**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 04 02:59:56 2008 Aug 04 03:00:43 k. Aug 04 03:04:38 you save, onpause Aug 04 03:05:20 actually, you save state in onfreeze, but you persist in onstop. Aug 04 03:05:37 I thought I was supposed to persist in onPause. Aug 04 03:05:48 depends on your flow Aug 04 03:06:31 yakischloba: well yeah, that would depend on your application. onPause happens when something is displayed over your activity Aug 04 03:06:39 like, a translucent window or what-have-you. Aug 04 03:07:00 for some applications, onPause and onStop would represent basically the same case, so onStop might make most sense for readability. Aug 04 03:09:08 I need to handle data validation on entry then I guess? I can't have data errors if I must persist in onPause(), and I don't get an opportunity to validate it and notify the user.. Aug 04 03:09:28 I guess i've mostly been doing that anyway. Aug 04 03:09:34 yeah, validate immediately Aug 04 03:09:39 well, you could layer validation, actually. Aug 04 03:09:53 so, for example imagine you had an application which required they enter a dollar amount Aug 04 03:10:34 and they had typed "1.", then got a call, did some other crap, and came back. under this scenario, "1." would probably not validate, but they do not expect the "1." to go away. Aug 04 03:10:44 even though it would fail validation, you should still store it and recall for them in the Bundle. Aug 04 03:10:50 but you wouldn't want to necessarily persist the "1." Aug 04 03:10:57 since it wouldn't validate. Aug 04 03:11:35 yeah. this gets complicated. Aug 04 03:11:42 again, to highlight the difference, saving state is just a way to recover if your process disappears. Aug 04 03:11:52 persisting is a way to recall even after the phone reboots Aug 04 03:12:07 yeah of course. I'm just trying to wrap my head around implementation. Aug 04 03:12:14 so, in this example it might make sense to save state regardless of validation, but only persist when it validates. Aug 04 03:12:33 the best strategy in general though is to imagine all the possible ways the user can interact with *YOUR* activities, and design for those cases. Aug 04 03:12:40 mmhmm. Aug 04 03:12:50 Don't presume to have a good general purpose solution. Aug 04 03:13:09 Every application will want to maintain and recall state differently, and to persist data objects differently. Aug 04 03:13:24 Just imagine how the lifecycle actually translates to usage of your application, and cover those cases. Aug 04 03:13:47 That is, the user is in the application one moment, and may navigate away indefinitely to do some other task, expecting to return to some reasonable state. Aug 04 03:14:07 Sometimes that reasonable state requires nothing is saved/recalled. Other applications may have to be quite aggressive. Aug 04 03:25:36 Is there a way I can get at the value set in setResult from the Activity setting it? (getResult?) Aug 04 03:26:02 yakischloba: from the activity setting it? Aug 04 03:26:18 How is it that you lost the value? :) Aug 04 03:26:52 Well I've been drinking. Let me re-think and see if I didn't need to ask that question. Aug 04 03:26:52 The general pattern puts setResult and finish very close to each other :) Aug 04 03:27:38 I'm trying to check the result in onPause() Aug 04 03:28:28 it would not be appropriate to set the result in onPause or onStop, since the user has made no choice yet. Aug 04 03:28:47 I'm not setting. I'm *checking*. Aug 04 03:29:00 only call setResult() just before you finish(). Aug 04 03:29:12 There is no need for any other arrangement. Aug 04 03:29:18 [that i can see] Aug 04 03:30:48 Heres my scenario: I have the included 'back' button, a Save button and a Cancel button. If the user clicks Save or uses the 'back' button, I want the data to be persisted. If they click cancel, I don't want it to. So I want to setResult, then finish() in my Save/Cancel buttons, and check it in onPause() to see whether I should persist or not. Aug 04 03:31:46 can you give me an idea what