**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 04 02:59:57 2008
Jun 04 04:04:11 <_Codeman_> Where is Android available?
Jun 04 04:05:29 <jasta> nowhere.
Jun 04 04:05:38 <duey> my house
Jun 04 04:05:47 <jasta> he means his pants :)
Jun 04 04:06:18 <duey> I was refering to my android obviously!
Jun 04 04:06:45 <duey> writing about ethics is so fun
Jun 04 04:07:04 <duey> quick survey: is this ethical?:
Jun 04 04:07:29 <duey> running javascript on websites which computes a solution to a problem without the user knowing
Jun 04 04:53:23 <jerkface03> does anyone know if a standard bt chipset on any cellphone/dongle can support connecting and communicating with more than 1 bt device at once?
Jun 04 04:53:43 <jerkface03> for example could you be using a bt headset and syncing your contacts with your pc using bt at the same time?
Jun 04 05:16:34 <jasta> jerkface03: i believe that is typically possible, but i cannot confirm
Jun 04 05:22:06 <jerkface03> hrm
Jun 04 05:22:06 <jerkface03> k
Jun 04 05:22:07 <jerkface03> thx
Jun 04 06:37:33 * cutmasta is away (away)
Jun 04 13:46:00 <zhobbs_> I just wasn't meant to be a blogger...I met some pros at IO with cameras and laptops and crap...I'm just now posting stuff about IO
Jun 04 13:47:01 <buster_> haha
Jun 04 13:47:56 <buster_> i set up a blog some time ago. it gets updated every year with some random stuff
Jun 04 13:48:50 <zhobbs_> I talked to the guy from AndroidCommunity.com and he's a pro (literally)
Jun 04 13:49:01 <zhobbs_> he runs SlashGear.com and a ton of other sites
Jun 04 13:49:43 <zhobbs_> he videotaped just about everything and has it on youtube almost instantly
Jun 04 13:50:41 <zhobbs_> myself on the other hand brought a dead camera, took a day to charge it and then only took one pic
Jun 04 13:51:36 <buster_> :D
Jun 04 14:09:06 <gambler> oh god. i hate choosing what libraries to use. should I use javax.crypto or bouncycastle or a 3rd choice for my android app
Jun 04 14:09:41 <gambler> need to do PKCS7 digisig type things..
Jun 04 14:16:45 <dims> gambler: bc's the best bet
Jun 04 14:16:49 <dims> (IMHO)
Jun 04 14:17:17 <gambler> dims, can u elaborate why
Jun 04 14:18:13 <gambler> have experience in other langs but im a java newbie ..
Jun 04 14:18:32 <gambler> seems like i should use the std lib for an embeddd app
Jun 04 14:18:39 <gambler> if that possible
Jun 04 14:19:55 <dims> android internally used BC
Jun 04 14:19:59 <dims> android internally uses BC
Jun 04 14:20:28 <dims> source is available, forums to get help as well
Jun 04 14:20:49 <gambler> ah well that is an excellent reason
Jun 04 14:22:27 <dims> having said that javax.crypto may be convenient
Jun 04 14:22:53 <dims> if you get it working quickly...
Jun 04 14:23:21 <gambler> im not even clear on the whole JCE/JCA thing. basically you have to import com.sun.crypto.provider.SunJCE ...is that it?
Jun 04 14:24:29 <dims> gambler: no, you should not have to..
Jun 04 15:20:49 <cutmasta> by all
Jun 04 15:20:54 * cutmasta is away (away)
Jun 04 15:38:55 <jasta> wooo
Jun 04 15:38:59 <jasta> i mean, yawn
Jun 04 15:38:59 <jasta> :)
Jun 04 15:43:23 <jasta> morrildl: well, what was the result of yesterday's heckling? :)
Jun 04 17:40:49 * cutmasta is away (away)
Jun 04 17:57:54 <jasta> hmm, firefox3 fucked up my print stylesheets :(
Jun 04 17:58:38 <wastrel> web design is hard
Jun 04 19:24:37 <jasta> i regret not making a fuss about the next SDK during the Android Q&A
Jun 04 19:24:52 <jasta> ugh
Jun 04 19:24:59 <muthu> jasta: you did ask about that?
Jun 04 19:25:06 <jasta> not during the Q&A
Jun 04 19:25:15 <muthu> oh yeah, that was a chance
Jun 04 19:26:06 <jasta> i knew they wouldn't have an answer for me, but it would have been a good forum to complain openly
Jun 04 19:26:29 <muthu> that was the time to ask
Jun 04 19:27:01 <jasta> though i don't think it would have made a difference.
