**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 09 02:59:56 2008 Jul 09 03:24:07 howdy Jul 09 03:24:13 gm Jul 09 03:24:28 what's new Jul 09 03:25:45 same old Jul 09 03:27:23 yea same here Jul 09 03:31:22 when's the deadline? Jul 09 03:35:00 7/28 Jul 09 03:35:11 19 days left :) Jul 09 03:35:41 its a continuous saga ;) Jul 09 03:35:42 damn, that's like 3 items on my task list a day Jul 09 03:36:04 better get crackin Jul 09 03:36:38 yeah, I haven't gone into full crunch mode yet...next week probably Jul 09 03:37:20 are you working on it fulltime? Jul 09 03:37:26 wonder what would be the excitement this time awaiting the p2 winners Jul 09 03:37:43 michaelnovakjr_: no Jul 09 03:37:57 that must make it interesting zhobbs Jul 09 03:39:16 I went to my boss today to take next week off (without pay)...and he said that I can just work on it at work :) Jul 09 03:39:40 nice Jul 09 03:40:00 zhobbs: so you don't have much to do at work ;) Jul 09 03:40:01 that works out Jul 09 03:40:21 guess your boss though its better then you being on facebook :)) Jul 09 03:40:31 muthu: actually just finished up a big project I was working on, so not much going yet Jul 09 03:40:40 good timing Jul 09 03:40:44 now you can focus on p2 Jul 09 03:40:54 yep Jul 09 06:53:31 http://blog.morrildl.net/ Jul 09 06:54:09 in the first post there is all you have to mention about drama and conspiracy theories in the software world Jul 09 06:55:26 heh Jul 09 06:55:37 he's discovered that reporters are people too Jul 09 06:57:10 and he mentioned sth. that I recognized here many times Jul 09 06:57:19 "speculatuion" Jul 09 06:57:32 saying sth. withouth having background knwoledge Jul 09 06:57:59 just because wired, newsweek or some other magazine opened new speculations Jul 09 07:53:35 good morning fellas Jul 09 10:00:59 someone here with ads experience for websites? Jul 09 10:19:15 cutmasta: I put the Google Adsense on www.nslu2-linux.org - is that the type of thing you're talking about? Jul 09 10:56:57 rwhitby, mom Jul 09 11:00:02 lol Jul 09 11:00:16 when will the new sdk with an emulator image arrive? Jul 09 12:04:15 Hi, is this channel about the OHA Android platform? Jul 09 12:06:53 it is Jul 09 12:08:43 any useful open source projects for Android that need a hand? (just asking) Jul 09 13:00:04 pjv, yeah, Hecl Jul 09 13:16:04 davidw, not my cup of tea, I was thinking more of programs for the end-user Jul 09 14:28:39 howdy Jul 09 14:29:28 hi Jul 09 14:29:46 how's everyone doing today? Jul 09 14:38:54 same procedure as every (work)day Jul 09 14:39:13 absolutely Jul 09 14:40:35 i decompiled android.jar, but result is strange Jul 09 14:42:15 working for my thesis today Jul 09 14:42:22 bachelor thesis? Jul 09 14:42:46 "Diplomarbeit" Jul 09 14:42:51 no Bachelor Jul 09 14:43:09 its nearly the same, isnt it Jul 09 14:43:33 mmh bachelor is below the Diplomarbeit. Jul 09 14:43:40 it is comparable to the master Jul 09 14:43:41 just slightly Jul 09 14:43:51 nah, master is above diploma Jul 09 14:44:27 but the distance between diplomarbeit and master is smaller than dipl. to bachelor Jul 09 14:45:14 But yeah I could do the master afterwards Jul 09 14:45:33 http://www.elektroniknet.de/home/beruf-und-karriere/arbeitswelt/b/d/einstiegsgehaelter-bachelor-master-und-diplom-gle/ Jul 09 14:45:45 doing Android stuff for your thesis? Jul 09 14:45:59 just a little bit Jul 09 14:46:05 more social media stuff Jul 09 14:46:50 heh i made an Android program for my thesis as well, but Im already done Jul 09 14:47:00 What did you do ? Jul 09 14:48:04 I did a distributed geotagged photo collection application in the domain of distributed data capture Jul 09 14:48:34 A great. Jul 09 14:48:47 So I'm leaving now. Playing a round of tennis in the evening now. Jul 09 14:48:52 got good grades but got bashed in