**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 16 02:59:56 2008 Aug 16 05:08:53 is it sep 17? Aug 16 05:28:19 no? Aug 16 05:29:14 when? Aug 16 05:29:34 oh. Stupid wifi cut out, I missed what you were talking about ;) Aug 16 05:30:01 the gphone launch - is it sep 17? Aug 16 05:30:02 it looked like you were questioning todays date Aug 16 05:30:11 No idea. sorry Aug 16 05:30:20 haha Aug 16 05:31:49 public sdk - next week? Aug 16 05:32:01 wouldnt that be nice Aug 16 05:32:21 yeah Aug 16 05:33:08 yeah, this all dropped pretty fast. i don't know what to make of it. Aug 16 05:33:26 yup, too many stuff happening now Aug 16 05:33:50 it still just sounds like unsubstantiated rumors like before, but it does seem like a big, heavy machine is gearing up. Aug 16 05:34:07 looks like goog and oha have figured out a schedule Aug 16 05:34:55 exciting times, none-the-less. Aug 16 05:35:23 agree Aug 16 05:35:39 jasta: are you gearing up 5? Aug 16 05:35:49 a general social network question.. Aug 16 05:36:00 does orkut, facebook et al.. let 3rd party tools to search their network? Aug 16 05:36:08 muthu: i'm thinking about it, for sure. Aug 16 05:36:12 i want to finish my game though Aug 16 05:36:19 i'm adding animations and junk to it now. Aug 16 05:36:23 right, now the launch is so close.. Aug 16 05:36:29 the apps better be ready ;) Aug 16 05:36:52 well, it'll still be tricky to launch with Google not telling us much Aug 16 05:36:55 but yeah. Aug 16 05:38:00 what's the best way to build content for social network sites? Aug 16 05:38:16 is there an opensocial network somewhere? Aug 16 05:42:14 orkut might be more open.. Aug 16 05:42:28 need to access the user information though Aug 16 05:43:43 morrildl: lot of exciting news lately.. Aug 16 05:44:40 looks like the public sdk is coming soon Aug 16 05:49:11 and gphone in sep.. cool! Aug 16 05:51:40 i'm gonna be in ireland september :) Aug 16 05:53:35 muthu: there is no gphone Aug 16 05:54:10 i know, its the android phone Aug 16 05:54:41 it's /an/ Android phone ;) Aug 16 05:54:42 haha.. so sep is right ;) Aug 16 05:54:51 I can't comment on dates :) Aug 16 05:55:06 looks like you folks are back in action :)) Aug 16 05:55:16 oh, we've been in action Aug 16 05:55:28 the "visibile" action.. that is Aug 16 05:55:36 arghh... visible Aug 16 05:55:41 Fair enough. :) Aug 16 05:56:16 now i need to really work overtime to get my apps ready Aug 16 05:58:05 user generated content is sooo tricky Aug 16 05:58:34 how can you get content when you launch? Aug 16 05:59:13 how did myspace, facebook, orkut etc., appeal to the early users? Aug 16 05:59:23 muthu: difficult questions Aug 16 05:59:29 right Aug 16 05:59:35 i'm stuck in that.. Aug 16 05:59:58 thinking of pluggin to orkut Aug 16 06:00:15 but not sure how open that is Aug 16 06:01:31 muthu: yeah... FriendConnect I think might be useful Aug 16 06:01:49 cool.. checking it now Aug 16 06:02:05 i'm basically looking for some content for mobeegal Aug 16 06:02:39 http://www.google.com/friendconnect/home/moreinfo Aug 16 06:02:55 thx Aug 16 06:02:59 when's adc2? Aug 16 06:03:03 the problem with friendconnect is that I am not sure if there's any implementation other than a JavaScript version. Aug 16 06:03:10 oh oh Aug 16 06:03:13 I know they are working on the REST APIs for this sort of thing Aug 16 06:03:17 but I don't know the status Aug 16 06:03:33 yeah, REST is required to do any meaningful queries Aug 16 06:03:34 drop me an email if you like and I'll see if I can make a connection to someone on that team for you Aug 16 06:03:42 sure Aug 16 06:03:55 mobeegal really needs some content to work with Aug 16 06:04:04 i'll post a email to you this weekend Aug 16 06:07:05 if friendconnect lets me use the content, then that would be a great start Aug 16 06:09:15 even just google talk profiles will do Aug 16 06:10:29 wow.. gtalk might be a nice option Aug 16 06:10:56 since i read somewhere gtalk is expanding as a social network on its own Aug 16 06:17:18 * muthu signs up for FriendConnect Aug 16 06:18:50 muthu: where did you see that? Aug 16 06:18:54 (about gtalk) Aug 16 06:19:09 it