**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 14 02:59:57 2008 May 14 03:59:55 hey jasta, around? May 14 04:03:12 time to do some work on android May 14 04:03:33 indeed May 14 04:03:36 lots of work ahead May 14 04:15:35 yeah May 14 04:15:37 i'm here May 14 04:15:43 get my message before? May 14 04:15:49 yeah, you need to export ANDROID_SDK=... May 14 04:15:56 did that May 14 04:16:01 it shows up in the env May 14 04:16:01 and it still didn't work? May 14 04:16:04 yea May 14 04:16:12 the method is still returning null in the patch May 14 04:16:29 well you can just hardcode it if you'd like...it's a total hack May 14 04:16:36 :) May 14 04:16:40 are you sure you exported it? May 14 04:16:45 positive May 14 04:16:47 and not just set it? May 14 04:17:01 it shows up when i list my variables May 14 04:17:26 i even put it in my .bashrc as well May 14 04:17:38 even though its the same thing, just loads it everytime May 14 04:17:43 well that makes no sense, but whatever, just hardcode it in the maven plugin May 14 04:17:51 cool May 14 04:18:18 you can actually build all this with eclipse too, you just have to setup the dependencies and project stuffs yourself May 14 04:18:52 don't have eclipse on that machine.... i stopped using eclipse because the plugin was so damn buggy on linux May 14 04:19:08 yeah, i dont use it much either May 14 04:19:21 and since its a new install i didn't bother installing it May 14 04:19:57 btw, if not for aidl having such stupid command-line arguments, the ANDROID_SDK path wouldn't even be necessary May 14 04:20:17 i noticed that when i cracked open the patch May 14 04:24:17 i think with Maven, my approach is wrong though. i think i should just require that you install the framework.aidl file into Maven May 14 04:24:25 then it will be able to find it using its weirdness May 14 04:24:32 meh May 14 04:24:59 yea, maven is a bit weird May 14 04:25:12 but overall the process you have here is not bad May 14 04:25:14 i do like it though. May 14 04:26:19 but actually, i think aidl is the problem itself May 14 04:27:16 there seems to be no reason to resolve parcelables in this way. it could just have an optimistic flag where it doesn't check that the resulting Java files would even compile May 14 04:27:40 so that build systems wouldn't need to futz with it so much May 14 04:29:14 i modified the patch but it doesn't like it May 14 04:29:22 what do you mean? May 14 04:30:19 fixed it May 14 04:30:29 i did it manually because it was rejecting the patch May 14 04:30:44 oh, right, that's what i'd assumed you'd do May 14 04:32:42 interesting May 14 04:33:31 aidl says it can't open preprocessed file : and then it lists the correct file and path May 14 04:38:22 get it worked out? May 14 04:38:39 still says it can't open the file? May 14 04:38:44 its calling the right place May 14 04:38:47 can you? May 14 04:38:50 yep May 14 04:38:50 is it readable? May 14 04:38:52 yep May 14 04:38:59 what's the command-line being run? May 14 04:41:07 trying again... aidl says it can't open the file May 14 04:42:51 extra space May 14 04:43:01 hehe May 14 04:43:57 real picky with spaces i guess huh? May 14 04:44:10 i guess May 14 04:44:17 aidl that is May 14 04:45:43 Houston we have uh oh uh lift off! May 14 04:46:11 really? May 14 04:46:23 indeed May 14 04:46:31 hooray, it only took like 6 hours to build ;) May 14 04:46:39 haha May 14 04:46:54 package maintainers are going to want to kill me hehe May 14 04:47:10 i need to get libsyncml and masa to change so that i don't need patches against them May 14 04:47:13 that would go a long way May 14 04:47:30 i have an issue files with masa already May 14 04:47:35 yea, hopefully they'll take well to it May 14 04:47:44 some os projects can be pricks May 14 04:48:13 well in the case of masa, at least it's obvious that it's their bug May 14 04:48:27 with libsyncml, that will be trickier. i had to hackishly extend their interface in order to do bad and unusual things May 14 04:48:39 :) May 14 04:48:53 the server uses libsoup for SyncML over HTTP. Well, I hook into that very same libsoup object to provide the actual content delivery over the same server instance. May 14 04:49:19 so that SyncML is mixed with regular GETs, which is actually just fine since they are isolated by their request URIs. May 14 04:49:30 but its obvious the libsyncml did not imagine that someone would want to do this May 14 04:51:32 cant account for everything May 14 04:52:42 that linux server app, that is what you want for mac and win May 14 04:53:25 yeah May 14 04:53:40 most of the engine is portable, so i dont think there would be a lot of difficulty there May 14 04:53:47 well, i can say right away the mac one will be super easy May 14 04:54:00 also, the configure menu entry doesn't work May 14 04:54:04 so that should eventually do something :) May 14 04:54:19 got me an app engine account May 14 04:54:22 right now only that first-time setup screen works May 14 04:54:22 its awesome :) May 14 04:54:27 you can pretty much use your c code that does the lifting in the mac version with little or no mods May 14 04:54:41 duey, i got one