the android challenge (naturally since it was less appropriate for end-usage) Jul 09 14:49:01 haha :) Jul 09 14:49:28 Enkin got bashed as well and was the greatest app I've seen in the challenge Jul 09 14:49:38 ? Jul 09 14:49:43 how was it the greatest? Jul 09 14:49:50 oh well, fame isnt everything ;-) Jul 09 14:49:56 parallelkingdoms is my fav app Jul 09 14:49:59 I liked it. Just my opinion michaelnovakjr Jul 09 14:50:20 i'm a fan of five Jul 09 14:50:29 i am a nerd about my music Jul 09 14:50:41 actually I dont have a favourite app yet, havent seen anything I would really use or support Jul 09 14:50:49 Hmm yeah. But the most applicatins suffered great interfaces. Jul 09 14:50:55 im creating the first android virus Jul 09 14:51:18 virus? Jul 09 14:51:30 anno^da: the five interface is excellent Jul 09 14:51:38 michaelnovakjr: ahh I'm a music nerd as well. Musics playing all day long. Jul 09 14:51:47 same here Jul 09 14:51:51 michaelnovakjr: This was just generally speaking :) Jul 09 14:52:03 i agree with that Jul 09 14:52:04 but five isnt open source is it? Jul 09 14:52:12 yes it its Jul 09 14:52:16 is* Jul 09 14:52:27 its java (=open source) Jul 09 14:52:28 oh Jul 09 14:52:41 at least i dont know any java scramblers Jul 09 14:53:16 michaelnovakjr: hmmm five wasnt under the 50 right ? Jul 09 14:53:25 unfortunately no Jul 09 14:53:34 http://code.google.com/p/five Jul 09 14:53:41 yeah Jul 09 14:53:49 the interface is nice Jul 09 14:53:53 yea Jul 09 14:53:59 tiny and not too much of wasted space Jul 09 14:54:07 plus i love lastfm Jul 09 14:54:14 i listen to it at work Jul 09 14:54:19 haha yeah I do as well :) Jul 09 14:54:30 first screen was obviously linux. i clicked alt+f4 in panic mode Jul 09 14:54:32 Do you know Muxtape? It hast LastFM support now Jul 09 14:54:49 haven't heard of that Jul 09 14:54:55 muxtape.com Jul 09 14:55:10 getting back to the roots of music sharing :) Jul 09 14:55:28 I bet it will be taken down till the end of the year by the music industry :D Jul 09 14:55:39 is it mp3? Jul 09 14:55:46 It is. Jul 09 14:55:56 where's the flac support? Jul 09 14:56:02 Just walk through some of the "tapes" Jul 09 14:56:18 michaelnovakjr: I'm waiting for flac support eben in iTunes :D Jul 09 14:56:22 even Jul 09 14:56:32 i like flac Jul 09 14:56:57 I do as well Jul 09 14:57:16 it would be nice to be able to even buy flac albums online Jul 09 14:57:42 haha thats what I want since the first music stores started Jul 09 14:58:00 the russian store had it (lost the name) but it was taken down :D Jul 09 14:58:12 damn Jul 09 14:58:17 I don't know but the industry doesn't care much about quality Jul 09 14:58:25 so, what are you all working on? Jul 09 14:58:42 decompiling android Jul 09 14:59:06 We are working on an Android music store with flac support. :-) Jul 09 14:59:22 your company? Jul 09 14:59:32 That was a joke ;) Jul 09 14:59:41 Should we team up with Amazon ;) Jul 09 14:59:53 i actually was talking to limewire about it Jul 09 15:00:01 they have a music store now Jul 09 15:00:06 And what did they tell you ? Jul 09 15:00:30 they were interested, i have to follow up with them. i mentioned the outdated sdk at the moment Jul 09 15:01:03 how bout ogg? Jul 09 15:01:08 Great it would be nice to have a shop that supports open formats and high quality files. Jul 09 15:01:16 ye Jul 09 15:01:17 a Jul 09 15:01:20 so, how can this code return something " public static final native int[] getPids(String s, int ai[]);" ? Jul 09 15:01:38 why can't it? Jul 09 15:01:53 the decompiled class file seems to have no code Jul 09 15:01:55 theres native so I suppose it does Jul 09 15:03:22 i dont get it Jul 09 15:03:40 I generally dont get decompiled code ;-) Jul 09 15:04:02 michaelnovakjr: keep us up to date how the thing with limewire is going on. Jul 09 