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Aug 03 05:08:08 <sayers> When is the next SDK coming out ?
Aug 03 05:14:36 <f00f-> tomorrow
Aug 03 05:17:21 <michaelnovakjr1> not quite
Aug 03 05:20:45 <TSchultz55> day after tomorrow
Aug 03 05:20:56 <michaelnovakjr1> hm, not sure about that
Aug 03 05:22:01 <TSchultz55> i'm so borderline getting a new phone right now
Aug 03 05:22:16 <michaelnovakjr1> what phone?
Aug 03 05:22:27 <TSchultz55> trying to figure that out
Aug 03 05:22:53 <TSchultz55> slowly unconsidering basing myphone on what can run android
Aug 03 05:22:55 <michaelnovakjr1> don't get an iPhone
Aug 03 05:23:29 <TSchultz55> i need SOMETHING
Aug 03 05:23:42 <TSchultz55> i have a crippled razr
Aug 03 05:23:49 <michaelnovakjr1> what service?
Aug 03 05:23:59 <TSchultz55> Verizon
Aug 03 05:24:04 <michaelnovakjr1> ouch
Aug 03 05:24:15 <michaelnovakjr1> well, for one.... verizon isn't going to work with android :)
Aug 03 05:24:28 <TSchultz55> why exactly
Aug 03 05:24:42 <michaelnovakjr1> because they have no intentions of supporting it
Aug 03 05:25:17 <TSchultz55> i thought i saw verizon on the open alliance thing
Aug 03 05:25:18 <TSchultz55> ?
Aug 03 05:25:25 <michaelnovakjr1> i don't think so
Aug 03 05:26:11 <michaelnovakjr1> sprint and tmobile
Aug 03 05:26:47 <TSchultz55> lemme check
Aug 03 05:26:53 <michaelnovakjr1> i just did :)
Aug 03 05:27:07 <michaelnovakjr1> www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html
Aug 03 05:27:53 <TSchultz55> so if i want android
Aug 03 05:28:04 <TSchultz55> im limitedto sprint or tmobile
Aug 03 05:28:22 <michaelnovakjr1> limited...? tmobile will be rolling out 3G very soon
Aug 03 05:28:29 <michaelnovakjr1> i would consider that limited :)
Aug 03 05:28:47 <michaelnovakjr1> and both are the cheapest cell providers
Aug 03 05:29:08 <michaelnovakjr1> i have quite a bit of stuff for my phone through sprint and it doesn't break the bank
Aug 03 05:29:50 <TSchultz55> service good?
Aug 03 05:30:04 <TSchultz55> what state r ulocated?
Aug 03 05:30:05 <michaelnovakjr1> i don't have any problems
Aug 03 05:30:07 <michaelnovakjr1> NY
Aug 03 05:30:14 <TSchultz55> ah cool PA here
Aug 03 05:30:20 <michaelnovakjr1> cool
Aug 03 05:30:22 <TSchultz55> where inNY
Aug 03 05:30:28 <michaelnovakjr1> the city
Aug 03 05:30:38 <TSchultz55> damn cant hit the space bar tonight
Aug 03 05:30:57 <TSchultz55> was supposed to be in the city tonight
Aug 03 05:30:58 <michaelnovakjr1> i travel a lot and don't have problems leaving the city and maintaining service
Aug 03 05:31:41 <TSchultz55> thats good
Aug 03 05:33:47 <michaelnovakjr1> what were you coming to the city for?
Aug 03 05:34:09 <TSchultz55> house warming party
Aug 03 05:34:13 <TSchultz55> murray hill
Aug 03 05:34:25 <michaelnovakjr1> cool
Aug 03 05:35:03 <TSchultz55> some family unexpectedly dropped in though so went out to dinner with them
Aug 03 05:35:19 <michaelnovakjr1> not bad
Aug 03 05:35:27 <michaelnovakjr1> how far are you from the city?
Aug 03 05:35:43 <TSchultz55> 20 min from Trenton
Aug 03 05:35:50 <michaelnovakjr1> cool
Aug 03 05:36:03 <TSchultz55> 1.5 hour train ride from Trenton is what I normally do
Aug 03 05:36:16 <michaelnovakjr1> that's not too bad
Aug 03 05:36:31 <TSchultz55> yeah its convenient
Aug 03 05:36:41 <michaelnovakjr1> definitely
Aug 03 05:37:06 <michaelnovakjr1> there are somedays it takes my an hour and a half from brooklyn to my office in manhattan :0
Aug 03 05:37:28 <TSchultz55> car?
Aug 03 05:37:38 <TSchultz55> thats insane
Aug 03 05:37:43 <michaelnovakjr1> train
Aug 03 05:37:45 <TSchultz55> where in manhattan?
