**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 18 02:59:57 2008
Jul 18 02:59:59 <dmoffett> Like?
Jul 18 03:00:07 <muthu> haha
Jul 18 03:00:14 <muthu> they are all my good friends
Jul 18 03:00:16 <dmoffett> Rumours to us but you know the truth.
Jul 18 03:00:22 <f00f-> exactly :D
Jul 18 03:00:37 <muthu> and everyone has an android phone already ;)
Jul 18 03:01:23 <muthu> adc 2 must be fun.. with the real device
Jul 18 03:02:04 <dmoffett> f00f and Muthu how are your apps coming along?  Are you ready for the second round?
Jul 18 03:02:06 <gambler> the java language seems to have grown alot in the last few years
Jul 18 03:02:25 <muthu> dmoffett: hell yeah!
Jul 18 03:02:32 <f00f-> dmoffett: mostly a rewrite here, lots of things happening
Jul 18 03:02:34 <muthu> gambler: java 5 was the major change
Jul 18 03:02:57 <f00f-> dmoffett: moved lots to the backend for performance reasons
Jul 18 03:03:09 <dmoffett> young guys can stay up all night re-write.
Jul 18 03:03:11 <f00f-> need to investigate massive horizontal scaling techniques after round 2
Jul 18 03:03:25 <f00f-> dmoffett: it's taking a toll, i can feel it.
Jul 18 03:03:27 <muthu> dmoffett: guess you are talking about f00f- here
Jul 18 03:03:35 <f00f-> muthu is as young as they come
Jul 18 03:03:40 <dmoffett> yep
Jul 18 03:03:48 <dmoffett> and doing a re-write.  Bold.
Jul 18 03:03:49 <muthu> i'm nearing the dreaded four zero!
Jul 18 03:04:05 <dmoffett> Don't make me laugh.
Jul 18 03:04:10 <f00f-> muthu: better have your mid-life crisis, and make it fast! :D
Jul 18 03:04:10 <muthu> haha
Jul 18 03:04:19 <muthu> f00f-: its over!!!!!!!!
Jul 18 03:04:27 <f00f-> heh
Jul 18 03:04:31 <f00f-> there are talks about quarter-life crises, too
Jul 18 03:04:33 <f00f-> i might be in one soon
Jul 18 03:04:36 <muthu> lol
Jul 18 03:04:47 <muthu> but mid-life crisis is real thang!
Jul 18 03:05:00 <dmoffett> My mid life crisis involved a new bike and a six pack.
Jul 18 03:05:22 <f00f-> dmoffett: six pack of beer, or abs?
Jul 18 03:05:22 <muthu> lol
Jul 18 03:05:35 <muthu> dmoffett: that's all? come on!
Jul 18 03:06:09 <dmoffett> I am whipped man.
Jul 18 03:07:03 <muthu> dmoffett: let me hear from you, there'll be only one right?
Jul 18 03:07:23 <dmoffett> I guess my D90 was considered a mid life.
Jul 18 03:07:25 <yakischloba> dmoffett: that sounds like every few months of my life ;)
Jul 18 03:08:14 <muthu> what's D90?
Jul 18 03:08:17 <f00f-> not sure waht a D90 is, but maybe i'm too young
Jul 18 03:08:23 <yakischloba> nikon?
Jul 18 03:08:28 <muthu> oh
Jul 18 03:08:38 <dmoffett> http://www.yellowdefender.com/
Jul 18 03:08:44 <dmoffett> not mine but similar.
Jul 18 03:08:50 <dmoffett> I sold it though.
Jul 18 03:08:51 <yakischloba> heh
Jul 18 03:09:08 <dmoffett> sweet ride but leaked oil all over the place.
Jul 18 03:09:14 <f00f-> nice!!
Jul 18 03:09:14 <yakischloba> yum
Jul 18 03:09:52 <dmoffett> Sold it for more that I paid for it.
Jul 18 03:11:30 <muthu> wow!
Jul 18 03:11:32 <muthu> nice
Jul 18 03:12:07 <muthu> dmoffett: what you have now?
Jul 18 03:12:21 <dmoffett> 1974 CJ 5.
Jul 18 03:12:29 <dmoffett> For the mountains around here.
Jul 18 03:12:39 <dmoffett> and an FJ Cruiser.
Jul 18 03:12:52 <f00f-> i could see you in an fj cruiser
Jul 18 03:12:59 <f00f-> my teammate has one
Jul 18 03:13:03 <f00f-> he jsuthad to have it
Jul 18 03:13:06 <f00f-> after graduation
Jul 18 03:13:20 <dmoffett> They are quite capable.
Jul 18 03:13:35 <f00f-> he has some motorcycle exhaust kit
Jul 18 03:13:38 <dmoffett> Probably bette than the D90.
Jul 18 03:13:40 <f00f-> so it vrooms nicely
Jul 18 03:13:45 <dmoffett> nice
Jul 18 03:13:54 <muthu> cool
Jul 18 03:14:28 <tkooda> is it possible (perhaps through the android.media.{AudioSubsystem,MediaRecorder} class?) to record audio received from the gsm+mic (e.g. to record both sides of a phonecall)?
Jul 18 03:14:34 <dmoffett> The cj is more fun since if I roll it over or hit the bottom I don't care.
Jul 18 03:15:29 <muthu> tkooda: i don't think audio recording ever worked
Jul 18 03:15:51 <tkooda> is it supposed to?
Jul 18 03:16:02 <dmoffett> One of the things that will be fixed we hope.  :-)
Jul 18 03:16:20 <dmoffett> Lot's of complaints about media player.
Jul 18 03:16:34 <tkooda> is that funcionality intended/allowed in the final design?
Jul 18 03:17:09 <tkooda> (e.g. recording both sides of a call)
Jul 18 03:17:57 <dmoffett> Sorry I don't know.  Some of the google guys may answer that question though.
Jul 18 03:18:59 <muthu> tkooda: is that kind of functionality available in iphone?
Jul 18 03:19:08 <tkooda> dunno
Jul 18 03:19:19 <tkooda> why?
Jul 18 03:19:39 <muthu> if its a common functionality available in other phones, it might be available in android
Jul 18 03:19:42 <muthu> that's the logic ;)
Jul 18 03:20:22 <tkooda> makes sense.  although I hope android's functionality isn't limited to the union of the features of other phones.  ;P
Jul 18 03:22:14 <muthu> right, no one knows what's in final version as of today
Jul 18 03:35:27 <Orph> I had a rotary phone when I was a kid.
Jul 18 03:38:50 <f00f-> me too, we started on that
Jul 18 03:39:14 <yakischloba> I'm not even old and I had a rotary phone at some point
Jul 18 03:40:36 <f00f-> yeah i grew up on one
Jul 18 03:40:39 <f00f-> i loved the rotary
Jul 18 03:40:43 <f00f-> like dial + wait
Jul 18 03:40:45 <f00f-> for it to come aroudn
Jul 18 03:40:54 <f00f-> pulse modulation ftw!
Jul 18 03:41:10 <f00f-> i remember commercials on tv or whatever
Jul 18 03:41:11 <f00f-> saying
Jul 18 03:41:14 <f00f-> you need a touch tone phone
Jul 18 03:41:15 <f00f-> etc.
Jul 18 03:41:20 <f00f-> or perss whatever for rotary
Jul 18 03:41:26 <f00f-> 'stay on the line' probably
Jul 18 03:42:07 <yakischloba> mmhmm
Jul 18 03:43:13 <Orph> Unfortunately, I did not have any coupled modem tho
Jul 18 03:43:25 <Orph> that would have been awesome, I didnt get a computer till I was 18, so I lost out there.
Jul 18 03:52:13 <muthu> rotary phones are great
Jul 18 03:52:34 <muthu> and the way people dialled.. each had their own style!
Jul 18 03:54:08 <yakischloba> We had touchtone. We just still had a rotary sitting around in one of the rooms.
Jul 18 03:54:12 <Orph> heh, rotary phone addon for android, is it in the cards?
Jul 18 04:39:00 <dmoffett> f00f: If you are willing to say, what technology are you using on the back end?
Jul 18 04:40:59 <dmoffett> They should make tele marketers use rotary dial phones.
Jul 18 05:19:56 <jasta> Work, Work!
Jul 18 05:20:04 <jasta> ...For the king!
Jul 18 05:42:31 <f00f-> dmoffett: right now for ADC, it's a simple PHP backend talking to MySQL on a FastCGI setup
Jul 18 07:47:55 <alex2308> morning
Jul 18 07:49:54 <spykid> Does this interesting to anyone :D http://tmonews.com/2008/07/details-emerge-on-t-mobiles-plans-for-the-remainder-of-2008-and-we-like-em/
Jul 18 08:00:41 <alex2308> no, im working for deutsche telekom. nothing new
Jul 18 08:10:39 <spykid> alex2308: Well these rumors were not new to me, but as it seems the become more concrete and the DREAM might become true earlier than most here expected... ;)
Jul 18 08:11:14 <alex2308> well, look at the timeline:
Jul 18 08:11:20 <Orph> is there anything concrete about android on Verizon?
Jul 18 08:11:33 <alex2308> touch diamond: very similar to android emulator / dream. allready on market
Jul 18 08:11:51 <alex2308> end of ADC early august
Jul 18 08:12:06 <alex2308> rumors say oct 2008
Jul 18 08:12:28 <alex2308> enough time to get the SDK release ready
Jul 18 08:13:39 <alex2308> only two things that could go wrong: very bugged SDK and lack of standard software
Jul 18 08:14:51 <alex2308> imho i believe they will launch in oct 2008 and software will be very buggy.
Jul 18 08:17:21 <spykid> alex2308: Like the iPhone 3G :D
Jul 18 08:18:59 <alex2308> decent design, nice hardware (except screen), average battery, aweful price, aweful itunes, aweful company: i'd take it for free, but never buy it
Jul 18 08:19:57 <Orph> I wonder how long before theres a dual touch android device.
Jul 18 08:20:09 <Orph> dualtouch/multi touch
Jul 18 08:20:31 <spykid> Orph: every heard of patents?
Jul 18 08:20:51 <alex2308> atm there is no big advantage in dual touch
Jul 18 08:20:51 <Orph> uh, yes?
Jul 18 08:20:56 <Orph> Apple didn't invent multi touch.
