**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 11 02:59:57 2008 Aug 11 02:59:57 io-build Aug 11 03:00:03 oh ok Aug 11 03:00:08 how'd you know it's called m6? Aug 11 03:00:11 different home apps Aug 11 03:00:27 no idea really Aug 11 03:02:12 well...getting scared...resigning from my job tomorrow Aug 11 03:02:16 going full time tunewiki Aug 11 03:03:11 oh my Aug 11 03:03:12 uh ohi Aug 11 03:03:14 that sux Aug 11 03:03:30 what happened to you wanting to do EE Aug 11 03:03:36 i'm sorry to hear that Aug 11 03:03:39 haha Aug 11 03:03:44 not gonna give you a guilt trip though Aug 11 03:04:12 i hope you're getting a good deal Aug 11 03:04:20 well...I said no enough times that tunewiki started offering a lot of $$ Aug 11 03:04:32 (a lot for me at least) Aug 11 03:04:45 50% more than I make at my EE job, plus lots of options Aug 11 03:04:46 well good, as long as you're moving up at the rate that you want Aug 11 03:05:02 at least now you can do it full-time, slight stress relliever, i bet Aug 11 03:05:30 yeah, it'll be kinda interesting to try to make something happen with it...who knows how it'll end up Aug 11 03:05:45 good luck with it Aug 11 03:05:48 saw your iphone stuff Aug 11 03:05:50 not bad Aug 11 03:06:05 yeah, I haven't used the iphone client yet Aug 11 03:06:19 well, saw it briefly...but haven't used it Aug 11 03:06:44 you moving here or to israel? Aug 11 03:06:48 or staying. Aug 11 03:07:57 actually only the founder is in israel Aug 11 03:08:09 the programmers are in ohio, and the ceo is in la Aug 11 03:08:17 gllobal team Aug 11 03:08:21 so, will move to ohio later this year Aug 11 03:08:55 how big is the team? Aug 11 03:09:06 just 3 devs right now Aug 11 03:09:19 cool Aug 11 03:09:39 yeah, it'll be an interesting experience Aug 11 03:12:44 zhobbs: is a new website in order? ;) Aug 11 03:20:59 yawn Aug 11 03:21:10 good evening Aug 11 03:24:27 how was your party Aug 11 03:25:20 fun :) Aug 11 03:25:34 mostly played drinking games, so we just got stupid drunk for no reason Aug 11 03:25:43 of course Aug 11 03:25:56 my friend Jeff was apparently raped, so i'm not sure how he'll feel about that today. Aug 11 03:26:21 hopefully by someone attractive of his preferred gender eh Aug 11 03:26:25 he passed out on the couch and then some skank just started making out with him. i swear he was unconscious. Aug 11 03:27:00 worse things could happen Aug 11 03:31:39 I'm watching the olympics archery..this is interesting Aug 11 03:36:38 i'm watching cow racing outside my work window ;) Aug 11 03:36:48 haha Aug 11 03:37:15 yakischloba: who's leading the gold table? Aug 11 03:37:33 don't know Aug 11 03:38:04 china & us is going to be a great competition Aug 11 03:38:06 i'm so disillusioned about the olympics being held in china. Aug 11 03:38:13 yeah honestly. Aug 11 03:38:45 i have been reading up on the politics here, and it turns out that the olympics are jus topen to the highest bidder. Aug 11 03:39:13 its all business Aug 11 03:39:20 it really has nothing to do with the sort of government you have installed. gross human rights violations? meh. rampant social, political, and cultural oppression? pssh, big deal? Aug 11 03:42:50 the opening ceremony was great Aug 11 03:43:00 I didn't see it. Aug 11 03:43:27 the chinese even made sure, the rains stayed away :) Aug 11 03:43:38 yeah Aug 11 03:43:40 what nonsense Aug 11 03:43:51 haha Aug 11 03:44:10 you don't want to rain to play spoilsport Aug 11 03:44:35 the womens road race was on TV when i went to get food a couple hours ago Aug 11 03:44:38 it was pouring Aug 11 03:44:41 whats that about Aug 11 03:45:04 now its raining heavily Aug 11 03:46:03 michaelnovakjr: hey, can you check that the Solitaire game works ok on the Vogue