too but haven't done anything yet.... excited its in python May 14 04:54:49 yeah, i havent used mine yet either May 14 04:54:53 i just did a quick assignment in it May 14 04:55:30 what's up with the configure menu jasta? May 14 04:55:31 assignment? May 14 04:55:42 i noticed it didn't work May 14 04:55:43 michaelnovakjr: i just didn't implement any sort of preferences or configuration screen May 14 04:55:50 ;) May 14 04:56:00 the only configuration UI i built was that first-time thing May 14 04:56:22 ah, o May 14 04:56:38 for mac that can be wrapped in objc for the cocoa ui May 14 04:56:56 based you can wrap your program logic C in objc to connect to the cocoa ui May 14 04:57:03 basically* May 14 04:57:31 objc === c anyway :) May 14 04:59:46 hmm, the guy that did http://slideme.org/ apparently lives in Seattle May 14 04:59:50 and is also the guy who wrote Masa May 14 05:00:03 so i think making him take my issues seriously just got a whole lot easier ;0 May 14 05:00:25 :) May 14 05:11:17 so, ...did you get the system running? May 14 05:11:59 !Ltcontr0l May 14 05:12:05 oops, oh man. May 14 05:12:15 now, i gotta change all those passwords, blast. May 14 05:12:36 fuck me ;) May 14 05:14:42 oh wait, only one system still uses that password. yay May 14 05:18:57 anyway, michaelnovakjr: what's the deal? i'm anxious to know what's happening :) May 14 05:19:24 hey sorry, stepped away for a sec... one sec May 14 05:22:34 hm jasta, i get a class not found exception when running the app May 14 05:22:51 org.devtcg.five.provider.FiveProvider May 14 05:24:05 huh? did both apk installs correctly? May 14 05:24:16 i got a build successful on everything May 14 05:24:26 check the emulator in /data/app May 14 05:24:32 make sure both five-client and five-music are there May 14 05:24:46 yep they are there May 14 05:25:10 not sure what to say then. can you paste relevant adb logcat output? May 14 05:25:21 that class does exist, and there is nothing unusual about its set up in the project. May 14 05:25:43 yep pastebin-ing something interesting now May 14 05:26:14 http://www.pastebin.org/35846 May 14 05:26:24 when i scrolled up in the maven output i saw that May 14 05:26:33 even though it said the build was successful :) May 14 05:26:57 uhhh May 14 05:27:03 what tool outputted that? dx? May 14 05:28:05 yea, dx ... i had to extend my scrolling to see what was causing it May 14 05:28:28 well i simply cannot interpret that. May 14 05:28:39 what version of the JDK compiled all this? May 14 05:30:33 1.5 May 14 05:31:21 i really have no idea about that. May 14 05:31:32 that clearly looks to be a dx bug of some sort May 14 05:34:03 check this out .... May 14 05:34:55 http://www.pastebin.org/35847 May 14 05:35:06 that is the first place an [ERROR] shows up May 14 05:35:40 like i said, i have no way of qualifying this May 14 05:35:46 has this host otherwise been used to build Android APKs? May 14 05:37:38 yes May 14 05:37:48 i built mine.... but i use ant and not maven May 14 05:38:24 right but this is obviously dx going mental May 14 05:42:25 going to update java May 14 05:43:18 i went and ran my build just now and the whole thing blew up May 14 05:44:28 something new to this evening.... i was building my app earlier today May 14 05:55:18 i'm trying to figure out how to record a demo video and stuff May 14 06:32:25 morning :) May 14 06:32:33 morning May 14 06:35:29 good morning, my name is bond, james bond. May 14 06:36:17 hmm, so i have decided to improve my menu hierarchy May 14 06:36:28 make it dynamic, and not limited to ugly hardcoding *shudder* May 14 06:36:57 you would kill me if you saw the amount private final static int's i have May 14 06:37:08 (at least they're not hardcoded) :) May 14 06:37:30 will we ever get to is the important question May 14 06:37:49 see them i mean, not kill you. or maybe... ;) May 14 06:37:55 hH May 14 06:39:33 for our demo, we had to fudge the number for GPS, so we just added an offset May 14 06:39:37 it's really tough to demo GPS apps May 14 06:39:44 without using a location provider May 14 06:43:46 f00f-: are you expanding team for p2? May 14 06:44:20 muthu: no sir. it'd create too much distraction. May 14 06:44:27 and we don't really need extra resources. May 14 06:44:35 f00f-: ok May 14 06:44:43 just adding 1-2 more features, that's it May 14 06:44:59 fixing bugs in the existing ones May 14 06:45:06 p2 criteria is not getting to me May 14 06:46:13 muthu: how so? May 14 06:46:29 i mean what the judges expect? May 14 06:46:42 probably the same as before, just 2.0 May 14 06:46:48 i'm not sure May 14 06:46:59 i bet some apps don't even need improvement May 14 06:47:01 it's all relative May 14 06:47:14 right May 14 06:47:19 that's where i'm confused May 14 06:48:00 sup muthu May 14 06:48:04 how's that money treating you? May 14 06:48:19 did you get it converted to 1 dollar bills and fill your swimming pool with it? May 14 06:48:26 jerkface03: haha, not yet May 14 06:48:26 like scrooge mcduck in ducktales? May 14 06:48:35 i'm used to spending tons of money on my company May 14 06:48:55 more looking at p2 now May 14 06:49:16 jerkface03, good