Jul 18 08:22:21 <alex2308> dont worry, people always steal apple ideas and improve them
Jul 18 08:22:27 <alex2308> for example: the mouse
Jul 18 08:22:36 <alex2308> the ipod
Jul 18 08:23:38 <Orph> Apple stole the mouse from Xerox
Jul 18 08:23:56 <alex2308> they did? i didnt knew
Jul 18 08:23:58 <Orph> and the Diamond Rio came out before the Ipod
Jul 18 08:24:12 <spykid> alex2308: apple got basically everthing from Xerox
Jul 18 08:24:35 <alex2308> well, then apple stole it, didnt improve it and others stole it again and improved it
Jul 18 08:24:36 <Orph> apples not big on doing new things.
Jul 18 08:24:42 <alex2308> that makes apple look even worse
Jul 18 08:24:58 <spykid> They are good at marketing ;)
Jul 18 08:25:01 <Orph> Very
Jul 18 08:25:10 * Orph installs Opera mini on android emulator
Jul 18 08:25:36 <alex2308> awesome at marketing
Jul 18 08:26:29 <alex2308> they make you think your balls will drop if you dont have an iphone
Jul 18 08:26:39 <alex2308> some stupid kids even believe it! :D
Jul 18 08:27:32 <Orph> I don't really hold any real ill will towards Apple.
Jul 18 08:29:45 <Orph> with apple, we wouldn't have "The Incredibles" or "Wall-E"
Jul 18 08:29:52 <Orph> so I see it as a winning tradeoff.
Jul 18 08:31:08 <Orph> well, I suppose it could have happened, but it would have been unlikely.
Jul 18 08:31:40 <alex2308> i dont know them
Jul 18 08:32:22 <Orph> Pixar?
Jul 18 08:32:26 <Orph> Toy Story?
Jul 18 08:32:31 <Orph> Finding Nemo?
Jul 18 08:39:04 <alex2308> ahh, i know them
Jul 18 08:39:39 <Orph> Pixar exists because Steve Jobs bought them from ILM
Jul 18 08:40:11 <Orph> using money he got by founding Apple.
Jul 18 08:40:28 <Orph> and Now Jobs is the largest shareholder of Disney.
Jul 18 08:41:51 <alex2308> i still dont like apple products :)
Jul 18 08:44:17 <Orph> well, I cant really fault the Iphone for having several new features and debuting at half of the price of the original.. heh
Jul 18 08:44:23 <Orph> If I wanted AT&T I would have had one by now.
Jul 18 08:47:59 <alex2308> its not the product itself
Jul 18 08:48:17 <alex2308> its the way its been sold that i dont like
Jul 18 11:46:05 <TraX1s^> Hi guys, is this a channel for the Linux-based Android for smartphones?
Jul 18 11:46:16 <duey> yes
Jul 18 11:46:23 <TraX1s^> Aww, cool.
Jul 18 11:48:01 <TraX1s^> Are you SDK ppl, or are some of you trying to make it work live on smartphones?
Jul 18 11:48:31 <muthu> you have both
Jul 18 11:48:48 <TraX1s^> ^^
Jul 18 11:49:08 <TraX1s^> I've been trying to get it working on my HTC Touch without luck most of the day ..
Jul 18 11:49:52 <duey> lol
Jul 18 11:49:59 <duey> I wonder why..
Jul 18 11:50:08 <TraX1s^> hehe
Jul 18 11:50:26 <muthu> not released yet
Jul 18 11:51:00 <TraX1s^> Ah well, early releases for testing via HaRET is what i've been playing with, so
Jul 18 11:51:23 <muthu> yeah no official support
Jul 18 11:51:45 <TraX1s^> Nope, but kinda cool to see it up and running live on a phone
Jul 18 11:52:44 <TraX1s^> does any of you know approximately when they launch a version that can be flashed to a phone?
Jul 18 11:53:17 <duey> never
Jul 18 11:53:31 <TraX1s^> ^^
Jul 18 11:53:34 <TraX1s^> lol
Jul 18 11:53:36 <muthu> when the devices come out
Jul 18 11:54:06 <duey> TraX1s^, they have not been very forth coming with any details, so no one really knows
Jul 18 11:54:38 <TraX1s^> yea i know duey, it kinda sucks ..
Jul 18 12:19:30 <davidw> October 20th
Jul 18 12:21:19 <alex2308> August 23th
Jul 18 12:26:09 <zhobbs_> related to the top: http://www.sonnyradio.com/oldphones.htm
Jul 18 12:26:14 <zhobbs_> topic*
Jul 18 12:26:36 <muthu> gphone will come with a rotary dial ;)
Jul 18 12:27:48 <zhobbs_> so who's working on a touchscreen rotary dial?
Jul 18 12:29:18 <alex2308> mh apple?
Jul 18 12:29:19 <zhobbs_> would be a pretty easy app to make
Jul 18 12:40:05 <muthu> a fun easy way to dial would be great
Jul 18 12:40:13 <muthu> you know like finger paint
Jul 18 12:52:21 <alex2308> you know, you could do it
Jul 18 13:23:22 <michaelnovakjr> howdy folks
Jul 18 13:24:53 <alex2308> howdy michael novak junior
Jul 18 13:26:56 <michaelnovakjr> how's it going
Jul 18 13:27:14 <alex2308> runs
Jul 18 13:31:07 <michaelnovakjr> runs?
Jul 18 13:32:31 <alex2308> wouldnt "goes be a right answer?
Jul 18 13:32:42 <alex2308> i though "runs" would be an even better answer then
Jul 18 13:34:21 <michaelnovakjr> interesting, just never heard it that way before
Jul 18 13:47:39 <alex2308> english isnt a native language for me
Jul 18 13:47:48 <alex2308> its the third language im learning
Jul 18 13:53:27 <anno^da> SDK at the fith of august is that right ?
Jul 18 13:54:01 <michaelnovakjr> damn, third language huh.... thats pretty good
Jul 18 13:55:05 <anno^da> alex2308: what are the languages you speak ? I'm speaking english, french and little bit of italian + german as native language.
Jul 18 13:57:16 <alex2308> german bulgarian
Jul 18 13:57:21 <alex2308> english as 3rd
Jul 18 13:57:29 <alex2308> et je sais parler un peut francais
Jul 18 13:58:11 <anno^da> a great bulgarien.
Jul 18 13:58:20 <anno^da> So now whats are the informations about the SDK :)
Jul 18 13:58:45 <alex2308> the wp-blog of the guy isnt vuln to the exploit i got
Jul 18 13:58:47 <michaelnovakjr> the deadline for round 2 is aug 5th
Jul 18 13:58:54 <alex2308> so i couldnt manage to hack into
Jul 18 13:59:57 <michaelnovakjr> i've got a remote logcat application running for android if anyone is interested
Jul 18 14:00:07 <michaelnovakjr> it works well if you are playing around with a handset
Jul 18 14:00:46 <alex2308> doenst boot on my handset (touch diamond)
Jul 18 14:00:53 <michaelnovakjr> why not?
Jul 18 14:01:54 <alex2308> haret not working on it
Jul 18 14:04:06 <NiZoX> anno^da: tu es français ?
Jul 18 14:04:47 <michaelnovakjr> that sucks :(
Jul 18 14:07:21 <anno^da> NiZoX: No j'habite en allemagne.
Jul 18 14:07:54 <NiZoX> ok :)
Jul 18 14:13:44 <zhobbs_> muthu: looks like there is a rotary dialer for the iphone: http://gizmodo.com/5023924/iphone-app-review-marathon-liveblog (3/4 way down, search for rotarydialer)
Jul 18 14:19:06 <muthu> wow
Jul 18 14:19:53 <michaelnovakjr> hm
Jul 18 14:20:06 <michaelnovakjr> does it show you the number you hit or is it one of those fun guesses
Jul 18 14:20:27 <michaelnovakjr> i'd be interested in doing one for android
Jul 18 14:26:30 <muthu> do it with the sounds
Jul 18 14:28:18 <zhobbs_> gotta have the clicking sound
Jul 18 14:28:24 <michaelnovakjr> totally
Jul 18 14:28:47 <michaelnovakjr> i'll even record the one i have at home to get a true sound
Jul 18 14:53:09 <michaelnovakjr> so muthu, have you been contacted by Martha Stewart?
Jul 18 15:01:07 <muthu> hey michaelnovakjr__
Jul 18 15:01:13 <michaelnovakjr> what's up
Jul 18 15:01:29 <muthu> sorry, was in call with martha ;)
Jul 18 15:02:22 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 18 15:02:49 <SanMehat> jasta: ping
Jul 18 15:03:45 <michaelnovakjr> jasta's a west coaster... not sure he's around yet
Jul 18 15:04:54 <heat> i'm a west coaster
Jul 18 15:05:08 <SanMehat> so am i
Jul 18 15:05:20 <SanMehat> just lazy. thats all there is to it
Jul 18 15:07:16 <michaelnovakjr> damn, you guys start early
Jul 18 15:07:33 <SanMehat> its late for me actually
Jul 18 15:07:53 <michaelnovakjr> geez
Jul 18 15:08:00 <michaelnovakjr> i can't function at 8 am
Jul 18 15:08:02 <alex2308> start? what time/day is it SanMehat?
Jul 18 15:08:12 * heat elbows san (while hearing him typing outloud)
Jul 18 15:08:29 <SanMehat> its 8:00 am
Jul 18 15:08:37 <SanMehat> or something
Jul 18 15:09:25 <alex2308> 5 pm here
Jul 18 15:09:35 <alex2308> im nearly in the weekend
Jul 18 15:09:48 <SanMehat> lucky you
Jul 18 15:09:52 <heat> europe?
Jul 18 15:10:43 <alex2308> y, germany
Jul 18 15:11:08 <SanMehat> beer woulmmm beer
Jul 18 15:12:24 <alex2308> oh, ic, youre working like us
Jul 18 15:13:37 <SanMehat> lol not yet... i'm on the shuttle to work
Jul 18 15:13:51 * SanMehat answers yes to the /topic
Jul 18 15:14:31 <michaelnovakjr> love that shuttle huh?
Jul 18 15:15:32 <heat> shuttle is awesome
Jul 18 15:15:32 <jasta> SanMehat: pong?
Jul 18 15:16:05 <alex2308>     .     |
Jul 18 15:16:07 <michaelnovakjr> howdy jasta
Jul 18 15:16:14 <michaelnovakjr> |         .
Jul 18 15:16:19 <alex2308> lol
Jul 18 15:16:23 <SanMehat> jasta: sup
Jul 18 15:16:35 <jasta> not much, just waking up for work.