when you get a chance? Aug 11 03:46:25 michaelnovakjr: just committed r127, build that. Aug 11 04:31:38 4X100 Relay the Americans!!!!! Aug 11 04:56:52 what? who? me? idle? naaah Aug 11 05:13:49 yo morrildl Aug 11 05:13:58 romainguy: yo Aug 11 05:16:13 okay bedtime Aug 11 08:55:18 did someone copy the htc dream pics on flickr? Aug 11 09:00:32 alex2308, Aug 11 09:00:33 you mean Aug 11 09:00:35 http://flickr.com/photos/7363248@N08/2751050317/ Aug 11 09:02:54 only 1 pic? Aug 11 09:03:30 found 2-3 Aug 11 09:03:32 not more Aug 11 09:06:00 alex2308, are there more out? Aug 11 09:13:07 they are just the reference design Aug 11 09:13:10 nothing more Aug 11 09:13:17 no HTC dream ;) Aug 11 09:13:35 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/02/under_the_bonnet_of_android_1.html <- compare the devices ;) Aug 11 09:15:38 yes Aug 11 09:15:45 i also already knew the device Aug 11 09:16:53 i dont know, im just looking Aug 11 09:17:06 but all i could found is this short youtube vid and the ´pic Aug 11 09:18:11 yeah it is all you could find :) Aug 11 09:18:18 nothing more is "leaked" :P Aug 11 09:18:25 (fake leaked :D) Aug 11 09:19:00 could be real leaked Aug 11 09:19:07 many people had hands on the devices Aug 11 09:20:02 HTC wont release the exact refrence design Aug 11 09:23:49 BBC device, IO device, "Dream" it is always the same reference design :) Aug 11 09:25:47 ofc they wont Aug 11 09:26:04 but htc engineers and software engineers as well as other members of the OHA had hands on the devices Aug 11 09:26:12 yeah for sure Aug 11 09:26:25 but they always had hands on the normal reference design Aug 11 09:26:25 the more people get hands on, the bigger the chance for some pics to leak Aug 11 09:26:33 yeah sure Aug 11 09:26:52 If it would be a different design I could believe that it is the HTC Dream Aug 11 09:27:01 but not with that design Aug 11 09:27:38 the dream is old and just a prototype, this ones are real Aug 11 09:28:46 ... old ... the bbc device is from february Aug 11 09:29:19 but it has been used at the google io and leaked now (again) Aug 11 09:29:32 it is very likely the first device will look like this Aug 11 09:30:09 i brb Aug 11 10:43:06 re Aug 11 10:46:03 hello, Aug 11 10:50:51 hello.. Aug 11 10:52:14 This is channel for Google Android? Aug 11 10:52:25 yes Aug 11 10:52:31 absolyutely Aug 11 10:54:01 I am new on android.... The programming language that we use on android is Java or J2ME? Aug 11 10:54:49 java Aug 11 10:58:48 I see on site of android, on Start Guide, this -> TextView tv = new TextView(); i don't think this is from java Core... Aug 11 10:59:44 that's core java Aug 11 11:01:17 J2ME not used on android? Aug 11 11:02:40 no Aug 11 11:03:10 android uses a subset of jdk 1.5 Aug 11 11:04:40 kasnot: there is no such programming language L2ME Aug 11 11:04:51 J2ME Aug 11 11:08:16 you have right, I can find ebooks for android? Aug 11 11:09:44 plusminus wrote one Aug 11 11:10:00 but as the new sdk might come out soon it might be out of date Aug 11 11:10:18 http://andbook.anddev.org/ Aug 11 11:14:07 thanks guys... Aug 11 11:14:18 have a nice day Aug 11 11:14:20 bye Aug 11 11:16:57 Can someone tell me if I can influence the height of a Spinner. My Spinner has nearly 20% more height than the Spinner in the API Demos Aug 11 11:18:09 it might be your layout Aug 11 11:19:11 So I cant influence it directly ? Aug 11 11:20:06 just adjust your layout params Aug 11 13:48:42 is the relative layout working the right way ? I have defined my ideas the way I have always done it and the plugin cant find the IDs when I do things like toRight etc. Aug 11 13:55:52 It works if not nesting the Relative Layout inside my Linear Layout Aug 11 14:06:55 you can nest it that way