**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 11 02:59:56 2008 Jun 11 03:11:05 * Hyphenex is back (gone 00:44:53) Jun 11 09:58:57 any suggestions for laying out an object just a bit north of the center of the android screen? Jun 11 12:39:12 What are the diffs between android and openmoko Jun 11 12:45:30 mne: everything :P Jun 11 12:46:52 lol Jun 11 12:47:25 as far i know both are based on linux and are released under an open source license Jun 11 12:48:06 which one is the better choice on which hw runs android? Jun 11 13:08:11 the design is completely different i think. openmoko is a complete open linux, with qt and c/c++ and whatnot. android is linux, too. but programs are based on java. i'd guess both run equally fine on hw, because that pretty much depends on linux support Jun 11 13:12:54 are there any out of the box fine working android-devices available? Jun 11 13:13:34 mne: now? don't bother Jun 11 13:13:39 just wait Jun 11 13:17:07 there are some development things Jun 11 13:17:11 omapzoom Jun 11 13:17:34 http://www.omapzoom.org/wiki/tiki-index.php Jun 11 13:17:43 plusminus von anddev just got one :> Jun 11 13:18:48 does android run on the openmoko neo hw? Jun 11 13:19:30 in a way that everything works and you can make calls? i highly doubt it Jun 11 13:20:07 android is not released yet, if you arent a developer you should just wait. if you are you can use the emulator from the sdk Jun 11 13:29:17 primary i need a phone that works out of the box. Jun 11 13:30:53 mne: then wait Jun 11 13:34:37 i'm afraid but i think i have to use my nokia9500 and i surely dont buy a M$ phone Jun 11 13:35:26 until the perfect opensource phone is available Jun 11 14:09:22 meh Jun 11 14:09:46 does someone have an idea on how to use the arguments to ContentResolver.query() properly Jun 11 14:10:00 the example i find always get the whole list of contacts Jun 11 14:10:12 and i want a proper where clause to only get a specific contact Jun 11 14:10:33 but that selection thingie creeps me out Jun 11 15:49:06 anyone here using a dell vostro laptop? Jun 11 16:00:03 michaelnovakjr_1: no Jun 11 16:00:06 not me Jun 11 16:22:39 michaelnovakjr, I have a dell inspiron Jun 11 16:22:48 poi e` mio, non nostro Jun 11 16:23:00 silly names they try and think up Jun 11 16:23:21 davidw, running linux? Jun 11 16:23:46 yeah Jun 11 16:23:50 ubuntu Jun 11 16:23:59 nice, how's the wireless support? Jun 11 16:24:06 good Jun 11 16:24:18 does yours have nvidia graphics? Jun 11 16:50:44 yawn Jun 11 16:52:19 romainguy_: you mentioned that you guys have a terminal apk? does it make native calls? Jun 11 16:53:35 I couldn't see this line Jun 11 16:54:54 what? Jun 11 16:55:43 Colloquy has this bug Jun 11 16:55:50 sometimes when I join a channel I cannot see the text Jun 11 16:56:05 I have to force a clear display to see the next messages Jun 11 16:56:06 :) Jun 11 16:56:32 ahh, well, my question was whether the terminal apk you mentioned required native calls through to another library on the system? Jun 11 16:57:27 I have no idea Jun 11 17:01:28 can you check for me? i'm curious to see how/if you guys allocate a pty in java Jun 11 17:05:33 good afternoon everyone Jun 11 17:05:40 good afternoon Jun 11 17:05:53 ohh havent talked to you in a while Jun 11 17:05:55 hows it going? Jun 11 17:06:19 not bad, shopping for a new laptop, yourself? Jun 11 17:06:28 not too bad either. Jun 11 17:06:33 i wish i could afford a new laptop Jun 11 17:06:33 lol Jun 11 17:06:39 i have mine all picked out, just need the money Jun 11 17:06:51 i'm selling my old one to fund the new one :) Jun 11 17:07:02 heh Jun 11 17:07:10 my current one would go to my wife when i get a new one Jun 11 17:07:47 i have a mac, but i'm just not a mac guy anymore Jun 11 17:08:00 lol i never was Jun 11 17:08:11 i only like them for imovie and idvd Jun 11 17:08:28 yea, so i am shopping for a laptop to setup linux on Jun 11 17:08:34 Dougie187, a new wife? Jun 11 17:08:40 lol no Jun 11 17:08:50 oh;-P Jun 11 17:09:23 same one for the last 1.5 years Jun 11 17:09:31 haha Jun 11 17:09:56 mornin Jun 11 17:10:07 afternoon Jun 11 17:10:26 