Jul 18 15:16:45 <SanMehat> already on the shuttle
Jul 18 15:16:51 <SanMehat> got tons of stuff to do today
Jul 18 15:16:54 <jasta> and by that i mean sitting in my robe on irc
Jul 18 15:16:59 <SanMehat> uh TMI dude.
Jul 18 15:17:06 <SanMehat> i dont need to know what you're wearing.
Jul 18 15:17:07 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 18 15:17:18 <SanMehat> just what you're coding on. :)
Jul 18 15:17:35 <michaelnovakjr> jasta i sent you an email with the info for the remote logger
Jul 18 15:17:41 <jasta> sweet
Jul 18 15:17:57 <michaelnovakjr> i just tossed it up on my git server
Jul 18 15:18:10 <michaelnovakjr> there's the apk, server binary, and source code for both
Jul 18 15:19:11 <michaelnovakjr> its basically like watching adb logcat while running the emulator
Jul 18 15:19:24 <michaelnovakjr> except the app is on a device and you are on a remote computer :)
Jul 18 15:20:41 <michaelnovakjr> i tested the logger on linux and freebsd
Jul 18 15:21:36 <tethridge> hey guys, what's new with android?
Jul 18 15:21:45 <tethridge> any word on a new sdk?
Jul 18 15:21:45 <NiZoX> nothing..
Jul 18 15:21:54 <tethridge> great
Jul 18 15:22:23 <alex2308> bsd <3 <3
Jul 18 15:23:05 <alex2308> jasta put on him robe and wizard hat
Jul 18 15:23:35 <alex2308> jasta cast lvl 3 eroticism. SanMehat turn into real beautiful woman.
Jul 18 15:23:55 <SanMehat> thanks. i think.
Jul 18 15:23:57 <jasta> Level 3?  For San?  No, no.  You need a much higher spell for that :)
Jul 18 15:24:14 <michaelnovakjr> is this alt.sex now?
Jul 18 15:24:16 <SanMehat> :)
Jul 18 15:24:17 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 18 15:24:51 <jasta> brb
Jul 18 15:25:08 <zhobbs_> don't get me started on alt.*, time warner stopped providing usenet servers
Jul 18 15:25:28 <alex2308> michaelnovakjr this is http://bash.org/?104383
Jul 18 15:25:33 <alex2308> i thought at least you know
Jul 18 15:25:51 <alex2308> well, you knew pong, guess one bash.org quote per day is the limit
Jul 18 15:26:30 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 18 15:29:31 <alex2308> im off into weekend
Jul 18 15:29:38 <alex2308> cya monday android dudez
Jul 18 15:29:56 <michaelnovakjr> enjoy!
Jul 18 15:39:25 * AttractiveApe pokes jasta
Jul 18 15:39:57 <michaelnovakjr> hey!
Jul 18 15:40:12 <AttractiveApe> morning michaelnovakjr
Jul 18 15:40:13 <AttractiveApe> how goes?
Jul 18 15:40:13 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe: i've got the log apk
Jul 18 15:40:20 <AttractiveApe> hurrah
Jul 18 15:40:24 <michaelnovakjr> not bad, yourself?
Jul 18 15:40:31 <AttractiveApe> Apparently Martin fixed the sdhc driver
Jul 18 15:40:33 <AttractiveApe> gonna test now.
Jul 18 15:40:38 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Jul 18 15:40:49 <michaelnovakjr> i wrote an apk that pushes the logcat to a server
Jul 18 15:41:06 <michaelnovakjr> in realtime, so as you use it the server is getting the log streamed
Jul 18 15:41:19 <AttractiveApe> yeah I saw you talking about it last night
Jul 18 15:41:20 <muthu> nice idea
Jul 18 15:41:29 <AttractiveApe> It's a great idea :)
Jul 18 15:41:50 <michaelnovakjr> i posted the stuff on my git server
Jul 18 15:42:01 <michaelnovakjr> i included the apk, server app and the source
Jul 18 15:42:25 <michaelnovakjr> still has a few glitches, like stopping....
Jul 18 15:42:28 <AttractiveApe> oh rly.
Jul 18 15:42:38 <AttractiveApe> Does the apk allow you to configure what IP you're sending the log to?
Jul 18 15:42:40 <michaelnovakjr> but you can start the service and navigate away and use the phone
Jul 18 15:42:46 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe: the ip and port
Jul 18 15:42:55 <michaelnovakjr> ip or domain name
Jul 18 15:43:20 <michaelnovakjr> the serverside updates in realtime so you see it the sameway you see adb logcat output
Jul 18 15:44:11 <AttractiveApe> great
Jul 18 15:44:19 <AttractiveApe> Can I have your git url?
Jul 18 15:44:31 <michaelnovakjr> oh yea, duh
Jul 18 15:44:33 <muthu> you write it as text file?
Jul 18 15:44:43 <michaelnovakjr> muthu: you can redirect output to a text file
Jul 18 15:44:47 <AttractiveApe> yay, sdhc card works.
Jul 18 15:44:52 <AttractiveApe> leetness.
Jul 18 15:44:53 <michaelnovakjr> or have it go to stdout
Jul 18 15:45:01 <muthu> cool
Jul 18 15:45:06 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe: git@git.novaklabs.com:bugreporter.git
Jul 18 15:45:13 <michaelnovakjr> you have git right?
Jul 18 15:45:42 <AttractiveApe> Nope, new install.  sudo apt-get install git =)
Jul 18 15:45:55 <michaelnovakjr> sudo apt-get install git-core
Jul 18 15:46:08 <AttractiveApe> yeah that one too
Jul 18 15:46:21 <michaelnovakjr> if more people want to use it i'll put up a trac page with a tarball
Jul 18 15:46:31 <muthu> michaelnovakjr__: that should be more like a log library
Jul 18 15:46:32 <michaelnovakjr> i just got lazy at 8am :)
Jul 18 15:46:44 <muthu> probably an extension to Logcat
Jul 18 15:46:54 <michaelnovakjr> what do you mean by log library?
Jul 18 15:47:04 <muthu> a jar file
Jul 18 15:47:08 <muthu> not an apk
Jul 18 15:47:24 <michaelnovakjr> well it has a UI
Jul 18 15:47:35 <michaelnovakjr> so you can type in a server addr and port numbe
Jul 18 15:47:37 <michaelnovakjr> r
Jul 18 15:47:55 <muthu> oh
Jul 18 15:48:30 <michaelnovakjr> it was really simple so i just stuck it all in an apk and ran the logger as a service
Jul 18 15:49:43 <michaelnovakjr> there's a default port i chose, but both pieces can specify an alternative
Jul 18 15:52:11 <AttractiveApe> muthu: I don't use git, what's the command to checkout?
Jul 18 15:52:26 <muthu> i use svn
Jul 18 15:52:28 <michaelnovakjr> git clone git@git.novaklabs.com:bugreporter.git
Jul 18 15:52:44 <muthu> need to probably use git
Jul 18 15:52:45 <AttractiveApe> Uh, apparently I need a password?
Jul 18 15:52:59 <michaelnovakjr> really? for read access?
Jul 18 15:53:29 <AttractiveApe> That's what your command tells me.
Jul 18 15:53:33 * AttractiveApe is clueless with git.
Jul 18 15:53:41 <michaelnovakjr> sorry one sec
Jul 18 15:54:58 <michaelnovakjr> try git clone git://git.novaklabs.com/bugreporter.git
Jul 18 15:55:23 <AttractiveApe> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Jul 18 15:55:33 <AttractiveApe> Wanna just send me a tar?
Jul 18 15:57:11 <michaelnovakjr> gve the last command another try... if that does work i'll get you a tar
Jul 18 15:57:27 <AttractiveApe> worked
Jul 18 15:57:34 <michaelnovakjr> sweet
Jul 18 15:57:47 <michaelnovakjr> i forgot to turn on public read access when i restarted it last week
Jul 18 15:59:28 <michaelnovakjr> there's precompiled files there
Jul 18 15:59:45 <michaelnovakjr> saves the 2 seconds it takes to run ant and gcc :)
Jul 18 16:00:03 <AttractiveApe> *shrugs*
Jul 18 16:00:06 <AttractiveApe> installed the apk, booting
Jul 18 16:00:10 <michaelnovakjr> nice
Jul 18 16:00:23 <AttractiveApe> new version boots much faster than the old ones, btw.
Jul 18 16:00:29 <AttractiveApe> about 5s boot, I think.
Jul 18 16:00:36 <AttractiveApe> WinMo is much longer.
Jul 18 16:00:37 <michaelnovakjr> sweet, i have to get the new one on my phone tonight
Jul 18 16:02:10 <AttractiveApe> You have a Vogue, michaelnovakjr?
Jul 18 16:02:18 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 18 16:02:23 <AttractiveApe> aha nice.
Jul 18 16:02:43 <michaelnovakjr> its not my primary phone at the moment, but i like it
Jul 18 16:03:39 <AttractiveApe> Too bad, this file browser someone released doesn't seem to show up in the menu.
Jul 18 16:06:17 <michaelnovakjr> apk load up?
Jul 18 16:06:23 <AttractiveApe> Yours?
Jul 18 16:06:24 <AttractiveApe> Yes.
Jul 18 16:06:35 <michaelnovakjr> sweet
Jul 18 16:06:38 <AttractiveApe> Did you test your app on a live phone yet?
Jul 18 16:06:44 <michaelnovakjr> not yet
Jul 18 16:06:54 <michaelnovakjr> i have to install android again on it
Jul 18 16:07:20 <michaelnovakjr> did you connect it to a remote machine?
Jul 18 16:08:12 <AttractiveApe> Not yet.
Jul 18 16:08:20 <AttractiveApe> Turned android off, need to tidy my memcard.
Jul 18 16:08:50 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Jul 18 16:09:10 <michaelnovakjr> i'll be back in a half hour
Jul 18 16:21:24 <jasta> AttractiveApe: just about done with the downloader.
Jul 18 16:21:27 <jasta> probably have it before lunch
Jul 18 16:22:14 <jasta> and the reboot app :)
Jul 18 16:24:14 <AttractiveApe> pidgin crashed.
Jul 18 16:37:00 <muthu> AttractiveApe: what device are you running it on?
Jul 18 16:37:15 <AttractiveApe> Vogue
Jul 18 16:37:25 <muthu> got anything working?
Jul 18 16:38:07 <AttractiveApe> What do you mean?