sort of data you're opreating on here? Aug 04 03:31:52 what user interface are you trying to create? Aug 04 03:32:00 pretty simple stuff. Age, height, weight, gender Aug 04 03:32:02 etc Aug 04 03:32:22 are you sure you understand what setResult() does? Aug 04 03:33:00 Maybe? Is it inappropriate to think I could use it for two things here? Aug 04 03:33:33 I understand that its supposed to be for the 'parent' Activity to know the outcome of its subActivity Aug 04 03:33:55 No. It is designed only to return information to the calling activity. Aug 04 03:34:11 No to your first question, yes to your second ;) Aug 04 03:34:36 use setResult if you had started a subactivity Aug 04 03:34:51 yakischloba: But you don't use setResult to save your state. Aug 04 03:34:57 You do that independent of the result you plan to give to your caller. Aug 04 03:35:07 calling finish is something you might want to again check your flow Aug 04 03:35:55 They are one in the same. I want to have onPause() check as to whether the data should be persisted or not, and I want to inform my calling Activity as to whether it was or not Aug 04 03:36:24 yakischloba: You can't inform your caller of anything until finish is called. Aug 04 03:36:34 The onActivityResult method will only fire when the sub activity exits. Aug 04 03:36:44 since I'll be validating the data prior to any of this, there shouldn't be any reason why the save would fail Aug 04 03:36:54 That was my point, so in onPause or onStop, you haven't finished yet, and thus setResult does nothing useful. Aug 04 03:37:40 So, as just as a measure of good design I would find another way to persist this data and call setResult only when the user has elected to leave this subactivity. Aug 04 03:37:58 By the way, I am sensing that you are not using sub activities correctly here... Aug 04 03:38:26 sub activities are for things like choosing a contact, a bookmark, or a file location. Aug 04 03:38:38 Then whent he user makes a choice, the activity finishes and gives the choice back to the caller. Aug 04 03:38:59 For persistent data part of your application's logic, a sub activity would seem inappropriate to me. Aug 04 03:39:17 ok Aug 04 03:40:00 jasta: are you sure setresult is called only after finish? Aug 04 03:41:48 If I said that I meant before finish. Aug 04 03:42:11 right.. no i'm not pickin on you Aug 04 03:42:29 is it called before finish Aug 04 03:42:37 or everytime an activity is hidden? Aug 04 03:42:38 But I am certain that the result is only received by the caller until after the subactivity finishes. Aug 04 03:42:45 ok Aug 04 03:42:57 muthu: You can call it as much as you'd like. It will only be picked up the by the parent when the activity finishes. Aug 04 03:43:05 That was my point. Calling it often makes absolutely no sense. Aug 04 03:43:24 and is just likely to catch your application in an inconsistent state. Aug 04 03:43:37 ok.. was wondering about the defaults here Aug 04 03:43:52 this isn't a question of defaults. i don't even know what you mean by that. Aug 04 03:53:13 Is it a good idea to close() databases onPause() and open() onResume? Aug 04 03:54:53 better to open/close when you need them Aug 04 03:55:16 ok Aug 04 03:55:32 and do databases in background Aug 04 03:55:53 erg. Aug 04 03:56:51 I think I need to KISS for now and re-do bad parts later when I know what I'm doing :) Aug 04 03:57:07 yup Aug 04 04:23:38 lol, sweet Aug 04 04:23:56 3.2MB/sec from Adobe :) Aug 04 04:23:59 at work Aug 04 04:25:09 just bursted, but still ;) Aug 04 04:25:30 hehe, 94MB in 1m2s :) Aug 04 04:26:45 O_O Aug 04 04:46:03 jasta, yo Aug 04 05:20:06 pawalls: sup Aug 04 07:32:06 yawn Aug 04 11:28:28 Hello guys. Aug 04 11:28:31 someone here ? Aug 04 11:31:03 yes :) Aug 04 11:33:33 Oh great. I think my question could be easy for you. :-) I'm trying to replace something in a String and can't find out how to do it the right way. I tried the replace functions of the String class but cant get it to work. Aug 04 11:33:52 I'm getting the following String