Aug 11 14:08:31 :/ I'm getting crazy about it. With one element I can use a certain ID with the next I cant and the plugin is telling me that it cant find the ressource :/ Aug 11 14:09:26 you make sure its defined before you use it Aug 11 14:09:49 so move the element with the id to the top Aug 11 14:13:41 anno^da_: just be careful about layouts Aug 11 14:14:02 :) Yeah I', fighting it. :D Aug 11 14:14:03 you have to support different resolutions... so the more fluid your UI the less work you'll have to do later on Aug 11 14:14:33 Well I know that. It is just some easy relative layout Aug 11 14:17:44 I'm just rebuilding it from the ground now again :) Aug 11 14:20:53 Whats the easiest way to center the whole relative layout? (with LinearLayout it was gravity="center" or "center_vertical" Aug 11 14:23:25 its gravity Aug 11 14:28:04 thats what I have at the moment : http://rafb.net/p/G3sKUR55.html . Why does it look like this: http://img.skitch.com/20080811-tajq82ndh4ugnrkeks756ha4b4.jpg and is not centered? (the 4 icons centered) Aug 11 14:36:44 anno^da_: its gravity=center Aug 11 14:43:32 Yeah I know that but it doesnt work with the Relative Layout Aug 11 14:44:27 change the relative layout to wrap_content Aug 11 14:44:34 for layout_height at least Aug 11 14:45:22 I will try that thanks zhobbs Aug 11 14:46:47 well the same :) Aug 11 14:47:06 the icons gluing at the top Aug 11 14:47:33 So I have to play tennis now otherwise I'm getting crazy I will come back to that later. :) Aug 11 14:47:47 See you later guys. Bye Aug 11 15:09:54 jasta: http://timesonline.typepad.com/technology/2008/08/apple-mulls-vir.html Aug 11 15:22:39 tomgibara: well, i always knew this was coming. it's a pretty obvious extension. Aug 11 15:23:02 however, Apple's solution will be proprietary, with vendor and device lock-in, mine will not. Aug 11 15:23:46 As for infringing a patent? Well, there's nothing I can do to fight that, but fortunately there's little they can do to fight me as well. Aug 11 15:24:15 And in fact, legally I have stronger ground than they do. There are 2 examples of prior art in this case. Aug 11 15:24:56 always on pc is a big drawback Aug 11 15:25:23 Prior art matters little if you can't afford to contest the patent. Aug 11 15:25:25 bbl Aug 11 15:25:41 The EFF can afford to defend it just fine ;) Aug 11 15:27:36 * morrildl infers there is some patent-related action afoot Aug 11 15:28:14 although i believe you cant win the patent fight (as you were to lazy to get one) im with you Aug 11 15:28:19 cause apple is the enemy Aug 11 15:29:23 too lazy to get one? Aug 11 15:29:39 do you have any idea what is involved in getting a patent? Aug 11 15:29:52 about 7 years ago, I was told that a typical patent takes about $25K - $35K to obtain Aug 11 15:29:52 oh man.. lot of work Aug 11 15:30:16 granted that that was for my employer, who has lots of attorneys working on it Aug 11 15:30:17 no idea, im in germany, its different here Aug 11 15:30:25 yeah. lets jump on that for our FOSS Aug 11 15:30:30 there's tons of work and tons of cost Aug 11 15:30:45 laziness is the least of the obstacles Aug 11 15:30:55 yeah, i remember my employer started applying for patents.. Aug 11 15:31:29 but then before the patents can come, we ran out of funds ;) Aug 11 15:32:04 otherwise i would have had atleast one patent with my name on it Aug 11 15:33:35 i was already to get an iphone today, and then i saw the blurb about Apple being able to take an application right off your phone remotely Aug 11 15:33:42 what a rip off Aug 11 15:34:48 why apple is going insane, no one knows Aug 11 15:36:15 i'm sure plenty of folks at Apple know, but have gag orders and NDAs which prevent them from blabbing ;) Aug 11 15:36:43 