**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 19 02:59:57 2008 Jun 19 07:32:23 morning Jun 19 17:12:12 pretty quiet in here Jun 19 17:16:18 *crickets* Jun 19 17:16:55 how's it going? Jun 19 17:17:23 good Jun 19 17:17:28 you? Jun 19 17:17:42 not bad Jun 19 17:18:07 still trying to get rid of my macbook pro Jun 19 17:18:40 intel? Jun 19 17:18:57 yep Jun 19 17:19:03 how old, how much you want? Jun 19 17:19:12 what size, etc Jun 19 17:19:31 its a 2.16 core duo, 2GB ram, 100GB hard drive, 15.4 inch glossy screen Jun 19 17:19:38 i'm asking now for 1300 Jun 19 17:20:33 its in great shape, i'm getting rid of it because I am looking to get a 13 inch linux laptop Jun 19 17:21:26 when did you buy it? Jun 19 17:21:47 06 i believe Jun 19 17:22:00 got the original box too :) Jun 19 17:22:10 i'm anal about my computers Jun 19 17:22:32 does ubuntu run well on it? Jun 19 17:22:41 in vmware sure Jun 19 17:22:51 that is actually what I was running Jun 19 17:23:03 ubuntu 8.04 in vmware fusion Jun 19 17:24:01 hmm, I should probably upgrade my desktop first Jun 19 17:24:06 even though mylaptop is on it's last legs Jun 19 17:24:19 what kind of laptop do you have? Jun 19 17:24:23 dell Jun 19 17:24:36 what's your desktop? Jun 19 17:24:41 screen has vertical lines in it, keys are falling off, etc Jun 19 17:24:45 haha Jun 19 17:24:57 i've got one of those.... my old thinkpad is like that Jun 19 17:25:02 home built athlon 2 Ghz... Jun 19 17:25:22 I was looking at getting a quad core intel for the desktop Jun 19 17:25:42 my desktop i built too, i put an athlon x2 dual core, like a 2.8 with 4gb ram Jun 19 17:25:51 i am holding out for the amd quads Jun 19 17:26:07 the one I have now is fast so I can afford to wai Jun 19 17:26:08 t Jun 19 17:28:04 so yea, I am looking to get a 13in. xps with mandriva Jun 19 17:28:16 i don't use the mac side very much if at all Jun 19 17:28:53 built this wishlist 2 weeks ago, came down $250 already: Jun 19 17:28:54 http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=7683151 Jun 19 17:29:11 that's what I was thinking about for my desktop Jun 19 17:29:32 hmmm, mobo is gone Jun 19 17:29:38 that's why it came down!! :) Jun 19 17:31:14 what kind of board are you going to put in it? Jun 19 17:31:29 8800 GT is a good graphics choice Jun 19 17:31:58 how come not looking at the xeon? Jun 19 17:33:13 don't know :) Jun 19 17:34:03 my board will support 16gigs of ram Jun 19 17:38:34 actually, I can get one of these for $229 through a friend: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115026 Jun 19 17:39:52 I just gotta take a bunch of online intel sessions/games Jun 19 17:45:06 damn Jun 19 17:45:16 that's one expensive chip Jun 19 17:45:39 how do you get one for $229 and why wouldn't you! Jun 19 17:45:55 i'm not a hardcore intel fan and i would certainly do that Jun 19 17:53:23 yeah, I'm going to try to get that Jun 19 17:53:42 intel hooks up retail people, and he works at circuit city Jun 19 17:56:07 hey michaelnovakjr, do you pay for mandriva? Jun 19 17:56:50 i guess i mean the powerpack thing. Jun 19 17:57:03 Dougie187: nope Jun 19 17:57:12 have you ever tried it? Jun 19 17:57:19 mandriva? Jun 19 17:57:26 no the powerpack Jun 19 17:57:29 oh nope Jun 19 17:57:30 http://www.mandriva.com/en/product/mandriva-linux-powerpack Jun 19 17:57:32 just mandriva Jun 19 17:57:49 didn't look into the powerpack, i'm happy with mandriva Jun 19 17:58:01 are you doing one or free? Jun 19 17:58:02 the screenshot i sent yesterday is my mandriva machine Jun 19 17:58:06 yeah Jun 19 17:59:01 Which version are you running? Jun 19 17:59:06 One or Free? Jun 19 17:59:15 Mandriva One Jun 19 18:00:01 Ill download it and try out the live cd Jun 19 18:00:15 sweet, i am using the xfce cd Jun 19 18:00:24 the default is kde Jun 19 18:00:30 yuck.. Jun 19 18:00:30 lol Jun 19 18:00:33 im not a kde fan Jun 19 18:00:34 i found the xfce link on google Jun 19 18:01:41 ftp://download.tuxfamily.org/mcc/xfcelive/i586/int/ Jun 19 18:07:07 ive only tried xfce once. Jun 19 18:07:09 it was pretty cool. Jun 19 18:07:16 i always thought about switching to xubuntu Jun 19 18:07:25 i take it you enjoy xfce? Jun 19 18:07:38 yes i do Jun 19 18:08:00 what do you like about it over gnome? Jun 19 18:10:30 its fast Jun 19 18:10:31 lol why doesnt ubuntu change the default media played from totem to mplayer Jun 19 18:10:32 or vlc? Jun 19 18:10:44 no idea :) Jun 19 18:10:56 customizing was really easy too Jun 19 18:11:06 as you can see it does look like a particular distro Jun 19 18:11:10 did you ever try xubuntu? Jun 19 18:11:48 yea Jun 19 18:11:56 guy i work with uses it too Jun 19 18:12:10 he likes it Jun 19 18:12:16 he's running 7.10 though Jun 19 18:12:22 did you like xubuntu? Jun 19 18:12:43 yea, i've just found ubuntu in general to be a bit buggy Jun 19 18:12:53 with what? Jun 19 18:12:54 i've tried kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu Jun 19 18:13:07 yawn Jun 19 18:13:15 my browser would not start, media player wouldn't have sound, terminal would freeze Jun 19 18:14:05 thats no good. Jun 19 18:14:09 ive never had those issues. Jun 19 18:15:51 yea, i've heard it happen to some people but not others Jun 19 18:16:14 package management in ubuntu is far superior than any other distro i think Jun 19 18:16:49 is mandriva debian based? Jun 19 18:17:29 nope Jun 19 18:18:15 whats it based on? Jun 19 18:20:58 RedHat, i thought Jun 19 18:21:23 yea Jun 19 18:21:26 it uses rpms Jun 19 18:21:37 so you use yum? Jun 19 18:21:44 rpmdrake Jun 19 18:21:52 lol is it better then yum? Jun 19 18:21:58 i think so Jun 19 18:22:03 ok. Jun 19 18:22:05 i was never a fan of yum Jun 19 18:22:05 because yum sucks balls Jun 19 18:22:11 its slower then anything. Jun 19 18:22:16 its really good for searching Jun 19 18:22:27 but it is slower then crap for installing and updating Jun 19 18:22:35 synaptic is awesome Jun 19 18:22:45 if apt-cache could search as good as yum it would be amazing. Jun 19 18:22:51 apt-get is really fast though Jun 19 18:23:05 yea Jun 19 18:24:15 i use compiz-fusion on the xfce too Jun 19 18:24:35 thats cool Jun 19 18:25:13 and emerald to get my theme Jun 19 18:25:36 heh Jun 19 18:25:47 ugh Jun 19 18:26:05 ugh? Jun 19 18:26:29 lol i bet hes a redhat fan. Jun 19 18:27:40 piss off Jun 19 18:27:42 i'm a debian guy Jun 19 18:27:46 heh Jun 19 18:27:49 although as of late Jun 19 18:27:52 i am pissed off at debian Jun 19 18:27:55 dude to their openssl patches Jun 19 18:28:03 i've lost trust for debian security team Jun 19 18:28:06 i have been noticing those as well Jun 19 18:28:14 i mean ptaching that shit Jun 19 18:28:18 it's complete bullshit Jun 19 18:28:19 is silly. Jun 19 18:28:23 people that have no clue about openssl