Aug 03 05:37:53 <michaelnovakjr1> down by wall street
Aug 03 05:38:02 <michaelnovakjr1> trains can get messed up easily :)
Aug 03 05:38:08 <TSchultz55> damn dude
Aug 03 05:38:26 <f00f-> t-mobile 3G is out in new york already
Aug 03 05:38:27 <michaelnovakjr1> yea
Aug 03 05:38:31 <TSchultz55> well my drive to work in Raritan NJ is like an hour
Aug 03 05:38:41 <TSchultz55> which sucks
Aug 03 05:38:44 <michaelnovakjr1> what do you do?
Aug 03 05:39:40 <TSchultz55> I'm a tech analyst for J&J Pharma.
Aug 03 05:39:51 <michaelnovakjr1> like it?
Aug 03 05:40:35 <TSchultz55> yeah great group of people I work with
Aug 03 05:40:41 <michaelnovakjr1> that's cool
Aug 03 05:41:57 <TSchultz55> doing grad school work right now though
Aug 03 05:42:15 <TSchultz55> which is why im playing around with android
Aug 03 05:50:21 <michaelnovakjr1> cool
Aug 03 05:53:09 <michaelnovakjr1> what are you doing with android?
Aug 03 05:54:20 <TSchultz55> right now interactive design/HCI
Aug 03 05:54:42 <michaelnovakjr1> cool
Aug 03 05:55:21 <TSchultz55> yup
Aug 03 05:55:31 <TSchultz55> alright its friggen late
Aug 03 05:55:39 <michaelnovakjr1> yea it is....
Aug 03 05:55:40 <TSchultz55> need sleep
Aug 03 05:55:49 <michaelnovakjr1> i'm finishing the sms app for the vogue :)
Aug 03 05:55:51 <TSchultz55> i suggest u do thesame :)
Aug 03 05:56:18 <michaelnovakjr1> yea, i'm feeling it
Aug 03 10:23:39 <anno^da_> michaelnovakjr: it is working :>
Aug 03 10:24:00 <anno^da_> I have posted my first image rigth away :-D
Aug 03 15:07:10 <michaelnovakjr1> anno^da_: what made it work?
Aug 03 15:19:02 <anno^da_> well I stepped through the parts again and again and found an error in another part that got null. :/ Too easy to find. :-)
Aug 03 15:19:26 <michaelnovakjr1> :)
Aug 03 15:19:56 <michaelnovakjr1> nullpointers are a pain, but they definitely mean something is null
Aug 03 15:20:15 <anno^da_> But sleeping and getting back relaxed made it :)
Aug 03 15:20:23 <michaelnovakjr1> sure
Aug 03 15:20:33 <michaelnovakjr1> that also helps, walking away for a bit does help :)
Aug 03 15:20:58 <anno^da_> now I'm trying to setup a XML RPC call for technorati which shouldnt be the problem
Aug 03 15:21:29 <michaelnovakjr1> xmlrpc is pretty simple
Aug 03 15:21:42 <anno^da_> hmm it should be yeah :>
Aug 03 15:21:57 <anno^da_> and then I'm working with the flickr api a little bit
Aug 03 15:24:28 <anno^da_> are there news about a new SDK ?
Aug 03 15:25:21 <michaelnovakjr1> not yet :(
Aug 03 15:25:45 <anno^da_> hmm ok
Aug 03 15:26:17 <anno^da_> But for my needs its good enough at the moment :)
Aug 03 15:27:02 <anno^da_> even if I would enjoy it to be able to use the built in camera of my notebook to be setup easily as default cam for the emulator in the eclipse plugin :>
Aug 03 15:27:34 <michaelnovakjr1> i don't know if they will have that next sdk
Aug 03 15:28:08 <anno^da_> they will have it at least when the first devices ship :)
Aug 03 15:28:17 <anno^da_> +one
Aug 03 15:41:10 <anno^da_> michaelnovakjr: what is the easiest way to create a little xml file (http://technorati.com/developers/ping/) . Putting together some Strings or using a XML class to setup the file ?
Aug 03 15:53:09 <TSchultz55> how little is the XML file
Aug 03 15:53:33 <TSchultz55> I use XStream to serialize/deserialize XML - pretty good and useful lib
Aug 03 15:54:59 <TSchultz55> anno^da_: I used it to write the APML libraries - examples here if it helps you:  http://ramandwhiskey.com/2008/01/20/apmlstream-01-released/
Aug 03 15:56:20 <anno^da_> thanks for that
Aug 03 15:56:42 <anno^da_> I have done it by putting the String together its just 6 lines
Aug 03 15:56:48 <anno^da_> but I will bookmark your idea
Aug 03 16:18:12 <SanMehat> morning
Aug 03 16:36:59 <anno^da_> Technorati client is ready so lets get to flickr :D
Aug 03 16:42:09 <chab7> hi
Aug 03 17:55:19 <yakischloba> mornin
Aug 03 18:19:24 <zhobbs_> romainguy: does it make sense to have a thread inside a custom view?