15:04:26 michaelnovakjr: what kind of music do they offer or which labels ? Jul 09 15:04:31 there you go pjv: http://rafb.net/p/7LNrKr42.html :) Jul 09 15:06:09 as I said, I think the fact that theres the native keyword means you shouldnt look at it like standard java code Jul 09 15:06:20 definitely, Jul 09 15:06:30 they just started a drm-free music store over at limewire Jul 09 15:06:32 probably calls functions of a library in a different language Jul 09 15:06:55 hm, any idea how i could find out? Jul 09 15:07:43 no Jul 09 15:11:20 michaelnovakjr: great. So tennis is delayed because of rain. :-) Jul 09 15:11:36 where are they playing? Jul 09 15:11:46 at our tennis club Jul 09 15:11:52 that sucks Jul 09 15:11:58 i'm a fan of golf :) Jul 09 15:12:01 :D Jul 09 15:12:13 Android Golf Simulator (or what was the name :D) Jul 09 15:13:03 this channel is about google android right? Jul 09 15:13:10 yes Jul 09 15:13:22 kk Jul 09 15:13:22 or OHA android if you want ;-) Jul 09 15:14:18 OHA Android sounds lame :D Jul 09 15:14:39 RyeGye24: have an android question? Jul 09 15:14:47 it doesnt sell, thats for sure Jul 09 15:14:53 not right now Jul 09 15:14:56 pjv: yeah :D Jul 09 15:15:01 im sorta getting re-into it Jul 09 15:15:08 rain? wtf where are you from Jul 09 15:15:35 my computer can't run the emulator correctly, so I really haven't done anything since google released it Jul 09 15:16:31 what OS do you run? Jul 09 15:16:32 computer too slow? Jul 09 15:16:52 the emulator is far better on mac than windows/linujx Jul 09 15:17:05 windows XP Jul 09 15:17:10 yea its too slow Jul 09 15:17:19 what was the adb command to clean emulator? Jul 09 15:17:28 its only too slow since the second version Jul 09 15:17:43 geez alex2308 really pushing the limits of my memory Jul 09 15:20:33 So I'm out now. Jul 09 15:20:50 bye Jul 09 15:21:02 bye Jul 09 15:21:25 l8er dude Jul 09 15:21:45 cya Jul 09 15:23:52 i managed to get around permission checks on android :) Jul 09 15:24:20 still no big deal in this early stage of the SDk Jul 09 16:09:58 ugh, just got back from Idaho Jul 09 16:10:03 Boise, in particular. Jul 09 16:10:06 I hate that place so much :) Jul 09 16:10:25 haha Jul 09 16:10:28 is there anything there? Jul 09 16:11:26 yes, gas-guzzling suvs and trucks everywhere :) Jul 09 16:11:38 haha Jul 09 16:11:42 i saw 4 hummers in our office park lot yesterday Jul 09 16:11:54 damn Jul 09 16:12:36 i was like "wow, a lot of hummers out here" and my co-worker said "yeah i know, i want one so bad." Jul 09 16:13:56 northern idaho is nice Jul 09 16:14:02 maybe not a place to live Jul 09 16:15:06 but it's quite pretty Jul 09 16:15:11 never been to boise Jul 09 16:15:19 it was also 98 degrees while i was there Jul 09 16:15:22 so that was quite Jul 09 16:15:27 quite unpleasant* Jul 09 16:15:35 it's pretty dry though, no? Jul 09 16:15:47 not really, no. not where i was anyway. Jul 09 16:16:01 it was just miserable Jul 09 16:16:02 hrm... seems odd to me that it would be that humid there Jul 09 16:17:30 the weather certainly isnt the worst part about it, though Jul 09 16:30:07 anyone got a gtalk account for testing? Jul 09 16:32:56 testing what? Jul 09 16:33:02 stealing credentials Jul 09 16:36:22 nevermind Jul 09 16:36:33 i created an account and stole my own credentials Jul 09 19:48:45 yawn Jul 09 20:22:33 re Jul 09 20:27:22 O_O Jul 09 20:35:24 lord Jul 09 20:35:31 i just tried out the new VMware Server 2 beta Jul 09 20:35:42 they force you to do everything through this web interface they created and it's awful Jul 09 20:36:37 clumsy, slow, and worse yet, their stupid "server console" firefox plugin crashes with SIGSEGV on my stock Ubuntu 8.04 box. Jul 09 20:38:48 i just installed the plugin on a windows machine and it also crashes Jul 09 20:38:51 really cute Jul 09 20:39:11 running