was in one of the google blog, if i remember right Aug 16 06:19:25 may be the official gtalk blog Aug 16 06:25:16 muthu: you mean this? http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/06/google-talk-is-social-network.html Aug 16 06:26:21 yes Aug 16 06:28:00 morrildl: sent a mail reg friendconnect.. check it out Aug 16 06:31:13 muthu: got it, and replied Aug 16 06:31:21 ok, thx Aug 16 06:40:53 whassup swetland Aug 16 06:41:33 'evening Aug 16 06:44:51 hi davidw Aug 16 06:46:11 'morning Aug 16 06:59:40 bedtime y'all Aug 16 06:59:42 see ya Aug 16 07:00:45 yo Aug 16 07:03:10 yoyo Aug 16 07:45:50 romainguy: kind of a long shot but i dont suppose you have any recommendations for a good "blocky" font? where the ratio of width to height on the letters is mostly square, and where at least all uppercase letters are the same height? Aug 16 07:46:27 i want to use it to draw the card rank in my solitaire game... Aug 16 08:06:37 good morning guys Aug 16 08:06:51 lol Aug 16 11:42:38 has someone worked with the MediaRecorder combined with a Camera Preview ? Aug 16 11:42:46 in M5 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 16 12:47:49 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 16 12:48:14 2008 Aug 16 13:27:43 ohhh I hate the layout. :) Are there some bugs with setting views visible and gone ? Aug 16 14:38:53 I got a problem with a surface view in my layout. I use the surface view for a Camera Preview. I'm adding the preview in code with "linear.addView(preview,0, new LinearLayout.LayoutParams(LinearLayout.LayoutParams.WRAP_CONTENT, LinearLayout.LayoutParams.WRAP_CONTENT)); Aug 16 14:39:04 ". The layout file looks like this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/gE0SUPwidwKYbvhCxeID/ . Why do I have nearly 20px free Space between the button and the preview? http://img.skitch.com/20080816-gk9ciu3tddh6k3p5g5gfrq8dwy.jpg Aug 16 14:44:32 anno^da_: set the surface view dimens from the layout dimens Aug 16 14:48:47 mmh well at the moment the surface view (preview camera) dimensions are hardcodet to 320*240 could that cause the problem ? Aug 16 14:51:00 Now I did "surfaceHolder.setSizeFromLayout();" in the surface view and get the followig result: http://img.skitch.com/20080816-b76fxewwrrdutwnif729526n1a.jpg Aug 16 14:54:50 So I don't really know why the whole thing consumes so much space. Aug 16 14:57:15 get the width and height from the source and set it on surface view Aug 16 15:04:09 Oh my godness I'm so damn fucked up.... Aug 16 15:05:10 I maybe should have had a look at the GoogleMaps-TOS before developing AndNav ( http://www.andnav.org/ ) Aug 16 15:06:05 Well the source is the camera and I'm setting the output resolution for the cam by myself. (I'm just following the example from the API demos). Aug 16 15:06:11 @ muthu Aug 16 15:09:30 plusminus_: what's the problem? Aug 16 15:10:06 anno^da_: when we set mediaplayer for example, we get the dimens from mp and set it on sv Aug 16 15:10:09 it restricts an application of giving turn-by-turn directions o_O Aug 16 15:10:17 oh Aug 16 15:10:18 what is 100% of what I am doing Aug 16 15:10:23 *DANCE* Aug 16 15:10:40 may be you can talk with goog Aug 16 15:10:57 sent a mail to a Android Advocate,describing my problem Aug 16 15:11:50 goog might work something out Aug 16 15:11:51 I've stopped breathing from that second... Aug 16 15:12:10 if not, I'll be searching for a high bridge o_O Aug 16 15:12:21 yeah.. content is very hard to get Aug 16 15:21:47 haha next world record in the 100m finals Aug 16 15:22:00 doping all around *laughing* Aug 16 15:37:50 muthu Aug 16 15:37:54 I got it working now Aug 16 15:38:08 great.. what you did? Aug 16 15:38:38 gay did not qualify right? Aug 16 15:38:58 I had an animation on the whole layout. And the animation wasnt ready at the point I'm adding the Preview in code. Aug 16 15:39:29 who's winning 100m? Aug 16 15:39:55 So the only solution for that is to include the preview directly into the xml file. (which didnt work last time :( ) Aug 16 15:39:58 Bolt won the 100m Aug 16 15:40:04 in 9.69 Aug 16 15:40:13 wow! Aug 16 15:40:53 Bolt slowed down