**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 02:59:57 2008 Jul 27 04:37:59 howdy Jul 27 04:38:39 michaelnovakjr_, hi :s Jul 27 04:38:50 how's it going? Jul 27 04:38:58 fine other than I'm dead bored Jul 27 04:39:10 not writing any applications :) Jul 27 04:39:19 no Jul 27 04:39:28 It sucks Jul 27 04:39:29 how come? Jul 27 04:39:32 no ideas Jul 27 04:40:04 I really got into programming lately, 80%+ of my freetime [I have a lot of freetime] and now just surfing the net is boring... Jul 27 04:40:32 my file manager is coming along Jul 27 04:40:35 I can play my violent video games on the ps3 for about 30 minutes a day [loads of fun for those 30 minutes] Jul 27 04:40:42 awesomepants! Jul 27 04:40:46 i added the ability to install apks Jul 27 04:41:09 I can't seem to come up with project ideas that are manageable for me and take a bit of time to do. Jul 27 04:41:58 you should start with something that you would find useful for yourself Jul 27 04:42:17 Nothing. Jul 27 04:42:25 that's how i started writing software, i was writing solutions for my own problems, but making them freely available to everyone else Jul 27 04:42:35 there's always something Jul 27 04:42:37 I don't have any problems really Jul 27 04:42:53 i can rattle off hundreds of things wrong with my PC, Phone and/or xbox/ps3 Jul 27 04:43:07 Hm Jul 27 04:43:10 please do :) Jul 27 04:43:25 * sayers grabs a paper Jul 27 04:43:59 open source free flac player for my windows mobile device would be nice Jul 27 04:44:13 i've been meaning to sit down and write one but its been a bit busy here Jul 27 04:44:28 Well why would I write for a phone I don't use ;p Jul 27 04:44:39 I mean, android because it is cool but besides that :) Jul 27 04:44:42 what phone do you use? Jul 27 04:44:52 an evil verizon locked down like a nun phone Jul 27 04:45:24 i never liked verizon, i use sprint Jul 27 04:45:44 Not by choice, inheritance and no @overwrite irl.. Jul 27 04:46:03 I'd like to write a fitness application however I'd have to learn sql-lite which scares me Jul 27 04:46:26 sqlite is great Jul 27 04:46:30 yeah Jul 27 04:46:38 I could integrate it with a lot of things Jul 27 04:46:40 very easy to use Jul 27 04:46:43 it'd be worth learning. Jul 27 04:47:03 It'd make my game I'm going to write have another neat feature Jul 27 04:48:04 have you ever written for sql? Jul 27 04:48:25 One very small database in pure sql code Jul 27 04:48:28 it was easy Jul 27 04:49:01 sqlite is not hard..... you should write a simple application using that as a proof of concept.... that'll give you something to do Jul 27 04:49:57 yeah Jul 27 04:50:04 File IO is a huge block in my code Jul 27 04:50:16 I have to design my project ideas around it, perhaps its time.. Jul 27 09:16:31 Whats up everyone? Jul 27 09:17:38 jasonchen, romainguy, around? Jul 27 09:18:07 yes Jul 27 09:19:41 tri? Jul 27 09:19:45 trigatch4: ? Jul 27 09:19:52 hey there... Jul 27 09:20:03 is there any official word on the ADC and what is going on? Jul 27 09:20:23 what do you mean? Jul 27 09:20:29 WAS set for July 21st... seeing things pop up about an August 5th deadline now.. Jul 27 09:20:38 that's correct Jul 27 09:20:50 wondering what the official timeline is looking like now... as far as ANNOUNCING winners Jul 27 09:21:03 I don't think we ever announced an official date Jul 27 09:21:15 I guess you can expect a public announcement some time in August Jul 27 09:21:37 So its August 5th deadline for developers and then announcement of winners just "to follow" Jul 27 09:21:43 that's correct Jul 27 09:21:52 excellent, thanks for clarifying that Jul 27 09:22:19 i think thats all, unless you have some juicy, previously unknown tidbits you want to share with me ;) Jul 27 09:22:42 I know a lot of juicy unknown tidbits but I won't share :p Jul 27 09:24:58 hahahahhaha fair enough Jul 27 09:25:02 thanks for your help, sir Jul 27 09:25:25 anytime :) Jul 27 09:30:16 romainguy, how's it going? Jul 27 09:30:31 good Jul 27 09:30:31 tired Jul 27 10:12:54 romainguy, can you tell us