a different version of firefox even Jul 09 20:42:30 they fired the CEO Jul 09 20:44:06 good thing, this version sucks Jul 09 20:44:34 the old version 1.0.5 doesn't seem to build on this server, i might just look at patching it instead of fighting with this terrible new version Jul 09 20:54:33 jasta how do you like ubuntu 8.04? Jul 09 20:59:52 nothing wrong with it Jul 09 20:59:58 relative to other versions Jul 09 21:04:07 and the vmware console plugin doesn't even install in IE6. Jul 09 21:04:11 what the fuck did they QA this thing on? Jul 09 21:07:42 jeez, i'll just figure out how to patch vmware server 1.0.5 instead of fuss with this. this thing is a trainwreck. Jul 09 21:13:38 jasta, doesn't crash on you at all? Jul 09 21:13:42 ubuntu that is Jul 09 21:13:44 no, should it? Jul 09 21:13:55 it was doing that to me all the time Jul 09 21:14:08 btw, what is "ubuntu crashing"? what in particular are you referring to? Jul 09 21:14:28 the system freezing Jul 09 21:14:45 can't get a terminal or anything? Jul 09 21:14:55 nothing Jul 09 21:15:05 do you know at what layer this problem exists? Jul 09 21:15:15 for example, did the kernel panic, or did X just stop responding? Jul 09 21:15:53 i believe it was just X Jul 09 21:16:41 but do realize that Ubuntu is just a distribution. it's unlikely they patched any component sufficient to cause catastrophic failure of the kernel or nearby components. it's much more likely your problem was contributed upstream and Ubuntu just exploits it by packaging newer software. Jul 09 21:17:17 i run the same version of X on another distro and don't have any problems Jul 09 21:17:20 so, it would be your civic duty to investigate the problem so that upstream can look at fixing it. lest you may find other distros failing on your system in this same way :) Jul 09 21:17:30 michaelnovakjr: then your diagnosis must be wrong. Jul 09 21:18:34 you should at least enable sysrq (is it on by default in ubuntu?) and see if you can recover the video and keyboard. assuming the kernel hasn't panic'd. Jul 09 21:18:38 that way you can try to figure out what happened Jul 09 21:18:40 on the running system Jul 09 21:18:56 quite likely some problem with your video driver if X is truly responsible. Jul 09 21:20:24 especially if you have ATI hardware, oh boy :) Jul 09 21:20:39 I thought ATI hardware was well supported now? Jul 09 21:20:40 nvidia Jul 09 21:22:11 well, as i said, it's quite unlikely (and in nvidia's case impossible) that Ubuntu has patched something sufficient to cause such a failure. Jul 09 21:23:42 mmm, I've had some instabilities on my rig that I haven't been able to track down yet. Jul 09 21:24:10 Sound stops working, about 5 minutes later, terminal's freeze, then apps just stop launching Jul 09 21:24:17 Kind of odd, haven't been able to find the cause. Jul 09 21:24:28 that should be a pretty easy one to diagnose ;) Jul 09 21:24:39 AttractiveApe: i had the same issues Jul 09 21:24:49 i just didn't have the time to sit down and look it it Jul 09 21:24:50 michaelnovakjr: heh, congrats ;) Jul 09 21:24:55 Any idea, jasta? Jul 09 21:25:30 well my first thought would be to figure out why sound stopped working the moment that it happens. because theyre probably related if the causality youve observed is correct. Jul 09 21:25:40 *nods* Jul 09 21:25:41 to do that, i'd first look at the state of the ALSA modules, assuming you're using alsa. Jul 09 21:26:16 and i'd try using lsof to see what's accessing the device (see the ALSA init.d scripts for a handy little oneliner) Jul 09 21:26:49 and i'd skim /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/kern.log Jul 09 21:27:00 certainly firing up tail -f when this problem happens Jul 09 21:27:12 and just trying to restart alsa using the init.d scripts would be a good thing to