**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 01 02:59:56 2008 Aug 01 03:54:20 jasta: I don't drive, so listening to my traffic avoidance advice is a bad idea :) Aug 01 03:54:43 hehe Aug 01 04:08:21 hello romain Aug 01 04:08:37 oi Aug 01 04:19:33 the quality of my android code has improved significantly as a result of all these stupid mini-apps ive been building lately :) Aug 01 04:20:36 jasta: =D , my tip calculator after learning all the cool effects looked a lot more native. Aug 01 04:20:42 however nothing compared to your code ;P Aug 01 04:21:17 tip calculator :) Aug 01 04:21:22 i have a new pattern when i'm using Handler for robust message passing. Aug 01 04:21:43 yakischloba_: Took 40 minutes to write and was fun :) Aug 01 04:21:45 tip calculation is so easy :) Aug 01 04:21:50 yeah I know :D Aug 01 04:22:07 I can't come up with any good project ideas that are managable Aug 01 04:22:18 My game is coming along though, so I should be back on android in 2 weeks tops Aug 01 04:22:22 sayers: remove the 3 last words and then try anyway. Aug 01 04:22:49 jasta: thats what I did :) Aug 01 04:23:03 jasta: I know how that works :) Aug 01 04:23:03 by the way, i also had to learn Java for Android development. i would reasonably expect quite a few others are in that boat as well. Aug 01 04:23:33 jasta: I've read through a bit of Mythical man month, two weeks is realistic Aug 01 04:23:58 i've got the movement, and floor and buildings down, I just have to add scoring and make it have colors Aug 01 04:24:23 I really think two weeks is 4 times the amount of time needed :-) Aug 01 04:24:37 but * 4 gives you something realistic Aug 01 04:25:14 if you get bored, i've always wanted a good Solitaire suite on my phone :) Aug 01 04:25:19 Anyone good night android-developers Aug 01 04:25:22 with Freecell at least. Aug 01 04:25:27 lol Aug 01 04:25:31 jasta: I don't like 2d games with logic :p Aug 01 04:25:35 and a clean UI for touch screens. Aug 01 04:26:13 jasta: quick run down on the game I'm making : "You are a sphere who rolls around, knocks down buildings and collects coins on top of said buildings to get points" Aug 01 04:26:42 but night all Aug 01 04:27:52 katamari damacy? Aug 01 04:27:53 ;) Aug 01 04:28:07 a katamari damacy game for android would be great, actually ;) Aug 01 05:37:59 yawn Aug 01 06:27:02 hmm Aug 01 06:27:12 ? Aug 01 06:28:44 just kinda sleepy Aug 01 06:28:50 bought some new speakers online Aug 01 06:30:34 i'm enjoying my new monitor Aug 01 06:53:51 Good, I suppose :) Aug 01 06:54:39 * jasta grooves to a new Airborne Toxic Event song Aug 01 06:55:07 basically i love them. i'm so excited for their album release Aug 01 07:00:14 o/~ We'd scratch and turn and say let's burn these sheets down to the seams...like gasoline o/~ Aug 01 07:00:44 Tuesday, even. It's coming up fast :) Aug 01 07:01:08 It will quite probably be the best debut album ever. Better even than The Cinematics - Strange Education Aug 01 09:04:38 moin Aug 01 09:09:25 niom Aug 01 09:11:50 sup umdk Aug 01 09:11:51 how goes it Aug 01 09:27:29 hi Aug 01 09:44:31 hey wheres muthu Aug 01 09:48:23 no clue Aug 01 09:53:14 Someone here ? Aug 01 09:53:40 What is the easiest way to come from the InpuStream to a JSON object Aug 01 09:53:51 I know that the InputStream is a JSON object Aug 01 09:56:13 you mean from inputstream to a java object? Aug 01 09:58:17 yeah right. Aug 01 09:58:25 From the InputStream to the JSONObject Aug 01 09:59:28 the entity looks like the following in the response: http://img.skitch.com/20080801-bnskk7fuyawam3hsijwukt6t6p.jpg Aug 01 10:00:39 are you trying to get out a java object of a JSONObject? Because