after 80m because he was about 4 meters leading o_O Aug 16 15:40:57 yeah Aug 16 15:41:21 But to be honest I dont believe these world records Aug 16 15:41:38 hm, he's taller than the others Aug 16 15:41:42 longer legs Aug 16 15:41:45 more meters/step Aug 16 15:42:03 why did he slow down? should've gone full speed Aug 16 15:42:08 Well ok but the other guys in the past had been tall as well :) Aug 16 15:42:19 maybe to get another world record later on ;) Aug 16 15:42:25 the US dominance is gone! Aug 16 15:42:51 haha yeah the us do(ping)minance ;) Aug 16 15:42:58 hehe Aug 16 15:43:38 I really want to believe these world records but the last years made me very sceptical. Aug 16 15:43:51 doesn't have Germany more gold-medals than the U.S. ? Aug 16 15:44:01 (only if we exclude Phels from the US :D) Aug 16 15:49:22 phelps is superhuman Aug 16 15:49:40 7th is not a world record, right? Aug 16 15:53:08 don't think so Aug 16 17:43:29 I don't think the doping is only the US. Aug 16 17:43:38 Look at the Tour de France. Aug 16 17:44:45 US teams were invited to the Tour because of the teams stance on doping. Aug 16 17:46:29 dmoffett: Well I know that. I dont say it is just the US that use doping. In every country they use doping. Aug 16 17:49:14 Could someone tell me why the VideoView is sitting behin all objects all the time. I'm using a FrameLayout and use an overlay on top of which I'm rendering different things. Buttons, TextViews work perfectly on top of the overlay. Just the VideoView lies behind the objects that are under the overlay. :/ Aug 16 17:51:03 plusminus is your best bet. I always go to his site for help. Aug 16 17:52:56 whos doping Aug 16 21:09:54 is it possible to change the src of an ImageView by code ? Aug 16 21:10:27 I havent found a method to do it. Otherwise I have to setup 4 imagviews and hide/unhide them Aug 16 21:29:48 what does setImageURI and setImageResource do? Aug 16 21:32:04 oohnvm Aug 16 21:37:51 anof course, setImage* Aug 16 21:37:57 err, he left. Aug 16 21:38:06 and haavi already answered, nevermind :) Aug 16 23:09:12 romainguy, romainguy__: ping Aug 16 23:49:31 big news up on slashdot Aug 16 23:49:47 debian/arm now up on openmoko Aug 17 00:18:13 howdy Aug 17 00:22:46 howdy Aug 17 00:23:08 whats up Aug 17 00:23:42 Nothing but the rent my man. Aug 17 00:23:48 You? Aug 17 00:23:58 doing some work Aug 17 00:24:21 interesting? Aug 17 00:24:58 eh, nothing android related Aug 17 00:25:32 Java related? Aug 17 00:26:26 nopre Aug 17 00:26:30 c++ Aug 17 00:26:41 anything interesting there then? Aug 17 00:26:59 C++ is where all the cool kids hang Aug 17 00:27:03 i'm writing a compiler Aug 17 00:27:25 in C++? Aug 17 00:27:31 Hardcore man, are you defining a language? Aug 17 00:27:38 Or parsing something? Aug 17 00:28:01 I wrote a language once Aug 17 00:28:07 writing a C/C++ compiler Aug 17 00:28:28 not for any other purpose than to learn from writing one Aug 17 00:28:34 That would be pretty cool. A worthy hard graft. Aug 17 00:28:35 it was called engCode Aug 17 00:29:00 sayers: i was thinking of writing a language, i still might... Aug 17 00:29:15 michaelnovakjr__, I was joking though :) Aug 17 00:29:45 what kind of language Aug 17 00:30:21 no idea, its a far off idea :) Aug 17 00:30:31 Have you seen this, it could give you some good ideas: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/abc.html Aug 17 00:31:15 At work my friend has been running coding Dojos, at the last one we all picked an obscure language and then wrote a simple game in 2hours. Aug 17 00:31:19 Was fun Aug 17 00:31:27 We picked our languages from that list Aug 17 00:31:36 michaelnovakjr__, I take it u know about ANTLR? Aug 17 00:32:37 yea, i'm not using it though Aug 17 00:33:09 chomchom, shouldnt you should be picking language paradigms instead of languages Aug 17 00:33:13 aaaigh Aug 17 00:33:23 s/ you should /should Aug 17 00:33:31 I don't know, should I? Aug 17 00:33:54 chomchom, so man languages are so similiar imo Aug 17 00:34:02 Yes Aug 17 00:34:09 and if they are different Aug 17 00:34:12 they are silly :D Aug 17 00:34:24 i seem to be having some