hey michaelnovakjr_1 Jun 11 17:10:57 howdy Jun 11 17:11:41 im playing some TF2 recently Jun 11 17:11:41 lol Jun 11 17:12:14 Dougie187: you seem to be playing a lot of games Jun 11 17:12:31 what else is there to do? Jun 11 17:12:33 no new sdk Jun 11 17:12:59 you have a point! Jun 11 17:13:01 muthu: yeah im on summer break Jun 11 17:13:12 going anywhere? Jun 11 17:13:20 nope Jun 11 17:20:21 michaelnovakjr_1: you play alot of Halo lately? Jun 11 17:20:33 a little bit Jun 11 17:20:41 just bought the ps3 last week Jun 11 17:21:09 bought Uncharted, haven't played it yet, but its top on my list of games to play Jun 11 17:21:11 yeah i remember you saying that Jun 11 17:21:25 i was playing cod4 last night Jun 11 17:21:28 lol Jun 11 17:21:29 nice Jun 11 17:22:28 you could start a company or something Jun 11 17:22:42 or play with the wife... they often have some good features preinstalled Jun 11 17:22:55 no need to wait for updates Jun 11 17:23:06 lol Jun 11 17:23:12 yeah but they have a long cool down time Jun 11 17:23:48 a long long cool down time :) Jun 11 17:24:51 and they overheat really quick Jun 11 17:25:00 yea Jun 11 17:27:14 my girlfriend and i's 2 year "anniversary" is today Jun 11 17:27:25 happy anniversary Jun 11 17:27:31 our 6 year is coming up Jun 11 17:27:34 jasta: wow, where you going? Jun 11 17:28:47 2 years huh, she isn't bothering about a ring yet? Jun 11 17:30:27 lol Jun 11 17:30:35 sounds about the right time for those questions to happen Jun 11 17:33:48 no way Jun 11 17:34:26 2 years is an insufficient sample size to extrapolate data over 30 years. Jun 11 17:34:31 lol Jun 11 17:35:16 i know people who do it after 6 months Jun 11 17:36:23 when do you actually decide to ask that question? Jun 11 17:36:45 shouldnt you already know? Jun 11 17:37:12 i'm wondering about american folks Jun 11 17:37:17 ph Jun 11 17:37:19 oh Jun 11 17:37:21 when ever we want Jun 11 17:37:34 i did it in two days Jun 11 17:37:48 michaelnovakjr_1: tell me Jun 11 17:37:50 i did it.... about 3 years ago. Jun 11 17:37:57 like 3 years into it i guess Jun 11 17:37:59 oh, 2 days Jun 11 17:37:59 maybe 2 Jun 11 17:38:13 actually we were dating for 4 years before getting married Jun 11 17:38:19 yeah us too Jun 11 17:38:21 2yrs seems to be a good time to decide Jun 11 17:38:45 what's this "dating" thing? Jun 11 17:39:05 and how do you know each other by "dating"? Jun 11 17:39:14 i wouldn't get married to my girl now until after she graduates college Jun 11 17:39:19 which will be a minimum of 2 years Jun 11 17:40:09 once she's out of college, will you marry? Jun 11 17:40:16 maybe Jun 11 17:41:02 i have another question Jun 11 17:41:23 is is ok, to date more than one at a time? Jun 11 17:41:31 lol Jun 11 17:41:32 no Jun 11 17:41:43 well i guess it depends. are you a sleeze ball or not? Jun 11 17:41:47 haha Jun 11 17:42:01 again wondering about the cultural issues since i'm not familiar Jun 11 17:42:26 i think you could guess that one. monogomy is not exactly an uncommon theme around the world. Jun 11 17:42:28 if you are a swinger you can date as many as you want! Jun 11 17:42:47 lol not quite. Jun 11 17:42:51 swingers dont date more then one. Jun 11 17:42:57 they date one, just have sex with a ton Jun 11 17:42:58 i saw a commercial on TV that was so awesome that i want to do it some day Jun 11 17:43:10 this guy strapped a penguin to him and went hanggliding Jun 11 17:43:15 haha Jun 11 17:43:22 the penguin was like spreading his wings and flapping like he was flying Jun 11 17:43:28 looking all over the place. he looked soooo happy :) Jun 11 17:43:41 haha Jun 11 17:43:44 thats awesoe Jun 11 17:43:47 awesome Jun 11 17:43:50 totally. i want to do it :) Jun 11 17:44:19 you can do it now Jun 11 17:46:52 well it's not like it would be that simple Jun 11 17:46:58 you can't just stroll into a zoo and ask to borrow one Jun 11 17:47:02 haha Jun 11 17:47:02 lol Jun 11 17:47:15 jasta: you should be a standup comedian Jun 11 17:47:17 be like, hello mr zookeeper, i would like to borrow mr. fluffy wings over there Jun 11 17:57:39 muthu: right, because that's better than software