**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 20 02:59:56 2008 Jul 20 08:08:29 i am yASYED Jul 20 08:08:40 err, yasted Jul 20 08:11:27 o/~ my office glows, all night long, its a nuclear show all night long, and the stars are gone, elevator, take me home o/~ Jul 20 08:11:54 extra credit for anyone who knoiws the awesome band htat sings this song Jul 20 08:16:50 hey jasta Jul 20 08:17:22 jasta, it can only be black bear minus one or whatever Jul 20 08:17:26 hey muthu how was lunch Jul 20 08:18:00 uhh Jul 20 08:18:17 its stars, you fool! Jul 20 08:18:25 haha Jul 20 08:18:26 elevator love song is the name of the track Jul 20 08:18:38 dude i8m so wasted Jul 20 08:18:50 f00f-: great lunch, yummy Jul 20 08:18:54 what have you had Jul 20 08:18:54 like 5 beers, 4 car bombs, and 3 beram and cokes Jul 20 08:18:56 and im doine :) Jul 20 08:19:00 nice Jul 20 08:19:16 oh jasta, that's too much Jul 20 08:19:23 hehe not for me Jul 20 08:19:32 are you home? Jul 20 08:19:39 i meant beam and coke, btw. jim beam whiskey. Jul 20 08:19:45 yes. have a pizza on order. Jul 20 08:19:49 because seattle is that awesome. Jul 20 08:20:01 for sure, i'm very curious about seattle Jul 20 08:20:22 i don't think i can code after 5 beers Jul 20 08:20:33 seattle is great. washington is one of the best destinations in the us. Jul 20 08:21:07 btw, look up the lyrics to that song i mentioned :) Jul 20 08:21:19 if you're smart you'll figure out why i love it so much Jul 20 08:21:20 ;) Jul 20 08:21:37 we are not smart, tell us why you love it ;) Jul 20 08:21:45 tehre was this girl once... Jul 20 08:21:46 beth. Jul 20 08:21:49 that's all i'll say :) Jul 20 08:22:01 what happened to beth? Jul 20 08:22:09 that's all i'll say :) Jul 20 08:22:11 you're so HARD for a rich girl?! Jul 20 08:22:31 had the pizza come? Jul 20 08:22:35 what kind? Jul 20 08:22:47 f00f-: i was once :) Jul 20 08:22:59 she was....hmmmm. Jul 20 08:23:04 she was someting Jul 20 08:23:13 hahahah nice Jul 20 08:23:15 hmm love makes you say that Jul 20 08:23:27 no, car bombs make me say that ;) Jul 20 08:23:32 lol, true Jul 20 08:23:46 she was something though Jul 20 08:23:57 the irony is that her friend, elyse, i ended up with Jul 20 08:24:02 but i never saw that coming Jul 20 08:24:07 boy, how life can surprise you :) Jul 20 08:24:35 hey, you guys want a special drunk jasta treat? Jul 20 08:24:59 yeah sure Jul 20 08:25:09 ssssshhhh its a real secret Jul 20 08:25:23 drunk jasta, is a lot more fun :) Jul 20 08:26:12 boo she has her profile private Jul 20 08:26:49 ha, smart Jul 20 08:27:20 ggod i miss her Jul 20 08:27:29 maybe if i can find the pics later Jul 20 08:29:25 she wants to have a relationship with me Jul 20 08:29:36 she keeps calling, wanting to hang out Jul 20 08:29:38 sigh Jul 20 08:29:48 she's so beautiful, ugh. Jul 20 08:29:58 your girlfriend might not like that Jul 20 08:30:33 i doubt it. Jul 20 08:30:46 thats why i have never indulged and seen her Jul 20 08:30:54 except for...well, nevermin d :) Jul 20 08:31:00 haha Jul 20 08:31:38 sometimes i conufse myself with the delusion that it must work, because it has to Jul 20 08:31:42 if you knoiw what that means Jul 20 08:32:49 no don't do it Jul 20 08:33:02 i'm sobering up enough to know i should shut myself Jul 20 08:33:12 so, how's android eh? :) Jul 20 08:33:17 ha! Jul 20 08:33:27 android is busy Jul 20 08:34:04 my ex