**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 16 02:59:57 2008
May 16 06:20:14 <jasta> hey romain
May 16 06:20:28 <romainguy> yo
May 16 06:29:01 <duey> got myself a new project now
May 16 06:30:35 <jasta> what is it?
May 16 06:31:10 <duey> ive been working on it for some time just in my own time
May 16 06:31:26 <duey> but decided to do a presentation on it in a class
May 16 06:31:34 <jasta> ...yeah?
May 16 06:31:46 <duey> parasitic javascript
May 16 06:32:01 <duey> using javascript to solve distributed problems in browsers without the user knowing
May 16 06:32:23 <duey> and without significantly empeeding the browsers performance
May 16 06:32:44 <jasta> that sounds like it's doomed for failure :)
May 16 06:32:50 <duey> your so negative :o)
May 16 06:33:06 <duey> i think the without the user knowing part is doomed for failure
May 16 06:33:20 <jasta> right, and then once they know about it why would they want that running?
May 16 06:33:21 <duey> because its quite evil
May 16 06:33:31 <duey> well people donate to seti@home
May 16 06:33:37 <duey> problem is you have to download it and install it
May 16 06:33:39 <jasta> and how could you do it without impeding performance?
May 16 06:33:48 <duey> dynamic speed adjustment
May 16 06:33:55 <muthu> without the user knowing is always a sign of danger!
May 16 06:34:08 <jasta> duey: well good luck with that.
May 16 06:34:14 <duey> its a research project
May 16 06:34:28 <muthu> jasta: where you staying for IO?
May 16 06:34:45 <jasta> the marriot, a couple of blocks away
May 16 06:34:51 <muthu> great
May 16 06:35:01 <duey> muthu will be booking a room there now jasta
May 16 06:35:12 <muthu> ha, i'm looking for a cheap motel
May 16 06:35:20 <muthu> where i can stay a bit longer
May 16 06:35:46 <jasta> cheap hotel?  in downtown san francisco?  good freaking luck :)
May 16 06:35:53 <duey> motel
May 16 06:35:56 <muthu> not downtown
May 16 06:36:09 <muthu> may be a bit away
May 16 06:36:11 <jasta> oh
May 16 06:36:21 <jasta> muthu: i feel like i should warn you.  San Francisco traffic is legendary.
May 16 06:36:31 <muthu> i'm staying for a month or so
May 16 06:36:37 <jasta> if you are well outside the city you will want to kill yourself driving into the city in the morning.
May 16 06:36:51 <muthu> jasta: will be in the city only for IO
May 16 06:36:56 <duey> dont they have subways and things like that in usa?
May 16 06:37:01 <jasta> a month, really?
May 16 06:37:04 <duey> we dont have them here
May 16 06:37:12 <muthu> yeah probably a month
May 16 06:37:17 <jasta> why?
May 16 06:37:29 <muthu> just go around and have fun
May 16 06:37:36 <jasta> duey: San Francisco has decent public transit AFAIK, but even still the systems are all clogged
May 16 06:37:52 <muthu> i'm banking on public transit
May 16 06:38:04 <jasta> muthu: that's a pretty long vacation ;)
May 16 06:38:08 <muthu> air india says no return till july 10
May 16 06:38:20 <muthu> oh yeah
May 16 06:38:26 <muthu> and hopefully get some work done for p2
May 16 06:38:31 <jasta> sf is a fun city, though
May 16 06:38:38 <muthu> was there in 2006
May 16 06:38:43 <muthu> for another project
May 16 06:38:52 <muthu> SF is cool
May 16 06:40:28 <f00f-> how long are you staying muthu?
May 16 06:40:29 <f00f-> 2 weeks?
May 16 06:40:43 <muthu> a month or so
May 16 06:40:49 <f00f-> nice
May 16 06:40:53 <f00f-> staying whre?
May 16 06:40:57 <muthu> no idea
May 16 06:41:02 <f00f-> ok
May 16 06:41:05 <muthu> need to look for a hotel
May 16 06:41:15 <jasta> muthu: it would be kind of sucky to stay significantly away from the city for a montht hough
May 16 06:41:23 <f00f-> dont get too close to the conference
May 16 06:41:27 <f00f-> but dont get too far from the city
May 16 06:41:35 <muthu> jasta:  true, but i'm hoping to catch up with a few friends
May 16 06:41:36 <f00f-> depends on if you've been here before or not
May 16 06:41:38 <f00f-> i guess you have
May 16 06:41:52 <muthu> f00f-: yes, last time i stayined in sunnyvale
May 16 06:41:58 <jasta> f00f-: why not close to the conference?
May 16 06:42:11 <muthu> jasta: will be expensive
May 16 06:42:14 <f00f-> well the closest hotel is like across the street from moscone
May 16 06:42:28 <f00f-> and just too much traffic/people
May 16 06:42:33 <f00f-> although good for people watching at moscone
May 16 06:42:42 <f00f-> they always have an assortment of conferences
May 16 06:42:47 <muthu> f00f-: too much traffic/people will not bother me
May 16 06:42:47 <jasta> i plan to be on foot the whole time i'm there
May 16 06:42:53 <muthu> considering i live in chennai!
May 16 06:42:57 <f00f-> :D
May 16 06:43:01 <muthu> haha
May 16 06:43:06 <f00f-> ok android question...
May 16 06:43:07 <muthu> so its all about the money
May 16 06:43:16 <f00f-> does calling setContentView invalidate any of its child views?
May 16 06:43:16 <duey> so muthu
May 16 06:43:20 <duey> will you be doing a cooking show
May 16 06:43:25 <jasta> muthu: the hotel i'm staying at is only $200/mo, and i'm splitting it with a friend.  that's quite cheap for downtown, actually
May 16 06:43:26 <muthu> duey: haha
May 16 06:43:37 <muthu> jasta: 200/mo????
May 16 06:43:39 <duey> per montg?!
May 16 06:43:39 <f00f-> jasta: that's a steal, that's pennies.
May 16 06:43:41 <jasta> err, night
May 16 06:43:44 <f00f-> oh
May 16 06:43:45 <duey> lol
May 16 06:43:46 <muthu> ha!!
May 16 06:43:46 <f00f-> that sucks
May 16 06:44:07 <jasta> no way.  $200/night in a big city for a decent hotel.  that's not bad at all.
May 16 06:44:11 <jasta> esp since i am splitting it
May 16 06:44:24 <muthu> right, that's the smart move
May 16 06:44:51 <muthu> i'm looking at 40/50  so i can stay like 45 - 60 days
May 16 06:45:04 <jasta> damn dude
May 16 06:45:09 <jasta> i don't know why you'd even want to do that
May 16 06:45:28 <muthu> no other choice jasta
May 16 06:45:34 <muthu> if i can i'll cut it short
May 16 06:45:42 <jasta> why not?
May 16 06:46:19 <jasta> honestly muthu, if you are going to be there for 45 - 60 days, find someone on craig's list with a month-to-month rent set-up.
May 16 06:46:33 <jasta> would be *WAY* cheaper and probably more fun than a hotel
May 16 06:46:38 <muthu> ok, good idea
May 16 06:47:04 <jasta> but really, why do you have to be there that long?
May 16 06:47:14 <muthu> its the tickets jasta
May 16 06:47:20 <muthu> i'll try preponing them
May 16 06:47:38 <jasta> what do you mean?  surely there are more flights to india?
May 16 06:48:36 <muthu> right, i'll have to check with other airlines
May 16 06:50:48 <jasta> it just hit me that i'll be in Ireland in just 4 months
May 16 06:50:51 <jasta> i'm so excited :)
May 16 06:50:59 <muthu> jasta: cool
May 16 06:51:00 <jasta> just shy of 3 weeks
May 16 07:35:31 <cutmasta> hola
May 16 09:15:40 <muthu> halo bola
May 16 10:45:14 <muthu> tomgibara: you there?
May 16 11:00:27 <tomgibara> muthu:yeah
May 16 12:27:17 <tomgibara> romainguy_: Are you free to answer a simple question about ProgressDialog?
May 16 13:09:11 <tomgibara> muthu: you were after me?
May 16 13:09:18 <muthu> tomgibara: yes
May 16 13:09:31 <muthu> did mary ann chat with you?
May 16 13:09:45 <tomgibara> not yet, but I sent her my skype details
May 16 13:09:51 <muthu> cool
May 16 13:10:29 <tomgibara> how's the coding going?
May 16 13:10:38 <muthu> not yet started
May 16 13:10:57 <muthu> waiting for the team
May 16 13:11:14 <tomgibara> team of coders, or team as a whole?
May 16 13:11:22 <muthu> team of coders
May 16 13:11:31 <muthu> and the content team, i guess she has them ready
May 16 13:11:53 <muthu> you available full time right?
May 16 13:12:14 <tomgibara> with the exception of approx. 1 day a week consultancy work, yes
May 16 13:12:21 <muthu> ok
May 16 13:12:38 <tomgibara> though if deadlines are tight I can catch up weekends, but I prefer not to overcommit myself
May 16 13:12:45 <muthu> cool
May 16 13:24:29 <ligi> is that worth porting to android: http://vimeo.com/1018753
May 16 13:24:35 <ligi> namaskar muthu btw ;-)
May 16 13:24:44 <muthu> ligi: halo, how you beeb>
May 16 13:24:45 <muthu> been?
May 16 13:24:59 <ligi> muthu: a bit release stress last time
May 16 13:25:12 <ligi> muthu: being on J2ME again ;-)
May 16 13:25:17 <muthu> great
May 16 13:25:39 <muthu> whatever it takes to relieve the stress, do it
May 16 13:25:51 <ligi> work as usual - since i wasn't one of the top 50 ;-)
May 16 13:27:56 <muthu> ligi: right, anyways its work as usual for everyone ;)
May 16 13:28:20 <ligi> muthu: but i like the result ;-)
May 16 13:28:26 <ligi> muthu: seen the video?
May 16 13:28:26 <muthu> haha
May 16 13:28:34 <muthu> checking out
May 16 13:31:02 <muthu> ligi: is that yours?
May 16 13:31:28 <ligi> muthu: i coded it
May 16 13:31:35 <muthu> looks cool
May 16 13:31:37 <muthu> great music
May 16 13:32:12 <ligi> ;-)
May 16 13:32:19 <muthu> who did the music?
May 16 13:32:29 <muthu> love it
May 16 13:32:41 <ligi> the rastaman sitting beside me here @ office
May 16 13:32:55 <muthu> really good
May 16 13:33:18 <ligi> muthu: http://www.mikrokopter.de/ucwiki/en/SelectaT
May 16 13:33:37 <ligi> he's also a mikrokopter addict
May 16 13:33:46 <muthu> great
May 16 13:37:32 <ligi> muthu: do u have a j2me phone?
May 16 13:37:51 <muthu> ligi: no, i only have dumbass phones for now
May 16 13:38:03 <ligi> dumbass ?
May 16 13:38:03 <muthu> waiting for an android phone :)
May 16 13:38:10 <ligi> dumb ass ?
May 16 13:38:16 <muthu> ligi: yeah, very primitive
May 16 13:38:17 <muthu> hehe
May 16 14:03:48 <muthu> its really cool ligi
May 16 14:03:54 <muthu> mikrokopter
May 16 14:04:00 <muthu> some day i should join you
May 16 14:09:03 <volmarias> I'm going to be interviewing someone today for a position as a java dev at my company. Any suggestions on questions I should ask?
May 16 14:09:15 <volmarias> They'll be working on j2me stuff, as well as android in the future
May 16 14:09:16 <ligi> muthu: that will be great - Need some testers with Android phones then ;-)
May 16 14:09:25 <muthu> ligi: haha
May 16 14:09:30 <muthu> i was more wanting to have fun
May 16 14:09:33 <volmarias> I've never actually interviewed someone before so I'm a little nervous :\
May 16 14:09:45 <ligi> muthu: you will have
May 16 14:09:51 <ligi> muthu: i have funny bugs
May 16 14:09:57 <living_sword> volmarias, ask them the basics
May 16 14:10:00 <muthu> volmarias: is that a senior position?
May 16 14:10:08 <muthu> ligi: hehe
May 16 14:10:39 <muthu> volmarias: i presume its junior
May 16 14:11:16 <ligi> muthu: i plan to visit India since more than 3 Years - perhaps I'll have time in the next Years - but work is blocking me out
May 16 14:11:58 <muthu> yeah let me know
May 16 14:12:06 <volmarias> living_sword: yeah, I figured.
May 16 14:12:13 <volmarias> just wondering on suggestions.
May 16 14:12:16 <muthu> ligi:  i'll welcome you in chennai
May 16 14:12:28 <ligi> wanna eat real tandori chicken
May 16 14:12:36 <muthu> ligi: oh yeah
May 16 14:12:39 <ligi> and talk to some sadus
May 16 14:12:44 <muthu> ha!