seriously typing illiteracy again today. Im hoping this is my wireless keyboard. Aug 17 00:34:52 Thats true, we just picked them and then ran with what we knew. If you don't know then using the language is the best way to learn Aug 17 00:34:57 is your bling getting in the way gambler? Aug 17 00:35:16 damn u perceptive dog Aug 17 00:35:27 Its nice using a language you don't know and then identifying th ecommon bits Aug 17 00:35:31 my gun is on my desk too Aug 17 00:35:37 i bet Aug 17 00:35:42 and then getting a moment of clarity when you learn a new bit Aug 17 00:35:45 gambler, what kind :D ? Aug 17 00:37:17 steyr M9 Aug 17 00:37:43 its mostly a fashion / coffee table accessory Aug 17 00:37:59 gambler: is a straight up gansta Aug 17 00:38:11 * michaelnovakjr__ shakes in my boots Aug 17 00:39:45 Well we are a nice mixing of cultures from around the world joint in progging Aug 17 00:39:49 I'm straight up scottish Aug 17 00:39:55 With my cuppa tea Aug 17 00:40:03 and my slippers Aug 17 00:40:14 ...so cool man Aug 17 00:40:32 gambler: i picture the movie malibu's most wanted Aug 17 00:41:02 haha Aug 17 00:41:48 good evening everyone Aug 17 00:42:18 good of the eve Aug 17 00:42:20 Dougie187: i was just saying how gambler reminds me of Malibu's most wanted Aug 17 00:42:49 Gambler? Aug 17 00:43:05 gambler: reveal yourself Aug 17 00:43:16 whats Malibu's most wanted? Aug 17 00:43:24 * gambler quietly throws some dice in the corner Aug 17 00:43:35 whats with the all the ad hominem today michaelnovakjr__ ? Aug 17 00:43:59 :) Aug 17 00:44:06 you play much halo lately? Aug 17 00:44:11 or just the GTA3? Aug 17 00:44:13 i mean 4 Aug 17 00:44:50 just some gta4 recently Aug 17 00:45:01 well a little while ago. Aug 17 00:45:11 its been like a week at least since we discussed it last. Aug 17 00:45:42 you still playing it though? Aug 17 00:45:47 yea Aug 17 00:45:52 nm about what i was saying. lol Aug 17 00:46:02 i just re-read what you said and realized i read it wrong to begin with. Aug 17 00:46:26 I haven't even touched my xbox in a while. Aug 17 00:46:32 have you tried any of the new arcade games? Aug 17 00:46:37 like Geometry wars 2? Aug 17 00:47:39 nope Aug 17 00:47:42 debian is 15 today? Aug 17 00:47:44 i wrote up a small one Aug 17 00:49:53 yahoo zimbra will be accessible to ubuntu users? Aug 17 00:50:21 ? Aug 17 00:50:29 http://www.ubuntu.com/news/zimbra-desktop Aug 17 00:50:36 i run a zimbra server Aug 17 00:51:11 oh yea, their desktop client app Aug 17 00:51:25 zimbra desktop is the email app for the desktop Aug 17 00:52:07 thats cool. Aug 17 00:52:21 i didnt know zimbra was a yahoo product. Aug 17 00:54:03 yahoo bought them Aug 17 00:54:16 was that long ago? Aug 17 00:54:27 not too long ago Aug 17 00:54:36 well thats cool. Aug 17 00:54:54 yea, i use it for my email.... the server is nice Aug 17 00:55:07 i have it running on CentOS, your favorite OS Aug 17 00:55:21 lol Aug 17 00:55:35 do you use the desktop client too? Aug 17 00:55:52 I found CentOS too hard to use as a server Aug 17 00:56:02 I recently switched to umbuntu Aug 17 00:56:08 its really nice and easy Aug 17 00:56:24 chomchom: CentOS === RedHat Aug 17 00:56:36 its not difficult... its Linux :) Aug 17 00:56:43 chomchom, just install the EPEL packages Aug 17 00:56:50 chomchom centos sucks. Aug 17 00:56:53 its junk. Aug 17 00:57:08 Dougie187: that is a desktop perspective Aug 17 00:57:17 as a desktop Ubuntu is the best Aug 17 00:57:20 yeah I was using it on a vps Aug 17 00:57:26 true. i can't really comment on the comparison of ubuntu server vs. centos server Aug 17 00:57:36 though I wouldn't think they would be much different. Aug 17 00:57:39 just how you install things. Aug 17 00:57:47 but servers are mostly command line anyways. Aug 17 00:57:52 Dougie187: you use a server and desktop very differently Aug 17 00:57:59 Dougie187: Not Windows Server! Aug 17 00:57:59 Dougie187: exactly Aug 17 00:58:08 lol well.. windows servers are junk. Aug 17 00:58:11 Dougie187: Yeah I know. Aug 17 00:58:12 that is one thing you can compare. Aug 17 00:58:19 yeah I think I just go for an easy life, and umbuntu has