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Jun 13 03:01:16 <Razec> hi all
Jun 13 03:01:26 <Razec> muthu hi
Jun 13 03:01:39 <Razec> jasta hi
Jun 13 03:10:44 <zhobbs> dmoffett: good recommendation, I'll have to d/l some more episodes :)
Jun 13 03:12:21 <muthu> Razec: hi
Jun 13 03:13:10 <Razec> muthu: what's up?
Jun 13 03:13:21 <muthu> everything cool!
Jun 13 03:13:52 <Razec> =)
Jun 13 03:15:46 <muthu> what's up with you?
Jun 13 03:17:51 <Razec> muthu Fine...Checking http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/
Jun 13 03:17:57 <muthu> great
Jun 13 03:19:01 <Razec> muthu today I`m read about ddms.. =)
Jun 13 07:23:07 <sleepydroid> good morning all
Jun 13 07:23:56 <cutmasta> mornin
Jun 13 07:40:36 <jasta> yawn
Jun 13 07:40:56 <duey> ing
Jun 13 12:34:52 <Dougie187> Good Morning Everyone
Jun 13 13:15:05 <michaelnovakjr_1> good morning Dougie187
Jun 13 13:26:47 <Dougie187> hows it going michaelnovakjr_1?
Jun 13 13:26:56 <michaelnovakjr_1> not too bad yourself?
Jun 13 13:27:02 <Dougie187> not bad either
Jun 13 13:27:23 <michaelnovakjr_1> its friday!!
Jun 13 13:27:27 <Dougie187> heh
Jun 13 13:27:32 <Dougie187> every day is friday for me.
Jun 13 13:27:37 <Dougie187> but the weekend is better
Jun 13 13:27:41 <Dougie187> because my wife is around
Jun 13 13:49:11 <sleepydroid> afternoon
Jun 13 14:51:19 <kirkt> is the intention of contentproviders so that they'll be implemented?
Jun 13 14:51:35 <kirkt> like, can i implement a contentprovider that will store stuff on S3 transparently?
Jun 13 14:51:44 <buster_> s3?
Jun 13 14:52:14 <kirkt> any web storage
Jun 13 14:52:33 <buster_> there are some contentproviders already implemented (contacts for example) and the intention is that you make your data available to others through contentproviders and some common interface
Jun 13 14:53:11 <kirkt> i see. so they're more like services that i have, not intended for implementation
Jun 13 15:12:49 <kirkt> another question. we have developed a software product for 12 different handheld phones so far, and the next step is android and iphone
Jun 13 15:13:32 <kirkt> i've done some of the android walkthroughs, and i was wondering if anyone has also experience with the iphone sdk
Jun 13 15:13:52 <kirkt> how different is it and which is the easiest to grasp? (we might drop one of the two, time constraints)
Jun 13 15:15:41 <buster_> i had the impression development on iphone was done using objective c, as opposed to java on android
Jun 13 15:16:01 <buster_> and of course id vote for android, but i am biased ;)
Jun 13 15:21:19 <kirkt> well if theres no one here with iphone experience i guess no one ditched the iphone sdk in favor of android :)
Jun 13 15:29:36 <jasta> kirkt: be aware that most of the folks here are early adopters of Android, which put us in a position to be Android "experts" before the iPhone SDK was even available.
Jun 13 15:29:56 <jasta> We are so deeply invested at this point that many of us were not interested in even looking seriously at the iPhone SDK.
Jun 13 15:30:08 <buster_> i compared some platforms recently, so i took a look into windows, symbian, iphone and android. but as i have no iphone, or other apple stuff the look was only a brief one :p
Jun 13 15:30:39 <jasta> I have worked with Symbian s60 and Windows Mobile personally, and I can say that Android was certainly a pleasure by comparison.
Jun 13 15:31:41 <jasta> However I do want to caution you that due to political nonsense, Google has elected to space the next public release several months apart from the current one.
Jun 13 15:31:59 <jasta> So, it is a much safer bet to wait until the platform is officially launched before you begin implemented your code.
Jun 13 15:32:13 <jasta> That said, if being "first to market" on Android is critical to your business, then this advice of course does not apply.
Jun 13 15:32:31 <kirkt> well i thought it was already launched
Jun 13 15:32:38 <buster_> nooo
Jun 13 15:32:58 <kirkt> this means we'll get a gui builder?
Jun 13 15:33:12 <kirkt> (im familiar with the 3rd party one)
Jun 13 15:33:12 <jasta> kirkt: No, in fact, source code is currently unavailable, and winners of the "Android Challenge" are under NDA with Google which entitles them to receive SDK updates.
Jun 13 15:33:24 <buster_> they are still working on the sdk, you can download a beta version, there is no stable "1.0" sdk or devices yet
Jun 13 15:33:49 <jasta> As I said, due to political reasons, it is best not to adopt the platform at this uncertain point.
Jun 13 15:34:22 <buster_> kirkt, what gui builder? personally i write lots in xml, because its really not much to write and sometimes use droidraw.org
Jun 13 15:34:29 <kirkt> well, as long as they'll put some productivity boosters like code templates and snippets i woudnt care
Jun 13 15:34:32 <jasta> kirkt: I expect Google to rely on the community to produce a GUI builder, but I do not know that for sure.
Jun 13 15:34:58 <kirkt> buster_ dont remeber it by name
Jun 13 15:35:11 <jasta> Also, I do not expect Google to produce a lot of hand-holding tools and features in Android.  They are not interested in half-assed programming for their platform.
Jun 13 15:35:39 <kirkt> boilerplate coding isn't half assed
Jun 13 15:35:54 <jasta> Yes, it is.
Jun 13 15:36:21 <jasta> It discourages thoughtful design.
Jun 13 15:36:44 <kirkt> well thats a phylosophical discussion
Jun 13 15:37:02 <jasta> Right, but one which I can reasonably assume Google's position on.
Jun 13 15:37:19 <kirkt> which isn't necessarily the right now
Jun 13 15:37:21 <kirkt> one
Jun 13 15:37:28 <jasta> Doesn't matter, does it?
Jun 13 15:37:46 <kirkt> it matters when iphone is around, at $199 a pop :)
Jun 13 15:38:05 <jasta> are you one of those people that bought into that?
Jun 13 15:38:20 <jasta> AT&T raised the contract price by $10/mo (on a minimum 2 year contract).
Jun 13 15:38:25 <jasta> Do the math, buddy.
Jun 13 15:38:28 <kirkt> i'm aware of that
Jun 13 15:38:41 <Dougie187> you can get an iphone in europe for like 800 uncontracted.
Jun 13 15:38:41 <jasta> iPhone is giving you a leasing option, but the price has not come down.
Jun 13 15:39:03 <kirkt> but still it doesn't matter, they just increased their market with that pricetag, mischieving or not
Jun 13 15:39:04 <michaelnovakjr_1> att 10/mo fee is for all 3G phones
Jun 13 15:39:23 <jasta> michaelnovakjr_1: Not with existing contracts.
Jun 13 15:39:39 <jasta> And not if you don't intend to buy a new subsidized phone.
Jun 13 15:39:40 <michaelnovakjr_1> of course, i don't think that is legal
Jun 13 15:40:01 <jasta> Phone subsidies have got to stop :)
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