Jun 19 18:28:26 shouldn't be allowed to maintain it Jun 19 18:28:30 (on debian side i mean) Jun 19 18:29:15 write them a letter Jun 19 18:29:38 sell me a stamp and a bong Jun 19 18:29:52 ask muthu hes close to you Jun 19 18:30:10 heh Jun 19 18:30:23 hell hed buy you a bong. Jun 19 18:30:34 with that 25k hes sitting on Jun 19 18:30:39 he's got time on his hands Jun 19 18:30:42 what 25k? Jun 19 18:30:43 yeah Jun 19 18:30:49 stuck in san fran :) Jun 19 18:30:51 ~10 days to kill Jun 19 18:30:52 lol Jun 19 18:31:02 haha, spend all my money now Jun 19 18:31:05 you guys can go down to fillmore street and smoke with all of them Jun 19 18:31:08 broke! Jun 19 18:31:19 he's just pissing the money away Jun 19 18:31:32 you get me that laptop yet muthu? Jun 19 18:31:33 lol Jun 19 18:31:40 Dougie187: too late Jun 19 18:31:45 :( Jun 19 18:31:46 every cent had been pissed off ;) Jun 19 18:32:16 ok, well you have to buy f00f- a stamp and a bong so he can write a letter to the maintainers of openssl Jun 19 18:32:33 and complain about the recent increase of patches they have been creating Jun 19 18:32:38 f00f-: has a lot of money left Jun 19 18:32:43 :D Jun 19 18:32:47 oh you do? Jun 19 18:32:56 lol. do you guys have access to each others bank accounts or something? Jun 19 18:33:02 haha Jun 19 18:33:11 trust me, you dont want access to my account Jun 19 18:33:16 you guys arnt dating are you? Jun 19 18:33:23 hehe Jun 19 18:33:24 :) Jun 19 18:33:31 ok Dougie187, go smoke a bong, cause that's where i draw the line Jun 19 18:33:33 NOT FUNY Jun 19 18:33:39 lol Jun 19 18:33:42 lol Jun 19 18:33:48 everyone else likes it. Jun 19 18:33:58 Dougie187: don't count me Jun 19 18:34:16 (02:33:24 PM) muthu: hehe and (02:33:42 PM) muthu: lol = muthu likes it. Jun 19 18:34:33 i just take it easy, i'm a wise man! Jun 19 18:34:40 two laughs withing 20 seconds of each other. Jun 19 18:34:43 within* Jun 19 18:34:48 loo Jun 19 18:35:15 :) Jun 19 18:36:33 hey, friendfeed is cool Jun 19 18:36:40 what is that? Jun 19 18:37:02 probably another dumb social site Jun 19 18:37:23 lol Jun 19 18:37:28 where you feed your friends. Jun 19 18:37:31 yea Jun 19 18:37:36 you give them fish food Jun 19 18:37:38 food stamps Jun 19 18:37:39 and watch them grow Jun 19 18:37:52 then you can take your friends. and fight other peoples friends Jun 19 18:38:02 who ever has the most friends at the end of the fight wins Jun 19 18:38:11 i would probably lose :) Jun 19 18:38:25 last.fm ! Jun 19 18:38:26 fail Jun 19 18:38:32 maybe its an RSS Feed Site. where it sends you a list of friends that you have currently. Jun 19 18:38:38 just in case you forget Jun 19 18:38:53 haha Jun 19 18:39:22 or its a feed site that sends you emails to make you look like you have friends even when you don't! Jun 19 18:39:34 heh maybe Jun 19 18:39:36 its a feed of other people's emails :) Jun 19 18:40:11 "Hey Michael, I hope we get to play with your PS3 later today -Bob" Jun 19 18:40:35 haha Jun 19 18:40:40 friendfeed is another social networking site Jun 19 18:40:43 you get like 30 emails like that Jun 19 18:40:46 but built by former googlers Jun 19 18:40:52 so looks kinda neat Jun 19 18:40:53 muthu, thanks for clearing that up :) Jun 19 18:40:57 what isnt built by former googlers? Jun 19 18:41:03 msn Jun 19 18:41:08 haha Jun 19 18:41:11 yahoo Jun 19 18:41:15 i bet they claim to have at least one former googler. Jun 19 18:41:15 apple Jun 19 18:41:29 but the word former googler is vague. Jun 19 18:41:31 why would you leave google? Jun 19 18:41:36 it could just be someone who use to use google. Jun 19 18:41:40 unless you mopped the floors? Jun 19 18:41:42 lot of people have left google Jun 19 18:41:52 change from searching with google to yahoo. Jun 19 18:41:59 michaelnovakjr: if you had made your money, then you move Jun 19 18:42:01 "Im a former Googler!" Jun 19 18:42:05 flac is an orgasm for your ears :) Jun 19 18:42:11 FF is becoming huge Jun 19 18:42:37 **sprinkles salt** Jun 19 18:42:53 man. i hope social networking dies off in the next decade or so. Jun 19 18:42:59 nope Jun 19 18:43:01 me too Jun 19 18:43:04 i hate it Jun 19 18:43:05 that's the next thing Jun 19 18:43:05 there is enough social networking out there. Jun 19 18:43:11 like what? Jun 19 18:43:14 its the most irritating thing in the whole world. Jun 19 18:43:18 dude it already is the thing Jun 19 18:43:23 facebook and myspace are all people need. Jun 19 18:43:24 now that thing needs to die Jun 19 18:43:31 although myspace is more for stalkers. Jun 19 18:43:41 linkedin is good Jun 19 18:43:53 linkedin got me my job Jun 19 18:43:53 none of them are good muthu. Jun 19 18:43:58 i hate to say it. Jun 19 18:44:05 Dougie187: there's value in them Jun 19 18:44:09 did any of you guys ever use orkut? Jun 19 18:44:15 may be you don't know how to use them Jun 19 18:44:16 value??????? Jun 19 18:44:18 Not when you have 8000 different social networks Jun 19 18:44:22 There is value to 1 Jun 19 18:44:34 1 has use. Jun 19 18:44:44 that way you can connect and see all the people you use to know. Jun 19 18:44:46 i really am not in to social networking, i've been "social networking" on the internet for over a decade just fine without them lol. i suppose they are decent for the less geeky Jun 19 18:44:50 and keep in touch with your friends easily. Jun 19 18:44:58 that said, linkedin got me my job, so it has "worth" in some sense lol Jun 19 18:45:04 i havent used it much since then though... Jun 19 18:45:12 right Jun 19 18:45:17 linkedin is really good for contacts Jun 19 18:45:18 that's the value in social networks Jun 19 18:45:41 muthu: thats the value in a social network. Jun 19 18:45:43 linkedin is more of a professional networking site. if it stays that way i'll like it ok. the rest though, i have no use for them. i get them, i just have no use for them Jun 19 18:45:50 thats like saying its a good idea to have 100 roladex's on your desk Jun 19 18:46:04 Dougie187: you don't want a choice? Jun 19 18:46:04 i have a roladex Jun 19 18:46:06 100 roladex's that each have 10 people in them. Jun 19 18:46:10 No. Jun 19 18:46:14 and it doesn't spit ads at me like myspace Jun 19 18:46:16 im not using them for their features. Jun 19 18:46:36 different SN for different use Jun 19 18:46:37 you use them to stay connected with your previous contacts and to easily find people you are looking for. Jun 19 18:47:00 Dougie187: you can't just have one Jun 19 18:47:02 lol, when i have kids. im going to blacklist myspace from our house. Jun 19 18:47:06 i dont want them getting stalked. Jun 19 18:47:07 hell yea Jun 19 18:47:09 muthu: yes you can. Jun 19 18:47:11 i already have! Jun 19 18:47:13 nice Jun 19 18:47:16 maybe i9'm just an anti social geek (hah, maybe) but i want to avoid most of my old friends at this point... Jun 19 18:47:20 I kinda wanna blacklist it for my wife Jun 19 18:47:20 lol Jun 19 18:47:26 haha Jun 19 18:47:38 CTRL-FREAKS Jun 19 18:47:41 cybereagle: you avoid old friends, are you making new ones? Jun 19 18:47:51 well obviously lol Jun 19 18:47:59 ha! Jun 19 18:48:00 why the hell would you use a social networking tool to make new friends? Jun 19 18:48:01 haha Jun 19 18:48:05 thats like going on match.com to find friends. Jun 19 18:48:07 exactly!! Jun 19 18:48:22 the whole idea of SN is to make new friends Jun 19 18:48:23 it such a bad idea Jun 19 18:48:25 i think you misunderstand.. i dont use sn sites Jun 19 18:48:26 lol Jun 19 18:48:27 and connect with your old friends Jun 19 18:48:30 different purposes, etc. Jun 19 18:48:35 every time i get a friend request from someone i dont know i say "Hey i dont know who the F you are, leave me alone!" Jun 19 18:48:38 and i deny it Jun 19 18:48:41 muthu if i don't talk to old friends its for a reason Jun 19 18:48:54 you can do that in SN too Jun 19 18:49:06 you don't have to add everyone Jun 19 18:49:12 I dont add anyone. Jun 19 18:49:13 lol Jun 19 18:49:13 you use it the way you want it Jun 19 18:49:15 thats my policy. Jun 19 18:49:28 i only add people who i have met in person and try to add me first. Jun 19 18:49:51 muthu at the end of the day it doesn't matter how many friends you have on myspace Jun 19 18:49:55 yeah, i get all that. but when it comes down to it, all the functions i'd use i simply already have in real life anyway. sure that may change some day, but for now, i'm good without it Jun 19 18:50:22 cybereagle: exactly. you can write your friends info in an address book and call them if you need to. Jun 19 18:50:24 SN if you use it correctly, can add a lot of value to your life Jun 19 18:50:25 or write them an email. Jun 19 18:50:32 its an excuse for the public to waste countless hours reading about their friends instead of actually hanging out with them!!! Jun 19 18:50:33 muthu: no. im sorry. but you are wrong. Jun 19 18:50:45 nope Jun 19 18:50:47 a lot of the people i know are geeky types who i've kept in touch with online way before SN sites anyway. not everyone is like me, plenty of regular joes get a lot of good use of of SN i'm sure Jun 19 18:50:50 SN does not add any value to your life. Jun 19 18:51:06 it wastes your life away Jun 19 18:51:08 people make career out of SN Jun 19 18:51:13 so what? Jun 19 18:51:20 peopel make a career out of lots of things, that doesnt mean its good or bad lol Jun 19 18:51:24 and those people will not have jobs in a few years when it all blows over Jun 19 18:51:26 it doesnt add any value to their lives. Jun 19 18:51:41 well i disagree that it will "blow over" Jun 19 18:51:52 as much as i personally dont want it, looots of people really do Jun 19 18:51:55 I dont think it will blow over, i just hope to god it blows over. Jun 19 18:51:55 lol Jun 19 18:52:03 i think it will Jun 19 18:52:08 i dont see anything wrong with it Jun 19 18:52:11 myspace is already feeling it Jun 19 18:52:12 i really hope it does. Jun 19 18:52:13 if you dont like it just ignore it Jun 19 18:52:15 if you don't get SN, you are not really seeing the future Jun 19 18:52:24 i think that is the main reason for their redeisgn Jun 19 18:52:32 muthu, say what?!? Jun 19 18:52:42 muthu: SN is just an over stimulated address book. Jun 19 18:52:44 (00:03:34) muthu: if you don't get SN, you are not really seeing the future Jun 19 18:52:47 myspace just didnt move with the times. facebook and others probably have a lot more features and slicker systems that facebook. plus, its fashion. its not "cool" to have a myspace account now lol Jun 19 18:53:02 haha Jun 19 18:53:10 facebook i didnt hate at first. becuase it was restricted to college campuses. Jun 19 18:53:15 i just can't get over the muthu statement of not seeing the future Jun 19 18:53:18 myspace i have hated all along because it was anyone. Jun 19 18:53:24 michaelnovakjr: yeah i know... Jun 19 18:53:29 michaelnovakjr: get over it, SN is the future Jun 19 18:53:33 lol Jun 19 18:53:37 muthu where's your crystal ball? Jun 19 18:53:40 muthu: how is SN the future? Jun 19 18:53:45 right in front of me Jun 19 18:53:59 mobility is the future Jun 19 18:54:10 i don't care about anyone else shit but my own Jun 19 18:54:20 mobility + SN Jun 19 18:54:24 i want to know how SN is the future. Jun 19 18:54:29 i want to get my information when i need it, not if my friend is taking a shit while blogging Jun 19 18:54:35 haha Jun 19 18:54:38 its just like real life. people fall into different social niches. there's always been mainstreams and undergrounds. the mainstream are clearly loving SN and all it brings, the underground types use less general, more specific, more unusual groupings that are ultimately the same but just dont identify as SN Jun 19 18:54:48 SN? Jun 19 18:54:54 AttractiveApe: Social Networking Jun 19 18:55:06 AttractiveApe apparently its the future Jun 19 18:55:10 ah. Jun 19 18:55:13 its the present to be honest Jun 19 18:55:21 you dont have to like it, but there it is lol Jun 19 18:55:24 i will agree with that Jun 19 18:55:26 cybereagle: exactly Jun 19 18:55:27 it is the present Jun 19 18:55:29 cybereagle: The mainstream is not loving SN because of what it brings, they are loving it because it provides them a means of wasting time. Jun 19 18:55:33 but i don't think its the future Jun 19 18:55:46 the mainstream needs entertainment Jun 19 18:55:46 I dont think its the future either. Jun 19 18:55:48 SN provides it Jun 19 18:55:52 it feels like a fad to me. Jun 19 18:55:53 the mainstream are getting out of SN what geeks got out of the internet in the early days. just SN makes it easier for people Jun 19 18:55:57 it is a fad Jun 19 18:56:03 its like the jeffersons. Jun 19 18:56:06 geeks might not like SN Jun 19 18:56:10 which is understandable Jun 19 18:56:12 time and time again i see people getting excited over "new" things which are really just newer easier ways to do things i've done for years lol Jun 19 18:56:12 or friends. Jun 19 18:56:14 what ever happened to chia pets? Jun 19 18:56:17 lol Jun 19 18:56:21 that doesnt make them bad things, i just get less excited over them ;) Jun 19 18:56:23 chia pets are the future michaelnovakjr Jun 19 18:56:27 haha Jun 19 18:56:34 cha cha cha cha cha CHIIAAA! Jun 19 18:56:35 SN on your mobile Jun 19 18:56:41 been there done that Jun 19 18:56:43 SN will not be on my mobile. Jun 19 18:56:44 screw SN!! Jun 19 18:56:44 sorry. Jun 19 18:56:54 SN will be on every school kids phone Jun 19 18:56:55 muthu: your like an SN hitler Jun 19 18:56:57 i don't need my friends video blog on my