Jun 04 19:27:06 <jasta> i'm starting to get the sense that Andy is just a prick :)
Jun 04 19:27:15 <muthu> oh oh
Jun 04 19:27:25 <muthu> he seems to be a nice guy
Jun 04 19:27:41 <jasta> talked to Dan yesterday and he confirmed that basically the forum when he says he's gonna "find out" about something is that he asks Andy
Jun 04 19:27:46 <jasta> and if Andy says buzz off, he does.
Jun 04 19:28:08 <jasta> So, from that we can reason that Andy is at the least highest authority we know of that is denying the open source community a reasonable answer.
Jun 04 19:28:53 <muthu> it would be a company decision
Jun 04 19:29:21 <jasta> i doubt that the strategy is managed to that level.
Jun 04 19:29:55 <jasta> though i don't believe that Andy is even in charge of the strategy, I think he is certainly a reasonable person to authorize public statements.
Jun 04 19:30:15 <muthu> he's the android head right?
Jun 04 19:30:16 <jasta> and he is at least the highest authority that we have indirect access to.
Jun 04 19:30:42 <jasta> i'd prefer Dan to give us more information as to where this nonsense is coming from so that we can address those people directly.
Jun 04 19:30:58 <jasta> yet another example of where this project fails greatly at openness...we don't even know who's who.
Jun 04 19:31:47 <jasta> But I bet Andy at least is responsible for the lack of public statement on the issue.
Jun 04 19:32:14 <muthu> they have some things to sort out
Jun 04 19:32:18 <muthu> but am sure they will soon
Jun 04 19:32:53 <jasta> what gives you that assurance?
Jun 04 19:33:21 <jasta> i have assumed the opposite, and that they would simply hurry this process along to release the next SDK.  but not making any statement in the interim as to why it took so long to come out.
Jun 04 19:33:45 <jasta> i believe that harrassing Dan is causing questions to be asked up the chain, but those questions clearly are not receiving positive answers.
Jun 04 19:36:22 <zhobbs_> I was impressed with Andy...I thought he was completely non-technical but he seemed to have some knowledge on technical happenings
Jun 04 19:37:13 <muthu> he was answering and very receptive
Jun 04 19:37:16 <muthu> to everyone
Jun 04 19:37:42 <muthu> had a nice attitude
Jun 04 19:38:53 <jasta> Did you guys attend the same conference as me?
Jun 04 19:39:54 <dmoffett> lol
Jun 04 19:39:55 <jasta> much of what I remember from Andy fielding questions was side-stepping.  And the guy in the middle, whose name escapes me.
Jun 04 19:40:24 <muthu> i'm not saying he had direct answers to everything
Jun 04 19:44:09 <muthu> was very impressed with dan though
Jun 04 19:45:44 <davidw> jasta, someone (i.e *not me*) ought to put together a timeline of what's gone on
Jun 04 19:46:11 <muthu> davidw: what timeline?
Jun 04 19:46:20 * davidw has been pretty willing to play along... I don't have anything major going on right now where I'm being damaged by not having a new sdk or something
Jun 04 19:46:49 <davidw> but it's bad in community terms (which I think Dan understands just fine)
Jun 04 19:47:01 <muthu> yes
Jun 04 19:47:09 <davidw> someone upstairs doesn't get open source
Jun 04 19:47:15 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 19:47:56 <muthu> went to a pub near fisherman's wharf yesterday
Jun 04 19:48:08 <muthu> they had like 63 kind of beer on tap!
Jun 04 19:49:04 <muthu> lot of pictures of the taps where taken
Jun 04 19:49:18 <muthu> seems like a popular spot
Jun 04 19:52:09 <zhobbs_> cooking capsules is doomed!
Jun 04 19:52:12 <davidw> with rents what they are in SF
Jun 04 19:52:15 <zhobbs_> :)
Jun 04 19:52:18 <davidw> if it's not popular it's out of business
Jun 04 19:52:57 <dmoffett> If you are in DC check out this place for variety.
Jun 04 19:52:59 <dmoffett> http://www.lovethebeer.com/beer-list.html
Jun 04 19:53:21 <muthu> dmoffett: they have this beer magazine
Jun 04 19:53:42 <muthu> and awards and so on.. fascinating
Jun 04 19:53:53 <zhobbs_> dmoffett: that's intense
Jun 04 19:54:03 <muthu> zhobbs_: everyone has to cook now ;)
Jun 04 19:54:06 <dmoffett> Hard to choose.
