be able to see my location all the time :0 May 09 15:21:46 or any of the time for that matter May 09 15:21:47 michaelnovakjr: guess that's one of the apps May 09 15:21:59 took it from twitter May 09 15:22:04 someone tweeted it May 09 15:22:12 weird May 09 15:22:46 Maybe the legals are saying "We have a problem, the contest has to be cancelled ..." May 09 15:24:12 Someone in the ADC forums has just said: May 09 15:24:21 shhhhh. May 09 15:24:26 "we had some hits tomorrow at about 12am San Francisco time" May 09 15:24:33 let's have a zen like moment May 09 15:24:41 lyse: what does that mean? May 09 15:25:25 I think we would say "today not tomorrow" May 09 15:25:40 So, it could mean it's a hit from a legal May 09 15:25:56 hits tomorrow? May 09 15:26:12 12am May 09 15:26:38 yes legal is now doing their judging May 09 15:26:53 come on guys.... reading waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much into this stuff May 09 15:27:35 Usually, legals take a lot of time to make sure ... May 09 15:27:47 I mean severals weeks May 09 15:28:29 Maybe they will announce winners subject to legal review. May 09 15:29:15 or just not announce it until people stop talking about it May 09 15:37:44 <_Marvin_> what is "legal" review May 09 15:37:59 it means pizza party May 09 15:37:59 <_Marvin_> is it like: what country is it from? May 09 15:38:01 <_Marvin_> etc? May 09 15:38:06 <_Marvin_> haha May 09 15:38:18 <_Marvin_> stamps on paper, signature? May 09 15:38:44 checking for copyright infringement May 09 15:38:47 its going to delay the results May 09 15:39:00 A conversation is language only lawyers understand and charge the crap out of you. May 09 15:39:12 I guess Google in this case. May 09 15:40:09 they might check for copy righted material in your entry etc. May 09 15:40:10 if they check for patent infringement we'll get the results in october May 09 15:40:42 we are getting them in october... the first friday in october May 09 15:40:52 :) May 09 15:41:02 <_Marvin_> copyright infrigment? May 09 15:41:04 <_Marvin_> oops May 09 15:41:13 I think if they are waiting for people to stop talking about it you are right. May 09 15:41:22 exactly :_ May 09 15:41:28 lol May 09 15:41:50 so more tornadoes last night May 09 15:41:55 <_Marvin_> I actually extract streetview content directly from the servers... May 09 15:41:59 where? May 09 15:42:27 <_Marvin_> well, a public server is a public server... May 09 15:42:27 North Carolina saw some and another state as well. cant remember exactly May 09 15:42:42 Better check in with my Mom. May 09 15:42:51 i am pushing my system live tonight May 09 15:42:57 cool May 09 15:43:22 i believe the NC area is under tornado watch today because of the storm system in the area May 09 15:43:36 thank you May 09 15:43:44 :) May 09 15:44:59 My mother, grand parents where in Suffolk Medical Center when that last one went through. A truck hit the building. May 09 15:45:23 wow May 09 15:45:29 <_Marvin_> it was the truck containing all the judges votes... May 09 15:45:54 Suffolk is about as far away as you can get from Mountain View. May 09 15:46:21 whoa, i just got an e-mail! May 09 15:46:26 i'm scared to open it! May 09 15:46:27 <_Marvin_> ! May 09 15:46:30 jasta: ? May 09 15:46:52 holy shit May 09 15:46:52 me too! May 09 15:46:58 jasta: mail from googe or just a mail? May 09 15:46:59 it says "Re: this weekend" May 09 15:47:02 lol :) May 09 15:47:08 <_Marvin_> ? May 09 15:47:09 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr May 09 15:47:12 im just messin with you guys May 09 15:47:26 :) May 09 15:47:32 Some of us are old and our hearts can't take the abuse. May 09 15:47:36 <_Marvin_> your assets should be crushed and melted :) May 09 15:47:41 maybe they will stop talking about it now :) May 09 15:48:27 <_Marvin_> now if someone gets an email, nobody will believe him. May 09 15:48:44 boy who cried wolf :) May 09 15:48:49 <_Marvin_> yes May 09 15:49:08 they said they were gonna e-mail the losers May 09 15:49:18 <_Marvin_> who said that? May 09 15:49:38 <_Marvin_> so everybody will receive an email, ok May 09 15:49:46 relax man May 09 15:49:47 dan did May 09 15:49:58 i hope it says something like "GOOGLE HATES YOU!" May 09 15:50:05 _Marvin_ i changed your email password so good luck with that :) May 09 15:50:18 <_Marvin_> :) May 09 15:50:33 Did someone forget their meds? May 09 15:50:37 so are they only announcing over email, not publishing on web? May 09 15:50:45 <_Marvin_> michael, I changed your name to mine in your submition entry on google server :) May 09 15:51:07 jasta, or WHY DID YOU EVEN BOTHER........THAT IS TIME OF YOUR LIFE YOU WILL NEVER GET BACK!!! May 09 15:51:31 <_Marvin_> come on May 09 15:51:46 or, i stepped on gum this morning and it made me think of how i felt when judging your app :) May 09 15:51:56 oh snap :P May 09 15:52:05 <_Marvin_> When I sum up the amount of things I learned doing what I did, it was worth it May 09 15:52:18 1 + 1 = 5.5 May 09 15:52:27 <_Marvin_> yep :) in fixed numbers :) May 09 15:52:28 that is all you will ever need in life May 09 15:53:41 jasta, Minus The Bear? May 09 15:54:42 What is the google time ? 9:00 AM ? May 09 15:54:52 almost May 09 15:54:54 google time is a 30 hour clock May 09 15:54:57 almost 9 am May 09 15:54:59 yep 8:51am pst ;) May 09 15:55:06 8:55 May 09 15:55:17 see look we can't even settle on a time :) May 09 15:55:21 hmm i might need to ntpdate ;) May 09 15:57:10 michaelnovakjr__: they were AWESOME May 09 15:57:21 sweet May 09 15:58:29 you've got mail May 09 15:58:49 orly? May 09 15:59:02 never seen that movie? May 09 15:59:10 lol May 09 15:59:15 ...dont even joke about email today :P lol May 09 15:59:23 i haven't. May 09 15:59:33 mostly because it was terrible and for girls. May 09 15:59:39 http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/05/adc-results-postponed.html May 09 15:59:50 lol May 09 16:00:17 :( :) May 09 16:00:22 bastard May 09 16:00:25 :O loool May 09 16:00:42 everyone is really tense :) May 09 16:00:47 its totally true ;) May 09 16:00:47 How old are you all ? May 09 16:00:50 22 May 09 16:00:56 47 May 09 16:01:02 65 May 09 16:01:02 24 May 09 16:01:09 34 May 09 16:01:14 21 May 09 16:01:30 michael, 65, really ? May 09 16:01:33 65 no way! May 09 16:01:41 :) May 09 16:01:43 michaelnovakjr__: is like 23. May 09 16:01:45 or something May 09 16:01:46 22 May 09 16:02:08 so, dmoffett is the older May 09 16:02:13 yep May 09 16:02:17 Is there a prize for the older ? May 09 16:02:23 a walker? May 09 16:02:27 :) May 09 16:02:27 Still kick your ass on a bike though. May 09 16:02:31 haha May 09 16:02:45 dmoffett: did you see alive dinosaurs ? May 09 16:02:59 Bring your huffy over and we can do the Black Canyon ride. May 09 16:03:06 i am somewhere between a panther and a nake May 09 16:03:07 snake May 09 16:03:11 haha May 09 16:03:20 you know he totally has a Huffy too! May 09 16:04:09 I do have NeXT computer which I guess qualifies as a dinasaur. May 09 16:04:35 21, 22 is young, you're at university ? May 09 16:04:37 i have both an atari and comm64 May 09 16:04:50 lyse, no. May 09 16:04:52 i have a playstation 2 May 09 16:04:55 beat that ;) May 09 16:05:01 I had an atari too May 09 16:05:02 i have a playstation 4 May 09 16:05:06 sweet but not cool the the cube. May 09 16:05:10 its just not here yet May 09 16:05:18 so, i think maybe i should go to work May 09 16:05:44 if its anything like my day jasta don't count on being productive :) May 09 16:05:53 i usually don't May 09 16:06:01 and i'm usually not :) May 09 16:06:02 haha May 09 16:06:23 im also really tired. i stayed out late last night May 09 16:06:29 the show didnt get over until 1am May 09 16:06:34 ncie May 09 16:06:35 ncie May 09 16:06:37 nice May 09 16:06:40 ha May 09 16:06:56 that's the no child left behind at work right there May 09 16:07:16 who else made it to the top50? May 09 16:07:28 uh no one knows May 09 16:07:49 haha, just have to tease =) May 09 16:07:56 now off to watch some icehockey May 09 16:08:02 ;) May 09 16:08:45 <_Marvin_> who made it to top 100? May 09 16:08:54 my cat did May 09 16:09:06 im so tired i can hardly get out of my seat May 09 16:09:17 me too May 09 16:09:18 i don't know if i made it to the top 100, i didn't make my app phone home so to say May 09 16:10:09 I'm not sure if my app did work when they tried it out =D May 09 16:10:31 db was unstable, and went offline every second day or so.. May 09 16:10:38 that sucks May 09 16:10:39 None of really know for sure. May 09 16:10:47 why was the db unstable? May 09 16:11:08 What kind of app was it? May 09 16:11:16 well my service provider had some issues on it, harddiscs crashed etc.. May 09 16:11:17 <_Marvin_> I just saw that I got server hits yesterday... May 09 16:11:20 map app May 09 16:11:40 on of my apps was getting pounded this week May 09 16:11:43 one* May 09 16:11:45 <_Marvin_> was it supposed to be finished (I mean the judging process) May 09 16:11:45 We have had great luck with peer 1 May 09 16:11:52 _Marvin_: what is your app? May 09 16:11:53 yes _Marvin_ May 09 16:12:07 wednesday the scores were in May 09 16:12:14 so no testing yesterday May 09 16:12:27 <_Marvin_> the app is Marvin May 09 16:12:31 i just watched the preview for Iron Man May 09 16:12:35 that movie looks awful May 09 16:12:36 and now back to tv \o May 09 16:12:41 It was actually very good May 09 16:12:46 lies May 09 16:12:49 !lies May 09 16:12:54 Iron man was pretty good. May 09 16:13:00 robert downey jr. is the perfect choice for an alcoholic May 09 16:13:06 it was good? May 09 16:13:09 * Lede wonders what a Marvin is May 09 16:13:12 vol_: because he is one May 09 16:13:12 I thought so. May 09 16:13:12 sorry, that was girlfriend on puter :) May 09 16:13:17 i'm back now@ May 09 16:13:20 michaelnovakjr__: I'm shocked! Shocked! May 09 16:13:25 :) May 09 16:13:27 <_Marvin_> http://marvin.lpontier.com May 09 16:14:14 Uhh ... sorry to disappointment but Erica is my girlfriend, I'm back now! May 09 16:14:55 Convivial: she is a programmer May 09 16:15:19 michaelnovakjr__: resuts been anounced? May 09 16:15:26 yeah May 09 16:15:44 coderjjt009: no one here won May 09 16:15:48 jasta: yeah? May 09 16:15:53 really? May 09 16:15:58 where? May 09 16:16:12 ;_; May 09 16:16:15 via e-mail May 09 16:16:27 then how do you know? May 09 16:16:30 if you didn't get an email by now you lost May 09 16:16:35 there are tons of reports from people who did win May 09 16:16:38 youre in touch with morrill? May 09 16:16:42 yeap, true May 09 16:16:48 jasta: on the group? May 09 16:16:55 yeah, everywhere. blogs, etc. May 09 16:17:02 every on CNN May 09 16:17:34 so what are some notable apps that won? May 09 16:17:37 enkin? May 09 16:17:42 no May 09 16:17:46 that app blows May 09 16:17:53 enkin lost i believe May 09 16:17:53 pong won May 09 16:17:58 what is enkin? May 09 16:18:08 Lede, a complete waste of time May 09 16:18:19 it's ok, i guess May 09 16:18:23 but not great May 09 16:18:34 coderjjt009: basically, if you didn't do location-based social networking, you lost. May 09 16:18:37 coderjjt009, theres