May 16 14:12:52 <muthu> get into the spiritual side of things huh
May 16 14:13:30 <ligi> ;-)
May 16 14:14:24 <ligi> i'm a techno hippi - so spiritual things have to be aside my rational live
May 16 14:14:27 <living_sword> http://www.interview-questions-java.com/
May 16 14:14:43 <ligi> would get crazy otherwise
May 16 14:15:34 <volmarias> I've been copying off of http://www.allapplabs.com/interview_questions/java_interview_questions.htm
May 16 14:15:40 <volmarias> for those kinds of questinos
May 16 14:15:53 <volmarias> this is pretty good too, though
May 16 14:16:56 <ligi> volmarias: i would ask them if they plan to fully go to android UI or just doing the canvas stuff as usual in J2ME
May 16 14:18:48 <muthu> ligi: you'll be spiritually cleaned just by visiting india
May 16 14:18:59 <muthu> looking at the extremes of life.. the gap between rich and the poor
May 16 14:19:28 <muthu> come with an open mind, be prepared for anything
May 16 14:19:49 <volmarias> ligi: I'm not sure that's a good question. They may not even be assigned to android, and the resume says nothing about android
May 16 14:19:56 <volmarias> they might night have even seen android before
May 16 14:20:11 <volmarias> they're coming for a j2me position, and will probably be put onto android shortly thereafter
May 16 14:20:23 <volmarias> I suppose I misstated earlier
May 16 14:20:28 <ligi> muthu: i think so too - i like the diversity of life - makes minds open
May 16 14:20:35 <muthu> oh yeah
May 16 14:20:55 <ligi> volmarias: ah ok
May 16 14:21:32 <muthu> volmarias: listen to what he says
May 16 14:21:41 <muthu> and see how involved he is
May 16 14:22:23 <volmarias> she, actually
May 16 14:25:53 <living_sword>  How many ways can one write an infinite loop ?
May 16 14:26:14 <ligi> living_sword: finite ways
May 16 14:26:24 <muthu> haha, good one
May 16 14:26:28 <ligi> but a large number
May 16 14:27:04 <living_sword> that was actually for the interview
May 16 14:31:23 <volmarias> that's pretty good
May 16 14:32:34 <living_sword> how many u need ?
May 16 14:33:39 <ligi> "whats the funniest handset bug u know" iss a good one to imho ;-)
May 16 14:33:42 <ligi> I know some
May 16 14:34:13 <ligi> e.g. the 64000Byte limit on some old nokia phone
May 16 14:35:12 <ligi> so I'll leave Office now - cya all
May 16 14:39:00 <volmarias> that's a good one
May 16 14:39:03 <volmarias> thanks for the ideas
May 16 14:51:42 <Dougie187_> Hey everyone
May 16 14:51:44 <Dougie187_> hows it going
May 16 14:51:54 <muthu> Dougie187_: hey
May 16 14:52:03 <Dougie187_> Hows it going muthu?
May 16 14:52:11 <muthu> allright man
May 16 14:52:15 <Dougie187_> nice
May 16 14:52:20 <Dougie187_> having a good evening there?
May 16 14:52:28 <muthu> oh yeah, watching cricket
May 16 14:52:33 <Dougie187_> thats awesome
May 16 14:52:51 <Dougie187_> im watching it rain like crazy outside
May 16 14:53:07 <muthu> where"
May 16 14:53:09 <muthu> ?
May 16 14:53:20 <Dougie187_> florida
May 16 14:53:31 <muthu> love rain
May 16 14:53:35 <muthu> gives you a mood change
May 16 14:53:36 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 14:53:41 <Dougie187_> there is a lot of thunder and lightning too
May 16 14:53:44 <Dougie187_> i love lightning
May 16 14:53:46 <Dougie187_> its freaking awesome
May 16 14:54:56 <muthu> check the weatherphone ;)
May 16 14:55:02 <Dougie187_> heh
May 16 14:55:36 <Dougie187_> i love it when weather.com gives you the weather from the previous hour
May 16 14:55:39 <Dougie187_> its very helpful
May 16 14:56:01 <muthu> agree
May 16 15:03:46 <Dougie187_> hows P2 going muthu?
May 16 15:04:41 <davidw> muthu, you wouldn't like rain so much if you had more of the 2C variety:-/
May 16 15:04:52 <Dougie187_> 2C?
May 16 15:06:59 <davidw> 2 degrees celsius
May 16 15:07:12 <Dougie187_> so freezing rain?
May 16 15:07:27 <Dougie187_> \hail
May 16 15:07:33 <davidw> no, just above freezing
May 16 15:07:37 <davidw> it's worse than snow
May 16 15:07:47 <Dougie187_> then slush?
May 16 15:09:04 <Dougie187_> here its just like flash floods
May 16 15:09:17 <jasta> hehe
May 16 15:09:28 <jasta> Seattle gets a lot of that type weather in the winter
May 16 15:09:34 <Dougie187_> heh yeah
May 16 15:09:39 <jasta> like 40F and raining.  it's TERRIBLE.
May 16 15:09:42 <Dougie187_> but does seattle get thundger and lightning?
May 16 15:09:45 <Dougie187_> oh
May 16 15:09:46 <Dougie187_> that stuff
May 16 15:09:52 <Dougie187_> thunder.
May 16 15:09:58 <Dougie187_> i know oregon doesnt get thunder and lightning
May 16 15:10:03 <Dougie187_> so i wouldnt think seattle would.
May 16 15:10:08 <jasta> no, not really
May 16 15:10:08 <davidw> Dougie187_, depends where
May 16 15:10:15 <davidw> not much compared to most places though
May 16 15:10:16 <jasta> eastern WA does, though
May 16 15:10:21 <davidw> east of the cascades gets more
May 16 15:10:28 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 15:10:35 <Dougie187_> close to the coast doesnt.
May 16 15:11:01 <Dougie187_> unless its a horrible store.
May 16 15:11:03 <Dougie187_> storm.
May 16 15:11:06 <Dougie187_> damn i cant type
May 16 15:11:08 <jasta> i remember visiting Florida as a kid and they used to have these awesome thunderstorms at dusk
May 16 15:11:17 <Dougie187_> hell yeah
May 16 15:11:27 <jasta> it would be pooring down rain, but 80 degrees outside and warm
May 16 15:11:30 <Dougie187_> i remember living in indiana as a kid and we got awesome thunderstorms there every night
May 16 15:11:35 <jasta> and the sky would be dark, but not like night
May 16 15:11:36 <Dougie187_> yup thats how we get it here.
May 16 15:11:36 <jasta> it was very cool
May 16 15:11:45 <Dougie187_> especially in hurricane season
May 16 15:11:48 <Dougie187_> which is starting up soon
May 16 15:12:02 <Dougie187_> i may lose power soon.
May 16 15:12:47 <jasta> i haven't lost power for more than 5 minutes at my house in the 4 years i've lived here
May 16 15:12:48 <davidw> padova gets that some too
May 16 15:13:00 <Dougie187_> we lose power a decent amount here.
May 16 15:13:01 <davidw> here it gets thunderstorms and wind, and the temperature drops a bunch:-/
May 16 15:13:27 <jasta> a lot of areas in Seattle have underground power...
May 16 15:14:13 <jasta> ok, i just have to share this with you guys....quote of the day:
May 16 15:14:20 <jasta> [03:29] <pretender> damn
May 16 15:14:20 <jasta> [03:29] <pretender> why do i learn of critical ssh vulnerabilities from xkcd?
May 16 15:14:43 <bstock> lol
May 16 15:15:52 <Dougie187_> i love thunder and lightning
May 16 15:16:35 <bstock> hey, i got android working on the nokia810, but a lot of apps don't work, like the maps app
May 16 15:17:54 <bstock> and when i launch it it has a few apps that say 'File not found: /system/app/AlarmProvider.apk' there's like 10-12 of them
May 16 15:18:45 <Dougie187_> i dont know that anyone in here has messed with it on the n810 yet
May 16 15:18:55 <Dougie187_> i would think you would have to stick to the forums on this.
May 16 15:19:12 <Dougie187_> *most* people in here stick to the sdk
May 16 15:19:17 <bstock> heh ah
May 16 15:19:23 <jasta> i'm really not that interested in hacking android onto a phone.  i'd much rather wait until there is a sexy and mature package to use.
May 16 15:19:31 <Dougie187_> the n810 isnt a phone
May 16 15:19:34 <Dougie187_> its a MID
May 16 15:19:41 <jasta> well, onto any device i meant.
May 16 15:19:51 <Dougie187_> just clarifying
May 16 15:19:58 <davidw> well whatever it is, without the new SDK, and without source, it's going to be a hacky hack
May 16 15:20:42 <Dougie187_> true.
May 16 15:20:49 <Dougie187_> im not going to mess with it yet.
May 16 15:20:55 <davidw> maybe worth doing for the cool value, but completely uselss
May 16 15:20:57 <Dougie187_> though it would be cool.
May 16 15:21:00 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 15:21:03 <Dougie187_> i have a n770
May 16 15:21:07 <Dougie187_> but i doubt it would run on that.
May 16 15:21:24 <Dougie187_> i would rather put ubuntu mobile on it anyways
May 16 15:21:27 <davidw> I'm curious about LiMo
May 16 15:21:32 <davidw> Limo - Lame-o?
May 16 15:21:34 <Dougie187_> hah
May 16 15:21:37 <Dougie187_> Lame-0
May 16 15:21:44 <Dougie187_> or Lie-Mo
May 16 15:22:36 <Dougie187_> freaking OS2008 for n seris MIDs doesnt work on the n770
May 16 15:23:40 <bstock> heh neither did OS2007 without the hacked version
May 16 15:24:02 <Dougie187_> but they released an OS2007 for the 770
May 16 15:24:06 <Dougie187_> after a while.
May 16 15:24:13 <Dougie187_> hopefully they do the same with 2008
May 16 15:24:32 <bstock> doubt it
May 16 15:24:45 <Dougie187_> i would rather use ubuntu mobile anyways. lol
May 16 15:24:46 <bstock> you can get an n800 for really cheap
May 16 15:24:52 <Dougie187_> as i stated earlier.
May 16 15:24:58 <Dougie187_> yeah but what all is different?
May 16 15:25:19 <bstock> just faster for the most part, the n810 is basically an upgraded n800 with gps and qwerty kb
May 16 15:25:36 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 15:25:40 <Dougie187_> that kb looks sweet
May 16 15:25:44 <bstock> yeah it's nice
May 16 15:25:45 <Dougie187_> how it slides in and out.
May 16 15:25:50 <bstock> makes remote management way easy
May 16 15:25:55 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 15:26:54 <Dougie187_> and thats a big thing for sysadmins too
May 16 15:26:57 <Dougie187_> makes it way easy
May 16 15:27:08 <Dougie187_> you dont need to carry a laptop around
May 16 15:27:30 <bstock> yeah, have openvpn on it, so can dial up, vpn in, and ssh into servers 24/7
May 16 15:27:55 <Dougie187_> nice
May 16 15:28:21 <bstock> heh except i just broke bluetooth compatability by putting the new kernel on it for android ;)
May 16 15:28:38 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 15:30:23 <bstock> anyone know the default password for android?
May 16 15:30:33 <Dougie187_> 1234?
May 16 15:30:39 <Dougie187_> just a guess
May 16 15:30:51 <bstock> heh hope not, can't use numbers on it yet
May 16 15:30:56 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 15:30:59 <Dougie187_> admin?
May 16 15:31:02 <Dougie187_> password
May 16 15:31:03 <Dougie187_> root
May 16 15:31:06 <Dougie187_> blank
May 16 15:31:09 <Dougie187_> android
May 16 15:31:40 <bstock> tried a few of those
May 16 15:31:46 <bstock> i dunno i'll figure it out
May 16 15:34:39 <Dougie187_> i wonder if romainguy__ or morrildl know
May 16 15:34:48 <Dougie187_> but i gotta run
May 16 15:34:51 <Dougie187_> bbl
May 16 15:52:30 <varjag> re
May 16 15:52:35 <muthu> re
May 16 15:57:19 <varjag> god, just checked adc group again
May 16 15:57:24 <varjag> 5 days, still full of it
May 16 15:57:46 <varjag> now they gonna have scores and still (predictably) bitch
May 16 16:04:53 <bstock> i take it it's not uncommon to get the error about wrong image size when trying to run the maps app
May 16 16:27:43 <bstock> yeah even on a fresh extract of the sdk when i try to launch the Maps app it says wrong image size: 256 256
May 16 16:58:47 <inZane-_> anyone else got his quartile scores?
