**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 28 02:59:56 2008
Jul 28 05:36:02 <jasta> sigh.  the version of httpclient as distributed with M5 does not seem to support connection releases :\
Jul 28 05:36:11 <jasta> very disappointing.
Jul 28 05:36:39 <jasta> and i'm having a hard time verifying that beta 4 has a owkring implementation either.
Jul 28 05:36:45 <jasta> though it does make an attempt
Jul 28 08:37:42 <davidw> 'morning
Jul 28 10:40:27 <alex2308> is there any API method/function proving data about the internet state? like offline/online?
Jul 28 10:40:40 <alex2308> err, and morning monday-dudez
Jul 28 12:03:01 <Hai-Fai> dunno if you saw it already, but here we go : http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/07/25/Should_Android_Symbian_combine_1.html
Jul 28 12:04:10 <alex2308> nothing but rumours
Jul 28 12:04:19 <alex2308> is it rumour or rumor?
Jul 28 13:16:43 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
Jul 28 13:27:31 <alex2308> greetings
Jul 28 13:28:06 <michaelnovakjr> what's up
Jul 28 13:29:10 <alex2308> need a break from work
Jul 28 13:29:22 <alex2308> whats up in florida?
Jul 28 13:35:57 <michaelnovakjr> i'm in new york
Jul 28 13:36:47 <alex2308> ok, wazzap in new york then
Jul 28 13:48:35 <alex2308> i just executed 6,24MB sql queries via remote ... :p
Jul 28 13:51:24 <michaelnovakjr> fun
Jul 28 13:53:46 <alex2308> not sure what takes so long
Jul 28 13:53:51 <alex2308> my upload or the sql server
Jul 28 15:53:54 <michaelnovakjr> ** ping jasta
Jul 28 15:54:42 <jasta> pong
Jul 28 15:55:15 <michaelnovakjr> howdy, how was the reunion
Jul 28 15:59:53 <jasta> lame
Jul 28 16:00:09 <jasta> the grandpa was so old he barely knew we were there
Jul 28 16:00:12 <jasta> he just wanted to watch tv
Jul 28 16:01:28 <michaelnovakjr> sounds like one of my family reunions
Jul 28 16:01:41 <michaelnovakjr> have you seen Glance recently?
Jul 28 16:02:34 <jasta> nope, was still futzing around with this httpclient stuffs ;)
Jul 28 16:02:39 <jasta> i'm frustrated hehe
Jul 28 16:03:10 <michaelnovakjr> i've got it working pretty good on the device
Jul 28 16:03:15 <michaelnovakjr> i can create and delete stuff
Jul 28 16:03:27 <michaelnovakjr> and push an apk from the sdcard to the /data/app directory
Jul 28 16:03:38 <michaelnovakjr> ( which makes it show up on the home screen )
Jul 28 16:03:42 <jasta> i concluded that the version of httpclient4 on M5 is too old to support what i wanted to demonstrate
Jul 28 16:03:54 <michaelnovakjr> that sucks
Jul 28 16:04:00 <jasta> so i'm writing a simpler application (outside of android) to demonstrate this approach
Jul 28 16:04:23 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Jul 28 16:05:02 <michaelnovakjr> i've got a few small things that need updating in Glance, but otherwise its serving its purpose for my needs
Jul 28 16:05:23 <romainguy_> michaelnovakjr: do you have screenshots?
Jul 28 16:05:48 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: that is cool though, that should come in really handy.
Jul 28 16:05:49 <michaelnovakjr> not at the moment, but the repo is over at http://android-random.googlecode.com
Jul 28 16:06:58 <michaelnovakjr> it uses a context menu for copy, cut, paste and "install" ( which really is just a file copy to the place the home.apk reds from )
Jul 28 16:07:06 <michaelnovakjr> oh yes, and delete
Jul 28 16:07:21 <michaelnovakjr> and a regular menu for new directory and new file
Jul 28 16:07:40 <michaelnovakjr> the emulator permissions and what's on the haret version are quite different
Jul 28 16:07:55 <michaelnovakjr> the app works much better on the device.
Jul 28 16:08:01 <jasta> that must just be a function of either the way the image is mounted, or the permissions on the filesystem itself.