is... Jul 20 08:34:11 the most beautiful girl i've ever know Jul 20 08:34:12 n Jul 20 08:36:11 http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j233/palomabritt/Birthday003-1-1.jpg -- i found one imag e;) Jul 20 08:36:16 she's on the left Jul 20 08:36:29 not even a great picture of her, but its the best i could do :) Jul 20 08:36:52 hey nice Jul 20 08:37:18 is that your current girlfriend? Jul 20 08:37:28 i wish :) Jul 20 08:37:34 she's my first love Jul 20 08:40:40 hey jasta, you've put me in trouble now Jul 20 08:40:46 ? Jul 20 08:40:55 my wife is here.. and she thinks this is what we are talking about in this channel ;) Jul 20 08:41:09 she;d thiunk what?> Jul 20 08:41:19 i'm finding it a hard time to convince her.. that this a developer forum Jul 20 08:41:30 * jasta restarts stars - elevator long song Jul 20 08:41:33 mmm, great song Jul 20 08:41:36 makes me think fo her ;) Jul 20 08:41:45 lol Jul 20 08:42:05 it's the line, "i don't know how to love", that really hooks me. Jul 20 08:42:28 because i didnt, back then. Jul 20 08:42:59 i need to think of a way to destroy these logs :) Jul 20 08:43:06 haha Jul 20 08:43:08 my gf would be devaasted Jul 20 08:43:15 yup Jul 20 08:43:27 you should be thinking about your gf Jul 20 08:43:39 she's behind me. Jul 20 08:43:42 passed out in bed. Jul 20 08:43:48 she can't drink like i can Jul 20 08:43:57 but she tries anyway :) Jul 20 08:44:02 haha Jul 20 08:44:18 so Jul 20 08:44:28 you want in on a real secret secret? Jul 20 08:44:35 yeah why not Jul 20 08:44:44 last year, my ex wanted to see me Jul 20 08:44:50 i agreed Jul 20 08:44:55 hmm Jul 20 08:44:59 i met her at a bar by myself Jul 20 08:45:04 that's all i'll say :) Jul 20 08:45:04 oh oh Jul 20 08:45:14 she is still in love Jul 20 08:45:41 despite that she dumped me. hwoever odd that seems for her ot be the one with feelings for me. Jul 20 08:46:07 i think you should be with someone who loves you Jul 20 08:46:15 guess that's your current gf Jul 20 08:46:22 me too, but this game is still fun Jul 20 08:47:19 it is Jul 20 08:47:22 but not worth it Jul 20 08:47:36 no, and i think i'd see taht any day sober. Jul 20 08:48:12 but now i'm screaming to msg her "i want to see you" Jul 20 08:48:28 you are drunk, man! Jul 20 08:48:44 i'm sobering enough. Jul 20 08:49:00 i still miss her, all the same. Jul 20 08:49:25 i knew she'd wonder about me, even back when we parted. i knew. Jul 20 08:49:49 her mom did the same about her ex, and she's not so different. Jul 20 08:50:30 she fell for the small town scene, but she never meant to. hehe, i'm sobering up a lot. Jul 20 08:50:31 don't think so Jul 20 08:50:46 women move on.. pretty fast Jul 20 08:50:54 not always Jul 20 08:51:05 as i said, i met with her last year Jul 20 08:51:14 she said a lot of things over a few pints Jul 20 08:51:23 maybe some of it she didn't mean, but she said it. Jul 20 08:51:53 yeah, in a bar.. Jul 20 08:51:58 she messages me all the same, pretty steadily about once every 6 months. Jul 20 08:52:17 let me quote you her most recent message, for my bday Jul 20 08:53:01 I think I missed your birthday :( But Happy Late Birthday! Jul 20 08:53:02 You're the shit :) Jul 20 08:53:05 that's what she said! Jul 20 08:55:10 jasta: i'm sure dan will be changing the topic tomorrow.. hehe Jul 20 08:58:52 don't! Jul 20 08:58:53 please! Jul 20 08:59:20 don't worry, i don't