May 16 16:59:16 <inZane-_> Android LMS
May 16 16:59:16 <inZane-_> Effective use: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 16 16:59:16 <inZane-_> Polish: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 16 16:59:16 <inZane-_> Indispensability: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 16 16:59:16 <inZane-_> Originality: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 16 16:59:18 <inZane-_> Overall: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 16 17:11:15 <varjag>  Effective use: In the 50th to 75th percentile of all submitted applications
May 16 17:11:15 <varjag> Polish: In the 50th to 75th percentile of all submitted applications
May 16 17:11:15 <varjag> Indispensability: In the 25th to 50th percentile of all submitted applications
May 16 17:11:15 <varjag> Originality: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 16 17:11:35 <varjag> well i sortof concur :)
May 16 17:12:57 <varjag> now i know my app sucked but at least in original way
May 16 17:13:32 <varjag> amazing i got so much for polish
May 16 17:13:36 <davidw> morrildl, hey, thanks for sending out the quartile information!
May 16 17:13:48 <varjag> oh yeah, thanks
May 16 17:13:56 <morrildl> davidw, varjag: :) np
May 16 17:14:08 <morrildl> turned out to be a fairly easy script to write
May 16 17:15:40 <muthu> morrildl: good job on the quartile information being shared
May 16 17:15:50 <muthu> people are satisfied now
May 16 17:16:07 <muthu> feedback is a great motivator
May 16 17:16:13 <varjag> are they
May 16 17:16:25 <muthu> yes, i got some feedback myself
May 16 17:16:36 <muthu> from fellow adc participants
May 16 17:16:36 <varjag> well, i am satisfied
May 16 17:16:47 <muthu> varjag: see :0
May 16 17:16:49 <muthu> :)
May 16 17:17:05 <varjag> but it won't stop bitching at the adc group
May 16 17:17:09 <muthu> haha
May 16 17:17:14 <muthu> i wonder when that will stop
May 16 17:17:50 <morrildl> We are banning the posters using profanity and personal insults, etc.
May 16 17:19:21 <muthu> yup that's required
May 16 17:19:31 <muthu> its getting out of hand
May 16 17:19:39 <inZane-_> 19:11 < muthu> people are satisfied now
May 16 17:19:46 <inZane-_> im more frustrated than before :-D
May 16 17:19:54 <muthu> inZane-_: why?
May 16 17:19:56 <inZane-_> looks like ive been in the top :-D
May 16 17:20:08 <muthu> right, so you can continue with vigor
May 16 17:20:35 <varjag> inZane-_, 25% is not in the top
May 16 17:21:10 <varjag> it's in top 450 or so
May 16 17:21:11 <morrildl> varjag: It's in the top 25% :P
May 16 17:21:17 <varjag> well yes
May 16 17:21:24 <varjag> just that there's still a lot of room :)
May 16 17:22:02 <varjag> illustrates how much competition was actually there
May 16 17:22:04 <inZane-_> yes there still a lot of room. but im in top 25% in every category..
May 16 17:22:21 <varjag> inZane-_, there is a compound score, which counts
May 16 17:23:02 <varjag> but that sortof supports that there were a lot of good apps that didn't make to 50
May 16 17:36:55 <tomgibara> Moseycode scored in the 25th to 50th percentile for originality ?!?
May 16 17:37:41 <tomgibara> one might level a number of criticisms against it, but that's a surprise
May 16 17:39:46 <varjag> what is moseycode
May 16 17:39:51 <varjag> ok, i google it :)
May 16 17:41:19 <varjag> it looks original to me, but there might've been quite a few submissions dealing with barcode
May 16 17:43:08 <tomgibara> varjag: true, but the combined defining attributes of moseycode (interactive AR, location tracking and APIs for building vertical apps) is entirely unique to my knowledge
May 16 17:47:56 <varjag> tomgibara, remember it's all very approximate though, you could well be in 26th percent
May 16 17:49:24 <varjag> anyway, it makes me wonder if i should try resubmitting it at adc II
May 16 17:49:31 <varjag> with some improvements to better get point across
May 16 17:49:48 <muthu> woah.. didn't notice
May 16 17:49:50 <muthu> topic changed
May 16 17:50:03 <muthu> what? Google IO?
May 16 17:50:13 <varjag> the conference
May 16 17:50:22 <muthu> Who's going to Google I/O late night parties?
May 16 17:50:30 <muthu> haha, that must be the topic :)
May 16 17:52:32 <muthu> tomgibara: i haven't registered my nick
May 16 17:52:49 <muthu> are you in gmail?
May 16 17:53:14 <tomgibara> varjag: even being in the 26th percentile suprises me
May 16 18:16:39 <trigatch4> hey, who here was talking why sprint and t-mobile would be crappy 1st carriers for android yesterday?
May 16 18:16:54 <trigatch4> t-mobile doesn't have 3G and what was the Sprint complaint?
May 16 18:19:34 <f00f-> trigatch4: t-mobile DOES have 3G
May 16 18:19:49 <trigatch4> maybe the other way around then?
May 16 18:19:56 <trigatch4> hmmm...
May 16 18:20:19 <trigatch4> i think it was hobbs talking bout it but he's not around
May 16 18:20:20 <f00f-> and i believe EV-DO is considered 3G, too
May 16 18:58:13 * cutmasta is away (away)
May 16 18:59:08 <plusminus_> awww no
May 16 18:59:23 <muthu> plusminus_: what?
May 16 18:59:27 <plusminus_> in every category I was in the Top 25% ..
May 16 18:59:31 <inZane-_> me too
May 16 18:59:45 <muthu> cool
May 16 19:04:57 <plusminus_> ... now i want more exact results :-D
May 16 19:05:06 <inZane-_> haha same here
May 16 19:05:19 <f00f-> muthu: i've never had an aloo parantha, have you?
May 16 19:05:27 <muthu> oh yeah
May 16 19:05:29 <inZane-_> btw, isnt youre real name nicolas, plusminus_?
May 16 19:05:32 <muthu> its really good
May 16 19:05:39 <f00f-> well i've had a paratha
May 16 19:05:42 <inZane-_> -e
May 16 19:05:43 <plusminus_> inZane-_: maybe :)
May 16 19:05:50 <muthu> f00f-: soon you'll be able to cook yourself ;)
May 16 19:05:57 <plusminus_> ^^
May 16 19:06:03 <inZane-_> meiner ist marcel und wir sind in der gleichen gruppe im studivz :-P
May 16 19:06:19 <f00f-> :D
May 16 19:09:16 <plusminus_> hehe vermutlich eine der Android-Gruppen :)
May 16 19:09:28 <inZane-_> :-)
May 16 19:09:33 <plusminus_> ich wurde enttarnt...
May 16 19:09:42 <minusplus> so :-D
May 16 19:09:44 <inZane-_> lol
May 16 19:10:40 <f00f-> i love how on your forums
May 16 19:10:47 <f00f-> people say, "hi +/-"
May 16 19:11:26 <minusplus> not many nicks have such a short abbreviation that is so easy to recognize :-D
May 16 19:11:35 <lyse> hi all
May 16 19:12:11 <lyse> You've received an email with ranking ?
May 16 19:12:14 * plusminus_ cheer
May 16 19:12:20 <lyse> What does mean percentile ?
May 16 19:12:25 <plusminus_> all did, I think
May 16 19:12:43 <lyse> it 0-25, 25-50, 50-75 and 75-100
May 16 19:12:48 <lyse> what does it mean ?
May 16 19:12:56 <plusminus_> %
May 16 19:13:03 <lyse> 75-100 is best or worse ?
May 16 19:13:10 <plusminus_> worst
May 16 19:13:22 <lyse> 0-25 is best
May 16 19:13:26 <plusminus_> as it says: Effective use: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 16 19:14:13 <lyse> ok
May 16 19:14:47 <lyse> so If i'm in 25-50
May 16 19:15:18 <plusminus_> there are some better, and more worse
May 16 19:15:44 <lyse> It means I'm between 447 and 894 rank
May 16 19:15:47 <lyse> ?
May 16 19:15:57 <plusminus_> yep
May 16 19:16:11 <plusminus_> >>somewhere<<< between  :(
May 16 19:16:40 <lyse> well, it's good to know even if they could be more precise
May 16 19:17:13 <lyse> No, regret, rank 447 is really far from rank 51 :-)
May 16 19:17:58 <lyse> What was yours ? Andnav, right ?
May 16 19:19:44 <plusminus_> yes, all top 25%.
May 16 19:19:57 <plusminus_> (People remember my app *DANCE* )
May 16 19:20:12 * plusminus_ *Boogie-Dance*
May 16 19:20:14 <inZane-_> is andnav going to be opensource?
May 16 19:20:22 <plusminus_> dunno
May 16 19:20:31 <plusminus_> at least there will be an api :P
May 16 19:22:10 <inZane-_> i could use some of the code for my app
May 16 19:26:28 <jerkface03> did you guys get your score emails?
May 16 19:26:51 <davidw> yeah
May 16 19:26:55 <davidw> top quartile
May 16 19:27:13 <davidw> I think the bottom quartile pretty much means "doesn't work at all"
May 16 19:27:33 <davidw> I sent in a throwaway app in addition to the good ones, and it was the 3rd quartile
May 16 19:27:59 <jerkface03> lol believe it or not i got in the bottom 25%
May 16 19:28:14 <davidw> maybe it didn't work?
May 16 19:28:16 <jerkface03> probably because of my lack of relevant samples
May 16 19:28:24 <jerkface03> i can just imagine them looking at it and being like
May 16 19:28:27 <jerkface03> 'wtf is this shit supposed to be'
May 16 19:28:33 <jerkface03> lol
May 16 19:29:37 <jerkface03> that's ok tho
May 16 19:29:40 <jerkface03> atleast some good came out of it
May 16 19:29:48 <Dougie187_> hey everyone
May 16 19:30:25 <davidw> it'd have been nice to get an actual ranking
May 16 19:30:34 <davidw> well
May 16 19:30:39 <davidw> unless you were number 51
May 16 19:30:43 <davidw> then it would kind of suck
May 16 19:31:41 <plusminus_> :-D
May 16 19:31:55 <plusminus_> 51 is reserved to me... :P
May 16 19:31:57 <rhett> man, i was top 25% for all the categories
May 16 19:32:10 <jerkface03> rhett: what'd you make?
May 16 19:32:11 <plusminus_> you are not the only one :P
May 16 19:32:20 <rhett> oh, it's a secret :(
May 16 19:32:24 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:32:26 <Dougie187_> lam
May 16 19:32:27 <Dougie187_> lame
May 16 19:32:37 <rhett> i have a partner
May 16 19:32:38 <jerkface03> dont be a lamer
May 16 19:32:38 <jerkface03> tell us
May 16 19:32:46 <jerkface03> or Dougie187_ is goint to 187 you
May 16 19:32:48 <rhett> so i can't say till she says it's ok
May 16 19:32:49 <Dougie187_> are you in the top 50?
May 16 19:32:50 <jerkface03> going evein
May 16 19:32:56 <jasta> yawn
May 16 19:33:05 <rhett> we didn't make top 50, but the email says top 25% for everything
May 16 19:33:06 <jasta> rhett: me too.
May 16 19:33:39 <Dougie187_> are you guys going to charge money for your app?
May 16 19:33:59 <rhett> it depends on what distribution model exists for android
May 16 19:34:04 <rhett> we might be open source
May 16 19:34:28 <jasta> Dougie187_: no.
May 16 19:34:31 <jasta> Dougie187_: mine already is open source, though
May 16 19:34:37 <Dougie187_> yeah i knew yours jasta
May 16 19:34:47 <jasta> i already knew i was top 25% overall, but at least it's cool to know i was top 25% in every category
May 16 19:35:32 <rhett> yeah, that was good to know, otherwise, I had some feeling like maybe the judges just screwed up somehow
May 16 19:35:41 <Dougie187_> hey jasta.
May 16 19:35:45 <Dougie187_> i had an idea for your app
May 16 19:35:50 <jasta> yeah?
May 16 19:35:55 <Dougie187_> i dont know if you will like it,
May 16 19:36:06 <Dougie187_> but you could implement a "parental controls" system
May 16 19:36:06 <jasta> well just shoot :)
May 16 19:36:16 <jasta> why would a music app have parental controls?
May 16 19:36:30 <Dougie187_> maybe a mother doesnt want their kids to listen to Rap
May 16 19:36:43 <jasta> then maybe that mother should pull her out of her ass
May 16 19:36:47 <jasta> her head*
May 16 19:36:47 * davidw is no good at the 'polish' thing:-(
May 16 19:36:59 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:37:11 <Dougie187_> i just thought it might be a neat feature someone would want on a music app
May 16 19:37:23 <jasta> Dougie187_: i actually disagree with the entire music censoring system as it stands in conventional media, so... ;)
May 16 19:37:35 <jasta> also, there is too much work to do on Five to conceivably get to that feature...