a JSON object AFAIK is just a string of text. Aug 01 10:00:47 s/of a/or a Aug 01 10:01:29 ah well no. I've done a HTTP Post to a server and got a response with the JSON object included Aug 01 10:02:04 Now I've done the following Aug 01 10:02:33 The JSONObject class in android has a parser to turn it into a non java object collection of name value pairs ..Is that what you want? Aug 01 10:02:43 Its in the JSONObject constructor Aug 01 10:03:24 hmm I just want to get the JSON part out of the HTTP Response. Aug 01 10:03:58 and turned into the JSONObject Aug 01 10:04:15 to be able to parse the content inside the JSON object Aug 01 10:05:07 from my point of view I have to convert the content of the InputStream to a String Aug 01 10:05:25 and then create a JSONObject with the (String ..) constructor Aug 01 10:05:32 yep? Aug 01 10:06:52 it sounds like you've figured it out Aug 01 10:06:54 from my point of view I have to convert the content of the InputStream to a String <- and thats my problem. I remembered sth like a Stream Reader. Aug 01 10:07:25 well I'm looking around a bit cant be that difficult :> Aug 01 10:07:40 I'm coming back if I'm too stupid to get it working :) Aug 01 10:08:11 ive used simplejson in android Aug 01 10:08:32 JSONValue.parse() iirc and feed in a string Aug 01 10:09:24 oh yea just read everything off the socket into a string Aug 01 10:09:36 theres plenty of code like that floating around Aug 01 10:10:01 yeah I#m searching :) Aug 01 10:10:03 might be easier to just use a byte[] buffer instead of wrapping in a new BufferedReader object Aug 01 10:10:13 lemme pastebin some code brb Aug 01 10:11:26 oh wait lol i havent written that yet Aug 01 10:12:10 :) Aug 01 10:12:22 thank you very much. Aug 01 10:23:11 well I've done it :) Aug 01 10:23:17 and it works quite nice Aug 01 10:59:10 im starting an activity from a service using startActivity(Intent); using an intent with extra data added. the activity is started, but is there any way to access the extra data? Aug 01 10:59:39 access the extra data during or after activity startup Aug 01 11:15:07 accessing the data inside the started Activity ? Aug 01 11:15:17 exactly Aug 01 11:15:42 Just do Bundle extras = getIntent().getExtras(); Aug 01 11:16:14 after that you have the data added inside the bundle Aug 01 11:16:24 ah, thanks, i was missing the getIntent(9 ;) Aug 01 11:16:32 :) np Aug 01 11:55:45 Hey - I'm having issues with an AIDL definition with the Eclipse plugin Aug 01 11:56:01 The java class isn't being autogenerated Aug 01 11:56:38 I must be missing something - what else is there to do, apart from creating the .aidl file in my source folder? Aug 01 12:04:36 meredydd: are you using only primitive and string/map or your other classes aswell? Aug 01 12:05:39 tric: I managed to find and run 'aidl' myself - I'd missed an 'in' declaration. Aug 01 12:06:04 For some reason, the error wasn't showing in the GUI, but when I fixed it everything Just Worked(tm) Aug 01 12:06:13 yeah, the plugin is missing to print errors somewhere Aug 01 12:06:27 same with emu startup. Aug 01 12:30:12 whats the easiest method to get the actual date ? Aug 01 12:32:38 Calendar.getInstance() Aug 01 12:33:12 thanks Aug 01 12:55:31 hello Aug 01 12:56:27 any body here :) ? Aug 01 13:01:41 yeah Aug 01 13:04:31 I have problem with drawable defined by xml - files Aug 01 13:04:34 file* Aug 01 13:04:44 wait a moment Aug 01 13:05:42 http://rafb.net/p/I7Ewp424.html Aug 01 13:05:51 this is a xml file Aug 01 13:06:19 i use this drawable ( layer-lis ) as a selector in list view Aug 01 13:06:53 but tags : android:width android:height doesn't work Aug 01 13:07:49 item "side_arrow01" is stretched to bottom and right edges of parent view Aug 01 13:08:16 hmm sorry I cant help you in that case Aug 01 15:10:46 Could someone tell me sth about the DateFormat class ? Aug 01 15:10:59 I want to achieve the following format: Aug 01 15:11:15 2007-12-01 14:50:02 Aug 01 15:11:22 so then achieve it. Aug 01 15:11:31 :) Aug 01 15:11:45 there's a pattern you can pass Aug 01 15:11:57 yyyy-MM-dd h:.... Aug 01 15:12:06 jasta: don't be a douche Aug 01 15:12:14 then call format method Aug 01 15:12:18 :) Aug 01 15:12:20 I know that Aug 01 15:12:42 but Aug 01 15:12:46 what does that mean: Aug 01 15:12:47 m -> 7 Aug 01 15:12:47 mm -> 07 Aug 01 15:12:47 mmm -> 007 Aug 01 15:12:47 mmmm -> 0007 Aug 01 15:13:43 anno^da_: It refers to padding the string with zeroes. Aug 01 15:14:49 SanMehat: Don't question my methods. :) Aug 01 15:15:04 Don't make me go over there :) Aug 01 15:15:24 anno^da_: Read the javadoc for SimpleDateFormat. If you still can't figure it out, read it again. Aug 01 15:16:03 I will do. SanMehat I can understand jasta :) Aug 01 15:16:15 SanMehat: Too much hand-holding in the Java community. I'm happy to employ a #C-style pedagogical approach :) Aug 01 15:16:57 :-D Aug 01 15:17:10 i can dig that Aug 01 15:20:08 anno^da_: FWIW, The SimpleDateFormat patterns are ambiguous and poorly designed. Aug 01 15:21:28 strftime, for example, is quite a bit better :\ Aug 01 15:23:59 SimpleDateFormat is relatively easy to work with Aug 01 15:24:12 is anyone using a publish/subscribe type pattern/msging system? Aug 01 15:24:14 the patterns are easy too Aug 01 15:31:31 gambler: can you be more specific? Aug 01 15:32:56 jasta, for network comms. alot of libs out there, hard to know whats good. Aug 01 15:33:29 I'm not familiar with what you mean I guess. Aug 01 15:34:04 its like an Instant messaging system, but a bus instead of a 2 way communication Aug 01 15:34:13 you publish info to the bus Aug 01 15:34:23 subscribers listen to the content they are interested in Aug 01 15:34:45 as a form of IPC? Or for communicating with external devices? Aug 01 15:36:02 RPC / external comms... its a semi r&d topic Aug 01 15:36:20 how to use it for RPC would be interesting Aug 01 15:36:43 the easiest way to think about it is writing an msn client Aug 01 15:36:59 then realising what PITA it is to make it a party line Aug 01 15:39:32 meh the whole concept of RPC / network comms on android is an open questio to me Aug 01 15:39:42 how so? Aug 01 15:40:16 well i like really lean binary protocols like zeroC ice Aug 01 15:40:23 which is what im doing stuff with now Aug 01 15:40:32 but afaik there is nothing like that in android Aug 01 15:41:02 The only implied layer that Android provides is GTalk, which is said to be undergoing a major optimization. Aug 01 15:41:22 Other than that, what in particular about Android enforces an application-layer protocol? Aug 01 15:41:46 I'm sure HTTP will be a popular way to do things, possibly even with SOAP, but Android isn't responsible for those decisions. Aug 01 15:42:01 right... im just talking to the future... Aug 01 15:42:20 I doubt very much that Google will provide some sort of new general-purpose application-layer protocol to use on Android. Aug 01 15:42:29 Except of course, GTalk. Aug 01 15:42:31 if I use Ice now and then new Gtalk is all good well... Aug 01 15:42:42 rite Aug 01 15:43:03 i like gtalk Aug 01 15:43:17 My application uses a combination of SyncML (encoded as WbXML) and RESTful HTTP requests Aug 01 15:43:33 google will certainly have nice gtalk integration in android...... i hope :) Aug 01 15:44:35 Google also recently released/announced Protocol