idea regarding the pool and the bills :) May 14 06:49:24 cutmasta: did you win too? May 14 06:49:33 trying to figure out what the judges criteria be for p2 May 14 06:49:40 nope, just a thought May 14 06:50:22 jerkface03, who needs dollars .... May 14 06:50:29 quarters? May 14 06:50:32 25k eur would be cooler May 14 06:50:33 pennies? May 14 06:50:39 :) May 14 06:50:44 you can turn them into pennies and throw the pennies at people May 14 06:50:49 lol May 14 06:50:51 haha May 14 07:29:55 hmm, wth May 14 07:30:01 at some point my inotify code stopped doing anything May 14 07:34:58 d'oh, there's a lame bug here :) May 14 12:07:39 noon all, May 14 12:09:42 i'm writing a file manager, is there a reason the list of files accessible by the jvm is deifferent to those shown in DDMS in eclipse. May 14 12:18:14 I'd have answered but he left :\ May 14 12:31:47 Will there be a "default" method of downloading/installing Android Applications to your handset does anyone know? May 14 12:42:26 It will probably be on the order of downloading things onto the device. May 14 12:42:43 Considering that "installing" applications involves simply placing an apk in a directory May 14 12:42:59 I suspect that their "real" version is going to be pretty trivial and seamless May 14 12:46:20 So do you think there will be a "downloading manager" built into Android by Google? May 14 12:46:55 Because I've heard developers talk about building/submitting it as their actual application May 14 12:47:02 Possibly. May 14 12:47:07 But it seems like something Google would want to handle themselves May 14 12:47:16 Or at least offer themselves May 14 12:47:19 I figure what will happen is a plugin for webkit that will specially handle apks and ask if the user wants to install it May 14 12:47:42 as well as some sort of software for a PC you hook the device into ala blackberry to handle installing May 14 12:48:47 Volmarias can I PM you? May 14 12:49:27 uh, sure, though I don't have any sort of inside information May 14 12:49:35 I'm really just making edumicated guesses May 14 12:58:19 re May 14 13:00:07 re! May 14 13:13:19 how is everyone this morning? May 14 13:18:44 well enough May 14 13:20:23 thats good May 14 13:30:24 I'm good May 14 13:30:44 how are you May 14 13:35:26 im good May 14 14:13:56 any news on SDK? May 14 14:14:14 yea... july muthu May 14 14:14:22 michaelnovakjr_1: really? May 14 14:14:28 :) May 14 14:14:31 haha May 14 14:14:52 wan't to know if voice commands be supported in the new sdk May 14 14:15:07 michaelnovakjr_1: any idea on voice? May 14 14:15:19 what about voice? May 14 14:15:26 is it supported? May 14 14:15:39 can you hook a mic into the emulator currently? May 14 14:15:52 no May 14 14:16:02 :) so not sure its an issue at the moment May 14 14:16:11 if you can't test it why develop it? May 14 14:16:17 correct May 14 14:17:31 i am developing an insane ear piece for android phones May 14 14:17:48 what's it? May 14 14:18:33 its an ear piece that acts as a speaker/mic BUT also takes brain activity to predict what functions you want to perform on your phone based on you thinking it May 14 14:18:46 so think ... i want to check my mail... and May 14 14:18:46 woah May 14 14:18:52 your mail will be checked May 14 14:18:55 haha May 14 14:19:15 would be cool if it works May 14 14:19:30 that word works is the big one May 14 14:19:39 :) May 14 14:19:41 haha May 14 14:19:53 i am working on something else actually but its top secret May 14 14:20:00 tell me May 14 14:20:14 this is the place to disclose all secrets ;) May 14 14:20:18 i can't.... someone might steal it :) May 14 14:20:42 someon interested in blogging with me about android stuff? May 14 14:21:09 cutmasta, i'm sure people would love my sarcastic twist to android ;) May 14 14:21:09 cutmasta: you do the phandroid site right? May 14 14:21:22 nope the portal May 14 14:21:26 right May 14 14:21:27 androidportal May 14 14:21:30 muthu: i do phandroid May 14 14:21:37 so if anyone wants, just query me May 14 14:21:39 trigatch4: oh yes May 14 14:21:42 i would love to do May 14 14:21:52 i currently run it with a friend May 14 14:21:59 but the more the better May 14 14:22:03 and most of all May 14 14:22:08 quality May 14 14:23:16 cutmasta: "i would love to do" what May 14 14:23:36 lol May 14 14:24:37 ... May 14 14:28:12 so hows it going michaelnovakjr? having a good day today? May 14 14:28:29 not bad so far.... how about you? May 14 14:29:22 trigatch4, to blog with some other people about android May 14 14:29:36 oh, gotchya May 14 14:29:40 :) May 14 14:30:12 yeah i've been open to people joining android and recently, in the past couple weeks, put up a contact form and specifically mention writers joining the team May 14 14:30:26 You could do that, too... not a bad idea May 14 14:30:36 The problem is screening for qualiity May 14 14:31:13 If people were smart enough to find this mIRC channel then they'll likely be pretty knowledgeable in general. But getting queries from random web visitors can be pretty iffy. May 14 14:31:32 I haven't had any inquisitions yet, but I agree... it's definitely more fun to do as part of a team