phone Jun 19 18:57:00 not my kids. Jun 19 18:57:08 its like TV\ Jun 19 18:57:10 TV Jun 19 18:57:10 well.. first off my kids arn't getting phones until they can drive. Jun 19 18:57:23 second. they aren't using it to check facebook or myspace. Jun 19 18:57:27 muthu definitely not like TV Jun 19 18:57:39 Dougie187: you can't control your kids as you think you can Jun 19 18:57:39 muthu: if you want to relate it to anything, its like a TV show. Jun 19 18:57:43 they are smarter than you Jun 19 18:57:53 muthu: No they are not. because they don't exist. Jun 19 18:57:58 lol Jun 19 18:58:00 muthu, social networking is a bloated forum Jun 19 18:58:15 muthu: also, saying SN is like TV is basically saying its a fad. Jun 19 18:58:25 SN is just like real life, more exciting though Jun 19 18:58:43 its like a reality tv show. Jun 19 18:58:46 wait Jun 19 18:58:54 did you say sn is more exciting than life? Jun 19 18:59:01 Dougie187: and michaelnovakjr: you need to really try them before talking about them Jun 19 18:59:04 SN is kind of like real life. but its not more exciting. thats where preference comes in. thats ultimately asll we all disagree on here Jun 19 18:59:06 try friendfeed Jun 19 18:59:08 muthu: i have. Jun 19 18:59:29 michaelnovakjr: its more exiting because you get to pretend you have more friends then you really do! Jun 19 18:59:33 hah Jun 19 18:59:45 asl asl asl Jun 19 18:59:46 you interact and colloborate Jun 19 18:59:54 with friends all over the world Jun 19 18:59:55 i don't get how something virtual is better than real life? Jun 19 19:00:09 that is disturbing Jun 19 19:00:12 lol Jun 19 19:00:12 i know Jun 19 19:00:21 "I dont need friends, i just need a facebook account!" Jun 19 19:00:34 yea, let's go have a facebook party Jun 19 19:00:42 exciting in the sense about the possibilities of interacting and collaborating with your network Jun 19 19:00:54 ooh aah Jun 19 19:01:07 so what's the moral of the story folks? Jun 19 19:01:15 muthu i have the possibility to meet lots of different people on the subway every morning Jun 19 19:01:20 doesn't mean i do :) Jun 19 19:01:23 lol Jun 19 19:01:32 michaelnovakjr: that's not your network Jun 19 19:01:39 ? Jun 19 19:01:43 you go up to people on the subway. "Hello Kind sir, would you mind if I wrote your name in my book of friends?" Jun 19 19:01:45 i like cbs Jun 19 19:01:50 haha Jun 19 19:02:04 Dougie187: that's a silly example Jun 19 19:02:06 my composition notebook nonetheless! Jun 19 19:02:16 muthu: of course it's his network Jun 19 19:02:23 it's the network of "people who ride the subway with me in the morning" Jun 19 19:02:28 anything can be a network Jun 19 19:02:31 "Just so you know, its not a real book of friends. Its just people I consider to be my friends, it doesnt mean you have to be my friend so if you dont want to you dont have to. just let me write your name down" Jun 19 19:02:31 f00f-: no Jun 19 19:02:44 haha Jun 19 19:03:08 Dougie187: no one lets you be your friend if they don't have to Jun 19 19:03:33 i just think its overrated Jun 19 19:03:38 lol im kidding muthu, im playing off of michaelnovakjr's comment to consider his network the subway. Jun 19 19:03:43 and michaelnovakjr: it is overrated. Jun 19 19:04:01 why is facebook worth so much money? Jun 19 19:04:09 its all based on potential Jun 19 19:04:19 I think facebook at the beginning was a decent idea. Jun 19 19:04:21 michaelnovakjr: what you talking about? Jun 19 19:04:28 you know how much money facebook makes? Jun 19 19:04:34 facebook makes money on advertising Jun 19 19:04:44 how they only allowed college students access to it. that way its like a networking site for work and stuff. Jun 19 19:04:45 you can sign up for fre Jun 19 19:04:48 but now its not that anymore. Jun 19 19:05:19 its just dumb Jun 19 19:05:23 SN blows. Jun 19 19:05:31 my mom has facebook Jun 19 19:05:42 its to keep in touch with all the ex-husbands Jun 19 19:05:51 I would rather go out to dinner with friends and hang out with them for a couple of hours then stare at my friends list on facebook for hours. Jun 19 19:05:56 lol michaelnovakjr. Jun 19 19:06:05 she must have a lot to need facebook for it. Jun 19 19:06:18 yea Jun 19 19:06:28 lots of facebook marriages Jun 19 19:06:34 I could see people using one social networking app for a while. Jun 19 19:06:40 :: its better than the real thing! :: Jun 19 19:06:49 but theres simply no need to have thousands of different SN sites. Jun 19 19:06:52 haha Jun 19 19:07:09 take a look at OpenSocial some of its concepts Jun 19 19:07:29 networking is a good idea Jun 19 19:07:35 if there is a productive point to it Jun 19 19:08:00 yeah Jun 19 19:08:10 but most of them get abused by creepy ass stalkers Jun 19 19:08:22 and you get people who use them to pick on people. Jun 19 19:08:54 that is why a restrictive network is the way to go Jun 19 19:09:03 you work for microsoft then you are in the microsoft network Jun 19 19:09:06 and no one else is Jun 19 19:09:13 except others from microsoft Jun 19 19:09:15 yeah Jun 19 19:09:29 and you talk about productivity not who scored with a hooker the night before Jun 19 19:09:46 project collaboration, not social hanky panky Jun 19 19:09:58 what bar to meet at on friday Jun 19 19:10:09 that is acceptable Jun 19 19:10:15 it promotes real human contact Jun 19 19:10:31 lol Jun 19 19:10:54 now muthu that is NETWORKING! Jun 19 19:10:57 and that is the future! Jun 19 19:11:02 not social networking Jun 19 19:11:52 i think proactive networking is going to be the next thing Jun 19 19:12:04 that is, from the perspective of the network Jun 19 19:12:20 f00f-: you mean productive networking? networking with a purpose? Jun 19 19:12:29 no Jun 19 19:12:32 i mean proactive Jun 19 19:12:54 what is your definition of proactive? Jun 19 19:12:58 "ask not what you can do for your network, but what your network can do for you" Jun 19 19:13:24 so merely transitioning the social network into a tool or utility Jun 19 19:13:25 hm, wouldn't it be the other way around? Jun 19 19:13:29 which suggest things for you Jun 19 19:13:31 nope Jun 19 19:13:34 i dont care about networks Jun 19 19:13:39 i want it to do things for me Jun 19 19:13:44 i dont want to be checking it constantly for updates Jun 19 19:13:45 but you would need to contribute something Jun 19 19:13:51 i want to be updated myself according to my interests, etc. Jun 19 19:13:55 yes, indeed Jun 19 19:14:02 and a set of wants from your side Jun 19 19:14:11 if each user contributes, then the nettwork can do the work for you Jun 19 19:14:19 including discovery and sharing Jun 19 19:14:19 yes Jun 19 19:14:35 there's a lot of noise to wade through on today's social nets Jun 19 19:14:37 amazon is becoming quite