**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 13 02:59:57 2008 Jul 13 03:04:18 heh Jul 13 03:15:22 howdy muthu Jul 13 03:15:28 hey Jul 13 03:15:33 mornin Jul 13 03:16:26 got any apps? Jul 13 03:17:17 hah no Jul 13 03:17:27 I read a bunch last night and I just got home..reading now. Jul 13 03:17:34 ok Jul 13 03:18:11 trying to figure out the whole content provider with something other than sqlite thing Jul 13 03:18:57 everything I see assumes you're using sqlite Jul 13 03:22:24 I'm thinking hard to see if I can avoid using a content provider Jul 13 03:22:35 do a orm Jul 13 03:22:49 I'm completely new to java and android :( Jul 13 03:23:00 why you are avoiding sqlite? Jul 13 03:23:25 because I think its too much messy work to write all your own queries Jul 13 03:23:33 its 2008, shit should be easier than that. Jul 13 03:24:03 ORM is the way of the future Jul 13 03:25:44 looks like that might be beyond my capability at this time though Jul 13 03:28:39 right Jul 13 03:28:47 call me crazy ;) Jul 13 03:28:50 what other database are you thinking? Jul 13 03:29:16 the data access is a mess Jul 13 03:29:20 can't argue there Jul 13 03:29:33 I meant to say that I'm avoiding using SQLite in the way everyone else seems to be doing Jul 13 03:29:54 there's no other way to do it Jul 13 03:30:05 Why not? Aren't there ORM's for java? Jul 13 03:30:19 yeah Jul 13 03:30:33 I saw db4o which uses its own database but i havent seen many other things Jul 13 03:30:53 well whats wrong with them? is everyones application so light on data access that they dont bother or what? Jul 13 03:31:43 yes, Jul 13 03:31:46 don't bother for now Jul 13 03:32:13 there's too many other things to focus on for now ;) Jul 13 03:32:44 hmm. Jul 13 03:33:21 that's the first thing that stuck me btw Jul 13 03:33:35 and i'm sure everyone thought of it Jul 13 03:33:41 but no one did anything Jul 13 03:34:25 yeah. Jul 13 03:35:30 since everyone was busy building stuff Jul 13 03:39:21 now would be a perfect time, while everyone is bitching about not having anything to do :) Jul 13 03:39:47 oh yeah Jul 13 03:41:57 lol i think they have stuff to do. Jul 13 03:42:06 they just dont care enough to do anything for android right now. Jul 13 03:42:20 hehe Jul 13 03:42:34 guess, not much resources Jul 13 03:52:12 anyways, im out Jul 13 03:52:13 see ya Jul 13 04:04:27 yakischloba: ORM is the way of the future << except ORM is expensive stuff to do on a cellphone Jul 13 04:04:43 true Jul 13 04:04:44 romainguy: yeah I kinda figured. Jul 13 04:04:59 and expensive means less battery for the user :) Jul 13 04:05:11 would still be intersted in some lite frameworks Jul 13 04:05:33 yeah. it doesn't have to be crazy. Jul 13 04:06:38 no but do you really need an ORM? Jul 13 04:06:47 yeah if you're a pussy Jul 13 04:08:53 we are all droids ;) Jul 13 04:17:36 is jbq here? Jul 13 04:17:40 nope Jul 13 04:17:47 great guy Jul 13 04:18:02 love him :) Jul 13 04:18:42 gave a lot of insight from your side Jul 13 04:18:50 really helpful Jul 13 05:18:02 interesting post: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/msg/fa17b0e011a3b8db?hl=en& Jul 13 08:27:53 michaelnovakjr: you there ? Jul 13 09:05:47 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/13/gphone-may-really-happen-and-ammunition-group-may-be-designing-it/ Jul 13 09:06:06 GPhone is a good idea Jul 13 09:15:25 I want one:-) Jul 13 09:15:49 davidw: next year may be ;) Jul 13 10:03:02 is anyone able to help with an N810 install of android? Jul 13 10:03:41 I have the deb and the image on the micro-sd but cant see them at all from the file manager or application manager Jul 13 12:59:06 looking for an opensource project to work on while learning the android sdk along the way... anyone knows any or manages one and needs help..? Jul 13 12:59:21 kirkt: ask jasta Jul 13 13:00:08 kirkt: another easy way to find is do an android search in code.google.com Jul 13 13:00:30 yea i've spent about 4 hours yesterday night looking for an opensource project Jul 13 13:00:50 its really hard to find one thats nice and that needs help Jul 13 13:01:07 jasta had a project Jul 13 13:01:10 called 'five' Jul 13 13:01:22 http://code.google.com/p/five/ Jul 13 13:01:29 not sure if he's looking for help Jul 13 13:02:24 i see Jul 13 13:02:55 also check anddev.org forums Jul 13 13:02:56 hu Jul 13 13:08:51 yep just did, nothing for opensource there. i'll just stay here and hope jasta will