think he will Jul 20 08:59:28 well if he does, fuck him Jul 20 08:59:32 lol Jul 20 08:59:49 if he does, we would have a lot of confessions from droids!! Jul 20 09:00:23 hehe i drunk texted some dude i used to work on gift with Jul 20 09:00:28 who lives in seattle now Jul 20 09:00:31 oh oh Jul 20 09:00:38 apparently next weekend im getting wasted with him now ;) Jul 20 09:01:01 he's so crazy though. crazier than me :) Jul 20 09:01:04 this is gonna be nuts Jul 20 09:01:17 jasta: you know when the public sdk is? Jul 20 09:01:24 i dont care Jul 20 09:01:25 fuck android Jul 20 09:01:28 lol Jul 20 09:01:33 ha! Jul 20 09:01:41 now i can get jasta speak the truth Jul 20 09:01:53 let the questions begin :)) Jul 20 09:04:24 fire away :) Jul 20 09:04:39 nah Jul 20 09:04:50 mmm, pizza got here Jul 20 09:04:54 what kind? Jul 20 09:05:02 im sobering up fast now with food Jul 20 09:05:11 good Jul 20 09:05:12 pepporini and cheese for my vegetiarian girl Jul 20 09:05:45 ha, veggie pepporini Jul 20 09:05:49 yummy! Jul 20 09:05:59 1/2 and 1/2, obviously Jul 20 09:06:21 i'm not vegetarian :) Jul 20 09:06:41 its surprising, a lot of americans have turned vegetarian Jul 20 09:07:10 its not that surprisign, america is like a giant pendilum Jul 20 09:07:33 we repeatedly swing from one extreme to the next Jul 20 09:07:59 now i guess is the veggie craze Jul 20 09:10:25 yawn Jul 20 09:10:26 so sleepy Jul 20 09:10:34 good night Jul 20 09:10:55 hopefully i havent embarrassed myself too much Jul 20 09:11:08 no one knows Jul 20 09:11:09 damaging my professional relationships hehe Jul 20 09:11:12 hehe Jul 20 09:12:11 btw Jul 20 09:12:13 this song... Jul 20 09:12:20 really reminds me of a different girl Jul 20 09:12:23 the rich girl, was not my ex :) Jul 20 09:12:26 and isnt my current g Jul 20 09:12:27 f Jul 20 09:12:42 her name was beth, and what a crazy time in my lifoe :) Jul 20 09:15:53 jasta: what's the best layout for landscape mode? Jul 20 09:16:05 thats sort of silly question Jul 20 09:16:15 you know me ;) Jul 20 09:16:17 there's not "best" layout, what are you trying to accomplish? Jul 20 09:16:38 just wanted to find out if you have a preference Jul 20 09:17:03 guess you haven't dabbled with landscape yet Jul 20 09:17:12 i generally prefer basing my layouts off lineralayout Jul 20 09:17:53 but when appopriate, i of course use relativelayout or framelayout. Jul 20 09:18:55 right Jul 20 09:19:02 linear and relative mostly does it Jul 20 09:19:41 framelayout is worth looking at. undrstanding it is important. Jul 20 09:20:01 as long as you don't nest too many layouts... Jul 20 09:20:27 anyway, im off to bed Jul 20 09:20:29 the best thing you can do for your app's UI performance is to limit the number of views Jul 20 09:20:29 laster folks Jul 20 09:20:57 romainguy__: how many you suggest? Jul 20 09:21:18 it depends on what you do Jul 20 09:21:30 and it depends on how many levels you have in the tree Jul 20 09:21:32 i mean from a performance perspective Jul 20 09:21:41 but if you have more than 40 views, you should think about optimizing Jul 20 09:21:42 i generally have 1 level..max 2 Jul 20 09:21:49 cool Jul 20 09:21:57 well, we gave you a tool to verify that in the SDK you received :) Jul 20 09:22:06 guess so Jul 20 09:22:13 need to catch up with the forums ;) Jul 20 15:57:23 http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_s_Android_Losing_It_s_Mojo_Fast