the master at that Jun 19 19:14:59 if you can decrease the noise, then you can have a much more vibrant and useful platform Jun 19 19:15:24 yes, but that would mean having a purpose Jun 19 19:15:38 what having a purpose? Jun 19 19:15:51 the network Jun 19 19:15:57 and what it provides you Jun 19 19:16:19 everything has a purpose Jun 19 19:16:45 and i hate web browsers! Jun 19 19:16:56 and then there were none. Jun 19 19:17:07 i don't want to interact with a web browser for complicated 'web apps' Jun 19 19:18:10 not everything has a purpose Jun 19 19:18:22 unless you consider wasting time to be a purpose Jun 19 19:18:29 depends on the objective but i see where you are coming from Jun 19 19:18:33 i dont think it's entirely justified Jun 19 19:19:30 lunch, bbl Jun 19 19:19:36 enjoy! Jun 19 19:20:04 either way. i hate the current state of SN Jun 19 19:20:19 me to Jun 19 19:20:20 o Jun 19 19:32:28 of SN? Jun 19 19:33:35 social networking? Jun 19 19:50:24 oh Jun 19 19:50:29 facebook's pretty cool though Jun 19 19:50:48 also, socila networks are the sort of thing you can ignore if you'd like. Jun 19 19:54:58 yea, i do a lot of ignoring Jun 19 19:55:47 holy crap Jun 19 19:55:52 there are people talking in here! Jun 19 19:56:07 not about android Jun 19 19:56:09 last few times ive been it was library silent Jun 19 19:56:30 i just joined facebook like 2 days ago Jun 19 19:56:41 i hate social networks mostly because its 1 more thing to waste my time Jun 19 19:56:44 trigatch4: is it useful to you? Jun 19 19:56:53 i think it might be useful at some point Jun 19 19:56:57 networking... Jun 19 19:57:04 or if i randomly want to get in touch with somebody Jun 19 19:57:59 but for example, my friend just started a business that offers bus trips to the beach and she (i dont think this was through facebook) emailed everyone she knows telling them about her business Jun 19 19:58:06 social networking, for things like that, is priceless Jun 19 19:58:14 her business is already booming and it really kicked off momentum Jun 19 19:58:20 brb, coffee :) Jun 19 19:58:38 muthu seems to think social networking is better than real life Jun 19 19:58:47 i am convinced he's a robot Jun 19 19:58:52 it might be better than his real life. Jun 19 19:58:57 hah Jun 19 19:58:57 a Jun 19 19:59:03 i didn't say its better Jun 19 19:59:41 trigatch4: good, its indeed priceless Jun 19 20:00:03 hahahah Jun 19 20:00:10 muthu you must play 2nd life hahhahaha Jun 19 20:00:38 how's 2nd life? Jun 19 20:00:42 that's something i didn't try Jun 19 20:00:45 retarded Jun 19 20:00:54 haha Jun 19 20:00:59 lot of business are there Jun 19 20:01:09 i decided to sign up one day when i was bored and flew around the lame ass laggy planet for 10 minutes until i wanted to kick my screen in Jun 19 20:01:21 then i wanted to like, buy some random shit from a store and he said i needed money Jun 19 20:01:25 i was like, "how do you get money" Jun 19 20:01:35 the answer? you gotta work at a store, like i'm doing Jun 19 20:01:38 ummm Jun 19 20:01:55 so you waste your time working at a fake store, in a fake world, to make fake money to buy fake things? Jun 19 20:01:55 yeah.. you need to explore Jun 19 20:02:01 basically.. fuck that Jun 19 20:02:04 no, you get real money Jun 19 20:02:23 you can change the linden dollars to real dollars Jun 19 20:02:43 or how about i spend my time making real dollars in real life Jun 19 20:03:01 2nd life COULD be cool if it wasn't so retarded Jun 19 20:03:03 people make money out of 2nd life Jun 19 20:03:05 the concept is cool Jun 19 20:03:17 by building stores etc., Jun 19 20:03:21 yeah but you have to realize 2nd life claims to have 235423592572598723592735235987r32052 members or players or something Jun 19 20:03:29 yeah its huge Jun 19 20:03:30 and 99.9% of them are people like me Jun 19 20:03:43 who tried it for 27 seconds, barfed, and forgot it existed Jun 19 20:03:48 i have an account, i don't bother using it Jun 19 20:03:53 good Jun 19 20:03:55 don't Jun 19 20:03:57 the problem is they need credit card info and such Jun 19 20:04:04 they are dumb Jun 19 20:04:18 android has the potential to make a game that blows 2nd life out of its lame little water Jun 19 20:04:23 Wifi army Jun 19 20:04:25 shit like that Jun 19 20:04:37 the concept of 2nd life is cool Jun 19 20:04:39 what happened to wifi army? Jun 19 20:04:43 nothing Jun 19 20:04:48 they are developing for iphone Jun 19 20:04:57 because android has too many setbacks Jun 19 20:05:04 they said they would port it over once it is complete Jun 19 20:05:17 right Jun 19 20:05:25 look at GTA4 Jun 19 20:05:29 port? Jun 19 20:05:39 that's a complete re-write not port Jun 19 20:05:42 guess goog is having fun with enkin :) Jun 19 20:05:46 well im not a developer Jun 19 20:05:48 so i wouldnt knwo Jun 19 20:05:50 :) Jun 19 20:06:01 one's obj-c the other is java Jun 19 20:06:09 enkin blows!!!!!!!! Jun 19 20:06:12 well, rewriting for android then Jun 19 20:06:19 why does enkin blow? Jun 19 20:06:27 its completely useless Jun 19 20:06:31 and what does google have to do with enkin? Jun 19 20:06:32 the IO keynote guess used enkin Jun 19 20:06:59 brb Jun 19 20:11:33 back, yeah so 2nd life is a waste of life and so i'll cease talking about it Jun 19 20:12:10 no Jun 19 20:12:29 there's a lot of people using it to make money Jun 19 20:20:06 lots of people make money off WoW Jun 19 20:20:28 there's money to be made, everywhere Jun 19 20:20:40 if only you are open :) Jun 19 20:22:50 there may be money to be made on it Jun 19 20:23:05 there is also money to be wasted on it Jun 19 20:23:10 and time, for that matter Jun 19 20:24:05 so muthu why aren't you a millionare then? Jun 19 20:24:18 will be soon Jun 19 20:24:21 working on it Jun 19 20:24:26 me too Jun 19 20:24:44 you'll be a millionaire sooner if you write articles for phandroid Jun 19 20:24:44 yea me too Jun 19 20:24:46 god told me so Jun 19 20:24:50 haha Jun 19 20:24:57 androidnerds.com! Jun 19 20:25:03 ha.com Jun 19 20:25:07 lol Jun 19 20:25:29 i would, but there's nothing to write about now Jun 19 20:25:36 wow Jun 19 20:25:46 there really isn't anything to write about if muthu says t Jun 19 20:25:46 androidnerds.com is a parking page Jun 19 20:25:50 i know Jun 19 20:25:53 i own it Jun 19 20:26:08 you gonna put something up? Jun 19 20:26:14 yea Jun 19 20:26:19 hey, where's the best place to do shopping? Jun 19 20:26:25 don't do that, it takes a lot of effort Jun 19 20:26:29 just join my ranks Jun 19 20:26:30 ;) Jun 19 20:26:40 shopping as in? Jun 19 20:26:50 i'll have a yard sale if you want to buy some shit Jun 19 20:27:19 if someone wants to buy androidnerds.com for $1300 i am all ears :) Jun 19 20:27:26 HA! Jun 19 20:27:30 like thats gonna