Jun 04 19:54:35 <muthu> dmoffett: oh man, how many there?
Jun 04 19:54:39 <muthu> 500?
Jun 04 19:54:51 <dmoffett> 1000 I think
Jun 04 19:54:58 <dmoffett> not all on tap though.
Jun 04 19:55:03 <muthu> wow
Jun 04 19:55:12 <zhobbs_> I did one of those "drink all our beers and get a plaque and t-shirt thing" at a local bar...it ended up being too much like a job after a couple months :)
Jun 04 19:55:24 <zhobbs_> still finished it off though
Jun 04 19:55:28 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 19:55:36 <muthu> how long you took?
Jun 04 19:56:03 <zhobbs_> like 4 months, 100 beers I think
Jun 04 19:56:18 <muthu> lol
Jun 04 19:56:31 <muthu> not bad, 1 beer a day
Jun 04 19:56:37 <zhobbs_> sucks when you get a beer you don't like
Jun 04 19:56:53 <muthu> but you get a tshirt :0
Jun 04 19:57:08 <muthu> :)
Jun 04 19:57:14 <zhobbs_> yep, and my name is misspelled on the plaque :)
Jun 04 19:57:33 <dmoffett> this place in Denver for those Scotch lovers.
Jun 04 19:57:36 <dmoffett> http://www.pintspub.com/WhiskyList.pdf
Jun 04 19:57:38 <muthu> good, after marriage you can claim its not you
Jun 04 19:58:15 <dmoffett> http://www.pintspub.com
Jun 04 19:58:29 <muthu> dmoffett: the alcohol varieties in US is mind blowing
Jun 04 19:59:36 <zhobbs_> the american dream
Jun 04 20:01:58 <dmoffett> muthu: how ever it seems the good stuff comes from over seas.
Jun 04 20:03:01 <zhobbs_> there's some good microbrew in the states
Jun 04 20:03:24 <zhobbs_> I thought that a micro-still pub would be awesome
Jun 04 20:03:37 <zhobbs_> there may be legal probs with that though
Jun 04 20:04:09 <dmoffett> that would be very cool.
Jun 04 20:04:49 <dmoffett> While in high school I worked for a farmer who ran a still.
Jun 04 20:04:53 <zhobbs_> yeah, would be a good gimick because it's rare
Jun 04 20:05:13 <zhobbs_> I used to brew beer a lot...and have been thinking about getting a still
Jun 04 20:05:19 <zhobbs_> (though it's illegal)
Jun 04 20:05:35 <dmoffett> That stuff would curl your hair.
Jun 04 20:05:43 <zhobbs_> well, it's not illegal to have a still, just to use it for ethanol
Jun 04 20:05:53 <dmoffett> I think if you don't try to sell you can have a still of a certain size.
Jun 04 20:06:02 <zhobbs_> I'd like to make some good gin
Jun 04 20:06:20 <muthu> what's a still?
Jun 04 20:06:48 <zhobbs_> muthu: used to distill alcohol out of a liquid
Jun 04 20:06:50 <dmoffett> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still
Jun 04 20:06:55 <muthu> ok
Jun 04 20:07:21 <muthu> zhobbs_: you brew your own beer?
Jun 04 20:07:24 <zhobbs_> so you basically make uncarbinated beer and then remove the alcohol
Jun 04 20:07:27 <zhobbs_> used to
Jun 04 20:07:38 <zhobbs_> it's legal to make 200 gal a year
Jun 04 20:07:44 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 20:07:51 <muthu> is it easy to make?
Jun 04 20:08:10 <zhobbs_> not too bad, a lot of work though
Jun 04 20:08:23 <muthu> is it worth it?
Jun 04 20:08:41 <zhobbs_> maybe...
Jun 04 20:09:00 <zhobbs_> it's kinda fun to brew it then go trade beers at local homebrew meets and stuff
Jun 04 20:09:12 <muthu> right
Jun 04 20:09:21 <zhobbs_> but it's a lot of work
Jun 04 20:09:26 <dmoffett> you can take short cuts like using a car radiator but then you get lead poising which explains a lot of West Virginia.  :-)
Jun 04 20:09:33 <zhobbs_> haha
Jun 04 20:09:40 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 20:09:50 <dmoffett> or is that in breeding?
Jun 04 20:10:05 <dmoffett> probably both.
