**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 29 02:59:56 2008
Jul 29 03:05:30 <jasta> interesting, i figured out how to generate those "unable to opt direct call" lines in emulated code
Jul 29 03:05:39 <jasta> (not on the vogue)
Jul 29 03:05:46 <michaelnovakjr1> hm
Jul 29 03:05:56 <jasta> it seems to go bonkers when you include a custom jar.
Jul 29 03:06:13 * jasta wonders if that could be the culprit as to why my app explodes
Jul 29 03:06:25 <michaelnovakjr1> interesting
Jul 29 03:06:47 <michaelnovakjr1> can you run your app without it?
Jul 29 03:06:55 <jasta> of course, it doesn't explode on the emulator, but on the real device it crashes dexopt
Jul 29 03:07:14 <jasta> not really, but i may be able to whip up a test to explore that.
Jul 29 03:07:21 <michaelnovakjr1> cool
Jul 29 03:07:40 <jasta> did you ever produce a log file that i could explore?
Jul 29 03:07:59 <michaelnovakjr1> i tried, but i can't get it to continue long enough
Jul 29 03:08:00 <jasta> so i could compare two different runs?  i remain skeptical that AttractiveApe's log is tainted by a dying SD card ;)
Jul 29 03:08:14 <michaelnovakjr1> where does your logcat save to?
Jul 29 03:08:17 <michaelnovakjr1> i can try that
Jul 29 03:08:31 <jasta> mine sucks too much to do what we need.
Jul 29 03:08:44 <jasta> just modify yours to let you stream output to a file in /data instead of the network
Jul 29 03:08:51 <jasta> should be a trivial change
Jul 29 03:08:53 <michaelnovakjr1> sounds good :)
Jul 29 03:09:09 <michaelnovakjr1> yea just point to a file output stream.
Jul 29 03:09:21 <jasta> i swear i think it hangs because dexopt crashes
Jul 29 03:09:29 <michaelnovakjr1> i'll make that change now
Jul 29 03:16:08 <michaelnovakjr1> booting up the emulator
Jul 29 03:16:17 <michaelnovakjr1> or device i should say :)
Jul 29 03:28:03 <michaelnovakjr1> jasta, still there?
Jul 29 03:31:46 <jasta> ...maybe :)
Jul 29 03:32:34 <michaelnovakjr1> running the logger now
Jul 29 03:35:59 <jasta> excellent.
Jul 29 03:38:18 <jasta> hmm, is there some special trick to including a jar file implementing a different version of something Android includes?
Jul 29 03:38:55 <jasta> i got it building fine by setting the order in the build path, but then when it runs i get a NoSuchMethodError, as though the newer class is not being used.
Jul 29 03:39:07 <michaelnovakjr1> hm
Jul 29 03:40:44 <jasta> ?
Jul 29 03:41:23 <michaelnovakjr1> that was in response to what you said
Jul 29 03:41:28 <jasta> oh
Jul 29 03:41:34 <jasta> i can't really figure out how to debug this even.
Jul 29 03:41:39 <michaelnovakjr1> i had to push the apk to the device manually because it wasn't downloading again
Jul 29 03:42:05 <jasta> the call stack is from my classes <init>, and the line it gives is simply instantiating a class with a constructor
Jul 29 03:42:13 <jasta> a class found in both versions, mine and android's.
Jul 29 03:42:28 <jasta> michaelnovakjr1: you didn't have it in you data.img already?
Jul 29 03:42:36 <jasta> oh, for the new apk :)
Jul 29 03:42:40 <michaelnovakjr1> yea
Jul 29 03:42:46 <jasta> i bet if you call up Sprint and hassle them about the ppp username/password it will work.
Jul 29 03:42:47 <michaelnovakjr1> the updated version with the file io
Jul 29 03:42:56 <jasta> letting the phone dial the connection itself, that is.
Jul 29 03:43:06 <jasta> or rather letting android do it
Jul 29 03:43:51 <michaelnovakjr1> yea, i'm going to have to because i can't even get a few seconds on it.