Jul 28 16:08:16 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 28 16:08:16 <jasta> which could have easily been made quite different
Jul 28 16:08:25 <michaelnovakjr> definitely
Jul 28 16:08:28 <romainguy_> michaelnovakjr: I don't run M5 anymore :)
Jul 28 16:08:35 <michaelnovakjr> :) ah yes
Jul 28 16:08:44 <michaelnovakjr> i'll put together some screenshots
Jul 28 16:10:09 <jasta> i can't wait until we can apt-get install android ;)
Jul 28 16:11:16 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 28 16:11:55 <alex2308> i can't wait until we can apt-get install girlfriend ;)
Jul 28 16:12:28 <jasta> off to work
Jul 28 16:12:35 <michaelnovakjr> uh, i feel really bad that you need one of those alex2308
Jul 28 16:13:35 <alex2308> the rl gf is so hard to configure
Jul 28 16:13:44 <alex2308> and has no man pages
Jul 28 16:16:00 <dmoffett> You are wasting your time since after marriage the config is completely lost.
Jul 28 16:16:41 <zhobbs_> dmoffett: that scares me
Jul 28 16:18:20 <dmoffett> rightly so, but you are probably much smarter than I and have women figured out.  :-)
Jul 28 16:18:34 <alex2308> i heard about that. after loading marriage module the ressource usage rises. sometimes it even forks, then youre into real trouble
Jul 28 16:20:23 <dmoffett> One trick I have learned over the years is as long as the color is the same you can upgrade your toys.  :-)
Jul 28 16:20:43 <muthu> if you have a lot of money that is ;)
Jul 28 16:21:04 <dmoffett> A hidden stash is essential.
Jul 28 16:23:37 <muthu> to be kept in mars.
Jul 28 16:36:55 <jasta> yawn
Jul 28 16:37:12 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, you've used the screenshot api correct?
Jul 28 16:37:19 <jasta> nope
Jul 28 16:37:23 <jasta> why would i?
Jul 28 16:37:33 <jasta> i just run import -window to take screenshots.
Jul 28 16:37:43 <jasta> also, i use -skin hvga (not HVGA, the case matters)
Jul 28 16:37:46 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Jul 28 16:38:11 <romainguy_> just use ddms
Jul 28 16:38:26 <romainguy_> it lets you take and save screenshots
Jul 28 16:39:00 <jasta> i honestly find import simpler.
Jul 28 16:39:11 <jasta> and more generic, and more featureful :)
Jul 28 16:39:41 <romainguy_> good for you
Jul 28 16:40:02 <romainguy_> but there are operating systems out there that don't have import :)
Jul 28 16:41:37 <jasta> good point, so i should unlearn superior tools.
Jul 28 16:42:04 * jasta adds *grin*
Jul 28 16:42:05 <romainguy_> is it what I said?
Jul 28 16:42:38 <michaelnovakjr> ddms is actually really easy to grab a screenshot from
Jul 28 16:43:00 <jasta> so is typing import foo.png and clicking on the emulator
Jul 28 16:43:10 <jasta> why are we even discussing this?
Jul 28 16:43:31 <romainguy_> michaelnovakjr: I'll ask the SDK guys to see if we're gonna package the screenshot tool in the next release, it's a command line utility which dumps the screenshot directly
Jul 28 16:43:46 <michaelnovakjr> nice
Jul 28 16:44:24 <dmoffett> next release?  That would be nice.
Jul 28 16:52:01 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy_ http://code.google.com/p/android-random/wiki/Glance
Jul 28 16:52:10 <michaelnovakjr> i put a few screenshots there
Jul 28 16:55:01 <zhobbs_> michaelnovakjr: sweet
Jul 28 16:55:09 <dmoffett> michealnovakjr: Looks nice.
Jul 28 16:55:26 <michaelnovakjr> thanks
Jul 28 16:55:57 <muthu> michaelnovakjr_: no tree view?
Jul 28 16:56:13 <michaelnovakjr> muthu: not at the moment
Jul 28 16:56:22 <michaelnovakjr> didn't seem necessary for my purposes
Jul 28 16:56:23 <dmoffett> It would be nice if you can copy files to/from the emulator to the os.