engineer? Jun 11 17:58:14 lol Jun 11 18:26:50 thunder Jun 11 19:06:29 android-challenge group is closed Jun 11 19:11:35 good, it was gibberish anyway Jun 11 19:12:32 yea, there's only 74 people in here, why do they need another group? Jun 11 19:23:42 there is a prize for anyone who can explain to me how I knew of this song before hearing it "for the first time" today: Tokyo Police Club - Tessellate Jun 11 19:23:51 it must be in a movie soundtrack or something that i have seen Jun 11 19:24:03 or maybe a cover, or a similar vocal style to something else, i dunno Jun 11 19:30:38 maybe your a homo? Jun 11 19:30:43 thats my vote Jun 11 19:30:45 ;) Jun 11 19:48:04 i'm gonna take a crack at using GWT to implement a crude database wrapper for a project at work Jun 11 19:49:13 anything of note happen with your terminal emulator jasta? Jun 11 19:54:52 no, i am very confused however. some engineers are claiming it allocates a UNIX98 pty, but that it does not use JNI. Jun 11 19:54:56 which i feel must be a contradiction. Jun 11 19:56:28 from what I can see it just creates a process for sh Jun 11 19:56:31 but that's it Jun 11 19:56:36 well that's not really a shell Jun 11 19:56:40 err, a terminal Jun 11 19:57:11 it would be missing a lot of functionality that way Jun 11 19:57:35 like? Jun 11 19:57:59 like the ability to perform any termio Jun 11 19:58:29 for instnace? Jun 11 19:58:35 ncurses drawing Jun 11 19:58:49 seems to work though Jun 11 19:59:04 There's a shell available? Jun 11 19:59:16 AttractiveApe: in existence, not available. Jun 11 19:59:48 romainguy_: so how is it doing terminal emulation? does it presume to support VT100? Jun 11 20:00:24 it presumes to emulate a subset of xterm Jun 11 20:00:37 "Missing functionality: text attributes (bold, underline, reverse Jun 11 20:00:37 * video, color) alternate screen cursor key and keypad escape sequences" Jun 11 20:00:50 that is all termio. Jun 11 20:08:06 locked to a carrier i don't use, whee. Jun 11 20:21:09 hey muthu are you around? Jun 11 20:40:16 hey Dougie187 Jun 11 20:43:07 wow, GWT is impressive. Jun 11 20:43:18 building my first real app right now ;) Jun 11 20:43:36 replacing some lame-o MS Access thing we have here Jun 11 20:43:49 yeah, GWT is a cool concept Jun 11 20:44:36 that's how I always thought web development should be Jun 11 20:46:04 diving into it deeper, they have their own RPC mechanism specifically for GWT applications Jun 11 20:46:16 GWT is cool Jun 11 20:46:34 while it looks somewhat non-portable and difficult to deploy in more sophisticated apps, simple things can be developed very quickly using it Jun 11 20:46:35 for doing RIA for web Jun 11 20:47:21 amazing that this is happening in US Jun 11 20:47:35 Went to Washington Mutual in Dublin Blvd in Dublin/Pleasonton to cash Travellers Cheque. After looking at two id's for 10 min, said NO! Jun 11 20:52:51 what? Jun 11 20:52:53 how come muthu Jun 11 20:53:11 yeah! Jun 11 20:53:16 weird things happen here Jun 11 20:54:29 so you can't cash them? Jun 11 20:54:55 not at that bank Jun 11 20:55:07 passport is the only id you need Jun 11 20:55:17 but that's not enough for washington mutual Jun 11 20:55:35 and the manager sits behind locked closed doors Jun 11 20:56:22 i wonder what other strong ID's there could be Jun 11 20:56:25 passport is pretty definitive Jun 11 20:56:34 maybe they need two different ID's? Jun 11 20:57:16 i had two Jun 11 20:57:19 and showed them two Jun 11 20:58:05 travellers cheque.. how hard can this be for banks?? Jun 11 20:58:15 did you cash it somewhere else? Jun 11 20:58:28 so.. has anyone been able to hack android to a real phone/hardware? Jun 11 20:58:33 I've always hated washington mutual Jun 11 20:58:59 zhobbs`: yeah i did Jun 11 20:59:04 went to bank of west Jun 11 20:59:08 and they did the job Jun 11 20:59:41 only 1 id, and they were cool Jun 11 20:59:54 washington mutual at dublin sucks! Jun 11 21:00:12 w.m. wouldn't let my girlfriend deposit a check into my account Jun 11 21:00:17 i told this story to the bank of west people, and they were like WTF? Jun 11 21:00:24 even they couldn't believe this Jun 11 