Buffers, which may make an appearance in Android. Aug 01 15:44:44 exactly Aug 01 15:44:53 thats what im using ...protobuf on ice Aug 01 15:45:03 I'm getting mad with the DateFormat. Using String formatString = "yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss"; results in 2008-08-01 which is ok, but the time: HH:44:31 but it should be 17 instead of HH :). I found that in the java docs and capital H should trigger the 24h hours time Aug 01 15:45:07 i have a feeling network communications will see a significant upgrade in the next SDK Aug 01 15:45:09 and they are very nice Aug 01 15:45:53 anno^da_: Do you mean SimpleDateFormat or...? Aug 01 15:47:12 oh my god forget it :( Aug 01 15:47:35 SimpleDateFormat is what you should use anno^da_ Aug 01 15:47:35 I've used the DateFormat the whole time :) Aug 01 15:47:37 yeah Aug 01 15:47:38 :P Aug 01 15:47:44 I told you earlier to use SimpleDateFormat. Aug 01 15:47:45 slap me :) Aug 01 15:47:57 Yeah I read in the SimpleDateFormat docs Aug 01 15:48:02 SimpleDateFormat dateFormat = new SimpleDateFormat( "yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss" ); Aug 01 15:48:03 but used the DateFormat in code :) Aug 01 16:08:26 But thank you guys again everything is working now and the fun level is rising :) . Aug 01 16:21:56 :) Aug 01 16:32:34 hi Aug 01 16:33:06 hi chab7 Aug 01 18:07:38 morning romain Aug 01 18:08:03 oi Aug 01 19:10:46 sup jasta Aug 01 19:36:55 michaelnovakjr: sup Aug 01 19:37:01 michaelnovakjr: started fiddling with some of your code :) Aug 01 19:37:07 oh yea? which one? Aug 01 19:37:08 got me all excited to go buy a device on monday Aug 01 19:38:05 which code jasta? Aug 01 19:44:04 all the android-random stuffs Aug 01 19:44:04 pretty significant code base now :) Aug 01 19:44:42 michaelnovakjr: Btw, I posted my simple HttpClient example to devtcg.org if you're curious. I implemented it in HttpDownloader recently as well. Aug 01 19:44:56 ah cool Aug 01 19:44:58 i think it's a good general strategy we should use for this type of I/O in our projects. Aug 01 19:45:09 i'll definitely check that out Aug 01 19:45:25 the Messages apk is still quite a work in progress Aug 01 19:45:36 I have a lot of UI work I want to do still Aug 01 19:45:50 but functionally you can send and receive text messages in a pretty decent way Aug 01 19:56:23 * jasta would love to meet hackbod sometime Aug 01 19:56:46 she seems like a fascinating enigma Aug 01 19:56:55 why an enigma? Aug 01 19:58:00 Well, for the obvious reasons projecting my own inherent sexism ;) Aug 01 19:58:22 nice. Aug 01 19:58:51 there used to be a girl that came in here, and said she was a guy so people wouldn't treat her different ;0 Aug 01 19:58:55 really weird Aug 01 19:59:26 My experiences have not constructed a flattering view of women in engineering, that's all. I'd like the opportunity to meet some counter-examples. Aug 01 20:00:04 Also, systems-level engineering is interesting to me, and so I welcome the opporutnity to converse with anyone working in that area. Aug 01 20:00:39 But the enigmatic nature is, unfortunately, her gender. Aug 01 20:01:33 However, with a name like Hackborn I don't see how you could avoid systems-level work :) Aug 01 20:01:45 :0 Aug 01 20:05:23 I feel like Romain is judging me Aug 01 20:05:25 :) Aug 01 20:05:35 jasta, taken a look at the messages app? Aug 01 20:05:43 I haven't fired it up. Aug 01 20:06:03 its crude looking..... but functions nicely Aug 01 20:06:09 I will though. Aug 01 20:06:10 still working on the UI Aug 01 20:06:20 i like the autocomplete :) Aug 01 20:06:23 I am gonna buy the Vogue on Monday ;) Aug 01 20:06:26 nice Aug 01 20:06:35 autocomplete