haha Aug 11 15:36:47 NDAs!! Aug 11 15:37:22 screw em Aug 11 15:39:46 oh jeez Aug 11 15:40:00 that HTC video is on slashdot Aug 11 15:40:15 http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/08/11/148201.shtml Aug 11 15:40:16 tomgibara: thanks fort he heads up tho Aug 11 15:40:27 tomgibara: honestly, Apple will likely help me launch my project :) Aug 11 15:41:02 Jasta: Apple might be interested in getting you to help them or better. Aug 11 15:41:20 dmoffett: i can't imagine why. Aug 11 15:41:37 Apple uses a lot of open source. Aug 11 15:41:51 that support their competitors? Aug 11 15:41:51 oh no Aug 11 15:42:01 we're not getting excoriated in the first 10 comments on /. Aug 11 15:42:06 I think that means we're doomed or something Aug 11 15:42:25 * morrildl looks for the comment inquiring whether you could run a Beowulf cluster of the phones Aug 11 15:42:28 Competitors are purchased all the time. Aug 11 15:43:03 dmoffett: I won't hold my breath. Aug 11 15:43:14 wise decision. Aug 11 15:44:24 i still don't think that's android Aug 11 15:44:33 lol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Androids_Dream_of_Electric_Sheep%3F Aug 11 15:45:00 yakischloba: you've never seen that? Aug 11 15:45:08 or..read it, i mean :) Aug 11 15:45:11 jasta: new to me Aug 11 15:45:12 i'm still waiting for google's announcement android will be delayed :) Aug 11 15:45:58 jasta: is that where you get all your great ideas?.. Aug 11 15:51:46 theregister.co.uk on the new HTC-Device-Video: "... more importantly, it shows off some rogue developer breaking Google's strict code of secrecy." :D Aug 11 15:52:30 the whole thing is bs Aug 11 15:52:47 if you're gonna defy google, might as well go out and buy a decent camera :) Aug 11 15:52:52 yea Aug 11 15:53:00 i have a feeling it was done on purpose Aug 11 15:53:17 to distract attention from the fact the whole matter is in the gutter Aug 11 15:53:23 maybe by HTC to fight back the lastest delay-rumours... Aug 11 15:53:51 i don't think it will be out on time Aug 11 15:54:10 not sure who's causing the delay Aug 11 15:54:13 we are almost halfway through August Aug 11 15:54:47 if you want to make sure your shit is tight for a Q4 release, don't you think it ought to be near time to start getting feedback for the bugs you know exist? Aug 11 15:55:27 i think its only a matter of time before we hear a delay of some sort Aug 11 15:55:51 or maybe Google will just say we never intended it to be released now... or better yet... just not answer any questions about it :) Aug 11 15:56:07 or maybe they just release crap ;) Aug 11 15:56:42 morrildl, these guys had some questions/comments about your blog posting: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=272818 Aug 11 15:56:58 jasta, im sure it will be crap Aug 11 15:57:18 davidw: neat Aug 11 15:58:23 davidw: I still think the web is a funny place where you can get comments on blog posts on sites you didn't even know exist, but still have no comments on your actual original source :) Aug 11 15:59:07 it's a pretty good site Aug 11 15:59:51 davidw: it's certainly information-dense :) Aug 11 16:01:06 davidw: it's like reddit minus all the politics and [pics] and [vid] posts Aug 11 16:01:37 YC funding is open now.. Aug 11 16:02:23 romainguy_: morning ;) Aug 11 16:02:26 for some reason the rss feed fails in pageflakes Aug 11 16:02:33 yo SanMehat Aug 11 16:02:42 zhobbs, yeah, exactly. Hopefully it will manage to stay that way Aug 11 16:03:40 I've tried to add their rss to my homepage a few times, wonder if they block pageflakes or something Aug 11 16:08:12 shit, india won A GOLD!! Aug 11 16:11:45 Which sport? Aug 11 16:12:26 marbling ;) Aug 11 16:12:32 jasta: I can definitely see how apple producing