Aug 03 18:20:23 <zhobbs_> romainguy: I want to make a text scroller (extending TextView)...was going to have a thread running to scroll the text
Aug 03 18:20:29 <zhobbs_> just not sure when to start/stop it
Aug 03 18:27:02 <mickrobk> zhobbs_: i generally register a callback to the activity's ondestroy, and kill the thread when the view receives that callback
Aug 03 18:31:49 <zhobbs_> you can't do that just from the view though right?  you gotta set those calls up in the activity right?
Aug 03 18:33:13 <mickrobk> i dunno if u can, i dont necessarily always start the thread in a view either, so i just have always set it up in the activity
Aug 03 18:34:39 <zhobbs_> ok, cool
Aug 03 18:34:58 <zhobbs_> yeah, I can just have a "startScrolling()" and "stopScrolling()" methods
Aug 03 18:37:31 <zhobbs_> need a view lifecycle or something though
Aug 03 18:41:00 <zhobbs_> mickrobk: actually, might try onDetachedFromWindow() and onAttachedFromWindow()
Aug 03 18:43:15 <mickrobk> id be worried those got called when u couldn't see the screen anymore
Aug 03 18:43:25 <mickrobk> i guess id be easy to find out though
Aug 03 18:43:55 <romainguy> you can use onWindowFocusChanged()
Aug 03 18:44:06 <romainguy> if the new focus is false, stop the scrolling
Aug 03 18:45:08 <zhobbs_> ok, thanks
Aug 03 20:01:36 <zhobbs_> when adding a View via code how should I assign it an id, or will that happen automatically?
Aug 03 20:57:50 <yakischloba> Is there a simple way to have a Spinner not display anything until it is clicked? I know I could include an empty string but I don't want the user to be able to select that. I guess I could remove it from the arrayadapter when its clicked or something?
Aug 03 21:12:35 <f00f-> maybe a spinner is the wrong type of widget?
Aug 03 21:15:53 <yakischloba> possibly
Aug 04 01:38:33 <jasta> yawn
Aug 04 01:38:56 <yakischloba> good evening
Aug 04 01:40:05 <jasta> yes.
Aug 04 01:40:38 <yakischloba> heh. eventful weekend?
Aug 04 01:47:40 <jasta> not realy
Aug 04 01:47:41 <jasta> went camping
Aug 04 01:47:48 <jasta> with some old family friends
Aug 04 01:50:16 <yakischloba> where at?
Aug 04 01:52:28 <yakischloba> I'm trying to use android:visibility on a Button. Is this wrong? Eclipse is giving me "Error: Integer types not allowed"
Aug 04 01:52:42 <jasta> visibility=false
Aug 04 01:52:43 <jasta> not 0-
Aug 04 01:52:58 <yakischloba> Oh. So i don't get the 3rd option?
Aug 04 01:53:16 <jasta> err, i'm being dumb
Aug 04 01:53:24 <jasta> yeah i think it's invisible/visible/gone
Aug 04 01:53:31 <yakischloba> 0, 1, 2
Aug 04 01:53:39 <yakischloba> uhm. ok
Aug 04 01:53:45 <jasta> no, you can't or at least should not use the integer form.
Aug 04 01:54:20 <yakischloba> doh. I guess I read that table wrong.
Aug 04 02:00:09 <yakischloba> What does the 'back' button do as far as activity lifecycle?
Aug 04 02:00:24 <yakischloba> finish()?
Aug 04 02:03:16 <f00f-> View.VISIBLE
Aug 04 02:03:18 <f00f-> etc.
Aug 04 02:03:48 <f00f-> yakischloba: yes by default unless you override onKeyDown
Aug 04 02:03:59 <yakischloba> k
Aug 04 02:09:31 <yakischloba> Am I correct that onFreeze() is skipped when ending an Activity with finish()?
Aug 04 02:11:26 <yakischloba> or is it called but the Bundle is just discarded?
Aug 04 02:53:28 <jasta> yakischloba: it is probably still called, but i'm not sure.
Aug 04 02:54:11 <yakischloba> i looked through the docs for a while, i couldn't figure it out.
Aug 04 02:55:06 <yakischloba> whatever. Is there general consensus on how the back button is supposed to be handled? is it up to me to give the user some idea of whether or not the state will be saved?
Aug 04 02:59:19 <jasta> yakischloba: the user is going to assume state is saved, because all other applications will do that.
Aug 04 02:59:56 <jasta> it's a convention, not a rule, but one that user is likely to expect and take for granted.
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