is really a nice feature Aug 01 20:07:15 I am surprised by the lack of available software to install onto the device. Aug 01 20:07:25 Lots of ADC participants seem not to have published their software. Aug 01 20:07:38 yea Aug 01 20:08:04 not even simple games really Aug 01 20:08:11 There are some, but not many. Aug 01 20:08:14 build it up! Aug 01 20:08:21 jasta, my next is a game Aug 01 20:08:35 I've been tossing around the idea of restarting Five development, tearing out and redesigning certain pieces that I know will need it. Aug 01 20:08:43 Nothing that will be affected by the next SDK, though. Aug 01 20:09:01 just stuff like the basic playlist service API I created. And also the cache API needs to be inverted. Aug 01 20:09:21 And logic to make the cache work right needs to be implemented. Stuff like that ;) Aug 01 20:09:35 good stuff, i am looking forward to that app Aug 01 20:10:39 http://code.google.com/p/android-tabletop/ -- that might be fun to load Aug 01 20:10:41 jasta: no I'm not judging Aug 01 20:10:42 i remember talking with the guy who wrote it Aug 01 20:11:17 yea, i like chess Aug 01 20:11:42 that's basically the only game i could find that might actually work Aug 01 20:12:03 oh and the description says it might not be playable Aug 01 20:12:04 dang ;) Aug 01 20:12:19 i'll be writing a few logic games most likely Aug 01 20:12:29 just want to finish up the Messaging apk Aug 01 20:12:37 10 months and there's no solitaire game? lame. Aug 01 20:12:54 because solitaire is boring :p Aug 01 20:13:00 Freecell solitaire is great. Aug 01 20:13:07 Klondike is boring, yeah Aug 01 20:13:12 but there are lots of solitaire games. Aug 01 20:13:13 I would like to see a port of all the Q? Entertainment games on Android Aug 01 20:13:30 jasta: that board game is just a board...don't think there's an engine or ai behind it or anything Aug 01 20:13:45 yeah probably not. Aug 01 20:13:59 I think there's gotta be some kind of addicting MMO concept out there... Aug 01 20:14:06 romainguy__: I would also love a Bomber clone :) Aug 01 20:14:37 zhobbs_: Trivia would be fun. To be able to play against people in your city and have regionalized high scores and stuff. Aug 01 20:14:48 Real-time playback, so you could identify the users who answer correctly/wrong etc. Aug 01 20:14:53 Like the in-flight game on Delta Aug 01 20:15:12 That was far more addictive than I initially thought it would be. Aug 01 20:15:45 that's an interesting concept Aug 01 20:17:48 I'm thinking there's probably a concept for an always on call type of game...something like the sims, where you might get a vibration at a random time to do something Aug 01 20:18:18 i don't know if that would catch my attention Aug 01 20:18:27 me either Aug 01 20:18:28 i have a short lived desire to play games Aug 01 20:18:41 its one of those things you have to be interested in Aug 01 20:18:48 yeah Aug 01 20:19:04 Most people don't want their phone alerting them to random nonsense. Aug 01 20:19:12 I learned a long time ago to stay away from MMORPG's Aug 01 20:19:24 jasta: 14 year olds love that shit Aug 01 20:19:28 Lately I've been thinking a lot about how I actually use my smartphone. Aug 01 20:19:37 Paying very close attention to my habits, how I treat applications, etc. Aug 01 20:19:42 me too Aug 01 20:19:45 very close attention Aug 01 20:19:51 I've never had a smart phone Aug 01 20:20:00 One thing I've noticed about myself is that I often like to sort of multi-task my phone. So, I will open some link in Opera and while it loads I'll go read some news. Aug 01 20:20:00 really? Aug 01 20:20:00 you should get one Aug 01 20:20:23 michaelnovakjr: I will Aug 