May 16 19:37:36 <Dougie187_> hah ok.
May 16 19:38:02 <jasta> i don't think children need to be protected as much as their overbearing, insane mothers think they do.
May 16 19:38:02 <davidw> as the proud parent of a baby daughter, I want to make sure she's sheltered from shitty pop music growing up
May 16 19:38:14 <jasta> davidw: oh well, yes from bad music i agree :)
May 16 19:38:29 <jasta> maybe i could implement a rating system that tells you what Five thinks of you when you open it up
May 16 19:38:38 <jasta> like, "Alert: You're a trendy whore"
May 16 19:38:56 <davidw> !newkids, !britney, !latest shitty fad
May 16 19:39:06 <Dougie187_> haha
May 16 19:39:14 <Dougie187_> that would work good
May 16 19:40:51 <Dougie187_> my laptop isnt fixed yet.
May 16 19:40:55 <Dougie187_> i think i need to call toshiba again.
May 16 19:41:26 <jasta> davidw: unfortunately, your daughter is going to listen to bad music when she's a teenager :)
May 16 19:41:42 <davidw> I didn't listen to bad music as a teenager
May 16 19:41:44 <Dougie187_> lol no matter what you want.
May 16 19:41:51 <jasta> everyone i know listened to bad music when they were young.  i used to love techno lol
May 16 19:41:57 <Dougie187_> did you wear ear plugs and not watch tv?
May 16 19:42:07 <Dougie187_> ....i still like techno...
May 16 19:42:10 <Dougie187_> well
May 16 19:42:15 <Dougie187_> i guess it depends on what you consider techno
May 16 19:42:22 <davidw> the first ever concert I went to was the Cherry Poppin Daddies opening for Fishbone
May 16 19:42:33 <davidw> actually I think it was also the best concert I'll ever see
May 16 19:42:33 <jasta> davidw: you listen to bad music as an adult then :)
May 16 19:42:46 <jasta> i'm joking, but whatever hehe
May 16 19:43:06 <Dougie187_> my favorite is smashing pumpkins though
May 16 19:43:07 <jasta> davidw: weird as it may seem, the two very best concerts i've ever been two happened last Thursday and Saturday respectively
May 16 19:43:09 <Dougie187_> and Led Zeppelin
May 16 19:43:11 <jasta> and i've been to a TON of shows
May 16 19:43:20 <jasta> Dougie187_: not Smashing Pumpkins, the cover band, right?
May 16 19:43:27 <Dougie187_> ?
May 16 19:43:52 <Dougie187_> im talking bout Billy Corgan.
May 16 19:43:53 <jasta> Smashing Pumpkins were/are my favorite, but I reject all their new music.
May 16 19:43:57 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:43:58 <davidw> other ones that stick out were a Fabulosos Cadillacs show in San Francisco
May 16 19:43:59 <Dougie187_> its not that bad
May 16 19:44:01 <davidw> those guys are cool
May 16 19:44:02 <jasta> The Smashing Pumpkins now are a COVER band.
May 16 19:44:12 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:44:12 <Dougie187_> well
May 16 19:44:14 <Dougie187_> not two of them
May 16 19:44:17 <jasta> they can't play any original smashing pumpkins
May 16 19:44:20 <Dougie187_> two of them are a cover band.
May 16 19:44:23 <jasta> even billy corgan doesn't perform well now
May 16 19:44:24 <Dougie187_> yes they can
May 16 19:44:28 <jasta> no, they can't.
May 16 19:44:30 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:44:30 <jasta> i've seen them twice
May 16 19:44:37 <jasta> and they were FUCKING TERRIBLE.  so, i reject that they even still exist.
May 16 19:44:44 <jasta> The Smashing Pumpkins is gone and over.  RIP.
May 16 19:44:56 <Dougie187_> true.
May 16 19:45:04 <jasta> anyway, The Smashing Pumpkins were totally awesome, and I love what I remember them to be.
May 16 19:45:04 <Dougie187_> their old stuff is awesome
May 16 19:45:10 <jasta> my favorite all time, for sure
May 16 19:45:13 <Dougie187_> I had friends who went to a concert in San Fran
May 16 19:45:18 <Dougie187_> and they said all they played was the old stuff
May 16 19:45:21 <f00f-> good morning, tadidadiiiiiii
May 16 19:45:25 <f00f-> what's that song
May 16 19:45:25 <jasta> more recently, Minus The Bear is my favorite band
May 16 19:45:27 <f00f-> then the morning comes
May 16 19:45:48 <jasta> if anyone's curious, those two best shows i mentioned were Minus The Bear, and then Cloud Cult.
May 16 19:46:01 <jasta> Cloud Cult has really reinvented themselves with their new album and it's amazing.
May 16 19:46:05 <f00f-> sounds like some local garbage with poor acoustics... they must be good?
May 16 19:46:08 <jasta> Their live show is incredible, too
May 16 19:46:30 <Dougie187_> i like pink floyd too
May 16 19:46:31 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:46:35 <Dougie187_> my wife hates pink floyd
May 16 19:46:56 <jasta> please tell me that you don't like pink floyd just because you know it's a classic
May 16 19:47:04 <jasta> i know way too many people that do that sort of thing
May 16 19:47:14 <jasta> they just desperately want to like something that they don't have to defend because it's a classic
May 16 19:47:22 <Dougie187_> no i love Comfortably Numb
May 16 19:47:27 <Dougie187_> that is like one of my favorite songs in the world.
May 16 19:47:44 <romainguy_> I don't like Pink Floyds ^^
May 16 19:47:51 <Dougie187_> i dont really like to listen to their whole CDs though
May 16 19:48:23 <jasta> The Cinematics are a really awesome band too.
May 16 19:49:05 <Dougie187_> i like Boston too
May 16 19:49:06 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:49:07 <jasta> i mostly listen to indie rock these days.
May 16 19:49:09 <Dougie187_> and journey
May 16 19:49:18 <jasta> Journey?  oh god, don't admit to that.
May 16 19:49:26 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:49:45 <jasta> i will proudly say that I like Death Cab For Cutie as well.  i know it's emo, i don't care.
May 16 19:49:52 <jasta> Death Cab is from Seattle, too.
May 16 19:49:57 <f00f-> jasta: i like a few of their songs too
May 16 19:50:04 <Bonkers> why does everyone have to get so hostile over music preferences?
May 16 19:50:06 <Dougie187_> I think people are more shocked by Boston then Journey
May 16 19:50:07 <jasta> so is Minus The Bear, incidentally.  but i did not know that when i starte dlistening to them
May 16 19:50:08 <f00f-> sometimes you want something calm
May 16 19:50:12 <Bonkers> it's your choice if you want to like crappy music ;)
May 16 19:50:31 <Dougie187_> because its shocking that people listen to what you think is crap.
May 16 19:50:31 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:51:01 <jasta> f00f-: Ben Gibbard is an excellent song writer, too.
May 16 19:51:20 <Dougie187_> hey jasta did you listen to Zeitgiest?
May 16 19:51:26 <Dougie187_> (the new SP album)
May 16 19:51:41 <jasta> Dougie187_: Hell no.
May 16 19:51:48 <Dougie187_> you should try it.
May 16 19:51:53 <jasta> I told you, I refuse to believe that they even exist.
May 16 19:52:18 <Dougie187_> but your only missing the base player and the rythm guitarist
May 16 19:52:24 <jasta> it's NOT THE SAME.
May 16 19:52:30 <Dougie187_> and the base player even changed when they were a band before.
May 16 19:52:37 <Dougie187_> so your only missing the homo asian guy
May 16 19:52:43 <Dougie187_> good Ol James
May 16 19:53:12 <Dougie187_> try listening to Tarantula at least once.
May 16 19:53:18 <jasta> bands can't just hack out members, settle into their lifestyle, and go back into it with the same creative energy they had before.
May 16 19:53:24 <jasta> i have heard that song on the radio
May 16 19:53:25 <jasta> and i freaking hate it
May 16 19:53:31 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:53:46 <Dougie187_> whats your favorite old song?
May 16 19:53:59 <jasta> well let's see
May 16 19:54:02 <jasta> can i pick 3 or 4? :)
May 16 19:54:05 <Dougie187_> sure.
May 16 19:54:06 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:54:17 <jasta> alright well let me think then :)
May 16 19:54:26 <Dougie187_> i always listen to the cds and im like damn, i love this song. its like one of my favorites
May 16 19:54:35 <Dougie187_> but my favorite is Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
May 16 19:54:44 <jasta> certainly Cherub Rock and Rhinoceros for sure
May 16 19:54:46 <Dougie187_> Fo' Sho
May 16 19:54:56 <Dougie187_> Cherub Rock is in GH3
May 16 19:55:00 <Dougie187_> I always play it
May 16 19:55:00 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:55:14 <jasta> and i'd say probably Siva too.  Gish was awesome.
May 16 19:55:24 <Dougie187_> hah
May 16 19:55:28 <Dougie187_> I like Siamese Dream more.
May 16 19:55:38 <Dougie187_> I love Mayo.. cant spell it
May 16 19:55:38 <jasta> but i do really like Thirty-Three, Bodies, and Lily (My One And Only)
May 16 19:55:41 <Dougie187_> Mayonase?
May 16 19:55:50 <Dougie187_> Lily is good
May 16 19:55:52 <Dougie187_> I dont like Bodies.
May 16 19:55:55 <Dougie187_> Thirty Three is good
May 16 19:56:03 <jasta> oh yeah, Mayonaise and Geek USA are also really awesome
May 16 19:56:15 <Dougie187_> I dont really like almost any of Twilight to Starlight though
May 16 19:56:18 <Dougie187_> I hate XYU.
May 16 19:56:20 <jasta> Spaceboy too.  Can't forget Spaceboy.
May 16 19:56:33 <Dougie187_> Oh man.
May 16 19:56:38 <Dougie187_> The Everlasting Gaze
May 16 19:56:41 <Dougie187_> that song is awesome
May 16 19:56:52 <jasta> that song is hazy in my mind.  i'll have to listen to it to remember when i get home
May 16 19:56:53 <Dougie187_> i tried to play it on the drums.
May 16 19:56:58 <davidw> Free Bird!
May 16 19:57:02 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 19:57:04 <Dougie187_> Free bird rocks.
May 16 19:57:05 <jasta> or i could listen to it on my way home if i had Five on an Android phone :)
May 16 19:57:09 <Dougie187_> but not as much as The Everlasting Gaze
May 16 19:57:12 <Dougie187_> Haha true jasta
May 16 19:57:19 <Dougie187_> the music  video is good for it
May 16 19:57:21 <Dougie187_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjDvJ0AfxY
May 16 19:57:41 <Dougie187_> i like most of Machina too
May 16 19:57:49 <jasta> Machina didn't resonate with me
May 16 19:57:58 <Dougie187_> thats what Everlasting Gaze is from
May 16 19:58:07 <Dougie187_> do you like Adore?
May 16 19:58:24 <jasta> yeah, i did actually
May 16 19:58:27 <jasta> not the whole album, though
May 16 19:58:30 <Dougie187_> same here
May 16 19:58:39 <jasta> The Siamese Dream and Gish are really the only two albums that i just felt were completely perfect and solid
May 16 19:58:48 <Dougie187_> Siamese Dream and Dawn to Dusk for me.
May 16 19:58:52 <jasta> but even that they have 1 album is what makes them incredible.  it is so hard to put together a perfect album.
May 16 19:59:16 <Dougie187_> i cant get enough Dawn to Dusk
May 16 19:59:22 <Dougie187_> but i listen to Siamese Dream more
May 16 19:59:45 <Dougie187_> I also like to listen to video game and movie music.
May 16 19:59:48 <Dougie187_> like the FF7 sound track
May 16 19:59:54 <Dougie187_> and the LOTR Soundtracks
May 16 20:00:00 <Dougie187_> and the Black Mages
May 16 20:00:05 <jasta> *blech*
May 16 20:00:12 <Dougie187_> its good for reading
May 16 20:00:14 <Dougie187_> and studying
May 16 20:00:30 <Dougie187_> i cant listen to music that has words when i study
May 16 20:00:34 <Dougie187_> or read
May 16 20:00:38 <jasta> I like Snow Patrol for quiet time like that ;)
May 16 20:00:45 <Dougie187_> never tried them
May 16 20:01:01 <jasta> Snow Patrol is very talented, though they occassionally flirt with mainstream pop crap
May 16 20:01:09 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 20:01:18 <Dougie187_> have you ever heard of the infected mushroom?