anything about future android RPC? Jul 27 10:12:58 Im thinking about switching some of my code from protocol buffers to thrift because it has an RPC implementation that looks like its going to be supported Jul 27 10:13:43 I don't know anything about RPC support in Android Jul 27 10:13:52 but I don't think there's anything planned for 1.0 that's not already in M5 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 11:02:27 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 11:02:54 2008 Jul 27 16:24:25 SQLite are dealt with in normal files? Jul 27 18:10:36 michaelnovakjr_, I done learnt sqlite basics ;D Jul 27 18:39:41 good afternoon everyone. Jul 27 21:00:25 Never gonna give you up Jul 27 21:16:34 good afternoon Jul 27 23:23:45 anyone alive Jul 27 23:43:21 yes I have seen and used a rotary phone... Jul 27 23:43:42 f00f-: i am alive Jul 27 23:44:26 ok just checking, thx Jul 27 23:44:39 f00f-: heh Jul 28 00:21:47 yawn, back from family reunion crap Jul 28 02:16:53 ugh, why is HttpClient 4 so damn broken in M5? Jul 28 02:17:53 how new is M5 jasta ? Jul 28 02:18:00 very old Jul 28 02:18:08 5 months or so Jul 28 02:18:15 m5 uses a old version, right? Jul 28 02:18:58 yes, but even in beta 4 i see the same code that is causing the problem. Jul 28 02:19:10 SSLSocketFactory is initialized even if you don't use it, and it is slower than hell to initialize on Android. Jul 28 02:19:29 * jasta figures out a work around Jul 28 02:20:42 probably a static initializer block Jul 28 02:20:55 yeah, but why is it so unbelievably slow on android? Jul 28 02:21:03 (that is what it is, btw, i looked) Jul 28 02:21:03 depends on what it does Jul 28 02:21:16 it seems to be computing an SHA1 digest of something. not sure what. Jul 28 02:21:16 if it generates huge tables, or read large files, or whatnot Jul 28 02:21:54 was it just bundled blindly or did someone actually test it and think this wasn't an issue? Jul 28 02:22:01 or didn't care about this issue? :) Jul 28 02:23:14 I won't even answer that question Jul 28 02:23:27 haha,, they do care for sure Jul 28 02:23:29 why? Jul 28 02:24:03 it hangs for seriously like 60 seconds in this loop every time you initialize it. Jul 28 02:24:57 looking at the source and examples from beta 4, it doesn't look like you can easily work around this either. Jul 28 02:25:07 :( Jul 28 02:25:39 romainguy: i don't understand why you consider that question so blasphemous. Jul 28 02:29:35 muthu: are you sure? maybe they just assumed they would fix it in a ltter version and that httpcore was not recommended for usage? Jul 28 02:29:46 i'm still confused why they would have both httpclient 3.x and httpcore included Jul 28 02:29:51 especially beta 1. Jul 28 02:30:35 jasta: how's five coming along? Jul 28 02:31:06 i haven't been working on it, why? Jul 28 02:32:21 there were people looking for opensource projects to join Jul 28 02:32:37 five might be a good project Jul 28 02:32:38 that's a weird request Jul 28 02:33:20 what's the plan for adc 2? Jul 28 02:33:43 The doc says that preferences are not sharable across packages, but whats up with MODE_WORLD_READABLE, etc? Jul 28 02:34:58 muthu: no plan Jul 28 02:35:40 yakischloba: who knows. maybe an omission? padding for future releases that lift the other restriction? meh. Jul 28 02:35:54 hmm. unclear Jul 28 02:36:52 Where does stuff like phone owner information reside, if anywhere? (Name, address, etc) Jul 28 02:36:54 muthu, yeah, I'm always looking for projects :) Jul 28 02:37:16 yakischloba: probably a yet to be seen provider. Jul 28 02:37:54 well, let's see, i can extend HttpClient to avoid initializing SSLSocketFactory class. Jul 28 02:37:58 i guess that's what i'll do here :\ Jul 28 02:38:01 lame. Jul 28 02:43:03 fuck. Do other people have Eclipse crash on OS X? :( Jul 28 02:45:28 well, neat, extending DefaultHttpClient worked as expected. Jul 28 02:45:44 seems like a sloppy way to avoid SSLSocketFactory class initialization, but whatever. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 28 02:59:56 2008