Jul 29 03:44:13 <jasta> maybe im not including some dependency or something
Jul 29 03:57:49 <michaelnovakjr1> jasta, i'm working on the logcat.... i had a typo in the file name and messed it up :)
Jul 29 03:58:02 <michaelnovakjr1> fixed now, and i test on the emulator and it worked!
Jul 29 03:58:10 <michaelnovakjr1> so now i am putting it on the device
Jul 29 04:00:08 <michaelnovakjr1> Glance is certainly coming in handy
Jul 29 04:03:22 <michaelnovakjr1> be right back
Jul 29 05:16:58 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: get the locK?
Jul 29 13:16:18 <gambler> ping 10.1.1.4
Jul 29 13:28:40 <alex2308> pong
Jul 29 15:35:01 <jasta> yawn
Jul 29 15:36:00 <michaelnovakjr> howdy
Jul 29 15:36:15 <michaelnovakjr> so, i had a corrupted data.img on my device
Jul 29 15:36:23 <jasta> cute.
Jul 29 15:36:31 <michaelnovakjr> it was messing up the apk's and reading the wrong files and what not
Jul 29 15:36:54 <michaelnovakjr> so i just wiped it and i am transferring a new data.img with all the apps loaded up already
Jul 29 15:37:12 <michaelnovakjr> when it finishes i can run the logger because sprint helped me with my data connection!
Jul 29 15:38:13 <michaelnovakjr> they hooked me up with the username/password combo and i've been getting an active connection all the time now
Jul 29 15:38:34 <jasta> nice :)
Jul 29 15:38:43 <jasta> they really gave you that?  that's incredible that they even knew about it.
Jul 29 15:39:04 <jasta> i was right across the street from a sprint store yesterday
Jul 29 15:39:14 <jasta> so tempted to go in and sign up, then return everything 30 days later
Jul 29 15:39:28 <jasta> i would have to pay for the service ($30 or so), and like a $50 restocking fee.
Jul 29 15:39:32 <michaelnovakjr> it took awhile... i was on the phone about an hour... i explained i needed the ppp connection info and that i see my username on the phone but can't see a password
Jul 29 15:39:36 <jasta> the $50 restocking fee sucks :\
Jul 29 15:39:41 <michaelnovakjr> so they reset the password
Jul 29 15:39:52 <jasta> and that did the trick?
Jul 29 15:39:58 <jasta> i mean, you get a stable connection now?
Jul 29 15:40:20 <michaelnovakjr> yep
Jul 29 15:42:03 <jasta> nice, very nice
Jul 29 15:42:09 <jasta> how'd you find out your username in the first place?
Jul 29 15:42:36 <michaelnovakjr> it was listed under the device info
Jul 29 15:42:58 <michaelnovakjr> it was my name @ sprintpcs.com and then they reset the password for me and gave it to me
Jul 29 15:43:14 <jasta> ahh, that's helpful :)
Jul 29 15:43:21 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 29 15:43:32 <jasta> did you have to put the new password back into the windows mobile programming somehow?
Jul 29 15:44:16 <michaelnovakjr> nope, i restarted the device and win mobile was connected, i then added the info to default.txt and booted up android and the connection didn't crap out
Jul 29 15:44:36 <jasta> excellent.  you've now convinced me to go buy one ;)
Jul 29 15:44:53 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 29 15:46:12 <michaelnovakjr> my sms app is coming along nicely...... just have to put finishing touches on the UI and its all good
Jul 29 15:46:15 <michaelnovakjr> threaded messaging :)
Jul 29 15:46:20 <jasta> nice :)
Jul 29 15:50:21 <yakischloba> morning
Jul 29 15:50:27 <michaelnovakjr> morning
Jul 29 15:50:33 <yakischloba> i can't wait for my monitor ;)
Jul 29 15:50:48 <michaelnovakjr> it was a good choice
Jul 29 15:51:05 <yakischloba> yeah im glad i went with that one. solid recommendations.
Jul 29 15:51:17 <yakischloba> cheap too
Jul 29 15:51:22 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 29 15:54:50 <jasta> i guess i should probably go in to work
Jul 29 15:55:06 <yakischloba> its sprinkling...im staying home today :(
Jul 29 15:56:23 <michaelnovakjr> i wish i could do that
Jul 29 15:56:55 <yakischloba> heh. I can work from home 1 day or a week or so.