a super mario bros port that won May 09 16:18:41 i could see it being useful in certain niches May 09 16:18:57 michaelnovakjr__:WTF? May 09 16:19:03 no fing way May 09 16:19:11 yeah actually the mario port was awesome May 09 16:19:17 yea, someone ported super mario bros from the old school nintendo May 09 16:19:18 it added all kinds of 3D effects and shit May 09 16:19:28 oh, ok May 09 16:19:35 koombas were replaced by ninjas May 09 16:19:35 A port of Tetris also won May 09 16:19:41 luigi looks more italian now.... like a tony soprano May 09 16:19:42 but the effective use of android platmorm? May 09 16:19:52 opengl May 09 16:19:53 i guess the opengl probably counts May 09 16:19:53 oh waitm enkin is that 3D compas thing May 09 16:19:57 right May 09 16:20:01 effective use of the android platform doesn't matter when you have ninjas. May 09 16:20:02 that is actually something i expect to win May 09 16:20:10 enkin === shit May 09 16:20:10 hi May 09 16:20:14 Lede: enkin? May 09 16:20:20 michaelnovakjr__: why shit May 09 16:20:22 coderjjt009: yeah May 09 16:20:29 its a total waste May 09 16:20:43 its not so spectacular May 09 16:20:55 i'll believe it when i see it sort of thing May 09 16:20:58 it's honestly not that bad May 09 16:20:59 Lede: what fool can't combine a GPS unit and a map to find where they are going? May 09 16:21:05 and i don't mean videos May 09 16:21:14 dude, it makes things a lot easier May 09 16:21:19 why May 09 16:21:25 isn't that the point of most apps May 09 16:21:29 it probably wastes alot of battery May 09 16:21:32 jasta: i think it is an awesome idea May 09 16:21:35 i hope they win May 09 16:21:36 i truly don't know anyone who would struggle with real-time GPS and a map. May 09 16:21:47 no one at all. not even my spatially oblivious girlfriend. May 09 16:21:48 jasta, very true May 09 16:21:49 dude, you get your camera out and you freaking see the identity of evertyhing around you May 09 16:21:52 Marvin, how much hits did you get ? May 09 16:22:01 coderjjt009: yeah exactly May 09 16:22:01 she can't read a map, but if you put a dot accurate to within 50m on it, she suddenly can May 09 16:22:05 coderjjt009: did you get an email May 09 16:22:07 it's pretty dang useful May 09 16:22:23 michaelnovakjr__: yeah, won May 09 16:22:31 i can only see enkin being even remotely cool for like guided tours and stuff May 09 16:22:32 not May 09 16:22:39 oo, that sucks May 09 16:22:40 where all the points are fed in from something else May 09 16:22:42 do you have to orient enkin for it to work? May 09 16:22:42 ie, not user input May 09 16:22:54 let's take a step back though. May 09 16:22:56 or be moving? May 09 16:23:08 why don't we all just wait and see when Android handsets are released. May 09 16:23:16 and see if people find Enkin useful May 09 16:23:18 anyway,i'm going to check out the winners... May 09 16:23:22 se ya guys May 09 16:23:31 gps tells the phone where it is but not direction unless you are moving? May 09 16:23:32 later May 09 16:23:33 dmoffett: i don't know how it works, but it seems like you need to move around the mobile devices and point it at a location May 09 16:23:35 see if when you're walking around the city you can actually find people using it May 09 16:23:54 jasta then take their phones and step on them May 09 16:24:01 and say moron.... use a map May 09 16:24:06 my guess is you just won't find it. it won't catch on. May 09 16:24:19 jasta: why so negative? May 09 16:24:20 classic over-engineered problem. May 09 16:24:25 you'd look like an idiot uses one of those May 09 16:24:27 I think you would have to orient it first then the accel would detect movement. May 09 16:24:34 that would make it less useful. May 09 16:24:44 Lede: it's just my opinion. maps is the killer feature on my mobile phone, and even more so since i got a phone with GPS May 09 16:24:55 i just can't imagine what retard would need more than GPS and a map? May 09 16:24:55 i honestly don't even think there's a working prototype of it May 09 16:25:14 also, just because it gives you a HUD of where something is, that doesn't help you if there's a river between you and that thing. May 09 16:25:21 or a freeway you have to find a bridge over or under. May 09 16:25:34 it would need to be a full navigation solution as well May 09 16:25:48 which would hardly work if you're driving, at least. since you can't actually pick up your phone and orient it like that. May 09 16:25:49 does the phone have a compass? May 09 16:26:22 the SDK doesnt May 09 16:26:30 + have support for it May 09 16:26:43 so it would be foot traffic only. and there again, if you can stop on a street corner for 10 seconds, you can easily figure out a map with GPS fixation. May 09 16:26:52 so even if a phone had one, android doesnt have a interface to it May 09 16:27:04 Lede, so this app is fake then May 09 16:27:17 also, do recall that GPS often takes quite a while to fixate. i have GPS on my phone and i usually don't turn it on unless i'm totally lost just because i can google for the intersection i'm at faster. May 09 16:27:20 how can you know what direction you are facing to determine the data to show/ May 09 16:27:29 michaelnovakjr__: you can determine that after motion has occurred. May 09 16:27:40 that seems flaky May 09 16:27:44 yeah, it does May 09 16:27:55 but first it needs to be oriented. May 09 16:28:01 there is just plain no way that app is going to get use. May 09 16:28:10 i don't even think it works May 09 16:28:11 or if moving GPS can help. May 09 16:28:14 i think the video is a fake May 09 16:28:16 people will play with it if they have it. but they won't actually USE it to find anything. May 09 16:28:40 michaelnovakjr__: even if it's not fake, it's still not useful at all May 09 16:28:47 totally May 09 16:29:10 like i said, what about the case where the target object is across some impassable barrier, like a river or freeway? May 09 16:29:23 It is possible they left out the orientation step from the video. May 09 16:29:26 or the ocean :) May 09 16:29:39 enkin woul dcripple you in that case, where a map would make it very obvious May 09 16:29:46 or a huge fat lady that doesn't let you see behind her.... is she the leaning tower? May 09 16:30:07 i just think it's an excellent proof of concept, and a very interesting concept indeed May 09 16:30:15 but is it a practical navigation tool? no way in hell. May 09 16:30:23 totally agreed May 09 16:30:25 i hope you two are joking or something May 09 16:30:33 ? May 09 16:30:37 <_Marvin_> hello morrildl May 09 16:30:42 instead of supporting your fellow developer you seem to enjoy trying to down play them May 09 16:30:52 Lede you must not understand the attention span of the general public May 09 16:31:27 in this case .... work/trouble > reward of app May 09 16:31:42 in that case people won't even get it setup before removing it from their phone May 09 16:31:53 michaelnovakjr__: what is your app? May 09 16:32:03 severe weather warning system May 09 16:32:20 Lede: it's just frustrating that everyone praises an app that will so obviously flop. May 09 16:32:30 michaelnovakjr__: how would you say if i kept repeating and telling you it is useless? May 09 16:32:33 it's bringing the focus of the android platform and this contest in the wrong direction, i think. May 09 16:32:48 Lede, and what would lead you to that assumption? May 09 16:32:59 jasta: yeah I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that May 09 16:33:02 if you had a valid argument for it , then sure May 09 16:33:05 <_Marvin_> I like Enkin May 09 16:33:05 i don't know, i can probably think of some reasons May 09 16:33:11 but that is not the point May 09 16:33:13 Lede: do you have meaningful criticism? May 09 16:33:23 morrildl: go right ahead, but please, do point out specifically what is bullshit. May 09 16:33:25 like your phone ringing in the middle of the night during a tornado warning is useless? May 09 16:33:47 the point is that just because you don't find it an attractive idea or application for the android platform doesnt make it useless and a "waste of time May 09 16:33:50 Well, the "focus" of the Challenge would seem to me to be up to the people who are running it May 09 16:33:50 " May 09 16:34:08 And I am here to say that the "focus" of the Challenge is not on trying to call one kind of app less useful than another May 09 16:34:16 Lede: i am not saying it from the perspective that i will not use the app. i am saying, i believe it won't get used by anyone. May 09 16:34:31 at least not in its current form. perhaps it expands some to an area i can't imagine that finds a more practical use. May 09 16:34:40 if these guys are talented, they could focus energy on something more useful May 09 16:34:40 jasta: and i think you are wrong on that. May 09 16:34:46 Apps will succeed, apps will flop. I'm not really interested in passing judgment on anything other than results May 09 16:34:57 i need to go to the store now. May 09 16:35:00 Personally I always thought blogging was a really stupid idea May 09 16:35:03 morrildl: when are the results? May 09 16:35:12 look who's back May 09 16:35:19 morrildl: You misunderstood me. I meant the focus of the challenge and the platform from the perspective of end users trying to find value in choosing Android. The contest, thus, as a vehicle to promote it. May 09 16:35:20 morrildl i think he is stalking you ;) May 09 16:35:35 jasta: perhaps I did :) May 09 16:35:50 michaelnovakjr__: actually no, I'm stalking muthu May 09 16:35:51 morrildl: And for that, I think in this case Enkin takes that the wrong direction since even most users can not see a use for this app. May 09 16:35:57 In fact I am peeking in his window right now May 09 16:35:59 ooooo look at that muthu! May 09 16:36:00 haha May 09 16:36:02 haha May 09 16:36:09 atlast someone understands me May 09 16:36:19 :) May 09 16:36:27 So if the ADC was to promote it to the forefront, and perhaps other apps with only novelty behind them, then users might see a lack of interest. May 09 16:36:41 jasta totally agreed May 09 16:36:53 jasta: well... since they submitted an entry I can't really comment specifically on Enkin May 09 16:36:55 morrildl: That is precisely what I meant by the focus of the platform and the ADC. May 09 16:37:03 the average user wants a phone to do what they need in a simple way.... with some cool features... but if it cant do the basics whats the point? May 09 16:37:20 but you are definitely correct in that we are focusing on apps that are "real" and accessible to everyday people May 09 16:37:30 morrildl: Well then there you have it. May 09 16:37:47 morrildl, its the best way to approach it May 09 16:37:56 I will say again that I thought blogging was a stupid idea at first, but some people seem to like it :) May 09 16:37:58 that will go a long way with users May 09 16:38:08 It's the Google way to approach it May 09 16:38:11 how about twitter? May 09 16:38:13 :) May 09 16:38:19 morrildl: i admit i fell prey to that as well :) May 09 16:38:19 * morrildl just started on Twitter, which probably