**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 05 02:59:57 2008 Jun 05 03:36:13 re Jun 05 09:25:03 hey question Jun 05 09:25:03 if anyone is around Jun 05 09:25:12 HI!!!!!!11 Jun 05 09:25:17 hi Jun 05 09:25:26 so would there be any way i can somehow get android on my smart phone? :P Jun 05 09:25:32 no Jun 05 09:25:35 why? Jun 05 09:25:43 because i said so! Jun 05 09:25:52 ive seen people install linux on their tmobile wing Jun 05 09:25:56 why cant i install android Jun 05 09:26:11 well its only partly opensource atm Jun 05 09:26:29 im sure you will be able to evenutally, just not yet Jun 05 09:26:51 oh good good Jun 05 09:27:11 because in case fo rsome reason i cant afford the HTC Dream I want to be able to say fuck windows mobile Jun 05 10:10:08 topic: "NO, you CANNOT run Android on your phone, nor ANY phone, yet!" Jun 05 11:32:53 Good Morning Jun 05 11:48:51 hows it going zhobbs> Jun 05 13:02:52 * cutmasta is away (away) Jun 05 15:00:21 * cutmasta is away (away) Jun 05 16:50:45 http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/dfe8fc7c10beaf46 Jun 05 16:50:49 muthu, are you serious? :) Jun 05 16:51:16 haha Jun 05 16:51:31 wanted to set some facts straight Jun 05 16:51:49 you don't think people can tell that is spam on their own? for crying out loud the name of the poster is "bill gates" Jun 05 16:52:14 yeah, but why do they think some of my posts are spam Jun 05 16:52:25 you posting about the spam is just as spammy as the spam itself :) Jun 05 16:52:29 hehe Jun 05 16:52:38 see there you go again ;) Jun 05 16:53:08 sometimes i feel i should be like "wally" from the dilbert series Jun 05 16:54:13 brb Jun 05 16:58:26 * cutmasta is away (away) Jun 05 17:05:47 jasta, now you made *me* read the spam too Jun 05 17:06:20 jasta, you writing on IRC about muthu posting about the spam is just as spammy as the spam itself ;-) Jun 05 17:06:42 davidw: good point :) Jun 05 17:06:46 go tell your co-workers about this. we can make a spam chain letter. Jun 05 17:08:34 jasta: how's 5? Jun 05 17:08:48 i haven't worked on it much, of course. Jun 05 17:09:18 i haven't done any Android work since the Apr 14th :) Jun 05 17:11:03 what's the plan for 5? Jun 05 17:14:34 i don't know now. Jun 05 17:14:49 probably to just wait until handset launch, and then get back to work, if i can find the motivation. Jun 05 17:15:14 i'm trying to work in the mean time on a desktop client, specifically as a proof-of-concept rhtyhmbox plugin Jun 05 17:15:21 rhythmbox* Jun 05 17:15:35 but it's not going very fast. i'm very demotivated :) Jun 05 17:15:52 jasta: I need a solution for streaming to work Jun 05 17:16:06 you mean the MediaPlayer? Jun 05 17:16:57 well, I just want to be able to listen to my music from work Jun 05 17:17:10 I was going to look for a web-based solution I think Jun 05 17:17:12 oh, yeah, that's the plan with the desktop client. Jun 05 17:17:25 but i just don't have the same motivation i had a few months ago Jun 05 17:17:28 so it's going very slow Jun 05 17:19:50 might try Jinzora Jun 05 20:05:06 If Android launches near StarCraft 2, the platform is doomed :) Jun 05 20:06:22 why? Jun 05 20:06:38 Because the devs will be playing starcraft 2, duh. Jun 05 20:06:51 oh ok Jun 05 20:07:05 AttractiveApe: had your lunch? Jun 05 20:07:14 Nope. Jun 05 20:07:22 wait, what? Jun 05 20:07:22 what you plan to have? Jun 05 20:07:27 muthu: Jun 05 20:07:39 hmm Jun 05 20:07:41 Who are you? Jun 05 20:07:50 you? Jun 05 20:08:06 i'm an android developer like you Jun 05 20:08:06 No idea muthu, haven't thought about it. Jun 05 20:08:25 where you from? Jun 05 20:08:33 Muthu, from Chennai Jun 05 20:08:35 West coast Canada. Jun 05 20:08:40 What's StarCraft? :-) Jun 05 20:08:40 Founder, http://mobeegal.in Jun 05 20:08:43 AttractiveApe: BC? Jun 05 20:08:50 jasta: yessir Jun 05 20:08:56 dmoffett: you are old :) Jun 05 20:08:57 vancouver? Jun 05 20:09:15 jasta: ding ding ding, winner. Jun 05 20:09:22 i live in Seattle Jun 05 20:09:28 I heard vancouver is awesome Jun 05 20:09:29 a stone's throw ;) Jun 05 20:09:35 AttractiveApe: did you submit an app for adc? Jun 05 20:09:40 it is indeed, jasta Jun 05 20:09:40 Vancouver is cool, but there is one really stupid thing about it. Jun 05 20:09:54 zhobbs_: vancouver is awesome. Jun 05 20:09:57 Kick ass skiing nearby as well. Jun 05 20:10:02 The freeway runs *through* the city. As in, you drive on city streets. With traffic lights everywhere. Jun 05 20:10:03 jasta: what stupid thing? Jun 05 20:10:09 heard vancouver is like SF Jun 05 20:10:36 yeah, I heard the skiing up there is good Jun 05 20:10:39 jasta: No, the freeway misses Vancouver after Burnaby, and you end up in North Van if you still stay on it. Jun 05 20:10:41 It's like they assume Vancouver must be your destination if you've come to Canada ;) Jun 05 20:10:56 jasta: not sure which highway you were taking :/ Jun 05 20:11:15 I went where Google Maps told me ;) Jun 05 20:11:15 might be the one from US Jun 05 20:11:21 and it took me straight through the city Jun 05 20:11:27 on urban streets Jun 05 20:11:55 AttractiveApe: are you really attractive ;) Jun 05 20:12:01 Why thank you :) Jun 05 20:12:14 muthu: adc? Jun 05 20:12:24 yeah, the challenge Jun 05 20:12:37 no, I'm not really a dev. Jun 05 20:12:37 why does it seem like you guys are having an out-of-band conversation? Jun 05 20:12:54 what do you do? Jun 05 20:13:05 there were even some challenges understanding the challenge. Jun 05 20:13:26 I'm a linux sysadmin Jun 05 20:13:40 oh jasta will like you Jun 05 20:13:47 why is that? Jun 05 20:13:56 because you are an sysadmin too Jun 05 20:14:00 I also have a phone that runs an android rom, pretty neat. Jun 05 20:14:08 why would that make me like other sysadmins? Jun 05 20:14:16 what i do for a living has no bearing on who i like. Jun 05 20:14:27 maybe i hate him, who knows. ;) Jun 05 20:14:27 that's the way it works Jun 05 20:14:36 Muthu: you have something on your shoe. Jun 