Jul 29 15:57:07 <michaelnovakjr> damn where do you work?
Jul 29 15:57:13 <jasta> hehe, my roommate is a genius
Jul 29 15:57:15 <yakischloba> which I'm taking full advantage of now, since I fucking hate my job
Jul 29 15:57:30 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 29 15:57:32 <jasta> we had this new neighbor move in downstairs (kind of a town house deal where i live)
Jul 29 15:57:56 <michaelnovakjr> nice?
Jul 29 15:58:00 <jasta> for some reason her laptop couldn't see our wireless network, so she came up and asked if we could help her get on to someone else's
Jul 29 15:58:18 <jasta> my roommate offered to help, but said in exchange he needed 5 homecooked breakfasts on weekends when he was hungover
Jul 29 15:58:24 <yakischloba> haha
Jul 29 15:58:25 <yakischloba> perfect
Jul 29 15:58:29 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 29 15:58:36 <jasta> she agreed, but then all he did was buy another wireless router and extend the range of our network so she could see it
Jul 29 15:58:47 <yakischloba> lol
Jul 29 15:58:49 <jasta> and she really did come up here and make breakfast for like a month
Jul 29 15:58:59 <jasta> and then she had a major crush on him
Jul 29 15:59:13 <michaelnovakjr> that's a problem?
Jul 29 15:59:18 <jasta> he told me "i've learned a thing or two since the days of fixing girls computers for free in the dorm."
Jul 29 15:59:25 <jasta> no, that's why i said he's a genius :)
Jul 29 15:59:31 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 29 15:59:34 <michaelnovakjr> definitely
Jul 29 15:59:34 <yakischloba> har
Jul 29 16:00:00 <michaelnovakjr> that is genius
Jul 29 16:00:37 <jasta> she's cute too ;)
Jul 29 16:00:47 <yakischloba> I should hope so
Jul 29 16:03:49 <jasta> hehe, my roommate's pretty funny actually
Jul 29 16:04:29 <jasta> his philosophy on getting women is the "everybody gets lonely" principle.
Jul 29 16:10:24 <yakischloba> its true
Jul 29 16:23:51 <yakischloba> Conversion to Dalvik format failed with error 1
Jul 29 16:23:52 <yakischloba> :(
Jul 29 16:24:29 <yakischloba> builds fine on my other machine
Jul 29 16:24:42 <jasta> i've had that happen erroneously before as well.
Jul 29 16:24:52 <jasta> i just cleaned my project (Project -> Clean in Eclipse) and then it started working
Jul 29 16:26:27 <yakischloba> invalid constant pool blah blah
Jul 29 16:26:42 <romainguy__> what compiler are you using?
Jul 29 16:27:02 <yakischloba> maybe i forgot some eclipse files when i gitted it over here
Jul 29 16:29:33 <yakischloba> romainguy__: where do i look
Jul 29 16:29:44 <romainguy__> type javac -version
Jul 29 16:29:47 <romainguy__> in a shell
Jul 29 16:30:10 <yakischloba> javac 1.5.0_13
Jul 29 16:30:17 <yakischloba> oops
Jul 29 16:30:21 <yakischloba> thats on this computer..wrong coputer
Jul 29 16:30:22 <yakischloba> stupid
Jul 29 16:30:49 <yakischloba> Eclipse Java Compiler v_774_R33x, 3.3.1
Jul 29 16:31:12 <romainguy__> I wonder if there's a problem with this compiler
Jul 29 16:31:21 <romainguy__> I know there were issues sometimes with javac 1.6
Jul 29 16:34:36 <yakischloba> no classfiles specified
Jul 29 16:34:38 <yakischloba> ?
Jul 29 16:34:53 <yakischloba> Something tells me I'm just being a dumbshit
Jul 29 16:38:34 <yakischloba_> http://pastebin.org/58216
Jul 29 16:44:53 <jasta> yawn
Jul 29 17:04:08 <jasta> romainguy_: do you know if there's a special trick to including the newer httpclient/core jar in Android?