Jun 04 20:10:12 <muthu> the belgian beers are good
Jun 04 20:10:27 <jasta> the tap house in seattle has like 200 on tap i think
Jun 04 20:10:40 <jasta> 160
Jun 04 20:10:42 <jasta> still, a lot.
Jun 04 20:10:53 <muthu> jasta: your favorite beer?
Jun 04 20:11:01 <dmoffett> Guiness is still tops imo.
Jun 04 20:11:13 <muthu> guiness is good for a 4th beer
Jun 04 20:11:19 <jasta> muthu: Mac & Jack's, it's a Pacific Northwest microbrew.
Jun 04 20:11:33 <jasta> probably not available in SF.
Jun 04 20:11:39 <muthu> should be
Jun 04 20:11:45 <dmoffett> Jasta: What kind of beer is in?
Jun 04 20:11:48 <jasta> I doubt it, CA is not considered the pacific northwest.
Jun 04 20:11:49 <dmoffett> it.
Jun 04 20:11:53 <jasta> basically because it's not northwest ;)
Jun 04 20:11:58 <jasta> dmoffett: Amber
Jun 04 20:12:02 <dmoffett> nice
Jun 04 20:12:06 <muthu> you have all kind of stuff in SF
Jun 04 20:12:20 <jasta> muthu: yes, but it is a microbrew specific to the northwest, so again, probably not there :)
Jun 04 20:12:31 <muthu> amber is usually bitter, right?
Jun 04 20:12:34 <jasta> i haven't seen it anywhere other than WA and OR.
Jun 04 20:12:46 <jasta> i wouldn't describe amber as bitter, but maybe others would.
Jun 04 20:13:45 <zhobbs_> muthu: best thing about brewing beer is smelling/tasting some of the individual ingredients in beer (different hops, barley, etc), and that helps you pick out those tastes in beer much better
Jun 04 20:14:07 <jasta> Guinness is good, but it is sort of for a different occassion, I think.
Jun 04 20:14:18 <muthu> zhobbs_:  what's the major ingredient?
Jun 04 20:14:38 <muthu> jasta: guinness is good for what?
Jun 04 20:15:03 <jasta> casually drinking with friends, without the intention of getting tipsy or drunk
Jun 04 20:15:31 <jasta> generally not good with dinner, either.  better before dinner, like an appetizer :)
Jun 04 20:15:46 <muthu> oh ok
Jun 04 20:15:53 <muthu> then its for me :0
Jun 04 20:15:55 <muthu> :)
Jun 04 20:16:05 <jasta> it's a very dark beer, you know that right?
Jun 04 20:16:17 <muthu> i drank it, yeah i know
Jun 04 20:16:24 <muthu> it looked dark & bitter
Jun 04 20:17:13 <zhobbs_> muthu: hops are very distinguishable in lots of beer and give it the bitter or aroma, and barley gives it the color and maltiness
Jun 04 20:18:08 <zhobbs_> muthu: for example, guinness has really dark roast barley so it's dark...and there is very little hop flavor
Jun 04 20:19:04 <muthu> oh that's what hops are huh
Jun 04 20:19:28 <zhobbs_> you tried any IPA's?
Jun 04 20:19:42 <muthu> what's that?
Jun 04 20:19:55 <zhobbs_> India Pale Ale, usually extremely hoppy
Jun 04 20:20:09 <muthu> we have kingfisher beer
Jun 04 20:20:14 <muthu> that all over india drinks
Jun 04 20:20:25 <muthu> its lager i guess
Jun 04 20:21:12 <muthu> wonder how you folks pick 1 out of 1000?
Jun 04 20:21:33 <jasta> you mean how we can distinguish one beer from another?
Jun 04 20:21:50 <muthu> yeah, how you pick something to drink out of all these varieties
Jun 04 20:22:05 <jasta> well, to me, most beer tastes gross.
Jun 04 20:22:26 <jasta> the remaining ones that don't taste gross, i like and drink :)
Jun 04 20:22:57 <jasta> i typically avoid wheaty beers, lagers and stouts (though Guinness is an exception), and light, watery beers.
Jun 04 20:23:02 <jasta> which leaves, generally, ambers ;)
Jun 04 20:23:14 * davidw prefers wine
Jun 04 20:23:32 <jasta> muthu: Fat Tire you can find all over the states, and that is a somewhat close approximation to Mac & Jack's.  If you're curious.
Jun 04 20:23:40 <muthu> oh yes
Jun 04 20:23:44 <jasta> i say somewhat because it's not as good, but the same basic style.