says something May 09 16:38:26 haha May 09 16:38:29 Twitter is cool May 09 16:38:38 follow me at intellibitz May 09 16:38:43 except the tracking your friends like they were UPS packages :) May 09 16:38:49 Question: Are results still planned for today ? May 09 16:39:00 lyse: Answer: read the topic. May 09 16:39:08 morrildl: but in the case of Enkin, it introduces nothing functionally new. Google Maps and a GPS unit is exactly what you need to find where you're going :) May 09 16:39:26 jasta, and its simple May 09 16:39:36 i have used it before and it didn't fail on e May 09 16:39:36 me May 09 16:39:42 jasta: are you still fighting with enkin? May 09 16:39:46 haha May 09 16:39:52 accept the fact that it's a neat idea May 09 16:39:52 morrildl: Enkin is trying to be a tool, and in that way is unlike Blogging and other social systems. There's no emotional component there: does Enkin help me find where I am going faster? May 09 16:40:05 muthu: I have, and confessed that even here just a moment ago. May 09 16:40:14 It's a very impressive implementation of a very interesting concept. May 09 16:40:19 jasta: cool May 09 16:40:27 but that doesn't mean its useful May 09 16:40:32 But my prediction is that it will not go beyond that. May 09 16:40:40 like most grad student projects ;) May 09 16:41:05 lot of students will win May 09 16:41:18 they have time :) May 09 16:41:56 muthu: I certainly appreciate the scope of the work involved as well. May 09 16:41:57 anyway, the weather stinks here today May 09 16:42:07 It's quite likely they worked much harder on their app than I did mine. May 09 16:42:07 very dreary day May 09 16:42:25 michaelnovakjr may be you should stay indoors and start cooking ;) May 09 16:42:41 good idea May 09 16:42:45 i am interested to see muthu's app May 09 16:42:49 i am writing a cooking app for android May 09 16:42:51 i use my phone to look up recipes and shit all the time May 09 16:42:54 Re: results -- all I can say right now is that wheels are in motion May 09 16:43:02 muthu: you know what i have always thought would be useful May 09 16:43:05 woah great May 09 16:43:17 jasta: yeah cooking is a useful util May 09 16:43:20 morrildl is that like saying the wheel is spinning but the hamster's dead? May 09 16:43:25 i often find that i have to look up recipes that i intend to make later just so i can see what i need to buy while shopping May 09 16:43:26 which everyone wants and will have it on their phone May 09 16:43:34 a quick way to access ingredients would be very nice May 09 16:43:35 exactly May 09 16:43:40 oh yeah May 09 16:43:41 jasta the shopping component will be usefu May 09 16:43:42 l May 09 16:43:43 you have all that May 09 16:43:48 like, i mean to store recipes you know you like May 09 16:43:49 flag them somehow May 09 16:43:52 being able to have the stuff on your phone while in the store May 09 16:43:56 then quickly pull up the ingredeints while shopping May 09 16:44:00 right May 09 16:44:04 exactly May 09 16:44:13 it would save me from making 10 trips because my fiance forgets everything she needs! May 09 16:44:20 cooking is going to be on the android phone for sure May 09 16:44:23 michaelnovakjr__: I am not sure about the hamster, ask me tomorrow if I am still alive May 09 16:44:28 :) May 09 16:44:29 i often google the recipes, which is very clumsy May 09 16:44:34 Can it add Beer to my wifes shopping list? May 09 16:44:36 it would be especially nice if all my favorites were somehow flagged too May 09 16:44:43 i mean, downloaded ahead of time May 09 16:44:45 so there was no network wait May 09 16:44:52 right May 09 16:44:57 jasta, a network feature would be cool May 09 16:45:01 and actually that's important for another reason: lots of times, large grocery stores (at least in the US) do not have cell service. May 09 16:45:16 and you can also look up your item by aisle May 09 16:45:19 thick concrete walls and such May 09 16:45:21 when you are at the shop May 09 16:45:32 we have stuff on the computer, if you could sync it to the app as you are leaving for the store it would be grat May 09 16:45:34 great May 09 16:45:53 ok, we need jasta sync for that ;) May 09 16:45:58 It is very chatty here today May 09 16:46:06 dmoffett: oh yeah beer May 09 16:46:09 auto add May 09 16:46:19 sold May 09 16:46:19 morrildl, definitely not a productive day in terms of work :) May 09 16:46:25 morrildl : it's friday :) May 09 16:46:26 How many milles for the wheels to go ? May 09 16:46:36 one of the main reasons that native apps on mobile devices win over web-based apps is simply that native apps can cache data passively. May 09 16:46:39 lyse: cross-country in an 87 buick May 09 16:46:42 friday chatty day May 09 16:46:46 which i suppose we will see change with google gears, but still May 09 16:46:50 muthu: will we get to know if we lost by the result of the judges or lawyers said "suspected terrorist" May 09 16:46:58 morrildl: i mean May 09 16:47:05 m May 09 16:47:10 haha May 09 16:47:20 i thought you called me a terrorist ;) May 09 16:47:27 muthu: no May 09 16:47:34 ;-) May 09 16:47:36 ligi: jk May 09 16:47:41 they'll call the fbi May 09 16:47:42 ligi, if you aren't sure i would be concerned at who's listening to your phone and reading your emails ;) May 09 16:48:03 ;-) May 09 16:48:08 i guess this is bad news for my remote bomb detonator app May 09 16:48:18 haha May 09 16:48:21 and at this point who will be at your front door in 5 minutes May 09 16:48:31 ligi, it won't be publisher's clearinghouse May 09 16:51:15 bbl, goin to work May 09 16:51:25 morrildl, do you know how came in 51st place? May 09 16:51:29 who* May 09 16:52:33 I would not want to know unless there was a t-shirt involved. May 09 16:52:53 i would get one made May 09 16:53:07 lol May 09 16:53:24 michaelnovakjr__: yes. yes I do. May 09 16:53:28 it would say..... oh yea? well, i came in 51st place and this is my prize! May 09 16:53:40 morrildl, :) May 09 16:54:02 51st would be harder to take than 1788. May 09 16:54:03 morrilldl, do you know about many different countries for winners ? May 09 16:54:10 morrildl, if i was fortunate enough to get that high, but unfortunately not high enough to get in I would want to know May 09 16:54:25 lyse: lots, actually. I think 18 or 19 last time I counted May 09 16:54:43 great May 09 16:54:54 morrildl: will the winners be posted on google.com May 09 16:55:10 wait what? May 09 16:55:15 participants get android t-shirts? May 09 16:55:25 coderjjt009: eventually May 09 16:55:25 dude, it was a joke May 09 16:55:39 jerkface03: or android phones ;-) May 09 16:55:46 jerkface03: winners get $25,000. They can buy their own shirts. May 09 16:55:53 haha May 09 16:55:54 lol. May 09 16:55:56 morrildl: not winners, participants May 09 16:56:02 morrildl: send me a free t-shirt! May 09 16:56:18 jerkface03, i'll send you one May 09 16:56:53 jerkface03, it'll say..... i met my wife on android - harmony May 09 16:57:02 Phones - I want Phones - no shirts ;-) May 09 16:57:08 with the green dude holding a little red hear May 09 16:57:09 t May 09 16:57:15 "I entered the Android Develops Challenge and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" May 09 16:57:17 morrildl, can you say in which country you have the biggest amount of winners ? USA ? May 09 16:57:22 Developers* May 09 16:57:32 Mars May 09 16:57:44 yea, apparently there's life there and we completely missed it May 09 16:57:55 and they are all programmers May 09 16:59:25 rawr May 09 16:59:57 morrildl, noon May 09 16:59:57 ? May 09 16:59:59 lyse: probably US May 09 17:00:03 * ligi is switching of his spam filter - not that i miss something May 09 17:00:26 I think so, too May 09 17:01:34 it's 19:00 here May 09 17:01:41 time for some mail May 09 17:01:42 ^^ May 09 17:02:02 10:00AM at google ... May 09 17:02:29 will they do it before lunchtime? May 09 17:03:14 they may want to eat quietly, so no May 09 17:03:27 probably monday May 09 17:03:28 lol May 09 17:04:23 did someone above say they are covering it on news networks? maybe just a brief mention, but doesnt seem that big of news for world May 09 17:07:16 lol suspense is killing me, /me goes to find lunch May 09 17:07:20 umdk1d3: I'd be suprised May 09 17:07:50 i doubt sites like zdnet will even have much on it May 09 17:08:12 we aren't rockstars May 09 17:08:19 slashdot will cover it I'm sure May 09 17:08:39 well from above it looks like google wont make public release list until later May 09 17:08:39 all the net news sites will have a story after the results May 09 17:08:45 today is just informing individual ppl May 09 17:08:49 really? May 09 17:08:52 I missed that May 09 17:08:53 i honestly don't care who covers it as long as I can find it out already :) May 09 17:09:24 morrildl, can you confirm yet another rumor? ^ May 09 17:09:42 umdk1d3: who said that? May 09 17:09:46 is there a character limit on the channel topic? May 09 17:10:42 hehe, today is fun May 09 17:10:47 hey zach, haven't seen you around much lately May 09 17:10:48 i am getting antsy now May 09 17:11:28 well, first we are notifying people May 09 17:11:36 jasta: moved and got a job :( May 09 17:11:45 forget the press, participants need to know first May 09 17:11:55 morrildl, will the results be on your website at least today? May 09 17:11:59 after the emails go out, we'll worry about the press May 09 17:12:13 jasta: just starting to get house setup and used to 8-5 life May 09 17:12:25 8-5 life is so much fun :) May 09 17:12:35 morrildl: you going to release screens/apks? May 09 17:12:50 i doubt apks will get released May 09 17:14:23 i am going nuts here now May 09 17:16:02 morrildl, no timeline for today's events? May 09 17:16:14 x) May 09 17:16:20 show me your agenda! May 09 17:16:26 haha May 09 17:17:11 Just imagine your anti-spam dropping this email for ever ... May 09 17:17:44 imagine that your app was actually never tested and seen May 09 17:17:45 i don't even want to grab lunch yet May 09 17:18:04 oh damnit May 09 17:18:10 i just realized GIO has a file monitor interface May 09 17:18:16 i implemented my own inotify crap for my server May 09 17:18:29 * jasta kicks himself May 09 17:18:57 zhobbs`: it's not our IP, so we defintely can't release apks May 09 17:19:51 morrildl, any idea on when to expect or not expect an email? if our service sucks and we miss it that would not be fun May 09 17:22:46 grrr, why is this such a surprise May 09 17:23:43 relax dude May 09 17:24:00 yea, going to grab lunch May 09 17:24:06 need food May 09 17:25:34 man, minus the bear was so awesome last night May 09 17:25:37 my ears are still ringing May 09 17:26:23 what did you celebrate? May 09 17:27:04 nothing, i went to a show May 09 17:28:50 what show? May 09 17:35:21 whats this "Results in" mail on challenge-group May 09 17:35:27 again a fake? May 09 17:36:09 hi plusminus_ May 09 17:36:15 were the results just released ? May 09 17:36:16 hi May 09 17:36:29 http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/41c9ebfcbffc77c7 May 09 17:36:30 perhaps just the winners May 09 17:36:33 <_Marvin_> got a mail :) May 09 17:36:33 