Jul 20 16:07:31 TSchultz55: once it comes out.... people will be singing a different tune Jul 20 16:09:05 yeah probably Jul 20 16:09:10 when will that be Jul 20 16:09:11 no idea Jul 20 16:12:53 do you have a vogue? Jul 20 16:13:17 vogue? Jul 20 16:13:49 htc touch? Jul 20 16:25:03 nah I dont have anything right now Jul 20 16:25:07 just the emulator Jul 20 16:25:15 but got some biggest issues right now Jul 20 16:25:35 Feisty -> Hardy upgrade on my huge some SVN server crapped out, and I'l left with a brick right now Jul 20 16:25:41 home* Jul 20 16:38:58 your svn server crashed? Jul 20 16:39:17 i was upgrading the distro Jul 20 16:39:22 the entries system is hosed Jul 20 16:39:27 have to reformat Jul 20 16:39:51 damn Jul 20 16:40:00 but that's not your svn server is it? Jul 20 16:40:07 but luckily I DID backup! Jul 20 16:40:09 yeah it is Jul 20 16:40:19 I have it backed up on an external HD Jul 20 16:40:30 just a pain in the ass to set everything up again Jul 20 16:40:33 i've got a massive svn/git server Jul 20 16:40:47 home? Jul 20 16:40:48 and its redundant! Jul 20 16:41:00 yes, i maintain it in my home server room Jul 20 16:41:07 svn.androidnerds.com Jul 20 16:41:23 ah this isnt quite as fancy of a setup Jul 20 16:41:44 you are more than welcome to host your project on the svn or git server if you'd like Jul 20 16:41:52 morning Jul 20 16:42:00 i'm giving anyone working on android projects free space Jul 20 16:42:06 ok awesome Jul 20 16:42:06 moring SanMehat Jul 20 16:42:08 appreciate it Jul 20 16:42:18 I have a few I could put up there Jul 20 16:42:23 sure Jul 20 16:42:30 hows it going michael? Jul 20 16:42:32 the majority tho is code for semantic web stuff and grad school project Jul 20 16:42:44 not too bad, i'm hacking away Jul 20 16:42:51 im not really a mobile developer by trade Jul 20 16:43:13 TSchultz55: sure, no problem.... its a redundant system so if the main system takes a hit there's no downtim Jul 20 16:43:13 e Jul 20 16:43:29 hah well exact quite a bit of downtime on mine ;) Jul 20 16:43:32 repos get a snapshot taken after every commit Jul 20 16:44:31 thats cool Jul 20 16:44:46 yeah I use TimeVault to take snapshots ever 30 min Jul 20 16:44:51 you can email me info at mike@novaklabs.com Jul 20 16:45:00 but it just goes to an external HD Jul 20 16:45:10 such as project names and a user/pass to setup with your projects Jul 20 16:45:11 novaklabs? Jul 20 16:45:15 :) Jul 20 16:45:17 thats a sweet sounding domain Jul 20 16:45:17 lol Jul 20 16:45:18 awesome will do! thanks! Jul 20 16:45:26 its my nerd domain name :) Jul 20 16:45:31 my domain is RAMandWhiskey.com Jul 20 16:45:32 its pretty cool Jul 20 16:45:33 i love it Jul 20 16:46:01 just need time to use it for stuff Jul 20 16:46:11 indeed Jul 20 16:46:13 heh Jul 20 16:46:31 it came from a convo at work about what we need to get this product working Jul 20 16:46:40 i said "We need more RAM...and we need more whiskey." Jul 20 16:46:59 computer protection against alcohol? Jul 20 16:46:59 which pretty much embodies IT as a whole Jul 20 16:47:22 nah we joke that we need to get drunk on whiskey to tolerate systems that are awful to use/support Jul 20 16:48:41 haha Jul 20 16:48:59 do you like Whiskey Sours? Jul 20 16:49:21 they're ok Jul 20 16:49:26 i like whiskey whiskey Jul 20 16:49:32 lol Jul 20 16:49:38 im a fan of the sours Jul 20 16:49:54 