Jun 04 20:23:54 <muthu> there's a lot of fat tire signs
Jun 04 20:24:17 <muthu> there's a german beer festival for the weekend
Jun 04 20:24:28 <muthu> should be good!
Jun 04 20:25:16 <jasta> my dad told me once: never trust a man that doesn't like beer.
Jun 04 20:25:17 <jasta> ;)
Jun 04 20:25:22 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 20:25:24 <muthu> agree
Jun 04 20:25:35 <muthu> did obama win?
Jun 04 20:25:45 <jasta> the nomination, yes.
Jun 04 20:25:47 <jasta> not the election
Jun 04 20:26:02 <muthu> yeah the nomination,, is it final?
Jun 04 20:26:07 <dmoffett> Beer + Politics = Fight.
Jun 04 20:26:11 <muthu> lol
Jun 04 20:26:29 <jasta> you know, geeks just don't have the same triggers as everyone else
Jun 04 20:26:39 <jasta> choice of editor and programming language?  now that will get heated.
Jun 04 20:26:45 <dmoffett> yep
Jun 04 20:26:58 <jasta> btw, it's Vim and C.  if you disagree, i will hit you with a chair :)
Jun 04 20:26:58 <dmoffett> We all know emacs is the only way to go.  :-)
Jun 04 20:27:21 <muthu> there's eclipse, netbeans, idea
Jun 04 20:27:27 <muthu> the new generation IDE's
Jun 04 20:28:05 <jasta> but they don't count
Jun 04 20:29:55 <dmoffett> Damn I expected a lot of abuse.  :-)
Jun 04 20:32:19 <jasta> dmoffett: I have scheduled you for a beating next time i see you.
Jun 04 20:32:22 <zhobbs_> dmoffett: I'm an emacs man, so no complaint here
Jun 04 20:32:22 <jasta> Don't worry :)
Jun 04 20:32:32 <zhobbs_> dmoffett: you where at IO right?
Jun 04 20:32:41 <dmoffett> I think you better let me get a bit older.
Jun 04 20:32:50 <dmoffett> yes
Jun 04 20:33:27 <dmoffett> like maybe 20 years.
Jun 04 20:33:39 <zhobbs_> how old are you?
Jun 04 20:33:43 <dmoffett> 47
Jun 04 20:33:47 <jasta> in 20 years i'd feel bad hitting you.
Jun 04 20:33:50 <jasta> so, i'll just steal your wallet
Jun 04 20:34:06 <dmoffett> lol
Jun 04 20:34:53 <dmoffett> I am trained in the ancient art of nintendo.
Jun 04 20:35:34 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 20:42:11 <davidw> Emacs
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 04 21:28:31 2008
Jun 04 21:53:10 <muthu> new article in HA
Jun 04 21:53:21 <muthu> after a very long time
Jun 04 21:53:30 <muthu> zhobbs: you writing again ;)
Jun 04 21:59:47 <jasta> zhobbs: can you update my link to http://five.googlecode.com :)
Jun 04 22:34:24 <zhobbs> muthu: I still remember how to write
Jun 04 22:34:34 <zhobbs> i rite good
Jun 04 22:34:53 <duey> my england is the best
Jun 04 22:35:30 <zhobbs> jasta: your link in that story or on your app's page?
Jun 04 22:37:04 <zhobbs> changed on your app's page, I'll change in story if that's what you were talking about
Jun 04 22:37:22 <muthu> zhobbs: that's his new link
Jun 04 22:41:45 <zhobbs> they need something like this for coders:
Jun 04 22:41:46 <zhobbs> http://readatwork.com/
Jun 04 22:42:06 <zhobbs> they need one that takes ebooks and makes it look like source code or something
Jun 04 22:43:09 <muthu> then you can basically write in a book
Jun 04 22:43:18 <muthu> we can submit a novel for ADC!