Jul 28 16:56:41 <michaelnovakjr> you can, but using the command line
Jul 28 16:56:48 <dmoffett> right
Jul 28 16:57:06 <michaelnovakjr> i wrote Glance more for devices than the emulator
Jul 28 16:57:28 <dmoffett> I understand just being lazy.  :-)
Jul 28 16:57:29 <michaelnovakjr> i've been playing around on the vogue
Jul 28 16:58:06 <michaelnovakjr> but muthu i will be adding the tree view into the app once i have all the functionality solid
Jul 28 16:58:15 <muthu> cool, looks good
Jul 28 16:58:39 <michaelnovakjr> since the vogue's sms app is really weak, i'm whipping up a quick threaded sms app
Jul 28 16:58:48 <michaelnovakjr> i get too many messages while playing around with apps :)
Jul 28 17:00:39 <jasta> lol
Jul 28 17:00:47 <jasta> that's cool i didn't know you were working on that ;)
Jul 28 17:01:05 <michaelnovakjr> i just started today, its actually really really really simple
Jul 28 17:01:12 <michaelnovakjr> i'll probably be done with it tonight
Jul 28 17:01:31 <michaelnovakjr> intents do all the heavy lifting of getting messages
Jul 28 17:02:15 <zhobbs_> damn, I need a vogue
Jul 28 17:02:18 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy_ http://code.google.com/p/android-random/wiki/Glance
Jul 28 17:02:33 <michaelnovakjr> i didn't realized you left when i pasted the link
Jul 28 17:03:27 <michaelnovakjr> zhobbs_ its fun to play around with
Jul 28 17:05:56 <jasta> zhobbs_: im about to go get one with service on it by scamming their 30 day guarantee ;)
Jul 28 17:06:22 <jasta> i have a vogue already, but i needed service on it and they won't let me do anything prepaid or similar.
Jul 28 17:06:46 <jasta> so i'd have to sign up for a year long contract at a minimum of $360, and that's not even unlimited data :\
Jul 28 17:13:06 <zhobbs_> jasta: what carriers do they work with?
Jul 28 17:18:39 <jasta> the vogue?  it's a CDMA phone, offered by Sprint in the US.
Jul 28 17:18:54 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: did you ever figure out why the connection fails quickly after android is booted?
Jul 28 17:33:10 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, i haven't figured it out yet..... what i did notice was the httpdownloader had said it was receiving the file, but it didn't actually get it
Jul 28 17:33:30 <michaelnovakjr> i think its a result of the connection issue
Jul 28 17:34:18 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, do you not use sprint?
Jul 28 17:34:28 <jasta> no, of course not.  sprint sucks.
Jul 28 17:34:38 <AttractiveApe> sprint sero?  It does not suck.
Jul 28 17:34:52 <ttuttle> Isn't Sero intended for employees?
Jul 28 17:35:04 <AttractiveApe> ttuttle: and friends and family of employees. ;)
Jul 28 17:35:06 <jasta> the service on sprint is miserable.
Jul 28 17:35:12 <jasta> and the phone selection is pathetic
Jul 28 17:35:34 <jasta> we use sprint at work, and i hate it.
Jul 28 17:37:33 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i have my fair share of problems with sprint
Jul 28 17:38:47 <jasta> i'm disappointed that when android launches, it'll be on the weaker of the major carrier.s
Jul 28 17:39:06 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 28 17:39:22 <jasta> AT&T and Verizon are clear winners in terms of the coverage and performance of their network.
Jul 28 17:39:35 <michaelnovakjr> i hate Verizon
Jul 28 17:39:46 <jasta> ...and as such they are both the most gouging ;)
Jul 28 17:40:30 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 28 17:40:43 <michaelnovakjr> Verizon has crappy prices and they get you for every little thing
Jul 28 17:40:55 <michaelnovakjr> when i had verizon the bill was never below $300
Jul 28 17:41:12 <jasta> i'm very happy with AT&T
Jul 28 17:41:28 <jasta> i pay about $100/mo for unlimited text messaging and data, and 900 minutes with rollover
Jul 28 17:41:41 <jasta> i haven't paid a dime into extra charges for well over a year.
Jul 28 17:41:55 <jasta> (and their network coverage is great)
Jul 28 17:42:09 <jasta> i'm really nervous about T-Mobile launching an Android handset as well.  They currently don't even have a 3G network.
Jul 28 17:42:11 <yakischloba> jasta: does that include tethering?
Jul 28 17:42:28 <jasta> And they'll be rolling it out brand spanking new (and only in select markets) right before Android comes out?  *Yikes*!
Jul 28 17:42:35 <jasta> yakischloba: tethering works, but isn't supported.