21:00:36 so I gave up on them Jun 11 21:00:55 right, WM is pretty bad Jun 11 21:01:05 will never go there for anything Jun 11 21:01:29 probably not very popular in India anyway :) Jun 11 21:01:50 if you can't cash travellers cheque with proper documents you are not a bank/credit union Jun 11 21:02:10 zhobbs`: looks like WM is not popular here too ;) Jun 11 21:04:32 lammet: yes, many people. Jun 11 21:04:38 but all with limited functionality Jun 11 21:04:59 lammet: also, if you look carefully at the public SDK, you'll see that it is NOT a functional phone stack. Jun 11 21:05:27 oh ok, i havnt looked at it at all ^^^ Jun 11 21:05:29 all the telephony apps are crude or don't exist, so you could never "use" it. Jun 11 21:05:38 lol Jun 11 21:05:54 bummer Jun 11 21:06:03 which is why i continually assert that if you are not a developer, you need to bugger off :) Jun 11 21:06:39 f00f-: hot here in SF :( Jun 11 21:06:46 and Google continually asserts that if you ARE a developer, you need to bugger off :) Jun 11 21:07:01 for shizzle muthu, it's pretty hot here in SJ as well Jun 11 21:07:26 so how many folks on your team now? Jun 11 21:07:31 good in a way.. can walk around Jun 11 21:07:43 f00f-: what do you think? Jun 11 21:07:56 4 ? Jun 11 21:09:17 THERE HE IS! GET HIM! Jun 11 21:09:26 just kidding:-) Jun 11 21:09:41 f00f-: team size :) Jun 11 21:10:01 muthu: yes, what is it? Jun 11 21:10:09 take a guess Jun 11 21:10:11 hehe Jun 11 21:10:25 3 Jun 11 21:10:25 4 Jun 11 21:10:25 5 Jun 11 21:10:25 6 Jun 11 21:10:26 7 Jun 11 21:10:37 i thought you added more since travis Jun 11 21:10:40 93 Jun 11 21:10:41 94 Jun 11 21:10:42 95 Jun 11 21:10:44 96 Jun 11 21:10:46 97 Jun 11 21:10:46 daym Jun 11 21:11:11 we are growing like google Jun 11 21:11:14 lol Jun 11 21:11:17 srs? Jun 11 21:12:04 they're each going to get a dollar if they win Jun 11 21:12:22 exactly Jun 11 21:12:34 and are heading to the dollar tree afterwards ;) Jun 11 21:13:14 heh Jun 11 21:13:37 it must be some cooking app you're cooking up Jun 11 21:14:00 it would be great Jun 11 21:14:48 so it *isn't* ? :) Jun 11 21:18:14 f00f-: how's amsterdam? Jun 11 21:18:17 having fun heh? Jun 11 21:19:03 it just occurred to me that if you're in SF for a month, you must not be employed? Jun 11 21:19:23 jasta: what you mean? Jun 11 21:19:34 are you employed? Jun 11 21:19:45 you want to hire me? Jun 11 21:20:08 no, i just never thought about it before. is this Android thing somehow your source of revenue? Jun 11 21:20:26 haha Jun 11 21:20:41 are you working for INS? Jun 11 21:20:50 lol Jun 11 21:21:32 HAHAHA Jun 11 21:21:35 no, however that does raise another interesting question: why'd they let you in the states for a month without employment? :) Jun 11 21:21:37 muthu: i came back on sunday night Jun 11 21:21:39 it was pretty sweet Jun 11 21:21:50 i spent a few days there, also went to an LBS conference Jun 11 21:21:55 got some good ideas for my app Jun 11 21:22:14 i love amsterdam though... such a different atmosphere comapred to SF Jun 11 21:22:19 outdoor terrace cafe's and bars Jun 11 21:22:27 f00f-: yeah, heard its a great fun place Jun 11 21:22:39 i used public transit all the way from the airport and whilst in downtown Jun 11 21:22:43 my friend's dad lives there Jun 11 21:22:50 hop on a tram if you're too drunk to walk to the next stop, etc. Jun 11 21:23:03 but man, the bicyclists are fierce there Jun 11 21:23:24 you're almost more scared of them than cars Jun 11 21:23:33 haha Jun 11 21:23:41 did you go to one of the famous pubs there Jun 11 21:23:42 ? Jun 11 21:23:53 dont know, i was chilling in rembrandtplain Jun 11 21:24:00 *rembrandtplain Jun 11 21:24:03 which is a night spot Jun 11 21:24:09 europe's biggest LCD display is there too Jun 11 21:24:15 wow Jun 11 21:24:16 i was at a bar right underneath there Jun 11 21:24:19 dont know what it was called Jun 11 21:24:34 *rembrandtplein i meant Jun 11 21:24:46 almost everything is legal in amsterdam.. is that it? Jun 11 21:24:56 f00f did you bring anything back? :-) Jun 11 21:25:10 heh, if you mean drugs, then only light drugs Jun 11 21:25:17 everything is