Jul 29 17:04:23 <romainguy_> in M5 I have no idea
Jul 29 17:04:27 <jasta> it is behaving inconsistently at runtime
Jul 29 17:04:40 <jasta> throwing a NoSuchMethodError when initializing my class, stating a line that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Jul 29 17:05:08 <jasta> and adb logcat complains a lot about dexopt refusing to opt duplicate packages
Jul 29 17:05:22 <jasta> is it possible that duplicate packages just confuse dex and they don't work/
Jul 29 17:07:48 <jasta> i guess it could be that i'm not including all the right jars, so some new dep introduced in the newer httpclient may not be satisfied by my bundled jars.
Jul 29 17:07:52 <jasta> not sure about that.
Jul 29 17:08:18 <jasta> but then the call stack wouldn't make any sense
Jul 29 17:14:23 <jasta> hey AttractiveApe.
Jul 29 17:16:51 <AttractiveApe> hey hey :)
Jul 29 17:17:24 <jasta> michaelnovakjr was able to figure out the connection stability issue.
Jul 29 17:17:33 <jasta> getting his ppp user/pass from sprint fixed it
Jul 29 17:17:52 <jasta> i'm strongly considering buying one with service and just cancelling the contract after :)
Jul 29 17:17:56 <jasta> within the 30 days
Jul 29 17:18:03 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i'm copying over my new data image
Jul 29 17:18:19 <michaelnovakjr> don't have a windows computer handy so its via bluetooth from my ubuntu box
Jul 29 17:21:47 <jasta> i use vmware for that :)
Jul 29 17:23:45 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i probably should put vmware on this machine
Jul 29 17:25:26 <AttractiveApe> michaelnovakjr, yeeech, get a microsd usb card reader.
Jul 29 17:25:47 <AttractiveApe> jasta: that seems hackish, just wait awhile longer.
Jul 29 17:26:14 <AttractiveApe> Anyways, off to the datacenter for a bit, ttyl.
Jul 29 17:26:26 <jasta> hackish?
Jul 29 17:26:37 <jasta> i already have a phone, im just trying to get temporary service activated on it to play ;)
Jul 29 17:26:42 <jasta> it will only cost like $30.
Jul 29 17:26:48 <jasta> for a month of service :)
Jul 29 17:27:37 <jasta> are you guys still using the kernel i gave you?
Jul 29 17:27:45 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 29 17:27:56 <jasta> k, good ;0
Jul 29 17:58:39 <yakischloba> I'm stumped on my problem :(
Jul 29 17:59:32 <michaelnovakjr> what problem?
Jul 29 18:00:01 <yakischloba> http://pastebin.org/58216
Jul 29 18:00:16 <yakischloba> its a fresh ubuntu install and i'm just importing my eclipse project
Jul 29 18:00:18 <yakischloba> thats what happens
Jul 29 18:01:12 <michaelnovakjr> are you trying to import the project with class files in the directory?
Jul 29 18:01:22 <michaelnovakjr> sorry, be right back
Jul 29 18:03:17 <yakischloba> michaelnovakjr: no they aren't in the directory that i'm importing.
Jul 29 18:04:48 <yakischloba> michaelnovakjr: all thats in the directory is AndroidManifest.xml, res/, src/, .classpath, .project, and .settings/ (I assumed I would need those eclipse files to have it import correctly?)
Jul 29 18:05:54 <jasta> yawn
Jul 29 18:06:38 <jasta> yakischloba: can you tar up the project and we can try to import it?
Jul 29 18:06:41 <jasta> i can't interpret this output
Jul 29 18:08:28 <jasta> it looks like you have included the binary output of the build from a different compiler.
Jul 29 18:08:52 <jasta> a compiler that produces class files which your version of eclipse does not understand.
Jul 29 18:09:00 <jasta> that sad, you should clean all the binaries first, leaving only source.
Jul 29 18:10:29 <yakischloba> How? I'm not bringing in the bin/ folder
Jul 29 18:10:33 <yakischloba> it doesn't exist
Jul 29 18:10:51 <yakischloba> Does it need to?