a lot of fan boy tutorials that I can just lazily walk through for any config Aug 17 00:58:20 Dougie187: I have one of those too :) Aug 17 00:58:32 lol Aug 17 00:58:38 thats what i admin at work now-a-days Aug 17 00:58:39 my file server is a windows server Aug 17 00:58:44 why? Aug 17 00:58:58 i have quite a few windows machines.... and its really easy :) Aug 17 00:59:09 and Ubuntu picks them up easy as well as macs Aug 17 00:59:31 it hasn't given me any issues Aug 17 00:59:49 i use FreeBSD for my code repository servers Aug 17 01:00:32 thats one thing most linux things try to do. Aug 17 01:00:37 make it easier for people who use windows. Aug 17 01:00:44 where as MS couldnt care less. Aug 17 01:00:51 a great example is stupid silverlight. Aug 17 01:01:58 lol did you know silverlight is supposed to be cross-platform. Aug 17 01:02:52 i thought only windows and mac Aug 17 01:03:59 no they made a deal with novell to distribute their codec pack with moonlight Aug 17 01:04:08 well it says on the site cross-platform. Aug 17 01:04:10 which is retarded. Aug 17 01:04:15 yeah moonlight is like silverlight Aug 17 01:04:18 but its not out yet. Aug 17 01:04:29 and NBC's coverage of the Olympics requires silverlight Aug 17 01:05:00 Dougie187, probably only v1, which I think moonlight mostly handles now Aug 17 01:05:19 though i did have problems with their most recent firefox plugin Aug 17 01:05:19 from what i hear moonlight doesnt allow you to watch them on NBC.com Aug 17 01:05:54 its so stupid. Aug 17 01:06:15 Dougie187, your pissed that you cant watch the olympics? Aug 17 01:06:37 lol, no not the olympics in general. im pissed that i cant download the videos of people messing up. Aug 17 01:07:02 i got ya Aug 17 01:07:09 i am watching the olympics Aug 17 01:07:20 i heard this Chinese guy was doing the rings the other day and fell on his side and made this awesome face. i wanted to see it but i couldnt get the video. Aug 17 01:07:55 so you like to see people mess up and humiliate themselves Aug 17 01:07:59 lol yeah Aug 17 01:08:01 thats awesome. Aug 17 01:08:05 you must be a kindred soul Aug 17 01:08:15 especially when they are the 16 year olds who will be crushed for life after that incident. Aug 17 01:08:15 yea yo ;) Aug 17 01:08:41 i wanna see someone get hurt on the trampoline Aug 17 01:08:49 i feel like its 90% impossible. Aug 17 01:08:52 but who knows. Aug 17 01:08:57 we can onlyhope Aug 17 01:09:05 true. Aug 17 01:09:15 Do you enjoy a good fall in the olympics? Aug 17 01:09:50 i havent watched any yet Aug 17 01:10:00 too bad. Aug 17 01:10:03 i probably last watched tv about 5 years ago Aug 17 01:10:16 lies upon lies! Aug 17 01:10:22 lol well you should try to catch some of the live feeds of the olympics. Aug 17 01:10:56 chomchom, true for broadcast tv...i cherry pick all my media online now Aug 17 01:11:08 yeah me too Aug 17 01:11:31 I don't use Tv, I have a mac mini I use for media Aug 17 01:11:49 oh man, i download hd videos and watch them on our big screen. they look awesome. Aug 17 01:11:54 Dougie187, id prefer to watch something like 'Dougie187s Best Of' Aug 17 01:12:01 i just hook my laptop up to it. it is sooo cool. Aug 17 01:12:09 gambler: what do you think that would consist of? Aug 17 01:12:42 Dougie187, Chinese guy falling from the rings? Aug 17 01:12:52 oh you mean of the olympics? Aug 17 01:13:08 some guy got hurt running today. Aug 17 01:13:50 oh yeah, also... nbc.com requires Windows OS to download the videos. Aug 17 01:14:02 FAIL Aug 17 01:14:05 "Sorry, NBC Direct currently requires Windows XP (Service Pack 2) or Windows Media Center Edition or Windows Vista." Aug 17 01:14:13 I run VMware to view some stuff Aug 17 01:14:30 yeah i dont feel like going to that much trouble. ill just complain about it. Aug 17 01:14:33 Ive got a windows MCE server under my flatscreen. The only way I could get it there was to get something that didnt look like a computer Aug 17 01:14:42 Its really easy one you have an image Aug 17 01:14:53 yeah but you have to make the image first. Aug 17 01:15:00 thats what i dont feel like doing. Aug 17 01:15:02 you