May 14 14:32:04 are you running a dev blog or android blog in general May 14 14:32:08 *correction on first line (phandroid) May 14 14:32:22 android blog in general May 14 14:32:31 I'm not a developer May 14 14:32:50 Although I have a developer "category" where I file news about SDK releases and things like that May 14 14:33:02 I'm not qualified to comment on development for the most part May 14 14:33:14 So I don't pretend to be something I'm not May 14 14:33:16 :) May 14 14:34:29 im doing good michaelnovakjr. May 14 14:34:32 trying to read a book on PDEs May 14 14:34:35 its really boring May 14 14:35:00 and hard to read. May 14 14:35:00 lol May 14 14:35:48 luckily flash games and android chatter distract me sometimes May 14 14:42:48 cutmasta: how about phandroid absorbs androidportal and you become part of my dominion? haha jk May 14 14:43:46 hehe May 14 14:44:28 cutmasta: how old are you? and where from? May 14 14:48:18 also whats your s sn May 14 14:48:25 haha May 14 14:48:26 and.. do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend? May 14 14:48:33 A/S/L? May 14 14:48:37 haha May 14 14:48:40 lol May 14 14:51:05 or do you have a girlfriend and a boyfriend May 14 14:51:11 trigatch4: I'm looking for writers at helloandroid.com :) May 14 14:51:28 hahahahahahaha May 14 14:51:43 if someone comes in here like: "does anyone have an android blog I can write for" it is going to be a brawl May 14 14:51:56 hehe May 14 14:52:27 zhobbs`: you know any android apps, that has voice support May 14 14:52:31 tz May 14 14:53:07 muthu: sdk doesn't support recording live calls, but I think it does support voice recording May 14 14:53:13 muthu: but no, don't know any off hand May 14 14:53:25 ok, so its possible to do voice commands? May 14 14:53:57 i am looking for writers too at www.androidnerds.com May 14 14:54:07 haha May 14 14:54:16 so where are all those andorid writers? May 14 14:54:17 well...I think it's possible to record an audio clip...I guess if you try to process it as a command May 14 14:54:39 so its possible May 14 14:54:39 hey michaelnovakjr_1 ill write for you May 14 14:54:40 lol May 14 14:55:15 noooo May 14 14:55:40 i say that because i know his is fake May 14 14:55:54 :) so you think May 14 14:55:59 so i wont actually have to write a "Who knows what OHA stands for?" article. May 14 14:56:13 :) May 14 14:56:18 i own that domain May 14 14:56:26 really? May 14 14:56:32 yes May 14 14:56:40 nice May 14 14:57:09 so your a squatter? May 14 14:57:18 I almost bought iphonesdk(tutorials|forums|news|etc).com May 14 14:57:24 haha May 14 14:57:27 but then got over it May 14 14:57:46 not a squatter... i actually loath squatters May 14 14:58:04 i plan on making it into a free tutorial, code library site May 14 14:58:10 I'm not a squatter either, just happen to own michaelnovakjr.com, michaelnovakjr.net, michaelnovakjr.org May 14 14:58:15 haha May 14 14:58:47 who owns android.com? May 14 14:58:57 micrsoft May 14 14:59:01 hehe May 14 14:59:11 muthu: the OHA May 14 14:59:15 nope May 14 14:59:24 its for sale May 14 14:59:35 android is a generic, dictionary word May 14 14:59:39 it redirects me to http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/ May 14 14:59:45 oh really? May 14 14:59:56 may be they bought it now May 14 14:59:59 hmmmm May 14 15:00:04 yea i guess they did May 14 15:00:11 last tiem i checked it was a parked page, too May 14 15:00:21 yea it goes there May 14 15:00:29 if I could go back in time I would just buy domains May 14 15:00:32 trigatch4: right, it was quoted for 75k May 14 15:00:38 stupid May 14 15:00:41 zhobbs i agree May 14 15:00:51 it should be illegal to squat domains May 14 15:00:53 little investment, little work, lots of money May 14 15:00:56 i own androidforums.com and someone offered me 1,000 for it May 14 15:00:59 if you don't use them then you should lose them May 14 15:01:00 there's a lot of people who did, and they are making a lot of money May 14 15:01:04 michaelnovakjr_1: not squat companies May 14 15:01:15 michaelnovakjr_1: domains like cars.com, computers.com, etc May 14 15:01:16 it was actually the owner of blackberryforums that tried to buy it May 14 15:01:19 yeah... May 14 15:01:23 sex.com May 14 15:01:32 cricket.com May 14 15:01:34 realestate.com May 14 15:01:37 poop.com May 14 15:01:39 it is annoying May 14 15:02:01 I agree... some of the most ridiculous things are taken May 14 15:02:02 pizza.com just made a killing May 14 15:02:08 correct May 14 15:02:22 the name you are trying to get is being used to serve a page of a donkey eating his own ass.... and it is something like www.codegeeks.com or something like that May 14 15:02:48 I always thought it was so funny how they invented a .mobi extension when you can just have the site determine if the user is mobile and direct them to a different version of the site May 14 15:02:54 anyone else think that is laughable? May 14 15:03:06 and then the domainers buying all these crap domains wasted their money May 14 15:03:09 its a money thing May 14 15:03:19 I know.. May 14 15:03:27 there are a few .mobi sites May 14 15:03:28 they've been pushing for an .xxx