single malt scotch whiskey, no ice, cut just a bit with water Jul 20 16:50:07 glenfiddich Jul 20 16:50:11 why add water? Jul 20 16:50:24 i dunno thats just how I learned to drink it Jul 20 16:50:32 from some european friends Jul 20 16:50:44 i heard someone else drink scotch with water in it and i thought it was the weirdest thing. Jul 20 16:51:18 yeah thats apparently how it does down Jul 20 16:51:35 yeah Jul 20 16:55:58 yea, TSchultz55 i have the svn/git servers hooked up with trac too Jul 20 16:56:16 and zimbra for mail Jul 20 16:58:29 ah very nice Jul 20 16:58:35 trac is great Jul 20 17:00:14 yea, i love trac Jul 20 17:03:53 man its freakin steaming out here Jul 20 17:04:19 do you guys know how to set the ports for imap and smtp in evolution? Jul 20 17:05:33 evolution?? Jul 20 17:06:01 yeah Jul 20 17:06:07 its gnome's default email client Jul 20 17:06:13 i know Jul 20 17:06:20 that was more of a why? Jul 20 17:06:22 :) Jul 20 17:06:22 lol Jul 20 17:06:27 just because its there? Jul 20 17:06:33 thunderbird! Jul 20 17:06:38 its an easy setup Jul 20 17:06:38 and i think it should interface well with the exchange server at work/. Jul 20 17:06:49 ah Jul 20 17:06:55 yeah but i didnt think thunderbird interfaced well with exchange. Jul 20 17:10:01 that could be true Jul 20 17:10:13 i have never had to use exchange server Jul 20 17:10:18 thankfully Jul 20 17:10:34 lol Jul 20 17:10:37 zimbra is 100 times better Jul 20 17:10:45 yeah well i dont get a say in the matter Jul 20 17:10:54 so im pretty stuck with exchange. Jul 20 17:10:56 true Jul 20 17:11:10 i'm hoping to write a real open source implementation of push services for zimbra Jul 20 17:11:20 cool Jul 20 17:11:24 you have to get enterprise zimbra to get push support from them Jul 20 17:11:25 well i have to go bathe my dog. Jul 20 17:11:29 and its too much money Jul 20 17:11:33 so i will be back in a little bit. Jul 20 17:11:34 yeah i saw that Jul 20 17:11:36 enjoy Jul 20 17:11:40 i will Jul 20 17:15:00 Couls someone tell me which import I should use to get a HTTP Client ? (org.apache.commons.httpclient.HttpClient or org.apache.http.client.HttpClient) I'm totally confused which imports are the right one. :) Jul 20 17:16:09 what r u trying to do exactly with it? Jul 20 17:16:53 Just some basic REST like connection to webservices like flickr or tumblr Jul 20 17:17:29 http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=java&seqNum=43 Jul 20 17:17:59 Yeah I know that I know how it should work Jul 20 17:18:36 with a normal Java app it works but with android I get errors. And it has to do something with the imports. :/ Jul 20 17:18:44 whats the error Jul 20 17:21:33 For example setting the Credentials for a basic http auth gets me the follwing error. (The method setCredentials(AuthScope, Credentials) in the type HttpState is Jul 20 17:21:33 not applicable for the arguments (AuthScope, Credentials)) Jul 20 17:21:57 But it is definetly applicable of taking this arguments Jul 20 17:27:04 hmmmm Jul 20 17:27:06 thats odd Jul 20 17:27:12 whats the exact line of code Jul 20 17:38:09 Coming back in 20 minutes have to get something to eat now :) Jul 20 17:38:46 I will paste my code lines later on. It coasts me now 2 hours just setting up that basic http auth :( Jul 20 19:06:36 So I'm back Jul 20 19:07:03 Is there really no possibility to create "Credentials" ? (without