happen Jun 19 20:27:43 i was offered a couple thousand for androidforums.com but turned it down Jun 19 20:28:27 i say $1300 because i need a new laptop :) Jun 19 20:28:32 hahahaha nice Jun 19 20:29:03 jon stewart on comedy central mentioned a domain name i thought was a joke, but i went to it and it exists Jun 19 20:29:13 i think it might be the longest domain name that actually has content Jun 19 20:29:19 http://icantbelievethatibarackobamahavetodealwiththisshit.com/ Jun 19 20:29:42 I Can't Believe That I, Barack Obama, Have to Deal With This Shit Jun 19 20:29:48 there you go, less hard on the eyes Jun 19 20:29:57 jeeze Jun 19 20:31:24 trigatch4: when's the yard sale? Jun 19 20:31:51 what do you want to buy? Jun 19 20:31:57 loo Jun 19 20:32:00 what you have? Jun 19 20:32:02 f00f-: haha Jun 19 20:32:26 i have a macbook pro i'm selling for $1300 Jun 19 20:32:36 trigatch4: some guy writing a book named "Hello, Android" made an offer to let me continue to contribute to helloandroid.com if I gave it to him Jun 19 20:32:47 I passed Jun 19 20:34:14 zhobbs_: how much he offered? Jun 19 20:34:27 nothing Jun 19 20:34:35 ha, what a deal! Jun 19 20:34:36 he literally asked me to give him the domain Jun 19 20:34:36 good choice Jun 19 20:34:46 I got the contrary for my book Jun 19 20:34:58 somebody who owned filthyrichclients.com offered it to me for free without me even asking Jun 19 20:35:06 wow Jun 19 20:35:06 nice Jun 19 20:35:26 yeah, if you have a domain and you are not doing anything Jun 19 20:35:30 he owns helloandroid.net and org Jun 19 20:35:53 michaelnovakjr: what generation macbook pro? Jun 19 20:35:53 nice Jun 19 20:35:56 what size screen, etc Jun 19 20:36:05 Hello, Android? Jun 19 20:36:16 2.16 core duo with 2 gigs of ram and 100gb hard drive.... 15.4 inch screen glossy Jun 19 20:36:28 you should register the domain, FuckOffAndroid and direct it to the domain he buys for his shitty book Jun 19 20:36:29 under applecare? Jun 19 20:36:47 didn't get the extended on it Jun 19 20:36:59 why do you need a new lappy? Jun 19 20:37:00 sorry not interested then =.= Jun 19 20:37:05 trigatch4: his book: http://pragprog.com/titles/eband/hello-android Jun 19 20:37:07 or you just WANT one Jun 19 20:37:27 apple care only lasts three years anyway Jun 19 20:37:32 my new book "Goodbye, Android!" should be out in a few weeks Jun 19 20:37:37 its ed Jun 19 20:37:49 i've never had the thing serviced... its a warhorse Jun 19 20:38:02 lol, workhorse? Jun 19 20:38:02 muthu: yeah, met him at IO Jun 19 20:38:09 i missed him Jun 19 20:38:24 i missed a lot of folks Jun 19 20:38:53 who are we talking about? Jun 19 20:38:53 you met Ed B. at IO, the guy who demanded your domain? Jun 19 20:39:21 he kinda pisses me off that he took that title...helloandroid.com has been around since like 5 hours after android was announced Jun 19 20:39:29 yeah Jun 19 20:39:29 trigatch4: yeah Jun 19 20:39:32 so has phandroid ;) Jun 19 20:39:41 zhobbs you really shouldn't be mad Jun 19 20:39:44 zhobbs_: but why you didn't register .net Jun 19 20:39:45 you should be happy Jun 19 20:39:45 trigatch4: you from phandroid? Jun 19 20:39:49 you'll get more traffic and exposure for it Jun 19 20:39:52 yeah i run phandroid Jun 19 20:40:03 who cares about the .net Jun 19 20:40:13 yeah, will get traffic as a result I guess Jun 19 20:40:17 if someone registers it and builds it, the .com will get more traffic Jun 19 20:40:32 people type in .com out of habit Jun 19 20:40:45 so what did you say to eachother at Google IO, zhobbs_ Jun 19 20:41:12 trigatch4: nothing really Jun 19 20:41:24 i would be embarrassed to talk to you, if i was him Jun 19 20:41:32 he keeps trying to get me to be a tech reviewer for his book Jun 19 20:41:33 i mean really, what an idiot Jun 19 20:41:53 ed, i guess own another domain Jun 19 20:41:59 planetandroid.com Jun 19 20:41:59 yeah Jun 19 20:42:00 http://planetandroid.com/ Jun 19 20:42:03 its retarded Jun 19 20:42:19 it just uses all the content from other android sites and reposts it as his own Jun 19 20:42:26 at least he provides a link back Jun 19 20:42:31 but, its still retarded Jun 19 20:42:51 trigatch4: nt really, i like it, it's a no BS version of all your guys' sites Jun 19 20:42:55 good aggregation of blogs :D Jun 19 20:43:01 text-only ftw! Jun 19 20:43:03 correct Jun 19 20:43:08 you get the rss from there Jun 19 20:43:14 you can read all android news Jun 19 20:43:22 usually i have that one open and i hit F5 every couple of days Jun 19 20:43:34 zhobbs_: give me a story line Jun 19 20:43:37 its still retarded Jun 19 20:43:39 i want to write something for HA Jun 19 20:43:40 he does no work Jun 19 20:43:44 muthu: sure Jun 19 20:43:59 its been a while Jun 19 20:44:37 i mean really, i could set up the same damn thing in a matter of about 1 hour Jun 19 20:44:49 its a gray area he's sitting in Jun 19 20:44:56 guess he's smart Jun 19 20:45:57 he provides links back for each article and general "blog roll" links with RSS subscriptions on the right Jun 19 20:46:09 thats the only reason i don't really care Jun 19 20:46:15 at least he is sourcing the shit Jun 19 20:46:20 yeah for shore Jun 19 20:46:27 even if its just ripping others Jun 19 20:46:58 muthu: he is not smart. if he was, he would join you and all your buddies who makes lots of monies on the 2nd lifes Jun 19 20:47:06 hehe jk ;) Jun 19 20:47:35 ed, is more like a media guy Jun 19 20:47:40 if i understand right Jun 19 20:47:52 as opposed to what? Jun 19 20:47:55 a developer? Jun 19 20:48:03 thats what i am Jun 19 20:48:40 like you Jun 19 20:48:51 not sure, might be a developer Jun 19 20:48:57 since he has an android book out Jun 19 20:49:49 yeah... makes sense Jun 19 20:50:12 i just find it really shitty that he would demand helloandroid.com Jun 19 20:50:16 he has a GWT book out I guess Jun 19 20:52:26 http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjTu0jhqqPE Jun 19 20:53:27 jasta: are you there? Jun 19 20:53:56 f00f: they look like they are from Zack's next website, HelloPhotoshop.com Jun 19 20:54:10 yes Jun 19 20:54:59 heh Jun 19 20:56:34 trigatch4: damn, helloiphone.com is taken Jun 19 20:56:47 everything is taken these days Jun 19 20:56:56 gotta be QUICK! Jun 19 20:57:06 or get left with something like.... Jun 19 20:57:16 MyiPhoneIsNeaaaat.info Jun 19 20:57:34 I almost bought iphonesdkforums.com Jun 19 20:57:37 it was available Jun 19 20:57:38 i gotta get in on some of that .mobi action Jun 19 20:57:50 i still think .mobi is idiotic Jun 19 20:57:55 dont whois on verisign or register.com Jun 19 20:58:04 they'll autoreg whois queries that yield no domain Jun 19 20:58:08 just have your website determine if the viewer is coming from a mobile device and redirect