May 16 20:01:20 <jasta> their live shows are great, they can write very solid music, etc.
May 16 20:01:22 <jasta> no
May 16 20:01:31 <Dougie187_> i had a friend who was really into them.
May 16 20:01:37 <Dougie187_> its kinda hard to describe though
May 16 20:01:45 <Dougie187_> i think it was all instrumental
May 16 20:02:05 <jasta> Snow Patrol's greatest song IMO is Set the Fire to the Third Bar
May 16 20:02:07 <Dougie187_> oh. and i love queen
May 16 20:02:15 <Dougie187_> and Elton John
May 16 20:02:19 <jasta> it's not very energetic, but it is amazingly well crafted
May 16 20:02:20 <Dougie187_> and Billy Joel
May 16 20:02:37 <Dougie187_> i just went to an Elton John concert the other day
May 16 20:02:40 <Dougie187_> it was awesome
May 16 20:02:51 <jasta> how freaking old are you? :)
May 16 20:02:54 <Dougie187_> 23
May 16 20:03:06 <jasta> lol, whatever :)
May 16 20:03:11 <Dougie187_> how old are you?
May 16 20:03:14 <jasta> 24
May 16 20:03:17 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 20:03:24 <Dougie187_> ill turn 24 soon
May 16 20:03:36 <jasta> i can't love old music for some reason.  i can't love things that are dead.
May 16 20:03:44 <Dougie187_> i love old music.
May 16 20:03:59 <Dougie187_> i think all old music is better then almost anything people can make now-a-days
May 16 20:04:05 <Dougie187_> it just stays with me.
May 16 20:04:17 <jasta> Dougie187_: then you are delusional, because there is no rational argument to support that conclusion.
May 16 20:04:35 <Dougie187_> theres no rational argument to deny it either though
May 16 20:04:36 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 20:04:43 <Dougie187_> its all taste
May 16 20:04:57 <jasta> it's not taste, it's about discovery :)
May 16 20:04:57 <Dougie187_> my pallet doesnt care for almost any modern music.
May 16 20:05:16 <jasta> all the sorts of music that appeal to your tastes is being produced today, by new artists.
May 16 20:05:19 <jasta> you just don't know about them
May 16 20:05:36 <jasta> mainstream pop is what you seem to be judging, which has never been good.
May 16 20:05:39 <Dougie187_> well then i like the old music for the nostalgic purposes.
May 16 20:05:59 <Dougie187_> the beatles?
May 16 20:06:06 <Dougie187_> you dont like the beatles?
May 16 20:06:47 <jasta> i'm sure you do, but if you truly love music and not what it represents in a specific context, then you can find new music to fall in love with.
May 16 20:07:06 <Dougie187_> lol i just dont feel like i need to.
May 16 20:07:19 <Dougie187_> i already have enough music that i like to keep me occupied.
May 16 20:08:40 <jasta> well, if you can accept that nothing new can be created which you like, then fine.
May 16 20:08:49 <jasta> but that conclusion would depress me too much.
May 16 20:09:19 <Dougie187_> well no im sure something can be made that i would like, i would just rather listen to the older stuff
May 16 20:10:30 <Dougie187_> i have to get the source for your app after i get my laptop back
May 16 20:10:39 <jasta> please do :)
May 16 20:11:01 <jasta> i'm proud to be one of the few people out there actually supporting open source...
May 16 20:11:10 <jasta> out there in the Android community, i mean
May 16 20:11:10 <Dougie187_> heh
May 16 20:12:17 <davidw> jasta, I'd argue that the economics of some music forms are different today, and thus people are likely to not produce them in the same form as 'once upon a time'.  Opera, for instance
May 16 20:12:28 <davidw> same form/quantity
May 16 20:12:44 <jasta> it's kind of sucky that they broke down the scores by quartile.  i mean, 2.7% were winners, so what does being in the top 25% really say?
May 16 20:12:52 <jasta> you could have been nowhere near the win.
May 16 20:12:57 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 20:13:09 <Dougie187_> top 5% would be good
May 16 20:13:26 <jasta> i mean, maybe multiples of 10...
May 16 20:13:51 <jasta> ahh well, i guess i don't care.
May 16 20:14:25 <davidw> jasta, would you really want to know if you were #51 ?
May 16 20:14:27 <jasta> davidw: and that would be valid.  but i don't think that applies to a significant degree with this particular set that Dougie187_ likes.
May 16 20:14:35 <davidw> jasta, no, probably not
May 16 20:14:39 <jasta> davidw: I couldn't have even been #119.
May 16 20:14:53 <jasta> i wasn't in the second phase of judging ("top 100"), which was actually 119 apps.
May 16 20:14:53 <davidw> why not?
May 16 20:14:57 <davidw> ah
May 16 20:15:11 <jasta> so, maybe i was 120, and a somewhat large outlier?
May 16 20:15:20 <jasta> relative to the 19 before me
May 16 20:15:26 <davidw> "reading *all* the words in the readme, in addition to looking at the pictures"
May 16 20:16:03 <jasta> i suppose the depressing part is that i got so close and didn't win.  which means, my app worked, the judges understood the concept, they just didn't like it enough.
May 16 20:16:57 <jasta> but really, whatever :)
May 16 20:17:26 <jasta> the qualifying round really wasn't that much money.  $25k for 4 months of work is pretty well in line with most software engineers salaries.
May 16 20:18:02 <jasta> and i had no immediate plans for the money.  so it's not like now that i lost i can't go out and buy my brand new car or whatever
May 16 20:18:50 <jasta> hey romain
May 16 20:20:30 <romainguy> yo
May 16 20:21:04 <davidw> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/16/croatia.body.ap/index.html
May 16 20:21:05 <davidw> wow
May 16 20:21:45 <davidw> what is up with picasa...windows only
May 16 20:22:52 <Dougie187_> and google talk.
May 16 20:23:03 <Dougie187_> picasa isnt windows only.
May 16 20:23:14 <Dougie187_> i used it in ubuntu
May 16 20:32:21 <davidw> Dougie187_, yeah?
May 16 20:32:24 <Dougie187_> http://picasa.google.com/linux/
May 16 20:32:35 <davidw> I need someplace to put a bunch of baby pics
May 16 20:41:56 <jasta> f-spot can upload to picasaweb
May 16 20:41:58 <jasta> automatically
May 16 20:43:22 <Kraln> ooh
May 16 20:43:23 <Kraln> interesting
May 16 20:43:28 <Kraln> I scored really well in two quartiles
May 16 20:43:34 <Kraln> average in one, and poor in the last
May 16 20:43:35 <davidw> interesting
May 16 20:43:43 <davidw> I'll have to try it, thanks for the tip
May 16 20:44:18 <Kraln> hmm
May 16 20:44:59 <davidw> that was Ettore's app...:-/
May 16 20:45:40 <jasta> Kraln: what were the categories?
May 16 20:46:34 <jasta> i scored top 25% in all 4 categories, but actually, out of 1788 participants that does not mean much.
May 16 20:46:44 <Kraln> posted them on http://code.google.com/p/androidchat/
May 16 20:46:51 <jasta> the winning group was overall in the top 2.8%
May 16 20:47:19 <davidw> well, sleep time
May 16 20:47:53 <rhett> probably, if we scored in the top 25% in everything, we were at least in the top 15-20% overall, which still doesn't mean much
May 16 20:48:20 <jasta> rhett: yeah, those percentages could be way, way off the win.
May 16 20:48:34 <jasta> hundreds of people could be in front of you :)
May 16 20:48:44 <jasta> rhett: what was your app again?
May 16 20:48:50 <rhett> secret :(
May 16 20:48:53 <jasta> booo
May 16 20:49:14 <Dougie187_> thats what i said.
May 16 20:49:15 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 20:49:47 <rhett> when do we get a new sdk ?
May 16 20:49:58 <Dougie187_> when it comes out
May 16 20:55:33 <jasta> the google doodle for today is awesome
May 16 20:57:07 <rhett> yellow laser?
May 16 20:57:57 <Dougie187_> yeah the laser one is cool
May 16 20:58:18 <jasta> rhett: i'm gonna throw out a random bet that the new sdk doesn't come until after the ADC
May 16 20:58:38 <jasta> it's already blown way past everyone's predictions
May 16 20:58:59 <f00f-> if it comes out before or during Google I/O you owe me a round jasta
May 16 20:59:06 <Dougie187_> im gonna bet second half of 08
May 16 20:59:16 <jasta> f00f-: are you gonna be there?
May 16 20:59:20 <f00f-> yeah :)
May 16 20:59:28 <jasta> how will we know who you are? :)
May 16 20:59:38 <jasta> will you wear a name tag that says "f00f-"?
May 16 20:59:54 <f00f-> i'll be hunting down the google android guys
May 16 20:59:55 <f00f-> maybe :P
May 16 21:00:08 <f00f-> planning on being there both days
May 16 21:01:01 <jasta> me too
May 16 21:01:42 <jasta> http://www.last.fm/user/jasta -- that's a picture of me, so you can at least recognize me :)
May 16 21:04:15 <f00f-> cool
May 16 21:04:15 <f00f-> wow
May 16 21:04:18 <f00f-> 30k tracks played!
May 16 21:04:39 <jasta> yes, i'm awesome.
May 16 21:05:06 <f00f-> http://www.last.fm/user/f00f but that was ages ago
May 16 22:10:18 <jasta> alright, getting my feet wet with a Rhtyhmbox proof-of-concept plugin for my system
May 16 22:14:50 <jasta> i get the sense that a music player plugin is not the way to go though, given that supporting popular Windows and Mac players would be impossible
May 16 22:18:38 <jasta> but in the case of Rhythmbox, it would probably be the easiest way to build up a proof of concept
May 16 22:18:44 <jasta> since it is so flexible
May 16 22:46:58 <Dougie187_> jasta id say its a good idea.
May 16 22:47:21 <Dougie187_> For windows and Mac couldnt you make like a URL that you can "stream" music from?
May 16 22:47:25 <Dougie187_> or something like that?
May 16 23:01:06 <jasta> Dougie187_: what?
May 16 23:01:41 <jasta> i will likely need to use a dynamic filesystem to implement the Five client generically for all platforms
May 16 23:01:52 <Dougie187_> ok
May 16 23:01:53 <jasta> but the FUSE approach will require a lot of extra architecture that i think is wasted energy for a proof of concept
May 16 23:01:59 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:02:03 <Dougie187_> true.
May 16 23:02:21 <Dougie187_> too bad windows media player wouldnt be easy to extend.
May 16 23:02:24 <Dougie187_> that would help you out alot.
May 16 23:02:25 <Dougie187_> but hey
May 16 23:02:26 <jasta> mainly because the FUSE module will need to communicate with a separate daemon component.  they will need to work in conjunction.
May 16 23:02:29 <Dougie187_> look into extending winamp
May 16 23:02:43 <Dougie187_> because i know a lot of people like winamp
May 16 23:02:45 <jasta> lol, yeah right :)
May 16 23:02:53 <Dougie187_> why not?
May 16 23:02:54 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 23:02:59 <jasta> for Windows, I will probably do IFS.  And for Mac and Linux, FUSE.
May 16 23:03:18 <jasta> but for the proof-of-concept i will use Rhythmbox, I think
May 16 23:03:32 <jasta> since it's what i use at work and on my laptop, and seems to have a very flexible plugin architecture
May 16 23:03:49 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:04:08 <Dougie187_> is WMP good with plugins?
May 16 23:05:01 <jasta> who cares, it's winamp :)
May 16 23:05:32 <Dougie187_> no media player
May 16 23:06:53 <Dougie187_> i meant is media player good with plugins
May 16 23:09:31 <jasta> what's media player?
May 16 23:09:37 <Dougie187_> Windows Media player.
May 16 23:09:38 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 23:09:39 <Dougie187_> ...
May 16 23:09:40 <Dougie187_> WMP
May 16 23:09:42 <jasta> oh, who knows
May 16 23:09:45 <Dougie187_> ok
May 16 23:09:46 <jasta> also, who cares
May 16 23:09:47 <jasta> :)
May 16 23:09:49 <Dougie187_> brb
May 16 23:10:14 <jasta> You might have noticed that I don't use Windows.  For my system to be extended there will likely require substantial community help.
May 16 23:10:29 <jasta> I want it to be, and if ultimately no one else is willing I will learn to do it myself.
May 16 23:10:37 <jasta> But that will probably not happen in a timely manner without help.
May 16 23:15:02 <jasta> i am really excited to take something like this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5630105143.html
May 16 23:15:33 <jasta> and either create a programmable interface between Android and this device to support my applicatin
May 16 23:15:43 <jasta> or just develop a new client app directly onto this system
May 16 23:15:52 <jasta> putting a GSM radio in it, obviously
May 16 23:16:03 <jasta> that would be so unbelievably awesome
May 16 23:25:05 <Dougie187_> that would be pretty cool.