Jul 29 18:10:57 <jasta> no
Jul 29 18:11:05 <jasta> reading this output, it is complaining only about an inability to parse class files
Jul 29 18:11:17 <jasta> so why would the import process try to parse a file that you claim doesn't exist? :)
Jul 29 18:11:26 <yakischloba> because its creating them?
Jul 29 18:11:40 <jasta> perhaps, but then why would it compile a class file it can't parse?
Jul 29 18:11:48 <jasta> if you can, just tarbal up this project and i will take a look
Jul 29 18:11:58 <yakischloba> because its compiling it incorrectly and/or with the wrong compiler?
Jul 29 18:14:32 * AttractiveApe is back.
Jul 29 18:37:52 <michaelnovakjr> yakischloba: how did you setup java on ubuntu?
Jul 29 18:38:34 <f00f-> yakischloba: dont use gcj
Jul 29 18:38:39 <f00f-> use sun jdk/jre
Jul 29 18:39:05 <f00f-> open source rarely works well.
Jul 29 18:39:17 <jasta> i think i got him working
Jul 29 18:39:17 <michaelnovakjr> ye
Jul 29 18:39:18 <michaelnovakjr> a
Jul 29 18:39:21 <michaelnovakjr> gcj blows
Jul 29 18:39:28 <jasta> open source rarely works well?
Jul 29 18:39:45 <michaelnovakjr> i don't agree with that statement.... but gcj doesn't work well with android :0
Jul 29 18:39:45 <f00f-> yes, open your eyes :)
Jul 29 18:39:55 <yakischloba> heh
Jul 29 18:40:02 <jasta> f00f-: what about Eclipse and Harmony?
Jul 29 18:40:19 <michaelnovakjr> or dare i say...... linux
Jul 29 18:40:24 <jasta> gcj doesn't work well because it's GNU being narrow-minded trying to wedge Java into the C paradigm.
Jul 29 18:40:46 <f00f-> linux, eclipse, work well. audacious, X windows, blow
Jul 29 18:41:00 <jasta> so what you're saying is sometimes software isn't designed well?
Jul 29 18:41:01 <f00f-> jasta: yeah i take it that's an issue
Jul 29 18:41:11 <f00f-> jasta: yes, more often than not, in the OSS world
Jul 29 18:41:16 <f00f-> just from my consumer experience
Jul 29 18:41:19 <jasta> and in "other" worlds?
Jul 29 18:41:28 <f00f-> 'paid software' world
Jul 29 18:41:32 <f00f-> proprietary in other words
Jul 29 18:41:37 <jasta> right, and in those worlds?
Jul 29 18:41:41 <jasta> software is usually designed well?
Jul 29 18:41:43 <michaelnovakjr> uh, i can think of plenty paid software products that absolutely suck
Jul 29 18:42:03 <f00f-> me too, but i dont pay for a lot of them
Jul 29 18:42:06 <f00f-> perhaps i am slightly biased
Jul 29 18:42:18 <michaelnovakjr> jasta, where are your five apk's?
Jul 29 18:42:22 <jasta> again, so what you're really trying to say is "sometimes software isn't designed well."
Jul 29 18:42:29 <jasta> no qualifying statement about open source whatsoever.
Jul 29 18:42:37 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: waiting for your compiler to build :)
Jul 29 18:42:54 <michaelnovakjr> :) i thought they were online somewhere?
Jul 29 18:43:01 <jasta> no, i never bothered to post them :)
Jul 29 18:43:08 <f00f-> deep down inside you know what i say is true, perhaps not as eloquent as you may put it :)
Jul 29 18:43:09 <jasta> you got them from AttractiveApe via e-mail, i imagine.
Jul 29 18:43:30 <jasta> f00f-: No, actually I think you just opened your mouth without thinking.
Jul 29 18:44:05 <f00f-> i dont know, i usually am more frustrated using OSS vs proprietary stuff
Jul 29 18:44:26 <AttractiveApe> iirc, I posted them in a temp place on my site michaelnovakjr
Jul 29 18:44:44 <jasta> f00f-: Just shut up if you don't want to actually argue this intelligently.