them to m.yoursite.com Jun 19 20:58:24 m. is universal Jun 19 20:58:31 i use domaintools.com Jun 19 20:58:35 i wonder if .mobi will catch on Jun 19 20:58:39 it wont Jun 19 20:58:41 .tv might Jun 19 20:58:48 .tv has Jun 19 20:58:52 eh Jun 19 20:58:54 has for tech people Jun 19 20:58:58 not for the general public Jun 19 20:58:59 nah Jun 19 20:59:01 seen ads on tv Jun 19 20:59:02 thus caught on Jun 19 20:59:24 i could make a website called YouAreDumbAndFat.tv and sell diet pills through TV ads Jun 19 20:59:28 doesn't mean it has caught on Jun 19 20:59:42 it means you'd be rich Jun 19 20:59:48 or an idiot Jun 19 20:59:53 and i might be an idiot Jun 19 20:59:58 but lets keep that between the folks here Jun 19 21:00:06 :) Jun 19 21:00:42 did anybody here meet Vincent Nyugen from AndroidCommunicty? Jun 19 21:02:15 bro Jun 19 21:02:32 we're saying the .tv domain has caught on in the broadcast market Jun 19 21:02:39 *TLD Jun 19 21:02:55 whether or not a particular domain catches on is anyone's gues Jun 19 21:03:02 a few TV networks are already using .tv Jun 19 21:06:47 damn, didnt know that Jun 19 21:07:53 www.tnt.tv uses it as their primary site Jun 19 21:07:58 www.tbs.tv redirects Jun 19 21:08:25 yeah Jun 19 21:08:39 .tv is actually meaningful or has the potential to provide meaning Jun 19 21:08:43 i guess .mobi does too Jun 19 21:08:55 but it simply doesn't make sense to me since browsers can detect your device Jun 19 21:09:15 well .mobi implies a mobile-only thing Jun 19 21:09:18 or mobile-related thing Jun 19 21:09:57 www.louvre.museum Jun 19 21:09:59 .mobi did not pick off Jun 19 21:10:27 www.ibm.jobs Jun 19 21:10:47 yeah Jun 19 21:11:03 but you have to understand the cases in which they are used properly are the exception and not the rule Jun 19 21:11:21 most companies would just get louvremuseum.com or.org or just louvre.com Jun 19 21:11:42 most businesses will just have a jobs or careers section at jobs.company.com or company.com/jobs Jun 19 21:11:54 right so these are useful for exclusive sites Jun 19 21:12:08 i agree that the museum one could be good Jun 19 21:12:14 depending on what the process is of obtaining one Jun 19 21:12:32 just like if you go to a .gov or .edu you know that it WILL be government or education and not spam Jun 19 21:12:35 (for the most part) Jun 19 21:12:46 right Jun 19 21:13:17 .aq Antarctica Defined as per the Antarctic Treaty as everything south of latitude 60°S. Jun 19 21:13:21 nice Jun 19 21:13:54 link me to that list Jun 19 21:14:04 please Jun 19 21:14:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains Jun 19 21:14:37 .fm Federated States of Micronesia Used for some radio related websites outside Micronesia. Jun 19 21:14:41 i see some .fm usage Jun 19 21:14:48 like energy here in the bay area Jun 19 21:14:52 yeah i see some here too Jun 19 21:14:55 i'veheard it a few times they mention to visit their .fm site Jun 19 21:15:02 want to know the most brilliant one ever? Jun 19 21:15:29 Cameroon has .cm and some millionaire bought the rights to the entire extension Jun 19 21:15:34 .cm is a typo of .com Jun 19 21:15:38 rofl Jun 19 21:15:43 that's fucked up Jun 19 21:15:45 so people make a typo and get to a landing page Jun 19 21:15:48 and click on an ad Jun 19 21:15:51 and he gets paid Jun 19 21:15:53 fucking sick Jun 19 21:16:05 go to any regular domain and then .cm and you'll see Jun 19 21:16:34 wow, that might be a bit overboard Jun 19 21:16:44 ugh Jun 19 21:16:47 .la Laos (Currently being marketed as the unofficial domain for Los Angeles). Jun 19 21:16:48 overboard? Jun 19 21:16:53 i've seen that also a few times Jun 19 21:17:00 .com for .cm Jun 19 21:17:01 i bet he is making millions of dollars a year on that .cm stuff Jun 19 21:17:13 really? Jun 19 21:17:17 i saw an article about how he had tripled his investment in like 1 month Jun 19 21:17:29 man.. unbelievable Jun 19 21:17:33 most briliant purchase ever Jun 19 21:17:43 i had a few .la for awhile Jun 19 21:17:47 i have one .sc Jun 19 21:17:51 myrtle-beach.sc Jun 19 21:18:00 .su former Soviet Union Still in use Jun 19 21:18:00 wow Jun 19 21:18:00 gonna make a site about myrtle beach, south carolina Jun 19 21:18:06 they actually got TLD back then Jun 19 21:18:10 even though the hyphen kills it Jun 19 21:18:11 yeah 80's not surprised Jun 19 21:18:27 i just read that there are officially more .cn domains in use than .nets Jun 19 21:18:30 pretty crazy Jun 19 21:18:55 check out the xn- TLD's Jun 19 21:20:04 heh, www.nic.su times out but the trace comes near: 25 223 ms 319 ms * MSK-KIAE-Relarn-9.relarn.ru [194.226.29.5] Jun 19 21:20:20 russian version of Internet2/CalREN i guess Jun 19 21:20:46 .tk Tokelau Also used as a free domain service to the public. Jun 19 21:20:50 heh i remember that Jun 19 21:20:54 .tk = free Jun 19 21:21:20 really, interesting Jun 19 21:25:54 heh, i cant believe i'm reading the wikipedia entry for the US Jun 19 21:26:00 some manufacturers need to start announcing (or leaking) their android phones Jun 19 21:27:06 "The resulting mix of cultures may be characterized as a homogeneous melting pot or as a pluralistic salad bowl in which immigrants and their descendants retain distinctive cultural characteristics." Jun 19 21:31:58 dude... how bored r u Jun 19 21:39:56 and #android is back to library status Jun 19 21:40:06 how short lived the revival was Jun 19 21:41:15 there was no revival. we still aren't talking about Android :P Jun 19 21:41:35 speaking of though, shouldn't f00f and muthu be doing a lot more coding than talking these days? Jun 19 21:42:36 i haven't started coding android yet :O Jun 19 21:42:41 major backend stuff going on Jun 19 21:42:48 making mine a little dumber client Jun 19 21:43:56 why more coding these days? Jun 19 21:44:37 jasta: is your tirade against the evil Android empire finally wearing off or are you still bitter? Jun 19 22:06:01 zhobbs: you around? Jun 19 22:07:36 trigatch4: what's up? Jun 19 22:11:32 you have any analytics type stuff installed on helloandroid? Jun 19 22:11:41 yeha Jun 19 22:12:01 curious what type of traffic you're getting ;) Jun 19 22:12:13 you first :0 Jun 19 22:12:46 anywhere between 500 and 1500 a day Jun 19 22:12:54 been around 900/day for the past week Jun 19 22:13:07 uniques? Jun 19 22:13:12 uhhh lemme check Jun 19 22:13:56 hobbs give back the money! you can run an android site and win?! :P Jun 19 22:14:02 *cant Jun 19 22:14:18 :) Jun 19 22:14:32 looks like it Jun 19 22:14:34 about that Jun 19 22:14:38 900 uniques a day or so Jun 19 22:14:56 wondering how i'm doign compared to other android sites Jun 19 22:15:16 I get about 500 uniques a day Jun 19 22:15:19 its weird because android hasnt really caught on to the public yet, most