i got nothing May 09 17:36:50 grats :) May 09 17:36:55 I also got nothing May 09 17:36:57 :( May 09 17:37:07 plusminus_: welcome in the land of loosers May 09 17:37:12 :-D May 09 17:37:13 ;-) May 09 17:37:17 just got my email :) May 09 17:37:25 our wait is over! May 09 17:37:48 seriously? May 09 17:37:59 seems so May 09 17:37:59 woohoo May 09 17:38:19 you know what was in my f*ing mailbox May 09 17:38:27 ebay : win a dream come true to disney May 09 17:38:35 assholes May 09 17:38:36 lol May 09 17:38:53 ^^ May 09 17:38:54 not that i was expecting anything May 09 17:38:55 yes, mails were supposed to start going out at 10:30 May 09 17:39:03 apparently they are on schedule :) May 09 17:39:08 damnit May 09 17:39:16 all mails went out already ? May 09 17:39:24 there's only 50 :) May 09 17:39:26 morrildl: are (we) the loosers getting mails too? May 09 17:39:34 my mailserver doesn't even break a sweat with that May 09 17:39:41 everyone is supposed to be getting an email May 09 17:39:46 ooo May 09 17:39:52 well that is slightly different May 09 17:39:56 but b/c there are 1,700+, some may take a while to arrive May 09 17:40:02 yes May 09 17:40:07 that makes more sense now May 09 17:40:12 we've been assured that our outgoing mails will not be interpreted as spam, but..... :) May 09 17:40:13 but i was already ok with losing May 09 17:41:02 that's it, we are done May 09 17:41:09 now i can continue working on something else May 09 17:41:16 :D May 09 17:41:28 did we have to use a gmail address? May 09 17:41:35 * Lede hides emotions May 09 17:42:04 michaelnovakjr__: not at all May 09 17:42:12 morrildl: most likely not all 1700 wont get the same email that was sent to mailinglist :) ..."We're pleased to inform you that your entry is among the top 50 submissions and that you will be awarded $25,000 USD." so only winners get that specific email i guess.. May 09 17:42:24 AhtiK: correct :) May 09 17:42:25 good guess May 09 17:42:30 * morrildl is soooo inclined to hide May 09 17:42:43 i guess gmail doesn't get priority in delivery May 09 17:42:54 morrildl: but at least everyone gets at least one email or another? ;) May 09 17:43:15 hide morrildl May 09 17:43:23 * cutmasta has to go, May 09 17:43:40 congrats to all people who will win!! and head up for all the others May 09 17:43:41 bye May 09 17:43:47 bye May 09 17:43:51 AhtiK: everyone gets an email, yes May 09 17:44:00 It would be lame not to May 09 17:44:06 good call May 09 17:44:12 morrildl: great May 09 17:44:19 i still have a problem with ebay May 09 17:44:33 sending an email with the word win in it while expecting this!! May 09 17:44:59 morrildl: thanks May 09 17:45:00 anyone win yet? May 09 17:45:00 jasta, email? May 09 17:45:09 My boss will get the email and he is out somewhere. May 09 17:45:15 that sucks May 09 17:45:25 Did you guys get the results yet? May 09 17:45:33 i didn't May 09 17:45:36 no - nothing here May 09 17:45:37 other people did? May 09 17:45:45 Didn't receive WIN/LOSS mail yet ^^ so i'm still hoping :-D May 09 17:45:45 the emails started going out May 09 17:45:57 Dougie187: I'm in for one of mine, not sure on the other May 09 17:45:57 everyone gets an email Dougie187 May 09 17:46:14 which one zhobbs May 09 17:46:21 TuneWiki May 09 17:46:25 zhobbs you won? May 09 17:46:28 for one of your two apps? May 09 17:46:33 plusminus_, your mailserver does greylisting May 09 17:46:33 zhobbs`: :) May 09 17:46:35 ? May 09 17:46:44 whoa, really? the e-mails went out? May 09 17:46:53 jasta, yes dan confirmed May 09 17:46:53 morrildl: are you making a list to put online somewhere? May 09 17:46:56 morrildl: did my other one win? May 09 17:46:57 to see what apps won? May 09 17:47:07 morrildl did i win did i win did i win May 09 17:47:13 let him breathe! May 09 17:47:18 email is on the way dudes! May 09 17:47:28 lol i just wanna see who won. since im not even in it. May 09 17:47:32 so i wont get an email May 09 17:47:37 i lost May 09 17:47:40 I guess the mails title was not "Gigantic dimension is a great power" :-D May 09 17:47:43 you lost? May 09 17:47:49 yea that blows May 09 17:47:53 how do you know? May 09 17:48:01 got the thanks but no thanks email May 09 17:48:03 all will receive mails May 09 17:48:06 bust. May 09 17:48:08 ya May 09 17:48:12 i thought yours was awesome May 09 17:48:20 apparently not awesome enough May 09 17:48:38 jasta? May 09 17:48:39 i just bit my nail to the point that it really hurts May 09 17:48:42 or muthu? May 09 17:48:43 now i cant hardly type May 09 17:48:45 I also didn't win May 09 17:48:52 whatd did you make plusminus_? May 09 17:48:59 Did anybody get a "Sorry you're a terrorist" e-mail? May 09 17:49:04 lol May 09 17:49:10 PG: im waiting for it May 09 17:49:11 i still havent gotten mine yet May 09 17:49:24 woah, won! May 09 17:49:28 thanks all May 09 17:49:32 morrildl: thanks May 09 17:49:44 You won muthu? May 09 17:49:46 knowing my luck it'll go into SPAM and i wont be able to recover it until i get home May 09 17:49:51 weatherphone rip May 09 17:49:52 Dougie187: yes May 09 17:50:02 muthu: great! May 09 17:50:08 ligi: thanks May 09 17:50:11 muthu: congrats! May 09 17:50:13 muthu: congratulations! May 09 17:50:16 congrats May 09 17:50:17 zhobbs: you too May 09 17:50:19 dmoffett: thanks May 09 17:50:28 congratulations muthu May 09 17:50:28 Dougie187: AndNav --> http://andnav.anddev.org/ May 09 17:50:31 zhobbs: update ha May 09 17:50:39 i think the looser mails get out last May 09 17:50:39 chadkouse: thanks May 09 17:51:11 muthu: i will have to call you! May 09 17:51:26 Lede: lol, thanks May 09 17:51:41 i thought it was your call May 09 17:51:44 :) May 09 17:52:02 congrats to everyone who won! May 09 17:52:09 gah, i still havent gotten an e-mail May 09 17:52:15 this is stupid May 09 17:52:25 ok, got a loser email too May 09 17:52:31 jasta: hang on May 09 17:52:35 i think they're still sending them out May 09 17:52:38 f00f-: thanks May 09 17:53:05 zhobbs: Welcome at the bottom :) May 09 17:53:06 muthu: we still haven't even seen your app!? do you plan to show it off now? May 09 17:53:22 jasta: as i said, my partner is the brain May 09 17:53:26 she decides May 09 17:53:29 muthu: yeah, I'd like to see it May 09 17:53:34 sure May 09 17:53:35 jasta do you have an email yet? May 09 17:53:38 muthu: i called! :( May 09 17:53:39 no May 09 17:53:54 Lede: haha May 09 17:54:03 i wonder if duey won May 09 17:54:04 i collected so much gut to do that you know :P May 09 17:54:10 zhobbs`: can u post the looser mail plz? May 09 17:55:07 see: http://www.anddev.org/android_development_challenge_results_released-t1982.html May 09 17:55:36 (for loosers mail ^^) May 09 17:56:19 jbgakjgkasjhnalhnalksjhnalhnajk May 09 17:56:20 Kraln May 09 17:56:29 plusminus_: thanx May 09 17:56:36 seems like poffy won.. May 09 17:56:51 No May 09 17:56:53 expression extreme happiness, but smashing his keyboard May 09 17:56:55 ^^ May 09 17:56:56 I need to find Kraln May 09 17:56:57 plusminus_: u got that mail? May 09 17:56:59 I don't know yet May 09 17:57:07 yep the loosers-one is mine May 09 17:57:13 I'll smash my keyboard more, if I win May 09 17:57:30 plusminus_: sorry for that - but u did a great job with ur site anyway May 09 17:57:31 " We regret to inform you that your entry was not among the top 50 submissions. However, we'd like to bring a couple of interesting opportunities to your attention ..." May 09 17:57:34 hmpf May 09 17:57:37 got my loser mail May 09 17:57:53 cause interesting opportunities fund development May 09 17:58:43 No t-shirts for the losers? :-) May 09 17:58:54 I already got shirts *DANCE* May 09 17:58:59 hehe May 09 17:59:10 the financial risk is sinking in now..... May 09 17:59:25 <_Marvin_> What about a "I survived the Android Developer Challenge Tshirt :)" May 09 17:59:38 how about a nice cup of stfu May 09 17:59:40 I would buy one! May 09 18:00:00 graaaaaatttttzzz _Marvin_ ! May 09 18:01:33 I'll make a such a shirt... http://www.anddev.org/shop.php May 09 18:01:47 i lost too May 09 18:02:01 jasta? May 09 18:02:42 Do we need a GMail-Account to submit our additional info? May 09 18:02:57 as it keeps questionign me for a ..@google.com account May 09 18:03:02 this is completely lame May 09 18:03:08 jasta, ? May 09 18:03:13 i haven't gotten an e-mail May 09 18:03:15 either way May 09 18:03:25 that really sucks May 09 18:03:28 i wonder if my spam filter got it May 09 18:04:07 its lame they didn't just put a list up May 09 18:04:20 michaelnovakjr__ are you going to resubmit weatherphone in ADC2? May 09 18:04:25 no May 09 18:04:40 jasta if it makes any difference, i havent heard anything on my laptop yet. May 09 18:04:43 i am going to have to find a way to fund it May 09 18:04:53 in order for it to stay operational May 09 18:05:06 i would contact the NOAA May 09 18:05:09 or whatever it is May 09 18:05:16 gov't doesn't give a shit May 09 18:05:31 sooooo May 09 18:05:33 tried contacting them and the FCC..... got nothing back May 09 18:05:35 well maybe some cool company May 09 18:05:58 sooo? May 09 18:06:27 There are other opportunities in the mail, that maybe more suitable? May 09 18:06:44 i have to look at everything, it was expensive to get started up and also to maintaining it May 09 18:06:58 have to see if it is cost effective or not May 09 18:07:09 wow, I'm having trouble working now...I need to jog a lap around the block May 09 18:07:32 yeah. May 09 18:07:58 weatherphone is negative 3k currently May 09 18:08:05 need to figure something out May 09 18:08:32 hosting fees? May 09 18:08:33 maybe some winner will help fund you May 09 18:08:40 michaelnovakjr__: you can always take a loss May 09 18:08:46 or you can keep going for the ADC II :) May 09 18:08:47 of course May 09 18:09:01 i am going to try my luck with the SMS service i think May 09 18:09:06 lol how the hell did you lose 3k May 09 18:09:11 i still can't believe how my phoning-home code fscked up May 09 18:09:25 did you win f00f-? May 09 18:09:29 Lede, machine costs, network costs, energy cost May 09 18:09:29 yeah :) May 09 18:09:36 nice congrats May 09 18:09:39 thanks May 09 18:09:41 theres a full server infrastructure behind it May 09 18:09:57 lol.. May 09 18:10:06 what is so funny? May 09 18:10:07 this is seriously the worst thing that has ever happened May 09 18:10:17 Do we need a GMail-Account to submit our additional info? May 09 18:10:22 as it keeps questionign me for a ..