regulated, including prostitution Jun 11 21:25:28 but yeah, i whiffed quite a bit of marijuana there Jun 11 21:25:32 more than i was expecting Jun 11 21:25:36 dmoffett, no souvenirs :) Jun 11 21:25:43 someone said US is so conservative, compared to europe Jun 11 21:25:45 that is a good thing. Jun 11 21:26:08 muthu: does that surprise you? Jun 11 21:26:10 although apparently the current gov't there is trying to crack down Jun 11 21:26:11 dmoffett: the customs are pretty strict here Jun 11 21:26:21 jasta: yes Jun 11 21:26:24 Yep Jun 11 21:26:29 muthu: then you don't know much about either ;) Jun 11 21:26:45 i'm learning about US now Jun 11 21:26:50 rofl Jun 11 21:26:53 read the first paragraph of any early American history lecture :) Jun 11 21:26:54 haven't been to europe yet Jun 11 21:27:05 and you should have a good understand why the US would be more conservative than Europe Jun 11 21:27:09 understanding* Jun 11 21:27:19 jasta: i learn a lot from you ;) Jun 11 21:27:22 haha Jun 11 21:27:38 prefer learning from people, than books Jun 11 21:27:56 the other day was in bart with this old guy Jun 11 21:28:00 man that was knowledge! Jun 11 21:28:21 you do realize that people often just make things up, right? Jun 11 21:28:24 we were so busy talking about india/us and the culture and everything.. it was great Jun 11 21:28:52 jasta: yeah, but we weren't bullshitting.. we were talking about life Jun 11 21:29:07 lots of interesting people ride bart, if you go up on the richmond line -- 'local flavor' Jun 11 21:29:26 what he means is 'bums' :) Jun 11 21:29:57 lol Jun 11 21:30:21 jasta, 95% of statistics are total horse shit Jun 11 21:31:50 yeah numbers don't mean a thing Jun 11 21:33:19 lol, he's agreeing with your statistic ;) Jun 11 21:34:00 sleep time Jun 11 21:34:38 i saw a public service ad on TV that said 1 in 4 of every fatal car crash involving a teenager between 16 and 19 had the driver testing positive for THC, indicating a pattern of marijuana abuse. Jun 11 21:35:14 if you follow the statistic, you see that actually about 1 in 5 of every American child between 16 and 19 and at any given point would test positive for THC :) Jun 11 21:35:23 jasta: davidw did not give any statistics Jun 11 21:35:39 i always thought that was pretty fun :) Jun 11 21:35:57 i mean, for most people, THC will be detectable a month after use. Jun 11 21:38:25 hell, f00f just came back from amsterdam so he'll test positive :) Jun 11 21:38:54 well, i didn't smoke, i inhaled :) Jun 11 21:39:15 do you not smoke? Jun 11 21:39:27 i'm not a smoker of any thing Jun 11 21:39:28 haha Jun 11 21:39:38 f00f-: so you went to the pub? Jun 11 21:39:40 me neither, except when ive been drinking. Jun 11 21:39:54 i hate smoking Jun 11 21:39:57 well yeah muthu Jun 11 21:40:03 f00f-: good :) Jun 11 21:40:15 they have these really super small bars Jun 11 21:40:20 literally one room, maybe fits 20 people Jun 11 21:40:30 esp. near red light district Jun 11 21:40:33 is it like the hookah one's here Jun 11 21:40:51 smaller, i'd say Jun 11 21:40:59 and lots of hole-in-the-wall restaurants Jun 11 21:41:02 if you want to call them that Jun 11 21:41:08 basically room+kitchen Jun 11 21:41:38 yeah, heard apartments are pretty small there Jun 11 21:42:10 f00f-: went around biking golden gate bridge.. that was cool Jun 11 21:42:55 nice! i've never done that. Jun 11 21:43:07 what? Jun 11 21:43:16 you've been living here for how long? Jun 11 21:43:25 i've never been to the Space Needle :) Jun 11 21:43:31 i generally don't bike due to fear of getting creamed by a car Jun 11 21:43:38 oh oh Jun 11 21:43:43 there are really no safe bike lanes here in CA Jun 11 21:43:44 but i general i know Jun 11 21:43:52 even i've never been to some places in chennai Jun 11 21:43:59 you ignore local stuff Jun 11 21:44:07 of course, i've walked across the GG :) Jun 11 21:44:32 f00f-: what's the plan for the weekend? Jun 11 21:45:21 nothig yet, are you in the city? Jun 11 21:45:42 or staying still in pleasanton Jun 11 21:45:55 i went around the last 2 days Jun 11 21:46:02 so staying at home Jun 11 21:46:06 ah ok Jun 11 21:46:15 