extension for porn May 14 15:03:37 that would make BILLIONS in a very, very short period of time May 14 15:03:43 i don't think it will ever happen May 14 15:03:47 .blog extension? May 14 15:03:54 you could squat oprahsvajayjay.com May 14 15:03:58 muthu: i think that m.domainname.com should just be the standard May 14 15:04:05 a lot already use that May 14 15:04:09 or May 14 15:04:11 or mobile.domainname.com May 14 15:04:13 trigatch4: right, m.domain is being used now May 14 15:04:13 oprahsvajayjay.xxx May 14 15:04:36 hah, is it taken? May 14 15:04:38 m is better May 14 15:04:43 i agree May 14 15:05:47 screw mobile sites, just need a good browser May 14 15:06:02 iphone seems very usable on normal sites May 14 15:06:08 zhobbs i disagree May 14 15:06:20 there are some things i want mobile versions of May 14 15:06:25 espn is one of them] May 14 15:06:34 i agree May 14 15:06:38 busy sites like that on a small screen annoy me May 14 15:06:55 i am obviously looking for news or scores.... why do i need all these graphics May 14 15:06:59 a good browser would be nice, but a version of a site designed SPECIFICALLY for someone using a mobile phone is an entirely different thing May 14 15:07:51 michaelnovakjr_1: check out netvibes mobile May 14 15:07:56 pretty sick May 14 15:08:23 i think RSS feed aggregators do the trick a lot of times if you are able to boil down the specifics you really want May 14 15:08:43 yea May 14 15:08:46 i am a HUGE fan of RSS May 14 15:08:59 michaelnovakjr_1: I can see what you mean for sports scores May 14 15:09:11 yea or news in general May 14 15:09:17 anything i want to quickly check May 14 15:09:38 sometimes, believe it or not, simple bare design is better!!! May 14 15:09:48 not everything needs to be so flashy May 14 15:09:58 well...I never go anywhere to quickly check stuff...I just look at my RSS feeds May 14 15:10:35 on your phone right? May 14 15:10:50 no...don't have a smart phone May 14 15:10:54 on PC May 14 15:11:03 i see May 14 15:11:31 hopefully will get a smart phone later this year :) May 14 15:11:44 i have a palm treo May 14 15:12:43 yeah man... netvibes is my savior May 14 15:13:00 i have a tab for android, a tab for general tech news, tab for sports, tab for politics... May 14 15:13:08 i put my favorite sites in each category into the tab May 14 15:13:26 yeah, I use pageflakes which looks pretty similar May 14 15:13:28 and i can get a quick overview of each subject from the sources that are my faves May 14 15:13:38 disclosure: i own stock in netvibes May 14 15:13:40 i was surprised to not see an rss reader in the top 50 ??? May 14 15:13:42 just kidding haha May 14 15:13:57 or did i miss it May 14 15:14:06 yeah hear pageflakes is good but never tried it since i'm happy with mine May 14 15:14:19 i think thats because there are already RSS feeders for mobile May 14 15:14:30 but doing something unique WITH rss feeds is an entirely different thing May 14 15:14:32 what do you mean? May 14 15:14:46 netvibes has a mobile version of their rss service May 14 15:14:48 already May 14 15:14:52 for android? May 14 15:14:54 i'm sure the others do too May 14 15:14:57 no, not for android May 14 15:15:03 but in general May 14 15:15:27 i like getting rss feeds like email May 14 15:15:36 i setup all my feeds in thunderbird May 14 15:15:39 all you would need is a button on your android desktop that connects you to your rss account May 14 15:15:41 I think a native client will be better than web for rss on android May 14 15:15:44 i hate rss via email May 14 15:15:48 i follow too many feeds May 14 15:15:53 and dont want all the news all the time May 14 15:15:59 i want to check it when i check it May 14 15:16:03 not when you tell me i should check it May 14 15:16:06 i use trac for software development and get bug tickets via rss May 14 15:16:08 my opoinion anyways May 14 15:16:19 gotchya May 14 15:16:37 trigatch4: I agree, only exception is when searching rss feeds May 14 15:16:38 zhobbs native rss clients are the way to go May 14 15:18:01 hey does anyone want to write for an android blog? May 14 15:18:06 haha jk sorry May 14 15:18:14 i've had too much coffee this AM May 14 15:18:21 zhobbs`: tunewike featured on techcrunch May 14 15:18:26 trigatch4: you're hired May 14 15:18:27 good job May 14 15:18:38 yeah that was dope May 14 15:18:44 that was posted a week ago or more May 14 15:18:55 right, May 7 May 14 15:19:02 even before the results huh May 14 15:19:02 yeah, saw that May 14 15:19:37 alright i'm out of here for awhile. you all are contributing to my non-productivity. May 14 15:19:39 have a good one folks May 14 15:20:01 :0 May 14 15:20:20 here at android's irc we support non-productivity :) May 14 15:23:23 thats why dan stays away i bet. May 14 15:34:28 being distracted is more fun so i am back May 14 15:34:41 :) May 14 15:37:38 trigatch4: congrats, saw phandroid linked on a bunch of sites May 14 15:39:05 michaelnovakjr_1: *poke* May 14 15:39:07 thanks hobbs... techcrunch, RWW and gizmodo seemed like the bigg ones May 14 15:39:08 did you ever figure out what was wrong? May 14 15:39:14 hitting digg front page didn't hurt