back from the Flickr API: jsonFlickrApi({"stat":"fail", "code":96, "message":"Invalid signature"}) Aug 04 11:34:22 To use it as a JSONObject I have to get rid of the "jsonFlickrApi(" and the enclosing ")" Aug 04 11:35:04 Do you know how to achieve that ? Aug 04 11:35:50 no :( Aug 04 11:41:31 anno: is it always this string? use String.substr ;-) Aug 04 11:42:14 yeah it is Aug 04 11:42:22 it is always this string Aug 04 11:42:50 and I dont know why they enclosed their JSON response with that String Aug 04 11:43:35 so check for starting "jsonFlickrApi(" and use substr() Aug 04 11:48:27 well thats to easy to be true :) Aug 04 11:48:38 +too Aug 04 11:48:41 Thanks tric Aug 04 14:02:47 ding... http://linuxdevices.com Aug 04 14:03:03 android competitor newsworthiness Aug 04 14:52:35 mornin Aug 04 14:52:40 morning. Aug 04 14:52:44 how goes. Aug 04 14:52:54 ok :) Aug 04 14:53:01 brb, shower time Aug 04 15:08:40 hehe, weird, my cell phone interferes with my wireless keyboard and mouse Aug 04 15:08:51 i would not have expected that Aug 04 15:09:15 what does it do to it? Aug 04 15:09:35 it causes keys to be missed or repeated. Aug 04 15:09:56 when the phone is transmitting, and the speakers are picking up the interference, i basically can't type Aug 04 15:10:14 i have to move it away from the kb/mouse receiver. Aug 04 15:11:21 michaelnovakjr: i started working on my solitaire engine hehe Aug 04 15:11:33 coding up a quick freecell game Aug 04 15:12:54 sweet Aug 04 15:13:07 i'm finishing up the Messages apk Aug 04 15:13:12 gross waste of time :/ Aug 04 15:13:20 why? Aug 04 15:14:23 heh. working as kind of a supervisor for the last couple years i have learned to hate solitaire and freecell, as i've caught people playing that shit countless times on the clock ;) Aug 04 15:14:29 * SanMehat hates MMC Aug 04 15:15:06 i regularly go around and uninstall solitaire. people actually go to the trouble of bringing it in from home and reinstalling it Aug 04 15:15:19 haha Aug 04 15:35:59 whats up Aug 04 15:36:55 not much Aug 04 15:40:12 the ADC round 1 deadline is fast approaching... Aug 04 15:40:20 so we'll possibly get to see the results from that soon Aug 04 15:41:23 and maybe an SDK Aug 04 15:41:31 i wouldn't count on that Aug 04 15:42:37 :) Aug 04 15:48:40 heh Aug 04 15:55:09 fast approaching for sure Aug 04 15:55:53 approaching for sure. Aug 04 16:37:49 yawn Aug 04 16:38:16 what's up Aug 04 16:38:28 not much, just got to work Aug 04 16:38:38 drinkin coffee ;0 Aug 04 16:38:52 :) Aug 04 16:39:29 my girlfriend dropped her macbook pro this weekend Aug 04 16:39:35 destroyed the hard drive Aug 04 16:40:13 i just happened to get a 320gb hard drive on friday, so i wiped mine and put it in her computer and installed the 320gb in mine, wasn't planning to have to do that this weekend Aug 04 16:52:32 http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/299213729.html Aug 04 16:59:38 :) Aug 04 17:38:32 quiet today Aug 04 17:42:34 yup Aug 04 17:45:54 what are you working on today? :) Aug 04 17:46:03 * SanMehat is working on SD bugs Aug 04 17:47:15 jasta, trying to figure out if i can tie my app to the standard sms send action Aug 04 17:47:36 surely you can? Aug 04 17:47:39 so if you are in your contacts list you can send an sms message through my app Aug 04 17:47:49 that's just an intent, i'm sure. Aug 04 17:48:08 yea, it looks like they are tied to standard Android actions Aug 04 17:48:19 just have to figure out what that action is :) Aug 04 17:48:52 I/ActivityManager( 514): Starting activity: Intent { action=android.intent.action.SENDTO Aug 04 17:48:57 .... Aug 04 17:49:04 i just use adb logcat to find that Aug 04 17:49:21 ah good idea Aug 04 17:49:41 its monday :) common sense is still booting up :) Aug 04 17:49:45 the data section is the mobile Aug 04 17:49:57 but it's sms:number actually Aug 04 17:50:58 cool Aug 04 17:53:24 let me know if it works. that would be cool ;) Aug 04 17:53:31 definitely Aug 04 17:53:35 i'm putting it in now Aug 04 17:54:13 the app is coming along