a similar application to five will give the project a major boost, but wrt your comments on prior art, it's surprising how hard it can be to find prior art that invalidates every violating clause and which falls before the priority date. Aug 11 16:12:38 ouch Aug 11 16:13:04 tomgibara: perhaps, but there are other commercial applications doing this Aug 11 16:13:04 I would guess cricket. Aug 11 16:13:05 see orb.com Aug 11 16:14:26 tomgibara: also, spirnt has some service doing this going on right now. Aug 11 16:16:18 dmoffett: air rifle Aug 11 16:16:27 Yep Aug 11 16:16:50 20/20 might be included next olympics Aug 11 16:18:16 SILVER for Germany :) (duo-high-diving) Aug 11 16:18:29 That's not a sport. :-) Aug 11 16:19:42 I mean this: http://www.muenster.org/la-nachwuchs/turmspringen.jpg :D Aug 11 16:20:23 Hey that guys looks American! No way he is German. :-) Aug 11 16:20:49 maybe he's from the A-Team Aug 11 16:20:50 ... Aug 11 16:20:53 jasta: Well, I can't seem to locate the patent at the uspto website. It all depends on the claims and definitions. There's nothing more to say until I can read the patent application. Aug 11 16:21:10 there are definitely some dubious sports there Aug 11 16:21:19 a lot of the guys in the shooting sports have beer bellies Aug 11 16:21:56 what would india win gold for? Aug 11 16:22:24 davidw: just like baseball :) Aug 11 16:22:29 Imo if there are judges that determine the score then the sport is suspect. Aug 11 16:22:47 romainguy, amazingly, even more than baseball Aug 11 16:22:52 dmoffett, yeah, that too Aug 11 16:22:57 davidw: Having more mass, you can stand still better :D Aug 11 16:23:32 davidw: I was at a baseball game yesterday... now I remember why I avoided going for the past 8 years Aug 11 16:24:10 romainguy, you didn't have enough beer, probably Aug 11 16:24:30 I'm pretty sure I don't have to watch a boring game to drink beer ^^ Aug 11 16:24:41 did anyone see that swimming relay..... damn that was intense Aug 11 16:24:41 romainguy, the point of baseball is to go hang out with friends, eat and drink beer. Once in a while everyone looks at the field because something happened Aug 11 16:25:00 davidw: I guess I'd rather do that somewhere else Aug 11 16:25:00 baseball is a pathetic sport :) Aug 11 16:25:04 I agree that it's pretty boring though Aug 11 16:25:18 [18:24:58] davidw: I guess I'd rather do that somewhere else <- me too. like bars Aug 11 16:25:32 that was some swimming relay last night :) Aug 11 16:25:43 a sport in which stats of 30% hit rates is considered good looks very wrong to me Aug 11 16:25:55 michaelnovakjr: i think a gal i went to high school with is doing a swimming relay Aug 11 16:25:56 we took my Italian parents-in-law to a baseball game last year and they had fun, although I don't think they ever really caught on to the rules Aug 11 16:26:10 romainguy, compare with 90 minutes and no goals:-/ Aug 11 16:26:17 the olympics being in china pissed me off so much i started researching the olympic committee Aug 11 16:26:19 at least they're running and trying :)) Aug 11 16:26:35 yakischloba: the guys relay was intense.... Aug 11 16:27:19 hmm. i sure don't know much about any sports other than cycling. i was reading about the track and field events on wikipedia last night. Aug 11 16:27:20 the french were just stunned Aug 11 16:27:34 cycling +1 Aug 11 16:27:51 poor Rebellin... the guy has a lock on second place Aug 11 16:28:34 yeah Aug 11 16:28:45 anyway, turns out the olympics were also held in Nazi germany in the 30s Aug 11 16:28:52 i'm more interested in the TT on wednesday Aug 11 16:28:57 so apparently the olympic committee just simply doesn't care about these issues Aug 11 16:28:58 36 jasta Aug 11 16:29:02 see what