Jul 18 16:38:12 <muthu> the apps
Jul 18 16:38:32 <AttractiveApe> Just been playing with jasta's stuff lately.
Jul 18 16:38:46 <AttractiveApe> The android time program is pretty cool, browser works, gmaps works
Jul 18 16:38:56 <muthu> great
Jul 18 16:39:13 <AttractiveApe> Why do you ask?
Jul 18 16:40:15 <muthu> curious.. on the progress
Jul 18 17:04:08 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
Jul 18 17:17:59 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe: i was actually writing a file manager for android
Jul 18 17:18:07 <AttractiveApe> Ah cool
Jul 18 17:18:09 <michaelnovakjr> really simple.... just an interface to commands
Jul 18 17:18:12 <AttractiveApe> I'd like yours better then ;p
Jul 18 17:18:24 <michaelnovakjr> like browsing files and/or creating dirs
Jul 18 17:18:35 <AttractiveApe> All I really want.
Jul 18 17:19:27 <michaelnovakjr> it'll create a default user directory when you open it for the first time
Jul 18 17:19:34 <michaelnovakjr> i'll have it finished tonight
Jul 18 17:20:15 <michaelnovakjr> i wonder if jasta knows there's a download directory in the data directory
Jul 18 17:59:45 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: ?
Jul 18 17:59:54 <michaelnovakjr> hey
Jul 18 18:00:11 <jasta> a download dir?  for what?  the browser?
Jul 18 18:00:20 <michaelnovakjr> not sure
Jul 18 18:00:24 <michaelnovakjr> its in /data/download
Jul 18 18:00:31 <jasta> i doubt it is helpful or works for anything useful
Jul 18 18:00:50 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: i added you to android-random btw
Jul 18 18:00:59 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Jul 18 18:01:48 <michaelnovakjr> i'm whipping up a quick file browser
Jul 18 18:02:00 <jasta> nice.
Jul 18 18:02:02 <jasta> that will be helpul :)
Jul 18 18:02:03 <jasta> helpful :)
Jul 18 18:02:14 <jasta> make it nice, though.  that is something that can be used long term even.
Jul 18 18:02:22 <jasta> use icons and stuff :)
Jul 18 18:02:26 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i'm doing a list view and icon view
Jul 18 18:03:11 <zhobbs_> I thought anddev might have a file browser
Jul 18 18:04:16 <jasta> i just committed the HTTP GET tool to android-random
Jul 18 18:04:19 <michaelnovakjr> got a link?
Jul 18 18:04:22 <michaelnovakjr> nice
Jul 18 18:04:25 <jasta> haven't test it yet though, i'm gonna finish packaging it up first
Jul 18 18:04:37 <jasta> i mean, that's not what i meant :)
Jul 18 18:04:48 <jasta> i have to finish some small features.
Jul 18 18:05:27 <michaelnovakjr> is it like a package manager?
Jul 18 18:05:46 <michaelnovakjr> it would be nice to start an apk repo to quickly download from
Jul 18 18:06:24 <jasta> yeah, but i don't think that's a good investment of time
Jul 18 18:06:27 <zhobbs_> so I'm out of the loop, is android useable on the vouge yet?
Jul 18 18:06:49 <jasta> zhobbs_: it's come pretty far, yeah.
Jul 18 18:06:51 <michaelnovakjr> it doesn't have to be fancy
Jul 18 18:06:54 <jasta> write support is in there now, using the sd card.
Jul 18 18:07:43 <zhobbs_> cool, maybe I'll have to pick one up
Jul 18 18:08:12 <michaelnovakjr> i'm installing the latest updates to my phone tonight
Jul 18 18:08:55 <jasta> i had troubles with the data connection, but it did work sometimes
Jul 18 18:09:01 <jasta> others seem to report better success
Jul 18 18:09:30 <jasta> the screen resolution is different though, so some things don't look quite right :)
Jul 18 18:09:36 <michaelnovakjr> i installed it like a month or two ago and it was cool
Jul 18 18:09:41 <jasta> but thankfully your own app can be adjusted to work nicely on other resolutions
Jul 18 18:09:50 <zhobbs_> what's the res?
Jul 18 18:10:31 <zhobbs_> does it work on a bunch of htc's?  any of them ATT or unlocked?
Jul 18 18:11:15 <michaelnovakjr> i have the touch by htc through sprint
Jul 18 18:11:28 <michaelnovakjr> it was working nicely
Jul 18 18:12:38 <jasta> AttractiveApe: i dont know if a reboot app will be possible
Jul 18 18:12:57 <michaelnovakjr> i had to do a hard reset every time
Jul 18 18:13:03 <jasta> zhobbs_: only the htc vogue works well
Jul 18 18:13:06 <jasta> which is the phone michaelnovakjr mentioned
Jul 18 18:13:18 <jasta> AttractiveApe: the reboot command seems bunk, and the provided init has no runlevels
Jul 18 18:13:29 <jasta> i could maybe punch through with JNI.
Jul 18 18:13:52 <michaelnovakjr> jasta can you go low level?
Jul 18 18:14:18 <michaelnovakjr> does the shell have a reboot command?
Jul 18 18:14:29 <jasta> AttractiveApe: try booting into a shell using the android stack and invoking reboot.  if that works, then we're good, but i dont think it will.
Jul 18 18:14:39 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: yeah but in my tests with the emulator, it seems defunct.
Jul 18 18:14:48 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i just tried it
Jul 18 18:14:51 <jasta> perhaps just because the emulation is thin, but there's an easy-ish way to test.
Jul 18 18:15:11 <jasta> as i said, just boot the stack but use init=/bin/sh and invoke reboot with the OSK
Jul 18 18:17:24 <michaelnovakjr> yea, it gets hung in the emulator
Jul 18 18:17:48 <michaelnovakjr> it actually freezes my running emulator
Jul 18 18:22:49 <jasta> so modify default.txt and test it that way
Jul 18 18:24:59 <AttractiveApe> mkay, I'll try that in a sec.
Jul 18 18:35:57 <AttractiveApe> hmm, it seems to ignore the init= parameter.
Jul 18 18:38:33 <jasta> really?
Jul 18 18:38:38 <jasta> well, then just edit /init :)
Jul 18 18:38:52 <jasta> drop it to a shell from there
Jul 18 18:42:42 <AttractiveApe> I used the broken kernel to get commandline
Jul 18 18:42:46 <AttractiveApe> we have busybo
Jul 18 18:42:47 <AttractiveApe> x
Jul 18 18:43:07 <AttractiveApe> but reboot doesn't do anything :(
Jul 18 18:43:49 <michaelnovakjr> googlecode svn is sllloooowwww
Jul 18 18:44:02 <AttractiveApe> running init just locks the term
Jul 18 18:44:06 <AttractiveApe> err, tty
Jul 18 18:44:17 <AttractiveApe> The lack of a Ctrl key makes this hard to exit.
Jul 18 18:46:07 <jasta> AttractiveApe: thats what i thought
Jul 18 18:46:21 <michaelnovakjr> i put up the RemoteLogger apk and server app to the downloads on android-random
Jul 18 18:46:27 <michaelnovakjr> and the code into the svn
Jul 18 18:46:52 <jasta> nice :)
Jul 18 18:47:25 <michaelnovakjr> i'll have something of a file browser done tonight
Jul 18 18:47:30 <michaelnovakjr> i've already started :)
Jul 18 18:47:52 <michaelnovakjr> the wonders of busy work.... keeps you from pulling your hair out
Jul 18 18:48:13 <michaelnovakjr> its felt like a year since the adc round 1 deadline
Jul 18 18:49:34 <jasta> yeah, it was a different world, eh?
Jul 18 18:49:47 <michaelnovakjr> oh yea
Jul 18 19:00:07 <AttractiveApe> made a new initrd that exec's /bin/sh
Jul 18 19:00:26 <AttractiveApe> Have any more questions about directory layout jasta?
Jul 18 19:02:23 <jasta> no, i can examine the data.img without a device :)
Jul 18 19:02:37 <AttractiveApe> well, or anything else.
Jul 18 19:02:41 <AttractiveApe> running top on this is funny.
Jul 18 19:02:47 <jasta> hehe
Jul 18 19:02:52 <jasta> yeah it looks silly heeh
Jul 18 19:03:09 <jasta> you could do that to the emulator too ;)
Jul 18 19:03:23 <AttractiveApe> the lack of me accessing the pipes with the OSK is very annoying
Jul 18 19:04:48 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe: you can download the remote logger from the android-random project site.  no need to checkout code
Jul 18 19:05:21 <jasta> AttractiveApe: the downloader is almost done, so hang tight :)
Jul 18 19:08:08 <AttractiveApe> hah, one of the guys opened vi on the phone, I can't exit it.
Jul 18 19:08:10 <AttractiveApe> hilarious.
Jul 18 19:08:18 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 18 19:08:25 <AttractiveApe> michaelnovakjr: link?
Jul 18 19:08:37 <michaelnovakjr> http://android-random.googlecode.com
Jul 18 19:08:45 <michaelnovakjr> its under the downloads section
Jul 18 19:09:17 <AttractiveApe> oh
Jul 18 19:09:33 <AttractiveApe> I think I have it on there, it's not displaying in the android menu
Jul 18 19:11:49 <jasta> romainguy_: anything special you need to do to convert an indeterminate progressdialog to determinate?
Jul 18 19:12:05 <jasta> i called setIndeterminate(false) on the dialog, but it seems not to have affected it's animation or drawing.
Jul 18 19:13:49 <jasta> actually seems to be indeterminate no matter what i do, hmm.
Jul 18 19:15:00 <jasta> let me guess, fixed in the next version? :)
Jul 18 19:16:19 <AttractiveApe> hmmm, when you mount a vfat partition under Linux, it's normally showing up as vfat, yeah?
Jul 18 19:16:35 <AttractiveApe> or rather, mount a fat32 under linux, shows as vfat
Jul 18 19:16:41 <jasta> yeah
Jul 18 19:17:02 <AttractiveApe> This is showing up as msdos, has 8 letter filenames
Jul 18 19:20:56 <jasta> AttractiveApe: maybe ill write that solitaire engine i had planned to keep you entertained with your shiny new android phone
Jul 18 19:21:03 <jasta> :P
Jul 18 19:39:56 <jasta> AttractiveApe: ok, done.  i'm uploading it now...