05 20:14:44 jasta: BOFH's always respect each other, but never hate. :p Jun 05 20:14:46 AttractiveApe: the HTC Rapheal or wahtever? Jun 05 20:14:52 no, the Vogue. Jun 05 20:15:01 radio is broken i assume? Jun 05 20:15:03 dmoffett: what's that? Jun 05 20:15:14 jasta: nope, can make calls and SMS and stuff. Jun 05 20:15:15 AttractiveApe: i'm mostly a developer, though. Jun 05 20:15:28 AttractiveApe: really, is the public stack even capable of that? Jun 05 20:15:30 No write access to the memcard yet, so I can't store my contacts on it, so I won't use it...yes. Jun 05 20:15:31 AttractiveApe: link? Jun 05 20:15:33 yet* Jun 05 20:15:43 http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ Jun 05 20:16:00 Seems this guy wrote his own RIL and stuff. Jun 05 20:16:08 Works on the HTC TItan too, I think. Jun 05 20:16:17 Since it's the same chipset with less ram ) Jun 05 20:16:18 ;) Jun 05 20:16:27 wow looks cool Jun 05 20:16:45 AttractiveApe: how does it perform? Jun 05 20:17:00 I never use it for more than an hour or so, but great. Jun 05 20:17:07 sadly, this would be a more exciting project if it weren't for the SDK evilness Jun 05 20:17:10 I'd love for it to be released. Jun 05 20:17:31 android is going to really open up the devices Jun 05 20:17:37 we'll see it running everywhere Jun 05 20:17:42 I hope so. Jun 05 20:17:45 LG phones piss me off. Jun 05 20:17:58 Nokia's I find irritating (I used to have an e61) Jun 05 20:18:01 muthu: well, without the release of drivers, i don't know about that. Jun 05 20:18:09 and a 6265i, running s60 and s40 respectively. Jun 05 20:18:13 there will be some 3rd party drivers Jun 05 20:18:24 these things are not trivial muthu. Jun 05 20:18:36 i'm sure we have some smart people around Jun 05 20:18:37 have you done any reverse engineering work on proprietary drivers? Jun 05 20:18:47 not me Jun 05 20:19:04 well, it is not easy to do. to the point that you won't see this massive explosion of the drivers out there. Jun 05 20:19:10 I would love for android to get drivers for everything, for instance the gps in my Vogue, and really give power to the users instead of the carriers. Jun 05 20:19:31 AttractiveApe: that's not relaly Android's plan. Googl ehas confirmed that. Jun 05 20:19:44 They will let carriers do whatever. Closing their drivers, locking their phones, etc. Jun 05 20:19:51 jasta: I know, that's the problem :( Jun 05 20:19:58 Goog will not try to enforce anything Jun 05 20:20:03 Given the naivety of those companies, though, I don't know how generally successful they will be defeating real hackers. Jun 05 20:20:07 But defeating the general public: oh yes. Jun 05 20:20:14 Maybe Jun 05 20:20:28 there'll be custom devices Jun 05 20:20:33 Windows Mobile phones, more specifically the PPCs, are nicely hackable, and the carriers don't mind too much. Jun 05 20:20:43 I'd just like to see that flexibility across the board. Jun 05 20:20:56 small players can jump in now Jun 05 20:21:49 jasta is both a sysadmin and a android dev? Jun 05 20:21:58 AttractiveApe: yeah, i wrote http://five.googlecode.com Jun 05 20:23:00 will it support development in python ?! Jun 05 20:23:10 Wow, jasta, that looks great. Jun 05 20:23:13 kim0: not initially, no. Jun 05 20:23:21 kim0: but you could hack it up, once source is out. Jun 05 20:23:24 and someone probably will Jun 05 20:23:48 okie ... Jun 05 20:23:52 jasta: do you have those interfaces coded, or are they mockups? Jun 05 20:24:03 hope python gets bindings to all the cool stuff :) Jun 05 20:29:03 AttractiveApe: they work Jun 05 20:29:28 AttractiveApe: the code is available under gpl Jun 05 20:31:48 wow jasta, looks pretty intelligent :P Jun 05 20:32:14 jasta: is a real smart guy Jun 05 20:33:27 AttractiveApe: yeah, it actually does what it pretends to do. the source is there now if you want to check it out on the emulator (or maybe on your "real" device *grin*) Jun 05 20:33:48 the server only runs on Linux for now, though. basically just because i'm a linux developer :) Jun 05 20:34:11 no complaints here, Linux is all I mostly use anyways. Jun 05 20:34:47 I'm surprised nobody here has a Vogue phone for Android testing. :| Jun 05 20:34:59 I can't be the only one, heh. Jun 05 20:35:13 plusminus had an android phone Jun 05 20:35:14 AttractiveApe: well, we'd be more excited to try stuff like that if perhaps Google would be willing to grace us with updated SDKs. Jun 05 20:35:32 jasta: hehe, yes I read your complaints about that :p Jun 05 20:35:55 so, given that, there's not much benefit to pursue android development at all right now Jun 05 20:36:02 Hopefully Google gets that figured out properly in terms of what open really means :p Jun 05 20:36:02 on hardware or otherwise Jun 05 20:36:15 AttractiveApe: Unlikely. They're in bed with the devil :) Jun 05 20:36:27 i think they made the mistake of closed for sometime Jun 05 20:36:29 Microsoft? When did they talk with Microsoft?! Jun 05 20:36:38 Just kidding :) Jun 05 20:38:32 AttractiveApe: it's nice to see how snappy it is on real hardware ;) Jun 05 20:38:38 the emulator is slow as crap :) Jun 05 20:38:58 jasta: depends on the computer :) Jun 05 20:39:07 actually, i call it a feature ;) Jun 05 20:39:12 i'm happy with it being that slow Jun 05 20:39:14 and yes Jun 05 20:39:19 we are also happy about it being slow Jun 05 20:39:30 we also worked with a simulator Jun 05 20:39:33 but that thing was too fast Jun 05 20:39:44 well, I guess I'll need to hack five into this initrd. Jun 05 20:39:51 Any other apps I should know about right now? Jun 05 20:49:31 Well, not that many apps are open actually Jun 05 20:49:38 Android, as it stands, is a quite closed experience :) Jun 05 20:50:03 but I'm sure you can find some APKs around. I don't know of any apps off hand though. Jun 05 20:57:10 slow isn't so bad Jun 05 20:57:23 people need to understand that mobile != desktop Jun 05 20:59:06 would a splash screen make sense in mobile? Jun 05 20:59:26 no, and