cancellara does ;) Aug 11 16:29:10 jasta: that's pretty well known Aug 11 16:29:44 romainguy_: well i didn't know it, but it does put some perspective on how the olympics wound up in China now Aug 11 16:29:51 and also why i'm not going to watch the olympics any more Aug 11 16:30:14 I think one wouldn't watch it because coverage in the US is always such shit Aug 11 16:30:30 Way to much gymnastics. Aug 11 16:30:53 you would think that is all that is going on. Aug 11 16:30:56 davidw: I now regret my decision to not have TV at home :)) Aug 11 16:30:57 did you know: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2534499/Beijing-Olympic-2008-opening-ceremony-giant-firework-footprints-faked.html Aug 11 16:35:01 Still bringing the world together is a great thing and just like any human endeavor is flawed. Aug 11 16:54:06 plusminus_: interesting link Aug 11 16:57:04 zhobbs: I'm interested what else is faked... Aug 11 16:58:19 just seeing on public (serious)tv: "Officially all tickets to all competitions are sold, but most of the time the places are filled half..." Aug 11 17:01:51 ha Aug 11 17:02:26 its all about manipulation... Aug 11 17:02:33 let me give you an example... Aug 11 17:03:09 romainguy_: morrildl: you WANT to make a public sdk! Aug 11 17:03:56 all sdk's are public, just not readily available for download Aug 11 17:04:36 ? Aug 11 17:04:47 that's google.cn's comment on the sdk's Aug 11 17:04:57 ^^ Aug 11 17:10:07 youre free to say whatever you want on irc. unless you dont want to die. Aug 11 17:13:31 bye Aug 11 17:24:41 is this room about the android phone? Aug 11 17:25:16 currently it is about the olympics Aug 11 17:25:17 :) Aug 11 17:25:34 this is about the android mobile platform :) Aug 11 17:26:25 kdubois: if you're looking for news about the phone, check /dev/urandom. if you need help developing for android, you're in the right place :) Aug 11 17:35:33 jasta_: isn't it a little early for lunch? Aug 11 17:35:38 not at lunch Aug 11 17:35:49 Has anyone compiled a list of android capable phones? Emulated or otherwise. If so could someone please refer me the link as I'm having trouble finding a resource. Aug 11 17:35:58 just using your phone for fun? ;) Aug 11 17:35:58 yakischloba: im just getting ready with backlog Aug 11 17:36:17 lol Aug 11 17:37:26 maybe we could release a big CGI mockup of the SDK and developers would be fooled ;) Aug 11 17:47:50 jasta, i did cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, i dont think it tuned into the android news channel correctly though... Aug 11 17:47:53 ;) Aug 11 17:48:28 kdubois: I bet it did, actually. Aug 11 17:50:37 morrildl, having a web version would be kind of neat Aug 11 17:50:46 davidw: yeah we've kicked that around Aug 11 17:50:53 a flash mockup of the UI or something Aug 11 17:52:05 http://www.microemu.org/demo.html Aug 11 17:52:08 something like this Aug 11 17:56:31 davidw: neat Aug 11 18:05:42 you know what would be even better? :-) Aug 11 18:06:24 * tethridge waits for someone to beat him to the punchline of "an updated sdk". Aug 11 18:06:38 not funny :( Aug 11 18:11:47 tethridge, Microsoft released Visual Studio SP1 today.... that's sort of like an updated sdk Aug 11 18:11:58 hahaha Aug 11 18:12:07 only if you work with Windows Aug 11 18:12:16 :) Aug 11 18:12:35 * tethridge goes back to coding Java in Eclipse Aug 11 18:21:24 * michaelnovakjr hits tethridge over the head for coding Java at such a time! Aug 11 18:21:42 ouch Aug 11 18:21:57 it's ok. It's for work, which has nothing to do with Android Aug 11 18:23:24 all use of java and eclipse must be boycotted until a new android sdk is released! Aug 11 18:23:30 strike! Aug 11 18:23:58 strike is right! Aug 11 18:24:08 * michaelnovakjr puts on