jasta, btw, did you go to the irish bankk while in SF? Jun 11 21:46:16 i can come over, if you have something good planned Jun 11 21:46:18 the one by china town Jun 11 21:46:22 yeah Jun 11 21:46:35 that place was cool. they had that confessional seating Jun 11 21:47:06 yesterday walked around china town Jun 11 21:47:11 hah ok, i've never been but always curious whenever i passed it Jun 11 21:47:31 i bet it's hoppin on weekends, but we were there on a Wed night of course. Jun 11 21:47:33 the entrance doesn't exacty look inviting, but then again i believe that's the idea Jun 11 21:47:48 f00f-: where exactly is that? Jun 11 21:47:57 i want to go there sometimes Jun 11 21:48:03 f00f-: you mean the alley? :) Jun 11 21:48:05 let me look it up Jun 11 21:48:09 jasta: yes exactly :P Jun 11 21:48:25 i was too drunk to be concerned about trivial details like that. Jun 11 21:49:20 what's this irish coffee thing? Jun 11 21:49:22 heh Jun 11 21:49:28 irish cream? Jun 11 21:49:34 irish coffee? Jun 11 21:49:46 hehe Jun 11 21:49:51 depends who you ask Jun 11 21:50:00 a real irishmen? whiskey and black coffee Jun 11 21:50:18 right Jun 11 21:50:20 some yuppy? bailey's and coffee with sugar Jun 11 21:50:21 guess that's the one Jun 11 21:50:27 HAHA Jun 11 21:50:54 fyi, irish coffee's are *the* drink for after snowboarding :) Jun 11 21:51:00 coffees* Jun 11 21:51:06 hmm Jun 11 21:53:55 hey muthu do the google people frequent the ADC1 room? Jun 11 21:54:15 well there is morrildl Jun 11 21:54:16 lol Jun 11 21:54:58 Dougie187: a few are there Jun 11 21:55:13 ok Jun 11 21:55:29 but this chan is definitely more bumpin than adc chan Jun 11 21:55:33 morrildl: nice topic :) Jun 11 21:56:03 f00f-: there's an ADC channel? Jun 11 21:56:46 morrildl: #adc1 is open Jun 11 21:56:58 morrildl: an email was sent to the mailing list with the details Jun 11 21:57:00 muthu: I thought about quoting jasta's line about being too drunk to be concerned, but thought that would be mean :) Jun 11 21:57:13 heh Jun 11 21:57:26 ok meeting time :X Jun 11 21:57:31 ahh :) Jun 11 21:57:43 f00f-: have fun ;) Jun 11 21:58:57 is that topic even funny? i don't get it? Jun 11 21:59:26 jasta: it's funny because it's random :) Jun 11 21:59:38 at least you could apply my correction :) Jun 11 21:59:53 but then I'd be editorializing ;) Jun 11 22:00:33 morrildl: if you look at the chat history that me and jasta were having some time back, you'll find a lot of interesting stuff to quote ;) Jun 11 22:02:26 * jasta starts building the server-side part to this GWT project Jun 11 22:02:43 hows rhythm box? Jun 11 22:05:05 it's going well, i finally got moving with the libsyncml devs and figured out how to build a featureful client with libsyncml (it's awful, but at least i have something to go on) Jun 11 22:05:15 shouldn't be too long now Jun 11 22:05:31 pretty busy on the weekends though, so progress is not great. Jun 11 22:05:56 also, i started playing DotA again, so that is bad for productivity ;) Jun 11 22:06:24 lol Jun 11 22:06:25 of course Jun 11 22:14:49 do you run WC3 in wine? Jun 11 22:15:04 oh, nm you have cedega right? Jun 11 22:18:36 i use cedega Jun 11 22:30:58 Dougie187: do you play? Jun 11 22:31:09 i use to play DOTA all the time Jun 11 22:31:12 but i havent played it in a while Jun 11 22:31:18 you should start up and play with us :) Jun 11 22:31:50 i have to find my cds Jun 11 22:32:31 just torrent it. we don't play on b.net, we use pptp and then play "LAN" games ;) Jun 11 22:32:47 heh Jun 11 22:32:52 hamamamachi Jun 11 22:45:46 hi all Jun 11 22:45:57 hi Jun 11 22:46:29 hi Jun 11 22:47:16 duey: what's hamamamachi? Jun 11 22:47:21 Friends...know where found tutorials, ebooks about android... Jun 11 22:47:26 muthu: hamachi Jun 11 22:47:51 AttractiveApe: is it like hi? Jun 11 22:48:01 Razec: anddev.org, helloandroid.com Jun 11 22:48:09 muthu: not sure what hi is :) Jun 11 22:48:14 oh. Jun 11 22:48:14 hi Jun 11 22:48:18 as in the greeting. Jun 11 22:48:20 no Jun 11 22:48:25 hamachi - what's this? Jun 11 22:48:40 muthu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamachi Jun 11 22:48:48 oh the wiki Jun 