users will want to shoot you Jun 05 20:59:27 ;) Jun 05 20:59:32 haha Jun 05 21:00:40 It's true. Jun 05 21:01:00 I want to kill devs that do that, even on desktop software. On my phone, it's very irritating. Jun 05 21:01:09 right Jun 05 21:02:08 and what about bandwidth intense apps? Jun 05 21:02:46 What constitutes intense? Jun 05 21:02:54 1Mbit? 10? Jun 05 21:03:24 meaning always on network Jun 05 21:03:30 like search the web etc., Jun 05 21:03:36 GPS? Jun 05 21:04:12 I find my phone reasonably fast when I'm searching for data, wikipedia, google maps, etc. Jun 05 21:04:25 ok, guess it depends on counteries Jun 05 21:04:39 I downloaded an Ubuntu iso once onto my memcard once, I'm pretty sure my carrier hates me :) Jun 05 21:04:47 oh oh Jun 05 21:04:49 -once Jun 05 21:04:52 muthu, Google talked about 'always on' at one point Jun 05 21:05:06 davidw: right, that's what the US market demands Jun 05 21:05:21 am not sure about asian markets Jun 05 21:05:27 where its pretty expensive Jun 05 21:05:46 but will be coming down anyways, like here in US Jun 05 21:06:16 $15/month gets me unlimited data, I think that's pretty reasonable. Jun 05 21:06:22 yes Jun 05 21:06:35 so always on is recommended Jun 05 21:08:47 2 days of work has made me insane Jun 05 21:08:55 need to get out and have fun Jun 05 21:09:55 looks like plurk is the new twitter! Jun 05 21:10:26 wow, its a gorgeous day today Jun 05 21:13:48 * davidw could use a gorgeous day Jun 05 21:14:04 summer here "sucks monkey nuts" as a friend so vividly described it Jun 05 21:15:07 haha Jun 05 21:15:19 really good Jun 05 21:19:46 it starts raining in June Jun 05 21:19:52 and stops in September Jun 05 21:19:56 then it starts snowing Jun 05 21:20:03 man! Jun 05 21:20:09 when does the sun come out? Jun 05 21:20:18 yawn Jun 05 21:20:36 jasta: heavy lunch heh? Jun 05 21:21:43 no, i just dont sleep enough Jun 05 21:21:48 jasta: Jun 05 21:21:55 what's one american dish to try? Jun 05 21:22:03 cheeseburger Jun 05 21:22:04 hehe Jun 05 21:22:08 hehe Jun 05 21:22:14 ok, done! Jun 05 21:22:51 American dinner? I think of stuff like a potroast. Jun 05 21:22:56 there is really no american food. it's just basically taking everything great and making it mild. Jun 05 21:23:15 ok, i'm going for potroast next time Jun 05 21:23:21 eww Jun 05 21:23:27 Muthu: Any cajun food. Jun 05 21:23:33 dmoffett: oh yeah Jun 05 21:23:40 Isn't cajun mexican-based? Jun 05 21:23:44 spare yourself, seriously Jun 05 21:23:54 American food is awful, generic, and plain. Jun 05 21:24:05 like the sandwiches, if they are considered american Jun 05 21:24:11 Yeah, eat good food. Jun 05 21:24:19 A man who has not lived in the south I see. Jun 05 21:24:22 I doubt sandiwches are american. they're probably italian. Jun 05 21:24:30 so nothing is american? Jun 05 21:24:48 muthu: sure, plenty of things are distinctly american. Jun 05 21:24:54 they're just not great. Jun 05 21:24:56 Cajun food is American but taken from French, Africa and the south. Jun 05 21:24:57 jasta: actually, they're British. The Earl of Sandwich created 'em Jun 05 21:24:57 and make you feel like you want to die. Jun 05 21:25:08 haha Jun 05 21:25:16 jasta: which single dish you like most? Jun 05 21:25:19 like steak and mashed potatoes with bacon and gravy. ridiculous things like that. Jun 05 21:25:28 well, that's kind of a hard thing to narrow odwn. Jun 05 21:25:45 you don't know what you like? Jun 05 21:26:07 well i can only pick one Jun 05 21:26:12 yeah pick one Jun 05 21:26:27 i like biriyani (indian) Jun 05 21:26:30 if i have to pick one Jun 05 21:26:33 but it'd probably be Indian mango chicken curry, rice, and that mango/pear/pepper salad thing. Jun 05 21:26:52 mango chicken is indeed good Jun 05 21:26:52 i dont know what it's called Jun 05 21:27:00 mmm, *salivates* Jun 05 21:27:04 pick something other than indian Jun 05 21:27:32 ok, then it would be lemon-peppered salmon with mashed potatoes and garlic green beans. Jun 05 21:27:39 broiled salmon, that is Jun 05 21:27:52 salmon, is delicious Jun 05 21:28:01 yesterday went to an italian Jun 05 21:28:17 wanted salmon, but had some shrimp fettucine or something Jun 05 21:28:23 i also like lots of Thai food, including yellow curry chicken, phad thai, prik king, cachew chicken, satay Jun 05 21:28:54 vietnamese is good Jun 05 21:28:58 especially their fish Jun 05 21:29:00 I like vietnamese pho, or szchuean great beans and dry garlic beef Jun 05 21:29:09 err, green beans* Jun 05 21:29:15 that's all that comes to mind right now Jun 05 21:29:31 heard greek is good Jun 05 21:29:39 i also like mexican fajitas Jun 05 21:29:39 heard? Jun 05 21:29:44 greek is amazing. Jun 05 21:29:44 oh, man, and gyros Jun 05 21:29:47 gyros are so freaking good :) Jun 05 21:29:51 gyros! Jun 05 21:29:56 yummy Jun 05 21:30:05 guess its egyptian Jun 05 21:30:13 muthu: roast lamb, greek salad, mousaka, etc. Jun 05 21:30:14 gyros seem a bit like candy and not a meal, though. Jun 05 21:30:28 yeah not a meal Jun 05 21:30:41 mexican in general good Jun 05 21:30:48 how about carribean? Jun 05 21:31:08 Alright guys, I'm heading out for lunch, you all win :/ Jun 05 21:31:13 haha Jun 05 21:31:17 i had quiznos for lunch today Jun 05 21:31:17 have a good lunch Jun 05 21:31:22 thanks, cheers Jun 05 21:31:37 jasta: which sub? Jun 05 21:31:37 i like the honey bourbon chicken Jun 05 21:31:43 it has spicy mustard on it Jun 05 21:31:55 that's a good combo Jun 05 21:33:10 my girlfriend makes this awesome dinner these days Jun 05 21:33:17 grilled halibut, mango salsa, and asperagus Jun 05 21:33:31 delicious Jun 05 21:33:58 you might have guessed, i don't eat much red meat. Jun 05 21:34:04 my gf can't digest it. Jun 05 21:34:17 right, looks like a lot of people are staying away from rm Jun 05 21:34:30 i used to eat a lot of it, but haven't for years now. Jun 05 21:34:42 in moderation, anything is fine Jun 05 21:34:44 she makes spaghetti with ground chicken even. Jun 05 