Jun 04 22:44:04 <zhobbs> yeah, turn in a novel for cooking capsules
Jun 04 22:44:10 <zhobbs> helps my odds
Jun 04 22:44:30 <jasta> zhobbs: no, i meant in the app db
Jun 04 22:44:36 <jasta> i dont care if you link internally to helloandroid
Jun 04 22:44:47 <zhobbs> ok, that's fixed
Jun 04 22:44:50 <muthu> zhobbs: a cookbook for cc :)
Jun 04 22:45:26 <muthu> cooking and media player can coexist
Jun 04 22:45:31 <muthu> no conflicts there
Jun 04 22:46:04 <muthu> i knew a mediaplayer will win, but thought it would be jasta
Jun 04 22:46:23 <jasta> zhobbs hoped otherwise ;)
Jun 04 22:46:28 <muthu> but then you came in the final stretch from nowhere and annonced tunewiki
Jun 04 22:46:47 <jasta> TuneWiki was public all along, muthu
Jun 04 22:46:50 <zhobbs> I wouldn't care if Five won, just as long as TuneWiki was in there too
Jun 04 22:46:54 <muthu> i didn't know zhobbs was working on tunewiki
Jun 04 22:46:57 <jasta> in fact, it already exists for the iPhone, and did all along.
Jun 04 22:47:07 <muthu> yeah, but zhobbs kept it a secret
Jun 04 22:47:14 <zhobbs> did i?
Jun 04 22:47:16 <jasta> he did?
Jun 04 22:47:32 <muthu> zhobbs: you said you were working on 2 apps
Jun 04 22:47:33 <zhobbs> no, I said openly I was working on a media player
Jun 04 22:47:50 <muthu> hmmm
Jun 04 22:47:54 <jasta> i remember talking with zhobbs here about his media player at least a month before the deadline
Jun 04 22:47:57 <zhobbs> at least I talked about it with jasta, because we had some of the same probs
Jun 04 22:48:08 <muthu> ok, i must have missed
Jun 04 22:48:12 <zhobbs> the accuweather app I kept a little quieter I though
Jun 04 22:48:14 <zhobbs> thought
Jun 04 22:48:27 <jasta> zhobbs: btw, chad and that other guy are assholes ;)
Jun 04 22:48:35 <muthu> who's chad?
Jun 04 22:48:38 <zhobbs> ha
Jun 04 22:48:43 <muthu> oh tunewiki folks
Jun 04 22:48:48 <zhobbs> yah
Jun 04 22:49:05 <zhobbs> I get along with all the tunewiki guys...we had a lot of fun out there
Jun 04 22:49:20 <muthu> hey you had a tunewiki party?
Jun 04 22:49:26 <zhobbs> not really
Jun 04 22:49:32 <muthu> ok
Jun 04 22:51:12 <jasta> i met them all at I/O during the after hours thing and frankly, they were less than polite :)
Jun 04 22:51:25 <jasta> not tha ti care, but i was a bit surprised.
Jun 04 22:51:41 <muthu> what they did?
Jun 04 22:51:57 <zhobbs> well, I think they took it personally when you came down on chad that one day...and that's understandable
Jun 04 22:52:25 <muthu> was it during the party?
Jun 04 22:52:32 <zhobbs> yeah, the google party
Jun 04 22:53:07 <muthu> did jasta say something to chad?
Jun 04 22:53:37 <zhobbs> he told chad that he creeped him out or something
Jun 04 22:53:59 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 22:54:11 <muthu> jasta: then why are you surprised?
Jun 04 22:54:33 <jasta> zhobbs: Well actually, Chad asked me why I wasn't taking him seriously.
Jun 04 22:54:43 <jasta> And I responded initially with other more professional reasons.
Jun 04 22:54:46 <jasta> But he kept pressing the issue.
Jun 04 22:55:03 <zhobbs> did you ever straight up say no before that point?
Jun 04 22:55:08 <jasta> So, I decided he would not stop unless I explained myself, side-stepping professionalism.
Jun 04 22:55:15 <jasta> zhobbs: Yes, quite a few times.
Jun 04 22:55:19 <jasta> In fact, I had said no the day before.
Jun 04 22:55:34 <jasta> And that is when he started becoming most aggressive.
Jun 04 22:55:39 <jasta> Which, I find creepy.
Jun 04 22:55:51 <jasta> Perhaps you did not see this because you said "yes" :)
Jun 04 22:56:27 <jasta> But why others working for him would take personal offense to a dialog that did not concern me is, ...not understandable.
Jun 04 22:56:48 <muthu> they were being loyal i guess
Jun 04 22:57:25 <jasta> Loyal to him personally?  Do they hate the girlfriends that broke his heart too? :)
Jun 04 22:57:31 <muthu> lol
Jun 04 22:57:43 <muthu> or may be you pissed off everyone
Jun 04 22:58:06 <jasta> Maybe.  But I believe my arguments made perfect sense.  His unwillingness to accept them did not.