May 16 23:25:12 <Dougie187_> When are you looking for "contributions"?
May 16 23:25:36 <jasta> any time :)
May 16 23:25:50 <Dougie187_> are they for ADC2?
May 16 23:26:01 <jasta> open source projects are funny, though.  typically it will be my responsibility to carry the project until it catches on :)
May 16 23:26:09 <jasta> or until i give up
May 16 23:26:44 <jasta> Dougie187_: presently, ADC2 is not on my radar.
May 16 23:27:01 <jasta> i plan to submit if i can, of course, but i'm not really developing or organizing the project around it at this point
May 16 23:27:24 <jasta> previously, the project was being organized around the ADC.  now i'm just moving it along trying to capture a user base.
May 16 23:27:35 <jasta> that's why i'm developing the desktop client now, ahead of the android client.
May 16 23:27:51 <Dougie187_> Yeah.
May 16 23:28:03 <jasta> it's a bit of a relief, actually.  the ADC was forcing me to develop my application very strangely.
May 16 23:28:18 <Dougie187_> ADC2 Doesnt depend on your app being  (not) released to the public yet does it?
May 16 23:28:25 <jasta> implementing functionality that i can't practically test or demo...
May 16 23:28:34 <jasta> Dougie187_: i doubt it would, but the details are not available yet so...
May 16 23:28:49 <jasta> if i'm learned anything in the past 5 months it's that you can't predict what Google will do next :)
May 16 23:28:59 <Dougie187_> heh
May 16 23:29:25 <Dougie187_> what kinda laptop do you have?
May 16 23:29:59 <jasta> a lenovo 3000 n200
May 16 23:30:00 <Dougie187_> Ohhh windows xp sales end on may 20th
May 16 23:30:02 <Dougie187_> nice.
May 16 23:30:03 <jasta> running ubuntu
May 16 23:30:09 <Dougie187_> i wanna get a lenovo R61
May 16 23:30:25 <jasta> the R series are thick, i hear.
May 16 23:30:28 <Dougie187_> a t61 would be cool too though
May 16 23:30:28 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:30:44 <Dougie187_> but they are also really cheap and cool looking
May 16 23:30:46 <jasta> i'm thinking that my next laptop may be a bit smaller.  i am frustrated that i can't really use it on planes.
May 16 23:30:55 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:31:04 <Dougie187_> i would get the 14.1 inch widescreen one
May 16 23:31:07 <jasta> i honestly may buy two laptops.
May 16 23:31:22 <jasta> one of those ultraportable ones and then a bigger one for productivity
May 16 23:31:24 <Dougie187_> one for travel?
May 16 23:31:26 <Dougie187_> hah
May 16 23:31:26 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:31:29 <Dougie187_> you should get an MID
May 16 23:31:34 <Dougie187_> and N810 would be cool
May 16 23:31:42 <jasta> it seems like a waste of money, but the extremes are too uncomfortable to have either.
May 16 23:32:06 <jasta> i am going to Ireland in September and I would love to have a laptop to use on the flight.
May 16 23:32:09 <jasta> get a bit of coding done
May 16 23:32:14 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:32:19 <jasta> though i wonder how effective i could code without an internet connection
May 16 23:32:22 <Dougie187_> they have fairly small dells
May 16 23:32:27 <jasta> i do a lot of research before i start writing anything
May 16 23:32:34 <Dougie187_> well do it before you cod.
May 16 23:32:35 <Dougie187_> code.
May 16 23:33:06 <jasta> i think i might just buy volumes 1 - 3 of The Art of Computer Programming and do a little pleasure reading :)
May 16 23:33:25 <Dougie187_> haha
May 16 23:33:28 <Dougie187_> that sounds kinda boring
May 16 23:33:32 <Dougie187_> are those any good?
May 16 23:33:37 <morrildl> I am liking how these slides are turning out
May 16 23:33:48 <jasta> morrildl: What slides?  For I/O?
May 16 23:33:51 <morrildl> jasta: Eee PC?
May 16 23:33:53 <morrildl> yeah
May 16 23:34:35 <Dougie187_> are you gonna do a presentation morrildl?
May 16 23:34:46 * morrildl is doing 2
May 16 23:34:55 <Dougie187_> cool
May 16 23:34:56 <morrildl> plus I will probably end up moderating the Fireside chat
May 16 23:34:57 <Dougie187_> on what?
May 16 23:35:07 <morrildl> Inside the Application Framework, and Mobile Mashups
May 16 23:35:26 <duey> lol got some scores
May 16 23:35:29 <morrildl> the App Framework one is basically: "Okay, so you know about the Activity Lifecycle and processes and all that.  But WHY does it all work that way"
May 16 23:35:56 <jasta> powerpoint makes me want to hurt people.
May 16 23:36:13 <jasta> both creating and viewing them.
May 16 23:36:19 <romainguy_> depends
May 16 23:36:27 <romainguy_> a very large portion of slide decks suck
May 16 23:36:34 <romainguy_> but some people are very good at it
May 16 23:36:44 <Dougie187_> Why not use latex?
May 16 23:36:52 <duey> because powerpoiint wins!!!
May 16 23:36:56 <Dougie187_> pfft.
May 16 23:36:58 <duey> :p
May 16 23:37:00 <romainguy_> Dougie187_: because Keynote is a lot easier to use :)
May 16 23:37:03 <duey> i use latex personally
May 16 23:37:11 <duey> but yeah i prefer keynote for presentations
May 16 23:37:51 <duey> latex is awesome for writing reports though
May 16 23:38:01 <Dougie187_> i use latex for slides
May 16 23:38:04 <Dougie187_> personally
May 16 23:38:08 <Dougie187_> beamer package makes it easy
May 16 23:38:25 <romainguy_> yeah but you get ugly slides
May 16 23:38:47 <morrildl> Keynote FTW!
May 16 23:38:47 <Dougie187_> i like them.
May 16 23:38:53 <Dougie187_> there are other ones as well
May 16 23:38:59 <Dougie187_> not just beamer.
May 16 23:39:02 <Dougie187_> theres beamersplit
May 16 23:39:02 <morrildl> if you have to use a presentation app, Keynote is the one
May 16 23:39:02 <duey> yeah cant beat the flashing and moving objects and the rotating text and slide transitions <3
May 16 23:39:04 <Dougie187_> and some other ones.
May 16 23:39:09 <morrildl> except that it doesn't autsoave
May 16 23:39:11 <romainguy_> duey: it's not about that
May 16 23:39:15 <duey> i know :P
May 16 23:39:16 <jasta> man, i should really get a mac one of these days
May 16 23:39:20 <morrildl> and locks up if you try and
May 16 23:39:26 <duey> keynote is made for presentations latex is not
May 16 23:39:46 <jasta> latex is for typesetting, bookgs et al.
May 16 23:39:47 <jasta> books*
May 16 23:39:49 <morrildl> jasta: the MacBooks are quite nice.  MacBook Pros are slightly nicer but not enough nicer that I'd buy one out of my own pocket
May 16 23:39:50 <duey> yep
May 16 23:40:08 <romainguy_> morrildl: depends what you do with it
May 16 23:40:19 <morrildl> romainguy_: no, not really :)
May 16 23:40:21 * morrildl is cheap
May 16 23:40:25 <jasta> i don't think i could ever be a "mac user", but maybe i could use them as a tool :)
May 16 23:40:27 <duey> not all of us use lightroom :)
May 16 23:40:31 <romainguy_> I remember trying to use a friend's MacBook
May 16 23:40:52 <morrildl> jasta: Just don't get one of those new MacBook FAILs
May 16 23:40:54 <romainguy_> it was a suffering trying to use a Java IDE + Keynote + Photoshop to work on a presentation :))
May 16 23:41:12 <morrildl> romainguy_: yeah but that was probably due entirely to Photoshop ;)
May 16 23:41:41 <romainguy_> morrildl: IntelliJ and Keynote are not lightweight either :p
May 16 23:41:46 <romainguy_> (even though Keynote feels lightweight)
May 16 23:41:50 <morrildl> hehehe
May 16 23:41:51 <morrildl> yeah
May 16 23:41:56 <morrildl> As I speak it's around 800MB
May 16 23:42:18 <jasta> i'm just glad that no one ever asks me to create slideshows, spreadsheets, etc ;)
May 16 23:42:37 <romainguy_> I like writing presentations when I'm not constrained by an "official" template
May 16 23:42:41 <romainguy_> like JavaOne @!#
May 16 23:42:48 <Dougie187_> im not big on macs personally.
May 16 23:42:52 <Dougie187_> i cant get use to the single click
May 16 23:42:52 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 23:42:56 <duey> ...
May 16 23:43:03 <Dougie187_> i know thats a poor reason
May 16 23:43:13 <romainguy_> Dougie187_: yeah, especially since right click exists...
May 16 23:43:21 <Dougie187_> true but its not the same.
May 16 23:43:25 <duey> huh?
May 16 23:43:25 <jasta> Dougie187_: see, i can't get used to clicking at all.  i use linux :)
May 16 23:43:31 <Dougie187_> hah
May 16 23:43:33 <romainguy_> right now I'm using a 8 buttons mouse on my mac...
May 16 23:43:38 <romainguy_> all of them work
May 16 23:43:39 <Dougie187_> too many buttons.
May 16 23:43:43 <Dougie187_> i like keyboard shortcuts
May 16 23:43:51 <romainguy_> you can use that too
May 16 23:43:55 <duey> i use a mx revolution on my mac
May 16 23:43:57 <duey> it works great
May 16 23:43:58 <Dougie187_> and i hate holding crtl to do right click
May 16 23:44:04 <duey> i configured the thumb scroll to change music
May 16 23:44:05 <duey> its great
May 16 23:44:05 <romainguy_> Dougie187_: then use a mouse with two buttons...
May 16 23:44:09 <jasta> i'm going home
May 16 23:44:12 <jasta> later folks
May 16 23:44:13 <Dougie187_> no on a laptop
May 16 23:44:17 <Dougie187_> i dont want to have a mouse.
May 16 23:44:22 <romainguy_> Dougie187_: then you can tap the mousepad with two fingers
May 16 23:44:22 <duey> -_-
May 16 23:44:24 <Dougie187_> unless i am playing games (external i mean)
May 16 23:44:25 <jasta> hey, i'm gonna take one last crack at trying to create a screen cast where i don't think i sound too dorky.
May 16 23:44:40 <Dougie187_> hah have fun jasta
May 16 23:44:41 <jasta> i have recorded like 5 versions so far over the past couple of days and i can't stand them :)
May 16 23:44:52 <duey> jasta, use a voice changer
May 16 23:44:55 <jasta> maybe i need a new microphone.  my girlfriend says they don't even sound like me.
May 16 23:45:00 <duey> or some sound software
May 16 23:45:22 <jasta> i thought about using festival, but it sounds too funky
May 16 23:47:59 <Dougie187_> duey whats happening with your app?
May 16 23:48:32 <duey> stopped it for now
May 16 23:48:43 <duey> changed my focus at uni
May 16 23:48:44 <Dougie187_> are you going to pick it back up?
May 16 23:48:47 <duey> yeah maybe
May 16 23:48:50 <Dougie187_> for ADC2?
May 16 23:48:57 <duey> depends when adc2 is
May 16 23:49:05 <morrildl> Dougie187_: I wrote a book on Linux
May 16 23:49:08 <morrildl> Now I use a Mac
May 16 23:49:13 <morrildl> that probably says something
May 16 23:49:14 <duey> lol
May 16 23:49:17 <Dougie187_> I used a mac.
May 16 23:49:21 <Dougie187_> and then wrote a book on linux
May 16 23:49:22 <morrildl> Whether it says more about Linux or Macs, I can't say
May 16 23:49:25 <duey> i use all three everyday
May 16 23:49:28 <Dougie187_> hah
May 16 23:49:30 <Dougie187_> no im kidding
May 16 23:49:37 <Dougie187_> but i used a mac. and then installed ubuntu
May 16 23:49:47 <Dougie187_> then again it was a little while ago
May 16 23:49:51 <Dougie187_> and the mac was a mac book pro
May 16 23:49:58 <morrildl> The only think I don't like about Ubuntu is that is uses dpkg
May 16 23:50:00 <Dougie187_> they are just a big too expensive for me
May 16 23:50:01 * morrildl prefers RPM
May 16 23:50:10 <duey> mac for development, windows for irc/games/internet/msn, linux for server stuff
May 16 23:50:14 <duey> thats my view
May 16 23:50:23 <Dougie187_> i think of mac for media.