@google.com account May 09 18:10:32 jasta: still no word? May 09 18:10:36 nope May 09 18:10:40 that is ridiculous May 09 18:10:50 same boat here. May 09 18:10:56 its been 40 minutes since they went out May 09 18:11:21 no list on the blog yet May 09 18:11:36 that's the other thing that is stupid May 09 18:11:43 they should have put a list up too May 09 18:11:46 i would think they would just put a list up May 09 18:11:54 for people who are interested but not directly associated with it May 09 18:12:02 they are going to May 09 18:12:04 on Monday May 09 18:12:08 or those that don't want to read the loser email May 09 18:12:08 thats what the winner email says May 09 18:12:09 what.. May 09 18:12:16 thats a long time May 09 18:12:21 jasta, you got one? May 09 18:12:28 no May 09 18:12:32 plusminus posted what the winner e-mail looks like May 09 18:13:02 i tried to send myself a test e-mail and it did not go through May 09 18:13:06 you've got to be kidding me May 09 18:13:12 that really sucks May 09 18:13:20 lol your mail server is down? May 09 18:13:34 again, list would have made it easier May 09 18:13:51 especially since they already have a list May 09 18:13:57 i would think they would just put it up May 09 18:14:00 oh bloody hell! there's greylisting on my fucking mail server now May 09 18:14:01 michaelnovakjr__: we can't do a list b/c some people may not want it publicly known that they participated May 09 18:14:04 they didn't have greylisting a month ago May 09 18:14:34 what about the apps though. May 09 18:14:51 Arn't the apps going to be publiclicly available for android as part of the ADC? May 09 18:14:53 morrildl, understood May 09 18:15:12 there is a form (optional) you fill to publish or not May 09 18:15:13 I would think you could just list the app names that won. May 09 18:15:37 i dont see what the point of the ADC is if you aren't going to publish your app May 09 18:15:56 Dougie187: if you're a scheming capitalist with a nefarious business plan for profit :) May 09 18:16:09 I would think people like that wouldnt be allowed into the ADC. May 09 18:16:12 personally May 09 18:16:22 such is the world :/ May 09 18:16:32 i would have thought that the ADC would only be for people who wanted to release their code after the competition May 09 18:16:40 since you would be "paid" for it by winning May 09 18:17:04 if you lost you can do other things and not be publicly known as a winner of the adc. May 09 18:17:10 but i would think if you won, that should be good enough May 09 18:17:18 does google get the code or something? May 09 18:17:29 dude, relax May 09 18:17:39 lol im fine, im just curious. May 09 18:17:50 Dougie187: we think of it more as seed money than buying anything May 09 18:18:04 so you guys dont touch the apps after the competition is over? May 09 18:18:12 it can avoid having to go to an angel, if you win both rounds May 09 18:18:50 Dougie187: nope, it's a grant May 09 18:18:55 no strings, yada yada May 09 18:19:02 thats crazy. May 09 18:19:10 Dougie187: that's good though May 09 18:19:18 well. personally i disagree. May 09 18:19:22 but thats alright May 09 18:19:25 depends on your angle. May 09 18:19:32 morrildl: so how should one know if it is worth the trouble to try and enter ADC II if you don't know how far you got ranked May 09 18:19:44 take a shot. May 09 18:19:52 you didnt know how good your idea was before you entered ADC1 May 09 18:19:52 Dougie187: from a scheming capitalist perspective, it's investing $10MM into applications to make sure your platform is a success May 09 18:20:02 $10MM compared to what has already been spent is...... not a lot :) May 09 18:20:03 Lede: doesn't matter where you ranked, matters where you are going to be ranked May 09 18:20:07 i don't want to spend weekends coding if there is no chance of winning May 09 18:20:45 I would think that the idea of making money from entering a competition would make people release the code from their apps or make them free or something. May 09 18:20:51 Lede, its called a risk May 09 18:20:56 you don't get a guarantee May 09 18:21:08 Dougie187: lots of corporations entered May 09 18:21:11 you didnt know what your chance was in ADC1 May 09 18:21:17 michaelnovakjr__: yeah true, that is why i'm asking morrildl about the ranking May 09 18:21:18 screw corporations May 09 18:21:27 they can fund themselves May 09 18:21:35 true, but i would have thought they would be forced to release their "product" after the competition May 09 18:21:49 thats just how i personally would have thought it to go down. May 09 18:21:50 michaelnovakjr__: if that were the case, then we'd still be in the stone age May 09 18:21:59 angels & VC's bring out some of the most innovative startups imho May 09 18:22:14 plusminus: it's time to rip you're own leg out :-) May 09 18:22:24 a lot of developers don't have marketable skills to push their ideas through May 09 18:22:26 tomgibara: did you get in? May 09 18:22:45 nope, but I knew that I wasn't even in the top 100 May 09 18:22:58 great. looks like the greylist filter on my e-mail is totally broken May 09 18:23:12 congratulations to all the winners May 09 18:23:15 pm morrildl. maybe he can let you know May 09 18:23:25 meh, i dont want to bother him May 09 18:23:30 tomgibara: I think yours is really cool, maybe not everyday useful or anything, but really cool technology May 09 18:23:35 well, screw it..... there were more tornadoes last night, and if it costs me more money and i can help people then to me its totally worth it May 09 18:24:03 michaelnovakjr__: good idea May 09 18:24:14 michaelnovakjr__: i think you should go ahead with your sms thing. and try to improve on your android app and resubmit to ADC2 May 09 18:24:15 personally. May 09 18:24:17 tomgibara: Thats a pity. I also didn't win May 09 18:24:26 the android app is kinda useless May 09 18:24:45 i'll stick with sms and work on expanding and improving delivery for htat May 09 18:24:46 that May 09 18:24:52 ok May 09 18:25:00 zhobbs: thanks for the support, the technology is actually being adopted by some large advertisers, so it's going to be useful to someone May 09 18:25:18 if the android app was worthwhile i'm sure it would have won...... so maybe it was overkill May 09 18:25:22 that still blows my mind that winners dont have to give their apps out. May 09 18:25:24 lol May 09 18:25:39 heh May 09 18:26:01 plusminus: sorry to hear that - perhaps if we'd supplied some voice prompts earlier :-) May 09 18:26:13 tomgibara: what is your app? May 09 18:26:24 jasta: moseycode May 09 18:26:31 oh yeah, that thing was nuts May 09 18:27:09 jasta: nuts? you mean like enkin ;-)? May 09 18:27:14 some guy down here won 94 million in the lottery, and he gets 37million after taxes May 09 18:27:29 tomgibara: well, it was very trippy :) May 09 18:27:35 aren't moseycodes popular in Japan? May 09 18:27:57 like, they already have a bunch of devices that read them and stuff? it's hard for me to evaluate the app being that i've never seen a moseycode :) May 09 18:28:04 jasta: well one company has already ported it to the iphone, so it might be on real handsets soon May 09 18:28:37 jasta: I designed the moseycode symbology specifically for the slow processors on mobiles May 09 18:28:48 jasta any email yet? May 09 18:29:00 no, my e-mail server has a stupid greylist filter now so i bet it wont come through for hours May 09 18:29:16 that sucks May 09 18:29:24 the greylist filter also seems ot be terribly misconfigured. i'm yelling at the admin right now. May 09 18:30:10 tomgibara: i'd like to have my app eventually ported to other platforms, but actually i'm hoping that does not happen until Android is launched and settles in a bit. May 09 18:30:18 I'd like Android to be the first to have it ;) May 09 18:30:36 lol you should make it only on android May 09 18:30:42 that way its a big incentive for people to come to it May 09 18:30:48 right, that's what i meant. May 09 18:30:50 but still eventually port it. May 09 18:30:56 jasta: port was the wrong word - it's actually a fresh implementation of some of the standards I've published May 09 18:30:57 well im saying, dont port it May 09 18:31:13 well, fortunately it's friday. May 09 18:31:21 What the Winners do not have... an Actual Device :-P May 09 18:31:23 http://www.anddev.org/part_1_-_the_first_contact-t1978.html May 09 18:32:01 you have a device? May 09 18:32:03 I already do... at least if TI would do proper documentation. May 09 18:32:21 that thing is fing huge May 09 18:32:35 yep, like my 10y old GameBoy ^^ May 09 18:32:40 .yeah May 09 18:32:44 is it cool? May 09 18:33:20 i can see it says "Faked Screen" across the front after it boots. that has to be irritating. May 09 18:33:48 no I just put that screenshot there, as the camera was mirrroing in the srceen. May 09 18:33:52 heh yeah i know May 09 18:34:00 i was just kidding May 09 18:34:08 ;) May 09 18:34:18 it has dvi out? May 09 18:34:20 I could not yet run it, as there is simply no documentation... May 09 18:34:27 yeah thats really weird May 09 18:34:28 I would love to know how I scored across the categories, just to get some objective feedback on the application May 09 18:34:30 hey plusminus, wanted to say thanks for all the great content on your site.. really helped me when i was starting out May 09 18:34:31 and S-Video out May 09 18:34:43 didn't help me win, but oh well :-D May 09 18:34:43 skicson: :) no problem May 09 18:34:44 thats crazy May 09 18:35:02 and RJ-45 10/100MBit LAN.. May 09 18:35:09 lol May 09 18:35:26 its a monster May 09 18:35:51 plusminus: do the lights dim when you plug it into the mains? May 09 18:37:11 its like a lapto May 09 18:37:14 laptop. May 09 18:37:40 didn't have a try yet. May 09 18:38:02 I do not even know if my SerialCable is the right one (pinouts...) May 09 18:38:31 omapThe only information available is this: http://www.omapzoom.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=SerialCable May 09 18:38:38 its somehow ridiculous... May 09 18:38:41 Does it have android installed? or do you need to do that? May 09 18:39:24 no it doesn't but it is said to be easy (+ WindRiver (OHA-member) did an official Port) May 09 18:39:44 it just is shipped with a bootloader May 09 18:39:55 linux first, then android May 09 18:40:07 I hope the camera works so that you can try Moseycode May 09 18:40:16 :) I think so May 09 18:40:18 3Mpx May 09 18:40:39 wow, jasta really got screwed on this one huh? May 09 18:40:39 3x more than my actual mobile ^^ May 09 18:40:49 i hate everything right now May 09 18:41:00 :'( May 09 18:41:12 expect the worst... May 09 18:41:14 i whitelisted google's SMTP servers for now May 09 18:41:18 so hopefully they retry fast May 09 18:41:32 that sucks you missed the email May 09 18:41:56 for real May 09 18:43:59 One thing that I have no baseline for in profiling Moseycode is the actual amount of time it takes to capture a 'preview' sized still from the device camera. May 09 18:44:13 That information alone would be really useful May 09 18:47:53 I keep hoping that I'm going to get an email that says: "oops you are actually a winner" May 09 18:48:08 :-( May 09 18:49:23 well, the way i look at it is if you're making a product the market determines the winners and losers May 09 18:49:34 anyone get notified of winning yet? May 09 18:49:35 Out of so many participants, surely more than one email will go missing May 09 18:49:39 cause i got notified of LOOOOOOOOOOOOSING May 09 18:49:54 I'm amazed that Google aren't publishing a list of the winners. May 09 18:50:43 For a start that list would help for anyone else in jasta's position. May 09 18:50:44 jerkface03: there's been a few winners i've heard of: muthu and zhobbs May 09 18:51:14 and _Marvin_ May 09 18:51:53 tomgibara: we