21:35:03 the only time i eat it is when i make kebobs, i buy a filet mignon steak and put it on mine :) Jun 05 21:35:04 looks like she's a good cook Jun 05 21:35:12 yeah, very much so Jun 05 21:35:16 kebabs are great Jun 05 21:35:36 especially with a $20 steak on them :) Jun 05 21:35:41 haha Jun 05 21:36:12 i'm yet to find the answer Jun 05 21:36:17 to? Jun 05 21:36:28 why people login here and keep quiet! Jun 05 21:36:40 dude, it happens in every channel Jun 05 21:36:44 its just an irc thing Jun 05 21:36:54 guess, most of them are goog folks Jun 05 21:36:57 look at some of them Jun 05 21:37:02 like whois foysavas Jun 05 21:37:10 look how many friggin channels he's in. Jun 05 21:37:12 you should know Jun 05 21:37:24 no, most of them aren't i think. Jun 05 21:37:43 wow, foysavas is in every dev channel Jun 05 21:37:56 see, they aren't doing anything, they're just casually interested in everything Jun 05 21:38:06 now i know why he's quiet Jun 05 21:38:07 Some of them are bots right? Jun 05 21:38:23 possibly. Jun 05 21:38:31 what the bots do? Jun 05 21:38:35 log Jun 05 21:38:49 Big brother probably. Jun 05 21:38:55 really? Jun 05 21:39:10 Probably to some limited extent. Jun 05 21:39:11 you can't have that many bots Jun 05 21:39:25 but mostly I would guess news guys. Jun 05 21:39:35 my guess is they are all working for goog Jun 05 21:39:49 the majority of them Jun 05 21:39:50 mostly just lurkers. Jun 05 21:40:04 I hope they have better things to do. Jun 05 21:40:39 like sending me a non disclosure for the sdk! Jun 05 21:40:39 hmm Jun 05 21:40:47 hehe Jun 05 21:40:59 hope they do that Jun 05 21:42:16 I have to bite my tongue quite a bit here. I really want to rant. Jun 05 21:42:32 about the sdk? Jun 05 21:42:41 damn right. Jun 05 21:42:54 go right ahead Jun 05 21:42:59 Raises my blood pressure all the time. Jun 05 21:43:05 oh oh Jun 05 21:43:07 let it out Jun 05 21:43:29 Nothing that has not already been said. :-( Jun 05 21:43:54 It is Google's turn to put up. Jun 05 21:44:04 i'm sure they are working on it Jun 05 21:45:05 Meanwhile I am working on iPhone. Jun 05 21:45:13 really/ Jun 05 21:45:20 how's it/ Jun 05 21:45:22 ? Jun 05 21:45:34 Not at nice as android imo. Jun 05 21:45:38 remember, dmoffett was the guy that was going to harpoon some dude at I/O for knocking ObjC Jun 05 21:45:49 haha Jun 05 21:46:09 i don't remember who the other one was Jun 05 21:46:12 I think I was asking him to backup his objections to Objective C. Jun 05 21:46:12 he was really going to get him. i wanted to start chanting "fight, fight, fight!" Jun 05 21:46:29 muthu: i don't either, but i think he was one of the ADC winners Jun 05 21:46:29 Saving that for you Jasta. Jun 05 21:46:36 i never did know what his app was, though Jun 05 21:46:40 bring it on old man! :) Jun 05 21:46:41 correction Jun 05 21:46:56 foysavas: is that you? Jun 05 21:47:01 foysavas is in every dev channel that matters :) Jun 05 21:47:04 see, his spidey sense tingled because i talked to him Jun 05 21:47:22 Man we should have gone out drinking. I have been in a couple of bar fights. :-) Jun 05 21:47:39 do random fights break out Jun 05 21:47:53 i mean i visit bars and i'm pretty loud Jun 05 21:48:31 don't want someone knocking me out, hehe Jun 05 21:49:15 dmoffett: why were you in a fight? Jun 05 21:49:42 I was a kid and in the army with my buddies. To much beer and not enough women to keep us occupied. Jun 05 21:49:51 ha! Jun 05 21:50:02 not to worry in SF. Jun 05 21:50:09 yeah SF is pretty cool Jun 05 21:50:15 stupid is what it was. Jun 05 21:50:48 missed scoble in IO Jun 05 21:50:51 wanted to meet him Jun 05 21:50:59 muthu: jasta: http://twitter.com/foysavas Jun 05 21:51:08 i've been put in the hospital from random fighting on the street Jun 05 21:51:08 He was at the android booth. Jun 05 21:51:13 didn't know scoble would be there in IO Jun 05 21:51:14 had to get surgery on my eye socket Jun 05 21:51:18 foysavas: following Jun 05 21:51:42 i didn't start it, though, and there were 4 guys Jun 05 21:51:46 i had a boot print on my face for like 4 days. Jun 05 21:51:49 and had to wear an eye patch Jun 05 21:51:50 nice Jun 05 21:52:04 terrible Jun 05 21:52:09 I was never in a fight and said I was glad about ti. Jun 05 21:52:47 foysavas: your messages are tweeted? Jun 05 21:53:02 dmoffett: well, but sometimes you'd have more regret not to ;) Jun 05 21:53:26 the only fight i've ever been in that i felt was justified was this guy that was harrassing my gf Jun 05 21:53:31 yep, at times you just have to step up. Jun 05 21:53:41 mostly girls are involved, i guess Jun 05 21:54:14 girls fights are fun. :-) Jun 05 21:54:38 its all the same, everywhere, all around the world Jun 05 21:54:52 only the props change Jun 05 21:55:03 dmoffett: actually, the guy was much bigger than me Jun 05 21:55:08 MUCH bigger, he would have beat the tar out of me Jun 05 21:55:23 so i was kinda modest about it at first Jun 05 21:55:30 but when he was being a cock about the whole thing i challenged him to a fight Jun 05 21:55:35 and nodded for my friends to follow me Jun 05 21:55:44 and two of us did some damage ;) Jun 05 21:56:01 Nice Jun 05 21:56:11 he had no idea that was coming until after i stepped outside with 4 guys Jun 05 21:56:18 was he alone? Jun 05 21:56:21 yeah Jun 05 21:56:53 dont know why someone gets into a fight when they are alone Jun 05 21:57:20 yeah, seems stupid Jun 05 21:57:22 but trust me, people do it Jun 05 21:57:34 in fact, me and my friends were at a bar last week where that almost happened Jun 05 21:57:49 we assumed a table was unoccupied and started playing a game of pool Jun 05 21:58:03 the guy who had the table was in the bathroom (and the guy he was playing with was nowhere to be found) Jun 05 21:58:12 I don't have much trouble these days but I don't frequent the same type of places. Jun 05 21:58:13 he got back all pissed, we apologied, but he wouldnt let it go Jun 05 21:58:23 so he pushed my friend who was trying to be like "sorry dude, it wasn't obvious" Jun 05 21:58:41 it was one of those moments where you think to yourself "is this guy for real? he's alone, and there are 6 of us." Jun 05 21:58:53 just ridiculous behaviour :) Jun 05 21:58:59 There are plenty of assholes out there. Jun 05 21:58:59 you do crazy things when you are drunk? Jun 05 21:59:10 muthu: me? hehe, you could say that Jun 05 21:59:19 s/?