May 16 23:50:24 <duey> mac for work
May 16 23:50:26 <Dougie187_> windows for....
May 16 23:50:28 <rhett> What I hate about mac is that you have to pay a premium for the hardware
May 16 23:50:31 <Dougie187_> ubuntu for dev
May 16 23:50:34 <duey> hardly
May 16 23:50:34 <morrildl> duey: that is mostly my worldview except that for games I do consoles
May 16 23:50:44 <duey> ah ok i have a console but im not much of a console fan
May 16 23:50:44 <Dougie187_> true morrildl
May 16 23:50:48 <rhett> for mac pro's it's a big premium.
May 16 23:50:54 <Dougie187_> i have switched to consoles more recently
May 16 23:51:02 <duey> yes thats true - but you get what you pay for
May 16 23:51:13 <Dougie187_> but i need a better laptop before SC2 comes out
May 16 23:51:17 <Dougie187_> i must get that
May 16 23:51:23 <duey> i have never had a mac taken to repair
May 16 23:51:30 <duey> hahahah
May 16 23:51:31 <Dougie187_> ;p;
May 16 23:51:33 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 23:51:54 <morrildl> next week, it's vim vs. emacs
May 16 23:51:59 <duey> oh ouch
May 16 23:52:01 <Dougie187_> hahaha
May 16 23:52:03 <Dougie187_> vim all the way
May 16 23:52:07 <duey> nano for me :)
May 16 23:52:08 <morrildl> vim FTW!
May 16 23:52:11 <rhett> I tried a hackintosh
May 16 23:52:19 <Dougie187_> i love vim.
May 16 23:52:21 <rhett> there were too many little annoyances
May 16 23:52:24 <duey> textmate <3
May 16 23:52:26 <Dougie187_> folding.
May 16 23:52:27 <Dougie187_> omg
May 16 23:52:57 <morrildl> Dougie187_: oh I don't even use that. Eclipse does folding and it annoys me.  Real programmers keep the whole buffer in the brains anyway ;)
May 16 23:53:07 <Dougie187_> lol i love folding.
May 16 23:53:13 <f00f-> i hate folding
May 16 23:53:14 <duey> folding annoys me so much
May 16 23:53:20 <Dougie187_> i have been using vim with latex-suite more recently.
May 16 23:53:21 <f00f-> but you can mostly disable it
May 16 23:53:23 <f00f-> in preferences
May 16 23:53:25 <Dougie187_> its freaking cool
May 16 23:53:26 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:53:27 <rhett> i switched to vim for the rails mode
May 16 23:53:29 <morrildl> I once wrote a vim regex that converted csh scripts into sh scripts
May 16 23:53:34 <Dougie187_> i put folding on with vim using markers.
May 16 23:53:36 <rhett> rails.vim is the fastest way to do ruby on rails for sure
May 16 23:53:44 <duey> lol
May 16 23:53:49 <Dougie187_> so you have /*{{{*/ and /*}}}*/ around folds.
May 16 23:53:49 <duey> dont get me started on ror !
May 16 23:54:01 <duey> worst framework i have ever used
May 16 23:54:02 <morrildl> ooh, that's another good friday night smackdown topic
May 16 23:54:05 <rhett> i used emacs for years
May 16 23:54:07 <tomgibara> What's the use of folding, especially inside and IDE like Eclipse?
May 16 23:54:12 <tomgibara> *an
May 16 23:54:22 <morrildl> PHP vs. Rails vs. Groovy vs. TurboGears vs. [ad nauseum]
May 16 23:54:24 <Dougie187_> i just like it because it makes it easier to get to what you want.
May 16 23:54:26 <rhett> i really like folding for html tomgibara
May 16 23:54:37 <rhett> hey duey what framework do you prefer?
May 16 23:54:47 <morrildl> rhett: now THAT is a great point.
May 16 23:54:53 <duey> well it depends
May 16 23:55:04 <tomgibara> HTML maybe but for java code, Ctrl-O to it
May 16 23:55:17 <duey> if im doing something large - no framework perse just templating engines etc
May 16 23:55:25 <Dougie187_> well i am not very familar with eclipse
May 16 23:55:29 <Dougie187_> i do all my coding in vim
May 16 23:55:32 <duey> if im doing a quick signup form something like cakephp does the job
May 16 23:55:37 <duey> i have been playing with app engine lately
May 16 23:55:42 <duey> and i must say its quite nice
May 16 23:55:49 <rhett> hmm, yeah, I made my own "MVC" framework for mod_perl, it's 3 directories named "M, V, and C"
May 16 23:56:07 <rhett> and i use template toolkit
May 16 23:56:13 <duey> ~~i dont really understand why people call it mvc for website stuff
May 16 23:56:17 <tomgibara> problem w/ folding HTML is that, if your HTML is so complex you need to fold, it's too deeply nested to make it worthwhile
May 16 23:56:35 <duey> they do seperate the components into model/view/controller but thats only half of what mvc is
May 16 23:56:53 <duey> proper mvc updates all the views on a given change
May 16 23:57:03 <duey> so i guess it doesn't really apply to websites
May 16 23:57:07 <rhett> hey anyway, back to the topic at hand
May 16 23:57:10 <Dougie187_> anyways back to the smack down everyone.
May 16 23:57:11 <Dougie187_> lol
May 16 23:57:11 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 16 23:57:12 <duey> yes mac is the best
May 16 23:57:16 <Dougie187_> Linux
May 16 23:57:27 <rhett> i really wanted to be able to use photoshop/illustrator while i have vim/rails going
May 16 23:57:52 <rhett> but, like I said, the hackintosh is too annoying to deal with, and I'm too poor to keep buying powermacs
May 16 23:58:01 <Dougie187_> me too
May 16 23:58:06 <Dougie187_> thats why i dont want to get one.
May 16 23:58:08 <Dougie187_> too much money.
May 16 23:58:11 <duey> while i can run photoshop on a macmini
May 16 23:58:14 <rhett> or mac pro's I mean
May 16 23:58:23 <duey> but i dont do anything fancy with it
May 16 23:58:44 <rhett> yeah, look at ram prices apple charges vs newegg duey
May 16 23:58:53 <duey> oh yeah dont buy ram from apple
May 16 23:58:58 <duey> everyone knows this!
May 16 23:58:58 <rhett> and they use some sort of special ram, soyou can't just plug it in from newegg
May 16 23:59:05 <romainguy_> RAM is the only thing I don't buy from Apple
May 16 23:59:06 <duey> thats incorrect
May 16 23:59:13 <romainguy_> but the price is definitely worth the hardware, at least to me
May 16 23:59:29 <rhett> laptops aren't as bad as the mac pros
May 16 23:59:44 <Dougie187_> i think SSD's are way too expensive.
May 16 23:59:53 <Dougie187_> like in the x300 and macbook air
May 16 23:59:53 <duey> Dougie187_, at least for now
May 16 23:59:59 <Dougie187_> thats like 3k just for the laptop
May 17 00:00:01 <Dougie187_> way too much
May 17 00:00:07 <Dougie187_> yeah
May 17 00:00:09 <rhett> i thought everyone at google's biggest problem was being pinned down by piles of money romainguy_
May 17 00:00:15 <tomgibara> morrildl: thanks for distributing the scores, but I think it's going to cause you more trouble :(
May 17 00:00:25 <Dougie187_> hah
May 17 00:00:26 <duey> lol
May 17 00:00:30 <duey> i dont even understand them
May 17 00:00:35 <morrildl> tomgibara: how so?
May 17 00:00:44 <romainguy_> rhett: ?? I just said I don't find Macs too expensive
May 17 00:00:50 <Dougie187_> i didnt get my scores.
May 17 00:00:59 <morrildl> (but whether it does or not isn't really the point, people ought to know their scores)
May 17 00:01:22 <tomgibara> morrildl: I think people are going to pick them apart and demonstrate 'inconsistencies'
May 17 00:01:33 <duey> i think mine are fair
May 17 00:02:13 <rhett> romainguy_, mac pro's are at least 2x hardware with otherwise the same specs
May 17 00:02:25 <romainguy_> rhett: far from it
May 17 00:02:32 <tomgibara> duey: I actually think my scores are questionable, but I'm a grown man and can cope with that sort of thing
May 17 00:02:45 <duey> i dont actualy understand the wording
May 17 00:03:20 <rhett> 8GB RAM add $1500 LOL
May 17 00:03:27 <morrildl> tomgibara: well, that's why we used quartiles.  The physical scores really do mean nothing, because in the end we had to coerce 1788 applications to 50.  The only remotely fair way to do that is numerically, but in the end it boils down to an aliasing problem
May 17 00:03:29 <romainguy_> rhett: we just said that the RAM was too expensive
May 17 00:03:33 <duey> rhett, do not buy ram from apple!
May 17 00:03:40 <romainguy_> rhett: I never bought my RAM from Apple
May 17 00:03:54 <tomgibara> morrildl: I would have agreed that people should have their scores
May 17 00:03:58 <tomgibara> I wanted my scores to see what the weaknesses of my app were (from the perspective of the judges)
May 17 00:04:14 <duey> I understand what this means: In the top 25% of all submitted applications
May 17 00:04:23 <duey> but what does thisd mean: In the 25th to 50th percentile of all submitted applications
May 17 00:04:38 <duey> is that bad or good
May 17 00:04:50 <tomgibara> but I just found the fact that the app didn't get into the top 25% for originality casts a long shadow over the other figures
May 17 00:05:46 <rhett> we're going to have a huge banner on our website: Top25%!!!!!!!
May 17 00:05:52 <duey> haha
May 17 00:06:16 <morrildl> Yeah, there are a number of apps that scored well that I agree with, and a bunch where I very definitely disagree with the judges
May 17 00:06:34 <rwhitby> duey: I'd expect that means worse than the top 50%, but better than the bottom 25%.
May 17 00:06:36 <rhett> morrildl, thanks for releasing the scores
May 17 00:06:42 <duey> rwhitby, right
May 17 00:06:45 <morrildl> Someone did make an interesting observation that on the whole, the Alliance companies are generally semiconductor and hardware companies, and not really software companies
May 17 00:07:10 <morrildl> I suppose that could be an implicit source of bias
May 17 00:07:20 <tomgibara> I think the problem lay with the structure of the voting
May 17 00:07:21 <morrildl> (someone on the forum, I mean.  I forget who)
May 17 00:07:30 <duey> also being judged by more than one person from the same company
May 17 00:07:32 <rhett> the 2 judges I know are software guys
May 17 00:07:35 <duey> i think thas a problem
May 17 00:07:46 <tomgibara> I think it was right that every judge gets to make their own judgement
May 17 00:08:02 <tomgibara> but I think that the lack of any 'committee' was a weakness
May 17 00:08:31 <tomgibara> people learn from each other and can come to better informed opinions in groups
May 17 00:08:53 <tomgibara> One example I've used previously was Locale
May 17 00:09:23 <morrildl> tomgibara: well, each approach has weaknesses.  If we'd put folks into the same room, then we'd be accused of having the judges collude and pick their buddies to win
May 17 00:09:25 <rhett> It seemed to me that of the 50 winning apps, most of them had some geolocation feature, and ours didn't  I felt like maybe those apps scored a little higher in the "makes effective use of android category"
May 17 00:09:41 <tomgibara> Definitely a worthy app, but _I think_ it's central concept (adjusting ring tones based on location) is patented by IBM
May 17 00:09:53 <rhett> even though, i think i would not want all of the apps on my phone to be some geolocation thing
May 17 00:10:08 <tomgibara> One judge knowing that can inform others to adjust their opinions of it
May 17 00:10:23 <tomgibara> Isolating the judges makes for weak judgements
May 17 00:10:32 <morrildl> rhett: that is one of the things that I personally disagreed with, I was surprised to see location stuff float to the top so consistently
May 17 00:11:03 <tomgibara> I've only come to that conclusion after giving it some thought, I wouldn't say Google made any obvious bad choices (perhaps just inobvious ones :)
May 17 00:11:08 <rhett> oh, you noticed location stuff getting favored a little more too by the judges, morrildl ?
May 17 00:11:28 <morrildl> rhett: well, a high percentage of apps did use it than not
May 17 00:11:43 <duey> maybe you should put each app in categories and select apps from each category
May 17 00:11:52 <morrildl> so on one level it's natural that so many would win -- they were well-represented across the board
May 17 00:12:10 <morrildl> duey: well, how do you classify GolfPlay?
May 17 00:12:16 <morrildl> is that a utility, or an LBS app?