Jul 28 17:42:39 <jasta> windows mobile makes it work
Jul 28 17:42:50 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, yea.... tmobile really needs  the 3g thing to go well :)
Jul 28 17:42:56 <yakischloba> I mean that it is included in the cost?
Jul 28 17:43:11 <jasta> yakischloba: no, but as i said, Windows Mobile makes it work without the carrier's consent.
Jul 28 17:43:13 <yakischloba> Verizon somehow recognizes when you are tethering and charges extra 15/mo for it in addition to whatever data you are paying for.
Jul 28 17:43:13 <michaelnovakjr> tethering with verizon i believe is extra
Jul 28 17:43:23 <jasta> you have to buy tethering for like $40/mo, but if you have wm phone, it will "just work"
Jul 28 17:43:25 <michaelnovakjr> sprint does the same thing
Jul 28 17:43:48 <yakischloba> It did indeed 'just work' but I was charged for it
Jul 28 17:43:50 <jasta> i used to use it all the time and they never noticed.
Jul 28 17:44:01 <jasta> i never was charged, but i havent used it for like 6 months
Jul 28 17:44:09 <jasta> (it's so fucking slow it's not worth it)
Jul 28 17:44:29 <yakischloba> I believe there was a period of time when I first started using it that it wasn't noticed but that was short
Jul 28 17:44:49 <yakischloba> Bleh. I found myself using tethering about 10x as much as using internet apps on the phone itself.
Jul 28 17:45:33 <yakischloba> Can't complain too much about the speed as long as you stick in the metro area. I used it a lot going to/from Portland too. Stick on the freeway and its decent.
Jul 28 17:45:34 <jasta> i use google maps on my mobile, and i have a newsreader which polls in the background
Jul 28 17:45:39 <jasta> that's about it that i use thje data connection for
Jul 28 17:45:41 <jasta> the*
Jul 28 17:45:52 <michaelnovakjr> i rarely use the web browser
Jul 28 17:46:09 <jasta> me too, the web brwoser on windows mobile is unusable.
Jul 28 17:46:12 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 28 17:46:12 <jasta> even opera doesn't work great.
Jul 28 17:46:17 <jasta> it's *SO* slow and clunky
Jul 28 17:46:19 <yakischloba> yeah. I used google maps a lot and I'd use AIM sometimes. and of course the browser a bit. I just couldn't justify the $45/mo for it. I canceled it a while back and I've occasionally missed it but not much.
Jul 28 17:46:20 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 28 17:46:38 <michaelnovakjr> skyfire was supposed to be good but i haven't heard much else about it
Jul 28 17:47:03 <yakischloba> I sure miss the tethering though.
Jul 28 17:47:13 <jasta> i only pay $30/mo for data
Jul 28 17:47:21 <yakischloba> 'unlimited?'
Jul 28 17:47:25 <jasta> yeah
Jul 28 17:47:31 <jasta> AT&T's data pricing is very fair.
Jul 28 17:47:39 <yakischloba> Hmm thats nice. Verizon was 45 + 15 for tether.
Jul 28 17:47:42 <jasta> $30/mo for unlimited data and texts.
Jul 28 17:47:52 <jasta> although certain phones (like the iphone) require $45/mo
Jul 28 17:48:41 <yakischloba> Sounds like a good reason to switch. I've neglected to get a new phone despite having my free/discounted one available specifically because I didn't want to be stuck in a verizon contract when android handsets came out.
Jul 28 17:48:56 <jasta> anyway, i will reluctantly switch to any network i need to just to get an android phone to experiment with.
Jul 28 17:49:18 <michaelnovakjr> it sucks the vogue isn't wifi capable
Jul 28 17:49:20 <ttuttle> romainguy_: Good afternoon.
Jul 28 17:49:26 <jasta> i timed my last device purchase so i could cancel my at&t contract
Jul 28 17:49:51 <jasta> though i will be very sad to do that.  i have a lifetime discount on my account of 15% :(
Jul 28 17:49:59 <yakischloba> Nice.
Jul 28 17:50:02 <ttuttle> jasta: Ooh, can I buy your account? ;-)
Jul 28 17:50:13 <jasta> i haggled for it way back in the day when they still did stuff like that
Jul 28 17:50:17 <jasta> and got them to commit to it
Jul 28 17:50:20 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, you don't think someone will get android devices running on att?