his striking shoes. Aug 11 18:26:54 i sure cant wait to get an android phone in my pocket. im tired of carrying around this winmo phone that i dont use beyond its phone functionality Aug 11 18:44:03 yakischloba: i feel the same way about my openmoko phone... Aug 11 18:45:21 kdubois: that channel sure is hoppin for not having a working deal yet Aug 11 18:46:01 you're telling me, all ive wanted to do since i got it is make a workable media player for it Aug 11 18:46:05 I think that for our strike to be effective, we would have to stop coming into this irc channel Aug 11 18:46:14 tethridge: where would we gripe?.. Aug 11 18:46:26 tethridge: and what would we do all day? work? Aug 11 18:46:37 maybe even start a website where we add pictures of former android developers that have gone out and bought iPhones Aug 11 18:46:41 but there's like 4 distributions for it, and some will just fall off the face of the earth some day soon, but no one knows which ones will last Aug 11 18:46:41 tethridge: we'd be on strike, so we'd have 4x the amount of time to kill.. Aug 11 18:47:03 kdubois: yeah thats the weird part. a lot of people but everyone is doing their own thing. Aug 11 18:47:14 kdubois: so no one is getting much of anywhere as I see it Aug 11 18:47:59 but they have an up to date sdk! Aug 11 18:48:07 * tethridge fires off a rim shot Aug 11 18:49:52 kdubois: i wanted to pick one up because I think its a great project, but really I'm not interested in doing a ton of hacking just so I can make calls and SMS Aug 11 18:50:32 i bought one under the impression that i'd have a workable phone for daily use that i can whip up pygtk apps on quickly Aug 11 18:50:57 so my free phone from my provider is now my main phone :P Aug 11 18:56:28 what's openmoko's api like? Aug 11 18:56:30 what language? Aug 11 18:56:44 don't they have 2 or 3 UI toolkits? Aug 11 19:13:16 it seems like the support is flaky Aug 11 19:13:36 all i'd need it to do is work on my phone and i'd be all set Aug 11 20:08:31 good morning guys :) Aug 11 20:08:53 morning. Aug 11 20:10:39 though its 1pm here :) Aug 11 20:11:05 and 4pm here :) Aug 11 20:11:20 Jasta do you have an idea why the icons in this layout are not centered. (the whole relative layout) http://rafb.net/p/byzA0173.html - It looks like this: http://img.skitch.com/20080811-tajq82ndh4ugnrkeks756ha4b4.jpg Aug 11 20:11:30 haha well in Germany it's 22 pm :D Aug 11 20:11:45 and thats morning to you? Aug 11 20:11:53 anno^da_: you still have a margin set Aug 11 20:12:28 the margins of the image view ? Aug 11 20:13:25 I havent set a margin except the distances between the icons Aug 11 20:13:52 anno^da_: because your RelativeLayout is wrap_content Aug 11 20:14:09 you need to put android:layout_gravity="center_horizontal" on your RelativeLayout Aug 11 20:14:51 What should the height and width be ? fill_parent or wrap_content. I had fill_parent then someone here told me to use wrap_content :) Aug 11 20:15:02 fill_parent for the width Aug 11 20:15:08 er no Aug 11 20:15:10 sorry Aug 11 20:15:12 wrap_content is good Aug 11 20:15:15 hmm :) Aug 11 20:15:22 but use the layout_gravity I just gave you Aug 11 20:15:28 it should be centered in vertical range Aug 11 20:15:33 not glue at the top Aug 11 20:15:40 ah vertically? Aug 11 20:15:43 I thought you wanted horizontally Aug 11 20:16:06 then you can't do it with M5, at least not this way Aug 11 20:16:19 or not without centering the bottom TextView as well Aug 11 20:16:29 ah ok Aug 11 20:18:53 will it be possible in the next SDK (well ok you cant talk about it :D) Aug 11 20:20:20 anno^da_: yes it will Aug 11 20:20:26 Thanks. Aug 11 20:20:31 in the meantime you can wrap your RelativeLayout into another LinearLayout Aug 11 20:20:41