01 20:20:31 zhobbs_: it'll certainly improve your application designs Aug 01 20:20:36 you'll see them differently Aug 01 20:21:12 it took me a little bit to get used to the fact its a small phone and not a desktop computer Aug 01 20:22:00 I've used an iphone for a short perios Aug 01 20:22:03 period Aug 01 20:28:46 sorry, got pulled away from my desk before i finished my thought Aug 01 20:29:08 Anyway what I meant was that I learned it's important to design your app assuming the user leaves *frequently* Aug 01 20:29:16 and expects to have some task they started finished when they get back to it Aug 01 20:29:28 assume that there is no linear flow invovling your program ever. Aug 01 20:30:09 it helps you answer questions like "what to do with onStop()/onPause()? When does it make sense ot implement a task as a service?". Aug 01 20:30:22 yea Aug 01 20:34:46 a lot of times i found tempted to treat onStop as a directive to stop doing work Aug 01 20:34:53 obviously that's onDestroy() :) Aug 01 20:35:17 and i implemented things like a ProgressDialog for file downloads that would cancel when the user navigated away. Aug 01 20:35:21 That's definitely wrong. Aug 01 20:35:40 in fact, even a progressdialog in general may not make sense if there is something else in the app they could be doing Aug 01 20:48:57 jasta: Anyway what I meant was that I learned it's important to design your app assuming the user leaves *frequently << that's what makes iPhone annoying to use: switching between apps Aug 01 20:52:49 romainguy i think the iPhone will shift gears Aug 01 20:53:02 they have to Aug 01 20:53:19 I barely use 3rd party apps on my iPhone because it's too annoying to switch from one app to the other Aug 01 20:53:26 especially when you leave a game Aug 01 20:54:51 ooo Android developer using an iPhone Aug 01 20:54:53 haha Aug 01 20:54:54 that surprises me. i've never used an iphone, but i would have figured they would not have made a mistake like that. Aug 01 20:55:07 jasta, its part of being too controlling Aug 01 20:55:10 even windows mobile generally works fine to multi-task Aug 01 20:55:15 except that some apps cancel your actions when you leave Aug 01 20:55:25 but what you really are saying is "do your work, i'll come back" Aug 01 20:55:25 true, but others keep state Aug 01 20:55:37 jasta: it's because an app cannot run in the background Aug 01 20:55:40 so apps are restarted every time Aug 01 20:55:42 yea Aug 01 20:55:51 when it leaves the screen the app is killed Aug 01 20:55:58 oh, stupid :) Aug 01 20:56:23 michaelnovakjr: I use Android devices whenever I can Aug 01 20:56:24 that's an interesting choice to make. no other smart phone platform is like that. Aug 01 20:56:29 but in public I use an iPhone Aug 01 20:56:34 romainguy it makes sense Aug 01 20:56:34 in fact, part of the main difference between smart phones and regular phones is that they multi-task. Aug 01 20:56:46 yea Aug 01 20:56:56 iPhone will definitely have to change that mentality i think Aug 01 20:57:35 something else that's annoying Aug 01 20:57:41 is when you get a notification sound Aug 01 20:57:47 you don't know if it's an email, an IM, etc. Aug 01 20:58:27 on windows mboile i just set different noises for those events Aug 01 20:59:01 don't you get an icon in the status bar? Aug 01 20:59:05 I don't remember Aug 01 20:59:12 it's been a long time since I had a WinMo device Aug 01 20:59:22 Same icon for MMS, SMS and email all on my winmo phone Aug 01 20:59:25 (and I hated it) Aug 01 20:59:37 romainguy: I hate it too. Aug 01 21:00:03 I'm always amazed by how slow Windows Mobile is at even drawing screens Aug 01 21:00:12 considering the