either May 14 15:39:17 hey jasta May 14 15:39:24 it was like 2 am and i passed out May 14 15:39:59 trigatch4: cool, how many hits does digg frontpage bring in? May 14 15:40:37 I've hit it a couple other times (different sites) and both times my site crashed May 14 15:40:52 I was smart enough this time to cache the page and redirect to the cached version before hand May 14 15:41:12 If you hit in the middle of the day it's about 50,000 over a 24-48 hour period May 14 15:41:22 I hit it in the middle of the night (in US at least) May 14 15:41:28 So it'll be more like 25,000 May 14 15:41:32 wow May 14 15:41:46 not sure that my server would like that... May 14 15:41:46 The backlinks are the best part of it, in my opinion May 14 15:42:17 Yeah... digg is notorious for crashing websites haha May 14 16:53:21 apparently LiMo is having a contest too May 14 16:53:47 no $$ declared though May 14 16:59:22 Linux Mobile huh? May 14 16:59:46 yep May 14 17:01:30 the sdk is supposed to be in both native and java May 14 17:01:44 what do you mean by native? May 14 17:01:45 c? May 14 17:04:38 wtf is a point in a contest with no reward? May 14 17:05:02 do you have a link to the contest announcement? May 14 17:06:44 a job well done is its own reward. May 14 17:06:53 ha. not. May 14 17:07:22 whatever happened to the sense of community? May 14 17:10:33 hey, jasta... around? May 14 17:23:15 Regardless of the monetary prize, if you have developed an application worthy of praise and common use, then you don't need any competition merits; you have an application that can 'win' in the common market place. May 14 17:34:55 i am putting together a site that will host my many open source projects for android. This includes reusable code for developers and full user applications for the phones May 14 17:35:38 muthu: poke =) May 14 17:35:55 Kraln: what's up bud? May 14 17:36:03 Kraln, start charging that winner ;) May 14 17:36:04 all done with the semester May 14 17:36:17 muthu: lets talk =) May 14 17:36:18 haven't you taken that iphone gig? May 14 17:36:21 sure May 14 17:36:31 -> gtalk =) May 14 17:40:16 quiet .... May 14 17:40:24 very quiet... May 14 17:40:35 almost .... too quiet May 14 17:41:22 * Kraln comes up from the depths of the channel and bites michaelnovakjr May 14 17:41:32 haha May 14 17:41:59 good thing i am michaelnovakjr_1 otherwise that would have hurt!! May 14 17:42:06 lol May 14 17:42:10 now michaelnovakjr is infected. May 14 17:42:14 haha May 14 17:42:33 how's that laptop May 14 17:42:55 tomorrow they are supposed to get the parts in for it. May 14 17:43:03 it takes them 1.5 weeks to get freaking parts in stock May 14 17:43:14 i could have bought one, broke it, sent it in and gotten it back by now with the amount of time this has taken you :) May 14 17:43:38 i know May 14 17:44:00 or they could have sent me a new one probably for cheaper then this is costing them now. May 14 17:44:10 yep May 14 17:44:20 muthu: should I be expecting an im soon? May 14 17:44:26 what kind of part could this be? May 14 17:44:32 kidney?? May 14 17:44:33 2 parts. May 14 17:44:35 lol May 14 17:44:40 Kraln: yeah sure May 14 17:44:40 lungs May 14 17:44:53 actually. they are replacing the fan, and the DC Harness May 14 17:44:57 inc May 14 17:45:00 nice May 14 17:45:10 i dont know wtf a dc harness is though May 14 17:45:40 i think they just made it up May 14 17:46:07 i would say its a harness for the dc May 14 17:46:10 just a guess though May 14 17:46:16 it could be a harness for the memory May 14 17:46:19 :) May 14 17:46:38 i asked the lady. May 14 17:46:49 and she was like. its the thing that hold stuff and links stuff together. May 14 17:46:54 im like what the hell did you just say? May 14 17:47:13 haha May 14 17:47:15 i got all confused and i know a decent amount about computers. May 14 17:49:08 i'm confused May 14 17:49:20 i thought the case held everything together ::) May 14 17:49:29 ::p May 14 17:50:33 yeah i dont know what she was talking about. May 14 17:50:33 lol May 14 17:50:39 anyways. May 14 17:50:44 hows..... weatherphone? going? May 14 17:50:49 dead May 14 17:51:09 the idea is in the top 50 May 14 17:51:26 that sucks. May 14 17:51:33 well i guess at least you dont have to worry about funding it though May 14 17:52:01 yea, i am now focusing my efforts on creating free open source software to compete with this dumbass proprietary folks May 14 17:52:21 how do you know which ones will be proprietary? May 14 17:52:57 i have a feeling.... i am working on some other projects waiting for the first one to come forward.... and then its game time May 14 17:53:32 heh May 14 17:53:43 sounds like a good idea May 14 17:53:47 are you ganging up with jasta on it? May 14 17:53:58 so far its just me May 14 17:54:11 well if you need help. let me know. May 14 17:54:15 no one else showing any interest in the project since it started last night :) May 14 17:54:26 lol May 14 17:55:00 ::P May 14 17:55:52 i've got what i think is a sweet project lined up, just have to wait for the partner to make it official before i can announce it May 14 18:00:43 whos your partner? May 14 18:08:35 ... May 14 