11 22:48:49 muthu: it's also a type of sushi ;P Jun 11 22:49:08 went to the sushi bar the other day Jun 11 22:49:17 it was so colorful Jun 11 22:49:22 muthu checking now...thanks a lot Jun 11 22:49:27 Razec: welcome Jun 11 22:49:43 didn't try octopus though Jun 11 22:50:15 muthu: what did you try? Jun 11 22:50:27 fried tuna Jun 11 22:50:34 crab Jun 11 22:50:42 some mixed fish Jun 11 22:50:48 shrimp tempura Jun 11 22:51:06 actually must say, didn't try many of the good looking stuff Jun 11 22:51:08 any raw tuna / salmon / clam? Jun 11 22:51:20 not really Jun 11 22:51:25 may be next time Jun 11 22:51:28 chicken ;P Jun 11 22:51:37 haha Jun 11 22:52:15 its the sushi boat bar or something Jun 11 22:52:22 where it comes around in the boat Jun 11 22:52:48 Jun 11 22:52:48 you have some application in a mobile Android Jun 11 22:53:12 muthu: oh, where it's on the conveyor belt? Jun 11 22:53:21 muthu some mobile Jun 11 22:53:27 AttractiveApe: no, its on water Jun 11 22:53:34 ah Jun 11 22:53:39 I really hate those concepts ;) Jun 11 22:53:46 its all trembling Jun 11 22:53:59 The food could be out for an hour, any nobody would know :/ Jun 11 22:54:00 and you can really wreck a boat if you are over excited Jun 11 22:54:12 AttractiveApe: yeah guess so Jun 11 22:54:22 but the chef was there cranking fresh stuff Jun 11 22:54:36 and you can order from him direct if you want Jun 11 22:54:49 Razec: helloandroid.com has all the android apps listed Jun 11 22:55:20 muthu ok ;) Jun 11 22:55:30 Razec: you new to android? Jun 11 22:56:01 muthu yes.. Jun 11 22:56:07 ok cool Jun 11 22:56:11 android is good stuff! Jun 11 22:57:37 Razec: do note that the next public SDK is not set to release for quite some time, with the current one already somewhat old. Jun 11 22:58:02 muthu now I'm identifying with him looking for tutorials, ebooks to start learning. Jun 11 22:58:11 Razec: so if you develop anything significant you will need to invest some substantial time porting its implementation to the new version when it is launched Jun 11 22:58:52 the porting must not be a big deal Jun 11 22:58:54 Razec: because of this, i'd recommend waiting until that release comes to get involved. Jun 11 22:59:24 i recommed build you stuff without worrying about the future sdk's Jun 11 23:00:43 Jun 11 23:00:43 Because learning is never enough Jun 11 23:01:05 Razec: where you from? Jun 11 23:01:44 muthu Brazil...my english much bad =) Jun 11 23:01:55 sorry Jun 11 23:02:02 don't worry about your english Jun 11 23:02:15 it sounds good Jun 11 23:02:35 jasta I believe in the android...to future.. Jun 11 23:03:07 Razec: Ok, but I recommend you wait until the next release as the current one is going to be very out of date. Jun 11 23:03:56 muthu android very interesting...When see my hello world...=) every change.... Jun 11 23:04:11 we're changing the APIs but we're not doign a rewrite from scratch either Jun 11 23:04:12 Razec: android is the future Jun 11 23:04:24 I guess you can ask zhobbs` for instance if the migration was hard Jun 11 23:04:30 (hope it wasn't :) Jun 11 23:04:35 Razec: android makes mobile application development easy and fun Jun 11 23:04:48 migration was not hard Jun 11 23:04:59 haha Jun 11 23:05:16 zhobbs`: might have a different opinion ;) Jun 11 23:06:03 romainguy_: you're also fixing significant bugs. do you really want to restart this discussion? Jun 11 23:06:25 jasta: you busy? ;) Jun 11 23:06:30 it depends on what kind of application you write Jun 11 23:06:37 sure MediaPlayer is busted in M5 Jun 11 23:06:54 but as far as I can tell, a bunch of developers were able to build functional applications with it Jun 11 23:06:59 * jasta points out that he can reliably crash the debugger Jun 11 23:07:15 also, watch expressions were disabled in M5. Jun 11 23:07:26 in fact, evaluating expressions at all doesn't work in the ADT. Jun 11 23:10:00 Razec: also, i would avoid the assumption that Android is going to otherwise change the mobile industry. Google has clarified that their strategy is a subtle one, to lead by example. It may yet happen, but it will take quite some time. Jun 11 23:10:56 