try Jul 09 21:27:21 firing up alsamixer to see if it can report any meaningful errors as well Jul 09 21:27:43 and i'd also try piping something through /dev/dsp just to see if the failure is maybe at a high layer Jul 09 21:28:08 as for "apps not launching", i'd drop to console and run DISPLAY=:0 xterm and see what happens both on stdout/stderr and in X. Jul 09 21:28:37 if nothing unusual, then i'd take a look at the state of the GNOME tool you're using to launch apps, like the panel Jul 09 21:29:00 and i'd try killing it that process if alive to see if that somehow corrects the issue (this is just a diagnostic approach to figure out what component is faulty) Jul 09 21:29:28 as for terminals freezing, i have no idea what you mean :) Jul 09 21:29:53 when you fire up a terminal it doesn't finish opening Jul 09 21:30:10 you get the window and the black (or whatever color background) and it stops Jul 09 21:30:19 no menu bar or text anywher Jul 09 21:30:32 And all of the open terminals get shaded grey. Jul 09 21:31:05 yea Jul 09 21:32:54 are you using compiz? if yes, i'd look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to figure out why your textures are being fubar'd. Jul 09 21:33:35 also, first thing i'd try is disabling compiz when all this starts happening to observe the behaviour without it. Jul 09 21:34:13 but still it sounds like launching your terminal app using DISPLAY=:0 ... from a console would be helpful to see what state the process gets itself in Jul 09 21:34:40 if none of this proves helpful, my next step would be to install the terminal app with debug symbols and attach gdb to it when this happens Jul 09 21:34:51 then you can see where its hanging, which is likely some X function which will help you determine what the issue is Jul 09 21:37:58 Yes to compiz, I just ran an instance of xterm to see if that freezes as well when it happens. Jul 09 21:38:21 I find that if I keep the alsa system busy playing music on a loop, it happens either less, or not at all. Jul 09 21:38:43 and are you using another, competing sound system? Jul 09 21:39:05 doesn't GNOME have some lame one it includes? ESD, I think? Jul 09 21:39:37 my first thought would be to just simply disable that, because it sounds like your sound driver doesn't handle hardware mixing as well as it claims to. Jul 09 21:43:11 but nothing you've reported seems like it would be especially hard to recover from. had you ever even tried restarting alsa from the init.d script? that reloads all the drivers, and can help you identify offending applications. Jul 09 21:43:18 hang on, let me find that usingsound script i have Jul 09 21:45:14 lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x(74|e)..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq Jul 09 21:45:34 that will list all the pids that are currently using the sound device(s) Jul 09 21:45:45 (i got it from the alsa init.d scripts) Jul 09 21:45:53 it is very useful for crappy sound cards (like mine) that don't do hardware mixing well Jul 09 23:55:35 Hey all.....anyone ever run into the issue where Android simply hangs booting up? Jul 09 23:55:54 Are you in the emulator? Jul 09 23:55:58 yeah Jul 09 23:56:05 Linux Jul 09 23:57:06 watching it with -debug-kernel, it gets to "binder_mmap: 567 ...... (4096 K) vma 71 pagep 5f" Jul 09 23:57:29 little red progress bar just keeps going, CPU going at 100% Jul 10 00:45:41 howdy Jul 10 02:05:24 howdy Jul 10 02:16:52 real quiet in here tonight huh? Jul 10 02:21:48 hey michaelnovakjr_ Jul 10 02:22:00 grad school homework :( Jul 10 02:28:32 TSchultz55: what are you doing for it? Jul 10 02:28:45 HCI class Jul 10 02:29:21 and for the individual assignment I'm doing it on Android Jul 10 02:29:40 nice Jul 10 02:31:07 what exactly is that white thing you can pull down from the