have to get permission from all the winners first before we can publish them in the list of winners May 09 18:52:35 jasonchen: surely that's covered under the terms of the competition, you have the right to use the applications to promote the platform - that was my understanding May 09 18:53:20 thats what i thought, but morrildl said nope May 09 18:53:32 couldnt you publish the app list? May 09 18:53:36 We have permission from the *winners* in the T&C May 09 18:53:38 rather than the winners? May 09 18:53:43 we don't have permission from everyone else May 09 18:53:56 tomgibara: ah, so the 50 don't count as winners May 09 18:54:12 * tomgibara has lost it May 09 18:54:17 lol May 09 18:54:25 as if you werent already crazy for the last two weeks May 09 18:54:27 wait, no, I think I am confused :) May 09 18:54:31 morrildl is confused May 09 18:54:34 I think I jumped into the middle May 09 18:55:02 The Ts&Cs give us permission to publicize screenshots and application names, but, amusingly, not names May 09 18:55:11 haha May 09 18:55:17 cant you just publish a list of the 50 winning applications then? May 09 18:55:19 so we are asking winners for permission to publicize their names May 09 18:55:20 thats all i want. May 09 18:55:27 i dont care who won. i just wanna see the applications May 09 18:55:33 me too May 09 18:55:34 Dougie187: I expect we will do so, but we are just waiting to do them all at once May 09 18:55:42 oh. May 09 18:55:43 bust May 09 18:56:01 (meaning, we don't want to announce the names today and the submitters next week or whatever) May 09 18:56:21 I want to see a list of all the apps I can download and install when I buy my first android phone. May 09 18:56:37 me too May 09 18:56:53 me too ;) May 09 18:57:05 morrildl: haha, you've seen it!! May 09 18:57:29 I have to go - I have a new release of Moseycode to finish May 09 18:57:39 Congratulations again everyone May 09 18:57:50 morrildl: can you say how far certain applications got and if they are worth entering ADC II? May 09 18:58:43 Lede: it shouldnt matter. May 09 18:58:50 it should be a personal choice. May 09 18:59:21 i'm asking morrildl May 09 18:59:42 Lede: we don't know yet. We probably can't release specific scores, but we're figuring out what we can do May 09 19:00:08 ok, good to know May 09 19:05:57 i lost May 09 19:06:03 really? May 09 19:06:06 yup May 09 19:06:09 that blows. May 09 19:06:12 i thought your app was awesome May 09 19:06:15 yup, sure does May 09 19:06:19 yeah, so did everyone else May 09 19:06:23 sucks to be you May 09 19:06:28 lol May 09 19:07:00 jasta: sorry buddy May 09 19:07:05 hope you are ok May 09 19:07:23 it's ok, i'll be fine May 09 19:07:39 morrildl: scores would help, even 3 levels in each category: BELOW AVG, AVG, ABOVE AVG May 09 19:08:02 maybe i'll get morrildl sauced at I/O and get him to spill the beans on my score May 09 19:08:07 :D May 09 19:08:07 hehe May 09 19:08:15 I might end up a I/O May 09 19:08:17 that'll probably work, honestly May 09 19:08:27 I'll be there May 09 19:08:36 f00f-: good idea May 09 19:09:02 sorry jasta, you deserved a better result in my opinion May 09 19:09:32 we'll just have to wait and see what apps did win to decide that. May 09 19:10:41 well, at least yours looked promising May 09 19:10:53 cya guys May 09 19:10:53 hey guys, how do you get your uid in unix? May 09 19:10:54 looking back now, i'm sure i was not in the top 100. May 09 19:10:57 i forget May 09 19:10:58 well, now try to push forward May 09 19:11:21 not even the top 100 is a hard pill to swallow. i can't see that i would be able to win ADC II either. May 09 19:11:21 anyway May 09 19:11:28 Dougie187: whoami ? May 09 19:11:34 ok May 09 19:11:43 Dougie187: uid May 09 19:11:46 Dougie187: id May 09 19:11:47 i mean May 09 19:11:48 uid didnt work. May 09 19:11:50 id ok. May 09 19:11:51 lemme try that May 09 19:11:55 whoami didnt work either May 09 19:12:07 id worked. May 09 19:12:08 thanks May 09 19:12:26 Dougie187: laptop!! May 09 19:12:31 Oh yeah. May 09 19:12:34 your gonna buy me a laptop! May 09 19:12:36 Hell yeah! May 09 19:12:37 haha May 09 19:12:41 i thought you forgot May 09 19:12:46 Am I the only one who can't access the loser form? May 09 19:12:50 i didnt even think about it today May 09 19:13:23 tomgibara: somebody showed a correction on the Android Challenge group May 09 19:13:33 skicson: thanks May 09 19:13:43 so when are you gonna get me a laptop? May 09 19:13:56 Dougie187: I'll be there for I/O, we'll talk May 09 19:14:02 i wont be there. May 09 19:14:03 lol May 09 19:14:06 haha May 09 19:14:07 i will be across the country. May 09 19:14:15 ok, i'll call you May 09 19:14:35 ok May 09 19:15:17 who win her ? May 09 19:15:19 here ? May 09 19:16:15 lyse: me, zhobbs May 09 19:16:29 I did May 09 19:16:45 chadkouse: what's your app? May 09 19:16:51 oh yeah May 09 19:16:53 i know May 09 19:16:55 ya May 09 19:17:03 yes chadkouse did May 09 19:17:44 getting late.. thanks and good luck to all. May 09 19:17:52 i cant seem to access the loser's form either May 09 19:18:50 jasta: http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_frm/thread/954ddd0e3dfcd945 May 09 19:19:24 Should be - https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=xxx May 09 19:20:47 jasta did you get any confirmation? May 09 19:20:54 confirmation on what? May 09 19:21:38 email?> May 09 19:21:45 oh yes. May 09 19:21:46 i lost. May 09 19:22:02 bbl, i have to deal with all my family members and everything calling me May 09 19:22:08 wow, sorry to hear.... your app kicks ass ma May 09 19:22:09 n May 09 19:22:22 Still don't know myself. May 09 19:22:24 you should have won jasta... i hope you still keep developing for android May 09 19:22:37 Enkin win ? May 09 19:23:19 i hope not May 09 19:23:56 that seems rather ungracious May 09 19:24:05 ? May 09 19:24:16 We loose too May 09 19:24:20 :-( May 09 19:24:33 It's time to go for others things now May 09 19:24:42 I can think of several reasons why enkin might not win, but I certainly wouldn't hope that they don't May 09 19:25:03 how could that win and something like jasta's app not? May 09 19:25:17 oh wow, Duo didn't win May 09 19:25:59 I agree that jasta's app is superior in my judgement - but that doesn't mean I hope they lose. May 09 19:30:33 jasta: Can I get a link to your app? May 09 19:31:06 http://code.google.com/p/android-five May 09 19:31:17 dmoffett ^^ that's jasta's app May 09 19:32:00 thanks May 09 19:32:04 i still can't believe it didn't win May 09 19:32:55 any rss readers win? May 09 19:32:59 Are you going to send the link out to your site? May 09 19:33:07 Maybe the judges balked at the idea of a 30min sync time and discounted future improvements May 09 19:33:29 dmoffett: me? May 09 19:33:32 morrilldl, if you're still out there, did any SDK 37 entries win? I've been wondering if not updating to the latest/greatest would hurt us May 09 19:33:47 We will probably never know why the judging went as it did. May 09 19:34:06 michaelnovakjr: yes May 09 19:34:11 dan said ADCII will be different in terms of judging May 09 19:34:21 dmoffett: http://code.google.com/p/weatherphone May 09 19:37:40 michaelnovakjr: nicely done. May 09 19:37:47 thanks May 09 19:37:51 You said you are going to make it sms only? May 09 19:38:05 I would like to get my Mom hooked up. May 09 19:38:16 since she has had one near miss already. May 09 19:38:37 jasta: got an email now? May 09 19:38:44 i am working on providing support for apps like that and also sms May 09 19:38:53 jasta actually lost ligi. May 09 19:39:00 marvin : http://www.pointgphone.com/marvin-reseau-social-android-623 May 09 19:39:45 (another winning app) May 09 19:41:30 i wish i could read french May 09 19:41:47 dmoffett, i am going to release for free at first because getting credit card processing setup was a lot of work... May 09 19:42:01 skicson: use the google translator May 09 19:42:11 I lost May 09 19:42:23 join the club May 09 19:42:42 i didn't see jasta's apk, was that put up somewhere? May 09 19:42:47 rhett: what was your application May 09 19:43:19 well, it still might be secret Lede, I have a partner, so I can't say till we figure out our business plan May 09 19:43:56 oh ok May 09 19:46:25 skicson : just check the video :) May 09 19:46:48 sigh May 09 19:47:31 jasta, your app kicks ass May 09 19:47:56 you are certainly one of the ones that will prove the judges wrong May 09 19:51:27 shouldn't have drank so much caffeine right before the results...I can't relax at all now! May 09 19:51:37 jasta, can I see your app? May 09 19:52:12 he app kicks ass May 09 19:52:16 i really expected him to win May 09 19:53:06 anyone win yet? May 09 19:53:13 only muthu May 09 19:53:14 muthu won May 09 19:53:18 and some other people May 09 19:53:22 nice May 09 19:53:22 zhobbs May 09 19:53:24 rhett: well, there are screenshots at five.googlecode.com May 09 19:53:37 my plan was to prepare it for release (source code and all) this weekend May 09 19:53:40 Dougie187: what's up? May 09 19:53:41 but now i'm so f'n depressed i doubt i will May 09 19:53:55 i was saying you won May 09 19:54:05 i keep thinking there's some crazy conspiracy like Sprint is trying to luanch a similar for-pay service and they didn't want my free app to win May 09 19:54:23 zhobbs` won? May 09 19:54:23 jasta, i know the feeling.... but your app is awesome May 09 19:54:43 jasta: yeah, TuneWiki May 09 19:55:28 the other one didn't make top 100 May 09 19:55:38 it turns out I know some people who were judges May 09 19:55:47 rhett: did you win? May 09 19:55:49 orly? May 09 19:55:52 and you still didn't win? May 09 19:55:56 zhobbs`: really? ugh, that is very depressing. May 09 19:55:56 they didn't judge my app though, but I doubt there was a conspiracy May 09 19:56:00 why weren't you greasing the wheels of justice? May 09 19:56:39 together, they judged about 100 apps, and were pretty dissapointed, so I had hope for a while May 09 19:56:45 btw, i swear that only 2 judges connected and used my app. May 09 19:56:51 how do you know the top 100 zhobbs May 09 19:56:56 morrildl convinced me otherwise initially, but i swear that is impossible. May 09 19:57:22 so maybe some stupid thing douched me, like judges who just got frustrated and gave up May 09 19:57:23 heh you can speculate as much as you want now. May 09 19:57:29 i was just trying to keep your hopes up May 09 19:57:49 whatever. i said it before, i'm going to continue developing either way. May 09 19:57:55 yeah May 09 19:57:59 are you gonna submit to adc2? May 09 19:58:04 hopefully i will be able to prove the judges wrong May 09 19:58:09 anyway, im going home May 09 19:58:12 jasta, imagine you are a judge, and you are wading through 50 poor instant message client clones with stupid features and bad documentation May 09 19:58:13 this is a lot to handle while at work May 09 19:58:13 jasta, i think you will May 09 19:58:24 jasta if you want help for adc2 lemme know May 09 19:58:29 id be down for helping on some apps May 09 19:58:29 i think the judges definately didn't review every bit of every app May 09 19:59:04 