Jun 04 22:58:44 <jasta> Ultimately, I refused on the grounds that I prefer my application, and at least one music player in particular, be open source.
Jun 04 22:58:56 <zhobbs> which is fine
Jun 04 22:59:03 <jasta> He took that to mean that I was "against making money", his words exactly, despite my current and previous gainful employment as a software engineer.
Jun 04 22:59:20 <jasta> One of the members of TuneWiki reiterated that unusual, illogical conclusion at I/O, too.
Jun 04 22:59:21 <zhobbs> we've asked others who were not interested and there wasn't any problems
Jun 04 22:59:45 <muthu> what did you ask jasta?
Jun 04 22:59:51 <muthu> to join your team?
Jun 04 22:59:53 <zhobbs> yeah
Jun 04 22:59:59 <muthu> oh ok
Jun 04 22:59:59 <jasta> I didn't ask to join their team.
Jun 04 23:00:08 <jasta> Or was that a typo?
Jun 04 23:00:16 <duey> hihihi
Jun 04 23:00:19 <muthu> jasta: it was for zhobbs
Jun 04 23:00:29 <duey> looks like a bit of a rant
Jun 04 23:00:34 <zhobbs> hehe
Jun 04 23:01:02 <muthu> mornin duey
Jun 04 23:01:06 <duey> hi
Jun 04 23:01:11 <muthu> how is nzzz today?
Jun 04 23:01:21 <duey> cold, sunny and i have a test :(
Jun 04 23:01:23 <jasta> duey: I was just surprised, is all.  Usually folks are not quite so rude within the first 3 seconds of meeting them.
Jun 04 23:01:43 <jasta> Not regarding Chad, mostly the taller, older guy standing next to him, who had not previously interacted with me.
Jun 04 23:01:55 <muthu> what he said?
Jun 04 23:02:11 <zhobbs> haha, muthu loves drama :)
Jun 04 23:02:18 <duey> ad break
Jun 04 23:02:20 <muthu> if you thought he was rude, did you tell him?
Jun 04 23:02:26 <muthu> zhobbs: :)
Jun 04 23:02:28 <jasta> He was just awkwardly reiterating Chad's argument that I was "against making money", and had suggested that I was not employed, nor have I made any significant contributions in the software industry.
Jun 04 23:02:48 <muthu> oh oh
Jun 04 23:02:50 <jasta> muthu: I commented to Zach, and then left.
Jun 04 23:03:21 <muthu> hmm ok
Jun 04 23:03:32 <muthu> you could have told the old guy directly
Jun 04 23:04:25 <jasta> I might have, if not for having the graceful option of having another beer and talking to someone interesting :)
Jun 04 23:04:35 <muthu> haha
Jun 04 23:05:04 <muthu> zhobbs: i missed out on the tunewiki team
Jun 04 23:05:10 <zhobbs> muthu: yeah I know
Jun 04 23:05:18 <zhobbs> not sure how you missed us at the party
Jun 04 23:05:20 <muthu> you could've introduced man!
Jun 04 23:05:34 <muthu> the party was very small for me
Jun 04 23:05:41 <muthu> we have like 10 folks and that's it
Jun 04 23:05:43 <jasta> zhobbs: Did you guys go inside at all?  I noticed a lot of the Android nerds were sitting outside :)
Jun 04 23:06:01 <zhobbs> in the birds of a feather area?
Jun 04 23:06:12 <muthu> what's that about?
Jun 04 23:06:13 <zhobbs> no, we were inside
Jun 04 23:06:15 <jasta> I think that's what it was, right outside the main entrance.
Jun 04 23:06:16 <muthu> i did not go there
Jun 04 23:06:21 <zhobbs> oh
Jun 04 23:06:31 <jasta> Jeffrey was out tehre, and that's where I noticed Zach et al.
Jun 04 23:06:40 <jasta> and a few other folks I recognized, including Dan and Jason.
Jun 04 23:06:56 <zhobbs> yeah, that was the "birds of a feather" area
Jun 04 23:07:04 <muthu> i somehow thought that's a boring event
Jun 04 23:07:10 <muthu> and never went there
Jun 04 23:07:10 <zhobbs> no, we were inside...nearer to the stage in anticipation
Jun 04 23:07:28 <jasta> zhobbs: Really?  I didn't meet you guys inside.
Jun 04 23:07:43 <jasta> That was hours into the after party, I thought.