Jul 18 19:40:28 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 18 19:41:42 <jasta> googlecode is sucking bad today
Jul 18 19:43:24 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 18 19:43:27 <michaelnovakjr> really really slow
Jul 18 19:46:27 <jasta> AttractiveApe: http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/httpdownloader-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.apk
Jul 18 19:46:56 <jasta> it's not fancy, so be careful with it :)
Jul 18 19:47:03 <jasta> (it overwrites without asking)
Jul 18 19:49:06 <jasta> (note, you need to install that to /system/app)
Jul 18 19:50:09 <jasta> hmm, hang on, i'm having a problem using it to write to /data/app even still
Jul 18 19:50:50 <jasta> looks like installing to /system/app doesn't do what i thought (run as root)
Jul 18 19:51:05 <jasta> you might need to chmod /data/app
Jul 18 19:51:54 <jasta> lame, that is necessary.
Jul 18 19:52:12 <jasta> chmod 0777 /data/app on your data.img, then i guess you can install this apk into /data/app if you want since it doesnt seem to matter
Jul 18 19:52:28 <jasta> hang on, let me see if i can figure out how to get the app to run as system or root
Jul 18 19:53:38 <michaelnovakjr> hm, voice dailer
Jul 18 19:54:17 <michaelnovakjr> some interesting apk names popup as  not found if you type runtime in the shell
Jul 18 19:55:25 <jasta> yeah, i can only imagine how bad-ass their stack looks :)
Jul 18 19:55:27 <jasta> compared to ours
Jul 18 19:55:35 <jasta> probably usable, even.
Jul 18 19:59:27 <jasta> AttractiveApe: http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/httpdownloader-0.0.1-20080718.apk -- fixed some stupid bug
Jul 18 19:59:37 <jasta> anyway, you will want to chmod /data/app apparently.  lame.
Jul 18 20:00:01 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, you can write in any subdir of /data right?
Jul 18 20:00:21 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: nothing happens when i start your service it seems
Jul 18 20:00:27 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: apparently not, no.
Jul 18 20:00:29 <jasta> not as an app
Jul 18 20:00:35 <michaelnovakjr> hm
Jul 18 20:00:43 <michaelnovakjr> jasta you started the server app?
Jul 18 20:01:06 <jasta> no, but i have nc -l -p running
Jul 18 20:01:09 <jasta> and i saw no connection
Jul 18 20:01:16 <jasta> im debugging it now
Jul 18 20:01:27 <jasta> btw, i installed your app using the downloader hehe
Jul 18 20:01:31 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 18 20:01:51 <jasta> W/ActivityManager(  516): Unable to start service Intent { action=com.androidnerds.tools.RemoteLogger.LogProcessorInterface }: not found
Jul 18 20:02:45 <michaelnovakjr> hm, looking into it now
Jul 18 20:04:46 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: i'm gonna remove auto-generated stuff from the RemoteLogger svn, is that cool?
Jul 18 20:04:50 <jasta> the bin and R.java stuff, i mean
Jul 18 20:04:56 <michaelnovakjr> sure
Jul 18 20:05:10 <michaelnovakjr> i modded that version, i have the original if you just want to do your debugging
Jul 18 20:05:16 <jasta> i also added maven build hooks
Jul 18 20:05:25 <jasta> nah, i just like svn projects being clean :)
Jul 18 20:06:01 <michaelnovakjr> i think i see the issue
Jul 18 20:09:01 <michaelnovakjr> commtting fix
Jul 18 20:10:42 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: i applied my Make-foo as well.
Jul 18 20:10:44 <jasta> svn update :)
Jul 18 20:11:25 <michaelnovakjr> ok
Jul 18 20:12:22 <jasta> init: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN
Jul 18 20:12:24 <jasta> hmm, interesting.
Jul 18 20:12:29 <jasta> i wonder hwo wrote that? :)
Jul 18 20:12:55 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 18 20:14:47 <michaelnovakjr> i've got output
Jul 18 20:15:03 <michaelnovakjr> i'll replace the apk on the download page with the updated one
Jul 18 20:15:26 <jasta> you need to send the freaking LF from the client to the server :)
Jul 18 20:15:37 <jasta> so nc will actually work hehe
Jul 18 20:15:56 <jasta> but yeah it does work, neat :)
Jul 18 20:16:09 <jasta> AttractiveApe: you there?
Jul 18 20:17:01 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: it does seem to block, though?
Jul 18 20:17:16 <jasta> i mean, it works, so whatever
Jul 18 20:17:18 <jasta> but the UI does block
Jul 18 20:17:26 <michaelnovakjr> it shouldn't
Jul 18 20:17:37 <jasta> i have had to force close it every time ive used it
Jul 18 20:17:52 <jasta> and the only way i can navigate away as a result is to press the home button
Jul 18 20:17:53 <jasta> not back
Jul 18 20:18:01 <jasta> since it doesnt respond well enough to invoke onStop()
Jul 18 20:18:19 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i have to fix that
Jul 18 20:18:34 <michaelnovakjr> you can get it running and navigate away though
Jul 18 20:18:35 <jasta> please do :P
Jul 18 20:18:49 <jasta> yeah i can do that.  but i dont think on a vogue that would work well
Jul 18 20:18:53 <michaelnovakjr> working now
Jul 18 20:18:58 <jasta> because there's no home button is there?
Jul 18 20:19:41 <michaelnovakjr> hm. i think the left directional pad goes home
Jul 18 20:19:51 <michaelnovakjr> i can't remember for certain though
Jul 18 20:20:13 <michaelnovakjr> ha, i fixed the LF issue
Jul 18 20:20:21 <michaelnovakjr> now i'll fix the hang
Jul 18 20:20:22 <jasta> it's obvious why it blocks :)
Jul 18 20:20:42 <jasta> your server has an idly loop as startTheCat, which the UI waits for it to respond.
Jul 18 20:20:45 <jasta> or rather, return.
Jul 18 20:20:47 <jasta> it never will.
Jul 18 20:20:51 <jasta> so the UI waits indefinitely
Jul 18 20:21:08 <jasta> err idle, not idly :)
Jul 18 20:21:21 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i am fixing that now
Jul 18 20:21:27 <jasta> startTheCat() should return quickly and just fire off a thread.
Jul 18 20:21:41 <jasta> oh ok, i'll leave you alone then :)
Jul 18 20:21:55 <jasta> we're starting to have a real repository here :)
Jul 18 20:23:02 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 18 20:24:30 <jasta> i added a maven pom.xml in the client btw
Jul 18 20:24:37 <michaelnovakjr> i noticed, cool
Jul 18 20:24:38 <jasta> i prefer using maven for building/packaging
Jul 18 20:25:05 <michaelnovakjr> it'll be nice to have the file browser on the list
Jul 18 20:25:30 <jasta> hehe, we're ridiculous.
Jul 18 20:26:05 <jasta> anyway, i gotta go do some forensics on this server hard drive that bit it.  bl.
Jul 18 20:26:08 <jasta> bbl*
Jul 18 20:26:42 <michaelnovakjr> later
Jul 18 20:47:04 <jasta> hehe, i occassionally try to trick our Sprint account reps with questions about android
Jul 18 20:47:17 <jasta> i'm hoping some low-level goon slips up one of these times ;)
Jul 18 20:48:08 <AttractiveApe> sorry back now
Jul 18 20:48:16 <AttractiveApe> went for lunch queitly.
Jul 18 20:49:55 <jasta> AttractiveApe: we're ready to try out the downloader and the logcat utility
Jul 18 20:50:01 <AttractiveApe> oh cool
Jul 18 20:50:05 <AttractiveApe> http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/httpdownloader-0.0.1-20080718.apk is the most recent?
Jul 18 20:50:14 <jasta> yeah, but you need to chmod the /data/app dir
Jul 18 20:50:20 <jasta> since it doesnt run as the system user
Jul 18 20:50:23 <jasta> just 0777 it
Jul 18 20:50:34 <AttractiveApe> Why not install in /system/app then?
Jul 18 20:50:38 <jasta> and then download the RemoteLogcat apk found there as well.
Jul 18 20:50:43 <jasta> apparently /system/app isnt as magical as i thought.
Jul 18 20:50:44 <jasta> it didnt work
Jul 18 20:50:48 <AttractiveApe> oh damn
Jul 18 20:50:59 <AttractiveApe> hmmm
Jul 18 20:51:00 <AttractiveApe> k
Jul 18 20:52:33 <jasta> for the remote logcat tool, configure it to connect to jasta.dyndns.org, on the default port, but let me know before you run it
Jul 18 20:53:05 <jasta> also, due to some current bugs, it will appear to hang.  just press the home button to back out
Jul 18 20:53:21 <AttractiveApe> 'home button'?
Jul 18 20:53:43 <michaelnovakjr> one sec
Jul 18 20:53:50 <michaelnovakjr> i can upload a way totally better version
Jul 18 20:53:57 <jasta> AttractiveApe: nm, wait for michaelnovakjr to fix it :)
Jul 18 20:53:59 <michaelnovakjr> with better LF's and a threaded log writer
Jul 18 20:54:05 <michaelnovakjr> its going up in 5 minutes
Jul 18 20:54:23 <AttractiveApe> k, lemme know.
Jul 18 20:56:55 <jasta> AttractiveApe: you should be able to use the downloader to get it...
Jul 18 20:57:12 <AttractiveApe> Oh, good idea.
Jul 18 20:57:13 <jasta> oh btw, the downloader remembers the last src and dst url (that was successful)
Jul 18 20:57:30 <jasta> so if you point it at android-random.googlecode.com bla bla, you wont have to retype all that later :)
Jul 18 20:57:46 <AttractiveApe> good, nice
Jul 18 20:59:02 <AttractiveApe> huh, I wonder if bluetooth is working...
Jul 18 20:59:16 <jasta> highly unliekly
Jul 18 20:59:49 <AttractiveApe> There's something mentioned in the kernel init messages.
Jul 18 21:00:34 <AttractiveApe> Hmmm, do you have to specify the app to install with this http downloader?
Jul 18 21:00:40 <AttractiveApe> Or will it fetch a listing?
Jul 18 21:02:27 <jasta> you type in a URL, and a destination.