people still don't know what android is Jun 19 22:15:23 but I haven't been posting much news Jun 19 22:15:28 yeah Jun 19 22:16:27 well, would you entertain the idea of me making a guest post on your site? and you could make a guest post on mine? plug our own websites and try to share some readership/exposure? Jun 19 22:16:38 only people who know about android are those who read digg/reddit/slashdot/etc Jun 19 22:16:52 grndslm, i'd agree with you there Jun 19 22:16:59 mainstream journalists are still calling it the gphone Jun 19 22:17:02 how retarded Jun 19 22:17:15 yea, that's the MSM for ya, tho... Jun 19 22:17:28 trigatch4: well, not sure about just "guest post", but I'm looking to work out a solution to my lack of news Jun 19 22:17:37 when is android 1.0 gonna come out? anybody have any insight there? Jun 19 22:18:31 about 2.5 weeks grndslm Jun 19 22:18:34 i've kind of got my hands full with phandroid as it is, i'm looking for writers over here myself... so i wouldn't be able to write articles for both if thats what you're suggesting Jun 19 22:18:41 grndslm: 4th quarter Jun 19 22:19:00 probably right in time for the holidays Jun 19 22:20:09 trigatch4: I was talking to android guys to syndicated some of their news on my site (hand pick certain stories, and they would have a "powered by androidguys" type of logo next to their stories) Jun 19 22:20:12 oh man, i might have to buy this gigabyte M528 with ubuntu mobile on it ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NviXg_1g4 ) to tide me over for a "gPhone" Jun 19 22:21:11 there is no gPhone Jun 19 22:21:37 zhobbs: those guys make me laugh... we got into somewhat of a "flame war" over a few things. i'm not big fans of them but... why do you need permission to run their articles? planetandroid is doing the same thing. Jun 19 22:22:29 well, it was going to be a partnership...where they would ask us to write stories for them about technical matters, etc Jun 19 22:23:01 they are very non-technical Jun 19 22:23:16 if you did that you would disappoint me severely, they are my interwebz rivals haha Jun 19 22:23:39 I met Vicent from androidcommunity.com, he's a real pro Jun 19 22:23:54 he had all that IO stuff posted within minutes Jun 19 22:24:02 their site isn't really android anymore... its stupid.... somehow they worked out getting the samsung instinct in advanced and did the most pitiful unboxing on the planet. what a waste of time. Jun 19 22:24:10 he owns slashgear.com Jun 19 22:24:11 i bet sprint wishes they could have that handset back Jun 19 22:24:23 yeah, vincent called me the other day Jun 19 22:24:24 trigatch4: right, which is why I would hand pick them Jun 19 22:24:45 he also owns phonemag.com, samsungomnina.com, a shitload of different websites mobile oriented Jun 19 22:25:06 yeah, he's got a pretty good business going Jun 19 22:25:21 i'm trying to get to where he is Jun 19 22:25:24 thats my goal Jun 19 22:25:36 I'm not a very good blogger...which is why after round 2 I'll be getting back to tutorials and improving the app DB Jun 19 22:25:48 trigatch4: what other sites do you run? Jun 19 22:26:10 ummm... don't want to disclose all of them Jun 19 22:26:21 lol Jun 19 22:26:24 but my other "big" long-term project is http://MobileRoar.com Jun 19 22:26:50 I don't like posting news...I need to find someone that does Jun 19 22:26:56 well Jun 19 22:26:59 the issue there is.. Jun 19 22:27:09 why would someone want to post news on their own site Jun 19 22:27:09 and I want the news geared more towards developers also Jun 19 22:27:12 and then rewrite it for you? Jun 19 22:27:27 you and me both Jun 19 22:27:28 well, I wouldn't expect that Jun 19 22:27:57 I'll just keep pumping tutorials...and when there's "real" news I'll try to cover it Jun 19 22:28:05 hey jasta, you around? Jun 19 22:28:09 (and I probably won't do anything until after 7/28) Jun 19 22:28:23 yeah.... i don't see how you could possibly have time to write news AND work onyour stuff Jun 19 22:28:25 thats insane Jun 19 22:29:48 trigatch4: currently doing 40 hrs real job + 20 hrs android dev / week Jun 19 22:30:12 gotchya Jun 19 22:30:53 http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/19/study-finds-that-were-all-arrogant-jerks-can-probably-fix-its/ Jun 19 22:31:07 trigatch4: how much money have you made off blogging? Jun 19 22:31:08 yeah i saw that Jun 19 22:31:20 zhobbs... i build websites Full Time Jun 19 22:31:33 most of my sites are built using blog technology but aren't blogs per se Jun 19 22:31:33 for clients though right? Jun 19 22:31:37 no for myself Jun 19 22:31:48 hm Jun 19 22:31:52 you have editors? Jun 19 22:31:58 its only me, man Jun 19 22:32:01 i'm a 1 man team Jun 19 22:32:24 so you can pay rent with ad revenue? Jun 19 22:32:26 hopefully by the end of 2008, start of 2009, i'll be able to hire 1 full time programmer and 2 part time content writers/editors Jun 19 22:32:33 yeah i pay the rent with revenue Jun 19 22:32:41 cool Jun 19 22:32:42 i do have 1 client currently who i charge 2k a month Jun 19 22:32:51 but that just started in june Jun 19 22:33:15 helloandroid.com has made $140 in ad revenue :) Jun 19 22:33:20 almost can cover the hosting Jun 19 22:33:26 nice Jun 19 22:33:28 well, almost can cover 3 months of hosting Jun 19 22:33:33 hah Jun 19 22:34:21 i don't make any money on phandroid really Jun 19 22:34:25 i don't expect to Jun 19 22:34:39 when the phones start getting announced and come out maybe Jun 19 22:34:40 helloandroid was just an experiment for me... Jun 19 22:34:50 id say a successful one Jun 19 22:34:54 you do a nice job Jun 19 22:35:00 and it fills a niche Jun 19 22:35:06 your niche is a bit different than mine Jun 19 22:35:10 yeah Jun 19 22:35:17 like you said, you are more for developers i am more for consumers Jun 19 22:35:37 but we'll be competing in one area soon... the application database Jun 19 22:35:42 ;) Jun 19 22:35:53 brb bathroom Jun 19 22:36:21 android will probably have a higher developer per capita than iphone Jun 19 22:53:11 damnit Jun 19 22:53:16 i gotta go to my girlfriends Jun 19 22:53:22 i'll be back in a few hours Jun 20 00:12:17 wow... google broke their silence on the Android Developer's blog to link everyone to the Google IO sessions Jun 20 00:12:31 thats some impressive update! i was all excited and now i'm depressed hehe Jun 20 00:15:22 Romain probably went to Dan and said "What the hell have you guys been doing?" :) Jun 20 00:15:51 trigatch4: oh man, it reads so insincere too! Jun 20 00:16:08 haha Jun 20 00:16:16 and they link just generically to the I/O site, nothing particular to Android is called out Jun 20 00:18:24 what a joke ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 20 02:59:56 2008