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Jul 07 03:12:54 <muthu> gm
Jul 07 03:14:16 <muthu> man, GWT + Gears can be the killer!
Jul 07 15:06:54 <zhobbs_> Hmm, T-Mobile 3G uses different freq than other providers 3G
Jul 07 15:09:44 <zhobbs_> which means the t-mobile phone might not be 3g'able on other networks after unlocked
Jul 07 16:04:12 <morrildl> zhobbs_: They use different frequencies in the US, yes
Jul 07 16:05:42 <zhobbs_> morrildl: which means you can't unlock and then use 3g on dif carrier probably right?
Jul 07 16:06:32 <zhobbs_> I really don't want to use t-mobile
Jul 07 16:11:04 <morrildl> zhobbs_: I have no idea.  I'm just pointing out that T-Mobile is an international company and has different spectrum around the world
Jul 07 17:35:13 <Kraln> morrildl: I just had a conversation with a reporter about android :-)
Jul 07 17:38:05 <morrildl> Kraln: O RLY
Jul 07 17:38:12 <Kraln> YA RLY.
Jul 07 17:38:16 <Kraln> :-o
Jul 07 17:38:23 <morrildl> ZOMG!
Jul 07 17:38:28 <morrildl> What did they ask?
Jul 07 17:38:32 <Kraln> it was more about open source and the google code page
Jul 07 17:38:36 <Kraln> but also about the android community
Jul 07 17:38:39 <morrildl> *nod*
Jul 07 17:39:45 <Kraln> sort of the how things get done for android
Jul 07 17:39:51 <Kraln> how is it with only an emulator, etc
Jul 07 17:40:15 <michaelnovakjr> what reporter?
Jul 07 17:40:24 <michaelnovakjr> why aren't these people talking to google PR?
Jul 07 17:40:39 <Kraln> michaelnovakjr: because they're reporting, not spewing =)
Jul 07 17:40:50 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Jul 07 17:41:00 <michaelnovakjr> are you officially linked to google?
Jul 07 17:41:09 <Kraln> why does that matter?
Jul 07 17:41:36 <Kraln> he wanted to know how the whole post project on google code -> open collaboration thing went
Jul 07 17:41:42 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Jul 07 17:42:01 <michaelnovakjr> the android page?
Jul 07 17:42:20 <Kraln> no, the code.google.com project posting
Jul 07 17:42:53 <michaelnovakjr> what about it?
Jul 07 17:42:59 <michaelnovakjr> isn't it just filling out the form?
Jul 07 17:43:12 <Kraln> the idea, not how it physically functioned
Jul 07 17:43:26 <michaelnovakjr> for your project then?
Jul 07 17:43:58 <Kraln> he wanted to know in general. I was not the only person he spoke with
Jul 07 17:44:23 <michaelnovakjr> what did they ask about the android community?
Jul 07 17:45:30 <Kraln> stuff about how active it was, asked about the sdk
Jul 07 17:45:51 <michaelnovakjr> interesting, where was the reporter from?
Jul 07 17:45:55 <Kraln> business week
Jul 07 17:46:28 <michaelnovakjr> it'll be interesting to see what they have to say, so far the press coverage has been pretty lame
Jul 07 18:07:45 <morrildl> michaelnovakjr: lame how?
Jul 07 18:08:43 <michaelnovakjr> morrildl: the ridiculous rumors getting spread around...
Jul 07 18:09:05 <michaelnovakjr> morrildl: they aren't all interviewing google PR about google related questions... so the answers have a nice spin on them
Jul 07 18:09:50 <michaelnovakjr> i see alot of references to android blogs, which have been known for the rumors
Jul 07 18:10:29 <michaelnovakjr> morrildl: i have learned to take it with a grain of salt unless there's a google press release linked somewhere
Jul 07 18:10:34 <morrildl> hehehehe
Jul 07 18:10:36 <morrildl> I think that's wise
Jul 07 18:10:46 <morrildl> People always assume it's more mysterious than it really is
Jul 07 18:10:54 <michaelnovakjr> that's half the problem
Jul 07 18:10:56 <morrildl> Intrigue! Drama!
Jul 07 18:11:19 <michaelnovakjr> its a project still in development... what more could you possibly say at this point?
Jul 07 18:14:55 <morrildl> I have learned that people always have lots to say
Jul 07 18:15:42 <michaelnovakjr> indeed, i'm just looking to program.... all there other stuff is kind of irrelevant
Jul 07 19:45:46 <anno^da> http://www.danielroth.net/WIRED/googlephone.pdf
Jul 07 21:41:20 <Dougie187> Good Evenings
Jul 07 22:01:39 <zhobbs> the beauty of open source: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980
Jul 07 22:03:20 <f00f-> sourceweare used to by part of cygnus, which got bought by redhat
Jul 07 22:03:24 <f00f-> and redonated i guess
Jul 07 22:04:42 <f00f-> what a fucking asshole
Jul 07 22:05:01 <morrildl> I can't remember if I've seen that before
Jul 07 22:05:07 <morrildl> or if it was a different case
Jul 07 22:05:10 <morrildl> ...exactly like this one
Jul 07 22:08:27 <zhobbs> seems like it'll be tricky when android goes open source, all the google devs gotta deal with all kinda of incoming code and figure out what makes the cut
Jul 07 22:09:16 <f00f-> it should be linux-style imho
Jul 07 22:09:28 <f00f-> have some god who yay' or nay's incoming changes
Jul 07 22:10:24 <zhobbs> yeah, seems like you need the hierarchy to come all the way up to 1 person
Jul 07 22:10:37 <zhobbs> military style
Jul 07 22:10:39 <f00f-> or a committee, but it needs to be a low-latency fast acting one
Jul 07 22:10:50 <f00f-> 5 minutes per patch or whatever
Jul 07 22:10:58 <f00f-> with delegation to subcommitees
Jul 07 22:11:09 <zhobbs> haha...latency is increasing
Jul 07 22:15:56 <morrildl> It will likely be a federation of related projects
Jul 07 22:18:51 <zhobbs> yeah, there will be main framework, address book, sms, email, calculator, webkit, etc etc
Jul 07 22:37:51 <morrildl> Last I heard, the team is leaning toward a combination of svn and git
Jul 07 22:38:08 <morrildl> there's also a lot of work going on to set up the governance model
Jul 07 23:22:11 <Dougie187> everyone have a good weekend?
Jul 08 00:29:36 <jasta> fuck me this network in our idaho office is slow
Jul 08 00:34:54 <f00f-> udaho
Jul 08 02:51:15 <wmealing> re topic, you sick monkeys.
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