top toolbar? Jul 10 02:31:18 kinda like a privacy blind or something? Jul 10 02:37:42 nope Jul 10 02:37:46 its the notification manager Jul 10 02:37:55 that is the OS notifier Jul 10 02:38:32 the blank white thing? Jul 10 02:38:37 so if your application registers a notification to the phone the little app icon appears in the bar and when the user pulls it down they see the notification Jul 10 02:38:56 http://code.google.com/p/weatherphone Jul 10 02:39:05 i think i have a screenshot of what one looks like Jul 10 02:39:43 ah interesting Jul 10 02:40:40 its a pain in the ass to operate in the emulator but when actually using a touch device its not bad at all Jul 10 02:40:42 yeah i guess i kind of associated pulling into the bottom and having it "stick" taking up the whole screen as some way of locking the device Jul 10 02:41:03 kind of like that one kind of blind you pull down Jul 10 02:41:10 i hated it at first Jul 10 02:41:19 then i tried it on a device and it is actually neat Jul 10 02:41:57 yeah i guess i misinterpreted the cues Jul 10 02:42:28 i strongly encourage notifier usage Jul 10 02:42:41 that is if you need to update the user while your application is not visible :) Jul 10 02:43:04 yeah I can see how that'd be usefu Jul 10 02:43:07 the notifications are clickable as well Jul 10 02:43:15 it brings up your app Jul 10 02:43:41 sounds cool Jul 10 02:43:53 so has anyone gotten Android to directly interact with a USB peripheral Jul 10 02:44:03 not too sure Jul 10 02:44:04 i think i may have asked this already Jul 10 02:44:24 i just saw 8GB micro cards for my phone online Jul 10 02:44:40 definitely going to be cool when i get android on there Jul 10 02:44:45 flac audio Jul 10 02:44:46 !! Jul 10 02:44:51 ah yeah Jul 10 02:45:04 how much? Jul 10 02:45:13 89 bucks with the usb reader Jul 10 02:45:45 its a little usb stick that the card slips in to hook it up to the computer Jul 10 02:46:22 ah thats not bad at all Jul 10 02:46:25 nope Jul 10 02:46:37 hopefully android is nice to my battery Jul 10 02:46:46 if so it'll definitely replace my ipod as well Jul 10 02:46:57 yeah that's what I'm working on now tho - getting a USB device to work if possible Jul 10 02:47:21 are the usb controllers in the kernel Jul 10 02:47:22 ? Jul 10 02:47:41 yeah see I don't see them right now Jul 10 02:47:49 but some older blog post refer to them being there Jul 10 02:47:54 possibly in older revisions Jul 10 02:48:18 do you have the latest kernel code? Jul 10 02:48:33 i'm assuming with the latest emulator package? Jul 10 02:48:40 feb. Jul 10 02:49:28 hm, the kernel code comes with the emulator?? Jul 10 02:49:54 don't quote me but i think the kernel is also at git.android.com Jul 10 02:49:58 oh the actual source you mean? Jul 10 02:50:01 yes Jul 10 02:50:10 ah no dont have that Jul 10 02:50:48 i'd check out the kernel code, if usb support is in their it should be registered somewhere in the kernel Jul 10 02:50:55 in there* Jul 10 02:51:53 http://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=tree;f=drivers/usb;h=1bac37259f9370e0d6d1601a2d4e6957f632a73c;hb=HEAD Jul 10 02:52:56 hey what do ya know! Jul 10 02:53:31 maybe I will do a build from the most recent Jul 10 02:55:43 that might work Jul 10 02:55:50 and make sure that tree is included Jul 10 02:56:06 i haven't messed with the kernel enough to know what the build is like Jul 10 02:56:30 i do love git though :) Jul 10 02:57:45 yeah maybe I'll give it spin Jul 10 02:58:04 not a bad idea Jul 10 02:58:25 i have intentions of getting familar with the kernel on android, but not until its more stable Jul 10 02:59:19 i'll let you know how it goes Jul 10 02:59:32 cool Jul 10 02:59:51 not this weekend tho - this weekend I'll be at Penn State **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 10 02:59:57 2008