using the deprecated Credentials class) Jul 20 19:11:00 yawn Jul 20 19:11:42 dangit, i was typing last night after i ate pizza now my kb is greasy Jul 20 19:16:50 I'm a noob with java but why can't I do an http auth :( . Could someone tell me why http://rafb.net/p/HcSrso13.html this doesnt work? I know that the Credentials class is deprecated but I have no idea how to achieve that in a different way. Pleas help me out. Jul 20 19:53:19 anno^da: use HttpCLient Jul 20 19:53:49 http://hc.apache.org/httpclient-3.x/authentication.html Jul 20 19:54:38 I'm using it ... or not ? Jul 20 19:54:47 http://rafb.net/p/ii4mMi16.html Jul 20 19:54:51 i dontk ow, i couldnt look at your paste link, i was just being general Jul 20 19:54:52 hi all Jul 20 19:56:23 how to read a attribute in "xml-constructor" of a View...? Jul 20 19:56:29 i was trying: Jul 20 19:56:40 android.content.Resources.StyledAttributes a = context.obtainStyledAttributes(attrs, android.R.styleable.LinearLayout_Layout); Jul 20 19:56:51 Log.d(Constants.DEBUGTAG, "Orientation: " + a.getText(android.R.styleable.LinearLayout_orientation).toString()); Jul 20 19:57:17 and it logs like : "Orientation: 32px"... o_O Jul 20 19:58:01 the orientation is not stored as text Jul 20 19:58:03 it's an int Jul 20 19:58:15 ah ok... thx Jul 20 19:58:22 jasta: I have used the HttpClient and cant get it working like in other java apps. Jul 20 19:59:12 romainguy: where are those constants saved? Jul 20 19:59:23 in LinearLayout Jul 20 19:59:28 with LinearLayout Jul 20 19:59:30 k thx Jul 20 19:59:37 but why are you reading LinearLayout's attributes? Jul 20 20:01:26 subclassing it Jul 20 20:01:38 you don't need to do that if you subclass it Jul 20 20:11:34 will we be able to switch the screenorientation with code? Jul 20 20:12:27 yes Jul 20 20:12:34 so we have to design xml-layouts only either landscape or ... Jul 20 20:12:41 is it already possible? Jul 20 20:12:47 I think it is in M5 Jul 20 20:12:51 even though I don't know how Jul 20 20:12:56 ^^ Jul 20 20:13:01 i'll have a look Jul 20 20:13:10 but your app should not to that kind of stuff if possible Jul 20 20:13:20 just let the system tell you what orientation you need to display Jul 20 20:13:35 it makes sense for a video player to programmatically choose the orientation for instance Jul 20 20:16:02 in a game, where the playfield should be nearly squard and I need to display some other horizontal stuff, Portrait is a lot better than Landscape. Jul 20 20:16:38 just make sure that it won't interfere with input methods then Jul 20 20:17:27 think of cell phones with sliding keyboards for instance Jul 20 20:19:21 hm... it only needs touch or dpad.. Jul 20 20:19:28 then you're good :) Jul 20 20:19:34 ;) Jul 20 20:19:52 unless a manufacturer creates a weird phone with the dpad under the screen, but that'd be their problem ^^ Jul 20 20:20:39 definitely :-D Jul 20 20:24:05 android.view.IWindowManager windowService = android.view.IWindowManager.Stub.asInterface(android.os.ServiceManager.getService("window")); Jul 20 20:24:06 windowService.setOrientation(1); Jul 20 20:24:11 thats how it is done. Jul 20 20:24:30 except that there is surely a constant for 1 Jul 20 20:24:35 it remains even after closing the app ^^ Jul 20 20:24:40 yes somewhere Jul 20 20:29:17 public int getOrientation() Jul 20 20:29:19 Returns * orientation of this display. Jul 20 20:29:21