can download one although they are huge Aug 17 01:15:09 for xp though? Aug 17 01:15:14 yea Aug 17 01:15:32 oh. i thought you had to pay for them or something.. with xp, since its not free. Aug 17 01:15:45 Yes, well Aug 17 01:16:05 bittorrent probably would work though. Aug 17 01:16:13 :) Aug 17 01:16:45 With the likes of vmware fusion you put in your serial and it sets everything up dead quickly, you just leave it to make the image Aug 17 01:16:52 very convenient Aug 17 01:17:31 yeah but fusion is only for osx. right? Aug 17 01:17:55 Yeah it might be, thats what I'm using. I'm sure there will be an equivelant Aug 17 01:18:20 yea Aug 17 01:18:22 well fusion has been out for like... 2 years? Aug 17 01:18:24 something like that. Aug 17 01:18:46 fusion is cool though. Aug 17 01:19:45 hows it going morrildl? Aug 17 01:23:21 Dougie187: i'm going iPhone shopping in September Aug 17 01:23:44 sad panda. Aug 17 01:23:51 you are retiring your android dreams? Aug 17 01:24:03 basically Aug 17 01:24:19 thats sad. Aug 17 01:24:22 Oh really? Thats awful news. Aug 17 01:24:23 so you are also switching to spring? Aug 17 01:24:28 i mean att Aug 17 01:24:34 yea Aug 17 01:24:47 what made you decide to do that? Aug 17 01:24:57 i mean from the commercials, i would assume the iphone is only good for work. Aug 17 01:25:16 i saw lots of the apps on their and well they look better than what i've seen for android Aug 17 01:25:21 The iphones great man Aug 17 01:25:27 plus android management has pissed me off Aug 17 01:25:31 heh Aug 17 01:25:44 I love it, although the second edition of the software has been a step back in performance Aug 17 01:25:59 Its got all windows mobile laggy Aug 17 01:25:59 but i would be willing to bet if you put as much stock in the iphone's management as you did in android you would be equally disappointed. Aug 17 01:26:16 not really Aug 17 01:26:33 i think from a consumer point of view the iphone is great Aug 17 01:26:41 dev standpoint not so great Aug 17 01:26:49 yeah but what are you going to be? Aug 17 01:26:53 a dev/consumer? Aug 17 01:26:55 a consumer :) Aug 17 01:26:56 or just a consumer? Aug 17 01:27:05 i have no intentions of writing software for the iphone Aug 17 01:27:19 I'm at the mo' just a consumer for Iphone and that does me fine Aug 17 01:27:19 unless i find a need which has no software available Aug 17 01:27:36 heh Aug 17 01:27:39 well good luck with that. Aug 17 01:27:42 as a consumer my big issue with iPhone is the time it takes to switch between apps Aug 17 01:27:43 im gonna stick to android. Aug 17 01:27:47 it takes fucking forever @!# Aug 17 01:27:55 i never really got stuck to the iphone love. Aug 17 01:28:08 I hate the fact that it lags upon pressing on a phone contact as well Aug 17 01:28:08 and the firmware 2.0 is definitely slower and very buggy :(( Aug 17 01:28:14 romainguy, i guess that is because you are starting the app each time? Aug 17 01:28:15 i played with them a couple of times, and never thought they were all that great. Aug 17 01:28:16 chomchom: yes that's very annoying too Aug 17 01:28:22 michaelnovakjr__: yes, in part Aug 17 01:28:27 michaelnovakjr__: the long animations don't help either Aug 17 01:28:31 true Aug 17 01:28:47 i'm not an animation fan Aug 17 01:28:50 it is a great product, but I find it sometimes annoying to use heavily during a day Aug 17 01:29:05 i never thought it was that great. Aug 17 01:29:11 the worse is when you play a game and you hear a notification and you switch to your email for instance Aug 17 01:29:14 sure its flashy and cool, like 90% of what apple does. Aug 17 01:29:18 going back to the game is sloooow Aug 17 01:29:19 but eh. Aug 17 01:29:22 yeah, I'm really surprised how much they've dropped the ball with this software. There must be a whole load of third party problems for so much performance to be lost. Aug 17 01:29:42 In their primary stuff, and the fact that they haven't focused on it Aug 17 01:29:46 also updating the firmware is very annoying Aug 17 01:29:54 having to copy all your music again every time... Aug 17 01:29:56 did you jailbreak yours? Aug 17 01:30:09 i use