/!/g Jun 05 21:59:19 muthu meant: you do crazy things when you are drunk! Jun 05 21:59:33 ahh. Jun 05 21:59:34 jasta: everyone does Jun 05 21:59:34 s/you/sexy men/g Jun 05 21:59:44 =| Jun 05 21:59:49 Kraln: haha Jun 05 22:00:19 muthu: it's a pretty good idea to never go out and get drunk alone or with a very small group, i'll just say that. Jun 05 22:00:27 agree Jun 05 22:00:39 i usually go out with my core group, which is 4 other guys Jun 05 22:00:52 call me simple, I just stay home and drink with friends. Jun 05 22:01:00 That could be because I'm frugal...but... Jun 05 22:01:01 going to a known place is safe Jun 05 22:01:18 AttractiveApe: that also means you are not married ;) Jun 05 22:01:35 muthu: very true! Jun 05 22:01:39 I see why now :P Jun 05 22:01:42 i'm not married, i don't see the correlation Jun 05 22:01:45 if you are married, you can drink alone though Jun 05 22:01:51 or with your wife Jun 05 22:02:02 my gf comes out with me usually Jun 05 22:02:07 get married Jun 05 22:02:12 and let me know Jun 05 22:02:23 i dont want to ;) Jun 05 22:02:28 seems like a lame deal. Jun 05 22:02:30 haha Jun 05 22:02:50 marriage and kids are different stories Jun 05 22:02:56 usually nice though Jun 05 22:04:18 my brother's second kid is on the way Jun 05 22:04:21 and he's sorta boring now ;) Jun 05 22:04:33 but he did come snow camping with us, which was fun Jun 05 22:04:45 more responsibilities makes you boring Jun 05 22:04:50 mmm, lunch was nice. Vietnamese sandwich, satay beef pastry, and an egg tart. Jun 05 22:04:53 num num num. Jun 05 22:05:04 wow cool Jun 05 22:06:50 vietnamese sandwich? Jun 05 22:07:15 AttractiveApe: you should try their fish menu Jun 05 22:07:24 I do Jun 05 22:07:29 but that was just a quick lunch. Jun 05 22:07:34 right Jun 05 22:07:52 I work in chinatown in vancouver, I've heard it's the largest chinatown in all of north america. Jun 05 22:08:06 lots of great shops :P Jun 05 22:08:31 yeah, chinatowns are fascinating Jun 05 22:08:34 china town in seattle is huge, you might be wrong about that :) Jun 05 22:08:44 we have an asian mega grocery store downtown Jun 05 22:09:05 had chinese dinner in chinatown SF - really good Jun 05 22:09:14 chinese food sucks ;) Jun 05 22:09:21 jasta: find, 'one of the largest' Jun 05 22:09:23 even when it's authentic hehe Jun 05 22:09:24 fine*! Jun 05 22:09:35 jasta: bah, Chinese food is yummy. Jun 05 22:09:38 no way Jun 05 22:09:48 especially when authentic, excluding duck/chicken feet. Jun 05 22:09:51 even the really good authentic stuff is nothing to write home about Jun 05 22:10:14 mongolian beef and fried rice are like the only passable things ;) Jun 05 22:10:15 jasta: that's wild Jun 05 22:10:36 chinese food is good Jun 05 22:10:47 thai food is always better ;) Jun 05 22:11:31 chinese food is just a bunch of nasty gravy-type stuff. all the sauces are too thick, too rich, and too much. it's like goo on your plate :) Jun 05 22:11:44 thai food has that distinct flavor Jun 05 22:11:49 yeah thai is nice Jun 05 22:12:12 I like 'em all. Jun 05 22:12:33 Although the girlfriend is chinese, so I get tons of exposure to it. Jun 05 22:12:36 dimsum is awesome :) Jun 05 22:13:26 yeah dimsums, in india they have similar stuff up north Jun 05 22:13:29 really nice Jun 05 22:15:09 called? Jun 05 22:15:32 i don't remember Jun 05 22:15:45 its exactly like dimsum.. stuffed with spicy chicken/mutton etc., Jun 05 22:15:50 hot and steamy.. yummy Jun 05 22:15:53 yeah Jun 05 22:16:01 cool. Jun 05 22:16:24 and they have this sauce.. which is pretty good Jun 05 22:17:15 Well we have covered beer, fighting, editors and now food. Guess the only thing left is women. :-) Jun 05 22:17:25 oh oh Jun 05 22:17:31 that's a tricky subject Jun 05 22:18:06 we did editors? Jun 05 22:18:10 Who won? Jun 05 22:18:14 The vimers? Jun 05 22:19:17 no winners Jun 05 22:19:42 I think it was to touchy of a subject. There would have been fights. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 05 22:31:23 2008 Jun 05 22:33:22 what kind of things do you admin jasta? Jun 05 22:36:03 i actually do a lot of programming here, but for the admin side i just maintain a distributed network of systems across our organizations 4 offices Jun 05 22:36:27 and the server that connects them all to our parent company which handles all of our shipping and inventory stuff Jun 05 22:37:02 ah Jun 05 22:37:10 all Linux workstations? Jun 05 22:37:42 no, all windows workstations, all linux servers Jun 05 22:38:04 nothing glamorous, by any means. Jun 05 22:38:21 but it's a profitable company, and there are certain perks associated with being a big operational part of that ;) Jun 05 22:38:28 yeah Jun 05 22:41:49 most of my time here is spent programming, just because admining a network this small is not that demanding Jun 05 22:42:22 you can take up programming work right? Jun 05 22:48:52 muthu: what do you mean? Jun 05 22:49:12 if you interested in programming Jun 05 22:49:18 why not take a full time job? Jun 05 22:49:39 i had no direction in mind until android came along. Jun 05 22:49:45 and also did not understand, why you refused android work Jun 05 22:49:50 wouldn't know where to go because i had nothing really interesting i wanted to work on Jun 05 22:50:03 you mean the TuneWiki stuff? Jun 05 22:50:06 yeah Jun 05 22:50:16 i don't believe in their business model, or their idea. Jun 05 22:50:34 i'm not a mercenary. i don't just join projects because they will pay me :) Jun 05 22:50:36 hmm.. it was a chance for you to participate Jun 05 22:51:07 