Jul 18 21:02:32 <jasta> all it does is download files and place them on the device
Jul 18 21:02:35 <AttractiveApe> k
Jul 18 21:02:39 <jasta> installation of apps is simply done by placing an apk in /data/app
Jul 18 21:02:42 <jasta> inotify takes care of the rest
Jul 18 21:02:51 <jasta> well, and some credit to the android stack :)
Jul 18 21:02:55 <AttractiveApe> well, the app is running, and I've gotten a few 404's so it's working
Jul 18 21:03:11 <jasta> yeah, it attempts to report errors nicely
Jul 18 21:05:50 <michaelnovakjr> just one more second... testing one last piece
Jul 18 21:07:34 <AttractiveApe> np take your time
Jul 18 21:09:33 <jasta> no, hurry! :)
Jul 18 21:12:17 <michaelnovakjr> can i delete files from the downloads page?
Jul 18 21:12:23 <michaelnovakjr> on googlecode that is :)
Jul 18 21:14:49 <michaelnovakjr> new version uploaded
Jul 18 21:14:58 <michaelnovakjr> http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/RemoteLogger0.03.apk
Jul 18 21:15:28 <michaelnovakjr> that fixes the hanging issues and LF's in the remote output
Jul 18 21:16:12 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe, jasta **poke**
Jul 18 21:21:40 <jasta> yup?
Jul 18 21:21:52 <michaelnovakjr> ^^ link above ^^
Jul 18 21:21:59 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: yes, its a delete button in the download view
Jul 18 21:22:00 <michaelnovakjr> posted the two fixes
Jul 18 21:23:24 <michaelnovakjr> now the remote output looks identical to logcat
Jul 18 21:24:07 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, can i use the googlecode svn as a working repo for the file browser?
Jul 18 21:24:47 <jasta> by all means
Jul 18 21:27:14 <michaelnovakjr> sweet
Jul 18 21:28:17 <michaelnovakjr> you should be all set with that RemoteLogger
Jul 18 21:28:32 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: stop logigng doesnt work :)
Jul 18 21:28:47 <michaelnovakjr> yea, that is the one thing i have left to fix
Jul 18 21:28:53 <michaelnovakjr> on my list that is :)
Jul 18 21:28:59 <jasta> otherwise, perfect
Jul 18 21:29:00 <michaelnovakjr> but it doesn't mess up the UI thread
Jul 18 21:29:04 <jasta> AttractiveApe: i guess we're reayd to do this then
Jul 18 21:29:18 <michaelnovakjr> getting output on your server jasta?
Jul 18 21:29:45 <michaelnovakjr> it shouldn't be one big block anymore
Jul 18 21:30:33 <jasta> yp :)
Jul 18 21:30:34 <jasta> yup :)
Jul 18 21:30:42 <michaelnovakjr> sweet
Jul 18 21:30:49 <michaelnovakjr> i'm heading home... i'll be back late
Jul 18 21:30:50 <jasta> now i just need AttractiveApe to fire it up...
Jul 18 21:30:54 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 18 21:31:01 <michaelnovakjr> good luck
Jul 18 21:43:53 <jasta> AttractiveApe: *poke*
Jul 18 21:57:54 <jasta> heat: i just reworded the five description so hopefully it looks less illegal :)
Jul 18 22:02:57 <heat> heh
Jul 18 22:04:49 <jasta> heat: are you going to the Download Festival in Mountain View next week?
Jul 18 22:05:24 <jasta> tapes n tapes, mutemath, and airborne toxic events will be there
Jul 18 22:05:34 <jasta> although it's lame and outdoors, boo.
Jul 18 22:05:37 <jasta> i hate outdoor concerts
Jul 18 22:06:20 <heat> i was thinking about it, but probably not
Jul 18 22:08:09 <heat> gonna just hang out in the city
Jul 18 22:08:15 <heat> cheeel if you wil
Jul 18 22:10:53 <jasta> airborne toxic event is my new favorite little band hehe
Jul 18 22:11:20 <jasta> theyre playing at the capital hill block party the day after the download festival, which i am going to
Jul 18 22:11:24 <jasta> but thats because Seattle does concerts right :P
Jul 18 22:13:11 <jasta> theyre playing on an indoor stage
Jul 18 22:16:07 <AttractiveApe> hah sorry
Jul 18 22:16:09 <AttractiveApe> huge meeting
Jul 18 22:16:49 <jasta> let's get this moving! :)
Jul 18 22:16:55 <AttractiveApe> kk
Jul 18 22:20:36 <AttractiveApe> k
Jul 18 22:20:45 <AttractiveApe> downloaded the new apk, it's not showing up I think
Jul 18 22:20:50 <AttractiveApe> Or maybe it is, so I'll give this a go...
Jul 18 22:21:19 <AttractiveApe> hmm
Jul 18 22:21:21 <jasta> we need the logcatter most of all, but you should get the downloader working too
Jul 18 22:21:24 <jasta> just to simplify this
Jul 18 22:21:26 <AttractiveApe> jasta.dyndns.org right?
Jul 18 22:21:31 <jasta> yes.
Jul 18 22:22:01 <AttractiveApe> mm
Jul 18 22:22:07 <AttractiveApe> do you have a connection open now?
Jul 18 22:22:51 <AttractiveApe> michaelnovakjr__: there should be a single button, start logging, and then when you tap it, stop logging.
Jul 18 22:22:55 <jasta> on the logcatter, no?
Jul 18 22:23:10 <jasta> if you are using the old logcatter, it won't work
Jul 18 22:23:14 <jasta> make sure you have installed the 0.03 version
Jul 18 22:23:25 <jasta> http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/RemoteLogger0.03.apk
Jul 18 22:24:06 <AttractiveApe> bah
Jul 18 22:24:12 <jasta> ?
Jul 18 22:24:39 <AttractiveApe> few moments, need to add it to data.img manually
Jul 18 22:25:31 <AttractiveApe> hmmm, well, the downloader worked
Jul 18 22:25:34 <jasta> does the downloader not work?
Jul 18 22:25:38 <AttractiveApe> just didn't pop up with a new menu item.
Jul 18 22:25:49 <AttractiveApe> And running the one that was in the menu, I think was the old version.
Jul 18 22:25:52 <jasta> try rebooting.  it probably just doesn't work on the phone.
Jul 18 22:25:54 <jasta> inotify, that is.
Jul 18 22:26:01 <jasta> oh wait
Jul 18 22:26:12 <jasta> that's a "feature" in Android
Jul 18 22:26:25 <jasta> two apks with different names that implement the same manifest won't work
Jul 18 22:26:28 <jasta> the new one will be ignored
Jul 18 22:26:44 <jasta> so you need to make sure if you download RemoteLogger0.03.apk, that you download it to overwrite.
Jul 18 22:27:44 <jasta> a file manager would help here, of course.
Jul 18 22:27:47 <AttractiveApe> yeah
Jul 18 22:27:49 <AttractiveApe> that's the problem
Jul 18 22:27:55 <AttractiveApe> as the filenames were different.
Jul 18 22:28:37 <jasta> i'll make sure to keep the apks named consistently from now on
Jul 18 22:29:59 <AttractiveApe> k booting
Jul 18 22:34:10 <AttractiveApe> jasta, am I connected?
Jul 18 22:34:25 <AttractiveApe> I saw data transit when I connected.
Jul 18 22:34:49 <AttractiveApe> Yeah I think it's working
Jul 18 22:37:02 <AttractiveApe> Helloz!?!
Jul 18 22:37:20 <jasta> yeah, its working!
Jul 18 22:37:28 <jasta> but hang on, i'm not set-up yet
Jul 18 22:37:45 <AttractiveApe> well, I synced with five client, and five just crashed again.
Jul 18 22:37:46 <jasta> lets start this fresh...
Jul 18 22:37:51 <jasta> reboot the phone ;)
Jul 18 22:37:54 <AttractiveApe> blah
Jul 18 22:37:56 <AttractiveApe> fine
Jul 18 22:38:01 <jasta> i need to be paying attention as you start up five music
Jul 18 22:38:04 <jasta> and i wasnt :)
Jul 18 22:38:14 <AttractiveApe> michaelnovakjr__: you need to add to your app, that it saves the last url entered
Jul 18 22:38:27 <jasta> yeah i thought the same thing
Jul 18 22:38:36 <jasta> he has it in my svn repository, maybe i could just add it for you :)
Jul 18 22:39:07 <jasta> ok, let me know before you open up five music
Jul 18 22:39:16 <jasta> it's important that i mark it in the log so i can filter out all the noise.
Jul 18 22:39:23 <jasta> (it's very noisy!)
Jul 18 22:39:30 <AttractiveApe> kk
Jul 18 22:39:51 <AttractiveApe> k, booting via haret...
Jul 18 22:40:11 <AttractiveApe> yeah
Jul 18 22:40:20 <AttractiveApe> rugh rouh
Jul 18 22:40:26 <AttractiveApe> Card looks like it needs a sec.
Jul 18 22:40:29 <jasta> sorry ;)
Jul 18 22:40:31 <AttractiveApe> fsck, just a sec.
Jul 18 22:40:36 <jasta> what?
Jul 18 22:40:56 <AttractiveApe> sd card looks like it needs a fsck. minute
Jul 18 22:41:54 <jasta> thats weird, ok hehe
Jul 18 22:42:03 <AttractiveApe> wow, data.img is not happy.
Jul 18 22:42:09 <AttractiveApe> data.img: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
Jul 18 22:42:19 <AttractiveApe> Reaaaaaaaally need that clean reboot method ;p
Jul 18 22:42:59 <jasta> hehe, well, actually
Jul 18 22:43:00 <romainguy_> adb shell reboot? :)
Jul 18 22:43:01 <jasta> you know what we could do?
Jul 18 22:43:10 <jasta> romainguy_: it doesn't work, either in the emulator or on this real device.
Jul 18 22:43:11 <AttractiveApe> romainguy_: that'd be nice :(
Jul 18 22:43:22 <jasta> we could enable Magic Sysrq, and write an app to force umount, then reboot.
Jul 18 22:43:31 <jasta> even if reboot doesnt work, the sync and forced umount would be nice.
Jul 18 22:43:32 <romainguy_> jasta: it works just fine for us
Jul 18 22:43:43 <romainguy_> guess it was b0rked in M5
Jul 18 22:43:53 <AttractiveApe> :O I like that idea jasta
Jul 18 22:43:57 <jasta> sysrq really might be the best way to go.
Jul 18 22:44:10 <jasta> i'll look at that this weekend
Jul 18 22:44:24 <jasta> it may involve building martin's kernel, though :)
Jul 18 22:44:33 <jasta> hopefully his patch set is accurate
Jul 18 22:46:46 <jasta> hmm, what process logs as android.server.am.DeviceMonitor?