Jul 28 17:50:21 <jasta> and sure enough, it has stuck with me.
Jul 28 17:52:10 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: well, maybe if they can make it work right.
Jul 28 17:52:15 <jasta> but i'm not interested in some crippled hack ;)
Jul 28 17:52:26 <jasta> my interest in android when it first launches is to experiment with the platform.
Jul 28 17:52:41 <jasta> and i don't think it would be a very fair test if i was using something other than what is officially being pushed to the consumer
Jul 28 17:52:47 <michaelnovakjr> true
Jul 28 17:52:53 <jasta> depending on what i see, i may or may not even use Android as my main device.
Jul 28 17:53:07 <michaelnovakjr> but who knows how it will be when it launches
Jul 28 17:53:37 <michaelnovakjr> from the little i have used it on the vogue i really like the UI
Jul 28 17:53:46 <michaelnovakjr> its very simple
Jul 28 17:54:10 <michaelnovakjr> the emulator just doesn't give justice to the real usability
Jul 28 17:54:25 <jasta> agreed.
Jul 28 17:54:57 <jasta> seeing it on a device in your hand makes you appreciate its potential
Jul 28 17:55:02 <michaelnovakjr> yes
Jul 28 17:55:09 <jasta> but still, as it is now, obviously it sucks as a phone.
Jul 28 17:55:26 <michaelnovakjr> there isn't anything to it
Jul 28 17:55:28 <jasta> i've been getting nervous about reports i've heard lately too
Jul 28 17:55:35 <michaelnovakjr> which ones?
Jul 28 17:55:37 <jasta> industry insiders admitting that it basically won't do anything exceptionally well
Jul 28 17:55:40 <jasta> or even as well as other phones.
Jul 28 17:56:00 <michaelnovakjr> when you say it sucks as a phone.... what about it makes it suck?
Jul 28 17:56:03 <jasta> but it'll be open.  i don't know that you can punch through with consumers with that strategy hehe, so i'm just hoping the "industry insiders" are idiots.
Jul 28 17:56:05 <michaelnovakjr> phone functionality?
Jul 28 17:56:16 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: i mean M5, as released, would make a terrible phone hehe
Jul 28 17:56:23 <michaelnovakjr> oh sure :)
Jul 28 17:56:30 <romainguy_> but M5 is so 6 months ago :)
Jul 28 17:56:44 <michaelnovakjr> that's like running windows 3.11 on a mac pro :)
Jul 28 17:57:03 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy_ did you see the link i posted?
Jul 28 18:13:32 <romainguy_> michaelnovakjr_: yes, thanks
Jul 28 18:18:31 <jasta> what link?
Jul 28 18:18:38 <michaelnovakjr> glance screenshots
Jul 28 18:18:45 <jasta> oh
Jul 28 18:20:56 <michaelnovakjr> did you see
Jul 28 18:21:27 <jasta> no :)
Jul 28 18:21:40 <michaelnovakjr> its a wiki page
Jul 28 18:21:53 <michaelnovakjr> on the android-random project
Jul 28 18:22:22 <jasta> oh yeah i saw this already ;)
Jul 28 18:23:28 <jasonchen> jasta: re: your question about httpclient—you should be using the httpclient 4.x version.  (sorry for the delay—the engineer who knew about this was out on friday)
Jul 28 18:25:25 <michaelnovakjr> romainguy_ how's it look?
Jul 28 18:25:32 <michaelnovakjr> not that there's much to it :)
Jul 28 18:27:33 <jasta> jasonchen: k, but the version you distribute is old and doesn't support the feature i require.  i alreayd figured this out.
Jul 28 18:28:07 <jasta> i think it's beta 1 or 2.  beta 4 fixes my issue :\
Jul 28 18:32:04 <jasta> i'm working on confirmation that beta 4 does in fact fix it at least.
Jul 28 18:32:30 <jasta> they claim to, but meh.  java 1.4 fixed the real issue, so how they needed until beta 4 to get the fix included in their new, unstable API makes me doubt their fix :)
Jul 28 18:33:24 <jasonchen> jasta: i believe we'll be shipping whatever version of httpclient is most current when we hit SDK 1.0
Jul 28 18:33:41 <jasta> hopefully that is not beta 4 :\
Jul 28 18:33:59 <jasta> an API freeze hasn't even been announced yet, has it?