part of the appeal of my current job is that i am in charge of this side of the business, and i appreciate the freedom and flexibility. Jun 05 22:51:23 if i was to give that up, i would only do it to be part of a project i otherwise believe in, and want to promote. Jun 05 22:51:41 you weren't offered parttime? Jun 05 22:51:55 so, i'm not just going to jump ship to the first Android project that comes knocking ;) Jun 05 22:52:12 muthu: my current job is full time, so i would only leave it for another full time offer. Jun 05 22:52:28 no, you could've done android work parttime Jun 05 22:53:02 and then there would be no time to work on my project, in favor of another i don't necessarily think is better Jun 05 22:53:05 ? Jun 05 22:53:09 that doesn't seem like a win for me hehe Jun 05 22:53:27 but you are not doing anything now Jun 05 22:53:44 well, i have my project, which i am still pursuing Jun 05 22:53:53 you said, you lost motivation Jun 05 22:53:55 this past month i have certainly not done much, but only because i've been upset. Jun 05 22:54:05 being upset doesn't last forever ;) Jun 05 22:54:15 right, the participation would have given what you wanted Jun 05 22:54:35 what participation? Jun 05 22:55:01 with tunewiki for example Jun 05 22:55:10 but like i said, i wasn't interested in what TuneWiki was doing. Jun 05 22:55:25 hmm Jun 05 22:56:11 just because it's on Android doesn't mean i'm interested. Jun 05 22:56:24 i don't get that point Jun 05 22:56:30 you are not clear Jun 05 22:56:37 about what doesn't interest me about it? Jun 05 22:57:00 you had five.. and you got similar project Jun 05 22:57:23 its not like cooking.. which i can understand Jun 05 22:58:58 TuneWiki doesn't seem like a project I would use, personally. Jun 05 22:59:32 The main advantage and focus of their player is the synchronization of lyrics to the song, which I don't see as important or especially useful to my usage pattern. Jun 05 22:59:47 so, I don't see the project as interesting or appealing. Jun 05 22:59:59 the top 50 didn't matter to you? Jun 05 23:00:01 likewise, after talking with Chad, their business model seems weak and their overall strategy doesn't seem like something i want to be part of. Jun 05 23:00:27 muthu: no, not especially. why is this hard for you to imagine? Jun 05 23:00:44 i don't know Jun 05 23:00:46 android is just a platform, no different than Linux or Windows. if you liked Windows would you take any job writing Windows software? Jun 05 23:01:06 yeah, but Jun 05 23:01:35 like i said, i am not a mercenary. when i can help it, i choose to have jobs that i personally like. Jun 05 23:02:11 as i said, a big appeal with my current job is that i appreciate having the ability to drive projects and be in charge of their direction and development. Jun 05 23:02:18 tunewiki - was it parttime or fulltime offer? Jun 05 23:02:21 also, i work with my brother and that's fun for me. Jun 05 23:02:32 muthu: the didn't clarify, but i would not be interested in either. Jun 05 23:02:40 ok Jun 05 23:02:43 i like my 40 hour work week, thank you very much :) Jun 05 23:02:51 exactly Jun 05 23:03:06 so part-time is not an option for me. with five, i work when i feel like it, and that is an important option to have when you have a full-time job. Jun 05 23:03:19 right Jun 05 23:03:20 if it were full-time i would not be interested still, for the other reasons i gave. Jun 05 23:03:29 i honestly don't get what's so hard to understand here. Jun 05 23:03:48 me neither Jun 05 23:03:56 I see where jasta is coming from :P Jun 05 23:04:08 i can understand if you are not willing to take a parttime work Jun 05 23:05:21 there are many opportunities i would dump my current job for, TuneWiki just wasn't one of them. Jun 05 23:05:56 i didn't know you'll have to dump your current job Jun 05 23:05:58 and while i am interested in the mobile industry, specifically with Android, i'm not so blind as to assume that any job working in that area will automatically be better than my current one. Jun 05 23:06:08 muthu: how could i have two full-time jobs? Jun 05 23:06:37 ok, i thought TW wanted you parttime Jun 05 23:06:51 well either way, as i said, i lik emy 40 hour work week. Jun 05 23:07:08 which is what i have now, with my full-time job. the android work i have done on my personal time in extension of that has been my personal time still. Jun 05 23:07:27 it is me doing what i want, driving a project where i want to. that has a lot of benefits that are not easily offset by extra income i don't need. Jun 05 23:08:18 i guess maybe that's the part you're missing, i am gainfully employed. i don't need another job on top of the one i already have :) Jun 05 23:08:40 i understand that Jun 05 23:08:51 it's not about the money... Jun 05 23:09:01 if i was unemployed, yes, it would be about the money hehe Jun 05 23:09:35 its not about the money, agree Jun 05 23:10:19 then what do you see as the advantage to accepting a position working with Android? Jun 05 23:10:35 money i don't need for less flexibility and personal time than i enjoy currently. does that seem like a win? :) Jun 05 23:11:09 my point is Jun 05 23:11:15 you can continue working with android Jun 05 23:11:24 oh you mean to get access to the SDK? Jun 05 23:11:29 right Jun 05 23:11:39 do note that i did not know that this SDK fiasco would come about while these conversations were in the works. Jun 05 23:11:55 oh, i get it Jun 05 23:12:06 regardless, i have enough character not to weasel in on a project just to get access to the SDK for my personal development. Jun 05 23:12:22 that seems unscrupulous and unnecessary. Jun 05 23:12:22 why would you do just do that? Jun 05 23:12:46 well as we already established, i'm not otherwise interested in working for them. so if i had done as you mention, then i would only accept the position to get the SDK Jun 05 23:13:04 if you are going to sign up just for that Jun 05 23:13:26 then i'm against