Jul 18 22:49:23 * jasta raises and eyebrow as he spies /system/bin/ioctl
Jul 18 22:49:43 <AttractiveApe> That was a lot of angry messages on boot that time.
Jul 18 22:49:52 <AttractiveApe> I might have to do something later.
Jul 18 22:50:04 <jasta> ?
Jul 18 22:51:35 <AttractiveApe> (problems with mounting)
Jul 18 22:51:50 <jasta> did it actually work?
Jul 18 22:52:03 <AttractiveApe> k, connected.
Jul 18 22:52:09 <AttractiveApe> lemme run the sync first
Jul 18 22:52:11 <jasta> nice, ok, hang on.
Jul 18 22:52:43 <jasta> thats SOOOOO rad ;)
Jul 18 22:52:54 <jasta> W/MemoryDealer(  439): madvise(0x44d93000, 1048576, MADV_REMOVE) returned Invalid argument
Jul 18 22:53:02 <jasta> this occurs a lot...
Jul 18 22:53:02 <jasta> interesting.
Jul 18 22:53:19 <jasta> ok...
Jul 18 22:53:24 <jasta> go back to the home screen and idle
Jul 18 22:54:11 <jasta> ok, there?
Jul 18 22:54:37 <AttractiveApe> yeah
Jul 18 22:54:39 <AttractiveApe> sec
Jul 18 22:54:46 <jasta> k
Jul 18 22:54:48 <AttractiveApe> idling with no windows open
Jul 18 22:54:56 <jasta> im ready for you to load five music
Jul 18 22:54:59 <AttractiveApe> kk
Jul 18 22:54:59 <jasta> but JUST load it.
Jul 18 22:55:03 <jasta> wait for it to idle, then let me know
Jul 18 22:55:19 <AttractiveApe> it's loaded...
Jul 18 22:55:21 <AttractiveApe> looks frozen.
Jul 18 22:55:30 <jasta> ok, idle
Jul 18 22:56:29 <jasta> whoa, interesting.
Jul 18 22:56:43 <jasta> this is much lower level than i thought
Jul 18 22:56:54 <jasta> so it hung at the ArtistList right?
Jul 18 22:56:59 <jasta> it basically drew the screen, then froze?
Jul 18 22:57:05 <AttractiveApe> didn't draw it
Jul 18 22:57:08 <AttractiveApe> this time was different
Jul 18 22:57:36 <jasta> really?
Jul 18 22:57:51 <jasta> actually the log supports that, but that surprises me it would behave differently.
Jul 18 22:58:17 <jasta> E/Process (  439): Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to instantiate activity ComponentInfo{org.devtcg.five.music/org.devtcg.five.music.activity.ArtistList}: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.devtcg.five.music.activity.ArtistList in loader android.lang.PathClassLoader@402c3198
Jul 18 22:58:41 <jasta> and quite a few other things before that, describing that the dex opt process croaked
Jul 18 22:58:53 <jasta> D/dalvikvm(  612): DexOpt: unable to opt direct call 0x06c5 at 0x124 in Lorg/devtcg/five/service/MetaService$SyncThread;.run
Jul 18 22:58:57 <jasta> D/dalvikvm(  612): DexOpt: not optimizing mystery class 'Lorg/devtcg/five/service/MusicMapping;'
Jul 18 22:59:10 <jasta> ok, go ahead and force it closed
Jul 18 22:59:50 <jasta> fire it up again, lets see that it behaves the same.
Jul 18 23:00:00 <jasta> (this remotelogcat tool is great btw!)
Jul 18 23:01:12 <jasta> AttractiveApe: ?
Jul 18 23:01:17 <jasta> i dont see anything on the server
Jul 18 23:03:32 <AttractiveApe> there
Jul 18 23:03:40 <AttractiveApe> it died again
Jul 18 23:03:41 <jasta> did it draw this time?
Jul 18 23:03:43 <AttractiveApe> no
Jul 18 23:03:47 <jasta> it seems pretty clear that the process is alive
Jul 18 23:03:49 <AttractiveApe> I need to turn it off, it needs juice
Jul 18 23:03:52 <jasta> but some child is dead, and it doesnt know how to behave.
Jul 18 23:03:56 <jasta> ok.
Jul 18 23:04:10 <jasta> this is all really interesting.
Jul 18 23:04:18 <AttractiveApe> Yeah, I think this dev tool is create.
Jul 18 23:04:25 <AttractiveApe> great*
Jul 18 23:05:02 <jasta> I/runtime (  439): Binder driver not found.  Processes not supported.
Jul 18 23:05:07 <jasta> what the hell? :)
Jul 18 23:05:13 <jasta> im reading the log from the beginning hehe
Jul 18 23:05:36 <jasta> that could be a problem :P
Jul 18 23:05:46 <jasta> actually, that might be THE problem.
Jul 18 23:05:53 <jasta> the binder is what my app relies heavily on
Jul 18 23:06:02 <jasta> we should do some testing with some of the apidemos using services
Jul 18 23:07:04 <jasta> hmmm
Jul 18 23:07:08 <jasta> i think your SD card might be fried or something
Jul 18 23:07:15 <jasta> D/dalvikvm(  438): DEX prep '/system/framework/framework.jar': unzip in 1135ms, rewrite 7335ms
Jul 18 23:07:18 <jasta> E/dalvikvm(  438): DexOpt: failed reading opt header: I/O error
Jul 18 23:07:19 <jasta> a lot of I/O errors in here
Jul 18 23:07:45 <jasta> W/        (  439): <eglQueryStringConfigANDROID> not found in libagl.so
Jul 18 23:07:45 <jasta> W/        (  439): can't access 3D hardware (No such file or directory)
Jul 18 23:07:51 <jasta> hehe, aww, that must be what romain was talking about
Jul 18 23:08:04 <AttractiveApe> I'll take a look at it.
Jul 18 23:08:06 <jasta> i'm gonna e-mail this to martin.  he might be interested in perusing this if he hasn't already.
Jul 18 23:09:14 <michaelnovakjr_> howdy
Jul 18 23:09:21 <jasta> michaelnovakjr_: success ;)
Jul 18 23:09:25 <jasta> your app worked great, thx a bunch
Jul 18 23:09:30 <jasta> its very slick too
Jul 18 23:09:35 <michaelnovakjr_> thanks
Jul 18 23:09:48 <michaelnovakjr_> find what was holding up five?
Jul 18 23:09:57 <jasta> no, but i think his SD card may be borked
Jul 18 23:10:07 <michaelnovakjr_> ah, i'll try it with mine tonight
Jul 18 23:10:09 <jasta> but i did find one thing that struck me as troubling
Jul 18 23:10:14 <jasta> one of the first log lines is:
Jul 18 23:10:27 <jasta> I/runtime (  439): Binder driver not found.  Processes not supported.
Jul 18 23:10:32 <jasta> whereas the emulator says:
Jul 18 23:10:35 <jasta> I/runtime (  503): Binder driver opened.  Multiprocess enabled.
Jul 18 23:11:00 <michaelnovakjr_> oo
Jul 18 23:11:11 <michaelnovakjr_> interesting
Jul 18 23:11:18 <michaelnovakjr_> how's my app work then?
Jul 18 23:11:22 <jasta> yeah, exactly
Jul 18 23:11:23 <michaelnovakjr_> i use binder
Jul 18 23:11:33 <jasta> fine, apparently.
Jul 18 23:11:36 <jasta> see, that's what makes no sense.
Jul 18 23:11:46 <jasta> i'd like to get some log output going for some of the apidemos using services
Jul 18 23:11:50 <jasta> just as a benchmark
Jul 18 23:12:26 <jasta> W/BatteryService(  439): Failed to read '/sys/android_power/battery_level'
Jul 18 23:12:44 <jasta> i wonder if the git repository is missing something, or if martin accidentally disabled some stuff?
Jul 18 23:12:50 <michaelnovakjr_> yea, on the phone the battery meter doesn't register
Jul 18 23:12:57 <michaelnovakjr_> possibly
Jul 18 23:13:13 <jasta> i am going to e-mail this log to martin to see what he thinks ;)
Jul 18 23:13:38 <michaelnovakjr_> good idea
Jul 18 23:14:08 <jasta> this error occurs a lot too:
Jul 18 23:14:10 <jasta> W/MemoryDealer(  439): madvise(0x4406b000, 1048576, MADV_REMOVE) returned Invalid argument
Jul 18 23:14:51 <jasta> there seems to be something goofy with threading
Jul 18 23:14:59 <jasta> any app taht explicitly threads throws this exception a lot:
Jul 18 23:15:02 <jasta> W/ActivityManager(  439): Exception trying to set priority of application thread -1
Jul 18 23:15:06 <jasta> W/ActivityManager(  439): java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Given thread does not exist
Jul 18 23:15:10 <jasta> including google's apps, in this case it was the phone app that did that
Jul 18 23:15:30 <michaelnovakjr_> weird
Jul 18 23:15:36 <jasta> E/ProcessState(  437): Binder driver protocol does not match user space protocol!
Jul 18 23:15:37 <michaelnovakjr_> is mine throwing that anywhere?
Jul 18 23:15:39 <jasta> E/ProcessState(  437): Binder ioctl to set max threads failed: Bad file number
Jul 18 23:15:48 <jasta> i havent gotten into the app space yet, still going through boot/loading
Jul 18 23:15:54 <michaelnovakjr_> seems like something with the Binder isn't loaded
Jul 18 23:16:00 <jasta> ohhhhh, you know what...
Jul 18 23:16:07 <michaelnovakjr_> maybe some dependent jar file
Jul 18 23:16:09 <jasta> he patches against a newer kernel.
Jul 18 23:16:24 <jasta> i wonder if the binder driver has changed since M5, so thats a part of this problem
Jul 18 23:16:42 <jasta> the userspace stuffs is incompatible somewhere
Jul 18 23:16:48 <jasta> thats something that we could look at easily
Jul 18 23:16:59 <jasta> just tracking git changes since m5 was released looking for binder driver changes
Jul 18 23:17:03 <jasta> and checking if martin compiled the changes in
Jul 18 23:17:19 <michaelnovakjr_> ah
Jul 18 23:17:36 <michaelnovakjr_> maybe we can compile the kernel image that came with the sdk?
Jul 18 23:17:54 <jasta> well, we'd need to port his changes back to it, which would be challenging.
Jul 18 23:18:53 <michaelnovakjr_> are they that dependent on the newer kernel?