that teedroid seemed to be top 100, I wonder if they won May 09 19:59:30 how are people talking about the top 100? May 09 19:59:39 don't think teedroid won May 09 19:59:50 I thought I saw that somewhere... May 09 19:59:59 michaelnovakjr__: server logs May 09 20:00:03 Let's Play Golf didn't win May 09 20:00:06 mine May 09 20:00:11 michaelnovakjr__: top 100 was judged this week May 09 20:00:14 www.goldfishview.com May 09 20:01:13 oh games May 09 20:01:20 LOL, from the mailing list: Isn't the submission deadline May 14th? I'm confused, is it that you can submit earlier they score your app and tell you that you won or not? Well either way, i have a lot of stuff to finish till the 14th. May 09 20:01:42 morrildl, now that we have the compo results, when can we get that new SDK? May 09 20:01:44 :-| May 09 20:01:56 zhobbs`: serious lol May 09 20:02:53 i wonder what muthu's app was May 09 20:03:02 Did muthu win? May 09 20:03:07 muthu made a cooking app May 09 20:03:13 recipes May 09 20:03:20 poffy: yes muthu won May 09 20:03:22 muthu did win May 09 20:03:29 now he owes me a lapto May 09 20:03:30 laptop May 09 20:04:36 well May 09 20:04:42 someone regrets it, at least May 09 20:08:19 illustir: gewonnen? May 09 20:08:34 wat? May 09 20:08:57 heb je niet mee gedaan and de ADC? May 09 20:09:29 nee, helaas May 09 20:09:36 but maybe we should talk in English? May 09 20:09:53 sure May 09 20:09:55 let me guess...gwonnen: did you win? May 09 20:09:57 :-D May 09 20:10:07 skicson: yeah May 09 20:10:10 i haven't really kept up May 09 20:10:16 but any notable Dutch entries? May 09 20:10:52 the winners are not disclosed yet May 09 20:11:29 everyone just gets an email saying their shit sucks or they won x) May 09 20:11:46 but a list of entries somewhere? May 09 20:11:56 illustir: probably monday May 09 20:12:12 so entries are not public or self-declared? May 09 20:12:35 which does remind me, i have to mail in another entry today (US time) May 09 20:14:28 illustir: not all winners will be disclosed...it's up to them May 09 20:18:22 so who won? May 09 20:18:47 * davidw didn't... oh well, have a wonderful daughter:-) May 09 20:18:50 i didn't May 09 20:18:56 congrads davidw May 09 20:20:42 lol May 09 20:22:07 davidw: one of mine hit, and mutu's is in also May 09 20:22:12 muthu* May 09 20:22:22 wow, cool, congrats! May 09 20:22:42 zhobbs: was android the first platform for tunewiki? May 09 20:23:02 skicson: no, it's really popular on iPhone I guess May 09 20:23:18 davidw: i didn't May 09 20:23:30 jasta, no? damn:-/ May 09 20:24:36 zhobbs: well congrats - it's a cool idea. best of luck in the next round May 09 20:24:37 my client's didn't either... and it's a really good idea that's just...solid May 09 20:25:04 less geeky, but very compelling... we may continue it as a business... we'll see May 09 20:27:19 lol May 09 20:27:42 congratulation everyone... May 09 20:29:01 thanks May 09 20:29:28 illustir: participating in nokia widget challenge? May 09 20:31:20 there's a nokia widget challenge? May 09 20:31:29 f00f- No for this: http://launchsiliconvalley.org/presentingc.html May 09 20:32:22 nice May 09 20:32:25 skicson: thanks May 09 20:32:37 skicson: not my idea unfortunately, I just helped with the code May 09 20:34:22 holy crap i won May 09 20:34:29 :D May 09 20:36:05 what May 09 20:36:29 umdk1d3: what was your app? May 09 20:41:05 http://commandro.net/ - that won?! May 09 20:41:15 it's nice and all, but it looks like loopt May 09 20:41:27 and/or various other similar things May 09 20:41:39 or plazes May 09 20:42:13 apps like that aren't going to interest me in the platform May 09 20:42:27 they just don't serve any real purpose for me May 09 20:42:37 then again, i am not into social networking May 09 20:42:41 nice job on the ui tho May 09 20:42:46 sure May 09 20:42:50 it looks nice May 09 20:43:04 someone should port nethack to android May 09 20:43:08 x) May 09 20:43:09 but i just think the tracking of friends is creepy May 09 20:43:38 or nulaz already has a mobile app: http://www.nulaz.com/ May 09 20:44:22 michaelnovakjr, well it's cool, but... not stellar, IMO May 09 20:44:34 and it's already been done May 09 20:44:46 the technology is cool, but i think the concept is weird May 09 20:44:53 I mean, something like that thing those two german guys did was *new* May 09 20:45:28 what about an application that allows me to pull suggestions in the music store based on my music library at home? May 09 20:45:39 or the samething for books May 09 20:45:46 etc May 09 20:46:21 now that is useful May 09 20:47:03 i hate sometimes going to the store and not sure exactly what i want or even to look.... that is when these recommendations engines are awesome May 09 20:48:41 I love browsing at the store:-) May 09 20:49:01 me too, but it would be cool to get a push in the right direction May 09 20:49:05 i think the "idea" part of the judging was not that much percentage-wise. They were definitely looking for social networking apps that leveraged the platform. commandro seems to do a pretty good job of that May 09 20:50:18 agreed.... but if that is the direction android is going in i'll be disappointed May 09 20:50:35 and will work a million times harder to provide better alternatives for users May 09 20:50:41 well, i figured it was going to be much more consumer-oriented when they changed all the buttons to look like the iphone May 09 20:52:10 michaelnovakjr, well, it's one really obvious app... perhaps too much so... I am hoping to see stuff that makes me say "wow, they really did something unique and cool, and I can see why they won" May 09 20:52:44 people will want that kind of app for sure May 09 20:52:53 but I also hope to see some interesting variety May 09 20:52:53 this is a bare platform... we need the obvious apps May 09 20:52:59 agreed May 09 21:01:39 well, in any case, I do like Android and will continue to support Hecl on it May 09 21:02:19 I'll be writing a lot for Android May 09 21:02:31 i plan to fill gaps in the application space May 09 21:02:39 all open source and free May 09 21:03:19 that is the beauty of something like android, if you don't like the social-networking crap..... then build something you like and make it work for you! May 09 21:04:14 boy, it would be rough to work for this next month and be one of the 30 teams that miss the $100k prize May 09 21:04:28 yea May 09 21:04:33 atleast i am out now May 09 21:04:43 i am focusing on some other android stuff as well May 09 21:04:47 rhett: 30? May 09 21:05:34 20 win , out of the 50 eligable May 09 21:05:46 everyone who netered ADC I can enter ADC II May 09 21:05:53 entered even May 09 21:05:59 he means for Round 2 May 09 21:06:17 yes round 2 May 09 21:06:30 but that isn't ADC II May 09 21:06:38 ADC I Round 2 May 09 21:06:58 ah May 09 21:07:10 yea, Lede, ADC II is at the end of the year May 09 21:07:20 * Lede got confused May 09 21:07:23 or at least that is when its expected May 09 21:08:27 well, then i have no reason to stay here May 09 21:08:33 time to go home May 09 21:08:34 good bye May 09 21:08:37 adios May 09 21:39:45 hehehehe May 09 21:40:15 <_Marvin_> :) May 09 21:40:57 <_Marvin_> congratulation to the android dev team, tests etc for giving us this... adventure, this is very cool. May 09 21:41:04 morrildl, you must be relieved - hope no one has been nasty May 09 21:41:38 davidw: oh, people have been nasty May 09 21:41:53 morrildl: I would love to repeat this one email, it made me laugh May 09 21:41:59 but I probably should not May 09 21:42:33 from veruca salt? May 09 21:43:00 heh :) May 09 21:43:16 actually May 09 21:43:21 yes, it might as well have been ;) May 09 21:43:27 :-) May 09 21:43:57 well, nobody wants to be a good loser :-D May 09 21:44:27 still, best of luck with that May 09 21:44:34 there's nothing that anyone can be mad about...the process seems pretty fair May 09 21:44:51 oh, there's plenty to manufacture May 09 21:45:09 I understand being bummed out or depressed, but not at google May 09 21:46:56 zhobbs, well, I do hope to be deeply impressed by the winning apps - it would be irritating if someone won with something boring or lame May 09 21:47:30 i think google has really raised the bar in terms of competitions of this nature May 09 21:47:46 ADC awards make Nokia & NAVTEQ awards seem pathetic May 09 21:47:50 davidw: I'm sure we won't agree with all the results...the people judging them do have a vested interest (OEM's, etc) May 09 21:48:21 however, it's an entirely new platform, so every one (users, google, judges) want it to succeed with a bang May 09 21:48:32 plus I don't care about most social networking...especially LBS social networking May 09 21:56:40 wonder how many apps will even be in the announcement on monday... May 09 21:58:23 well, it's happy hour! have a good weekend everybody. even if you've lost you're in very good company. May 09 21:58:46 yeah, I'm heading to the bar May 09 22:25:18 YaY! Its over \(^_^)/ ~ Well done to everyone! May 09 22:27:19 No biggie that we didn't win big right now, the applications that we have started to develop will be the first testament in this new revolution in mobile technology. May 09 22:28:36 Congrats to all you guys who did win though. Well done and I hope you work twice as hard in the next round! We'll be watching with anticipation so keep us updated on your progress. May 09 22:29:50 haven't seen any results as far as this, so no congrats yet =P May 09 22:30:00 ? May 09 22:33:13 Hai-Fai, what do you mean haven't seen any results? May 09 22:37:05 tee hee May 09 22:37:08 Hey acsia have you heard back from the judges? May 09 22:39:12 chomchom: yes but no win unfortunately how bout yourself? May 09 22:39:20 I got an email this afternoon :( . boo! May 09 22:39:33 I know May 09 22:39:48 well I guess I ll hand in my resignation letter a bit later this year May 09 22:39:53 heh May 09 22:40:31 well they are sending to madrid for 2 weeks which is what I need May 09 22:40:42 nice! May 09 22:40:50 half work, half getting drunk May 09 22:40:51 excellent, that'll be a good get away May 09 22:40:54 yep May 09 22:41:19 how have you been keeping. I haven't been in here and haven't lifted a finger to code for like a week nad a half! May 09 22:41:33 somewhat same here May 09 22:41:48 I got an invite to google app engine May 09 22:41:54 but not really sure what to do yet May 09 22:41:59 not familiar with py May 09 22:42:05 py is fun May 09 22:42:19 cool. May 09 22:42:35 it looks so, I maybe to try some of the code from programming collective intelligence May 09 22:43:00 so when is ADC II :D May 09 22:43:01 ascia: when we met up, I never even asked you about your programming background! May 09 22:43:10 we got so caught up in talking about the apps May 09 22:43:26 what is your programming background is it all java? May 09 22:43:35 more or less May 09 22:43:38 I began with C May 09 22:43:48 good start! May 09 22:43:56 yep May 09 22:43:59 me too May 09 22:44:10 well actually no, began with php May 09 22:44:11 the only course I did not take which I regret is compiler theory May 09 22:44:22 