jasta: Android will change the mobile space Jun 11 23:11:00 In other words, the existing business models are expected to remain in tact when Android launches. Jun 11 23:11:29 a free open mobile o/s will change the mobile market Jun 11 23:12:04 really Jun 11 23:12:33 Razec: what phone popular in brazil? Jun 11 23:13:58 Razec: Also do realize that Google has structured the project so that carriers and manufacturers can (and will) still have their proprietary pieces. Jun 11 23:14:18 For example, Google does not expect telephony drivers to be open sourced. Jun 11 23:14:50 Brazil checking some models http://www.americanas.com.br/busca/smartphone Jun 11 23:14:57 Also, Google has not committed to releasing source for any applications on the phone. So, it is possible that the home screne, dialer, browser, etc will all be closed as well. Jun 11 23:15:47 Razec: looks like palm is pretty popular Jun 11 23:16:11 jasta: Google strategy seems to be a good one Jun 11 23:16:28 I agree in the sense that it is the only strategy that can work. Jun 11 23:16:35 correct Jun 11 23:16:40 However, it will be a very slow one to work. Jun 11 23:17:15 I expect at launch time to have no surprises: the phones will be locked to a carrier, will require plans particular to Android devices, etc. Jun 11 23:17:33 muthu today in Brazil...pay expensive in mobile... Jun 11 23:17:37 And also will be running a large potion of closed source software. Jun 11 23:17:48 Razec: agree, same thing in india Jun 11 23:18:34 jasta with opensource (android).... every change.. Jun 11 23:19:02 Right, every change. Hehe. Jun 11 23:19:23 brothers sorry my english =) ahhha Jun 11 23:19:31 I know, you're from .br :) Jun 11 23:20:05 I'm learning english and ANDROID =) Jun 11 23:20:09 Razec: things will change for sure Jun 11 23:20:30 The system of education there does not emphasize English, we know ;) Jun 11 23:20:44 yes .... Jun 11 23:20:48 android can run on many devices, from dumb to smart Jun 11 23:20:58 It's the same in the US *hehe, political jab* Jun 11 23:21:49 muthu: Well, actually the set is well defined as those that can run Linux. Jun 11 23:22:04 Which very few can currently do well. Jun 11 23:22:44 Hopefully that will change relatively quickly. Android should hopefully collect a nice sampling of well-supported Linux devices, even if through tainted drivers. Jun 11 23:25:36 And realistically, tainted drivers written by the chip makers are at least likely to be of much higher quality than reverse engineered ones ;) Jun 11 23:27:17 yeah Jun 11 23:28:23 The problem with proprietary drivers, though, are that the makers tend to abandon them in a very short while. Especially if there is no unified driver set. Jun 11 23:28:39 So you have to do massive backporting work to get stuff to fit around the Linux version they were written against. Jun 11 23:28:58 a big reason why even modern openwrt installations have to run Linux 2.4 for example. Jun 11 23:29:44 iirc, openwrt runs 2.6 Jun 11 23:31:36 only with certain drivers. the original devices that OpenWRT was hacked onto still must run 2.4, even in the kamikaze tree. Jun 11 23:31:52 and this is because the broadcom chip is closed source, and was never updated by the manufacturer to work with 2.6. Jun 11 23:32:01 ah Jun 11 23:32:16 not sure what my wrt is running at home :) Jun 11 23:32:24 other hardware devices, ones that use atheros or madwifi for example, use 2.6. Jun 11 23:32:58 that will certainly happen to Android as well. Jun 11 23:33:17 the devices that get launched now will be replaced in a year or two, and the chipset maker will abandon the driver. Jun 11 23:33:38 so if you want to use an older chip for some lower powered, cheap device you're gonna have to backport the crap out of Android kernel modifications to get recent software to run on them Jun 11 23:34:03 it's the evils of the proprietary model. Jun 12 01:15:44 markf: ping **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 12 01:23:10 2008 Jun 12 02:39:33 jasta see you tomorrow Jun 12 02:39:50 muthu cya **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 12 02:59:57 2008