Jul 18 23:19:30 <jasta> your remote logger throws the setthreadpriorirty exception
Jul 18 23:19:46 <jasta> michaelnovakjr_: well, his patches are against it, so he obviously used new code.
Jul 18 23:19:53 <jasta> for example, i dont think m5 had the SDHC driver working
Jul 18 23:20:23 <jasta> it would make more sense, i think, to just look selectively at certain kernel space components and see how theyve changed since m5
Jul 18 23:20:37 <jasta> to validate whether our idea is even right
Jul 18 23:21:06 <michaelnovakjr_> true
Jul 18 23:21:57 <jasta> ok, i pasted all the things that popped out at me
Jul 18 23:22:04 <michaelnovakjr_> sweet
Jul 18 23:22:07 <jasta> it definitely seems to me that there is something up with th ebinder.
Jul 18 23:22:20 <jasta> at least it's worth looking at, but i dont have time now
Jul 18 23:22:20 <michaelnovakjr_> i wonder if thats some of the new sdk changes
Jul 18 23:22:23 <jasta> this weekend for sure
Jul 18 23:22:28 <michaelnovakjr_> well obviously it must be ;)
Jul 18 23:22:32 <jasta> actually, i wonder if San would know
Jul 18 23:23:23 <jasta> anyway, i gotta run
Jul 18 23:23:30 <jasta> you gonna be around this weekend?
Jul 18 23:23:34 <michaelnovakjr_> definitely
Jul 18 23:23:38 <jasta> cool, me too
Jul 18 23:23:45 <jasta> bbl
Jul 18 23:23:54 <michaelnovakjr_> i'll be working on some projects... i have been meaning to play around with OpenGL
Jul 18 23:23:58 <michaelnovakjr_> later
Jul 18 23:24:01 <AttractiveApe> hmmm, Martin/dzo just got the sdhc support working I thought, I'll use the 1GB card in the future
Jul 18 23:24:03 <jasta> i'll e-mail the log when im home
Jul 18 23:24:05 <AttractiveApe> alright, I'm out for a bit.
Jul 18 23:24:06 <AttractiveApe> ttyl.
Jul 18 23:24:09 <michaelnovakjr_> cool
Jul 18 23:55:49 <zhobbs> does flash suck in linux for everyone else? brings my box to a halt randomly
Jul 18 23:55:59 <zhobbs> my browser at least
Jul 19 00:10:35 <yakischloba_> jasta: ATE is pretty good
Jul 19 00:31:33 <jasta> damn right
Jul 19 00:31:51 <jasta> zhobbs: it sucks just as much as it does in windows
Jul 19 00:45:25 <michaelnovakjr_> use epiphany with flash
Jul 19 00:45:32 <michaelnovakjr_> works better than firefox on linu
Jul 19 00:45:33 <michaelnovakjr_> x
Jul 19 00:50:24 <michaelnovakjr_> what res is good for app icons in android
Jul 19 00:51:09 <romainguy_> 48x48
Jul 19 00:51:12 <romainguy_> at least
Jul 19 00:51:23 <michaelnovakjr_> cool
Jul 19 00:51:32 <michaelnovakjr_> is that what size you use romainguy?
Jul 19 00:53:30 <romainguy_> michaelnovakjr_: it's the size I display apps icons at in the Home screen
Jul 19 00:53:39 <michaelnovakjr_> ok cool
Jul 19 01:13:19 <Dougie187> Good evening.
Jul 19 01:19:26 <michaelnovakjr_> howdy
Jul 19 01:19:38 <Dougie187> hows it going?
Jul 19 01:19:47 <michaelnovakjr_> good good, you?
Jul 19 01:19:53 <Dougie187> pretty good
Jul 19 01:19:55 <Dougie187> guess what i got
Jul 19 01:20:01 <michaelnovakjr_> thinkpad?
Jul 19 01:20:23 <Dougie187> yup
Jul 19 01:20:25 <Dougie187> it came today
Jul 19 01:20:29 <michaelnovakjr_> sweet
Jul 19 01:20:54 <Dougie187> its pretty sweet
Jul 19 01:20:57 <Dougie187> im on it right now
Jul 19 01:21:04 <michaelnovakjr_> linux?
Jul 19 01:21:12 <Dougie187> yup
Jul 19 01:21:14 <Dougie187> ubuntu
Jul 19 01:21:19 <michaelnovakjr_> nice
Jul 19 01:21:55 <Dougie187> i found out the keyboard is spill proof.
Jul 19 01:22:01 <Dougie187> you can dump water on it and it has drains
Jul 19 01:22:03 <Dougie187> two of them
Jul 19 01:22:03 <Dougie187> heh
Jul 19 01:22:19 <michaelnovakjr_> haha
Jul 19 01:26:02 <michaelnovakjr_> romainguy_ still around?
Jul 19 01:26:07 <romainguy_> yes
Jul 19 01:26:19 <michaelnovakjr_> i can have a grid view of views right?
Jul 19 01:26:25 <romainguy_> er yes
Jul 19 01:26:30 <michaelnovakjr_> :)
Jul 19 01:26:47 <michaelnovakjr_> i'm a little rusty with android, its been awhile since i have even looked at code
Jul 19 01:27:25 <Dougie187> heh
Jul 19 01:27:30 <Dougie187> what made you pick it back up?
Jul 19 01:27:39 <michaelnovakjr_> boredom
Jul 19 01:27:49 <michaelnovakjr_> and i'm playing around with the HTC Touch
Jul 19 01:27:56 <Dougie187> heh
Jul 19 01:27:56 <Dougie187> you should play diablo 2 with jasta and me
Jul 19 01:28:05 <michaelnovakjr_> computer?
Jul 19 01:28:12 <Dougie187> yeah
Jul 19 01:28:37 <michaelnovakjr_> i whipped up a quick remote logger so i can see the log output in realtime
Jul 19 01:28:45 <michaelnovakjr_> from the phone that is
Jul 19 01:46:07 <Dougie187> have you ordered a new laptop yet michaelnovakjr_?
Jul 19 01:47:13 <michaelnovakjr_> not yet
Jul 19 01:47:23 <michaelnovakjr_> still happy with the macbook pro
Jul 19 01:47:37 <michaelnovakjr_> i will before the end of the year
Jul 19 01:49:27 <Dougie187> thats cool
Jul 19 01:49:34 <Dougie187> this one is pretty awesome so far.
Jul 19 01:49:36 <Dougie187> im loving it
Jul 19 01:51:15 <michaelnovakjr_> sweet
Jul 19 01:51:20 <michaelnovakjr_> yea i like thinkpads
Jul 19 01:57:18 <Dougie187> the only thing that i would say i dont like about it is the trackpad is so close to the edge.
Jul 19 01:57:29 <Dougie187> but thats not a huge issue. especially since you have the trackpoint.
Jul 19 01:57:38 <michaelnovakjr_> yea, i like the trackpoint
Jul 19 01:57:45 <michaelnovakjr_> i loath trackpads
Jul 19 01:57:53 <Dougie187> i changed the tip of the trackpoint to the concave one too
Jul 19 01:57:56 <Dougie187> its awesome
Jul 19 01:58:03 <michaelnovakjr_> as a matter of fact i have a wireless mouse hooked up to my laptop right now ;)
Jul 19 01:58:03 <Dougie187> i have been using it a lot more then i thought i would
Jul 19 01:58:09 <Dougie187> heh
Jul 19 01:58:16 <Dougie187> i have one that i play games with
Jul 19 01:58:25 <Dougie187> but if im not playing games they i would rather not have one.
Jul 19 02:00:11 <michaelnovakjr_> i am using the bluetooth mightymouse
Jul 19 02:00:18 <michaelnovakjr_> works great with linux
Jul 19 02:10:54 <Dougie187> im trying to get a package called tpctl to work.
Jul 19 02:11:06 <Dougie187> but i dont know if im going to get it to work correctly. and i havent really tried yet.
Jul 19 02:11:15 <michaelnovakjr_> what is it exactly?
Jul 19 02:11:54 <Dougie187> its like a controller for some thinkpad specific things. like touch to click on the trackpoint
Jul 19 02:12:04 <Dougie187> and some other things.
Jul 19 02:12:20 <Dougie187> i found a package too that makes the led light blink when you get a message in thinkpad.
Jul 19 02:12:21 <Dougie187> heh
Jul 19 02:12:29 <michaelnovakjr_> sweet
Jul 19 02:13:26 <Dougie187> yeah
Jul 19 02:13:33 <Dougie187> i didnt install it yet but its in the repos
Jul 19 02:13:40 <Dougie187> im just trying to get everything else set up
Jul 19 02:14:12 <michaelnovakjr_> nice
Jul 19 02:14:18 <michaelnovakjr_> yea, its a process
Jul 19 02:14:30 <Dougie187> yeah
Jul 19 02:46:38 <jasta> michaelnovakjr_: hey, i'll help with the file manager if you want
Jul 19 02:46:40 <jasta> just give me something tod o :)
Jul 19 02:46:56 <michaelnovakjr_> :)
Jul 19 02:47:07 <jasta> is it called glance?
Jul 19 02:47:11 <michaelnovakjr_> yea
Jul 19 02:47:23 <michaelnovakjr_> i am figuring out the best way to arrange the layout
Jul 19 02:47:43 <michaelnovakjr_> i was thinking either a folder icon, app icon, or file icon depending on the type
Jul 19 02:47:49 <michaelnovakjr_> with the name underneath
Jul 19 02:47:57 <jasta> why not just do a list with icons on the left?
Jul 19 02:48:10 <jasta> that correspond to the type of file
Jul 19 02:48:10 <michaelnovakjr_> could do that too
Jul 19 02:48:19 <jasta> that would be the simplest interface
Jul 19 02:48:25 <michaelnovakjr_> i had envisioned a gridview
Jul 19 02:48:31 <michaelnovakjr_> but listview works
Jul 19 02:48:39 <michaelnovakjr_> and is a wee bit easier :)
Jul 19 02:49:18 <michaelnovakjr_> if you want... we can split the layout and file level work
Jul 19 02:49:21 <jasta> it'll need to have most of its interface in a long click though
Jul 19 02:49:32 <michaelnovakjr_> yea
Jul 19 02:49:33 <jasta> sure :)
Jul 19 02:49:35 <jasta> brb
Jul 19 02:49:40 <michaelnovakjr_> wanna do the UI?
Jul 19 02:49:42 <michaelnovakjr_> ok
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