it Jun 05 23:13:32 i'm not going to, that's my point. it wouldn't have mattered: it's not the right way to bypass Google's SDK situation. Jun 05 23:14:09 in fact, i don't think it would even work :) Jun 05 23:14:18 as they said, you aren't allowed to add team members. Jun 05 23:14:26 what? Jun 05 23:14:29 reallY? Jun 05 23:14:32 yup Jun 05 23:14:35 Jason said it at I/O Jun 05 23:14:38 and the terms say it too, i think Jun 05 23:14:48 you can officially add team members now, and as such, you cannot extend the NDA to new folks. Jun 05 23:14:52 you cannot* Jun 05 23:15:21 personally i think Jun 05 23:15:34 if i were in your position, and am ready to work parttime Jun 05 23:15:45 i am not ready to work part-time Jun 05 23:15:46 i would've take up TW Jun 05 23:15:49 didn't i say that already? Jun 05 23:15:59 i don't want more work than a 40 hour work week Jun 05 23:16:06 and i especially don't want that work to go to them. Jun 05 23:16:09 you are doing it for 5 Jun 05 23:16:17 do you see that as the same thing? Jun 05 23:16:45 you are working anyways Jun 05 23:17:15 are you being serious right now? :) Jun 05 23:17:39 haha Jun 05 23:17:49 you don't see the difference between working on a project I imagined, designed, and control versus one previously established, that I don't see myself personally using, etc? Jun 05 23:18:07 you are not working on 5 now Jun 05 23:18:13 and also that my personal project can afford greatly flexible hours, such as this past month where i have done almost nothing? Jun 05 23:18:26 because i don't want to work on Android right now. I'm *pissed at Google*. Jun 05 23:18:44 right, and you lost motivation Jun 05 23:19:01 because i'm pissed. how do you suppose working for TuneWiki will make me not pissed at Google? Jun 05 23:19:29 my point was motivation Jun 05 23:19:52 sure, but working for an existing project that doesn't interest me would not help that situation. Jun 05 23:19:59 nor would it undo the damage that Google has done to the community at large. Jun 05 23:20:14 i don't really understand you here. Jun 05 23:20:30 just because somebody is doing something with Android does not, in any way, mean I care. Jun 05 23:21:53 you made your point clear - you were'nt ready for parttime work Jun 05 23:22:11 that really isn't the central point here. Jun 05 23:22:15 haha Jun 05 23:22:16 the central point is that i find TuneWiki boring ;) Jun 05 23:22:26 and I find my project, obviously, not boring. Jun 05 23:22:29 then you are ready to work parttime? Jun 05 23:22:58 i am not going to take a part-time position either. do you understand this idea of having multiple arguments against a decision? :) Jun 05 23:23:19 you are confusing yourself and me Jun 05 23:23:25 i am not confusing myself. Jun 05 23:23:31 by not giving a valid reason Jun 05 23:23:41 i am both unwilling to take part-time work in addition to my current job, *AND* i am unwilling to work for TuneWiki. Jun 05 23:24:00 both conditions are true at the same time. though the latter is a much stronger reason for me ;) Jun 05 23:24:19 there cannot be 2 reason Jun 05 23:24:28 what? Jun 05 23:24:37 you can't have many reasons for rejecting something Jun 05 23:24:45 there can be only 1 Jun 05 23:25:02 lol, really? that's what you believe? Jun 05 23:25:06 yes Jun 05 23:25:41 so what if i said you could give me $100 to let me punch you in the face? why would you not want me to do that? Jun 05 23:26:02 my reason is you are crazy Jun 05 23:26:09 so i would run away from you Jun 05 23:26:19 haha Jun 05 23:26:52 jasta: really, there is no way you can have many reasons for rejecting something Jun 05 23:26:59 there should be 1 strong reason Jun 05 23:27:01 right, but that is a rhetoric to avoid the context of the question, which clearly asserts the logical conundrum you just created :) Jun 05 23:27:21 now i know the real reason why you did not accept Jun 05 23:27:39 the stronger reason Jun 05 23:27:42 there is this idea of layering arguments. when one layer is removed, the others remain. Jun 05 23:28:21 the reason at the highest layer is, usually, the hardest to remove. but the others are still there if you can. Jun 05 23:28:43 you would have taken up partime work, if you had been offered some interesting projects Jun 05 23:28:53 no, i would not have. Jun 05 23:29:02 i would be open to full time work that interested me. Jun 05 23:29:05 but definitely not part-time. Jun 05 23:29:14 oh ok Jun 05 23:29:26 you see: *two* reasons, removing one does not remove the other. Jun 05 23:29:27 the bottom line is you wanted really exciting stuff Jun 05 23:29:39 no two reasons, i see only one Jun 05 23:29:47 which i stated above Jun 05 23:30:08 uhm, but what you just stated was incorrect, which is why i said no. Jun 05 23:30:30 here you go again Jun 05 23:30:36 confusing yourself and me Jun 05 23:30:45 i would not accept a position that was either part-time, or boring. both conditions are part of the logic of the decision. Jun 05 23:31:02 no you would not accept a project which is not exciting enough Jun 05 23:31:19 are you telling me how i think now? Jun 05 23:31:39 i just got that from you Jun 05 23:32:16 do you have any understanding of symbolic logic? i'm just curious, because you seem to believe it is imaginary. Jun 05 23:32:35 human mind doesn't work that way Jun 05 23:32:58 that's why we are emotional Jun 05 23:32:58 so you believe that discipline is imaginary? Jun 05 23:33:56 i did not say that Jun 05 23:34:18 so you believe symbolic logic does not apply to humans? to what, then, does it apply? Jun 05 23:34:58 i'm saying the human mind is not controlled by pure logic Jun 05 23:35:42 lol Jun 05 23:36:02 ok, and what conclusion does that help you reach here? that because we do not operate purely on logic that we then do not operate at all on logic? Jun 05 23:36:33 i'm just killing time before 5pm now, but really, this is absurd ;) Jun 05 23:36:38 haha Jun 05 23:36:47 you actually said