come around. Jul 13 13:17:52 michaelnovakjr: you there ? Jul 13 13:22:44 anno^da: still searching for michaelnovakjr__? Jul 13 13:22:59 yeah just want to ask him something Jul 13 13:23:13 got a new idea for an android application :) Jul 13 13:23:41 which includes his addiction to music Jul 13 13:45:35 great Jul 13 14:16:24 good morning. Jul 13 14:28:00 morning Jul 13 14:37:55 hows it going? Jul 13 18:09:31 Somone experiences with NAS devices ? Jul 13 18:11:30 i am on a constant search for a good one Jul 13 18:17:36 hmm yeah :) Jul 13 18:17:58 Mine needs to run a Slimserver, consuming less power Jul 13 18:18:03 thats it :) Jul 13 18:18:33 the problem is that the slimserver will serve a music library with round about 8000 flac files Jul 13 18:26:09 that is something i am constantly searching for... a device which consums very little power Jul 13 18:26:37 yeah Jul 13 18:26:49 btw... i am in love with this case: http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/products_detail.php?serno=100 Jul 13 18:26:54 the thing is I've found devices which need round about 5-8 W Jul 13 18:27:15 5-8W? the entire system? Jul 13 18:27:19 but they are too slow to fit my needs Jul 13 18:27:21 yeah Jul 13 18:27:44 wait a minute I'll post you the link Jul 13 18:28:15 alrighty Jul 13 18:30:15 hard to find? i guessed so ;) Jul 13 18:31:05 haha it is hard to refind it in the forum again :) Jul 13 18:31:18 just had the thread open 2 hours ago Jul 13 18:34:02 got it :) Jul 13 18:34:02 http://www.fit-pc.com/new/specifications.html Jul 13 18:34:13 today i read an article about the new AMD Athlon 64 2000+. it beats the atom system in power usage Jul 13 18:35:06 yeah that could be Jul 13 18:36:23 the system sounds okay Jul 13 18:36:29 propably quite affordable Jul 13 18:36:53 but i am missing some features like gigabit lan and customizable ram Jul 13 18:37:49 also the S in NAS is pretty limited ;) Jul 13 18:38:32 yeah thats right Jul 13 18:38:59 you could plugin an external storage but that consumes power Jul 13 18:39:08 via USB2.0 Jul 13 18:39:10 via usb you mean? Jul 13 18:39:13 yeah Jul 13 18:39:18 eSata would be better Jul 13 18:39:33 but that is not what i am looking for... a raid 5 or 6 is something i am searching for Jul 13 18:39:37 true Jul 13 18:39:43 Yeah ok Jul 13 18:39:45 http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/artigo/ Jul 13 18:39:53 thats another possibility in this class Jul 13 18:40:49 true. but not what i am looking for Jul 13 18:40:56 you are in search of some kind of music box? Jul 13 18:41:46 I will use a Squeezebox Jul 13 18:41:53 as a receiver Jul 13 18:42:11 and the SqueezeCenter (Slimserver) for serving the music Jul 13 18:42:26 sounds good i think Jul 13 18:42:36 http://slimdevices.com/ Jul 13 18:42:41 what i want is storage... a lot of storage Jul 13 18:42:50 Yeah I recognized that :D Jul 13 18:42:52 and a running linux system for downloads etc Jul 13 18:42:54 :) Jul 13 18:43:03 haha :) yeah Jul 13 18:43:15 but the box should also support streaming if necesarry Jul 13 18:43:26 looks interesting Jul 13 18:43:49 and the server is under the GPL Jul 13 18:43:58 which makes it even more interesting ;) Jul 13 18:44:07 yeah... i vagualy remember Jul 13 18:44:25 Yeah it was formally known as Slimdevices Jul 13 18:44:37 Logitech bought the whole company Jul 13 18:45:16 I really like the multiroom feature. You can control the musik in every room with one remote. Jul 13 18:45:28 that is pretty cool Jul 13 18:45:43 i would also like a system which plays the same music in every room Jul 13 18:45:47 in sync Jul 13 18:46:20 And if michaelnovakjr would be here I would propose him to write an remote for android for the slimserver Jul 13 18:46:32 Thats possbile as well. Jul 13 18:46:32 :) Jul 13 18:46:43 You can sync the music Jul 13 18:46:43 i heard the n800 is already running android? Jul 13 18:47:01 So every room plays the same music in sync :) Jul 13 18:47:11 that is good Jul 13 18:47:31 Yeah it is already running and even the wifi is working. But it is some m3 based setup. Jul 13 18:47:43 m3? Jul 13 18:47:49 the old SDK Jul 13 18:47:51 version Jul 13 18:48:08 ah ok Jul 13 18:49:15 there is a guy who has written a JSR-82 bluetooth remote that works with alot of phones Jul 13 18:49:21 its suprisingly easy to setup Jul 13 18:49:56 that are also the logitech remotes which can controll everything Jul 13 18:50:11 Yeah but they are so expensive. Jul 13 