Jul 29 18:45:09 <f00f-> lol, it's my observation, nothing to argue :)
Jul 29 18:47:18 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: the build environment for five is pretty darn simple, though :)
Jul 29 18:47:29 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i am already building it :)
Jul 29 18:47:32 <jasta> michaelnovakjr: the server side isn't, but client-side it's basically just apt-get install maven and mvn package
Jul 29 18:48:15 <jasta> oh, looking at my INSTALL document there's a smidgen more ;P
Jul 29 18:48:25 <jasta> i should probably post the apks, though.
Jul 29 18:48:33 <AttractiveApe> You should.
Jul 29 18:48:41 <AttractiveApe> Does five work on the Vogue yet, jasta?
Jul 29 18:48:51 <jasta> i will tonight then :)
Jul 29 18:49:25 <jasta> AttractiveApe: No, I just need to get a permanent device myself.
Jul 29 18:49:37 <jasta> I'm really thinking about abusing the 30 day guarantee
Jul 29 18:51:35 <jasta> I do have some thoughts as to what might be the problem though.
Jul 29 18:51:41 <jasta> If I get my own device, I can test that theory out.
Jul 29 18:51:46 <AttractiveApe> And at the end of of the 30 days jasta, you're going to feel pretty crappy. :P
Jul 29 18:52:02 <jasta> I would like to get a clean log of five actually opening, then crashing, though.
Jul 29 18:52:09 <jasta> AttractiveApe: why?
Jul 29 18:52:28 <AttractiveApe> Because the android phones still won't be out :)
Jul 29 18:52:36 <jasta> oh, i'm just gonna keep doing that ;)
Jul 29 18:52:41 <jasta> for as long as i am still curious to play with it hehe
Jul 29 18:52:50 <jasta> i am enjoying the tinkering, honestly
Jul 29 18:53:04 <michaelnovakjr> same here
Jul 29 19:10:20 <jasta_> lol, on my phone again.
Jul 29 19:10:54 <jasta_> i wish there was a good ssh client for windows mobile.  sigh, i guess ill just have to wait for android hehe...
Jul 29 19:13:19 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 29 19:16:32 <yakischloba> Wow, finally got it working.
Jul 29 19:16:43 <yakischloba> that was quite a mission
Jul 29 19:17:42 <yakischloba> I think the final piece was commenting out the gjc line in /etc/eclipse/java_home
Jul 29 19:18:46 <yakischloba> jasta: thanks for your help
Jul 29 19:19:18 <jasta_> no prob
Jul 29 19:20:17 <jasta_> ircing while waiting for my thai food is fun :)
Jul 29 19:20:26 <jasta_> too bad this client basically sucks
Jul 29 19:20:52 <michaelnovakjr> :) jasta which client do you use?
Jul 29 19:20:54 <yakischloba> Where are you getting thai?
Jul 29 19:22:14 <jasta_> this place on 6th.  thai delight i think its called
Jul 29 19:22:35 <yakischloba> in chinatown or down by your work?
Jul 29 19:22:43 <jasta_> they are one of those joints that has like 3 good meals, everything else is mediocre
Jul 29 19:22:48 <jasta_> by my work
Jul 29 19:22:55 <yakischloba> hmm. i've never been there.
Jul 29 19:23:18 <jasta_> do you ever come down here?  south seattle sucks.
Jul 29 19:23:36 <yakischloba> well remember I work right next to you ;)
Jul 29 19:23:39 <jasta_> i dont like working here.  i wish i was downtown or north.
Jul 29 19:23:50 <jasta_> you work 2 miles north :)
Jul 29 19:24:01 <yakischloba> hardly a difference haha
Jul 29 19:24:06 <jasta_> heh i type fast on my mobile
Jul 29 19:24:12 <yakischloba> industrial wasteland
Jul 29 19:24:16 <jasta_> yeah
Jul 29 19:24:46 <yakischloba> my favorite for azn food is HoHo's in chinatown. $4.75 lunch specials, delicious
Jul 29 19:24:49 <jasta_> and then if you go far enough theres tukwila ::shudder::
Jul 29 19:24:58 <jasta_> azn?