Jul 28 18:34:49 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 28 18:35:09 <michaelnovakjr> wouldn't that be hard to announce when the public sdk isn't the latest one?
Jul 28 18:35:58 <jasta> i mean in httpclient
Jul 28 18:41:37 <jasta> lord, i misread the version labeling.  this is alpha4 :)
Jul 28 18:42:47 <michaelnovakjr> that's quite a difference
Jul 28 18:43:01 <jasta> httpcore is in beta, httpclient is in alpha
Jul 28 18:43:14 <jasta> though it seems as of july 24th, the API has been frozen.
Jul 28 18:43:29 <jasta> although that decision seems to have been reached quite informally :)
Jul 28 18:44:22 <jasta> this is a really messy situation for android :)
Jul 28 18:49:15 <jasta> i'm looking at the forums...
Jul 28 18:49:33 <jasta> they are currently trying to decide on a beta 1 release.
Jul 28 18:49:34 <jasta> lol ;)
Jul 28 18:59:28 <jasta> umdk1d4: hi :)
Jul 28 19:03:40 <umdk1d4> o.o forums?
Jul 28 19:10:16 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, text messaging works :), just have to setup the interface
Jul 28 19:11:53 <SanMehat> lol
Jul 28 19:13:02 <michaelnovakjr> SanMehat: ?
Jul 28 19:13:10 <SanMehat> sorry misfire.
Jul 28 19:13:26 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 28 19:13:34 <SanMehat> and i was grinning at 'THE PHP JEDI'
Jul 28 19:30:47 <davidw> sort of like the styrofoam sword ninja
Jul 28 19:50:16 <morrildl> or cardboard tube samurai
Jul 28 19:50:49 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 28 20:22:52 * zhobbs_ bangs head against wall
Jul 28 20:23:09 <jasta> ditto :\
Jul 28 20:23:13 * zhobbs_ dreams about august 6th
Jul 28 20:23:29 <ttuttle> What's August 6th?
Jul 28 20:23:53 <zhobbs_> the day after august 5, which is the deadline for round 2 of the ADC
Jul 28 20:23:59 <ttuttle> Ah.
Jul 28 20:24:05 <ttuttle> Yummy, ADC apps!
Jul 28 20:24:08 <jasta> it was supposed to have been today :)
Jul 28 20:24:40 <jasta> ..i think
Jul 28 20:24:45 <zhobbs_> yeah, it was
Jul 28 20:25:26 <jasta> and originally even, it was last month.
Jul 28 20:26:09 <zhobbs_> yep
Jul 28 20:26:22 <zhobbs_> probably good they delayed, apps will be better
Jul 28 20:26:25 <ttuttle> == zhobbs_
Jul 28 20:26:31 <ttuttle> Software generally improves with time.
Jul 28 20:28:02 <jasta> zhobbs_: i'd like to think that apps will continue to develop even after the ADC.  perhaps i'm just being naive ;)
Jul 28 20:29:34 <zhobbs_> jasta: of course they will
Jul 28 20:30:03 <zhobbs_> but when you announce the winners and give out a bunch of money you want some cool apps, and the delays probably make them cooler
Jul 28 20:30:38 <michaelnovakjr> ttuttle: not sure all of the adc apps are yummy
Jul 28 20:32:54 <jasta> zhobbs_: i was being jestful :)
Jul 28 20:33:49 <jasta> i'm really curious to see if the carriers even care about the ADC...
Jul 28 20:35:00 <jasta> they seem to take a long time (in the US at least) to take notice of community applications.
Jul 28 20:35:23 <jasta> lots of phones still launch today without google maps preinstalled, even, let alone any smaller community apps.
Jul 28 20:35:31 <jasta> like a simple AIM client or anything like that.
Jul 28 20:36:04 <jasta> typically they tend to avoid stuff like that.  will android change that attitude, i wonder?
Jul 28 20:36:32 <zhobbs_> they will adopt apps they can figure out how to profit off of
Jul 28 20:47:03 <jasta> zhobbs_: i doubt they will find a large crop from the ADC there.
Jul 28 20:51:56 <michaelnovakjr> definitely wont'
Jul 28 20:57:05 <jasta> well, i just confirmed that at least with httpcore-4b2 and httpclient-4a4, the interruption i want works.  so i guess i can just assume that at some point this code will magically work right under android.
Jul 28 20:58:19 <jasta> sigh.