18:09:37 his left hand May 14 18:09:39 badum-ching May 14 18:10:54 lol May 14 18:32:04 partners in crime May 14 19:06:30 Does anyone do unit testing with android? May 14 19:06:37 I hear tantalizing references to a junit runner for android May 14 19:06:46 but can't seem to find it May 14 19:07:12 android positron, for example, states that you should have your acceptance tests out of the way because they'll get picked up by eclipse's junit runner May 14 19:07:28 but I have no idea how you would end up using eclipse's junit runner for android... May 14 19:25:37 there was a mention of the android junit stuff in a blog post last nov. http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2007/11/maze-of-twisty-little-passages.html May 14 19:30:08 boourns May 14 19:30:43 that link is really not helpful :\ May 14 19:32:09 yah, sorry bout that. i thought the post contiained some other stuff on instrumentation tho May 14 19:36:35 Alright I need an opinion... what do you folks think of LiMo? May 14 19:36:49 as compared to Android? May 14 19:37:03 any corporate support for it? May 14 19:37:20 LiMo? May 14 19:37:35 A bunch more just joined their forces... including Verizon May 14 19:50:09 LiMo? May 14 19:51:07 I guess it depends on how bitchy mobile operators get at android May 14 19:51:20 the idea of (gasp) a cellphone you can put your own shit on w/o paying fees! May 14 19:51:39 is there any 'there' there in LiMo? May 14 19:52:10 'limo sdk' yields a bunch of horse shit as the first hit: May 14 19:52:10 http://www.limofoundation.org/press-releases/limo-press-releases/limo-foundation-announces-sdk-strategy.html May 14 20:01:38 yeah, limo doesn't seem very promising May 14 20:06:43 it's expensive to develop something like that, and I don't think limo has that kinda $$ May 14 20:07:06 * zhobbs` wonders how much google has dropped on android May 14 20:07:53 "AT&T said Wednesday it plans to boost the speed of its 3G wireless network to speeds of 20 megabits per second in 2009, paving the way for over-the-air downloads that are more than five times faster than what customers can achieve today." May 14 20:08:04 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/05/14/att_to_boost_3g_speeds_more_than_fivefold_by_2009.html May 14 20:09:47 * zhobbs` wonders if there are dues for the OHA May 14 20:10:54 sleep time May 14 20:15:46 Deary me May 14 20:16:24 Just reading the android mailing list and I realise that something that has been a problem for me for ages is actually a bug May 14 20:19:36 In a way its nice to know I'm not mad. But it is the bug commented on by Semeria Stefano. Where first removing a class from location service updates and then unregistering the intent receiver seems to thorw nulls because it is not done synchronously. May 14 20:20:14 Anyone else saw this? Anyone got any hacky work arounds? May 14 20:30:29 anybody build any external lightweight jars for android? May 14 21:37:16 can someone explain to me the usage of addSubMenu & onCreatePanelMenu(int id, Menu menu) ? doesn't seem to work here May 14 22:30:48 i wonder why that duo app didnt get anywhere May 14 22:31:07 they need to get some kids to judge May 14 22:31:18 heh May 14 22:31:58 did any games win May 14 22:31:58 ? May 14 22:32:01 yes May 14 22:32:10 i think at least May 15 00:19:00 neat, the list of judges released May 15 00:21:01 lol, Nat Friedman was one of the judges!? May 15 00:23:06 who is Nat Friedman? May 15 00:23:19 co-founder of Ximian, and now is some high up at Novell May 15 00:23:41 apparently the other co-founder of Ximian, Miguel, was also a judge. what the hell? May 15 00:23:52 do you have a link to the article? May 15 00:23:56 i wonder which of these assholes gave me a bad score ;) May 15 00:24:20 jasta, I dont see any music comapnies on the list May 15 00:24:21 you mean the android developers blog? May 15 00:24:32 didnt know thats where it was May 15 00:24:34 thanks May 15 00:24:34 duey: Well, no music companies exist in the OHA May 15 00:24:39 :) May 15 00:24:55 they are not all OHA members May 15 00:24:58 there are a lot of judges from Google. I expected there to be none or very few. May 15 00:26:01 someone from SoniVox voted me May 15 00:26:06 judged* May 15 00:26:09 hehe, interesting: http://code.google.com/android/images/adc1r1_deck.pdf May 15 00:26:57 i'd really like to know how that CallACab app even works May 15 00:27:13 do cab companies offer some sort of advanced digital interface that i don't know about? May 15 00:27:13 jasta, well it would of been impossible to test May 15 00:28:16 hmmmmmmm, interesting May 15 00:28:21 there is another music app that won May 15 00:28:23 Diggin May 15 00:30:35 ***UHHH*** May 15 00:30:44 goCart and AndroidScan are like the same f'n thing!? May 15 00:30:49 lol May 15 00:30:57 what. the. fuck. May 15 00:31:01 stop looking at it jasta May 15 00:31:05 you will cry May 15 00:31:07 weiner. in. a. bottle. May 15 00:31:15 he has a point May 15 00:31:48 what? May 15 00:32:22 (you have a point i was meaning) May 15 00:32:32 they should of removed duplicate apps May 15 00:32:45 but i guess that isnt really fair May 15 