a phone to check email and text message Aug 17 01:30:11 I did at first Aug 17 01:30:14 but it was unstable Aug 17 01:30:15 No, everyone else I know did though Aug 17 01:30:19 and most apps were not interesting Aug 17 01:30:27 so I stopped jailbreaking Aug 17 01:30:29 there has been less reason too since the apps Aug 17 01:30:35 yeah Aug 17 01:30:39 the lastfm app is sweet Aug 17 01:30:44 yeah Aug 17 01:30:49 there are very few apps I use anyway Aug 17 01:30:55 most are games Aug 17 01:30:55 Dougie187: hi Aug 17 01:30:58 then it's AIM Aug 17 01:31:00 hows it going dan? Aug 17 01:31:01 hey morrildl :) Aug 17 01:31:02 Guess I jumped in in the middle of a conversation Aug 17 01:31:06 For me the Iphone is a great email and book reader Aug 17 01:31:07 :) Aug 17 01:31:14 hi romainguy Aug 17 01:31:20 chomchom: a good book reader is a book reader, not a phone :p Aug 17 01:31:22 i read rss, lastfm, sms and email Aug 17 01:31:29 both are killer features I would by individually Aug 17 01:31:30 for reading books, I prefer... books :) Aug 17 01:31:35 Yeah me too Aug 17 01:31:36 morrildl: that too :) Aug 17 01:31:36 yea electronic books i find annoying Aug 17 01:31:44 but not always practical Aug 17 01:31:46 true dat. Aug 17 01:31:48 morrildl: I said that because I have a Sony ebook reader Aug 17 01:31:50 ebooks hurt my eyes. Aug 17 01:31:52 it's surprisingly good Aug 17 01:31:59 very handy for travels Aug 17 01:32:05 (and google shuttle ;-) Aug 17 01:32:10 the pdf reader is at least as good as the sony equivelant book reader Aug 17 01:32:11 yea gives me a headache Aug 17 01:32:20 not nearly as nice an experience as the kindle Aug 17 01:32:21 i always have to print out what i want to read. Aug 17 01:32:23 and then read it. Aug 17 01:32:26 chomchom: except that the screen on a ebook reader is much better Aug 17 01:32:30 but a darn sight more asthetic Aug 17 01:32:30 its also easier to take notes on.. Aug 17 01:32:33 Dougie187: i'm the same way Aug 17 01:33:20 i have an ebook of Numerical Recipes 3rd Edition though, and theres no way im printing that out. Aug 17 01:33:23 its like 1300 pages. Aug 17 01:33:46 im just going to buy it at some point. Aug 17 01:33:52 i enjoy reading an actual book Aug 17 01:34:31 The past two books I've started reading on the train in the morning on my iphone, I've ended up buying Aug 17 01:34:42 So I guess it works out well Aug 17 01:35:49 well... Aug 17 01:35:56 wouldn't that mean you bought it twice? Aug 17 01:36:18 lol Aug 17 01:36:36 i actually just bought a new book. Aug 17 01:36:50 Me too, what are you reading? Aug 17 01:36:51 good ol' Numerical Mathematics. Aug 17 01:36:59 how about you? Aug 17 01:37:10 Manning, Ruby for Rails Aug 17 01:37:19 mines Quarteroni Aug 17 01:37:22 as opposed to Numerical English? Aug 17 01:37:32 Ruby BLOWS!! Aug 17 01:37:34 i think book 37 in the yellow book series. Aug 17 01:37:44 uh oh, it's the Ruby throwdown Aug 17 01:37:49 i just finished reading Steve Wozniak's book Aug 17 01:38:03 michaelnovakjr__:silly boy Aug 17 01:38:04 * morrildl puts his arms out to the sides, pushing people back, making space for the fight Aug 17 01:38:07 might as well just throw in some other languages to get them stomped on as well. Aug 17 01:38:07 lol Aug 17 01:38:26 Ruby creator said it has no bugs Aug 17 01:38:31 and he meant it! Aug 17 01:38:42 everything was intended Aug 17 01:38:48 michaelnovakjr__: how is the numerical english book? Aug 17 01:39:22 :) Aug 17 01:39:46 that good? Aug 17 01:40:17 that comment before was sarcastic :) Aug 17 01:40:26 no way. Aug 17 01:40:36 i couldnt tell at all. Aug 17 01:40:41 usually that stuff doesnt get by me. Aug 17 01:41:00 haha Aug 17 01:41:04 ;) Aug 17 01:41:29 omg im bored. Aug 17 01:41:41 i can't believe there is nothing to do on a saturday night. Aug 17 01:41:47 i guess its alright for fighting. Aug 17 01:41:50 * morrildl sighs Aug 17 01:42:08 olympics are on :) Aug 17 01:42:19 as long as its not stupid beach volley ball. Aug 17 01:42:47 Dougie187: would smart beach volleyball be acceptable? Aug 17 01:42:54 slightly. Aug 17 01:43:07 Dougie187: women's beach volleyball