Jul 28 21:10:22 <yakischloba> you probably could have written your own http client by now
Jul 28 21:17:25 <jasta> well it's not like i've been working non-stop :)
Jul 28 21:17:36 <jasta> probalby only spent a few hours looking at this total
Jul 28 21:18:03 <jasta> i'm baffled that this issue wouldn't have been resolved ages ago
Jul 28 21:18:20 <jasta> and also i've been taking these revelations and reapplying them back to Five and other projects ;)
Jul 28 21:19:08 <yakischloba> eh
Jul 28 21:19:18 <yakischloba> you've spent more than a few hours just talking about it :)
Jul 28 21:19:59 <jasta> well, yeah ;)
Jul 28 21:20:21 <jasta> i like tinkering, so sue me
Jul 28 21:20:36 <yakischloba> no criticism from me.
Jul 28 21:20:49 <yakischloba> just poking fun :)
Jul 28 21:20:56 <jasta> err, don't really, i did decompile Android to figure out more specifics about their httpcore version ;0
Jul 28 21:21:22 <jasta> i ordered a new book on concurrency in Java
Jul 28 21:21:27 <jasta> excited to read through that
Jul 28 21:24:36 <jasta> i was daydreaming about concurrency issues with I/O all weekend :)
Jul 28 21:24:49 <jasta> probably because of the heat.  i was in hood river, or this weekend...
Jul 28 21:29:17 <heat> because of me?
Jul 28 21:29:22 <heat> tihi
Jul 28 21:33:19 <yakischloba> I ordered some more RAM and I'm excited to get that.
Jul 28 22:06:04 <AttractiveApe> yakischloba: hoe much ram?
Jul 28 22:06:10 <AttractiveApe> how*?
Jul 28 22:09:20 <yakischloba> AttractiveApe: just 2GB for my macbook. I've been trying to run Eclipse and the emulator on 1GB along with all my other junk and its been quite a mess.
Jul 28 22:10:19 <yakischloba> I suppose I should've just put the money toward and iMac though, since I'm getting so annoyed with doing all my work on a laptop
Jul 28 22:10:28 <yakischloba> my eyes and fingers hurt more every day :(
Jul 28 22:11:39 <AttractiveApe> :/
Jul 28 22:13:23 <dmoffett> yakischloba: I bought a keyboard and 24 inch monitor for my laptop and it worked out quite nice.
Jul 28 22:15:38 * jasta prefers having a workstation and a laptop
Jul 28 22:15:49 <yakischloba> dmoffett: I've been considering that, as a new desktop is a little ways off for me. One of my other problems though is that I currently take my laptop to work so I spend way too much time pluggin and unplugging all my shit every morning/evening
Jul 28 22:17:55 <yakischloba> I guess I have some hardware I could scrap together and buy a nice monitor for. Maybe I'll do that this evening.
Jul 28 22:23:27 <dmoffett> A blue tooth keyboard will save you some plugging and unplugging.  I really like the new Apple wireless keyboard.  However once it seems to go a bit crazy.  Not sure why.
Jul 28 22:25:05 <yakischloba> What monitor did you go with?
Jul 28 22:25:22 <yakischloba> apple?
Jul 28 22:25:25 <AttractiveApe> yakischloba: Why not get a port replicator for both home and work?
Jul 28 22:25:50 <dmoffett> Don't laugh but I bought the Gateway FPD2485W.
Jul 28 22:26:25 <dmoffett> The monitor seems pretty good and a really good price.
Jul 28 22:26:31 <yakischloba> AttractiveApe: thats a good idea as well
Jul 28 22:27:45 <AttractiveApe> yakischloba: I've been mostly a desktop person myself, but I'm dying to pickup a netbook soon.
Jul 28 22:29:26 <yakischloba> I'm a big fan of Apple hardware, as much as it doesn't suit my income...I really love my macbook. Its gone with me on my bike to work every day for about 1.5 years now and I haven't had any problems with it
Jul 28 22:29:54 <yakischloba> smooth and solid
Jul 28 22:34:26 <yakischloba> time to unplug everything and go home. bbiab.
Jul 28 22:40:58 <jasta> yawn
Jul 28 22:41:21 <jasta> hehe, i got an unsolicited job offer for some J2ME development e-mailed to me this morning
Jul 28 22:41:35 <jasta> i thought it was spam at first.  then i read it and deleted it like it was ;)
Jul 28 23:05:40 <jasta_> hehe.  ircing from my phone...