00:32:47 yeah, that should have been part of the selection process May 15 00:33:18 duey: How isn't it? It does not benefit anyone involved except the participants to permit blatant duplicates. May 15 00:33:39 yesi agree there May 15 00:33:41 that Jigsaw app looks kind of neat, though May 15 00:34:13 but if they developed it without the other team knowing and were able to please the judges May 15 00:34:15 i just caught myself doing that the other day. using my mobile phone to take a photo of a white board drawing to archive it before i erased it to do other stuff May 15 00:34:28 yar May 15 00:34:30 duey: right, but one has to be better than the other... May 15 00:34:37 i guess May 15 00:39:32 lol, what the fucking hell May 15 00:39:38 youg uys see MyCloset? :) May 15 00:41:05 kind of a lot of emergency/saefty-type apps May 15 00:41:08 that surprises me some. May 15 00:41:48 Social Monster looks like a very cool app, actually. This one I would actually use. May 15 00:41:56 there are some pretty cool apps in this list May 15 00:41:58 I hate trying to get my friends to coordinate on anything May 15 00:42:07 They're impossible :) May 15 00:44:39 Teradesk also looks very nice. visually probably one of the best looking so far May 15 00:44:58 i wish more of thes eprojects were open, however. closed source blows. May 15 00:45:38 if the app is good, I don't mind May 15 00:46:02 that's not the point, though. closing these applications stifles further innovation on top of a sound basic concept May 15 00:47:06 open source is not magical May 15 00:47:12 innovation doesn't happen just because you're open source May 15 00:48:09 i didn't mean to imply that opening them will guarantee that they are better. May 15 00:48:35 i meant to express that closing them will limit the realm of innovation to a much smaller group of people. May 15 00:48:51 which, in turn, is likely to stifle innovation. May 15 00:49:19 of course that is no guarantee, but some of these applications are obvious candidates for community-driven extensions. May 15 00:49:35 like Teradesk in particular ;) May 15 00:50:00 Teradesk looks like they grabbed the assets from Windows Vista ^^ May 15 00:50:14 it is no wonder why the current mobile landscape is so dead. May 15 00:51:10 WritingPad is the dumbest thing I've ever seen - sorry if the developer is here. May 15 00:51:12 android alone won't change that. only a significant paradigm shift among developers will. May 15 00:51:34 trigatch4: Why? May 15 00:51:35 (well, and maybe users too *grin*) May 15 00:51:46 "Innovative and Fun Way to Type" May 15 00:51:56 I don't think anybody types to have fun May 15 00:52:10 They type because they want to input text so they can accomplish something May 15 00:52:15 actually, my first impression of writingpad was very positive May 15 00:52:26 but after watching the demo i realized that it actually is slower than a qwerty keyboard May 15 00:52:31 at least for me... May 15 00:52:34 Exactly May 15 00:52:38 S-L-O-W May 15 00:52:45 and fun? maybe for 2 seconds... May 15 00:52:51 adn even slower than most young people can use T9 May 15 00:52:54 until you realize you're bored May 15 00:52:58 and typing is quicker May 15 00:53:02 and then you delete the app May 15 00:53:48 i did like the retina scanning thing. oh man, i wish they'd create this really hollywood style UI too May 15 00:53:52 that would be awesome ;) May 15 00:54:04 too bad retina scanning with a 1 or 2MP camera would be *EASILY* fooled :) May 15 01:11:56 yeah the retina scanning thing was sick May 15 01:13:30 duey: how do you know who judged your submission? May 15 01:14:05 one of the judges ips had the company name in it May 15 01:15:20 howdy May 15 01:16:09 hey jasta, around? May 15 01:55:40 someone tell me how to get android on my phone May 15 01:56:54 i have an htc 8125 May 15 01:57:30 with WM6 May 15 01:57:40 unlocked and custom roms May 15 01:58:54 we don't support android hack installs here May 15 01:59:04 oh? May 15 01:59:08 android-internals might May 15 01:59:26 im not really trying to install it permanently May 15 01:59:38 i just want to experience it May 15 01:59:54 as do we all :) May 15 02:00:09 have you downloaded the emulator? May 15 02:00:19 the sdk May 15 02:00:20 yes May 15 02:48:29 You know what would be really cool? May 15 02:49:13 Guess not... May 15 02:49:20 who said libraries didn't win?! :) May 15 02:49:58 :) May 15 02:50:08 quiet around here May 15 02:50:18 i guess that slideshow shut people up May 15 02:52:21 well i've identified a few competitors to my app :P May 15 02:54:21 oh damn May 15 02:54:23 IMEasy May 15 02:54:26 that is awesome May 15 02:54:47 forget qwerty, just use a stylus May 15 02:54:53 if it did OCR that would be sweet, too May 15 02:55:13 be back.... ( i am developing two new kickin' applications for android ) !! May 15 02:55:29 nice!! May 15 02:55:45 one being an RSS Reader with some really neat features May 15 02:56:13 man, some of these have really polised GUI's May 15 02:56:31 that's the way to go! May 15 02:56:31 be back in a few minutes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 15 02:59:56 2008