nicely... because of the way the keyboard is onscreen, i couldn't accomplish my idea of adding a small edittext under the message thread Aug 04 17:54:34 so there's a reply menu option that will pull up the send activity with the number populated Aug 04 17:54:37 i wish we had android up on a phone with a traditional keyboard :\ Aug 04 17:54:59 or if android had a built-in soft keyboard we could play wit Aug 04 17:55:00 h Aug 04 17:55:04 yea Aug 04 17:55:06 instead of the crummy one martin wrote hehe Aug 04 17:55:10 :) Aug 04 17:55:18 designing interfaces would be a bit easier Aug 04 18:16:47 hm jasta, are you familiar with the Fallback apk? Aug 04 18:32:59 jasta: did you submit this, or did they find you and add it? http://www.android-freeware.org/download/five-alpha Aug 04 18:34:42 zhobbs_: they have a googlegroups i think jasta submitted to Aug 04 18:34:52 oh ok Aug 04 18:41:56 jasta: pint Aug 04 18:41:58 ping* Aug 04 18:57:45 hola Aug 04 18:58:09 howdy Aug 04 18:58:47 i tried setting an receiver for that action... Aug 04 18:58:48 jasta_: I see its lunch time Aug 04 18:59:05 yup Aug 04 19:00:08 jasta, fallback keeps getting called on that action Aug 04 19:01:42 do you need to request permissions? any interesting notes in logcat during installation? Aug 04 19:02:15 it shows my receiver during installation Aug 04 19:02:27 nothing out of the ordinary Aug 04 19:02:32 hmm Aug 04 19:02:56 i wonder if the fallback apk is listening for the intent Aug 04 19:02:59 commit and i'll take a look. maybe we can find something here... Aug 04 19:03:08 mostly because there's no apk for sms Aug 04 19:03:26 probably but isnt the point that you can override? Aug 04 19:03:59 yep, its definitely listening Aug 04 19:05:54 i'm going to commit in a minute, testing something out Aug 04 19:10:35 ok, im not at a computer anyway Aug 04 19:14:15 ok Aug 04 19:36:47 i am now ;) Aug 04 19:39:17 michaelnovakjr: so does Messages actually work on a real device now? Aug 04 19:39:29 oh yea, its been working :) Aug 04 19:39:34 nice Aug 04 19:39:38 i think i'm gonna pick up a device todya ;) Aug 04 19:39:42 i use it as often as possible to get a feel for it Aug 04 19:39:46 sweet :) Aug 04 19:40:03 it interacts with the Contacts, has reply, create, etc Aug 04 19:40:15 and has the threaded view... still working on some of the UI aspects though Aug 04 19:40:37 intent-filters can have a priority? Aug 04 19:40:37 nice :) Aug 04 19:41:13 seems that way Aug 04 19:41:26 i'm looking at the fallback apk Aug 04 19:41:33 it registers the sendto action Aug 04 19:42:10 and the wallpaper settings Aug 04 19:42:12 which makes sense Aug 04 19:42:15 and how are you looking at that? :) Aug 04 19:42:43 are you making sure to include that you handle the sms scheme? Aug 04 19:43:02 yea, i'm looking at it through the Manifest Aug 04 19:43:16 i know, i'm joking. you're using my reverse engineering :) Aug 04 19:44:18 :) Aug 04 19:45:44 i just got a build error on latest svn of messages Aug 04 19:46:52 ? Aug 04 19:47:27 what's your error? Aug 04 19:47:28 hang on, let me make sure it's not my fault Aug 04 19:47:41 ok Aug 04 19:47:51 i'm pretty sure the last commit built cleanly Aug 04 19:48:53 it's complaining that you're using @Override in your anonymous implementation of OnPopulateContextMenuListener() Aug 04 19:48:58 err, -() Aug 04 19:49:44 interesting Aug 04 19:50:36 it looks like this is expecte dbehaviour. Aug 04 19:51:41 yea, for the context menu Aug 04 19:51:56 what's weird is that is setup in the code Aug 04 19:52:18 i might be doing it different;y Aug 04 19:52:19 ly Aug 04 19:53:31 @Override works on interface methods with Java 1.6 Aug 04 19:53:33 but not with Java 1.5 Aug 04 19:53:39 you must be both using different compilers Aug 04 19:53:41 i am using 1.6 i think Aug 04 19:53:47 you should stick to 1.5 Aug 04 19:53:51 that's what we use here Aug 04 19:53:58 1.6 is supposed to work but... :) Aug 04 19:53:59 damn, that's why some people have to delete my @Override's Aug 04 19:54:06 will do :) Aug 04 19:54:19 you can