earlier that humans can't have two reasons for doing something. Jun 05 23:37:07 i said, you had a very strong reason for rejecting an offer Jun 05 23:37:14 as if to say that humans are incapable of processing "AND" :) Jun 05 23:37:31 AND does not matter Jun 05 23:37:36 what if i had two strong reasons, one being very strong? is that impossible? :) Jun 05 23:37:42 jasta: hack your home pc open and get me those apk's Jun 05 23:37:42 you can have 1001 AND's Jun 05 23:38:05 there can be 2 strong reasons Jun 05 23:38:13 s/can/can't/g Jun 05 23:38:13 muthu meant: there can't be 2 strong reasons Jun 05 23:38:17 AttractiveApe: lol, i'm on it now, i just don't have my build environ set up right on my new machine :) Jun 05 23:38:40 muthu: where did you learn this idea, btw? Jun 05 23:38:48 what idea? Jun 05 23:38:51 have you found, in general, that most people agree with you? :) Jun 05 23:39:01 that it is impossible to have two strong reasons for something. Jun 05 23:39:11 you just gave me 2 strong reasons Jun 05 23:39:27 but it did not make sense Jun 05 23:39:27 muthu meant: there can't be 2 strong reasons Jun 05 23:39:29 ? Jun 05 23:39:42 i saw only 1 strong reason for your rejection Jun 05 23:39:51 you imagined it was 2 Jun 05 23:40:11 no, i am certain it is 2. you imagined that what you do not understand or know is not real. Jun 05 23:40:48 which is why this trivial, easy to understand argument has gone on for so long :) Jun 05 23:40:49 that's why i said you are confusing yourself Jun 05 23:41:05 confusing with too many reasons Jun 05 23:41:18 because i am incapable of having 2? Jun 05 23:41:26 you can have many Jun 05 23:41:37 so 2 is too many? Jun 05 23:41:41 but you should be able to tell others that one strong reason Jun 05 23:42:00 ok. which i did. Jun 05 23:42:10 yeah, that's the real reason Jun 05 23:42:16 that's the most promoted reason. Jun 05 23:42:34 real is a very inappropriate word for this context. Jun 05 23:43:06 real is the right word Jun 05 23:43:13 if and only if one was real, then all others would be not real. Jun 05 23:43:24 and real being factual, that would invalidate all others. Jun 05 23:43:27 exactly! Jun 05 23:43:36 finally you agree with me Jun 05 23:43:37 right, but that proves to me that your usage of the word is wrong. Jun 05 23:43:51 because you can have multiple factual excuses for a behaviour. Jun 05 23:44:05 and therefore, you could not call one real and one not real unless you had a miserable grasp of the English language. Jun 05 23:44:13 yeah, they are excuses Jun 05 23:44:16 not the real reason Jun 05 23:44:22 excuses are reasons dummy Jun 05 23:44:26 excuses for the real reason actually Jun 05 23:44:59 i think i can safely end this conversation now on the simple basis that you are semantically bankrupt :) Jun 05 23:45:05 haha Jun 05 23:45:11 you are wiser now ;) Jun 05 23:45:41 AttractiveApe: i will set up my build environment when i get home (leaving in 15 minutes) Jun 05 23:45:59 alright, I should be here for a bit longer Jun 05 23:46:07 should probably go to the datacenter soon. Jun 05 23:47:27 actually, i'll head home now. i think i've killed enough time here :) Jun 05 23:47:43 k, hurry up :P Jun 06 00:21:39 * AttractiveApe waits for jasta. Jun 06 00:21:59 I should have asked how long his commute was. Jun 06 00:36:54 at home now Jun 06 00:36:55 building ;) Jun 06 00:37:53 * AttractiveApe yawns. Jun 06 00:38:50 should i e-mail them to you? Jun 06 00:38:59 624k Jun 06 00:39:25 also you do have keyboard input on the device right? it will be required to create the server entry on the phone Jun 06 00:40:20 email is fine Jun 06 00:40:38 I have an osk, yeah. Jun 06 01:12:05 Good evening everyone Jun 06 01:13:40 hello Jun 06 01:15:33 Jasta: I know you have posted the link to your app before but would you be so kind? Jun 06 01:17:23 hows it going jasta? Jun 06 01:17:43 whats your site? Jun 06 01:17:48 i need to checkout your source Jun 06 01:24:09 Dougie187: five.googlecode.com Jun 06 01:42:29 awesome Jun 06 01:42:31 thanks Jun 06 01:42:52 have you updated it yet? Jun 06 01:42:58 or is it still the same stuff Jun 06 01:44:08 also, does anyone know if we have heard about the sdk thing yet? Jun 06 01:44:20 nothing yet. Jun 06 01:44:27 damn Jun 06 01:44:40 to put it mildly. Jun 06 01:44:49 i take it your not a winner either? Jun 06 01:44:59 No I did not win. Jun 06 01:45:09 bust. Jun 06 01:45:18 are you looking to get access to the new SDK as well? Jun 06 01:45:37 Did better than I thought but based on a lot of factors I don't put a lot of stock in my percentage. Jun 06 01:45:47 Yes I am. Jun 06 01:45:54 heh Jun 06 01:46:10 i wish they would release that announcement, that they promise from last week. Jun 06 01:46:37 s/promise/promised/g Jun 06 01:46:38 Dougie187 meant: i wish they would release that announcement, that they promised from last week. Jun 06 01:48:36 maybe jasonchen is around Jun 06 01:54:54 well. im out Jun 06 01:54:58 see you guys later. Jun 06 01:55:01 thanks jasta Jun 06 02:25:23 jasta: around? Jun 06 02:28:07 yup Jun 06 02:28:49 do you need the special version that hardcodes the server source? Jun 06 02:29:09 That would be great. Jun 06 02:29:15 ok, hang on Jun 06 02:30:07 k, try that one i just sent. Jun 06 02:31:02 :| that was fast. Jun 06 02:31:17 just a switch, i used to use it this way :) Jun 06 02:36:49 AttractiveApe: is that phone the HTC Touch on Sprint (CDMA version)? Jun 06 02:37:00 i actually have access to one of those :) Jun 06 02:39:36 jasta: yeah, same phone. Jun 06 02:43:07 my co-workers has one. i might see if i can get this running on his tomorrow at work :) Jun 06 02:43:25 yeah, just download the apps listed on that site Jun 06 02:43:38 and it should boot up easily, no modification required. Jun 06 02:43:54 yeah, i noticed that. i actually am not familiar with what haret is doing, but i should look it up **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 06 02:59:56 2008