Jul 29 19:25:11 <yakischloba> heh. Thats where my prospective new job is at (yeah gross)
Jul 29 19:25:33 <jasta_> what?
Jul 29 19:25:40 <yakischloba> tukwila
Jul 29 19:25:50 <jasta_> oh, lame.
Jul 29 19:26:01 <yakischloba> s/azn/asian (its actually chinese)
Jul 29 19:26:04 <jasta_> foods here, later
Jul 29 19:27:38 <jasta_> chinese is gross :)
Jul 29 19:28:01 <jasta_> its like meat and veggies in salty gravy.
Jul 29 19:28:11 <yakischloba> I usually like chinese, depending on where I go.
Jul 29 19:28:17 <yakischloba> thai is better for sure though
Jul 29 19:28:35 <jasta_> is there anywhere to get decent/good chinese delivery?
Jul 29 19:28:42 <jasta_> thats so weird about this city...
Jul 29 19:28:56 <yakischloba> hmm not sure I've never done delivery
Jul 29 19:29:27 <jasta_> try to find some.  its impossible
Jul 29 19:29:50 <jasta_> tons of thai.  no good chinese.
Jul 29 19:30:34 <jasta_> man, this places yellow curry is awesome
Jul 29 19:35:28 <yakischloba> making me hungry
Jul 29 19:35:40 <jasta_> hehe
Jul 29 19:35:48 <michaelnovakjr> hey AttractiveApe what version of haret are you using?
Jul 29 19:36:08 <jasta_> the one published on martin's page surely
Jul 29 19:36:13 <jasta_> thats what i used
Jul 29 19:36:25 <michaelnovakjr> is the one zipped up the same as the 0.5.1?
Jul 29 19:36:51 <jasta_> i dont know, check his page and md5sum it :)
Jul 29 19:37:03 <jasta_> its linked from and-random
Jul 29 19:37:50 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i'll check... i was just curious
Jul 29 19:58:42 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe: still around?
Jul 29 20:35:12 <AttractiveApe> michaelnovakjr: went for lunch
Jul 29 20:35:35 <AttractiveApe> ummm, what one included in his zip file, I think.
Jul 29 20:35:42 <AttractiveApe> Is there a newer version available?
Jul 29 20:36:08 <michaelnovakjr> not sure
Jul 29 20:36:18 <michaelnovakjr> i have to update everything later.
Jul 29 20:36:31 <michaelnovakjr> i am using the new data.img but not the new anything else
Jul 29 20:36:42 <michaelnovakjr> i am posting now on android-random 0.0.1 of Glance
Jul 29 20:38:34 <michaelnovakjr> jasta around?
Jul 29 20:38:37 <jasta> yup
Jul 29 20:39:09 <michaelnovakjr> i can't modify the project home page.... could you add the bit about Glance?
Jul 29 20:41:34 <jasta> i'll link it to the Glance wiki page.
Jul 29 20:42:54 <michaelnovakjr> ok
Jul 29 20:43:30 <jasta> done.
Jul 29 20:43:36 <michaelnovakjr> thanks
Jul 29 20:45:11 <michaelnovakjr> AttractiveApe: are you running the latest update?
Jul 29 20:45:23 <michaelnovakjr> apparently sms works better....
Jul 29 20:47:25 <AttractiveApe> Not yet.
Jul 29 20:47:31 <AttractiveApe> Haven't had the time to look at it yet :)
Jul 29 20:48:44 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i'm going to try it out tonight
Jul 29 20:48:57 <michaelnovakjr> i am putting the finishing touches on a threaded sms app
Jul 29 20:52:32 <AttractiveApe> Oh nic
Jul 29 20:52:36 <AttractiveApe> nice*
Jul 29 20:52:55 <AttractiveApe> Hoping to replace the one they're going to ship with Android by default already? :0
Jul 29 20:53:15 <michaelnovakjr> :) making it a bit easier to mess around with apps and receive text messages
Jul 29 20:53:21 <michaelnovakjr> currently it gets all messy
Jul 29 20:53:58 <michaelnovakjr> i always seem to get more text messages when i am busy testing an app on android
Jul 29 20:54:28 <AttractiveApe> yeah
Jul 29 20:55:25 <f00f-> michaelnovakjr: you should have entered it into the ADC like i sugested :)
Jul 29 20:55:36 <f00f-> got any screens?