just setup your 1.6 compiler to compile in 1.5 mode Aug 04 19:54:23 use -source 1.5 -target 1.5 Aug 04 19:54:27 romainguy_ it does work as expected :) Aug 04 19:54:30 in Eclipse you can set the source level compatibility Aug 04 19:57:32 i use 1.5, michael. Aug 04 19:57:47 makes sense then :) Aug 04 19:57:54 i'll update the code accordingly Aug 04 19:58:15 it only affects interface implementations. Aug 04 19:59:17 cool Aug 04 20:02:59 hehe, where'd you get the fancy icons? Aug 04 20:03:57 online, i have the page bookmarked Aug 04 20:04:07 i want to make the thread view icon much smaller Aug 04 20:04:14 clean that up a bit Aug 04 20:04:24 it bothers me Aug 04 20:05:47 one thing i've noticed... Aug 04 20:05:51 if you're watching your messages app Aug 04 20:05:55 and a new message comes in, it doesn't update the UI Aug 04 20:06:11 yea, i have to fix that Aug 04 20:06:28 if you delete a thread the UI updates Aug 04 20:06:36 just have to add that in when a message comes in Aug 04 20:07:40 Seems to do a lot of work when you navigate around? Aug 04 20:07:53 i went from conversation view back to the main screen and logcat went very noisy Aug 04 20:08:24 yea, i still have lots of log messages in there Aug 04 20:08:48 it could use some cleaning up Aug 04 20:11:57 assuming i can get this intent working, i'll be cleaning it up tonight Aug 04 20:14:28 how's the interface? Aug 04 20:16:57 i like it, actually Aug 04 20:17:02 except some small things Aug 04 20:17:21 probably the small things that bother me :) Aug 04 20:17:22 like for example when replying on a thread, the text message box should be focused first Aug 04 20:17:25 not the number Aug 04 20:17:41 yea, i'm going to make that the focus Aug 04 20:17:50 and the Send/Cancel buttons should be horizontally aligned, i think Aug 04 20:17:55 and should have greater padding between each other Aug 04 20:17:59 greater margins, i mean Aug 04 20:18:34 yea Aug 04 20:18:47 that makes sense Aug 04 20:19:58 i put the buttons there so it would fit on the vogue screen Aug 04 20:20:08 different resolution than the emulator Aug 04 20:24:15 michaelnovakjr: does it resolve numbers to contact names? Aug 04 20:24:23 yea Aug 04 20:24:29 because i added my number as a contact then sent a message to myself from ddms but it shows as the number Aug 04 20:24:33 not the name Aug 04 20:24:35 its probably a bit of a hack way right now :) Aug 04 20:24:36 one has hyphens in it, the other doesn't. Aug 04 20:24:54 you were able to add two numbers to the contacts in different formats? Aug 04 20:25:23 that's one of the things on my todo list.... i have to properly use the contacts provider Aug 04 20:25:39 right now i am just going through the cursor returned myself Aug 04 20:25:41 dude, you seem to be searching the list of contacts iteratively Aug 04 20:25:53 there's lots of optimizations that need to happen here :) Aug 04 20:26:01 oh yea ;) Aug 04 20:26:20 there's interfaces i can work with in the contacts Aug 04 20:26:41 certainly takes a performance hit currently Aug 04 20:26:42 also, i question whether or not you should refresh the conversation adapter in onResume(). Aug 04 20:27:06 i would imagine that you could just use a managedquery and let a cursor adapter manage itself. Aug 04 20:29:27 i actually started writing the adapter today using the managedquery method Aug 04 20:33:51 romainguy_ around? Aug 04 20:35:28 yes Aug 04 20:35:46 any idea how to override the SENDTO action? Aug 04 20:36:01 currently the fallback keeps getting called Aug 04 20:36:02 what do you mean? Aug 04 20:36:31 in the Contacts apk when you click the sms number it attempts to run the intent for the SENDTO action Aug 04 20:36:38 ok? Aug 04 20:36:45 comes up as unsupported, which is the fallback apk Aug 04 20:36:55 michaelnovakjr: i wish you'd commit what isn't working so i can review it :) Aug 04 20:37:04 you must just have a typo or something hehe Aug 04 20:37:04 i'm going to do that now Aug 04 20:37:06 do you have an intent filter for SENDTO in your application? Aug 04 