Jul 28 23:09:31 <jasta_> not as exciting as i imagined it would be :)
Jul 28 23:43:47 <michaelnovakjr1> howdy
Jul 28 23:49:44 <jasta> hiya
Jul 28 23:50:19 <michaelnovakjr1> how's it going?
Jul 28 23:51:28 <jasta> pretty good
Jul 28 23:52:23 <michaelnovakjr1> sms app is incredibly easy
Jul 29 00:03:14 <jasta> that's god ;)
Jul 29 00:03:16 <jasta> good*
Jul 29 01:33:26 <yakischloba> Hmm I'm browsing monitors. Any recommendations? I'm shooting for around 250 USD and hopefully 22"
Jul 29 01:34:18 <dueynz> i like my del
Jul 29 01:34:20 <dueynz> dell
Jul 29 01:34:49 <yakischloba> dell what
Jul 29 01:34:57 <dueynz> monitor.
Jul 29 01:35:01 <michaelnovakjr1> i have a 2 dell 22 inches and they are great
Jul 29 01:35:05 <yakischloba> Model?
Jul 29 01:35:13 <dueynz> yakischloba, they change all the time
Jul 29 01:35:22 <yakischloba> gotcha.
Jul 29 01:35:26 <dueynz> i have one of the cheaper 22'' and also an the higher end 22''
Jul 29 01:35:34 <dueynz> both are good
Jul 29 01:35:38 <michaelnovakjr1> i paid 290 for mine
Jul 29 01:36:09 <dueynz> i have one 2208WFP and E228WFP
Jul 29 01:36:26 <michaelnovakjr1> yea i have the latter
Jul 29 01:36:36 <yakischloba> There are a couple Acers at around 250 that were recommended to me. I'm a little hesitant to order anything without seeing it in a store though.
Jul 29 01:36:59 <yakischloba> I think I want to roll with a 'glossy' because I like the glossy display of my Macbook, but I've seen some terrible glossy displays too.
Jul 29 01:37:02 <michaelnovakjr1> i use an acer at work
Jul 29 01:37:12 <michaelnovakjr1> i prefer the dell
Jul 29 01:38:52 <yakischloba> Did you buy from Dell or somewhere else?
Jul 29 01:39:04 <michaelnovakjr1> from dell
Jul 29 01:41:18 <yakischloba> the e228wfp is pretty damn cheap. looks nice.
Jul 29 01:42:02 <michaelnovakjr1> yea, between the 22 inch acer i have and the 22 inch dell.... i prefer the dell for sure :)
Jul 29 01:43:13 <dueynz> E228WFP doesnt like ps3
Jul 29 01:43:19 <dueynz> oh actually
Jul 29 01:43:20 <dueynz> it might
Jul 29 01:43:24 <dueynz> i had a crap cable
Jul 29 01:44:10 <michaelnovakjr1> i use HD for my ps3
Jul 29 02:18:29 <yakischloba> ordered one
Jul 29 02:18:49 <michaelnovakjr1> dell?
Jul 29 02:22:19 <yakischloba> yeah e228wfp
Jul 29 02:22:46 <michaelnovakjr1> sweet
Jul 29 02:23:23 <yakischloba> yeah. when I decided to buy one I was expecting to pay more. the prices have really come down.
Jul 29 02:23:57 <michaelnovakjr1> yea, the prices are great.... how much was it?
Jul 29 02:24:07 <yakischloba> 260 total
Jul 29 02:24:14 <michaelnovakjr1> sweet
Jul 29 02:24:20 <yakischloba> yeah
Jul 29 02:25:31 <yakischloba> 3 year warranty included is pretty cool too
Jul 29 02:25:52 <michaelnovakjr1> that's a good deal
Jul 29 02:33:24 <jasta> i got my 22" for $230 after rebate
Jul 29 02:33:29 <jasta> about a year and a half ago
Jul 29 02:33:40 <jasta> 22"'s* :)
Jul 29 02:33:57 <michaelnovakjr1> i bought two for $290 about 7 months ago
Jul 29 02:34:04 <michaelnovakjr1> looking to get more :)
Jul 29 02:45:50 <yakischloba> yeah I intend to buy another soon when I can afford it. That would make a great setup.
Jul 29 02:46:26 <michaelnovakjr1> definitely
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