CPU these devices sometimes have Aug 01 21:00:34 romainguy: Well, it's Windows 95 ;) Aug 01 21:00:44 Windows 95 is heavy even for a mobile phone. Aug 01 21:00:44 I was also amazed by some OS limitations :) Aug 01 21:00:54 in Windows Mobile 4 it was impossible to have more than 3 levels of folders Aug 01 21:03:17 one of my friends works on the Windows Mobile team. Aug 01 21:03:41 all my condolences :) Aug 01 21:03:51 that team is so clueless. they've just buried their head in the sand and refuse to listen to their customers. Aug 01 21:04:13 they'll have to change Aug 01 21:04:28 zhobbs_: I'd rather they don't ;) Aug 01 21:04:53 and now she's parroting all their dogma too. Aug 01 21:05:00 can iphone open word/excel files? Aug 01 21:05:23 it can view them Aug 01 21:05:25 not edit them Aug 01 21:05:42 ok Aug 01 21:06:11 zhobbs_: Microsoft is actually not going to change their Windows Mobile strategy. Aug 01 21:06:16 romainguy, android will have a lot more to offer i feel Aug 01 21:06:31 I can assure you of that. It is quite clear both internally and externally that they feel like the iPhone, Android, etc are flukes. Aug 01 21:07:02 jasta, that's too bad for them then Aug 01 21:07:03 they thought the internet was a fluke Aug 01 21:07:08 And that consumers are largely unmoved by these innovations. Aug 01 21:07:28 Microsoft can only see their business customers as well. They are blind to anyone else. Aug 01 21:07:37 true Aug 01 21:07:44 They refuse to accept that mobile phones are *PERSONAL* devices that just so happen to find use professionally as well. Aug 01 21:08:01 No skin off my back. All it means is that they will go away and quit bothering the mobile industry :) Aug 01 21:08:27 yep :) Aug 01 21:11:22 Really though, it's hard to listen to my friend on the team. Aug 01 21:11:49 She just sounds so totally lost. Aug 01 21:11:54 haha Aug 01 21:12:24 Within 2 weeks of working there she began spewing the Microsoft dogma without even a hint of a unique idea ;) Aug 01 21:23:59 sup :) Aug 01 21:24:18 you sure have taken a liking to irc on on your phone eh Aug 01 21:24:43 yup. i just wish i had ssh so i wouldnt need a new irc session. Aug 01 21:24:50 i could set up a bounce, tho. Aug 01 21:25:11 a new irc connection i meant Aug 01 21:26:00 mmhmm Aug 01 21:28:00 i might ditch out of work early today :) Aug 01 21:30:37 jasta: as opposed to the other days? :) Aug 01 21:33:41 yeah, my work ethic sucks lately Aug 01 21:33:43 i admit it :) Aug 01 21:33:55 but my job performance, none-the-less, is excellent :) Aug 01 21:34:27 obviously, since it's you :) Aug 01 21:35:10 jasta_: what phone do you have? Aug 01 21:35:21 Get a real phone that has SSH ;) Aug 01 21:37:16 AttractiveApe: moto q9h Aug 01 21:37:26 romainguy: well, it's good. it's not excellent ;) Aug 01 21:37:36 it used to be excellent hehe Aug 01 21:37:50 i stopped caring about this job right around November last year *hint hint* Aug 01 21:38:24 jasta: well, install ssh then. Aug 01 21:38:33 AttractiveApe: there's no decent free windows mobile ssh client. Aug 01 21:38:36 putty or there's a myriad of them. Aug 01 21:38:40 putty, last i tried, is AWFUL Aug 01 21:38:46 and doesn't work right on landscape phones anyway Aug 01 21:38:47 compared to not having ssh? Aug 01 21:39:00 putty at least is truly unusable last time i checked it out Aug 01 21:39:12 the UI clipped and 2/3 of the width of the screen was left blank Aug 01 21:39:34 it was clearly for PocketPC, then poorly hacked to work on WM5/6 Aug 01 21:46:25 romainguy: don't patronize ;) Aug 01 21:46:45 jasta: ? Aug 01 21:46:59 i just caught your "obviously, since it's you" comment :) Aug 01 21:47:21