20:37:13 yea Aug 04 20:37:54 maybe you did not do it correctly in your manifest :) Aug 04 20:38:16 im guessing Aug 04 20:39:34 michaelnovakjr: just commit Aug 04 20:39:37 jasta, i committed it, its definitely a hack, once i get this working i plan to clean the whole thing up Aug 04 20:40:01 i've tried many variations Aug 04 20:40:03 hehe, this is wrong :) Aug 04 20:40:05 i'll fix. Aug 04 20:40:12 i figured Aug 04 20:40:26 does it need a receiver? Aug 04 20:41:00 i had it in a receiver before, i haven't added the file to the repo. Aug 04 20:41:21 can you paste your manifest? Aug 04 20:41:37 i already fixed it Aug 04 20:41:38 committing Aug 04 20:41:48 damnit, i knew it would be simple too Aug 04 20:42:03 there Aug 04 20:42:17 you had to register the sms scheme. Aug 04 20:42:41 but i didn't handle it for you, i just got your activity up. you'll need to process the intent's data. Aug 04 20:42:50 yea Aug 04 20:43:05 awesome Aug 04 20:43:12 i set a priority, tho it's not necessary. Aug 04 20:43:15 i plan to clean that up a bit Aug 04 20:43:37 the createmessage activity uses that bad contacts code too :) Aug 04 20:45:56 thanks for the help jasta Aug 04 20:46:38 no problem, i knew exactly which one would make it work already :) Aug 04 20:47:01 :) Aug 04 20:47:23 now to clean up the code a bit, so it doesn't run so slow Aug 04 20:47:44 granted it is faster on the device than in the emulator... it could still use some cleanup Aug 04 21:15:15 jasta, i'll be on later finishing up the apk Aug 04 21:25:20 cool, im just working on my solitaire engine to keep busy. Aug 04 21:25:29 probably be done with that by the weekend. Aug 04 21:41:03 hey Dougie187 Aug 04 21:41:08 Hey jasta Aug 04 21:41:10 hows it going? Aug 04 21:41:13 pretty good Aug 04 21:41:23 nice Aug 04 21:41:43 whats going down? Aug 04 22:04:10 Dougie187: not much, gonna buy the touch today :) Aug 04 22:04:11 after work Aug 04 22:04:51 how much? Aug 04 22:05:08 well, i'm renting it ;) Aug 04 22:05:15 long story hehe Aug 04 22:05:52 lol Aug 04 22:05:55 scammer Aug 04 22:15:06 hehe, no :) Aug 04 22:15:50 lol Aug 04 22:15:54 your getting a touch? Aug 04 22:21:30 yeah. Aug 04 22:23:51 nice Aug 04 22:23:56 when are you getting it? Aug 04 22:24:07 today? or are you just "ordering" it today? Aug 04 22:24:47 picking it up at the sprint store today. Aug 04 22:25:00 nice Aug 04 22:25:07 your borrowing it from the sprint store? Aug 04 22:25:45 howdy Aug 04 22:25:48 5 finger discount? Aug 04 22:26:50 huh? Aug 04 22:27:38 that's what they'll say when they see the touch missing from the store! Aug 04 22:28:05 ? Aug 04 22:29:23 exactly. Aug 04 22:37:40 no, i'm buying it with service and returning it w/in the 30 day period ;) Aug 04 22:38:34 lol Aug 04 22:38:41 are they going to take it back with android on it? Aug 04 22:38:50 android doesn't permanently install onto the device Aug 04 22:38:53 it boots through haret only Aug 04 22:38:59 oh ok.l Aug 04 22:41:39 it[s still gonna cost like $70 for the service for 1 month, tho Aug 04 22:41:45 but that's fine :) Aug 04 22:42:01 thats pretty expensive to play with it. Aug 04 22:42:32 yeah, but i really want to play with it. i want to play with it $70 worth :) Aug 04 22:42:45 i want to make my app work on it ;) Aug 04 22:43:10 lol Aug 04 22:43:16 hows that rhythmbox plugin working? Aug 04 22:43:21 i take it no d2 for about a month? Aug 04 22:43:40 the rhythmbox plugin has gone slow because i've been fixing so many bugs in libsyncml to work client-side Aug 04 22:43:47 but as of about a week and a half ago i think i have them worked out Aug 04 22:44:03 nice. Aug 04 22:44:08 im excited for that. Aug 04 22:44:21 me too,it's been bothering me not having it more and more every day at work Aug 04 22:45:25 yeah, thats when i always think about it, though... at work they are bastards and limit the internet usage so i dont think it would work at my work work, but at my school work it will Aug 04 22:56:11 yawn. Aug 04 22:57:29 bbl Aug 04 23:14:26 howdy jasta Aug 04 23:21:52 sup Aug 04 23:22:33