well me with pascal... May 09 22:44:27 compiler theory is good stuff May 09 22:44:40 it s my missing link May 09 22:45:14 so who won in here May 09 22:45:18 computer language -> assembly -> compiler-> C May 09 22:45:22 did you win duey? May 09 22:45:27 no obv May 09 22:45:36 i hadnt heard. May 09 22:45:42 thats disappointing. May 09 22:45:47 not really May 09 22:45:50 i wasnt expecting to May 09 22:45:53 but your app was cool May 09 22:46:01 yeah but its unfinished May 09 22:46:22 I am quite lookin forward to the winners list May 09 22:46:37 hasnt it been published? May 09 22:47:18 on monday May 09 22:47:27 oh ok May 09 22:51:41 so did anyone win inthe chan? May 09 22:51:49 where is jasta May 09 22:51:58 i am here May 09 22:52:20 did you win ? May 09 22:52:47 no :\ May 09 22:52:50 wtf! May 09 22:52:58 that seems to be the popular reaction May 09 22:52:58 wtf!!! May 09 22:53:14 the list will be interesting May 09 22:53:21 or maybe it won't be :) May 09 22:53:21 umdk1d3 won, he let out a gasp briefly May 09 22:53:26 i reckon there will be lots of weird "Wtf how did that win" apps May 09 22:53:31 have you heard if enkin won? May 09 22:54:14 duey, I hope not. I want to feel like "wow, that was really amazing, I see why I lost to it, and don't feel bad" May 09 22:55:08 if you have lots of judges that are not into the technical details of soemthing they probably vote with there eyes May 09 22:56:24 I would imagine that to be a very good way to vote! May 09 22:56:32 with your eyes I mean! May 09 22:57:40 sleep time for me.... mom & daughter come home from the hospital tomorrow morning. Adios hacking time! May 09 22:59:04 now that we're all done demanding results... May 09 22:59:09 let's start demanding the next SDK May 09 22:59:13 hehe May 09 22:59:40 ice cream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream! May 09 23:17:48 what this channel about? May 09 23:18:04 Dreamtank: android ^^ May 09 23:18:08 lol May 09 23:18:32 hey jasta May 10 00:14:00 michaelnovakjr: sup? May 10 00:57:19 did people get notified? May 10 00:58:22 yep i got my email around noonish today ;) May 10 00:58:25 and a phone call too May 10 00:58:48 fuck May 10 00:58:59 you should get an email either way May 10 00:59:09 from what i read on the group May 10 00:59:17 that sucks, May 10 00:59:35 congrats! May 10 00:59:56 umdk1d3: you got a phone call? May 10 01:00:28 yep, and i hear that some other people did too May 10 01:00:37 who called? May 10 01:00:44 yeah, the lady from google :D May 10 01:00:49 yep :) May 10 01:00:53 cool May 10 01:01:02 i was like, wtf, 650 number May 10 01:01:04 I didn't submit either of mine May 10 01:01:17 f00f-: hehe May 10 01:01:30 yea i got the email on my cell phone while eating lunch May 10 01:01:56 it sats there is a losers form, i didnt get that May 10 01:03:51 did people who didnt win get notified already? May 10 01:03:58 jtoy: yeah May 10 01:04:13 hmm,i would liek to know why i didnt get anything May 10 01:14:21 who should I contact if i didnt receive any email form google? May 10 01:43:58 adc2 is open to everyone or just winners? May 10 01:46:56 please qualify May 10 01:47:02 ADC I Phase 2 or ADC II May 10 01:47:08 ADC II is open to all but winners of ADC I May 10 01:47:22 now i'm confused May 10 01:47:38 f00f-: where are you getting this info from? May 10 01:47:54 terms & conditions, as well as info here and there May 10 01:48:01 T&C explains a lot if you read it. May 10 01:48:31 so what, after phase 2 of adc 1 there's goign to be another adc challenge? May 10 01:49:02 $10 million budget May 10 01:49:12 ADC I is only $5m of prizes May 10 01:49:19 the rest $5m is for ADC II May 10 01:49:21 for later this year May 10 01:49:47 thats pretty good then May 10 01:49:57 and all the losers like myself can apply to adc2? May 10 01:50:04 yeah May 10 01:50:11 and all the winners, like me, cannot, from what i understand May 10 01:50:17 did you win? May 10 01:50:20 awesome May 10 01:50:20 yeah May 10 01:50:38 the hardest part for losers, i think is the wait May 10 01:50:39 BUT May 10 01:50:44 i think that's an advantage to beef up their app May 10 01:50:50 since a lot of new functionality will be available i think May 10 01:50:56 werd May 10 01:51:01 f00f- what did you make? May 10 01:51:06 especially since phones will be out on a real operator, T-Mobile May 10 01:51:23 f00f-: what are you planning to do with the money? May 10 01:51:23 PedNav, you can search for it on www.helloandroid.com May 10 01:51:25 porno? May 10 01:51:38 hehe, good business model May 10 01:51:39 porn4mobile May 10 01:51:42 thanks, i'll do that May 10 01:51:53 well, reinvest it into this startup we've created May 10 01:52:01 jasta had a really good idea. I'm surprised he didn't win... May 10 01:52:08 not really anything at this time May 10 01:52:14 it'll just sit in a bank account i guess May 10 01:53:13 f00f-: anyone else from freenode win other than you, zhobbs, and muthu? May 10 01:53:29 http://www.helloandroid.com/node/430 -- need to upgrade our website (working on it now) May 10 01:53:30 i've been away for a while, haven't been keeping up on all the winnings May 10 01:53:38 i was too busy pigging out at denny's May 10 01:53:39 not that i know, there were a few others in here May 10 01:53:42 hahaha May 10 01:53:47 jerkface03: i won too May 10 01:53:52 :D May 10 01:53:54 mickrobk_: nice, link? May 10 01:54:05 not ready yet unfortunatly May 10 01:54:12 been packing for a trip May 10 01:54:21 it'll be up by monday though May 10 01:54:21 what, losers can apply to second round? May 10 01:54:44 mickrobk_: well just give me the jist of what you made? May 10 01:55:00 its a vector based painting program May 10 01:55:32 i think i remember May 10 01:55:33 i didnt get any email from google May 10 01:55:36 the fingerpainting thingy? May 10 01:55:59 yea May 10 02:31:38 zhobbs: There ? May 10 02:38:00 she was like.... May 10 02:38:11 "enjoy your weekend" or thereabouts May 10 02:38:21 heh, i got lots to code May 10 02:38:30 i should have been coding all this time May 10 02:38:32 stephanie you mean ? May 10 02:38:34 but i will start tomorrow May 10 02:38:34 yeah May 10 02:38:45 yeah... got that call too - May 10 02:38:49 congrats! May 10 02:39:09 thx, and to you too May 10 02:39:23 what's your app ? May 10 02:39:39 PedNav May 10 02:39:47 heh, the PDF they sent back May 10 02:39:54 they kinda reworded what my app was about May 10 02:39:55 lol May 10 02:40:06 so now i have to make sure it actually does those things May 10 02:40:07 haha -- so now you have your marching orders May 10 02:40:14 what's pednav -- sounds like a walking GPS app May 10 02:40:22 yeah pretty much May 10 02:40:25 but not really May 10 02:40:29 that is the goal May 10 02:40:36 but right now just it makes an itinerary of things May 10 02:40:46 actually it's a lot of things, need to narrow things down May 10 02:41:08 well congrats... May 10 02:41:09 we have a theme park example where you tell it what rides you want to go to, when to have lunch, tec. May 10 02:41:14 and it creates an itinerary for the day May 10 02:41:16 that's a great idea. May 10 02:41:40 what was your app? May 10 02:41:49 i probably asked before, i hate forgetting, but that's me. May 10 02:41:50 TuneWiki May 10 02:42:04 joint effort me and zhobbs May 10 02:42:15 ah i saw that on the site May 10 02:42:19 looks pretty useful May 10 02:42:28 perhaps you and jasta could combine resources or ideas :P May 10 02:42:29 heh. we hope. May 10 02:42:41 I've been trying! Jasta has his own plans.. May 10 02:42:48 since you're really doing community stuff May 10 02:42:53 and he has a great player and last.fm integration May 10 02:43:27 now if you add some karaoke capabilities, too May 10 02:43:28 that would be rad May 10 02:43:31 instant hit May 10 02:43:43 EXACTLY May 10 02:43:43 not only in japan/korea, but probably in the US too :P May 10 02:43:45 tell jasta that! May 10 02:43:52 I'm trying to get that going ! May 10 02:44:09 are you doing this for free, or do you have a business model in mind? May 10 02:44:44 we're still struggling with a business model for our app, haven't really thought it out yet May 10 02:44:49 i've already said too much May 10 02:45:03 how about Location Based ads ? May 10 02:45:09 well May 10 02:45:09 "thirsty? click here" May 10 02:45:13 go to local bars May 10 02:45:17 i dont know, it'll really have to be targeted May 10 02:45:24 we're talking GMail-style relevance May 10 02:45:24 yeah that's true. May 10 02:45:27 that is a big struggle May 10 02:45:37 but there's lots of money to be made in that May 10 02:45:39 yeah.. May 10 02:45:41 intelligent location based advertising May 10 02:46:03 raise some money -- you're in the top 50 ! May 10 02:46:29 get a team May 10 02:46:34 change the landscape May 10 02:46:53 yup May 10 02:47:45 time to go from coder to entrepreneur May 10 02:48:00 yeah, it's a big leap imho May 10 02:48:06 i've been to SCORE a couple of times with my team May 10 02:48:07 oh yeah. I couldnt do it May 10 02:48:24 hey what is your real name ? May 10 02:48:25 it's *really* helpful to meet with their counselors May 10 02:48:40 and chat with them about your idea May 10 02:48:45 they'll do everything to shoot it down May 10 02:48:58 but that's good, we avoided wastage of time May 10 02:48:59 heh.. May 10 02:49:05 (for another idea, not our app) May 10 02:49:10 hahah totally May 10 02:50:00 are you going to google IO ? May 10 02:50:34 not sure yet... i like free stuff May 10 02:50:46 tix are $400 -- you should go May 10 02:51:00 but i might have to take a day off May 10 02:51:05 are you? May 10 02:51:11 definitely! May 10 02:51:17 you're in the area? May 10 02:51:21 gotta finally mete zhobbs face to face May 10 02:51:25 no -- Dayton, OH May 10 02:51:27 ooh :D May 10 02:51:31 nice May 10 02:51:36 so how did you choose your team? May 10 02:51:45 long story... May 10 02:51:51 i don't think i could ever put so much trust into a team that i didn't already know May 10 02:51:55 tunewiki was around before the adc May 10 02:51:57 (but not for long) May 10 02:52:01 ah May 10 02:52:19 well 1 of the guys on our team is from Tel Aviv.. one is from CA, one if from Florida and I'm from OH May 10 02:52:44 Globalization at Work(R) May 10 02:52:51 yes definitely. May 10 02:53:00 going to meet up at Google IO ! May 10 02:53:33 i guess i could use a punching bag at Google I/O... someone's gotta pay for the SDK incompatiblities :D May 10 02:54:05 ok man -- I'll be in touch maybe I'll see you there May 10 02:54:34 do you know anyone from #android who will be there, besides your team and jasta? May 10 02:54:42 and googlers May 10 02:55:02 no not really May 10 02:55:28 hoping to change that! May 10 02:55:41 i guess i need to decide which day i want to be there May 10 02:55:53 it would be better if it was Thu/Fri May 10 02:56:10 tell your boss "do you know who you're dealing with? I'm in the top 50!" May 10 02:57:03 just like i am one of the oceanic eight! May 10 02:57:06 err May 10 02:57:07 *six **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 10 02:59:57 2008