May 17 00:12:19 <duey> hmm
May 17 00:12:23 <duey> yeah i guess
May 17 00:12:37 <morrildl> What I personally would have done is run it like Hot or Not ;)
May 17 00:12:38 <tomgibara> I was personally disappointed that none of the winners appear to be designed to expose their 'innards' via ContentHandlers and Intents
May 17 00:12:42 <duey> hahaha
May 17 00:12:50 <rhett> did you guys make a choice: golfplay vs teedroid
May 17 00:12:54 <morrildl> GOLFPLAY vs. COOKING CAPSULES:  who wins?
May 17 00:13:00 <morrildl> rhett: what do you mean?
May 17 00:13:01 <Dougie187_> cooking capsules.
May 17 00:13:04 <duey> cooking!
May 17 00:13:11 <morrildl> we didn't touch the results
May 17 00:13:16 <rhett> i guess they weren't compared by the judges?
May 17 00:13:26 <rhett> the teedroid guy seemed to think he wast top100
May 17 00:13:46 <morrildl> yeah, that's just on the other side of the line I can't cross :)
May 17 00:13:56 <morrildl> I can't comment on specific apps
May 17 00:14:17 <morrildl> I'm sure a lot of people do think their apps should have been in the top 100.  We have empirical evidence of that on the forum ;)
May 17 00:14:26 <duey> haha
May 17 00:14:38 <morrildl> also, a LOT of apps didn't run or crashed on startup
May 17 00:14:58 <duey> everyone is biased on there own app
May 17 00:15:05 <duey> im sure everyone thought they were top 100
May 17 00:15:06 <morrildl> and I have verified that at least some of those who are complaining about not getting reviewed actually crash on startup
May 17 00:15:43 <morrildl> One app I saw actually lets you skip the login screen by hitting Back
May 17 00:15:51 <morrildl> so you actually CAN review it without logging in or hitting the net
May 17 00:16:01 <morrildl> But I can't really go on the forum and counter people with that ;)
May 17 00:16:09 <morrildl> it's my word against theirs, etc.
May 17 00:16:32 <duey> lol
May 17 00:16:36 <tomgibara> morrildl: another piece of info that would have been nice was a std. dev. for the ratings across judges - to see the level of agreement
May 17 00:16:50 <morrildl> and in the end we had 119 humans judging apps, and I'm sure some of those humans are sad-sacks who probably WERE lazy -- but that's why we had multiple people judge
May 17 00:16:53 <rhett> we haven't recieved any contact from the judges about our app
May 17 00:16:56 <morrildl> tomgibara: hmm, interesting
May 17 00:17:09 <duey> lol rhett
May 17 00:17:16 <morrildl> tomgibara: I'll check into whether we can release statistics in the aggregate like that
May 17 00:17:33 <rhett> duey, didn't that form says that some judges want to contact app writers or something?
May 17 00:17:34 <morrildl> maybe average + stddev across the board, and maybe within each quartile or something
May 17 00:18:04 <duey> rhett, yeah but im not keeping my hopes up
May 17 00:18:06 <tomgibara> morrildl: might want to be careful and shove the variance into quartiles like the ranks, just in case some people get too clever
May 17 00:18:36 <duey> one of the most cool apps i have seen is the calculator
May 17 00:19:13 <tomgibara> I think that the handycalc application is great
May 17 00:19:19 <duey> yeha
May 17 00:19:20 <duey> that one
May 17 00:19:38 <tomgibara> I think it deserved a top 50 place
May 17 00:19:43 <duey> definately
May 17 00:20:02 <duey> but i suspect judges are biased towards those sorts of things
May 17 00:20:09 <tomgibara> I have the emulator open so much that I might try using it as my calculator
May 17 00:20:13 <duey> they are simple but very rarely such well done
May 17 00:20:28 <tomgibara> instead of using google's auto complete in firefox :o
May 17 00:20:33 <morrildl> I can only tell you that I wailed in despair at #51
May 17 00:20:51 <tomgibara> morrildl: ...and we'll never know
May 17 00:20:57 <morrildl> tomgibara: yup :(
May 17 00:20:57 <tomgibara> you carry that burden alone
May 17 00:21:00 <duey> being #51 would suck very much
May 17 00:21:10 <morrildl> that's why I will by no means tell that person :)
May 17 00:21:12 <SpiceKitty> when are the results due?
May 17 00:21:15 <rhett> even though our app lost, I think the contest was run very fairly and in an organized way.  I especially like how the judging process was explained ahead of time.
May 17 00:21:20 <jasta> yawn
May 17 00:21:35 <duey> SpiceKitty, ??
May 17 00:21:49 <SpiceKitty> they are already out?
May 17 00:21:54 <duey> uh yeah
May 17 00:21:58 <Dougie187_> are the judges posted yet?
May 17 00:22:00 <tomgibara> Am I the only person who uses the google search bar in firefox as their primary calculator?
May 17 00:22:04 <duey> yes
May 17 00:22:08 <romainguy_> yes
May 17 00:22:11 <Dougie187_> ohhh
May 17 00:22:12 <duey> tomgibara, i use it
May 17 00:22:14 <Dougie187_> time to go a hunting
May 17 00:22:16 <romainguy_> no then :)
May 17 00:22:17 * morrildl uses python as his calculator
May 17 00:22:17 <duey> everyday
May 17 00:22:21 <romainguy_> morrildl: me too :))
May 17 00:22:35 <jasta> hehe, i use perl mostly
May 17 00:22:39 <Dougie187_> where are the judges posted?
May 17 00:22:40 <jasta> and bash occassionally
May 17 00:22:50 <tomgibara> I actually used fink for a while
May 17 00:22:54 <duey> on the website somewhere
May 17 00:22:59 <tomgibara> just got out of the habit
May 17 00:23:04 <Dougie187_> i see that they dont have the list finalized yet
May 17 00:23:08 <jasta> a little known fact is that $((expr)) will evaluate basic arithmetic.
May 17 00:23:40 <Dougie187_> jasta does that do FP arithmetic too?
May 17 00:23:48 <jasta> Dougie187_: no
May 17 00:23:54 <Dougie187_> only integer right?
May 17 00:23:58 <romainguy_> sometimes I try to use bc
May 17 00:24:07 <Dougie187_> bc is kind of a pain.
May 17 00:24:17 <romainguy_> yes it is
May 17 00:24:17 <Dougie187_> but thats what i use in bash scripts.
May 17 00:24:27 <jasta> when i really care to do something, i use octave.
May 17 00:24:34 <Dougie187_> VAL=`echo "2.1 + 3.5" | bc`
May 17 00:24:53 <tomgibara> fink -> frink
May 17 00:24:53 <jasta> i hate that `` syntax
May 17 00:25:01 <Dougie187_> heh.
May 17 00:25:05 <Dougie187_> i got use to the `` syntax
May 17 00:25:05 <jasta> $(...) is better
May 17 00:25:10 <Dougie187_> yeah that is
May 17 00:25:16 <Dougie187_> i didnt know $(...) would work though
May 17 00:25:22 <Dougie187_> so i always used ``
May 17 00:25:32 <Dougie187_> my next script i will try $(...)
May 17 00:25:38 <jasta> it is exactly the same as ``.
May 17 00:25:49 <Dougie187_> thats cool
May 17 00:25:56 <jasta> also, in perl, you should use qx{} ;)
May 17 00:26:03 <Dougie187_> i dont know perl
May 17 00:26:19 <Dougie187_> i use bash primarily.
May 17 00:26:28 <Dougie187_> i know some php but only for webpages.
May 17 00:26:29 <Dougie187_> lol
May 17 00:26:53 <Dougie187_> i wrote something for apple a while ago actually.
May 17 00:27:06 <Dougie187_> got an ipod for free (not worth it)
May 17 00:29:28 <tomgibara> I donated some code to Nokia recently, they kindly sent me a coffee holder in return.
May 17 00:29:35 <dueynz> lol
May 17 00:29:38 <Dougie187_> nice
May 17 00:29:46 <Dougie187_> is it at least a high quality coffee holder?
May 17 00:30:00 <dueynz> second hand starbucks one?
May 17 00:30:16 <tomgibara> I've never owned one before, I'm not in a position to judge... I don't drink coffee
May 17 00:30:30 <dueynz> treason!
May 17 00:30:33 <Dougie187_> me either
May 17 00:30:41 <Dougie187_> i think i would burn it though.
May 17 00:31:09 <tomgibara> I should say, not frequently - I'm english and drink tea, which I find far more refreshing
May 17 00:31:21 <Dougie187_> i cant drink tea or coffee
May 17 00:33:04 <tomgibara> goodnight people
May 17 00:33:11 <Dougie187_> night
May 17 00:35:02 <rhett> i dunno romainguy_ , I spent $1k on a speedy linux machine, and these mac pro's start at $3k
May 17 00:35:18 <rhett> i could get a used slower one on ebay for maybe $2k
May 17 00:35:45 <dueynz> buy an imac?
May 17 00:36:03 <rhett> i alread have lcs
May 17 00:36:05 <rhett> lcds
May 17 00:36:28 <dueynz> macmini?
May 17 00:36:37 <dueynz> i guess it depends what you need to do
May 17 00:36:49 <dueynz> i really wish apple would create monitor-less imac spec'd machines
May 17 00:36:51 <rhett> i wonder if i could put a raptor in a mac mini
May 17 00:37:02 <dueynz> its the same insides an a macbook
May 17 00:37:11 <dueynz> small hd size too
May 17 00:37:12 <rhett> oh
May 17 00:37:39 <rhett> yeah, i think ebay'ed mac pro is my only option
May 17 00:38:23 <rhett> or i can keep using banshee, kino, f-spot
May 17 00:52:45 <jasta> sigh, i give up
May 17 00:52:51 <jasta> i can't make myself not sound like a dork
May 17 00:52:54 <jasta> i'll just upload it as is ;)
May 17 01:00:26 <trigatch4> holler!
May 17 01:00:46 <trigatch4> anybody have any more info on this percentile stuff?
May 17 01:01:36 <jasta> what more info do you need?
May 17 01:05:50 <morrildl> yeah, we misused the word "percentile"
May 17 01:05:59 <morrildl> one of those "wordsmithing by committee" things
May 17 01:06:06 <morrildl> A clarification message is coming, watch the discussion group.
May 17 01:06:09 <jasta> you did?
May 17 01:06:10 <trigatch4> nevermind, just read the google groups thread on it
May 17 01:06:42 <jasta> morrildl: http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/f3fa04ff3a0db12e -- this guy's explanation is how i understand it as well.
May 17 01:06:46 <jasta> are you saying that is not how google meant it?
May 17 01:07:43 <morrildl> I am not sure, because I am not 100% sure what he mapped to 50th - 7th
May 17 01:07:43 <dueynz> nice my app scored well
May 17 01:07:49 <jasta> dueynz: what did you get?
May 17 01:07:56 <morrildl> basically, the top 25% and bottom 25% are accurate
May 17 01:08:14 <dueynz> there was just a message posted by david m
May 17 01:08:18 <morrildl> but we said "25th - 50th percentile" where we meant "the quartile below the top quartile" which is actually the 50th - 74th percentile
May 17 01:08:19 <dueynz> which clarifies it all
May 17 01:08:55 <trigatch4> so the 2 interior percentiles 25-50 and 50-75 should be flip-flopped in their rankings?
May 17 01:09:14 <dueynz> jasta, effectiveu se: 25-50, polish: 25-50, indispensability: 25-50, originality: top 25
May 17 01:09:15 <morrildl> trigatch4: Whether they need to be flip-flopped depends on how you read them in the first place
May 17 01:09:26 <jasta> dueynz: I was top 25 in all categories.
May 17 01:09:29 <trigatch4> fair enough
May 17 01:09:31 <dueynz> nice
May 17 01:09:35 <morrildl> trigatch4: through a strict technical interpretation, yes.
May 17 01:10:37 <jasta> but actually, top 25 does not mean much.
May 17 01:10:57 <jasta> think about it, the top 2.8% were winners.
May 17 01:11:07 <jasta> you could have had hundreds of people in front of you to win :)
May 17 01:11:21 <jasta> so this is only broadly discouraging.  not encouraging.
May 17 01:11:28 <dueynz> or you could be #51
May 17 01:11:34 <morrildl> okay, I'm out for the day
May 17 01:11:37 <morrildl> later, all
May 17 01:11:46 <dueynz> cya
May 17 01:14:02 <jasta> what the fuck.  audio was desynced on my demo video when i uploaded it
May 17 01:14:09 <jasta> man, i just can't win
May 17 01:14:18 <dueynz> :(
May 17 01:15:00 <jasta> it got desynched when i converted from ogg to mpeg
May 17 01:15:00 <jasta> hmm
May 17 01:44:23 <jasta> so....
May 17 01:44:27 <jasta> http://vimeo.com/1024706
May 17 01:44:39 <jasta> let me know what you think.  i might do a little more editing.
May 17 02:01:43 <Dougie187> and i have returned
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