Jun 04 23:07:49 <jasta> I left shortly after that
Jun 04 23:07:57 <zhobbs> we walked out there to say what's up to all the android people, but went back out to the party area after we talked to you
Jun 04 23:08:27 <jasta> I think a bunch of people were out there mostly to talk to Dan, but I dunno why he was out there all night :)
Jun 04 23:08:38 <jasta> I was sick of talking to Dan.  He had nothing new to say :)
Jun 04 23:09:53 <jasta> The after hours thing was sort of lame for me because my friends left.
Jun 04 23:11:14 <muthu> where they went?
Jun 04 23:30:57 <jasta> muthu: Phil went to have dinner with his non-Google friend, and the rest of them went home
Jun 04 23:31:06 <jasta> then I had to leave at 8 to meet my friend, and meet back up with Phil after that
Jun 04 23:31:22 <muthu> oh ojk
Jun 04 23:48:42 <jasta> i just hung out inside having a few beers and shooting pool
Jun 05 00:20:56 <Dougie187> Good evening everyone.
Jun 05 00:21:04 <muthu> evening Dougie187
Jun 05 00:21:27 <Dougie187> hows it going muthu?
Jun 05 00:21:45 <muthu> goin good Dougie187
Jun 05 00:22:11 <Dougie187> nice
Jun 05 00:22:29 <Dougie187> you make it to FIllmore street yet?
Jun 05 00:22:44 <muthu> not yet
Jun 05 00:22:51 <muthu> went to fishermans wharf
Jun 05 00:23:12 <Dougie187> that is pretty cool
Jun 05 00:23:13 <Dougie187> and pier 49?
Jun 05 00:23:15 <muthu> and had 63 beers on tap!
Jun 05 00:23:23 <muthu> next stop probably fillmore
Jun 05 00:23:33 <Dougie187> do you mean you drank all 63 beer? or they had them for sale?
Jun 05 00:23:43 <muthu> haha
Jun 05 00:23:49 <muthu> had a few
Jun 05 00:23:53 <Dougie187> heh
Jun 05 00:23:58 <Dougie187> but not all 63?
Jun 05 00:24:20 <muthu> if they offer for tasting, i might
Jun 05 00:25:28 <Dougie187> im out on the beach today.
Jun 05 00:25:31 <Dougie187> its nice out here
Jun 05 00:25:35 <muthu> florida?
Jun 05 00:25:50 <Dougie187> yeah
Jun 05 00:25:52 <Dougie187> Daytona
Jun 05 00:25:57 <muthu> cool
Jun 05 00:26:17 <Dougie187> yeah
Jun 05 00:26:25 <Dougie187> have you gone to the beach yet?
Jun 05 00:26:42 <muthu> not yet
Jun 05 00:27:32 <muthu> the weather is supposed to get better
Jun 05 00:27:33 <Dougie187> The waters cold out there.
Jun 05 00:27:34 <Dougie187> so look out
Jun 05 00:27:43 <zhobbs> muthu: you have a car?
Jun 05 00:27:52 <muthu> no, bart
Jun 05 00:28:15 <zhobbs> we took a drive up highway 1, it was beautiful
Jun 05 00:28:22 <Dougie187> How do you get to the bart?
Jun 05 00:28:29 <muthu> bus
Jun 05 00:28:37 <muthu> zhobbs: really, i might go
Jun 05 00:28:38 <zhobbs> beaches are flat here, kinda cool with the cliffs, etc
Jun 05 00:28:48 <Dougie187> where are you at zhobbs?
Jun 05 00:28:56 <zhobbs> Cape Canaveral
Jun 05 00:29:07 <Dougie187> oh yeah
Jun 05 00:29:12 <Dougie187> you said that.
Jun 05 00:29:48 <Dougie187> hey let me get that link for you
Jun 05 00:29:51 <Dougie187> for the shuttle launch
Jun 05 00:30:09 <Dougie187> this one is really cool
Jun 05 00:30:10 <Dougie187> http://people.scs.fsu.edu/~shenke/movies/nightlaunch.avi
Jun 05 00:32:30 <Dougie187> man, the ubuntu repos are slow as hell from here
Jun 05 00:33:04 <zhobbs> cool video, night launches are the best
Jun 05 00:34:29 <Dougie187> yeah
Jun 05 00:34:34 <Dougie187> he said that video doesnt even do it justice though
Jun 05 01:04:01 <Dougie187> have we heard anything about the SDK thing yet?
Jun 05 01:40:47 <dmoffett> I don't think we have heard anything yet about the sdk.
Jun 05 02:10:43 <jasta> no, we haven't.
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