18:50:19 sad and true :( Jul 13 18:50:23 300 $ for one remote Jul 13 18:50:37 you could buy an iPod touch for that Jul 13 18:51:00 and use that http://penguinlovesmusic.de/?page_id=7 Jul 13 18:51:01 :) Jul 13 18:51:04 or anything else which costs 300$ ;) Jul 13 18:51:13 it is a remote written for OSX controlling the slimserver Jul 13 18:51:54 and thats what I want for Android as well :-) Jul 13 18:51:58 but it doesn't support every decice on earth Jul 13 18:52:18 Yeah thats true :-) Jul 13 18:52:41 But I'd like to fit my needs and not every devices need :-D Jul 13 18:52:53 i prefere world domination ;) Jul 13 18:54:47 speaking of world domination... soon there is nothing left to conquer since the iphone reigns in terror Jul 13 18:54:59 so hard times for the android Jul 13 18:55:10 hmm I wouldnt say that :) Jul 13 18:55:26 it feels like that at the moment Jul 13 18:55:34 because of the marketing wave Jul 13 18:55:51 even i feel tempted by the dark side Jul 13 18:55:51 every tv station, blog, news site is writting about it atm Jul 13 18:56:05 Oh I feel as well but thats no problem :) Jul 13 18:56:25 it looks clean polished and I like the fancy UI widgets Jul 13 18:56:35 so no problem about that. Jul 13 18:56:55 Just the Android UI guys have to work hard :-) Jul 13 18:57:02 i also like the eas of use and perceived speed Jul 13 18:57:47 but there are a lot of things i don Jul 13 18:57:57 't like so there is still room for the android :) Jul 13 18:58:08 definetly Jul 13 18:58:16 I hate the closed system Jul 13 18:58:42 closed and very limited. especially since you can't run apps in backgroud or multiple apps Jul 13 18:58:45 even if I use the Macbook Pro here. But there are a lot of things that I really hate Jul 13 18:59:11 Yeah this limitations save battery power on the other hand Jul 13 18:59:19 yeah true Jul 13 18:59:37 Having services running all the time can be very battery consuming Jul 13 18:59:41 and also protects the phone companies because people can't properly run im voip apps Jul 13 19:02:26 but... i do like the idea of the app store. such a repository is a great resource Jul 13 19:06:45 yeah but from my point of view it has to be more open Jul 13 19:06:59 and should be optional Jul 13 19:07:06 I dont like the idea of subscribing to be able to write apps and so on Jul 13 19:07:08 I should be able to install an app from any source if I want to Jul 13 19:07:15 yeah that as well Jul 13 19:08:08 correct Jul 13 19:08:34 it is the central idea which is good. there is no other place so you are not going to miss any cool app ;) Jul 13 19:11:25 there should be something similar for android where you can specify sources of applications like the sources list in debian Jul 13 19:11:55 Yeah thats what the Openmoko guys have Jul 13 19:12:08 they've setup repositories with apps Jul 13 19:12:23 and you just install them by something like apt-get install ... Jul 13 19:12:28 that is cool Jul 13 19:12:37 there already are a couple of package management apps for android Jul 13 19:12:38 although i don't belive in openmoko Jul 13 19:12:51 Yeah Tracktroid for example Jul 13 19:12:58 yep Jul 13 19:13:19 I dont believe it as well because they arent backed up by some big carriere Jul 13 19:13:41 that is their problem Jul 13 19:13:49 what license is the openmoko OS ? Jul 13 19:13:53 GPL Jul 13 19:13:58 totally GPL Jul 13 19:14:00 cool Jul 13 19:14:03 every driver Jul 13 19:14:19 even the CAD files of the case are under ther LGPL Jul 13 19:14:35 but how many devices use it? one Jul 13 19:14:54 and a system that is not really stable Jul 13 19:15:21 and a system with 3-4 framework iniatives Jul 13 19:15:24 maybe the new open symbian is a good alternative Jul 13 19:54:28 I had a look at an early version of openmoko and wasn't all that impressed Jul 13 19:54:36 I think Android is nice because google has some muscle and dollars Jul 13 20:28:32 good afternooon Jul 13 20:33:47 good afternoon Dougie Jul 13 20:33:54 hows it going? Jul 13 21:10:03 pretty good Jul 13 21:10:11 nice. Jul 13 21:10:16 tried to take a nap but couldnt fall all the way asleep Jul 13 21:10:59 good enough i guess, cant waste the whole afternoon. Jul 13 21:11:40 heh Jul 13 21:14:20 time to swing by work. cya. Jul 13 22:10:27 whattup Jul 14 02:10:02 its like a library in here..... Jul 14 02:11:33 shh! Jul 14 02:50:52 hi muthu Jul 14 02:51:11 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 14 02:59:56 2008