is not stupid :) Aug 17 01:43:14 i think all of it is stupid. Aug 17 01:43:27 especially when i have to hear my grandpa tell me the women have great asses. Aug 17 01:43:28 no way Aug 17 01:43:34 haha Aug 17 01:43:38 i think its disappointing that its part of the olympics. Aug 17 01:43:45 they already have real volleyball. Aug 17 01:43:56 why do they need its cousin for drunk people at the beach? Aug 17 01:44:03 yea, but its awesome Aug 17 01:44:14 i disagree. Aug 17 01:44:21 i enjoy women's beach volleyball..... not men's though... i don't care about that Aug 17 01:45:05 i dont like either. Aug 17 01:45:09 its a waste of time. Aug 17 01:45:33 if you like watching women in bathing suits that much just go to the actual beach. Aug 17 01:45:46 :) Aug 17 01:45:58 then they are real. and you could potentially speak to one of them. Aug 17 01:46:04 i don't think NY beaches are like FLA beaches Aug 17 01:46:08 lol Aug 17 01:46:19 well you can always come down to FLA Aug 17 01:46:25 drive over to Panama City. Aug 17 01:46:28 true Aug 17 01:47:34 and shooting Aug 17 01:47:39 thats another one i dont think should be a game. Aug 17 01:47:54 i think anything that typically includes beer should not be in the olympics. Aug 17 01:48:11 haha Aug 17 01:48:43 thats my opinion though. Aug 17 01:49:08 i haven't met too many people who agree with me. Aug 17 01:49:22 though i have met a lot of women who think the dress code for beach volleyball is unfair. Aug 17 01:50:50 anyways. Aug 17 01:50:53 so whats new michaelnovakjr__? Aug 17 01:50:59 besides your iphone love? Aug 17 01:51:30 not much Aug 17 01:52:17 messing around writing a compiler Aug 17 01:52:24 for what? Aug 17 01:52:29 shits and giggles Aug 17 01:52:38 yeah but what's it compile? Aug 17 01:52:44 oh c/c++ Aug 17 01:52:55 sounds like fun. Aug 17 01:53:00 its interesting Aug 17 01:53:10 why dont you take a compilers class? Aug 17 01:53:24 i might Aug 17 01:54:54 i might try to make creme brulee tomorrow. Aug 17 01:55:08 nice Aug 17 01:55:14 i love me some creme brulee. Aug 17 01:55:19 that stuff is awesome Aug 17 01:55:26 :) Aug 17 01:56:22 are you a creme brulee fan? Aug 17 01:57:15 indeed Aug 17 01:58:40 i just saw the marathon Aug 17 01:58:47 coming in fourth must suck badly Aug 17 01:58:58 26 miles later, and 4th place Aug 17 01:59:43 true. Aug 17 01:59:51 that would be sad. Aug 17 02:01:18 damnit Aug 17 02:01:22 Now I want some creme brulee Aug 17 02:01:26 THANKS A LOT Aug 17 02:02:01 * ttuttle starts a rumor that ADC participants got free creme brulee. Aug 17 02:03:11 * michaelnovakjr__ starts a rumor that sept 17 android phones are going to be released on tmobile. Aug 17 02:03:38 * ttuttle keeps his mouth shut, as he's still under NDA until the phones come out. Aug 17 02:04:01 But OH MAN I CAN'T WAIT! Aug 17 02:04:22 from the leak online it looks like a sidekick 4 imho Aug 17 02:04:33 f00f-: Which leak? Aug 17 02:04:54 f00f-: The Youtube video? Aug 17 02:05:06 perhaps Aug 17 02:05:13 :-P Aug 17 02:06:31 * ttuttle is very excited. Aug 17 02:06:58 Android is going to be awesome. Aug 17 02:07:38 it won't be a ravolution, but we'll see. Aug 17 02:07:47 tough to beat the iphone in terms of wow-factor Aug 17 02:08:07 f00f-: Yeah, the iPhone is impressive. Aug 17 02:08:27 f00f-: But I like the (upcoming) openness of Android. Aug 17 02:08:32 ya Aug 17 02:08:35 i'm sold on the iphone :) Aug 17 02:09:12 f00f-: (I'm the kind of person who likes writing phone software for kicks, so I don't want to mess with the App Store. Also, I don't like Apple.) Aug 17 02:09:48 michaelnovakjr__: I've used the 3G, and I've gotta admit, it's pretty smooth. Aug 17 02:10:41 :_ Aug 17 02:12:07 ? Aug 17 02:13:12 can iphone web apps use GPS ? Aug 17 02:13:20 or location Aug 17 02:13:41 I think so. Aug 17 02:14:02 i cant find any info on it Aug 17 02:16:15 developer.apple.com? Aug 17 02:16:25 nothing Aug 17 02:16:28 Hmm. Aug 17 02:16:33 Maybe they changed their minds? Aug 17 02:16:38 ideally i want an example Aug 17 02:16:41 must be using some JavaScript **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 17 02:59:57 2008