Jul 29 20:55:43 <michaelnovakjr> of the threaded sms app?
Jul 29 20:56:09 <f00f-> yes
Jul 29 20:56:26 <michaelnovakjr> not at the moment....i'll be putting screenshots up tonight along with the apk
Jul 29 20:56:49 <f00f-> aight
Jul 29 20:58:08 <AttractiveApe> When is the next ADC round?
Jul 29 20:58:24 <jasta_> not established yet.
Jul 29 20:58:27 <michaelnovakjr> i'll post the link when its up, i am going to update the Glance screenshots too.... i updated the icon for apks
Jul 29 20:58:38 <jasta_> not for some time though i'm sure
Jul 29 22:22:58 <Dougie187> good evening everyone
Jul 29 22:23:48 <yakischloba> good afternoon Dougie187
Jul 29 22:24:09 <Dougie187> hows it going?
Jul 29 22:24:19 <yakischloba> good how about you
Jul 29 22:24:26 <jasta> sup
Jul 29 22:24:30 <Dougie187> pretty good.
Jul 29 22:27:33 <yakischloba> i decided to take one day off of work every week to work on android and other programming stuff
Jul 29 22:27:36 <yakischloba> im pretty stoked
Jul 29 22:27:42 <Dougie187> heh
Jul 29 22:27:45 <Dougie187> sounds pretty cool
Jul 30 00:02:45 <michaelnovakjr_> howdy
Jul 30 00:03:26 <yakischloba> hi
Jul 30 00:03:46 <michaelnovakjr_> so writing android software huh?
Jul 30 00:04:00 <yakischloba> haha. you could hardly call it that yet
Jul 30 00:04:21 <yakischloba> i'm just piecing shit together and learning as I go.
Jul 30 00:04:24 <michaelnovakjr_> :)
Jul 30 00:04:30 <yakischloba> (really sloppy.)
Jul 30 00:04:50 <michaelnovakjr_> open source stuff?
Jul 30 00:05:24 <yakischloba> Sure. I figured why not, as soon as my code is not so embarrassing that I can present it :)
Jul 30 00:05:52 <michaelnovakjr_> :)
Jul 30 00:06:58 <yakischloba> the idea of someone stealing my stuff is silly. I can see why people worry about their code getting heisted when they write some supergenius algorithm or something but...what is anyone going to do with an application like mine?
Jul 30 00:07:23 <yakischloba> i'm happy to share
Jul 30 00:07:23 <michaelnovakjr_> anything i write for android myself will be open source
Jul 30 00:07:42 <michaelnovakjr_> i've already got two really simple apps at http://android-random.googlecode.com
Jul 30 00:08:16 <yakischloba> cool
Jul 30 00:12:15 <gambler> what are you using to pitch the packets out - vanilla sockets?
Jul 30 00:12:24 <gambler> for remote logcat
Jul 30 00:12:36 <michaelnovakjr_> i open a socket stream and write to it
Jul 30 00:12:40 <michaelnovakjr_> very very simple
Jul 30 00:12:43 <michaelnovakjr_> does the trick
Jul 30 00:12:57 <michaelnovakjr_> on the remote machine it looks exactly like adb logcat
Jul 30 01:29:11 <michaelnovakjr_> so nice to have new sms usage :)
Jul 30 01:48:56 <Dougie187> newegg has 1 gig micro sd with mini sd and sd adapters for 4 dollars.
Jul 30 01:48:58 <Dougie187> well.. 3.99
Jul 30 01:48:59 <Dougie187> but still
Jul 30 01:49:05 <Dougie187> and a 2 gig for 8.19
Jul 30 01:49:26 <michaelnovakjr_> nice
Jul 30 02:13:38 <michaelnovakjr_> hey jasta
Jul 30 02:17:09 <jasta_> hey, im at dinner :)
Jul 30 02:17:43 <michaelnovakjr_> nice :)
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